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New West Sussex car travelling claims for councillors criticised

The Argus: New West Sussex car travelling claims for councillors criticised New West Sussex car travelling claims for councillors criticised

Councillors can now claim nearly 60p per mile for car travel – nearly a quarter more than the equivalent rate for council staff.
 

West Sussex County Council’s decision to increase car allowance expenses for councillors has come under criticism.
 

The new system, introduced in October last year, allows county councillors to claim 59.25p per mile for car travel – up from the previous rate of 53.8p. Staff are only allowed to claim 46.9p per mile, a difference of more than 12p.
 

The new allowances include 2p per mile for parking, even if councillors do not incur parking charges – but councillors can still make a separate parking claim on top for actual costs incurred.
 

West Sussex County Council said its scheme for members’ allowances was reviewed and updated based on averages of other county councils and taking inflation into account.
 

But UKIP councillor Michael Glennon criticised the “excessive” charges at a council Governance Committee meeting on Monday.
 

Coun Glennon said: “If the system is wrong it needs fixing right away. This is public money.
 

“While the governing regime here is out to impose spending cuts of up to £141 million per annum on West Sussex residents over the coming years, this coy attitude to resolving a relatively minor issue is bizarre.
 

“One can only imagine there is a fear it might be perceived as an embarrassing climb-down after my well-documented battles with them on this subject in the council chamber lately.”
 

West Sussex County Council is the most generous local authority when it comes to councillor’s car allowances.
 

Brighton and Hove City Council said its councillors could only claim mileage for travel outside the city boundaries on approved council duties.
 

It pays 45p per mile for cars, 24p per mile for motorcycles and 20p per mile for bicycles – plus an additional 5p per mile for each passenger.
 

Staff are paid 46.9p for the first 8,500 miles in vehicles with engine sizes up to 999cc and 13.7p for every mile after that.
 

Vehicles over 1,000cc are paid 52.2p per mile for the first 8,500 miles and 14.4p for additional mile.
 

Town hall chiefs at East Sussex County Council and staff who contractually need their car to do their job, including social workers, are paid 45p per mile.
 

Staff who do not contractually need a car to do their job are paid 25p per mile.
 

A review of West Sussex County Council’s car allowances will be discussed at the next Governance Committee meeting in March.

 

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8:26am Mon 27 Jan 14

Indigatio says...

A two tier system, one for the bosses and one for the hirelings! There can be no justification for this whatsoever, As for 2p mile extra for parking, That is totally random, why not just reimburse parking costs?
A two tier system, one for the bosses and one for the hirelings! There can be no justification for this whatsoever, As for 2p mile extra for parking, That is totally random, why not just reimburse parking costs? Indigatio
  • Score: 10

8:30am Mon 27 Jan 14

Can this be says...

All seems pretty extraordinary, but can someone please remind me of the HMRC rules on mileage rates. Taxable and NI-able over 45 pence per mile or something like that?

I trust there is no exemption for councillors.
All seems pretty extraordinary, but can someone please remind me of the HMRC rules on mileage rates. Taxable and NI-able over 45 pence per mile or something like that? I trust there is no exemption for councillors. Can this be
  • Score: 11

9:18am Mon 27 Jan 14

Plantpot says...

If people are getting hot under the collar about this, it is almost certainly because they don't understand HMRC rules about claiming mileage allowance.

Why not head off to the HMRC website and have it all explained to you?
If people are getting hot under the collar about this, it is almost certainly because they don't understand HMRC rules about claiming mileage allowance. Why not head off to the HMRC website and have it all explained to you? Plantpot
  • Score: -8

2:56pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ivor b. gunn says...

H.M.rates are 45p per mile if using ur own car.
this is then subject to tax & n.i. contributions.
why pay 65p per mile.
grossly in excess.
well it's a councillor.
can't be trusted.
investigation required & a procecution please.
nearly all councillors don't tell the truth. Most don't now what the truth is.
H.M.rates are 45p per mile if using ur own car. this is then subject to tax & n.i. contributions. why pay 65p per mile. grossly in excess. well it's a councillor. can't be trusted. investigation required & a procecution please. nearly all councillors don't tell the truth. Most don't now what the truth is. ivor b. gunn
  • Score: 1

7:34pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ourcoalition says...

Indigatio wrote:
A two tier system, one for the bosses and one for the hirelings! There can be no justification for this whatsoever, As for 2p mile extra for parking, That is totally random, why not just reimburse parking costs?
It is a well known fact that Councillors are more important than Home Carers, Residential workers, environmental health, noise patrol, and many more.

They deserve 60p a mile - they deserve far more. Paid trips to the Caribbean for a start off - perhaps a massage during meetings - that sort of thing.

Otherwise, the world might end!!!
[quote][p][bold]Indigatio[/bold] wrote: A two tier system, one for the bosses and one for the hirelings! There can be no justification for this whatsoever, As for 2p mile extra for parking, That is totally random, why not just reimburse parking costs?[/p][/quote]It is a well known fact that Councillors are more important than Home Carers, Residential workers, environmental health, noise patrol, and many more. They deserve 60p a mile - they deserve far more. Paid trips to the Caribbean for a start off - perhaps a massage during meetings - that sort of thing. Otherwise, the world might end!!! ourcoalition
  • Score: 1

7:35pm Mon 27 Jan 14

angrymonkey says...

taking the p**S again out of tax payers money .
Did read something funny how they think only 20000 people in Sussex are from eastern Europe do they not walk round the streets seeing them all about here for a easy life with hand outs to send home.
Come on UKIP we need to sort things and look after uk people.
taking the p**S again out of tax payers money . Did read something funny how they think only 20000 people in Sussex are from eastern Europe do they not walk round the streets seeing them all about here for a easy life with hand outs to send home. Come on UKIP we need to sort things and look after uk people. angrymonkey
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Sussex jim says...

Do you want older seasoned and intelligent councillors who are probably semi-retired and deserve a nice big comfortable car after years of hard work to represent you?
Or do you want those with a political chip on their shoulder who dash around on cycles or buses and would not be seen dead in a car (while anyone's looking) so as not to appear un-PC?
Do you want older seasoned and intelligent councillors who are probably semi-retired and deserve a nice big comfortable car after years of hard work to represent you? Or do you want those with a political chip on their shoulder who dash around on cycles or buses and would not be seen dead in a car (while anyone's looking) so as not to appear un-PC? Sussex jim
  • Score: -3

10:21pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ourcoalition says...

Don't want either - just ones who understand that awarding themselves 60p per mile, at the same time as cutting services and jobs, is just a tad insulting, and an inappropriate use of out taxes.

Bit like RBS, today, making billions of pounds of losses and paying bonuses at twice selected staffs salaries.

Either way its wrong and it is us that pay!
Don't want either - just ones who understand that awarding themselves 60p per mile, at the same time as cutting services and jobs, is just a tad insulting, and an inappropriate use of out taxes. Bit like RBS, today, making billions of pounds of losses and paying bonuses at twice selected staffs salaries. Either way its wrong and it is us that pay! ourcoalition
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Mon 27 Jan 14

PopKorn says...

I am the person that rumbled this ruse to pay extra on the mileage rate for parking/tolls and yet also allow these items to be claimed separately in addition. I have been trying since early November to get them to put this right. They have jumped thro hoops to try & avoid doing this. At least now they are getting the bad publicity they deserve. WSCC volunteers get 45p. WSCC staff get 46.7p. Surrey, East Sussex, Hampshire, Kent etc. all get 45p. Why do WSCC members consider that they deserve more? That is not what I call leadership.
I am the person that rumbled this ruse to pay extra on the mileage rate for parking/tolls and yet also allow these items to be claimed separately in addition. I have been trying since early November to get them to put this right. They have jumped thro hoops to try & avoid doing this. At least now they are getting the bad publicity they deserve. WSCC volunteers get 45p. WSCC staff get 46.7p. Surrey, East Sussex, Hampshire, Kent etc. all get 45p. Why do WSCC members consider that they deserve more? That is not what I call leadership. PopKorn
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Tue 28 Jan 14

PopKorn says...

Indigatio wrote:
A two tier system, one for the bosses and one for the hirelings! There can be no justification for this whatsoever, As for 2p mile extra for parking, That is totally random, why not just reimburse parking costs?
They do reimburse parking costs....as well! That is the whole point, the mileage rate has 2p extra per mile included, to cover parking.....but parking is also paid separately as well. So, if they do a trip without any parking charge incurred, they get 'paid to park' AND if they do a trip with parking, they get paid 'twice'. Not bad if you can get it, eh?
[quote][p][bold]Indigatio[/bold] wrote: A two tier system, one for the bosses and one for the hirelings! There can be no justification for this whatsoever, As for 2p mile extra for parking, That is totally random, why not just reimburse parking costs?[/p][/quote]They do reimburse parking costs....as well! That is the whole point, the mileage rate has 2p extra per mile included, to cover parking.....but parking is also paid separately as well. So, if they do a trip without any parking charge incurred, they get 'paid to park' AND if they do a trip with parking, they get paid 'twice'. Not bad if you can get it, eh? PopKorn
  • Score: 0

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