The great Brighton and Hove council tax debate: Labour leader Warren Morgan on the case for 2% rise

The Argus: The great council tax debate: Labour leader Warren Morgan on the case for 2% rise The great council tax debate: Labour leader Warren Morgan on the case for 2% rise

No one wants to pay more in council tax, but in good economic times people don’t mind paying a little more if they know it goes to providing better schools, roads, refuse collection, care services, street cleaning and so on.

Despite what we are told by politicians in Westminster though, economic times are still not good.

Most can’t see their personal financial situation improving, one in three Brighton and Hove residents are struggling with debt, some are using food banks to feed their families, others are teetering on the brink of being homeless.


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At the same time as costs to councils of social care services are going up, and some NHS services are being transferred to councils to run, the Government is cutting tens of millions from council funding - £23 million less this year, £25 million less next year. A grant to “freeze” council tax gives only around a million back.

Freezing council tax of course means more cuts, as inflation is till increasing costs by over 2% a year.

That’s why many Conservative councils, including Kent, and our Conservative Police and Crime Commissioner, have rejected the “freeze” and are putting up council tax by as much as the government will allow.

We believe people still want good local services run by local councils, not outsources to big companies like G4S and Capita. We think most people see through the Tories’ con trick of offering no increases in the run-up to an election.

Labour does not agree with the Greens that the council should increase tax by almost 5%.

Jason Kitcat and Caroline Lucas might be able to afford that, local people struggling with rising energy bills and rents can’t.

Their costly referendum plan designed to score political points against the Labour opposition locally and the Tory government nationally will fail, and we will be back to the 2% rise they themselves were planning until last week.

That’s why we want a sensible and reasonable increase of 2%, in line with over sixty Conservativeled councils and many Labour ones across the country, to deliver well-run local services that residents can rely on and afford.

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1:29pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Valerie Paynter says...

I have a lot of respect and admiration for Warren Morgan but he is playing politics here. Were Labour back in power in Whitehall and down here the council tax rises would go through the roof to pay for all the right-on stuff they champion. Labour were notorious for padding out the civil service with huge job increases in bureaucracy and to what effect?

Workers in public service are now as much about spending on themselves and their rights and wage wrangles as the local area they are there to maintain and service it seems to me.

Worker power is ironically weakening the lives of those not in high-paying career jobs it seems. Rents are out of control. Housing is unaffordable and between them, since 1979, both the Tories and Labour have been responsible for the bleed of all the best council owned housing into the private sector where housing is now a gambling chip people play to gain capital-gains-free profits and trading power. Labour colluded with that during the Tony Bliar years.

The bin men in this city are run ragged and unable to keep up with refuse collection since their budget was slashed, rounds continually rejigged and some of them are not even getting overtime for working a 7 day week, week in and week out I am hearing. The communal bins outside my place today are heaving and bulging out the top. Next collection? Not for five more days I learn. It will be all over the ground by tomorrow.

That is not the fault of the Greens. It is down to officer allocation priorties and central government slashing the local govt grant by 40% along with having a massive student population who are council tax exempt but filling the bins and needing services. Most of what the Greens have done was already in train before they took over from the Tories or is part of a national trajectory (20mph speeds).

I better stop.....
I have a lot of respect and admiration for Warren Morgan but he is playing politics here. Were Labour back in power in Whitehall and down here the council tax rises would go through the roof to pay for all the right-on stuff they champion. Labour were notorious for padding out the civil service with huge job increases in bureaucracy and to what effect? Workers in public service are now as much about spending on themselves and their rights and wage wrangles as the local area they are there to maintain and service it seems to me. Worker power is ironically weakening the lives of those not in high-paying career jobs it seems. Rents are out of control. Housing is unaffordable and between them, since 1979, both the Tories and Labour have been responsible for the bleed of all the best council owned housing into the private sector where housing is now a gambling chip people play to gain capital-gains-free profits and trading power. Labour colluded with that during the Tony Bliar years. The bin men in this city are run ragged and unable to keep up with refuse collection since their budget was slashed, rounds continually rejigged and some of them are not even getting overtime for working a 7 day week, week in and week out I am hearing. The communal bins outside my place today are heaving and bulging out the top. Next collection? Not for five more days I learn. It will be all over the ground by tomorrow. That is not the fault of the Greens. It is down to officer allocation priorties and central government slashing the local govt grant by 40% along with having a massive student population who are council tax exempt but filling the bins and needing services. Most of what the Greens have done was already in train before they took over from the Tories or is part of a national trajectory (20mph speeds). I better stop..... Valerie Paynter

1:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Fight_Back says...

I've read all the leaders statements. Cllr Kitcat's can only be rejected as fluff. Both Cllrs Morgan and Theobald raise interesting questions. Here's some questions for Cllr Morgan based on his statement :

As Cllr Theobald states, Labour leader Ed Milliband regularly raises the cost of living crisis yet local Labour want to increase council tax by 2%. Is this not a contradiction ?

You mention G4S and Capita contracts. I hate to point it out to you ( especially as I'm ex-Capita employee ) that it was Labour that started many of these contracts ( indeed over 70% of Capita contracts with the government were started under Labour ! ).
I've read all the leaders statements. Cllr Kitcat's can only be rejected as fluff. Both Cllrs Morgan and Theobald raise interesting questions. Here's some questions for Cllr Morgan based on his statement : As Cllr Theobald states, Labour leader Ed Milliband regularly raises the cost of living crisis yet local Labour want to increase council tax by 2%. Is this not a contradiction ? You mention G4S and Capita contracts. I hate to point it out to you ( especially as I'm ex-Capita employee ) that it was Labour that started many of these contracts ( indeed over 70% of Capita contracts with the government were started under Labour ! ). Fight_Back

1:44pm Thu 23 Jan 14

BrighterStar says...

Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain. BrighterStar

2:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

leftysmellbags says...

Labour are and have always been lying, self interested, financially inept schemers who bring nothing but ruin and misery to the native English person. So if Warren Morgan states that the 2% rise will be to protect roads, schools, old people etc, what he really means is that he wishes to protect his own pocket and protect many other socialist agenda projects.
Labour are and have always been lying, self interested, financially inept schemers who bring nothing but ruin and misery to the native English person. So if Warren Morgan states that the 2% rise will be to protect roads, schools, old people etc, what he really means is that he wishes to protect his own pocket and protect many other socialist agenda projects. leftysmellbags

2:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

BrighterStar wrote:
Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen.

Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it.

There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly.

The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
[quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better. Brighton1000

3:00pm Thu 23 Jan 14

RottingdeanRant says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
BrighterStar wrote:
Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen.

Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it.

There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly.

The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
I don’t think you should deprive the needy of their hugs!
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.[/p][/quote]I don’t think you should deprive the needy of their hugs! RottingdeanRant

3:45pm Thu 23 Jan 14

BrighterStar says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
BrighterStar wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
My point exactly, which is why I would say that Labour should ensure the money does get spent on the vulnerable. Unfortunately, the outsourcing of social care is not spin it has already been proposed - starting with the Larchwood Centre in Coldean - so to my mind any inititative that can stop this happening is worth a go. However, the vote of no confidence is spin, because it has no constitutional effect save to let the Labour party wash its hands of an issue it could influence if it chose to be brave. My point as a lifelong labour supporter is that they are frankly a huge let down at the moment and need to grow some!
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.[/p][/quote]My point exactly, which is why I would say that Labour should ensure the money does get spent on the vulnerable. Unfortunately, the outsourcing of social care is not spin it has already been proposed - starting with the Larchwood Centre in Coldean - so to my mind any inititative that can stop this happening is worth a go. However, the vote of no confidence is spin, because it has no constitutional effect save to let the Labour party wash its hands of an issue it could influence if it chose to be brave. My point as a lifelong labour supporter is that they are frankly a huge let down at the moment and need to grow some! BrighterStar

3:53pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richada says...

Dear Cllr Morgan,

Although I've only been taking part in these Argus threads for a very short time, I have come to respect you for your openness and honesty, a refreshing change from what we are used to in this city.

Politically there are very many issues that I do not agree with Labour on, but that is not relevent the debate here and I do agree with your proposal to increase council tax by 2% as I think a modest annual increases (2% maximum say) should be allowed.

At some stage, following any freeze, there will have be a big hike in charges - as the current administration are attempting to impose currently - which will always hit much harder than a small, annual rise. This is the situation that we have found with our energy bills, fix for two or three years, then face a 10 or 15% increase at the end of the fixed period, the far greater increment is much harder to meet than the annual, much smaller one.

Looking at the chaos the current administration have caused in this city, particularly with regard to the services that we all use - one wonders if the ONLY way out of this mess wouldn't be to sub-contract services to private firms - not because anybody actually WANTS to, but because the clueless council has left us with no option but to do so in order to provide the services that we are paying for........

......indeed one wonders if the whole city wouldn't be more efficient privately run - anything to get away from the same tired old party political point scoring that serves us so badly and the majority of us are so fed up with!

Both yourself and Cllr Theobold need to remember that the very reason the Greens were elected was that people were so disenchanted with the existing set up that they sought any option which they felt would take us away from bickering party politics in local government. The fact that the Greens let us down so badly does not mean that Labour, or Conservative, have won any kind of victory here.
Dear Cllr Morgan, Although I've only been taking part in these Argus threads for a very short time, I have come to respect you for your openness and honesty, a refreshing change from what we are used to in this city. Politically there are very many issues that I do not agree with Labour on, but that is not relevent the debate here and I do agree with your proposal to increase council tax by 2% as I think a modest annual increases (2% maximum say) should be allowed. At some stage, following any freeze, there will have be a big hike in charges - as the current administration are attempting to impose currently - which will always hit much harder than a small, annual rise. This is the situation that we have found with our energy bills, fix for two or three years, then face a 10 or 15% increase at the end of the fixed period, the far greater increment is much harder to meet than the annual, much smaller one. Looking at the chaos the current administration have caused in this city, particularly with regard to the services that we all use - one wonders if the ONLY way out of this mess wouldn't be to sub-contract services to private firms - not because anybody actually WANTS to, but because the clueless council has left us with no option but to do so in order to provide the services that we are paying for........ ......indeed one wonders if the whole city wouldn't be more efficient privately run - anything to get away from the same tired old party political point scoring that serves us so badly and the majority of us are so fed up with! Both yourself and Cllr Theobold need to remember that the very reason the Greens were elected was that people were so disenchanted with the existing set up that they sought any option which they felt would take us away from bickering party politics in local government. The fact that the Greens let us down so badly does not mean that Labour, or Conservative, have won any kind of victory here. Richada

4:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

BrighterStar wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
BrighterStar wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
My point exactly, which is why I would say that Labour should ensure the money does get spent on the vulnerable. Unfortunately, the outsourcing of social care is not spin it has already been proposed - starting with the Larchwood Centre in Coldean - so to my mind any inititative that can stop this happening is worth a go. However, the vote of no confidence is spin, because it has no constitutional effect save to let the Labour party wash its hands of an issue it could influence if it chose to be brave. My point as a lifelong labour supporter is that they are frankly a huge let down at the moment and need to grow some!
Disagree, I am saying we shouldnt be emotionally blackmailed into agreeing a huge council tax rise, on the basis of the greens using the vulnerable as the basis for it.

Its gutter politics, No one wants to see the elderly and vulnerable go without, I have the upmost respect for the elderly especially veterans, without who, pampered idiots like Kitwat wouldnt have any freedom of speech.

The savings should be made elsewhere and as a council should ensure the elderly and vulnerable are cared for without trying the lowest trick going and playing on our emotions.

I dont particularly feel any party is particularly outstanding or even credible. But any of them will be better than this bunch of morons, They have, without doubt, made a hugely negative impact on our City. Thats a fact
[quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.[/p][/quote]My point exactly, which is why I would say that Labour should ensure the money does get spent on the vulnerable. Unfortunately, the outsourcing of social care is not spin it has already been proposed - starting with the Larchwood Centre in Coldean - so to my mind any inititative that can stop this happening is worth a go. However, the vote of no confidence is spin, because it has no constitutional effect save to let the Labour party wash its hands of an issue it could influence if it chose to be brave. My point as a lifelong labour supporter is that they are frankly a huge let down at the moment and need to grow some![/p][/quote]Disagree, I am saying we shouldnt be emotionally blackmailed into agreeing a huge council tax rise, on the basis of the greens using the vulnerable as the basis for it. Its gutter politics, No one wants to see the elderly and vulnerable go without, I have the upmost respect for the elderly especially veterans, without who, pampered idiots like Kitwat wouldnt have any freedom of speech. The savings should be made elsewhere and as a council should ensure the elderly and vulnerable are cared for without trying the lowest trick going and playing on our emotions. I dont particularly feel any party is particularly outstanding or even credible. But any of them will be better than this bunch of morons, They have, without doubt, made a hugely negative impact on our City. Thats a fact Brighton1000

5:52pm Thu 23 Jan 14

leftysmellbags says...

How did George Orwells animal farm go again - oh yeah

" The pigs have moved back into the house and sleep with all the best silk bedding which goes against all that they said earlier but no one brings it up, they just accept and get on with the toil"

Labour = Fat Champaign Socialists.

How can you tell they are lying = They are speaking
How did George Orwells animal farm go again - oh yeah " The pigs have moved back into the house and sleep with all the best silk bedding which goes against all that they said earlier but no one brings it up, they just accept and get on with the toil" Labour = Fat Champaign Socialists. How can you tell they are lying = They are speaking leftysmellbags

6:47pm Thu 23 Jan 14

winewomenandsong says...

Not a word was to be heard from Warrem Morgan when the Labour led council, regular as clockwork, increased council tax by well "over" 4.75%.
All of a sudden he's found his voice when Greens propose doing the same.
Mr Morgan? Chip off the old Karl Marx if you ask me.

.
Not a word was to be heard from Warrem Morgan when the Labour led council, regular as clockwork, increased council tax by well "over" 4.75%. All of a sudden he's found his voice when Greens propose doing the same. Mr Morgan? Chip off the old Karl Marx if you ask me. . winewomenandsong

9:05pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

RottingdeanRant wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
BrighterStar wrote:
Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen.

Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it.

There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly.

The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
I don’t think you should deprive the needy of their hugs!
Be careful who you hug though with all these hugger-muggers around.
[quote][p][bold]RottingdeanRant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.[/p][/quote]I don’t think you should deprive the needy of their hugs![/p][/quote]Be careful who you hug though with all these hugger-muggers around. Gribbet

9:17pm Thu 23 Jan 14

jimpy762 says...

If you're working and trying to keep your head above water then the conservatives are the best out of a bunch of clowns. Small state low tax.
If you're happy for politicians to p*ss on your boots and tell you its raining then the others will quite happily empty your pockets for nothing tangible in return.
Lets just remember who earns all this money in the first place before we let the lefties **** it on our behalf.
If you're working and trying to keep your head above water then the conservatives are the best out of a bunch of clowns. Small state low tax. If you're happy for politicians to p*ss on your boots and tell you its raining then the others will quite happily empty your pockets for nothing tangible in return. Lets just remember who earns all this money in the first place before we let the lefties **** it on our behalf. jimpy762

9:48pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Eugenius says...

Brighton1000 wrote:
BrighterStar wrote:
Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen.

Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it.

There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly.

The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
It's pretty simple - there was a draft budget published end of November which tabled £23m savings across the board. The Green administration put it out for consultation - there were strong objections to some of the savings in Adult Social Care. An additional £2.75m (raised by a 4.75% increase instead of 2%) will remove most of the pain points which people are understandably worried about.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.[/p][/quote]It's pretty simple - there was a draft budget published end of November which tabled £23m savings across the board. The Green administration put it out for consultation - there were strong objections to some of the savings in Adult Social Care. An additional £2.75m (raised by a 4.75% increase instead of 2%) will remove most of the pain points which people are understandably worried about. Eugenius

10:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Eugenius wrote:
Brighton1000 wrote:
BrighterStar wrote:
Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.
Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen.

Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it.

There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly.

The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.
It's pretty simple - there was a draft budget published end of November which tabled £23m savings across the board. The Green administration put it out for consultation - there were strong objections to some of the savings in Adult Social Care. An additional £2.75m (raised by a 4.75% increase instead of 2%) will remove most of the pain points which people are understandably worried about.
Or look to make savings on other areas and leaving the vulnerable at no risk.

Im actually surprised your even bothering to still comment on here, Your party is in tatters, Has lost all credibility, and created more contempt for a local council than ever seen before in recent years.

Its time to pack up and leave, But sure you already know that you genius (sorry couldnt resist).
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton1000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: Nice try Mr Morgan but this doesn't really add up does it? You say you want local services to remain in public ownership and not be run by big outsourcing companies like G4S and Capita but supporting a 2% rise will see exactly that happening to Social Care and other services in Brighton and you know it. There are poor and vulnerable people at the end of this, people who you would expect the Labour party (and the Greens) to be doing everything in their power to support but instead they are engaged in cheap political point scoring. By standing on the side lines throwing stones you will ensure that the very outsourcing you claim to oppose will happen. Its surely time the labour party as a whole stated what it is exactly that they stand for, because they seem to be waiting for the outcome of some celestial focus group to tell them what they believe in. I accept that some would struggle with any sort of rise in Council Tax but surely there is a way of testing this for the worse off. I would rather you supported the rise but held the Green administration to account and ensure any extra revenue was spent maintaining these essential services in the public domain.[/p][/quote]Who says the extra will actually go to the vulnerable? Its nothing more than spin and blackmail to appeal to our emotional side. The worst type of politics ive seen. Keep reverting back to the old and vulnerable is a huge insult to the public, and I am sure most people see straight past it. There are hugs savings that could be made and that money saved then used for the vulnerable and the elderly. The sooner the vote of no confidence is passed the better.[/p][/quote]It's pretty simple - there was a draft budget published end of November which tabled £23m savings across the board. The Green administration put it out for consultation - there were strong objections to some of the savings in Adult Social Care. An additional £2.75m (raised by a 4.75% increase instead of 2%) will remove most of the pain points which people are understandably worried about.[/p][/quote]Or look to make savings on other areas and leaving the vulnerable at no risk. Im actually surprised your even bothering to still comment on here, Your party is in tatters, Has lost all credibility, and created more contempt for a local council than ever seen before in recent years. Its time to pack up and leave, But sure you already know that you genius (sorry couldnt resist). Brighton1000

10:28pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Eugenius is a green councillor......hope
fully not the one who runs a PR agency because his posting is a poor advert for his business.
Eugenius is a green councillor......hope fully not the one who runs a PR agency because his posting is a poor advert for his business. Maxwell's Ghost

11:29pm Thu 23 Jan 14

the red head says...

I don't know who to support until I hear how the damage of the past four years will be put right. I want to know if the next council will help the residents get sense back on our roads by getting rid of the 20mph and urgently reviewing the trouble spots purposefully put in place by the greens... and the i360 archived for never, and student housing expansion to be urgently reviewed, the refuse collections need to be sorted and business needs to be boosted with a return to 6pm ends to parking restrictions to help restauranteurs and community in hove. The party that promises that gets my vote.
I don't know who to support until I hear how the damage of the past four years will be put right. I want to know if the next council will help the residents get sense back on our roads by getting rid of the 20mph and urgently reviewing the trouble spots purposefully put in place by the greens... and the i360 archived for never, and student housing expansion to be urgently reviewed, the refuse collections need to be sorted and business needs to be boosted with a return to 6pm ends to parking restrictions to help restauranteurs and community in hove. The party that promises that gets my vote. the red head

10:22am Fri 24 Jan 14

Richada says...

the red head wrote:
I don't know who to support until I hear how the damage of the past four years will be put right. I want to know if the next council will help the residents get sense back on our roads by getting rid of the 20mph and urgently reviewing the trouble spots purposefully put in place by the greens... and the i360 archived for never, and student housing expansion to be urgently reviewed, the refuse collections need to be sorted and business needs to be boosted with a return to 6pm ends to parking restrictions to help restauranteurs and community in hove. The party that promises that gets my vote.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: I don't know who to support until I hear how the damage of the past four years will be put right. I want to know if the next council will help the residents get sense back on our roads by getting rid of the 20mph and urgently reviewing the trouble spots purposefully put in place by the greens... and the i360 archived for never, and student housing expansion to be urgently reviewed, the refuse collections need to be sorted and business needs to be boosted with a return to 6pm ends to parking restrictions to help restauranteurs and community in hove. The party that promises that gets my vote.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Richada

10:49am Fri 24 Jan 14

Max Walls Ghost says...

TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment.

I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services.

I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points.

I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners.

I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget.

I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get)

I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better.

As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands.

Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for.

The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?)

I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face.

I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets.

I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.
TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment. I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services. I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points. I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners. I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget. I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get) I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better. As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands. Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for. The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?) I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face. I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets. I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down. Max Walls Ghost

12:35pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Max Walls Ghost wrote:
TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment.

I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services.

I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points.

I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners.

I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget.

I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get)

I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better.

As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands.

Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for.

The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?)

I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face.

I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets.

I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.
Max Walls ghost.....Maxwells Ghost????

Assuming not the same person? Yet another troll I assume, created by the laughable green party
[quote][p][bold]Max Walls Ghost[/bold] wrote: TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment. I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services. I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points. I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners. I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget. I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get) I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better. As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands. Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for. The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?) I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face. I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets. I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.[/p][/quote]Max Walls ghost.....Maxwells Ghost???? Assuming not the same person? Yet another troll I assume, created by the laughable green party Brighton1000

2:23pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

Max Walls Ghost wrote:
TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment.

I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services.

I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points.

I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners.

I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget.

I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get)

I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better.

As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands.

Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for.

The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?)

I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face.

I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets.

I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.
Why can't things just be like they were back in the early 1980s when this once great city was a town!

Laughable
[quote][p][bold]Max Walls Ghost[/bold] wrote: TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment. I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services. I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points. I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners. I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget. I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get) I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better. As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands. Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for. The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?) I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face. I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets. I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.[/p][/quote]Why can't things just be like they were back in the early 1980s when this once great city was a town! Laughable Gribbet

2:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Gribbet wrote:
Max Walls Ghost wrote:
TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment.

I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services.

I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points.

I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners.

I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget.

I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get)

I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better.

As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands.

Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for.

The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?)

I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face.

I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets.

I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.
Why can't things just be like they were back in the early 1980s when this once great city was a town!

Laughable
you and your party are laughable.

Time to pack up.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Max Walls Ghost[/bold] wrote: TBH I'm sick of just about everything at the moment. I'm sick of the Tories (whose slash and burn benefit and local funding cuts are making things worse) pretending they can get us out of this mess without raising council tax or cutting services. I'm sick of Labour trying to score political points. I'm sick of the political naivety of the Greens. Although I don't think they've ruined the city (the folks who keep up a continual barrage of negativity against them are managing to give the city a bad name) they have made mistakes and have been slow learners. I'm sick of people who still complain about cycle lanes and 20 mph zones when the transport budget is ring-fenced and has nothing to do with the social care budget. I'm sick of the vindictive, bigoted, small minded trolls who call for death to the council leader (just check some of the recent threads to see how nasty they get) I'm sick of everyone who thinks they could do better. As I see it the Tory austerity measures are hitting everyone and I wouldn't trust them not to further cut essential services in the ideological drive to create a smaller state and put more public services into private hands. Labour started the PFI nonsense and the outsourcing of NHS services and have a lot to answer for. The Greens came in with high ideals but in reality had no real experience of what it takes to run a council. They were a party driven by ideology and in the real world that doesn't work. Then again, the Tories and Labour could have worked against some of the more contentious ideas but they didn't leading me to think they agreed with many of the infrastructure changes (and weren't a lot of them already proposed before the Greens took power?) I'm sick of the Argus not moderating these boards. This thread has been relatively well mannered but others descend into vicious personal insults that the perpetrators would never say face to face. I'm sick of those who seem to think that by increasing council tax or parking charges or whatever is somehow putting money into councillors' pockets. I'm sick of everything really and need a lie down.[/p][/quote]Why can't things just be like they were back in the early 1980s when this once great city was a town! Laughable[/p][/quote]you and your party are laughable. Time to pack up. Brighton1000

10:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ said we should sing to raise morale.

My favorite is...

And now, the end is near
The greens will leave the city broken
Whilst in power, they've done f'all
However lies, they have a spoken

etc
HJ said we should sing to raise morale. My favorite is... And now, the end is near The greens will leave the city broken Whilst in power, they've done f'all However lies, they have a spoken etc I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

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