Axing pelican crossing in Dyke Road, Brighton will put pupils at risk say parents

The Argus: Axing pelican crossing in Dyke Road, Brighton will put pupils at risk say parents Axing pelican crossing in Dyke Road, Brighton will put pupils at risk say parents

Parents fear their children will be in danger if a set of railings and a pelican crossing are removed from outside a school.

The Windlesham School crossing in Dyke Road will be removed by Brighton and Hove City Council and replaced with a zebra crossing to make way for a new cycle lane.

Concerned mother Kathryn Nott said: “It is so unsafe.

“The kids from the school and nursery will come out and there will be nothing to stop them going into the road.

“They know how to use the pelican crossing.

“I know the Green Party wants to promote cycling but safety must come first.”


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Parents have been leafleting and putting up posters to raise awareness about the change.

The proposal was discussed at a meeting of the Environment, Transport and Sustainability Committee on November 26, where councillors supported the plans.

It said there is “currently no support for cycle users”

between the junctions of Highcroft Villas/The Upper Drive and Old Shoreham Road, “particularly for young people who might choose to cycle when considering access to their school in the area”.

Acouncil spokesman added: “We are not aware of any evidence that zebra crossings are less safe than light-controlled crossings.

“Based on our own experience, and with reference to Government guidance which specifically states that ‘zebra crossings offer the greatest advantage to pedestrians as they give them priority over all other traffic’, we are proceeding with the scheme through the relevant stages and will continue to keep the scheme under review.”

Windlesham School declined to comment.

Parents campaigning against the plans will voice their objections at a meeting of Brighton and Hove City Council’s Environment, Transport and Sustainability Committee on March 4.

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5:08pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Brighton1000 says...

Good god, What a bunch of prics you greens are!
Good god, What a bunch of prics you greens are! Brighton1000

5:09pm Thu 6 Feb 14

wexler53 says...

More green crap...
More green crap... wexler53

5:50pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Indigatio says...

I dislike the Greens intensely but I also much prefer Zebra Crossings to Pelican's and as for the new Panda crossings I think they are darn right dangerous.
If you step back from this as a Green and Bicycle issue and think about it properly, I thin most people will find that it makes sense.
I dislike the Greens intensely but I also much prefer Zebra Crossings to Pelican's and as for the new Panda crossings I think they are darn right dangerous. If you step back from this as a Green and Bicycle issue and think about it properly, I thin most people will find that it makes sense. Indigatio

6:12pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.
Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too. Fight_Back

6:16pm Thu 6 Feb 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Their continual whine about safety is exposed once again Of course railings and light controlled Pelicans are the safest crossings BUT their bricycle buddies need to peddle through regardless and the motorist suffer first Safety second plus a total waste of money installing the DANGEROUS Panda crossings elsewhere.
15 months to go ...
Their continual whine about safety is exposed once again Of course railings and light controlled Pelicans are the safest crossings BUT their bricycle buddies need to peddle through regardless and the motorist suffer first Safety second plus a total waste of money installing the DANGEROUS Panda crossings elsewhere. 15 months to go ... upsidedowntuctuc

6:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

kkj says...

indigatio & upsidedfowntuctuc - Panda crossings were used in Britain between 1962 and 1967:
http://www.cbrd.co.u
k/histories/pedestri
ancrossings/4.shtml

Maybe you mean puffin crossings, which are no more dangerous than pelican crossings, provided the user utilises some common sense.
indigatio & upsidedfowntuctuc - Panda crossings were used in Britain between 1962 and 1967: http://www.cbrd.co.u k/histories/pedestri ancrossings/4.shtml Maybe you mean puffin crossings, which are no more dangerous than pelican crossings, provided the user utilises some common sense. kkj

7:13pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Once again Green priorities seem at odds with both common sense and what the majority want and once again they plough on regardless.
Once again Green priorities seem at odds with both common sense and what the majority want and once again they plough on regardless. Idontbelieveit1948

7:37pm Thu 6 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.
Errrr........its not about 'judging traffic speeds' for gods sake is it?! Its about drivers (and cyclists) understanding their own responsibilities, being aware of pedestrians about to use the zebra and acting accordingly - anyone who carries on driving or cycling through a zebra crossing will obviously do the same through a pelican cossing!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.[/p][/quote]Errrr........its not about 'judging traffic speeds' for gods sake is it?! Its about drivers (and cyclists) understanding their own responsibilities, being aware of pedestrians about to use the zebra and acting accordingly - anyone who carries on driving or cycling through a zebra crossing will obviously do the same through a pelican cossing! brighton bluenose

7:40pm Thu 6 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.
Ohhhh and btw you would have to be very stupid to allow a three yo out to cross the road on their own!!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.[/p][/quote]Ohhhh and btw you would have to be very stupid to allow a three yo out to cross the road on their own!! brighton bluenose

8:47pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Fight_Back says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.
Errrr........its not about 'judging traffic speeds' for gods sake is it?! Its about drivers (and cyclists) understanding their own responsibilities, being aware of pedestrians about to use the zebra and acting accordingly - anyone who carries on driving or cycling through a zebra crossing will obviously do the same through a pelican cossing!
No, this is about the Greens obsession to give cyclists the right to the road. It is now more important to them than giving pedestrians safe passage and they clearly don't care if children get killed for their obsession.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.[/p][/quote]Errrr........its not about 'judging traffic speeds' for gods sake is it?! Its about drivers (and cyclists) understanding their own responsibilities, being aware of pedestrians about to use the zebra and acting accordingly - anyone who carries on driving or cycling through a zebra crossing will obviously do the same through a pelican cossing![/p][/quote]No, this is about the Greens obsession to give cyclists the right to the road. It is now more important to them than giving pedestrians safe passage and they clearly don't care if children get killed for their obsession. Fight_Back

9:03pm Thu 6 Feb 14

fredaj says...

The irony is that Dyke Road is incredibly unsafe at school time, when the kids are out in the street, due to the antics of their parents and their cars.

They park on the zigzags and on the pavement, they block the road and inhibit visibility.
The irony is that Dyke Road is incredibly unsafe at school time, when the kids are out in the street, due to the antics of their parents and their cars. They park on the zigzags and on the pavement, they block the road and inhibit visibility. fredaj

9:06pm Thu 6 Feb 14

fredaj says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.
If you are allowing your 3 year old to cross the road alone then perhaps you should teach them the Green-Cross-Code.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Zebra crossings are all well and fine for adults who are streetwise and understand traffic flow. They are DANGEROUS for children aged 3 to 11 - they can't judge traffic speeds and don't understand that many cyclists go through these crossings even with people on them. My children use this crossing and I promise Jason Kitcat that if they come to harm because of this ridiculously stupid idea I will ensure he comes to harm too.[/p][/quote]If you are allowing your 3 year old to cross the road alone then perhaps you should teach them the Green-Cross-Code. fredaj

9:47pm Thu 6 Feb 14

CivicMan says...

Is there actually room for a cycle lane up this road? It's not a wide road anyway, so will all the parking places be sacrificed for a cycle lane?\
Is there actually room for a cycle lane up this road? It's not a wide road anyway, so will all the parking places be sacrificed for a cycle lane?\ CivicMan

10:02pm Thu 6 Feb 14

RaRa the grumpy lion says...

The plans also include the removal of vital safety railings at the top of Crocodile Walk (a busy pathway for local primary school children, especially Stanford, and pre-schoolers going to the park) and changing the crossing nearby from a pelican to a zebra. It's common sense that this will decrease safety for young children - and for what purpose? Also proposed is a shared pavement and cycle lane running the length of Dyke Road park which is confusing and dangerous for young children and vulnerable adults. These changes seem senseless and completely unnecessary for the overall plan, whatever your views on cycle lanes. There is still time to contact members of the Environment, Transport and Sustainability Committee, who are deciding this on 4th March.
The plans also include the removal of vital safety railings at the top of Crocodile Walk (a busy pathway for local primary school children, especially Stanford, and pre-schoolers going to the park) and changing the crossing nearby from a pelican to a zebra. It's common sense that this will decrease safety for young children - and for what purpose? Also proposed is a shared pavement and cycle lane running the length of Dyke Road park which is confusing and dangerous for young children and vulnerable adults. These changes seem senseless and completely unnecessary for the overall plan, whatever your views on cycle lanes. There is still time to contact members of the Environment, Transport and Sustainability Committee, who are deciding this on 4th March. RaRa the grumpy lion

6:48am Fri 7 Feb 14

Martin999 says...

Why are the Green Party so obsessed with cycle lanes? Probably because building cycle lanes brings in millions of pounds in grants. So, not obsessed with safety, obsessed with money.
Why are the Green Party so obsessed with cycle lanes? Probably because building cycle lanes brings in millions of pounds in grants. So, not obsessed with safety, obsessed with money. Martin999

8:04am Fri 7 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

The removal of this crossing as it stands would be an act of breathtaking stupidity. Which is why of course the Greens will push it through.
The removal of this crossing as it stands would be an act of breathtaking stupidity. Which is why of course the Greens will push it through. Plantpot

9:05am Fri 7 Feb 14

Richada says...

How is putting the interests of cyclists ahead of the safety of children in any way "green"?

It's just madness. Dangerous madness.
How is putting the interests of cyclists ahead of the safety of children in any way "green"? It's just madness. Dangerous madness. Richada

9:10am Fri 7 Feb 14

Richada says...

fredaj wrote:
The irony is that Dyke Road is incredibly unsafe at school time, when the kids are out in the street, due to the antics of their parents and their cars.

They park on the zigzags and on the pavement, they block the road and inhibit visibility.
This is absolutely true. Providing a cycle lane there is going to do absolutely nothing to improve that situation, nor is removing the pelican crossing outside the school.

The authorities have turned a blind eye to the issue with dangerous parking at Windlesham School for decades, this scheme will only make the problem worse.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: The irony is that Dyke Road is incredibly unsafe at school time, when the kids are out in the street, due to the antics of their parents and their cars. They park on the zigzags and on the pavement, they block the road and inhibit visibility.[/p][/quote]This is absolutely true. Providing a cycle lane there is going to do absolutely nothing to improve that situation, nor is removing the pelican crossing outside the school. The authorities have turned a blind eye to the issue with dangerous parking at Windlesham School for decades, this scheme will only make the problem worse. Richada

9:55am Mon 10 Feb 14

What now Green's ? says...

It's clear - a cycle lane is totally inappropriate in Dyke Road , and I have no doubt the lanes if in place will probably be used by less than 1 pc of the commuters in this area. An awful lot of people will experience upheaval , stress , danger and for what ? Children's safety is the main issue here and I am already imagining the under 10's who have crossed that road on that same crossing for 3-4 years being in such a routine of crossing in such a way that there will be an accident. A parent with 1 child may manage to negotiate and carefully assist an excited child across a busy road with bags - dogs etc but 2 young children or more will up the risk by a scary level.
But I hate to say the blind community are having to suffer the Green changes at the 7 dials now it is the children's turn to be put at risk.
Please will someone have a heart and the intelligence to see that not all changes are improvements.
It's clear - a cycle lane is totally inappropriate in Dyke Road , and I have no doubt the lanes if in place will probably be used by less than 1 pc of the commuters in this area. An awful lot of people will experience upheaval , stress , danger and for what ? Children's safety is the main issue here and I am already imagining the under 10's who have crossed that road on that same crossing for 3-4 years being in such a routine of crossing in such a way that there will be an accident. A parent with 1 child may manage to negotiate and carefully assist an excited child across a busy road with bags - dogs etc but 2 young children or more will up the risk by a scary level. But I hate to say the blind community are having to suffer the Green changes at the 7 dials now it is the children's turn to be put at risk. Please will someone have a heart and the intelligence to see that not all changes are improvements. What now Green's ?

8:43pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Tambob1 says...

My two children attend this school and use the crossing every school day safely. The idea of changing this in favour of a cycle lane is absurd. What I also find interesting is that children in Year One are currently undergoing Road Safety Training, which I believe is being provided by BH Council. Could this be their way of ensuring they have "done their bit" in assisting with helping the children understand the dangers that can arise when crossing roads etc in preparation for a TRO (that is only in proposal stage) being approved. My guess is the decision has already been made! My biggest concern is the removal of the railings directly at the entrance/exit to the school and the dangers this will pose. Jason Kitkat has already proven his ignorance towards the people of Brighton with his recent refusal to step down in light of the "no confidence" vote. I am sure the concerns of residents and parents about this dangerous proposal will be met in the same way.
My two children attend this school and use the crossing every school day safely. The idea of changing this in favour of a cycle lane is absurd. What I also find interesting is that children in Year One are currently undergoing Road Safety Training, which I believe is being provided by BH Council. Could this be their way of ensuring they have "done their bit" in assisting with helping the children understand the dangers that can arise when crossing roads etc in preparation for a TRO (that is only in proposal stage) being approved. My guess is the decision has already been made! My biggest concern is the removal of the railings directly at the entrance/exit to the school and the dangers this will pose. Jason Kitkat has already proven his ignorance towards the people of Brighton with his recent refusal to step down in light of the "no confidence" vote. I am sure the concerns of residents and parents about this dangerous proposal will be met in the same way. Tambob1

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