Cyclists hit back over "shaming" Facebook page

The Argus: Cyclists hit back over "shaming" Facebook page Cyclists hit back over "shaming" Facebook page

A cyclist ‘shaming’ web page showing people riding on pavements has kick-started a lively debate about dangerous roads.

‘Shame on Cyclists’, recently set up by a Worthing resident on Twitter and Facebook, wants to put a stop to the “irresponsible, inexcusable and brainless” behaviour of riding on pavements.

But it has prompted a strong reaction from cyclists who said dangerous roads, a lack of cycle paths and aggressive drivers were forcing some onto the pavements.

Pauline Greenfield said on the Facebook page: “This really irritates me as where can cyclists feel safe in Worthing except for on the pavement?

“I was cycling on the road in Worthing then got hit from behind by a careless driver. It’s now ten years later and I have had seven leg operations and I am now permanently disabled, all because of a driver not showing consideration to me. I know all too well how dangerous our roads are and would never go in the road again as I'm still terrified.”

Rebecca Frew said: “I cycle on the pavement as I have a four-year-old in a seat on the back.

“I’m not travelling at 30mph so I don’t see the problem; far safer than being on the roads.

“I haven't knocked anyone over or had any complaints. If cyclists show consideration to pedestrians and vice versa then there is no problem.”

Toby Wilson added: “The berks who wander along in the cycle lane on the seafront infuriate me, lack of consideration cuts both ways.”

But Paul Gordon said: “Cyclists in Worthing are a bloody pest. As a pedestrian, I'm often shouted at to move... and I’m on the pavement.

“When I was a kid, the coppers would clip you around the ear.”

Fixed penalty notices can be issued to cyclists riding on a footway. But Home Office guidance says fines should only be issued when a cyclist is endangering others.

The creator of the page, a council worker who declined to give his name, said: “It’s just not on having some yob speed past you on the pavement. It’s lazy.

“The name is ‘shame on cyclists’ but it’s not supposed to be vilifying all cyclists.

“We’re talking about people who don’t have lights or safety gear with no regard for pedestrians.”

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6:25am Wed 15 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Yet another slacktivist media offering designed to make everyday folk feel angry for no reason. If he wants to put a stop to people riding bikes on the pavement, then there should be more pro-active ways to tackle the problem. Creating a Facebook page and expecting it to make any kind of difference (apart from making people angry) is a bit stupid.
Yet another slacktivist media offering designed to make everyday folk feel angry for no reason. If he wants to put a stop to people riding bikes on the pavement, then there should be more pro-active ways to tackle the problem. Creating a Facebook page and expecting it to make any kind of difference (apart from making people angry) is a bit stupid. Gribbet

6:42am Wed 15 Jan 14

twonk says...

If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple. twonk

6:55am Wed 15 Jan 14

Boloney-marshal says...

Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements.
Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?
Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements. Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it? Boloney-marshal

7:49am Wed 15 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

If worthing got cycle lanes these same people would be the ones complaining loudest about it, the fact is they just don't like cycling mainly because they don't do it. You should not cycle on pavements but I think the home office guidance has it about right, fines should only be issued when others are endangered. Also note the pavements in the 2 photos are empty.
If worthing got cycle lanes these same people would be the ones complaining loudest about it, the fact is they just don't like cycling mainly because they don't do it. You should not cycle on pavements but I think the home office guidance has it about right, fines should only be issued when others are endangered. Also note the pavements in the 2 photos are empty. gheese77

8:13am Wed 15 Jan 14

Brightonlad86 says...

I can't see a huge problem with riding bikes on the pavement if the adjust their riding to the conditions, slowing down if built up etc).

All this BS of cyclists thinking the roads are dangerous, may be SOME need to look at themselves... Only yesterday I was behind a cyclist weaving all over the road comin out of Bevendean. In most parts of that road it is usually safe to pass. On this occasion however, I had to stay behind him at less then 10mph. Then, getting to Lewes Road I eventually got passed him but got stopped at a red light just before the old barracks. Mr cyclist however ignored this red light and as a result, had a very close shave with a crossing pedestrian. Did he stop and check the poor lady was ok?? Of course not!!!

Yes, there are some very dangerous drivers, but there are also cyclists who have no concern for the safety of others. For those that don't care for safety of others, why should I, or anybody else, care about yours?
I can't see a huge problem with riding bikes on the pavement if the adjust their riding to the conditions, slowing down if built up etc). All this BS of cyclists thinking the roads are dangerous, may be SOME need to look at themselves... Only yesterday I was behind a cyclist weaving all over the road comin out of Bevendean. In most parts of that road it is usually safe to pass. On this occasion however, I had to stay behind him at less then 10mph. Then, getting to Lewes Road I eventually got passed him but got stopped at a red light just before the old barracks. Mr cyclist however ignored this red light and as a result, had a very close shave with a crossing pedestrian. Did he stop and check the poor lady was ok?? Of course not!!! Yes, there are some very dangerous drivers, but there are also cyclists who have no concern for the safety of others. For those that don't care for safety of others, why should I, or anybody else, care about yours? Brightonlad86

8:15am Wed 15 Jan 14

LB says...

"We’re talking about people who don’t have lights or safety gear"

Can we expect a similar campaign vilifying pedestrians without lights and safety gear who venture out onto the road in order to reach the other side?

Riding a bicycle in daylight shouldn't require people to wear 'lights and safety gear' - it's not an extreme sport, just a way of getting about.
"We’re talking about people who don’t have lights or safety gear" Can we expect a similar campaign vilifying pedestrians without lights and safety gear who venture out onto the road in order to reach the other side? Riding a bicycle in daylight shouldn't require people to wear 'lights and safety gear' - it's not an extreme sport, just a way of getting about. LB

8:21am Wed 15 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

Boloney-marshal wrote:
Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements.
Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?
Another self-righteous cyclist wittering on mindlessly. Yawn. These people are breaking the law and if the least they get is a non-face photograph for an internet 'shaming' then they should count themselves **** lucky. It is a CRIME to do so (see Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835.)
[quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements. Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?[/p][/quote]Another self-righteous cyclist wittering on mindlessly. Yawn. These people are breaking the law and if the least they get is a non-face photograph for an internet 'shaming' then they should count themselves **** lucky. It is a CRIME to do so (see Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835.) JerryOnly

8:27am Wed 15 Jan 14

Made In Sussex says...

Gribbet wrote:
Yet another slacktivist media offering designed to make everyday folk feel angry for no reason. If he wants to put a stop to people riding bikes on the pavement, then there should be more pro-active ways to tackle the problem. Creating a Facebook page and expecting it to make any kind of difference (apart from making people angry) is a bit stupid.
Bringing to peoples attention that other people are breaking the law, yes thats such a bad idea isnt it!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Yet another slacktivist media offering designed to make everyday folk feel angry for no reason. If he wants to put a stop to people riding bikes on the pavement, then there should be more pro-active ways to tackle the problem. Creating a Facebook page and expecting it to make any kind of difference (apart from making people angry) is a bit stupid.[/p][/quote]Bringing to peoples attention that other people are breaking the law, yes thats such a bad idea isnt it! Made In Sussex

8:38am Wed 15 Jan 14

CitizenJohnJohn says...

When fixed penalty notices for pavement cycling were introduced in 1999, Paul Baoteng issued the following guidance:

“The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.”

Transport minister Robert Goodwill yesterday reinforced this advice. He said: "I agree that the police should be using discretion in enforcing this law and would support Paul Boateng’s original guidance."
When fixed penalty notices for pavement cycling were introduced in 1999, Paul Baoteng issued the following guidance: “The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.” Transport minister Robert Goodwill yesterday reinforced this advice. He said: "I agree that the police should be using discretion in enforcing this law and would support Paul Boateng’s original guidance." CitizenJohnJohn

8:45am Wed 15 Jan 14

RottingdeanRant says...

Around here even the PCSOs cycle on the pavement! Personally, I see no excuse for riding on the pavement and i do cycle regularly. Loved the statement - '“I haven't knocked anyone over or had any complaints. If cyclists show consideration to pedestrians and vice versa then there is no problem.” As long as you don’t knock anyone over then it OK!? Even if we were to accept cyclist on the pavement it should only be the cyclist that show consideration for the pedestrian as it is a pavement for pedestrians so definitely not ‘vice versa’!
Around here even the PCSOs cycle on the pavement! Personally, I see no excuse for riding on the pavement and i do cycle regularly. Loved the statement - '“I haven't knocked anyone over or had any complaints. If cyclists show consideration to pedestrians and vice versa then there is no problem.” As long as you don’t knock anyone over then it OK!? Even if we were to accept cyclist on the pavement it should only be the cyclist that show consideration for the pedestrian as it is a pavement for pedestrians so definitely not ‘vice versa’! RottingdeanRant

8:55am Wed 15 Jan 14

Carlas mum says...

There is a cycle lane on the coast road between Lancing and Worthing, so what do some cyclists do, the cycle on the pavement on the other side of the road.
There is a cycle lane on the coast road between Lancing and Worthing, so what do some cyclists do, the cycle on the pavement on the other side of the road. Carlas mum

8:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

A bicycle is a road vehicle, not a pavement one.

It really is that simple, though clearly not for some.
A bicycle is a road vehicle, not a pavement one. It really is that simple, though clearly not for some. Crystal Ball

9:15am Wed 15 Jan 14

RobO. says...

How rare for the Argus to stoke up divisions between cyclists and other road users. It never does that.

Oh, hang on...

This isn't an article based to hard statistics, it's one about a facebook group based on anecdotal evidence. What's the truth of the situation Argus? How many people on pavements are hit by cyclists? And how does that figure compare with how many people are hit by cars? Will you ever report the news properly, or does that not fit your agenda?
How rare for the Argus to stoke up divisions between cyclists and other road users. It never does that. Oh, hang on... This isn't an article based to hard statistics, it's one about a facebook group based on anecdotal evidence. What's the truth of the situation Argus? How many people on pavements are hit by cyclists? And how does that figure compare with how many people are hit by cars? Will you ever report the news properly, or does that not fit your agenda? RobO.

9:20am Wed 15 Jan 14

andyfm says...

Why ride a bike in the first place?????
Surely walking anywhere is more healthy!!!!!
Why ride a bike in the first place????? Surely walking anywhere is more healthy!!!!! andyfm

9:31am Wed 15 Jan 14

Dizzy! says...

I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas
I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way
But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it.
One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic?
Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads!
At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking.
I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result!
I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it. One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic? Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads! At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking. I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result! Dizzy!

9:38am Wed 15 Jan 14

qm says...

If someone set up a Facebook page shaming appalling motorists, there wouldn't be enough storage space on all the servers in the world to support it!
I make that statement on the basis as a motorist, a pedestrian and occasionally a cyclist!
Personally I don't have an issue with cyclists who are respectful and careful, particularly small children accompanied by mum or dad, however there are a few who treat the pavement as a race track for whom a baseball ball would seem to be an appropriate persuader to moderate their behaviour!
It's the few cyclists who have an adverse affect on the blood pressure in much the same way as it's just a few motorists who seem to think the road is just there for them! It's bad behaviour that needs to be addressed, not the adherence to polarised bigotry!
Try, as a pedestrian, crossing the junction of Sackville Road and Old Shoreham Road against the tide of motorists (and buses) red-lighting the right-turn priority to get some balance as to where the life threatening dangers really lie!
If someone set up a Facebook page shaming appalling motorists, there wouldn't be enough storage space on all the servers in the world to support it! I make that statement on the basis as a motorist, a pedestrian and occasionally a cyclist! Personally I don't have an issue with cyclists who are respectful and careful, particularly small children accompanied by mum or dad, however there are a few who treat the pavement as a race track for whom a baseball ball would seem to be an appropriate persuader to moderate their behaviour! It's the few cyclists who have an adverse affect on the blood pressure in much the same way as it's just a few motorists who seem to think the road is just there for them! It's bad behaviour that needs to be addressed, not the adherence to polarised bigotry! Try, as a pedestrian, crossing the junction of Sackville Road and Old Shoreham Road against the tide of motorists (and buses) red-lighting the right-turn priority to get some balance as to where the life threatening dangers really lie! qm

9:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
I can't see a huge problem with riding bikes on the pavement if the adjust their riding to the conditions, slowing down if built up etc).

All this BS of cyclists thinking the roads are dangerous, may be SOME need to look at themselves... Only yesterday I was behind a cyclist weaving all over the road comin out of Bevendean. In most parts of that road it is usually safe to pass. On this occasion however, I had to stay behind him at less then 10mph. Then, getting to Lewes Road I eventually got passed him but got stopped at a red light just before the old barracks. Mr cyclist however ignored this red light and as a result, had a very close shave with a crossing pedestrian. Did he stop and check the poor lady was ok?? Of course not!!!

Yes, there are some very dangerous drivers, but there are also cyclists who have no concern for the safety of others. For those that don't care for safety of others, why should I, or anybody else, care about yours?
Some people are unable to see a problem without offering a solution that would create another problem. Pavements are for pedestrians. Leave us alone. Solve the cycling issue another way.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: I can't see a huge problem with riding bikes on the pavement if the adjust their riding to the conditions, slowing down if built up etc). All this BS of cyclists thinking the roads are dangerous, may be SOME need to look at themselves... Only yesterday I was behind a cyclist weaving all over the road comin out of Bevendean. In most parts of that road it is usually safe to pass. On this occasion however, I had to stay behind him at less then 10mph. Then, getting to Lewes Road I eventually got passed him but got stopped at a red light just before the old barracks. Mr cyclist however ignored this red light and as a result, had a very close shave with a crossing pedestrian. Did he stop and check the poor lady was ok?? Of course not!!! Yes, there are some very dangerous drivers, but there are also cyclists who have no concern for the safety of others. For those that don't care for safety of others, why should I, or anybody else, care about yours?[/p][/quote]Some people are unable to see a problem without offering a solution that would create another problem. Pavements are for pedestrians. Leave us alone. Solve the cycling issue another way. Zorniza

10:04am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

CitizenJohnJohn wrote:
When fixed penalty notices for pavement cycling were introduced in 1999, Paul Baoteng issued the following guidance:

“The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.”

Transport minister Robert Goodwill yesterday reinforced this advice. He said: "I agree that the police should be using discretion in enforcing this law and would support Paul Boateng’s original guidance."
This is wrong. Cyclists can use the pavement AS A PEDESTRIAN
I am sorry the law people are as muddled as many here
[quote][p][bold]CitizenJohnJohn[/bold] wrote: When fixed penalty notices for pavement cycling were introduced in 1999, Paul Baoteng issued the following guidance: “The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.” Transport minister Robert Goodwill yesterday reinforced this advice. He said: "I agree that the police should be using discretion in enforcing this law and would support Paul Boateng’s original guidance."[/p][/quote]This is wrong. Cyclists can use the pavement AS A PEDESTRIAN I am sorry the law people are as muddled as many here Zorniza

10:10am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

Dizzy! wrote:
I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas
I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way
But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it.
One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic?
Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads!
At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking.
I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result!
"blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians,"

in these cases the codes says pedestrians have a right of way - I walk a lot but have not seen a cyclist give way.

BTW on the continent people are much, much less aggressive you will never reach this standard here..
[quote][p][bold]Dizzy![/bold] wrote: I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it. One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic? Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads! At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking. I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result![/p][/quote]"blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians," in these cases the codes says pedestrians have a right of way - I walk a lot but have not seen a cyclist give way. BTW on the continent people are much, much less aggressive you will never reach this standard here.. Zorniza

10:14am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

qm wrote:
If someone set up a Facebook page shaming appalling motorists, there wouldn't be enough storage space on all the servers in the world to support it!
I make that statement on the basis as a motorist, a pedestrian and occasionally a cyclist!
Personally I don't have an issue with cyclists who are respectful and careful, particularly small children accompanied by mum or dad, however there are a few who treat the pavement as a race track for whom a baseball ball would seem to be an appropriate persuader to moderate their behaviour!
It's the few cyclists who have an adverse affect on the blood pressure in much the same way as it's just a few motorists who seem to think the road is just there for them! It's bad behaviour that needs to be addressed, not the adherence to polarised bigotry!
Try, as a pedestrian, crossing the junction of Sackville Road and Old Shoreham Road against the tide of motorists (and buses) red-lighting the right-turn priority to get some balance as to where the life threatening dangers really lie!
"If someone set up a Facebook page shaming appalling motorists"

Why change the subject - this is not about motorists. It is about cyclists not being able to negote a complex traffic situation where motorists and pedestrians exists as well as cyclists.

You cannot punish the other groups just because you cannot get your way. It is sooooo IMMATURE so grow up and start acting responsibly.
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: If someone set up a Facebook page shaming appalling motorists, there wouldn't be enough storage space on all the servers in the world to support it! I make that statement on the basis as a motorist, a pedestrian and occasionally a cyclist! Personally I don't have an issue with cyclists who are respectful and careful, particularly small children accompanied by mum or dad, however there are a few who treat the pavement as a race track for whom a baseball ball would seem to be an appropriate persuader to moderate their behaviour! It's the few cyclists who have an adverse affect on the blood pressure in much the same way as it's just a few motorists who seem to think the road is just there for them! It's bad behaviour that needs to be addressed, not the adherence to polarised bigotry! Try, as a pedestrian, crossing the junction of Sackville Road and Old Shoreham Road against the tide of motorists (and buses) red-lighting the right-turn priority to get some balance as to where the life threatening dangers really lie![/p][/quote]"If someone set up a Facebook page shaming appalling motorists" Why change the subject - this is not about motorists. It is about cyclists not being able to negote a complex traffic situation where motorists and pedestrians exists as well as cyclists. You cannot punish the other groups just because you cannot get your way. It is sooooo IMMATURE so grow up and start acting responsibly. Zorniza

10:31am Wed 15 Jan 14

Mushymat says...

Those who say if cyclists feel the roads are not safe walk miss the point of the road.

The road is public, and the road is for everyone, and everyone should expect safe passage to use it.

If we are working on a principle of those more vulnerable should put up or shut up you really are missing the point.

That attitude will lead to a race to the bottom (a more unhealthy nation, with more congestion). I think anyone who believe the roads are Darwinian probably does not have the right attitude to use them.


As for those saying "roads are not dangerous" - depends on your perception. As a cyclist i have very good health, and will outlive those who don't exorcise regularly. The opposite end of this argument is im about 3x more likely to be killed in a crash than a car driver.

To those who complain about the "inconsiderate cyclists on pavements" - have some empathy and apply that complaint to cyclists being closely passed by cars.

And finally...To those who say "but all cyclists are like this, or I say one shout at someone the other day/jump a light etc". Do you really believe that all cyclists are collectively responsible for the actions of others. Why not apply that thinking to motorists? Because I can come up with that time my mum was knocked down by a driver, or that time I saw a guy get angry with an old guy crossing the road, or that time I see a speeding driver,. But I unlike some appreciate that actions of some do not represent that actions of all.
Those who say if cyclists feel the roads are not safe walk miss the point of the road. The road is public, and the road is for everyone, and everyone should expect safe passage to use it. If we are working on a principle of those more vulnerable should put up or shut up you really are missing the point. That attitude will lead to a race to the bottom (a more unhealthy nation, with more congestion). I think anyone who believe the roads are Darwinian probably does not have the right attitude to use them. As for those saying "roads are not dangerous" - depends on your perception. As a cyclist i have very good health, and will outlive those who don't exorcise regularly. The opposite end of this argument is im about 3x more likely to be killed in a crash than a car driver. To those who complain about the "inconsiderate cyclists on pavements" - have some empathy and apply that complaint to cyclists being closely passed by cars. And finally...To those who say "but all cyclists are like this, or I say one shout at someone the other day/jump a light etc". Do you really believe that all cyclists are collectively responsible for the actions of others. Why not apply that thinking to motorists? Because I can come up with that time my mum was knocked down by a driver, or that time I saw a guy get angry with an old guy crossing the road, or that time I see a speeding driver,. But I unlike some appreciate that actions of some do not represent that actions of all. Mushymat

10:43am Wed 15 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Made In Sussex wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
Yet another slacktivist media offering designed to make everyday folk feel angry for no reason. If he wants to put a stop to people riding bikes on the pavement, then there should be more pro-active ways to tackle the problem. Creating a Facebook page and expecting it to make any kind of difference (apart from making people angry) is a bit stupid.
Bringing to peoples attention that other people are breaking the law, yes thats such a bad idea isnt it!
Yes, it's completely pointless and solves nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Made In Sussex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Yet another slacktivist media offering designed to make everyday folk feel angry for no reason. If he wants to put a stop to people riding bikes on the pavement, then there should be more pro-active ways to tackle the problem. Creating a Facebook page and expecting it to make any kind of difference (apart from making people angry) is a bit stupid.[/p][/quote]Bringing to peoples attention that other people are breaking the law, yes thats such a bad idea isnt it![/p][/quote]Yes, it's completely pointless and solves nothing. Gribbet

10:52am Wed 15 Jan 14

Zorniza says...

"Those who say if cyclists feel the roads are not safe walk miss the point of the road.

The road is public, and the road is for everyone, and everyone should expect safe passage to use it."

Just to clarify: cyclist who do not feel safe on the road should walk on the pavement, not cycle on the pavement. This way they can protect themselves from cars.

We all would like to get places faster but have to slow down according to conditions around us. Cyclists should expect to progress according to the prevailing conditions and NOT at the speed they dream of.

Plese do not advocate cyclinc on the pavement where cyclists pass 'within an inch' of pedestrians - how is this an improvment to driving 'within an inch of cyclists'?
"Those who say if cyclists feel the roads are not safe walk miss the point of the road. The road is public, and the road is for everyone, and everyone should expect safe passage to use it." Just to clarify: cyclist who do not feel safe on the road should walk on the pavement, not cycle on the pavement. This way they can protect themselves from cars. We all would like to get places faster but have to slow down according to conditions around us. Cyclists should expect to progress according to the prevailing conditions and NOT at the speed they dream of. Plese do not advocate cyclinc on the pavement where cyclists pass 'within an inch' of pedestrians - how is this an improvment to driving 'within an inch of cyclists'? Zorniza

12:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

deve says...

.We should also add pictures of dumb places to chain bikes up. Twice somebody has chained their bike up to against my house so their bike was against my garage doors. I could not open garage door or get car in or out. Also saw a bike chained across somebodies front door so residents couldn’t get out of house. Around North Laine bikes often chained to street signs on corners so bike sticks out onto pavement meaning pedestrians have to walk into road. This is so cyclists can park bike as near as possible to where they need to go even if space not suitable, similar to car drivers trying to park in unsuitable places such as disabled spaces, spaces for cars with children, or illegally to reduce how far they need to walk! Until there is a proper road system suiting cars and bikes with sufficient suitable parking spaces for cars and bikes (never!) the situation will always exist due to people stubbiness, laziness and arrogance
.We should also add pictures of dumb places to chain bikes up. Twice somebody has chained their bike up to against my house so their bike was against my garage doors. I could not open garage door or get car in or out. Also saw a bike chained across somebodies front door so residents couldn’t get out of house. Around North Laine bikes often chained to street signs on corners so bike sticks out onto pavement meaning pedestrians have to walk into road. This is so cyclists can park bike as near as possible to where they need to go even if space not suitable, similar to car drivers trying to park in unsuitable places such as disabled spaces, spaces for cars with children, or illegally to reduce how far they need to walk! Until there is a proper road system suiting cars and bikes with sufficient suitable parking spaces for cars and bikes (never!) the situation will always exist due to people stubbiness, laziness and arrogance deve

12:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Joshiman says...

You need a photo of a cyclist riding on a pavement situated next to an empty cycle lane.Quite common occurance in Brighton and Hove.
You need a photo of a cyclist riding on a pavement situated next to an empty cycle lane.Quite common occurance in Brighton and Hove. Joshiman

12:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

graham_Seagull says...

meanwhile other stories on the argus today;

- Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off
- 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving.

Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive.

The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.
meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable. graham_Seagull

12:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

graham_Seagull says...

Carlas mum wrote:
There is a cycle lane on the coast road between Lancing and Worthing, so what do some cyclists do, the cycle on the pavement on the other side of the road.
have you considered that some of those cycling jouneys will be short and will always involve having to go back inland? so crossing over a very busy road to use the lane THEN having to cross back over again shortly afterwards isnt the best of ideas.
[quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: There is a cycle lane on the coast road between Lancing and Worthing, so what do some cyclists do, the cycle on the pavement on the other side of the road.[/p][/quote]have you considered that some of those cycling jouneys will be short and will always involve having to go back inland? so crossing over a very busy road to use the lane THEN having to cross back over again shortly afterwards isnt the best of ideas. graham_Seagull

12:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Mushymat says...

Zorniza wrote:
"Those who say if cyclists feel the roads are not safe walk miss the point of the road.

The road is public, and the road is for everyone, and everyone should expect safe passage to use it."

Just to clarify: cyclist who do not feel safe on the road should walk on the pavement, not cycle on the pavement. This way they can protect themselves from cars.

We all would like to get places faster but have to slow down according to conditions around us. Cyclists should expect to progress according to the prevailing conditions and NOT at the speed they dream of.

Plese do not advocate cyclinc on the pavement where cyclists pass 'within an inch' of pedestrians - how is this an improvment to driving 'within an inch of cyclists'?
While I totally agree with you the basis of my argument still stands.

I don't use the path because I'm a confident cyclist, that said I couldn't say the same for my wife or my son. And the danger posed to them by cars is much greater than the danger they pose to pedestrians on the path.

Its a unfortunate extension of bad driving. I don't like it, and I don't do it, but I totally understand it.


This might interest you...
http://road.cc/conte
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"Plese do not advocate cyclinc on the pavement where cyclists pass 'within an inch' of pedestrians - how is this an improvement to driving 'within an inch of cyclists'?"

Im not advocating it - two wrongs do not make a right. My point is one of empathy.

I don't think cyclist want to cycle on the path. But if one road forces them to either walk or cycle on the pavement something is very wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Zorniza[/bold] wrote: "Those who say if cyclists feel the roads are not safe walk miss the point of the road. The road is public, and the road is for everyone, and everyone should expect safe passage to use it." Just to clarify: cyclist who do not feel safe on the road should walk on the pavement, not cycle on the pavement. This way they can protect themselves from cars. We all would like to get places faster but have to slow down according to conditions around us. Cyclists should expect to progress according to the prevailing conditions and NOT at the speed they dream of. Plese do not advocate cyclinc on the pavement where cyclists pass 'within an inch' of pedestrians - how is this an improvment to driving 'within an inch of cyclists'?[/p][/quote]While I totally agree with you the basis of my argument still stands. I don't use the path because I'm a confident cyclist, that said I couldn't say the same for my wife or my son. And the danger posed to them by cars is much greater than the danger they pose to pedestrians on the path. Its a unfortunate extension of bad driving. I don't like it, and I don't do it, but I totally understand it. This might interest you... http://road.cc/conte nt/news/108119-trans port-minister-respon sible-cyclists-can-r ide-pavement "Plese do not advocate cyclinc on the pavement where cyclists pass 'within an inch' of pedestrians - how is this an improvement to driving 'within an inch of cyclists'?" Im not advocating it - two wrongs do not make a right. My point is one of empathy. I don't think cyclist want to cycle on the path. But if one road forces them to either walk or cycle on the pavement something is very wrong. Mushymat

12:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Mushymat says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
meanwhile other stories on the argus today;

- Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off
- 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving.

Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive.

The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.
if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally.

To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic.

Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up.

Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!)

A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.[/p][/quote]if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally. To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic. Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up. Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!) A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph. Mushymat

12:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

graham_Seagull says...

Joshiman wrote:
You need a photo of a cyclist riding on a pavement situated next to an empty cycle lane.Quite common occurance in Brighton and Hove.
ZZZZZZZZ....zzzzzzz.
ZZZZZZZ.

Same old same old.
people cycle, people ride bikes. poelpe walk. people need to travel.

most people who travel do so at peak hours, so 8-9am and 4-6pm.

if you bothered to check the cycle lanes during those peak hours then you'll see they are regularly used.
You may also have noticed that some roads are barely used outside of peak travel hours but clearly that doesnt suit your agenda.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: You need a photo of a cyclist riding on a pavement situated next to an empty cycle lane.Quite common occurance in Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]ZZZZZZZZ....zzzzzzz. ZZZZZZZ. Same old same old. people cycle, people ride bikes. poelpe walk. people need to travel. most people who travel do so at peak hours, so 8-9am and 4-6pm. if you bothered to check the cycle lanes during those peak hours then you'll see they are regularly used. You may also have noticed that some roads are barely used outside of peak travel hours but clearly that doesnt suit your agenda. graham_Seagull

12:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

graham_Seagull says...

Mushymat wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote: meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.
if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally. To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic. Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up. Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!) A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.
thanks for that.

Also worth noting that according to dept of health stats in the region of 20,000 people due prematurely in the UK due to the effects of traffic pollution (yes that's my car contributing to that as well, I'm not proud of that).

strangley we won't see the rabid posters in this thread even bother mentioning their cars contribute to killing 20,000 people each year, as observing cycling causes extreme myopia, assuming of they havent gone blind from other activities of course.
[quote][p][bold]Mushymat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.[/p][/quote]if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally. To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic. Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up. Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!) A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.[/p][/quote]thanks for that. Also worth noting that according to dept of health stats in the region of 20,000 people due prematurely in the UK due to the effects of traffic pollution (yes that's my car contributing to that as well, I'm not proud of that). strangley we won't see the rabid posters in this thread even bother mentioning their cars contribute to killing 20,000 people each year, as observing cycling causes extreme myopia, assuming of they havent gone blind from other activities of course. graham_Seagull

12:50pm Wed 15 Jan 14

easyrider says...

Good for the Facebook founder !!

Brighton and Hove City Council bow down and kiss the backsides of cyclists and will not hear a word said against the blighters. I know. I have reported obscene behaviour from the nasty minority of those on two wheels with absolutely no response from the Green-obsessed dunderheads that run the City.

Fixed penalty notices would be fine if there were still policemen on the City roads. But there aren't. None. Not one!

A start could be made to civilise the 'nasty minority' by making it illegal to sell a new bike without a FIXED front and rear light. So many cyclists simply don't bother about lights, knowing that "it's not their fault" if an accident occurs.

Meantime, cyclists: GET OFF OUR PAVEMENTS!!
Good for the Facebook founder !! Brighton and Hove City Council bow down and kiss the backsides of cyclists and will not hear a word said against the blighters. I know. I have reported obscene behaviour from the nasty minority of those on two wheels with absolutely no response from the Green-obsessed dunderheads that run the City. Fixed penalty notices would be fine if there were still policemen on the City roads. But there aren't. None. Not one! A start could be made to civilise the 'nasty minority' by making it illegal to sell a new bike without a FIXED front and rear light. So many cyclists simply don't bother about lights, knowing that "it's not their fault" if an accident occurs. Meantime, cyclists: GET OFF OUR PAVEMENTS!! easyrider

1:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

shining star says...

Unfortunately it's the rude thoughtless bad cyclist that gives a bad name to ALL cyclists. I am a pedestrian and encounter a lot of good and bad cyclists. I have been sworn at/given a finger salute by angry cyclists when using a pedestrian crossing when light is red to traffic, all because I dared mutter or tutt that they shouldn't be going through a red light. Equally, I have seen responsible cyclists observing the red light. Cycling on pavements apart from a proper cycle lane shouldn't be allowed. Can't have your cake and eat it springs to mind.Its dangerous to pedestrians and small children who run or walk freely from their adults. I think all road users should have to display some kind of number plates that way, like cars, we pedestrians can report bad dangerous cyclists. That way perhaps other responsible cyclists wouldn't get tarred with the same brush.
Unfortunately it's the rude thoughtless bad cyclist that gives a bad name to ALL cyclists. I am a pedestrian and encounter a lot of good and bad cyclists. I have been sworn at/given a finger salute by angry cyclists when using a pedestrian crossing when light is red to traffic, all because I dared mutter or tutt that they shouldn't be going through a red light. Equally, I have seen responsible cyclists observing the red light. Cycling on pavements apart from a proper cycle lane shouldn't be allowed. Can't have your cake and eat it springs to mind.Its dangerous to pedestrians and small children who run or walk freely from their adults. I think all road users should have to display some kind of number plates that way, like cars, we pedestrians can report bad dangerous cyclists. That way perhaps other responsible cyclists wouldn't get tarred with the same brush. shining star

1:06pm Wed 15 Jan 14

plasser says...

This is a "news" article about a facebook page which has one "like". Do you realise how tragic that is? This just makes the Argus look bad.
This is a "news" article about a facebook page which has one "like". Do you realise how tragic that is? This just makes the Argus look bad. plasser

1:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

graham_Seagull says...

easyrider wrote:
Good for the Facebook founder !! Brighton and Hove City Council bow down and kiss the backsides of cyclists and will not hear a word said against the blighters. I know. I have reported obscene behaviour from the nasty minority of those on two wheels with absolutely no response from the Green-obsessed dunderheads that run the City. Fixed penalty notices would be fine if there were still policemen on the City roads. But there aren't. None. Not one! A start could be made to civilise the 'nasty minority' by making it illegal to sell a new bike without a FIXED front and rear light. So many cyclists simply don't bother about lights, knowing that "it's not their fault" if an accident occurs. Meantime, cyclists: GET OFF OUR PAVEMENTS!!
have you reported the nasty signifcant minority of drivers who run red lights and drive well over the limit, or do you have trouble in seeing that cyclists cause vastly fewer death and injuries than vehicle drivers?

I dont condone cyclists on pavements, but a balanced perspective on the risks would be good.
[quote][p][bold]easyrider[/bold] wrote: Good for the Facebook founder !! Brighton and Hove City Council bow down and kiss the backsides of cyclists and will not hear a word said against the blighters. I know. I have reported obscene behaviour from the nasty minority of those on two wheels with absolutely no response from the Green-obsessed dunderheads that run the City. Fixed penalty notices would be fine if there were still policemen on the City roads. But there aren't. None. Not one! A start could be made to civilise the 'nasty minority' by making it illegal to sell a new bike without a FIXED front and rear light. So many cyclists simply don't bother about lights, knowing that "it's not their fault" if an accident occurs. Meantime, cyclists: GET OFF OUR PAVEMENTS!![/p][/quote]have you reported the nasty signifcant minority of drivers who run red lights and drive well over the limit, or do you have trouble in seeing that cyclists cause vastly fewer death and injuries than vehicle drivers? I dont condone cyclists on pavements, but a balanced perspective on the risks would be good. graham_Seagull

1:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Dizzy! says...

Carlas mum wrote:
There is a cycle lane on the coast road between Lancing and Worthing, so what do some cyclists do, the cycle on the pavement on the other side of the road.
I don't cyclle on pavements, but have been asked lots of times, why do I cycle on the road along this stretch when there is a perfectly good cycle path on the opposite side of the road.
The answer to your question i'm pretty certain is the same as why I cycle on the road there.
I cycle down Western rd - No cycle path, to go to Worthing I will sit at the lights, wait several minutes, often in very bad weather, getting cold & wet. I then join the cycle path & ride happily into town.
But on the way back, often I end up leaving Worthing from the northern end of town, so cycle along Ham & Brougham Rds, coming out just before the BP garage, there is no crossing there, only a small island in the middle, to get onto the cycle path I would have to stand for, what in busy rush hour could be quite a while till I can get to the other side. I would then cycle less then 1/4 mile to have to stand at traffic lights, wait to cross 2 lanes, then wait again in the middle to cross 2 lanes, then wait again to get to the left side of Western rd This can take 10 minutes - Yes this has been timed as I record my rides on a Garmin GPS device. Again the weather may be pretty crap, it's usually always windy along there.
So If you're a cyclist coming out of Western rd & want to turn into Brougham Rd what would you do, especially in bad weather? Would you go through the whole procedure I have just listed, or would you cycle along a very wide stretch of pavement, that in all honesty does not get a lot of pedestrians on it.
As mentioned I don't cycle on pavements, But faced with the choice of a very short ride along one, or mucking round waiting to cross busy roads, only to have to cross back over them a few minutes later, I would - If it was safer, clear of pedestrians, and if one happened to come along then I would yield to them.
[quote][p][bold]Carlas mum[/bold] wrote: There is a cycle lane on the coast road between Lancing and Worthing, so what do some cyclists do, the cycle on the pavement on the other side of the road.[/p][/quote]I don't cyclle on pavements, but have been asked lots of times, why do I cycle on the road along this stretch when there is a perfectly good cycle path on the opposite side of the road. The answer to your question i'm pretty certain is the same as why I cycle on the road there. I cycle down Western rd - No cycle path, to go to Worthing I will sit at the lights, wait several minutes, often in very bad weather, getting cold & wet. I then join the cycle path & ride happily into town. But on the way back, often I end up leaving Worthing from the northern end of town, so cycle along Ham & Brougham Rds, coming out just before the BP garage, there is no crossing there, only a small island in the middle, to get onto the cycle path I would have to stand for, what in busy rush hour could be quite a while till I can get to the other side. I would then cycle less then 1/4 mile to have to stand at traffic lights, wait to cross 2 lanes, then wait again in the middle to cross 2 lanes, then wait again to get to the left side of Western rd This can take 10 minutes - Yes this has been timed as I record my rides on a Garmin GPS device. Again the weather may be pretty crap, it's usually always windy along there. So If you're a cyclist coming out of Western rd & want to turn into Brougham Rd what would you do, especially in bad weather? Would you go through the whole procedure I have just listed, or would you cycle along a very wide stretch of pavement, that in all honesty does not get a lot of pedestrians on it. As mentioned I don't cycle on pavements, But faced with the choice of a very short ride along one, or mucking round waiting to cross busy roads, only to have to cross back over them a few minutes later, I would - If it was safer, clear of pedestrians, and if one happened to come along then I would yield to them. Dizzy!

1:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Excellent news, This has made my day, about time the selfish self righteous cyclists were shown for the ignorant accident causing morons they are
Excellent news, This has made my day, about time the selfish self righteous cyclists were shown for the ignorant accident causing morons they are Brighton1000

1:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

graham_Seagull says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
Excellent news, This has made my day, about time the selfish self righteous cyclists were shown for the ignorant accident causing morons they are
all of them are selfish morons are they?
does that mean all drivers are selfish morons when I see one go through a red light.

please help me understand what happens in your head.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, This has made my day, about time the selfish self righteous cyclists were shown for the ignorant accident causing morons they are[/p][/quote]all of them are selfish morons are they? does that mean all drivers are selfish morons when I see one go through a red light. please help me understand what happens in your head. graham_Seagull

1:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
Excellent news, This has made my day, about time the selfish self righteous cyclists were shown for the ignorant accident causing morons they are
all of them are selfish morons are they?
does that mean all drivers are selfish morons when I see one go through a red light.

please help me understand what happens in your head.
Nope, all drivers are not selfish morons, Its just nice for some bad press about the bike brigade. Having to tolerate their blatant disregard for road safety daily, Its nice to have it highlighted.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: Excellent news, This has made my day, about time the selfish self righteous cyclists were shown for the ignorant accident causing morons they are[/p][/quote]all of them are selfish morons are they? does that mean all drivers are selfish morons when I see one go through a red light. please help me understand what happens in your head.[/p][/quote]Nope, all drivers are not selfish morons, Its just nice for some bad press about the bike brigade. Having to tolerate their blatant disregard for road safety daily, Its nice to have it highlighted. Brighton1000

2:34pm Wed 15 Jan 14

pebble counter says...

twonk wrote:
If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't. pebble counter

2:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

pebble counter wrote:
twonk wrote:
If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
There you go, You have just hit the nail on the head, Cyclists have a blatamt disregard for safety, and the law! And they have the attitude of 'Not my problem'. Thankyou for highlighting so perfectly why cyclists are such a problem.
[quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.[/p][/quote]There you go, You have just hit the nail on the head, Cyclists have a blatamt disregard for safety, and the law! And they have the attitude of 'Not my problem'. Thankyou for highlighting so perfectly why cyclists are such a problem. Brighton1000

2:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

easyrider says...

Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes".

Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ?

Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..
Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes". Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ? Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby.. easyrider

3:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Richada says...

Cyclists........moto
rists.........pedest
rians - we're all road users!

Being prejudiced agains one particular group of road users is as misguided as racial prejudice or homophobia.

Given any group of human beings there are always a minority of bad amongst the majority of good and indifferent and this applies to our roads and pavements just as much as to any other activity in life.

In terms of law enforcement, cameras are taking pictures of, fining and endorsing, motorists committing all sorts of rule / law breaking activity. Neither cyclists nor pedestrians should be exempt from being caught on camera and brought to book in the same way.

Obviously in the latter two cases this is far more difficult as neither group are licenced, making identification almost impossible. It is this "can't catch me" element that breeds so much prejudice against cyclists on the part of other road users.

We have all, at some time, suffered due to the actions of selfish or inconsiderate drivers, cyclists, and dare I say it, pedestrians. A selfish, bloody minded pedestrian just becomes increasingly more dangerous as he mounts his cycle or takes to the wheel of his car!
Cyclists........moto rists.........pedest rians - we're all road users! Being prejudiced agains one particular group of road users is as misguided as racial prejudice or homophobia. Given any group of human beings there are always a minority of bad amongst the majority of good and indifferent and this applies to our roads and pavements just as much as to any other activity in life. In terms of law enforcement, cameras are taking pictures of, fining and endorsing, motorists committing all sorts of rule / law breaking activity. Neither cyclists nor pedestrians should be exempt from being caught on camera and brought to book in the same way. Obviously in the latter two cases this is far more difficult as neither group are licenced, making identification almost impossible. It is this "can't catch me" element that breeds so much prejudice against cyclists on the part of other road users. We have all, at some time, suffered due to the actions of selfish or inconsiderate drivers, cyclists, and dare I say it, pedestrians. A selfish, bloody minded pedestrian just becomes increasingly more dangerous as he mounts his cycle or takes to the wheel of his car! Richada

3:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WHITEBALL says...

I live in Exeter, Devon, and here cyclists riding on the pavement are a daily pain. Every time I see one I have a go at them and have been repeatedly sworn at and several times threatened with physical violence. But I will not stop. As someone above wrote if they do not feel safe on the road they should walk or catch a bus, not reduce any risk to themselves by making pavements dangerous for pedestrians.
I live in Exeter, Devon, and here cyclists riding on the pavement are a daily pain. Every time I see one I have a go at them and have been repeatedly sworn at and several times threatened with physical violence. But I will not stop. As someone above wrote if they do not feel safe on the road they should walk or catch a bus, not reduce any risk to themselves by making pavements dangerous for pedestrians. WHITEBALL

3:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Fonant says...

"Unfortunately it's the rude thoughtless bad cyclist that gives a bad name to ALL cyclists."

No it doesn't! That is a completely illogical and unhelpful attitude.

Otherwise you'd have to say that rude thoughtless bad drivers give a bad name to ALL drivers, and that rude thoughtless bad bus passengers give a bad name to ALL bus passengers. We are not defined by our chosen mode of transport, and bad behaviour on the roads is by no means limited to cyclists.
"Unfortunately it's the rude thoughtless bad cyclist that gives a bad name to ALL cyclists." No it doesn't! That is a completely illogical and unhelpful attitude. Otherwise you'd have to say that rude thoughtless bad drivers give a bad name to ALL drivers, and that rude thoughtless bad bus passengers give a bad name to ALL bus passengers. We are not defined by our chosen mode of transport, and bad behaviour on the roads is by no means limited to cyclists. Fonant

3:53pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WHITEBALL says...

Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.
Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer. WHITEBALL

4:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

Zorniza wrote:
Dizzy! wrote:
I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas
I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way
But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it.
One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic?
Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads!
At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking.
I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result!
"blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians,"

in these cases the codes says pedestrians have a right of way - I walk a lot but have not seen a cyclist give way.

BTW on the continent people are much, much less aggressive you will never reach this standard here..
Some people need to get a sense of perspective. The outrage displayed on this thread is amazing. There is an article further up this site about a cyclist being involved in a hit & run. Not one of the professionally outraged brigade on here have commented, or displayed their disgust at the actions if this coward. But I suppose condemning law breaking motorists isn't really in vogue.
[quote][p][bold]Zorniza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dizzy![/bold] wrote: I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it. One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic? Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads! At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking. I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result![/p][/quote]"blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians," in these cases the codes says pedestrians have a right of way - I walk a lot but have not seen a cyclist give way. BTW on the continent people are much, much less aggressive you will never reach this standard here..[/p][/quote]Some people need to get a sense of perspective. The outrage displayed on this thread is amazing. There is an article further up this site about a cyclist being involved in a hit & run. Not one of the professionally outraged brigade on here have commented, or displayed their disgust at the actions if this coward. But I suppose condemning law breaking motorists isn't really in vogue. Brightonscouse2

4:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Mushymat says...

easyrider wrote:
Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes".

Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ?

Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..
As soon as you bring up Car tax (and it is a car tax, not a road tax) you have lost the argument.

The reasons cyclists don't pay car tax is because they do not pollute. In addition, they do so little damage to the roads (I believe a car is around 500x more damaging to a road than a cycle). Combine that with not causing congestion, increased health benefits - which has many beneficial knock on effects its in no ones interest to charge cyclists that would in effect result in more cars on the road. More cars is bad for everyone for every negative reason you can think of.


In addition to this - 80 odd % of cyclists also drive - so they pay car tax, but use their car a lot less less.

There are more 0 rated cars on the road (about 2 million) than there are regular commuting cyclists.

And finally - roads, like pavements are primarily paid for via general taxation and council tax.
[quote][p][bold]easyrider[/bold] wrote: Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes". Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ? Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..[/p][/quote]As soon as you bring up Car tax (and it is a car tax, not a road tax) you have lost the argument. The reasons cyclists don't pay car tax is because they do not pollute. In addition, they do so little damage to the roads (I believe a car is around 500x more damaging to a road than a cycle). Combine that with not causing congestion, increased health benefits - which has many beneficial knock on effects its in no ones interest to charge cyclists that would in effect result in more cars on the road. More cars is bad for everyone for every negative reason you can think of. In addition to this - 80 odd % of cyclists also drive - so they pay car tax, but use their car a lot less less. There are more 0 rated cars on the road (about 2 million) than there are regular commuting cyclists. And finally - roads, like pavements are primarily paid for via general taxation and council tax. Mushymat

4:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Mushymat says...

WHITEBALL wrote:
Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.
"Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer."

Id be all for this is drivers who repeatedly offend also get a 6 month jail sentence ?

What do you think. - caught speeding twice - confiscate their car and throw them in jail.

Seems fair, as a cyclist I applagd your forward thinking.
[quote][p][bold]WHITEBALL[/bold] wrote: Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.[/p][/quote]"Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer." Id be all for this is drivers who repeatedly offend also get a 6 month jail sentence ? What do you think. - caught speeding twice - confiscate their car and throw them in jail. Seems fair, as a cyclist I applagd your forward thinking. Mushymat

4:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Mark63 says...

Good idea - if cyclists are obeying the rules of the road, then no problem, if not then they need to be tackled - fined or something....Dodging cyclists on roundabouts is always a problem...
Good idea - if cyclists are obeying the rules of the road, then no problem, if not then they need to be tackled - fined or something....Dodging cyclists on roundabouts is always a problem... Mark63

5:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

I agree with the quote in the article about pedestrians walking in the bike lanes on the seafront. Those people really p*** me off -
How long before someone gets knocked over and killed there due to their own stupidity.
I agree with the quote in the article about pedestrians walking in the bike lanes on the seafront. Those people really p*** me off - How long before someone gets knocked over and killed there due to their own stupidity. Ambo Guy

5:20pm Wed 15 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

WHITEBALL wrote:
Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.
And anyone caught driving even 1 mph over the speed limit should receive a 10 year jail sentence, that should put an end to the highly dangerous practice of BREAKING THE SPEED LIMIT
[quote][p][bold]WHITEBALL[/bold] wrote: Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.[/p][/quote]And anyone caught driving even 1 mph over the speed limit should receive a 10 year jail sentence, that should put an end to the highly dangerous practice of BREAKING THE SPEED LIMIT gheese77

5:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
I agree with the quote in the article about pedestrians walking in the bike lanes on the seafront. Those people really p*** me off -
How long before someone gets knocked over and killed there due to their own stupidity.
Only Sunday I crossed from hove promenade to the pavement, having to cross a cycle path, which to my amazement had GIVE WAY markings for cyclists to let pedestrians cross, Guess what, out of 8 cyclists not one stopped, and nearly hit my daughter, then had the cheek to tell me to keep my child under control. Its the same story when i drive, constant law breaking by cyclists, endangering lives. I really think something needs to be done, you should all need a license to ride
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: I agree with the quote in the article about pedestrians walking in the bike lanes on the seafront. Those people really p*** me off - How long before someone gets knocked over and killed there due to their own stupidity.[/p][/quote]Only Sunday I crossed from hove promenade to the pavement, having to cross a cycle path, which to my amazement had GIVE WAY markings for cyclists to let pedestrians cross, Guess what, out of 8 cyclists not one stopped, and nearly hit my daughter, then had the cheek to tell me to keep my child under control. Its the same story when i drive, constant law breaking by cyclists, endangering lives. I really think something needs to be done, you should all need a license to ride Brighton1000

5:35pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

gheese77 wrote:
WHITEBALL wrote:
Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.
And anyone caught driving even 1 mph over the speed limit should receive a 10 year jail sentence, that should put an end to the highly dangerous practice of BREAKING THE SPEED LIMIT
gheese, GO & HAVE A LIE DOWN M8.
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WHITEBALL[/bold] wrote: Cyclists do not belong on the pavement. Full stop. Until I recently retired I had daily encounters with cyclists riding on the pavement when walking to and from work, with them often riding down a slight hill at considerable speed. I always remonstrated with them and for my trouble have been repeatedly sworn at and threatened with physical violence more than once. To my mind, as a completely environmentally friendly, obligatory pedestrian who has never owned a car, cyclists are an absolute pain. Anyone caught riding on the pavement should get a stiff fine and have their cycle confiscated, with a six month jail sentence for a repeat offence. Then we pedestrians might feel a bit safer.[/p][/quote]And anyone caught driving even 1 mph over the speed limit should receive a 10 year jail sentence, that should put an end to the highly dangerous practice of BREAKING THE SPEED LIMIT[/p][/quote]gheese, GO & HAVE A LIE DOWN M8. ARMANA

5:36pm Wed 15 Jan 14

deve says...

Question to all the cyclist complaining about pedestrians on cycle paths. You do know you have to give way to pedestrians at the give way signs (broken white line) on the cycle path where pedestrians cross the cycle path?. 9 times out of 10 cyclists steam through the give way signs on the cycle path either ignoring or not knowing pedestrians have right of way. Pedestrians who know what the white give way lines mean walk across the cycle lane, thinking they are safe and then get abuse, the finger or scowled at by cyclists. A broken white line on a cycle path is clearly identified in the Highway Code to be observed by cyclists. Pedestrians stand your ground on the cycle path give way signs especially near the tour buses on the seafront! Its a great place to watch interaction between pedestrians in the right and cyclist in the wrong. So funny seeing an indignant cyclist shouting at pedestrians and then being told about the give way signs. The worst cyclists seem to be the ones with the biggest helmet and bell.
Question to all the cyclist complaining about pedestrians on cycle paths. You do know you have to give way to pedestrians at the give way signs (broken white line) on the cycle path where pedestrians cross the cycle path?. 9 times out of 10 cyclists steam through the give way signs on the cycle path either ignoring or not knowing pedestrians have right of way. Pedestrians who know what the white give way lines mean walk across the cycle lane, thinking they are safe and then get abuse, the finger or scowled at by cyclists. A broken white line on a cycle path is clearly identified in the Highway Code to be observed by cyclists. Pedestrians stand your ground on the cycle path give way signs especially near the tour buses on the seafront! Its a great place to watch interaction between pedestrians in the right and cyclist in the wrong. So funny seeing an indignant cyclist shouting at pedestrians and then being told about the give way signs. The worst cyclists seem to be the ones with the biggest helmet and bell. deve

5:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

deve wrote:
Question to all the cyclist complaining about pedestrians on cycle paths. You do know you have to give way to pedestrians at the give way signs (broken white line) on the cycle path where pedestrians cross the cycle path?. 9 times out of 10 cyclists steam through the give way signs on the cycle path either ignoring or not knowing pedestrians have right of way. Pedestrians who know what the white give way lines mean walk across the cycle lane, thinking they are safe and then get abuse, the finger or scowled at by cyclists. A broken white line on a cycle path is clearly identified in the Highway Code to be observed by cyclists. Pedestrians stand your ground on the cycle path give way signs especially near the tour buses on the seafront! Its a great place to watch interaction between pedestrians in the right and cyclist in the wrong. So funny seeing an indignant cyclist shouting at pedestrians and then being told about the give way signs. The worst cyclists seem to be the ones with the biggest helmet and bell.
I cycle on Eastbourne seafront, where there are no give way/broken white lines. People seem content to walk along the cycle path there, and let their dogs roam free off their leads, despite signs on every lamp post stating dogs should be kept on leads.
[quote][p][bold]deve[/bold] wrote: Question to all the cyclist complaining about pedestrians on cycle paths. You do know you have to give way to pedestrians at the give way signs (broken white line) on the cycle path where pedestrians cross the cycle path?. 9 times out of 10 cyclists steam through the give way signs on the cycle path either ignoring or not knowing pedestrians have right of way. Pedestrians who know what the white give way lines mean walk across the cycle lane, thinking they are safe and then get abuse, the finger or scowled at by cyclists. A broken white line on a cycle path is clearly identified in the Highway Code to be observed by cyclists. Pedestrians stand your ground on the cycle path give way signs especially near the tour buses on the seafront! Its a great place to watch interaction between pedestrians in the right and cyclist in the wrong. So funny seeing an indignant cyclist shouting at pedestrians and then being told about the give way signs. The worst cyclists seem to be the ones with the biggest helmet and bell.[/p][/quote]I cycle on Eastbourne seafront, where there are no give way/broken white lines. People seem content to walk along the cycle path there, and let their dogs roam free off their leads, despite signs on every lamp post stating dogs should be kept on leads. Brightonscouse2

7:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

puddingandpi says...

pebble counter wrote:
twonk wrote:
If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
And you're a c*nt.
[quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.[/p][/quote]And you're a c*nt. puddingandpi

10:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

Browsing Facebook now passes for journalism!
Browsing Facebook now passes for journalism! HJarrs

10:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bill in Hanover says...

In the article it states 'Toby Wilson added: “The berks who wander along in the cycle lane on the seafront infuriate me, lack of consideration cuts both ways.' shows that the majority of cyclists are totally unaware of the highway code or laws of the road. Pavement cycle lanes are a shared area, pedestrians are perfectly entitled to walk in them but cyclists are not permitted to cycle outside of the lanes. I occasionally cycle along the Brighton and Hove seafront in the cycle lanes and realise that many of the people strolling along the seafront are visitors and are usually unaware of the cycle lanes, although this does not stop idiot cyclists from racing up and down the lanes.
In the article it states 'Toby Wilson added: “The berks who wander along in the cycle lane on the seafront infuriate me, lack of consideration cuts both ways.' shows that the majority of cyclists are totally unaware of the highway code or laws of the road. Pavement cycle lanes are a shared area, pedestrians are perfectly entitled to walk in them but cyclists are not permitted to cycle outside of the lanes. I occasionally cycle along the Brighton and Hove seafront in the cycle lanes and realise that many of the people strolling along the seafront are visitors and are usually unaware of the cycle lanes, although this does not stop idiot cyclists from racing up and down the lanes. Bill in Hanover

10:17am Thu 16 Jan 14

pebble counter says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
pebble counter wrote:
twonk wrote:
If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
There you go, You have just hit the nail on the head, Cyclists have a blatamt disregard for safety, and the law! And they have the attitude of 'Not my problem'. Thankyou for highlighting so perfectly why cyclists are such a problem.
It's a pleasure to highlight it to you but even now you've missed the point. Cyclists have a blatant disregard for safety you say? I'm saying I cycle on the pavements to stay safe. I stop for pedestrians. If a policeman stops me I will explain to him what I'm doing and if I get taken to court I'll explain why I was riding on the pavement.

You seem to miss the obvious point, it's currently illegal to cycle on the pavement, it's also currently illegal to drive without due care and attention, but a driver guilty of it may well take a life by doing so although he remains completely safe having driven dangerously. I'll continue to break the law thanks, and just a little special message to you to thank you for your kind words - up yours.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.[/p][/quote]There you go, You have just hit the nail on the head, Cyclists have a blatamt disregard for safety, and the law! And they have the attitude of 'Not my problem'. Thankyou for highlighting so perfectly why cyclists are such a problem.[/p][/quote]It's a pleasure to highlight it to you but even now you've missed the point. Cyclists have a blatant disregard for safety you say? I'm saying I cycle on the pavements to stay safe. I stop for pedestrians. If a policeman stops me I will explain to him what I'm doing and if I get taken to court I'll explain why I was riding on the pavement. You seem to miss the obvious point, it's currently illegal to cycle on the pavement, it's also currently illegal to drive without due care and attention, but a driver guilty of it may well take a life by doing so although he remains completely safe having driven dangerously. I'll continue to break the law thanks, and just a little special message to you to thank you for your kind words - up yours. pebble counter

10:27am Thu 16 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

Mushymat wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
meanwhile other stories on the argus today;

- Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off
- 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving.

Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive.

The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.
if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally.

To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic.

Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up.

Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!)

A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.
There are statistics and there are lies, yours are the latter, just from memory in the latter part of last year 3 people on cycles were killed in London alone, if you are going to state facts make sure they are right.
[quote][p][bold]Mushymat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.[/p][/quote]if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally. To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic. Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up. Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!) A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.[/p][/quote]There are statistics and there are lies, yours are the latter, just from memory in the latter part of last year 3 people on cycles were killed in London alone, if you are going to state facts make sure they are right. ThinkBrighton

11:13am Thu 16 Jan 14

Brightonscouse2 says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Mushymat wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
meanwhile other stories on the argus today;

- Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off
- 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving.

Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive.

The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.
if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally.

To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic.

Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up.

Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!)

A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.
There are statistics and there are lies, yours are the latter, just from memory in the latter part of last year 3 people on cycles were killed in London alone, if you are going to state facts make sure they are right.
I think you may have got yourself confused. Consider the difference between killed BY cyclists, and killed ON cycles.

Mushymat was stating that 0-2 people have been killed BY cyclists a year.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mushymat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.[/p][/quote]if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally. To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic. Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up. Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!) A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.[/p][/quote]There are statistics and there are lies, yours are the latter, just from memory in the latter part of last year 3 people on cycles were killed in London alone, if you are going to state facts make sure they are right.[/p][/quote]I think you may have got yourself confused. Consider the difference between killed BY cyclists, and killed ON cycles. Mushymat was stating that 0-2 people have been killed BY cyclists a year. Brightonscouse2

1:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pebble counter says...

puddingandpi wrote:
pebble counter wrote:
twonk wrote:
If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
And you're a c*nt.
Ever had your IQ tested?
[quote][p][bold]puddingandpi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.[/p][/quote]And you're a c*nt.[/p][/quote]Ever had your IQ tested? pebble counter

2:03pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Strugg Lynn says...

JerryOnly wrote:
Boloney-marshal wrote: Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements. Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?
Another self-righteous cyclist wittering on mindlessly. Yawn. These people are breaking the law and if the least they get is a non-face photograph for an internet 'shaming' then they should count themselves **** lucky. It is a CRIME to do so (see Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835.)
I was wondering when somebody would post that it is ILLEGAL to cycle on pavements. Doesn't matter whether some poeple think it is "OK". It is isn't. It is against the law and most cyclists I encounter using the pavement are plain rude and arrogant. That sadly isn't against the law.
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements. Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?[/p][/quote]Another self-righteous cyclist wittering on mindlessly. Yawn. These people are breaking the law and if the least they get is a non-face photograph for an internet 'shaming' then they should count themselves **** lucky. It is a CRIME to do so (see Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835.)[/p][/quote]I was wondering when somebody would post that it is ILLEGAL to cycle on pavements. Doesn't matter whether some poeple think it is "OK". It is isn't. It is against the law and most cyclists I encounter using the pavement are plain rude and arrogant. That sadly isn't against the law. Strugg Lynn

2:09pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Strugg Lynn says...

JerryOnly wrote:
Boloney-marshal wrote: Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements. Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?
Another self-righteous cyclist wittering on mindlessly. Yawn. These people are breaking the law and if the least they get is a non-face photograph for an internet 'shaming' then they should count themselves **** lucky. It is a CRIME to do so (see Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835.)
I was wondering when somebody would post that it is ILLEGAL to cycle on pavements. I guess so many do not know that as nobody has to pass a test to ride a two wheel vehicle.
Most cyclists I encounter using the pavements are rude, and dismissively arrogant. They rarely get caught and or fined and that is a problem.
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boloney-marshal[/bold] wrote: Either police the problem properly or make it safer for cyclist to use the roads and not the pavements. Haven't you stupid idiots got anything else going on in your lives other than taking photographs of people cycling on the pavements and then posting then on Sheeplebook, pathetic, make yourself feel better about yourself does it?[/p][/quote]Another self-righteous cyclist wittering on mindlessly. Yawn. These people are breaking the law and if the least they get is a non-face photograph for an internet 'shaming' then they should count themselves **** lucky. It is a CRIME to do so (see Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835.)[/p][/quote]I was wondering when somebody would post that it is ILLEGAL to cycle on pavements. I guess so many do not know that as nobody has to pass a test to ride a two wheel vehicle. Most cyclists I encounter using the pavements are rude, and dismissively arrogant. They rarely get caught and or fined and that is a problem. Strugg Lynn

2:11pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Strugg Lynn says...

Dizzy! wrote:
I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it. One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic? Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads! At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking. I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result!
There are a lot of pavement cyclists. Fact.
[quote][p][bold]Dizzy![/bold] wrote: I cycle, I aslo drive a car, I quite often walk,... I encounter bad examples in all 3 areas I am a BritshCycling ride leader/coach. I teach people how to cycle correctly on the roads, I do not advocate cycling on pavements, apart for the under 11's., and even then we emphasise that pedestrians always have right of way But having been on the receiving end of more near misses from vehciles than I can count, I can fully understand why some folk who may not be as confident as I am or new to cycling may do it. One of the problems, I hear from people all the time, ,is that in some places there are blue signs clearly showing that pavement is shared use for both cyclists & pedestrians, but turn onto the next road & they can't see a sign. There is just no consistancy, do they stay on the pavement, which is clear & safe, or go onto a busy road & take their chances with traffic? Another thing to consider is the riders nationality - In some European countries riding on the pavement is perfectly acceptable, and in a few cyclists are not even allowed on the road, unless a marked path/lane. They may simply not realise they cannot do it here. I am only aware of this after talking to a lady recently, she thought English cyclists were being bad being on the roads! At the end of the day, there will always be an element of people on bikes, who really really just don't care...But they will be the same folk who wouldn't care, no matter what their mode of transport, if they were driving a car, or barging through crowds while walking. I do find it quite odd, that all cyclists seem to get judged by the actions of a very small minority. Just because you saw a bloke on a bike do something does not mean every cyclist will do it. I got cut up by someone in a grey van last week.... I don't hate grey van drivers as a result![/p][/quote]There are a lot of pavement cyclists. Fact. Strugg Lynn

2:13pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Strugg Lynn says...

pebble counter wrote:
twonk wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
You are breaking the law.
[quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.[/p][/quote]You are breaking the law. Strugg Lynn

3:57pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Mushymat says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
Mushymat wrote:
graham_Seagull wrote:
meanwhile other stories on the argus today;

- Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off
- 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving.

Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive.

The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.
if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally.

To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic.

Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up.

Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!)

A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.
There are statistics and there are lies, yours are the latter, just from memory in the latter part of last year 3 people on cycles were killed in London alone, if you are going to state facts make sure they are right.
you need to learn to read.

I didn't say anything about cyclists deaths (its about 120 a year nationally). I only mentioned those killed by cyclists.

Big difference as they are totally different things.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mushymat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: meanwhile other stories on the argus today; - Cyclist knocked off bike by driver who then drove off - 3 drivers arrested and charged following drink driving. Whilst I cant condone cyclists who go on the pavement, no one to my knowledge has been killed or seriously injured in Brighton by a cyclist yet very few people take time out to go and have a pop at drivers who regyularly injure other road users or who drink and then drive. The absence of any kind of balanced approach to risks is lamentable.[/p][/quote]if you are interested 0-2 people a YEAR are killed by cyclists rationally. To put that in perspective 7 people are killed each DAY on the roads. A large proportion of that is by motorized traffic. Not condoning bad cycling, but perspective is often totally lost when the subject of cyclists come up. Other interesting stats (sorry I like stats!) A cyclist would need to travel at around 120mph to have the kinetic force of a car traveling at 30mph.[/p][/quote]There are statistics and there are lies, yours are the latter, just from memory in the latter part of last year 3 people on cycles were killed in London alone, if you are going to state facts make sure they are right.[/p][/quote]you need to learn to read. I didn't say anything about cyclists deaths (its about 120 a year nationally). I only mentioned those killed by cyclists. Big difference as they are totally different things. Mushymat

5:43pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pebble counter says...

Strugg Lynn wrote:
pebble counter wrote:
twonk wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.
No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.
You are breaking the law.
I know. If you read what I put you'll see I don't care and my justification. Would you prefer I obeyed the law and got injured?
[quote][p][bold]Strugg Lynn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: If people don't feel safe cycling on the roads then they should walk. It's that simple.[/p][/quote]No it's not that simple. I cycle on the pavement, and I tell my kids to too. I also tell them to give way to pedestrians, as I do. I find most pedestrians sympathise with the plight of the cyclist, and anyone who does not that's their problem, I've got out of their way and done enough to keep us both free of injury. It's common sense to use the pavement. All cyclists should do it if they are worried about being injured by an idiot car driver who can't be patient enough to wait two seconds until they can get past. Most drivers can, but some can't.[/p][/quote]You are breaking the law.[/p][/quote]I know. If you read what I put you'll see I don't care and my justification. Would you prefer I obeyed the law and got injured? pebble counter

5:45pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pebble counter says...

easyrider wrote:
Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes".

Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ?

Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..
What the hell are you talking about?
[quote][p][bold]easyrider[/bold] wrote: Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes". Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ? Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..[/p][/quote]What the hell are you talking about? pebble counter

7:00pm Thu 16 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

pebble counter wrote:
easyrider wrote:
Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes".

Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ?

Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..
What the hell are you talking about?
Well said easyrider, have another go at reading it pebble, take it slowly, & your get it, well maybe, !!
[quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]easyrider[/bold] wrote: Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes". Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ? Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..[/p][/quote]What the hell are you talking about?[/p][/quote]Well said easyrider, have another go at reading it pebble, take it slowly, & your get it, well maybe, !! ARMANA

7:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

pebble counter says...

ARMANA wrote:
pebble counter wrote:
easyrider wrote:
Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes".

Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ?

Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..
What the hell are you talking about?
Well said easyrider, have another go at reading it pebble, take it slowly, & your get it, well maybe, !!
You're as thick as he is.
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]easyrider[/bold] wrote: Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes". Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ? Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..[/p][/quote]What the hell are you talking about?[/p][/quote]Well said easyrider, have another go at reading it pebble, take it slowly, & your get it, well maybe, !![/p][/quote]You're as thick as he is. pebble counter

10:49pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Levent says...

WHAT ABOUT MORONS WALKING ON CYCLE PATHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
????????????
WHAT ABOUT MORONS WALKING ON CYCLE PATHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ???????????? Levent

12:29am Fri 17 Jan 14

brightonpip says...

pebble counter wrote:
easyrider wrote:
Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes".

Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ?

Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..
What the hell are you talking about?
i neither drive nor cycle but from reading the comments off here recently there seem to be far more motorists moaning about too many bus and cycle lanes, as well as speed restrictions (which they ignore) preventing them from racing around town like other road users dont matter. as a pedestrian I think cycles should not be on the pavements but I kind of get their point when there are thoughtless drivers like you clogging up the road.

As for road tax that all goes to the treasury who no doubt spend it on very expensive motorways which are cycle free I'm sure you'll be glad to hear.
[quote][p][bold]pebble counter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]easyrider[/bold] wrote: Interesting how many cyclists whinge in these columns that there are "not enough cycle lanes". Why should there be ANY cycle lanes at all ? Until cyclists pay a 'road tax' of sorts, they have no right to expect others to invest cash in their hobby..[/p][/quote]What the hell are you talking about?[/p][/quote]i neither drive nor cycle but from reading the comments off here recently there seem to be far more motorists moaning about too many bus and cycle lanes, as well as speed restrictions (which they ignore) preventing them from racing around town like other road users dont matter. as a pedestrian I think cycles should not be on the pavements but I kind of get their point when there are thoughtless drivers like you clogging up the road. As for road tax that all goes to the treasury who no doubt spend it on very expensive motorways which are cycle free I'm sure you'll be glad to hear. brightonpip

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