Patcham residents call for £14 million sewer improvements

Patcham residents cal for £14 million sewer improvements

Patcham residents cal for £14 million sewer improvements

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Flood-stricken residents are calling on the council to fund a £14 million project to renew the sewer system beneath their streets.

Frustrated locals in Patcham, once again facing the risk of flooding, are urging the council to revise the bottleneck sewer system beneath Old London Road.

David Harris, 77, an expert on flooding in Patcham, said: “When the sewer reaches the Black Lion pub there is only one way for the water to go, and that is up.”

The flooding issues in Patcham are exacerbated as the sewer systems running into the village are 40% higher in capacity than the ones running through it, creating the bottleneck.

When the water running off the Downs moves through the sewer, Patcham becomes a pinch point and the water makes its way towards the surface.

At a meeting held for residents at the Memorial Hall this week, Caroline Lucas, MP for Brighton Pavilion, said plans needed to be made for the future.

She said: “From the national side of things I am doing all that I can to try to put pressure on the different authorities from whom we can bid for some finances to say how important this is.

“As we know, this comes every year and unless we tackle the causes we are going to be meeting in this hall year after year.”

The £14 million project would revise the entire sewer system from the village to the coast.

Just renewing the sewers in Patcham would simply move the bottleneck to another part of the city.

Currently flooding in Patcham is managed by East Sussex Fire and Rescue with a network of three emergency pumps that move the water to larger sewers south of the village.

Brighton and Hove city councillor Geoffrey Theobald, OBE, of the Patcham Ward, said: “I will carry on battling to get this wretched pipe made larger.”

A Southern Water spokesman said: “Our sewerage system in Patcham is designed to take away wastewater from homes and surface water from roads – a role which it continues to perform.

“However, the system is not designed to control the flows of the underground river that runs under the town and nor should it be.

“Our responsibility is to ensure the sewers continue to run as normal.

“This allows customers to continue using their wastewater services and prevents the pipes from backing up and flooding homes with wastewater. We have temporary pumps in place to do that while the groundwater remains high.”

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1:51pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

Sorry chaps but the money has already been allocated for the Jason Kitcat memorial erection, pardon the i360.
Sorry chaps but the money has already been allocated for the Jason Kitcat memorial erection, pardon the i360. Dealing with idiots
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2:01pm Sat 8 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available.

Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.
Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available. Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required. HJarrs
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Sat 8 Feb 14

L bailey says...

THE ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN PARTY, are making this problem worse. By ignoring all the warnings they are intent on going ahead with enlarging the traveller site at Horsdean and connecting to the sewers that join at the top of Vale Avenue and flow down Church hill into Patcham village. The sewers are not robust enough now how will this affect further flooding. At a meeting on the 4 February Southern water said that the Patcham pumping station was pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the water going into Patcham. I asked the question if the water adit was shut down what would happen to all the water in the Adit. The spokesman for Southern Water said Patcham and surrounding area along the A23/A27 and A23 corridor would flood on a more regular basis. Why wait until this happens why don't they revise there plans and take into account the residents who will have to put up with this situation. So much for being environmentally friendly.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN PARTY, are making this problem worse. By ignoring all the warnings they are intent on going ahead with enlarging the traveller site at Horsdean and connecting to the sewers that join at the top of Vale Avenue and flow down Church hill into Patcham village. The sewers are not robust enough now how will this affect further flooding. At a meeting on the 4 February Southern water said that the Patcham pumping station was pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the water going into Patcham. I asked the question if the water adit was shut down what would happen to all the water in the Adit. The spokesman for Southern Water said Patcham and surrounding area along the A23/A27 and A23 corridor would flood on a more regular basis. Why wait until this happens why don't they revise there plans and take into account the residents who will have to put up with this situation. So much for being environmentally friendly. L bailey
  • Score: 11

4:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Dave At Home says...

L bailey wrote:
THE ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN PARTY, are making this problem worse. By ignoring all the warnings they are intent on going ahead with enlarging the traveller site at Horsdean and connecting to the sewers that join at the top of Vale Avenue and flow down Church hill into Patcham village. The sewers are not robust enough now how will this affect further flooding. At a meeting on the 4 February Southern water said that the Patcham pumping station was pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the water going into Patcham. I asked the question if the water adit was shut down what would happen to all the water in the Adit. The spokesman for Southern Water said Patcham and surrounding area along the A23/A27 and A23 corridor would flood on a more regular basis. Why wait until this happens why don't they revise there plans and take into account the residents who will have to put up with this situation. So much for being environmentally friendly.
Someone talks sense but there is no one at home to listen. The whole of this City is now (or soon will be) a disgrace except for a few cycle & bus lanes that won't be used much when the buses cut their services. Why can't we have some proper people who care and feel passionately about our beloved City instead of lining their nest. Grrrrr it will end in tears soon.
[quote][p][bold]L bailey[/bold] wrote: THE ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN PARTY, are making this problem worse. By ignoring all the warnings they are intent on going ahead with enlarging the traveller site at Horsdean and connecting to the sewers that join at the top of Vale Avenue and flow down Church hill into Patcham village. The sewers are not robust enough now how will this affect further flooding. At a meeting on the 4 February Southern water said that the Patcham pumping station was pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the water going into Patcham. I asked the question if the water adit was shut down what would happen to all the water in the Adit. The spokesman for Southern Water said Patcham and surrounding area along the A23/A27 and A23 corridor would flood on a more regular basis. Why wait until this happens why don't they revise there plans and take into account the residents who will have to put up with this situation. So much for being environmentally friendly.[/p][/quote]Someone talks sense but there is no one at home to listen. The whole of this City is now (or soon will be) a disgrace except for a few cycle & bus lanes that won't be used much when the buses cut their services. Why can't we have some proper people who care and feel passionately about our beloved City instead of lining their nest. Grrrrr it will end in tears soon. Dave At Home
  • Score: 5

8:24pm Sat 8 Feb 14

brightonyorkie says...

Why are they called Southern Water? Oh yes, to deliver and take away water! It's what we pay them for so why are they trying to place the blame on the council? Spend some of your shareholders money and protect the residents of Patcham, Portslad and Bevendean.
Why are they called Southern Water? Oh yes, to deliver and take away water! It's what we pay them for so why are they trying to place the blame on the council? Spend some of your shareholders money and protect the residents of Patcham, Portslad and Bevendean. brightonyorkie
  • Score: 6

9:04am Sun 9 Feb 14

aat99 says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Sorry chaps but the money has already been allocated for the Jason Kitcat memorial erection, pardon the i360.
Yes the greens have been in power since 2000 and done nowt !
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Sorry chaps but the money has already been allocated for the Jason Kitcat memorial erection, pardon the i360.[/p][/quote]Yes the greens have been in power since 2000 and done nowt ! aat99
  • Score: -1

9:23am Sun 9 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available.

Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.
Oh yes and as we have already spent the money on cycle paths, bus lanes and speed signage there is no money left in the pot for non essential works like this.

Get over it.

I must say that when the water has dispersed the road in the picture looks ideal for a cycle path!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available. Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.[/p][/quote]Oh yes and as we have already spent the money on cycle paths, bus lanes and speed signage there is no money left in the pot for non essential works like this. Get over it. I must say that when the water has dispersed the road in the picture looks ideal for a cycle path! I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 1

9:32am Sun 9 Feb 14

Can this be says...

brightonyorkie wrote:
Why are they called Southern Water? Oh yes, to deliver and take away water! It's what we pay them for so why are they trying to place the blame on the council? Spend some of your shareholders money and protect the residents of Patcham, Portslad and Bevendean.
You had better have a word with the people who write the legislation. The potential flooding in Patcham is principally caused by groundwater rising and dealing with that is not the role of Southern Water. Southern Water's sewers take away the foul water we all produce, but in the case of surface water, just the rainwater which falls on paved areas, such as roofs, drives, roads and the like.

The only way out of Patcham for the spring and groundwater is through Southern Water's sewers down to the Old Steine and eventually to their £300 million or so new works at Peacehaven for treatment and discharge to the sea, but that is not the role of the sewers.

The situation is made worse by the continual further development in the Patcham area putting an added load on the sewers.

You can blame the general lack of joined-up-thinking, but it is not fair to blame Southern Water in this instance.
[quote][p][bold]brightonyorkie[/bold] wrote: Why are they called Southern Water? Oh yes, to deliver and take away water! It's what we pay them for so why are they trying to place the blame on the council? Spend some of your shareholders money and protect the residents of Patcham, Portslad and Bevendean.[/p][/quote]You had better have a word with the people who write the legislation. The potential flooding in Patcham is principally caused by groundwater rising and dealing with that is not the role of Southern Water. Southern Water's sewers take away the foul water we all produce, but in the case of surface water, just the rainwater which falls on paved areas, such as roofs, drives, roads and the like. The only way out of Patcham for the spring and groundwater is through Southern Water's sewers down to the Old Steine and eventually to their £300 million or so new works at Peacehaven for treatment and discharge to the sea, but that is not the role of the sewers. The situation is made worse by the continual further development in the Patcham area putting an added load on the sewers. You can blame the general lack of joined-up-thinking, but it is not fair to blame Southern Water in this instance. Can this be
  • Score: 6

10:10am Sun 9 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

L bailey wrote:
THE ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN PARTY, are making this problem worse. By ignoring all the warnings they are intent on going ahead with enlarging the traveller site at Horsdean and connecting to the sewers that join at the top of Vale Avenue and flow down Church hill into Patcham village. The sewers are not robust enough now how will this affect further flooding. At a meeting on the 4 February Southern water said that the Patcham pumping station was pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the water going into Patcham. I asked the question if the water adit was shut down what would happen to all the water in the Adit. The spokesman for Southern Water said Patcham and surrounding area along the A23/A27 and A23 corridor would flood on a more regular basis. Why wait until this happens why don't they revise there plans and take into account the residents who will have to put up with this situation. So much for being environmentally friendly.
Has this only happened since the Greens came in in 2011?No, thought not!
[quote][p][bold]L bailey[/bold] wrote: THE ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN PARTY, are making this problem worse. By ignoring all the warnings they are intent on going ahead with enlarging the traveller site at Horsdean and connecting to the sewers that join at the top of Vale Avenue and flow down Church hill into Patcham village. The sewers are not robust enough now how will this affect further flooding. At a meeting on the 4 February Southern water said that the Patcham pumping station was pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the water going into Patcham. I asked the question if the water adit was shut down what would happen to all the water in the Adit. The spokesman for Southern Water said Patcham and surrounding area along the A23/A27 and A23 corridor would flood on a more regular basis. Why wait until this happens why don't they revise there plans and take into account the residents who will have to put up with this situation. So much for being environmentally friendly.[/p][/quote]Has this only happened since the Greens came in in 2011?No, thought not! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -2

10:12am Sun 9 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available.

Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.
Oh yes and as we have already spent the money on cycle paths, bus lanes and speed signage there is no money left in the pot for non essential works like this.

Get over it.

I must say that when the water has dispersed the road in the picture looks ideal for a cycle path!
Tedious nonsense - as ever!
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available. Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.[/p][/quote]Oh yes and as we have already spent the money on cycle paths, bus lanes and speed signage there is no money left in the pot for non essential works like this. Get over it. I must say that when the water has dispersed the road in the picture looks ideal for a cycle path![/p][/quote]Tedious nonsense - as ever! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -1

10:14am Sun 9 Feb 14

brighton bluenose says...

brightonyorkie wrote:
Why are they called Southern Water? Oh yes, to deliver and take away water! It's what we pay them for so why are they trying to place the blame on the council? Spend some of your shareholders money and protect the residents of Patcham, Portslad and Bevendean.
Someone speaking sense!
[quote][p][bold]brightonyorkie[/bold] wrote: Why are they called Southern Water? Oh yes, to deliver and take away water! It's what we pay them for so why are they trying to place the blame on the council? Spend some of your shareholders money and protect the residents of Patcham, Portslad and Bevendean.[/p][/quote]Someone speaking sense! brighton bluenose
  • Score: -4

10:48am Sun 9 Feb 14

L bailey says...

The point I was trying to make is that the Adit in Patcham is pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the sewers that are under strain. The Green party are putting plans before the SDNPA on Thursday to increase development at Ewe Bottom Horsdean. The EA and the Council are aware of the high risk to the water supply in this SPZ1 area. That is why they are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on putting a sewer under the A27, then up Vale Avenue and down Church Hill, they will have to continue to spend thousands each year to maintain the site. Why take the risk when there are no guarantees these methods will be viable. When the water reaches a level of pollution where it cannot be used the pumping station will stop pumping. Not only will we lose a main water source will have to suffer more frequent flooding, as the water will have to go somewhere and that is historically the A23 corridor and Patcham Village.. The strain on the sewers will increase. The EA, SW, are to blame for allowing this but the Green Party, the supposedly environmentally friendly party are the ones who are ignoring the risks and concerns. Before you ask they have not consulted with a Hydrologist who would tell them what they are doing is criminal.
The point I was trying to make is that the Adit in Patcham is pumping at full capacity to alleviate the pressure on the sewers that are under strain. The Green party are putting plans before the SDNPA on Thursday to increase development at Ewe Bottom Horsdean. The EA and the Council are aware of the high risk to the water supply in this SPZ1 area. That is why they are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on putting a sewer under the A27, then up Vale Avenue and down Church Hill, they will have to continue to spend thousands each year to maintain the site. Why take the risk when there are no guarantees these methods will be viable. When the water reaches a level of pollution where it cannot be used the pumping station will stop pumping. Not only will we lose a main water source will have to suffer more frequent flooding, as the water will have to go somewhere and that is historically the A23 corridor and Patcham Village.. The strain on the sewers will increase. The EA, SW, are to blame for allowing this but the Green Party, the supposedly environmentally friendly party are the ones who are ignoring the risks and concerns. Before you ask they have not consulted with a Hydrologist who would tell them what they are doing is criminal. L bailey
  • Score: 3

2:25pm Sun 9 Feb 14

a person says...

Southern water have said
“”However, the system is not designed to control the flows of the underground river that runs under the town and nor should it be. “”

The government / councils seem to be going ahead with building on
floodplains .
So beware do not buy a house that is built on a flood plain , and
do not buy a house near an under ground river .
Southern water have said “”However, the system is not designed to control the flows of the underground river that runs under the town and nor should it be. “” The government / councils seem to be going ahead with building on floodplains . So beware do not buy a house that is built on a flood plain , and do not buy a house near an under ground river . a person
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Sun 9 Feb 14

deanaprior says...

Southern Water are owned by investment funds based in the US, Hong Kong and Canada and three Australian pension funds.

They may be more focused on Aussie OAPs than the Patcham sewer
Southern Water are owned by investment funds based in the US, Hong Kong and Canada and three Australian pension funds. They may be more focused on Aussie OAPs than the Patcham sewer deanaprior
  • Score: -2

7:08am Mon 10 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available.

Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.
Oh yes and as we have already spent the money on cycle paths, bus lanes and speed signage there is no money left in the pot for non essential works like this.

Get over it.

I must say that when the water has dispersed the road in the picture looks ideal for a cycle path!
Tedious nonsense - as ever!
HJ says that you should ind somewhere else to post as your comments are continuing to undermine all the good spin that iis flowing from more polished Green posters, especially those like HJ who are part of the Green PR machine and funded by the Greens.

Get on your bike...like it? get on your bike - HJ that could be the new Green mantra once the monerati have finished whinging about being flooded.

After all there are bigger fish to fry for the Greens, more money to be wasted, more disruption etc.
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Patcham was subject to terrible flooding in 2000. Why has so little been done since? Particularly as funding was more easily available. Everyone needs to work together on this as the system starting in Patcham runs right through the city. A fix may well be costly and external funding will be required.[/p][/quote]Oh yes and as we have already spent the money on cycle paths, bus lanes and speed signage there is no money left in the pot for non essential works like this. Get over it. I must say that when the water has dispersed the road in the picture looks ideal for a cycle path![/p][/quote]Tedious nonsense - as ever![/p][/quote]HJ says that you should ind somewhere else to post as your comments are continuing to undermine all the good spin that iis flowing from more polished Green posters, especially those like HJ who are part of the Green PR machine and funded by the Greens. Get on your bike...like it? get on your bike - HJ that could be the new Green mantra once the monerati have finished whinging about being flooded. After all there are bigger fish to fry for the Greens, more money to be wasted, more disruption etc. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 3

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