Brighton cannabis club scouts for unofficial dope speakeasies

The Argus: The first meeting of the Brighton Cannabis Club The first meeting of the Brighton Cannabis Club

Cannabis activists hope to work with Green Party politicians to lobby for a change to the law, Brighton’s first cannabis club meeting heard.

The legalisation campaigners will hold a Green Pride march and demonstration in Brighton and Hove this summer.

They also want to find sympathetic venues in the “liberal city” that will allow advocates to smoke and socialise in private.

Advertising the meeting, the United Kingdom Cannabis Social Clubs website said: “Things have been slow in the last decade and it is time there was a new push in one of the country’s most liberal and tolerating places.”

About 30 people gathered at The Hobgoblin pub, in York Place, yesterday for the first public meeting organised by Brighton Cannabis Club.

The group is part of a network of some 50 clubs across the country calling for an end to prohibition, following in the footsteps of Colorado, USA.

Clark French, southern regional manager of the UK Cannabis Club, said: “We really feel that Brighton is a place to gather support.

“It is a liberal city with the only Green council and Green MP and we think we can work with them and get things moving.”

Users told how they turned to cannabis for a mixture of recreational and medicinal reasons.

The group’s admin, a 21-year-old student, who did not wish to give his name, said: “Four years ago my mother took her own life. She was depressed and overdosed on sleeping pills and anti-depressants.

“For that reason when I got depressed I didn’t want to take anti-depressants.

“I’ve got post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety and tremors, and I’ve tried going to the gym and meditation, but the only think that works is cannabis.”

Mr French added: “I was diagnosed with MS in 2010 and cannabis has changed my life.

“I weaned myself off eight different medications and I now save the NHS £16,000 per year by just using cannabis.

“It reduces my symptoms, takes away the pain, helps with balance, eases headaches and helps sleep.”

Critics say the drug is linked to mental health issues in users, but the club say no scientific study has proven the Class-B drug causes schizophrenia.

It wants cannabis to be prescribed by doctors and available to buy for over 18s.

Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas and retired Chief Superintendant Graham Bartlett have called for personal drug use to be decriminalised.

Green councillor Ben Duncan has also called for Dutch-style cannabis cafes.

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10:24am Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

Bring it on ....
Bring it on .... All 9 of me

10:26am Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

and before the anti cannabis brigade get their virtual lynching tools out, please ensure you are not sitting there with a glass or can of drug, as this would make your comens somewhat hypocritical.
and before the anti cannabis brigade get their virtual lynching tools out, please ensure you are not sitting there with a glass or can of drug, as this would make your comens somewhat hypocritical. All 9 of me

10:26am Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

*comments
*comments All 9 of me

10:32am Mon 27 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

The Goofy Greens have been under the influence of something for ages.
The Goofy Greens have been under the influence of something for ages. The Prophet of Doom

10:49am Mon 27 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

Not sure I am clued up enough on first hand use of cannabis, but I daresay I'll be enlightened in further comments. I think it's proper to a certain extent to allow people to take into and do what they will with their own bodies, should this not lead to behaviour that hurts other people. Can we learn, from a crime > punishment with regards SOLELY to intoxication from cannabis from our alcohol legislation and build a framework? Were it likely to be decriminalised of course...

From a supply point of view, I cynically suspect that unless it can be taxed and regulated and earn Osbourne a few quid then it won't get started, and that'll be the first system in place.

The flaws are several though, initially with regards to my first piece of speculation, where is the line drawn? According to that argument's interpretation, is heroin ok? I'm inclined to say not but, then again, I've no idea as I take neither! FURTHER even to THAT, do I have an informed a perspective enough to pass comment?

Personally, the law as it stands is clear and cannabis is illegal. If we examine why with a view to re-classification are we gaining liberty in some way or eroding respect for that law/system of laws.

Long way of saying it affects me very little, and I don't really think I know or care either way!
Not sure I am clued up enough on first hand use of cannabis, but I daresay I'll be enlightened in further comments. I think it's proper to a certain extent to allow people to take into and do what they will with their own bodies, should this not lead to behaviour that hurts other people. Can we learn, from a crime > punishment with regards SOLELY to intoxication from cannabis from our alcohol legislation and build a framework? Were it likely to be decriminalised of course... From a supply point of view, I cynically suspect that unless it can be taxed and regulated and earn Osbourne a few quid then it won't get started, and that'll be the first system in place. The flaws are several though, initially with regards to my first piece of speculation, where is the line drawn? According to that argument's interpretation, is heroin ok? I'm inclined to say not but, then again, I've no idea as I take neither! FURTHER even to THAT, do I have an informed a perspective enough to pass comment? Personally, the law as it stands is clear and cannabis is illegal. If we examine why with a view to re-classification are we gaining liberty in some way or eroding respect for that law/system of laws. Long way of saying it affects me very little, and I don't really think I know or care either way! JerryOnly

11:55am Mon 27 Jan 14

Poem58 says...

Don't touch 'wacky baccy' myself but can see the argument that cannabis, booze, smoking and caffeine are ALL drugs that we should think twice about before introducing into our bodies. And that's without mentioning the masses of prescription medication distributed like confetti these days.

I am convinced that a good proportion of road rage incidents are caused by drivers 'under the influence' of strong coffee. It buzzes you up... gets the heart racing.... woe betide anyone maneuvering their vehicle (or bike...) in the way when you're in that frame of mind.

And then there's that beer - charmingly known as 'wife beater' - while cigarettes can lead to a prolonged and painful death.

So it has to be said that cannabis does seem to be one of the gentler intoxicants.
Don't touch 'wacky baccy' myself but can see the argument that cannabis, booze, smoking and caffeine are ALL drugs that we should think twice about before introducing into our bodies. And that's without mentioning the masses of prescription medication distributed like confetti these days. I am convinced that a good proportion of road rage incidents are caused by drivers 'under the influence' of strong coffee. It buzzes you up... gets the heart racing.... woe betide anyone maneuvering their vehicle (or bike...) in the way when you're in that frame of mind. And then there's that beer - charmingly known as 'wife beater' - while cigarettes can lead to a prolonged and painful death. So it has to be said that cannabis does seem to be one of the gentler intoxicants. Poem58

12:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

JerryOnly says...

^ Fair points, but doesn't the smoking of cannabis put it on a par with cigarettes? How carcinogenic is it? As in, I genuinely don't know, not attempting any shirty-ness.
^ Fair points, but doesn't the smoking of cannabis put it on a par with cigarettes? How carcinogenic is it? As in, I genuinely don't know, not attempting any shirty-ness. JerryOnly

12:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Babs Stanley says...

The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years.

The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms.

Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions.

If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content.

CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum.

The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us. Find out the truth about cannabis for yourself.
The British people have been systematically misled and deceived about cannabis for nearly 100 years. The truth is that the impact of cannabis on mental health and all aspects of our health services is infinitesimally small. That's not to say it is harmless but peanut allergy causes more health harms. The facts of hospital admissions and the numbers in treatment show that cannabis is a trivial cause of problems and irrelevant in public health terms. Not only are the harms of cannabis far less than tobacco, alcohol, all POM and OTC medicines but scientists now recognise that for most adults, in moderation, it's actually good for you. Cannabis is a natural supplement to our endocannabinoid system and helps to protect against autoimmune condiutions such as diabetes and cancer. It is also neuroprotective and promotes neurogenesisn which is why it is useful for the treatment of brain injury, stroke, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. In fact, the US government holds a patent for the use of cannabinoids in the treatment of such conditions. If we introduced a legally regulated system we would solve nearly all the problems around cannabis. We'd have no more illegal and dangerous cannabis farms destroying property and causing fires. Instead we'd have thousands of new jobs. We'd have no more dealers on the streets. Cannabis would be available to adults only through licensed outlets and we'd have some control over the THC and CBD content. CLEAR Cannabis Law Reform published independent, expert research in 2011 which shows that a tax and regulate policy on cannabis would produce a net gain to the UK economy of up to £9.3 billion per annum. The rest of the word is leaving Britain behind and taking advantage of the huge financial and health benefits of cannabis. It is a scandal that our government, our judges, our courts, our police and our newspapers keep misleading us. Find out the truth about cannabis for yourself. Babs Stanley

12:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this? fredflintstone1

12:29pm Mon 27 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
The Goofy Greens have been under the influence of something for ages.
That's probably why they filled in several bowling greens to plant wild flowers on probably poppies.
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: The Goofy Greens have been under the influence of something for ages.[/p][/quote]That's probably why they filled in several bowling greens to plant wild flowers on probably poppies. clubrob6

12:38pm Mon 27 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

Lets be honest the police ignore the use of cannabis in brighton basically you walk down the seafront and the smell is in the air especially on summer evenings.I think things should be left as they are to me drugs have made nightlife very upredictable .
Lets be honest the police ignore the use of cannabis in brighton basically you walk down the seafront and the smell is in the air especially on summer evenings.I think things should be left as they are to me drugs have made nightlife very upredictable . clubrob6

12:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Babs Stanley says...

JerryOnly wrote:
^ Fair points, but doesn't the smoking of cannabis put it on a par with cigarettes? How carcinogenic is it? As in, I genuinely don't know, not attempting any shirty-ness.
The most dangerous and harmful thing about cannabis is mixing it with tobacco.

However, the extraordinary evidence is that cannabis seems to protect against the carcinogenic effects of tobacco. Even more remarkable is that those who smoke neat cannabis develop less COPD and fewer cancers than those who smoke nothing at all!

Tashkin et al 2006 http://cebp.aacrjour
nals.org/content/15/
10/1829
Pletcher et al 2012 http://jama.jamanetw
ork.com/article.aspx
?articleid=1104848
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: ^ Fair points, but doesn't the smoking of cannabis put it on a par with cigarettes? How carcinogenic is it? As in, I genuinely don't know, not attempting any shirty-ness.[/p][/quote]The most dangerous and harmful thing about cannabis is mixing it with tobacco. However, the extraordinary evidence is that cannabis seems to protect against the carcinogenic effects of tobacco. Even more remarkable is that those who smoke neat cannabis develop less COPD and fewer cancers than those who smoke nothing at all! Tashkin et al 2006 http://cebp.aacrjour nals.org/content/15/ 10/1829 Pletcher et al 2012 http://jama.jamanetw ork.com/article.aspx ?articleid=1104848 Babs Stanley

12:48pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Cave Johnson says...

Have they forgotten that you cannot smoke in a venue or public place, so even if cannabis WAS legal they still couldn't smoke it in a club, haha.

Oh and was this self diagnosed post traumatic stress disorder? Don't make me laugh. You are just weak and looking for sympathy. Grow up.
Have they forgotten that you cannot smoke in a venue or public place, so even if cannabis WAS legal they still couldn't smoke it in a club, haha. Oh and was this self diagnosed post traumatic stress disorder? Don't make me laugh. You are just weak and looking for sympathy. Grow up. Cave Johnson

12:54pm Mon 27 Jan 14

LB says...

Every time I read the headline I think Cub Scouts are looking to open cannabis cafes.

It's not what Baden-Powell envisaged for bob a job week.
Every time I read the headline I think Cub Scouts are looking to open cannabis cafes. It's not what Baden-Powell envisaged for bob a job week. LB

1:02pm Mon 27 Jan 14

nol van schaik says...

NO!!

I think it is better the UK smokers keep coming to the Netherlands, they spend a billion of pounds here!!
Please, keep cannabis illegal, my coffeeshops in the Netherlands would go bankrupt!! Stop this dumb idea, which would make the Billion pounds in the UK!!!

(satire off)
NO!! I think it is better the UK smokers keep coming to the Netherlands, they spend a billion of pounds here!! Please, keep cannabis illegal, my coffeeshops in the Netherlands would go bankrupt!! Stop this dumb idea, which would make the Billion pounds in the UK!!! (satire off) nol van schaik

1:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Marcus D. says...

JerryOnly wrote:
^ Fair points, but doesn't the smoking of cannabis put it on a par with cigarettes? How carcinogenic is it? As in, I genuinely don't know, not attempting any shirty-ness.
Here is a 20 year long study from the journal of the American medical association: http://jama.jamanetw
ork.com/article.aspx
?articleid=1104848

Here is the conclusion for you:
we found strong statistical evidence that associations between marijuana use and pulmonary function were nonlinear (Figure 2, Table 3). At low lifetime exposure levels, increasing marijuana use was associated with a steep increase in both FEV1 (13 mL/joint-year higher , P < .001) and FVC (20 mL/joint-year higher , P < .001), but at higher levels of exposure (>7 joint-years), the slope leveled or even turned downward. At more than 10 joint-years of lifetime exposure, we found a nonsignificant decline in FEV1 (−2.2 mL/joint-year , P = .08) but a significant decline in FEV1 at more than 20 episodes of marijuana use per month (−3.2 mL/episode , P = .02). Although net associations with FEV1 became negative at very high exposure levels (>40 joint-years or >25 episodes/mo), these negative deflections were not statistically significant (Table 3). FVC remained significantly elevated in even heavy
users (eg, 76 mL at 20 joint-years).

I believe users ranged from a joint a day to a joint a week. in conclusion the cannabis smoke was at worst harmless and at best, slightly beneficial. Noone has ever gotten lung cancer from smoking cannabis. They might say "but there is a risk", but its still never happened.
[quote][p][bold]JerryOnly[/bold] wrote: ^ Fair points, but doesn't the smoking of cannabis put it on a par with cigarettes? How carcinogenic is it? As in, I genuinely don't know, not attempting any shirty-ness.[/p][/quote]Here is a 20 year long study from the journal of the American medical association: http://jama.jamanetw ork.com/article.aspx ?articleid=1104848 Here is the conclusion for you: we found strong statistical evidence that associations between marijuana use and pulmonary function were nonlinear (Figure 2, Table 3). At low lifetime exposure levels, increasing marijuana use was associated with a steep increase in both FEV1 (13 mL/joint-year higher [95% CI, 6.4 to 20], P < .001) and FVC (20 mL/joint-year higher [95% CI, 12 to 27], P < .001), but at higher levels of exposure (>7 joint-years), the slope leveled or even turned downward. At more than 10 joint-years of lifetime exposure, we found a nonsignificant decline in FEV1 (−2.2 mL/joint-year [95% CI, −4.8 to 0.3], P = .08) but a significant decline in FEV1 at more than 20 episodes of marijuana use per month (−3.2 mL/episode [95% CI, −5.8 to −0.6], P = .02). Although net associations with FEV1 became negative at very high exposure levels (>40 joint-years or >25 episodes/mo), these negative deflections were not statistically significant (Table 3). FVC remained significantly elevated in even heavy users (eg, 76 mL [95% CI, 34 to 117; P < .001] at 20 joint-years). I believe users ranged from a joint a day to a joint a week. in conclusion the cannabis smoke was at worst harmless and at best, slightly beneficial. Noone has ever gotten lung cancer from smoking cannabis. They might say "but there is a risk", but its still never happened. Marcus D.

1:59pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Babs Stanley says...

Cave Johnson wrote:
Have they forgotten that you cannot smoke in a venue or public place, so even if cannabis WAS legal they still couldn't smoke it in a club, haha.

Oh and was this self diagnosed post traumatic stress disorder? Don't make me laugh. You are just weak and looking for sympathy. Grow up.
There is no real justification for wanting to smoke cannabis in a public place.

The new laws in Colorado and Washington prohibit smoking cannabis in public.

It is a stupid idea that somehow smoking cannabis in public in defiance of the law will achieve legalisation. It hasn't and it won't. In fact it gives the government an excellent excuse not even to consider it.

It is the unruly, anti social behaviour of people who laughably call themselves cannabis campaigners for smoking dope in public that holds back reform in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: Have they forgotten that you cannot smoke in a venue or public place, so even if cannabis WAS legal they still couldn't smoke it in a club, haha. Oh and was this self diagnosed post traumatic stress disorder? Don't make me laugh. You are just weak and looking for sympathy. Grow up.[/p][/quote]There is no real justification for wanting to smoke cannabis in a public place. The new laws in Colorado and Washington prohibit smoking cannabis in public. It is a stupid idea that somehow smoking cannabis in public in defiance of the law will achieve legalisation. It hasn't and it won't. In fact it gives the government an excellent excuse not even to consider it. It is the unruly, anti social behaviour of people who laughably call themselves cannabis campaigners for smoking dope in public that holds back reform in the UK. Babs Stanley

2:48pm Mon 27 Jan 14

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

Cannabis should be made legal for both medicinal and recreational use. However, we should not follow the Dutch model of having cannabis cafes and it should still be banned from use in public places.

Those who wish to smoke should be allowed to in the comfort of their own homes (or their friends homes).

We tend to follow in whatever America does so it won't be too long before we see licensed retailers selling a variety of hashes, skunks and oils.

Given that growing cannabis is a very straightforward process it will be interesting to see that, should it be made legal, how the government will be able to prevent people cultivating their own personal supplies at home and avoid the inevitable high prices/taxes the government would introduce.
Cannabis should be made legal for both medicinal and recreational use. However, we should not follow the Dutch model of having cannabis cafes and it should still be banned from use in public places. Those who wish to smoke should be allowed to in the comfort of their own homes (or their friends homes). We tend to follow in whatever America does so it won't be too long before we see licensed retailers selling a variety of hashes, skunks and oils. Given that growing cannabis is a very straightforward process it will be interesting to see that, should it be made legal, how the government will be able to prevent people cultivating their own personal supplies at home and avoid the inevitable high prices/taxes the government would introduce. uniteagainstparkingcharges

2:52pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

How about trying six to eight glasses of water per day to help feel better about yourself?

Sit-ups and a good diet of fruit and vegetables can help too.
How about trying six to eight glasses of water per day to help feel better about yourself? Sit-ups and a good diet of fruit and vegetables can help too. Crystal Ball

3:05pm Mon 27 Jan 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

There's already a Dope club at the Town Hall everytime the Greens meet
There's already a Dope club at the Town Hall everytime the Greens meet upsidedowntuctuc

3:35pm Mon 27 Jan 14

beano mcbean says...

Does anyone remember the show Adam Faith presented about this? Waccy after eights are the way forward.
Does anyone remember the show Adam Faith presented about this? Waccy after eights are the way forward. beano mcbean

4:42pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Richada says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
....and my bin please!

Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot.

With apologies for the terrible pun there.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?[/p][/quote]....and my bin please! Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot. With apologies for the terrible pun there. Richada

4:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

Lets be clear, This is an attempt by the Greens to win support of more students, Its desperation if ever I saw it.

Vote greens, Get stoned
Lets be clear, This is an attempt by the Greens to win support of more students, Its desperation if ever I saw it. Vote greens, Get stoned Brighton1000

4:53pm Mon 27 Jan 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

I think you should be able to cultivate cannabis for your own personal use. I don't necessarily agree that there should be cannabis cafes, but legalising it for personal use would save millions of pounds in police prosecutions and court costs. Also it has great pain-relieving benefits and hemp can be used for so many things like paper, fabric and rope. There has never been a single death from cannabis, unlike ever other 'legal' drug.
I think you should be able to cultivate cannabis for your own personal use. I don't necessarily agree that there should be cannabis cafes, but legalising it for personal use would save millions of pounds in police prosecutions and court costs. Also it has great pain-relieving benefits and hemp can be used for so many things like paper, fabric and rope. There has never been a single death from cannabis, unlike ever other 'legal' drug. thevoiceoftruth

5:37pm Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

Richada wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
....and my bin please!

Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot.

With apologies for the terrible pun there.
If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?[/p][/quote]....and my bin please! Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot. With apologies for the terrible pun there.[/p][/quote]If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority. All 9 of me

5:40pm Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

example : Facebook ... people will gladly post photographs of themselves in outrageous states of drunkenness, or boast how much they had to drink the previous night while writing the classic 'hanging out of my ar5e' status update.....
example : Facebook ... people will gladly post photographs of themselves in outrageous states of drunkenness, or boast how much they had to drink the previous night while writing the classic 'hanging out of my ar5e' status update..... All 9 of me

5:52pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Richada says...

All 9 of me wrote:
Richada wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
....and my bin please!

Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot.

With apologies for the terrible pun there.
If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.
Really? We must have a very "square" circle of friends I guess!
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?[/p][/quote]....and my bin please! Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot. With apologies for the terrible pun there.[/p][/quote]If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Really? We must have a very "square" circle of friends I guess! Richada

5:54pm Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

Richada wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
Richada wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
....and my bin please!

Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot.

With apologies for the terrible pun there.
If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.
Really? We must have a very &quot;square" circle of friends I guess!
These are your words, I don't think labelling people is helpful, my point was that cannabis use is more prevalent than you think.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?[/p][/quote]....and my bin please! Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot. With apologies for the terrible pun there.[/p][/quote]If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Really? We must have a very "square" circle of friends I guess![/p][/quote]These are your words, I don't think labelling people is helpful, my point was that cannabis use is more prevalent than you think. All 9 of me

6:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

STEVE THE RED says...

I happen to dislike cannabis and am concerned as to the effect of long term over use (abuse) in relation to paranoia. However I love Russian Vodka, smoke tobacco and hate whisky and most types of alcohol. I have chosen my poison and if I had been aware of the health risks when I made that choice my lifestyle would possibly be different. I DO know that my smoking is far more harmful to others and me that the recreational use of weed. I also know that the abuse of cannabis is, as is alcohol, likely to lead to mental health problems.

We need rational, logical and well informed policies but this is unlikely given the political culture in England.

By the way, I visited a cannabis cafe in Worthing five or six years ago and the social vibes were excellent!

Politically it is important to remember that there is always something "more important" as though we cannot consider more than one issue at a time. For people who are suffering and cannabis provides at least a little comfort from agony there may be nothing else in their lives that is more important. They may be unable to contribute to the eradication of poverty and war or even a better service from their Local Authority unless they have this drug to allow a tolerable quality of life that allows them to contribute to the wellbeing of others.

Well done - Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas, retired Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett, and Councillor Ben Duncan, at least you are contributing to a rational discussion!
I happen to dislike cannabis and am concerned as to the effect of long term over use (abuse) in relation to paranoia. However I love Russian Vodka, smoke tobacco and hate whisky and most types of alcohol. I have chosen my poison and if I had been aware of the health risks when I made that choice my lifestyle would possibly be different. I DO know that my smoking is far more harmful to others and me that the recreational use of weed. I also know that the abuse of cannabis is, as is alcohol, likely to lead to mental health problems. We need rational, logical and well informed policies but this is unlikely given the political culture in England. By the way, I visited a cannabis cafe in Worthing five or six years ago and the social vibes were excellent! Politically it is important to remember that there is always something "more important" as though we cannot consider more than one issue at a time. For people who are suffering and cannabis provides at least a little comfort from agony there may be nothing else in their lives that is more important. They may be unable to contribute to the eradication of poverty and war or even a better service from their Local Authority unless they have this drug to allow a tolerable quality of life that allows them to contribute to the wellbeing of others. Well done - Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas, retired Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett, and Councillor Ben Duncan, at least you are contributing to a rational discussion! STEVE THE RED

7:01pm Mon 27 Jan 14

sussexram40 says...

Presumably you wouldn't be in the cannabis club unless you smoked cannabis. It is impossible to smoke it without being in possession of it. It is impossible to be in possession of it without buying it from drug dealers. So why aren't the Police bringing these people in, or putting them under surveillance so they can arrest some drug dealers? I bet their mobile phones would lead back to half the drug dealers in the city.

As for ban on smoking, I think it applies to smoking tobacco in public places so cannabis smoking would be exempt from the law? You just wouldn't be allowed to mix it with tobacco if you wanted to smoke it in public. Same rule applies in a lot of Amsterdam coffee shops I think. You can smoke cannabis but can't add tobacco.
Presumably you wouldn't be in the cannabis club unless you smoked cannabis. It is impossible to smoke it without being in possession of it. It is impossible to be in possession of it without buying it from drug dealers. So why aren't the Police bringing these people in, or putting them under surveillance so they can arrest some drug dealers? I bet their mobile phones would lead back to half the drug dealers in the city. As for ban on smoking, I think it applies to smoking tobacco in public places so cannabis smoking would be exempt from the law? You just wouldn't be allowed to mix it with tobacco if you wanted to smoke it in public. Same rule applies in a lot of Amsterdam coffee shops I think. You can smoke cannabis but can't add tobacco. sussexram40

7:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

STEVE THE RED says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Presumably you wouldn't be in the cannabis club unless you smoked cannabis. It is impossible to smoke it without being in possession of it. It is impossible to be in possession of it without buying it from drug dealers. So why aren't the Police bringing these people in, or putting them under surveillance so they can arrest some drug dealers? I bet their mobile phones would lead back to half the drug dealers in the city.

As for ban on smoking, I think it applies to smoking tobacco in public places so cannabis smoking would be exempt from the law? You just wouldn't be allowed to mix it with tobacco if you wanted to smoke it in public. Same rule applies in a lot of Amsterdam coffee shops I think. You can smoke cannabis but can't add tobacco.
I had never heard of the "Cannabis Club" until reading this article and I do not use cannabis - all I am saying is let us be rational and informed.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Presumably you wouldn't be in the cannabis club unless you smoked cannabis. It is impossible to smoke it without being in possession of it. It is impossible to be in possession of it without buying it from drug dealers. So why aren't the Police bringing these people in, or putting them under surveillance so they can arrest some drug dealers? I bet their mobile phones would lead back to half the drug dealers in the city. As for ban on smoking, I think it applies to smoking tobacco in public places so cannabis smoking would be exempt from the law? You just wouldn't be allowed to mix it with tobacco if you wanted to smoke it in public. Same rule applies in a lot of Amsterdam coffee shops I think. You can smoke cannabis but can't add tobacco.[/p][/quote]I had never heard of the "Cannabis Club" until reading this article and I do not use cannabis - all I am saying is let us be rational and informed. STEVE THE RED

8:06pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I don't care if people want to smoke weed but I wish they would do it indoors as skunk makes people stink of **** and old ladies' damp bungalows and most have bad teeth.
I don't care if people want to smoke weed but I wish they would do it indoors as skunk makes people stink of **** and old ladies' damp bungalows and most have bad teeth. Maxwell's Ghost

9:05pm Mon 27 Jan 14

rayellerton says...

Green Pride as mentioned in the article is nothing to do with the Green party or council, the Green in this case is the cannabis plant. just sayin...
Green Pride as mentioned in the article is nothing to do with the Green party or council, the Green in this case is the cannabis plant. just sayin... rayellerton

9:16pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ronrostog says...

I understand someone in physical pain wanting to use it but would this reason be used as much if it was given as medical cannabis in tablet form for example to relieve said pain and not to get high? Other than that argument for legislation of it, every person I have ever met who gives me the same old **** about cannabis is 'okay to use' or 'it helps me with my problems so it should be decriminalised' is deluded. Or just a fibber. Come on wacky baccy (wonder why they call it that eh?) merchants, admit it, you just want to get stoned. In my experience potheads are lethargic, or bores who think they talk sense but actually talk ****, or can't hold down a job, or have some kind of mental health issue (including sitting at home half the time full of paranoia) or worse, end up sectioned. Just a few things some of the pro dope lobby will say are not due to cannabis usage.. Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either (I think that alcohol needs more stringent controls again) I will say legalising another drug is not the best way forward in my humble opinion. Oh, it won't stop crime either for those who say it will. Criminals are that by definition and will move onto other drugs, push forward even more heavy duty smoking **** or just plain undercut the government of the heavily taxed legal joints that would be available. We are gradually ridding ourselves of tobacco in society. Let's not now introduce some more harmful in-a-much shorter- period-of-time crap eh? Maybe though that's what the powers that be really want on the quiet.. Get rid of fags but get the tax back by legalising cannabis. Wonderful.....not.
I understand someone in physical pain wanting to use it but would this reason be used as much if it was given as medical cannabis in tablet form for example to relieve said pain and not to get high? Other than that argument for legislation of it, every person I have ever met who gives me the same old **** about cannabis is 'okay to use' or 'it helps me with my problems so it should be decriminalised' is deluded. Or just a fibber. Come on wacky baccy (wonder why they call it that eh?) merchants, admit it, you just want to get stoned. In my experience potheads are lethargic, or bores who think they talk sense but actually talk ****, or can't hold down a job, or have some kind of mental health issue (including sitting at home half the time full of paranoia) or worse, end up sectioned. Just a few things some of the pro dope lobby will say are not due to cannabis usage.. Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either (I think that alcohol needs more stringent controls again) I will say legalising another drug is not the best way forward in my humble opinion. Oh, it won't stop crime either for those who say it will. Criminals are that by definition and will move onto other drugs, push forward even more heavy duty smoking **** or just plain undercut the government of the heavily taxed legal joints that would be available. We are gradually ridding ourselves of tobacco in society. Let's not now introduce some more harmful in-a-much shorter- period-of-time crap eh? Maybe though that's what the powers that be really want on the quiet.. Get rid of fags but get the tax back by legalising cannabis. Wonderful.....not. ronrostog

10:17pm Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

ronrostog wrote:
I understand someone in physical pain wanting to use it but would this reason be used as much if it was given as medical cannabis in tablet form for example to relieve said pain and not to get high? Other than that argument for legislation of it, every person I have ever met who gives me the same old **** about cannabis is 'okay to use' or 'it helps me with my problems so it should be decriminalised' is deluded. Or just a fibber. Come on wacky baccy (wonder why they call it that eh?) merchants, admit it, you just want to get stoned. In my experience potheads are lethargic, or bores who think they talk sense but actually talk ****, or can't hold down a job, or have some kind of mental health issue (including sitting at home half the time full of paranoia) or worse, end up sectioned. Just a few things some of the pro dope lobby will say are not due to cannabis usage.. Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either (I think that alcohol needs more stringent controls again) I will say legalising another drug is not the best way forward in my humble opinion. Oh, it won't stop crime either for those who say it will. Criminals are that by definition and will move onto other drugs, push forward even more heavy duty smoking **** or just plain undercut the government of the heavily taxed legal joints that would be available. We are gradually ridding ourselves of tobacco in society. Let's not now introduce some more harmful in-a-much shorter- period-of-time crap eh? Maybe though that's what the powers that be really want on the quiet.. Get rid of fags but get the tax back by legalising cannabis. Wonderful.....not.
I bet you were the life and soul of those parties, eh ! .
" Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. "
Then, in the next sentence, you contradict all that and also the rant previously, by stating :
" And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either "......... so what exactly is it you are trying to say ? I am not sure from your post that you are even sure yourself. Do you ever drink alcohol ? What are the reasons you drink alcohol if you do ? Basically old fruit, your argument doesn't stand up, I suggest you have a rethink.
[quote][p][bold]ronrostog[/bold] wrote: I understand someone in physical pain wanting to use it but would this reason be used as much if it was given as medical cannabis in tablet form for example to relieve said pain and not to get high? Other than that argument for legislation of it, every person I have ever met who gives me the same old **** about cannabis is 'okay to use' or 'it helps me with my problems so it should be decriminalised' is deluded. Or just a fibber. Come on wacky baccy (wonder why they call it that eh?) merchants, admit it, you just want to get stoned. In my experience potheads are lethargic, or bores who think they talk sense but actually talk ****, or can't hold down a job, or have some kind of mental health issue (including sitting at home half the time full of paranoia) or worse, end up sectioned. Just a few things some of the pro dope lobby will say are not due to cannabis usage.. Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either (I think that alcohol needs more stringent controls again) I will say legalising another drug is not the best way forward in my humble opinion. Oh, it won't stop crime either for those who say it will. Criminals are that by definition and will move onto other drugs, push forward even more heavy duty smoking **** or just plain undercut the government of the heavily taxed legal joints that would be available. We are gradually ridding ourselves of tobacco in society. Let's not now introduce some more harmful in-a-much shorter- period-of-time crap eh? Maybe though that's what the powers that be really want on the quiet.. Get rid of fags but get the tax back by legalising cannabis. Wonderful.....not.[/p][/quote]I bet you were the life and soul of those parties, eh ! . " Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. " Then, in the next sentence, you contradict all that and also the rant previously, by stating : " And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either "......... so what exactly is it you are trying to say ? I am not sure from your post that you are even sure yourself. Do you ever drink alcohol ? What are the reasons you drink alcohol if you do ? Basically old fruit, your argument doesn't stand up, I suggest you have a rethink. All 9 of me

10:19pm Mon 27 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I don't care if people want to smoke weed but I wish they would do it indoors as skunk makes people stink of **** and old ladies' damp bungalows and most have bad teeth.
nothing like a sweeping generalisation to add to a debate, isn't that right Mr. I cycle 40 miles a day and my sweaty b@lls permeate my workplace, but my colleagues are too polite to mention it ...


Like I said before here and on other threads, labels don't work these days, haven't you noticed it is the age of the self ?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I don't care if people want to smoke weed but I wish they would do it indoors as skunk makes people stink of **** and old ladies' damp bungalows and most have bad teeth.[/p][/quote]nothing like a sweeping generalisation to add to a debate, isn't that right Mr. I cycle 40 miles a day and my sweaty b@lls permeate my workplace, but my colleagues are too polite to mention it ... Like I said before here and on other threads, labels don't work these days, haven't you noticed it is the age of the self ? All 9 of me

10:41pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ronrostog says...

All 9 of me wrote:
ronrostog wrote: I understand someone in physical pain wanting to use it but would this reason be used as much if it was given as medical cannabis in tablet form for example to relieve said pain and not to get high? Other than that argument for legislation of it, every person I have ever met who gives me the same old **** about cannabis is 'okay to use' or 'it helps me with my problems so it should be decriminalised' is deluded. Or just a fibber. Come on wacky baccy (wonder why they call it that eh?) merchants, admit it, you just want to get stoned. In my experience potheads are lethargic, or bores who think they talk sense but actually talk ****, or can't hold down a job, or have some kind of mental health issue (including sitting at home half the time full of paranoia) or worse, end up sectioned. Just a few things some of the pro dope lobby will say are not due to cannabis usage.. Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either (I think that alcohol needs more stringent controls again) I will say legalising another drug is not the best way forward in my humble opinion. Oh, it won't stop crime either for those who say it will. Criminals are that by definition and will move onto other drugs, push forward even more heavy duty smoking **** or just plain undercut the government of the heavily taxed legal joints that would be available. We are gradually ridding ourselves of tobacco in society. Let's not now introduce some more harmful in-a-much shorter- period-of-time crap eh? Maybe though that's what the powers that be really want on the quiet.. Get rid of fags but get the tax back by legalising cannabis. Wonderful.....not.
I bet you were the life and soul of those parties, eh ! . &quot; Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. " Then, in the next sentence, you contradict all that and also the rant previously, by stating : " And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either "......... so what exactly is it you are trying to say ? I am not sure from your post that you are even sure yourself. Do you ever drink alcohol ? What are the reasons you drink alcohol if you do ? Basically old fruit, your argument doesn't stand up, I suggest you have a rethink.
Sorry old fruit, I will be a little clearer. I didn't want to be accused of saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad. as this is another argument put forward by pro cannabis users who say this is not the case. I happen to agree with this. Does not make my reasons for what I have seen or know any less valid. Yep, I like a pint of bitter when watching the footy and a whisky now and again but only in a pub (or legalised drug taking venue as only an illegal drug taker would say to justify their illegal drug taking). Reasons? Er. out to watch the footy mainly. Or of late, a couple of funerals. That okay with you? Thanks in advance.
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronrostog[/bold] wrote: I understand someone in physical pain wanting to use it but would this reason be used as much if it was given as medical cannabis in tablet form for example to relieve said pain and not to get high? Other than that argument for legislation of it, every person I have ever met who gives me the same old **** about cannabis is 'okay to use' or 'it helps me with my problems so it should be decriminalised' is deluded. Or just a fibber. Come on wacky baccy (wonder why they call it that eh?) merchants, admit it, you just want to get stoned. In my experience potheads are lethargic, or bores who think they talk sense but actually talk ****, or can't hold down a job, or have some kind of mental health issue (including sitting at home half the time full of paranoia) or worse, end up sectioned. Just a few things some of the pro dope lobby will say are not due to cannabis usage.. Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either (I think that alcohol needs more stringent controls again) I will say legalising another drug is not the best way forward in my humble opinion. Oh, it won't stop crime either for those who say it will. Criminals are that by definition and will move onto other drugs, push forward even more heavy duty smoking **** or just plain undercut the government of the heavily taxed legal joints that would be available. We are gradually ridding ourselves of tobacco in society. Let's not now introduce some more harmful in-a-much shorter- period-of-time crap eh? Maybe though that's what the powers that be really want on the quiet.. Get rid of fags but get the tax back by legalising cannabis. Wonderful.....not.[/p][/quote]I bet you were the life and soul of those parties, eh ! . " Smoked it in my youth myself at parties, mate's houses etc. and felt/saw the side effects and still see them today with foolish pals who didn't stop and realise what a dangerous drug it really is and even more foolish pals who think letting their offspring use it is harmless. It isn't as one poor sod found out to his cost recently. " Then, in the next sentence, you contradict all that and also the rant previously, by stating : " And although I am not saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad either "......... so what exactly is it you are trying to say ? I am not sure from your post that you are even sure yourself. Do you ever drink alcohol ? What are the reasons you drink alcohol if you do ? Basically old fruit, your argument doesn't stand up, I suggest you have a rethink.[/p][/quote]Sorry old fruit, I will be a little clearer. I didn't want to be accused of saying alcohol is good and cannabis is bad. as this is another argument put forward by pro cannabis users who say this is not the case. I happen to agree with this. Does not make my reasons for what I have seen or know any less valid. Yep, I like a pint of bitter when watching the footy and a whisky now and again but only in a pub (or legalised drug taking venue as only an illegal drug taker would say to justify their illegal drug taking). Reasons? Er. out to watch the footy mainly. Or of late, a couple of funerals. That okay with you? Thanks in advance. ronrostog

10:43pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Hah all nine of me, just look at the photo. Hippy girl with beads in her hair and skinny wee lads with sallow skin. I remember the days of pot head mates sitting in their dark rented rooms with ceiling drapes, trying to play Hotel California on a crappy guitar and reading Jonathan Livingston Seagull stinking the house out with patchouli oil talking about fractals. Funny most are now health freaks, slipping into Lycra and getting 130 mile Sunday ride under their belts, having their teeth whitened and reminiscing about years traipsing the streets trying to score an eighth.
Seriously though all nine of me, skunk really stinks nasty. My mums in her 80s and says it smells like my dad's socks when he served in the Middle East. Can't imagine what that's like, probably like my sweaty Lycra you seem quite taken with.
Hah all nine of me, just look at the photo. Hippy girl with beads in her hair and skinny wee lads with sallow skin. I remember the days of pot head mates sitting in their dark rented rooms with ceiling drapes, trying to play Hotel California on a crappy guitar and reading Jonathan Livingston Seagull stinking the house out with patchouli oil talking about fractals. Funny most are now health freaks, slipping into Lycra and getting 130 mile Sunday ride under their belts, having their teeth whitened and reminiscing about years traipsing the streets trying to score an eighth. Seriously though all nine of me, skunk really stinks nasty. My mums in her 80s and says it smells like my dad's socks when he served in the Middle East. Can't imagine what that's like, probably like my sweaty Lycra you seem quite taken with. Maxwell's Ghost

2:10am Tue 28 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

I definitely think it should be decriminalised so that police resources aren't wasted trying to control the drug, people can make their own mistakes as far as I'm concerned. If decriminalisation also de-glamorises the drug, could be a good thing if it deters some of the really young kids from getting a habit going. I also think it has it's place medicinally.

Apart from that, I think the positives that are often talked about for every-day recreational use are total myths. It won't make you more creative, won't make you sleep better and you'll feel more chilled out and less anxious if you never touch the stuff. The stuff people smoke now is also quite far removed from what Bob Marley and others from his time enjoyed, it's actually quite a heavy drug these days. For good reason most young people (myself included) give it up and leave it behind, but I know a few who never kicked the habit and it's quite sad to see the effect it's slowly had on their personalities and lifestyle.

Hopefully most of these kids in the cannabis club will at some point come to the realisation that they don't need it, they're better off without it, look back and wonder why they wasted so much time and money numbing themselves day in day out.
I definitely think it should be decriminalised so that police resources aren't wasted trying to control the drug, people can make their own mistakes as far as I'm concerned. If decriminalisation also de-glamorises the drug, could be a good thing if it deters some of the really young kids from getting a habit going. I also think it has it's place medicinally. Apart from that, I think the positives that are often talked about for every-day recreational use are total myths. It won't make you more creative, won't make you sleep better and you'll feel more chilled out and less anxious if you never touch the stuff. The stuff people smoke now is also quite far removed from what Bob Marley and others from his time enjoyed, it's actually quite a heavy drug these days. For good reason most young people (myself included) give it up and leave it behind, but I know a few who never kicked the habit and it's quite sad to see the effect it's slowly had on their personalities and lifestyle. Hopefully most of these kids in the cannabis club will at some point come to the realisation that they don't need it, they're better off without it, look back and wonder why they wasted so much time and money numbing themselves day in day out. Gribbet

12:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

I know plenty of people who have alcohol problems, but Ive never met anyone with a cannabis problem. I think that says it all
I know plenty of people who have alcohol problems, but Ive never met anyone with a cannabis problem. I think that says it all gheese77

2:31pm Tue 28 Jan 14

cybergu11y says...

It makes sense really. After all the damage the Green Party administration has done to the city, you'd have to be on drugs to vote for them. It appears that they, like most political parties in times of crisis, are appealing to their core supporters.
It makes sense really. After all the damage the Green Party administration has done to the city, you'd have to be on drugs to vote for them. It appears that they, like most political parties in times of crisis, are appealing to their core supporters. cybergu11y

11:52am Wed 29 Jan 14

Rolaf Atwan says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
How about trying six to eight glasses of water per day to help feel better about yourself?

Sit-ups and a good diet of fruit and vegetables can help too.
I didn't realise fruit and veg could get you high
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: How about trying six to eight glasses of water per day to help feel better about yourself? Sit-ups and a good diet of fruit and vegetables can help too.[/p][/quote]I didn't realise fruit and veg could get you high Rolaf Atwan

7:12pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

rayellerton wrote:
Green Pride as mentioned in the article is nothing to do with the Green party or council, the Green in this case is the cannabis plant. just sayin...
Yes but be fair "unofficial dope speakeasies" does rather remind you of the Green council we have !
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: Green Pride as mentioned in the article is nothing to do with the Green party or council, the Green in this case is the cannabis plant. just sayin...[/p][/quote]Yes but be fair "unofficial dope speakeasies" does rather remind you of the Green council we have ! Idontbelieveit1948

8:49am Mon 3 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Get the Police to raid this place
Get the Police to raid this place Dr Martin

8:53am Mon 3 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

All 9 of me wrote:
Richada wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
Richada wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
....and my bin please!

Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot.

With apologies for the terrible pun there.
If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.
Really? We must have a very &quot;square" circle of friends I guess!
These are your words, I don't think labelling people is helpful, my point was that cannabis use is more prevalent than you think.
2.3 million and falling
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?[/p][/quote]....and my bin please! Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot. With apologies for the terrible pun there.[/p][/quote]If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Really? We must have a very "square" circle of friends I guess![/p][/quote]These are your words, I don't think labelling people is helpful, my point was that cannabis use is more prevalent than you think.[/p][/quote]2.3 million and falling Dr Martin

9:59am Mon 3 Feb 14

Richada says...

Dr Martin wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
Richada wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
Richada wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?
....and my bin please!

Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot.

With apologies for the terrible pun there.
If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.
Really? We must have a very &quot;square" circle of friends I guess!
These are your words, I don't think labelling people is helpful, my point was that cannabis use is more prevalent than you think.
2.3 million and falling
I guess if your 2.3 million figure is a national one, then that makes cannabis users a small minority rather than a tiny one that I originally quoted.

This does not alter the core issue here that a council, any local council, should be putting the interests of all of its residents in front of championing minority causes, such as this.

Sadly I fear for those feeling more passionately about the cannabis cause than I do, that you are being used as headline diverting pawns by a green council who have been found wanting in their core values (recycling and the environment generally).
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Greens could manage to arrange to collect my recycling before they start worrying about this?[/p][/quote]....and my bin please! Again the cause of a tiny minority on a headline grabbing issue is supported here by our council, whilst services that we ALL use are let go to pot. With apologies for the terrible pun there.[/p][/quote]If people weren't afraid of repercussion for 'outing' themselves as cannabis users, I think you would find that it is far from a tiny minority.[/p][/quote]Really? We must have a very "square" circle of friends I guess![/p][/quote]These are your words, I don't think labelling people is helpful, my point was that cannabis use is more prevalent than you think.[/p][/quote]2.3 million and falling[/p][/quote]I guess if your 2.3 million figure is a national one, then that makes cannabis users a small minority rather than a tiny one that I originally quoted. This does not alter the core issue here that a council, any local council, should be putting the interests of all of its residents in front of championing minority causes, such as this. Sadly I fear for those feeling more passionately about the cannabis cause than I do, that you are being used as headline diverting pawns by a green council who have been found wanting in their core values (recycling and the environment generally). Richada

5:33pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Yes its the one put out by the British crime survey, by its nature not going to be a true picture of illicit drug use but it's the most comprehensive and best there is that I am aware of (it's been going since 1996)

For the record I could be labeled "anti-pot", however I do agree with you that pandering to minorities at a time like this is a waste of valuable resources/monies
Yes its the one put out by the British crime survey, by its nature not going to be a true picture of illicit drug use but it's the most comprehensive and best there is that I am aware of (it's been going since 1996) For the record I could be labeled "anti-pot", however I do agree with you that pandering to minorities at a time like this is a waste of valuable resources/monies Dr Martin

11:58pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

All 9 of me wrote:
and before the anti cannabis brigade get their virtual lynching tools out, please ensure you are not sitting there with a glass or can of drug, as this would make your comens somewhat hypocritical.
I guess I got here too late, haven't seen a cannabis debate on the Argus for a long time.
Still stoners do not last long on a debate, are you any different?
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: and before the anti cannabis brigade get their virtual lynching tools out, please ensure you are not sitting there with a glass or can of drug, as this would make your comens somewhat hypocritical.[/p][/quote]I guess I got here too late, haven't seen a cannabis debate on the Argus for a long time. Still stoners do not last long on a debate, are you any different? Dr Martin

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