'We don''t want to be like Blackpool', say Brighton and Hove hoteliers as party house debate continues

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Angry hoteliers warned “we don’t want to be like Blackpool” at a meeting about party houses.

The traders claimed the houses – those let to groups on short term breaks – attract groups of hen and stag parties on “kiss me quick” visits which damage Brighton’s reputation.

Mark Jones, from the Brighton and Hove Hotels Association, said “we don’t want to be like Blackpool” at a meeting of the city council’s scrutiny panel.

He said: “These unregulated pop-up bed and breakfasts and party houses are infringing on the livelihoods of genuine guest houses and holiday lets.

“The sustainability of the legitimate industry is under threat.”

Mr Jones said the party houses affect the city’s ‘cultural’ reputation.

He also added that party houses had unfair advantages as they do not pay business rates and are not subject to the same regulations as hotels.

The health and safety dangers of party houses were also discussed but Dexter Allen, City Fire Safety Manager, assured that the fire authority was engaging in an auditing process with operators to ensure they comply with fire regulations The travel website Airbnb lists 93 operational holiday lets in the party house format in Brighton.

The party house industry was described as a ‘grey economy’ at the meeting Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, chairman of the scrutiny community, said: “The grey visitor economy is a term that implies an iceberg part of the tourist industry, one that exists beneath the surface, and one that we must tease out how to manage.”

Mr Bowden reiterated his desire to not blacklist party houses but instead to find a ‘gold standard’.

Questions were also raised over how any houses bought to be used as party houses would affect the city’s housing pool.

Hoteliers speaking at the meeting argued that the party houses operate as “pirate hotels” – offering cheap and unregulated alternatives to licensed hotels.

Party house operators argue |that their guests boost the city’s economy and it is estimated that overnight visitors each bring in £125 a night.

They will speak at a further scrutiny panel meeting at Hove Town Hall on Tuesday at 2.30pm.

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4:20am Sun 16 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife
at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife whatevernext2013
  • Score: 0

7:05am Sun 16 Feb 14

Boloney-marshal says...

Brighton, don't worry your conceited ego, you'll never be like Blackpool, make no mistake about that. With Dullton, sorry Brighton, It's all about making money for the few, money, profit and greed.... pathetic!
Brighton, don't worry your conceited ego, you'll never be like Blackpool, make no mistake about that. With Dullton, sorry Brighton, It's all about making money for the few, money, profit and greed.... pathetic! Boloney-marshal
  • Score: -3

7:59am Sun 16 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

What's the fuss?

We the Greens are happy to accommodate anyone in Brighton, especially those that damage the city, create chaos and mess for the residents to have to deal with. We especially like those that contribute nothing and take everything.

We are the Greens
What's the fuss? We the Greens are happy to accommodate anyone in Brighton, especially those that damage the city, create chaos and mess for the residents to have to deal with. We especially like those that contribute nothing and take everything. We are the Greens I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!
  • Score: 16

7:59am Sun 16 Feb 14

Vigilia says...

What a pity Mr Bowden doesn't apply his "gold standard" to travellers who COST the local taxpayers £2,000 a night.
What a pity Mr Bowden doesn't apply his "gold standard" to travellers who COST the local taxpayers £2,000 a night. Vigilia
  • Score: 19

8:18am Sun 16 Feb 14

juleshove says...

Agree these party houses should be closed down. Damaging to Brighton reputation. We are not trying to compete with tacky resorts like Blackpool or southend.
Agree these party houses should be closed down. Damaging to Brighton reputation. We are not trying to compete with tacky resorts like Blackpool or southend. juleshove
  • Score: 18

8:29am Sun 16 Feb 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

Brighton - built as a pleasure dome for the few
Blackpool - built as a pleasure dome for the masses
The only difference is the accent.
Brighton - built as a pleasure dome for the few Blackpool - built as a pleasure dome for the masses The only difference is the accent. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 6

8:41am Sun 16 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Brighton has 24 hour bars and clubs.
Why does it need party houses in residential streets. The debate should be how to close them down. The cops should breathalise all the drivers leaving the houses by car as I bet many are still over the limit.
Brighton has 24 hour bars and clubs. Why does it need party houses in residential streets. The debate should be how to close them down. The cops should breathalise all the drivers leaving the houses by car as I bet many are still over the limit. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 20

11:41am Sun 16 Feb 14

Old Ale Man says...

Vigilia wrote:
What a pity Mr Bowden doesn't apply his "gold standard" to travellers who COST the local taxpayers £2,000 a night.
Sorry to upset your weekend folks but thats going to have another £100-000 added by the Greens in the next budget plus nearly £2m for luxery accomadation at Patcham.
[quote][p][bold]Vigilia[/bold] wrote: What a pity Mr Bowden doesn't apply his "gold standard" to travellers who COST the local taxpayers £2,000 a night.[/p][/quote]Sorry to upset your weekend folks but thats going to have another £100-000 added by the Greens in the next budget plus nearly £2m for luxery accomadation at Patcham. Old Ale Man
  • Score: 6

11:59am Sun 16 Feb 14

notaconspiracy says...

Tosh!

The problem identified by these 'hoteliers' clearly isn't that "the houses... attract groups of hen and stag parties on “kiss me quick” visits which damage Brighton’s reputation."

Surely these folk provide a big chunk of Brighton's weekend income, nowadays.

Their problem is that " “These unregulated pop-up bed and breakfasts and party houses are infringing on the livelihoods of genuine guest houses and holiday lets."

And the reason that they're taking business is because they are providing a service that the market wants.

Hoteliers should not try to get rid of these potential clients but try to attract them (group discounts, shared 'party rooms'?).
Tosh! The problem identified by these 'hoteliers' clearly isn't that "the houses... attract groups of hen and stag parties on “kiss me quick” visits which damage Brighton’s reputation." Surely these folk provide a big chunk of Brighton's weekend income, nowadays. Their problem is that " “These unregulated pop-up bed and breakfasts and party houses are infringing on the livelihoods of genuine guest houses and holiday lets." And the reason that they're taking business is because they are providing a service that the market wants. Hoteliers should not try to get rid of these potential clients but try to attract them (group discounts, shared 'party rooms'?). notaconspiracy
  • Score: -5

12:12pm Sun 16 Feb 14

clubrob6 says...

The trouble is these houses are in residential areas the people that stay in them are there to party perhaps just like bars and hotels have they should be made to have security or in house manager to control noise etc.Several small and larger hotels have closed down because they are subject to heavy safety regulatins,buisness rates ETC these party houses are buisnesses so should be subject to business rates.My friend lives near one of these party houses the noise goes on all night long,its not the party goers fault but they are simply in the wrong place.The only reason we have more than a hundred is because landlords are after quick money not caring about other residents of the area.The answer ALL party houses should have a in house manager.
The trouble is these houses are in residential areas the people that stay in them are there to party perhaps just like bars and hotels have they should be made to have security or in house manager to control noise etc.Several small and larger hotels have closed down because they are subject to heavy safety regulatins,buisness rates ETC these party houses are buisnesses so should be subject to business rates.My friend lives near one of these party houses the noise goes on all night long,its not the party goers fault but they are simply in the wrong place.The only reason we have more than a hundred is because landlords are after quick money not caring about other residents of the area.The answer ALL party houses should have a in house manager. clubrob6
  • Score: 7

12:52pm Sun 16 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

juleshove wrote:
Agree these party houses should be closed down. Damaging to Brighton reputation. We are not trying to compete with tacky resorts like Blackpool or southend.
you come a very poor third to both of them
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: Agree these party houses should be closed down. Damaging to Brighton reputation. We are not trying to compete with tacky resorts like Blackpool or southend.[/p][/quote]you come a very poor third to both of them whatevernext2013
  • Score: -1

1:02pm Sun 16 Feb 14

All 9 of me says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Brighton - built as a pleasure dome for the few
Blackpool - built as a pleasure dome for the masses
The only difference is the accent.
and the colour of the seawater, and the price of chips, and the level of culture in the respective towns, Blackpools' can mostly be found in the underwear of its inhabitants
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: Brighton - built as a pleasure dome for the few Blackpool - built as a pleasure dome for the masses The only difference is the accent.[/p][/quote]and the colour of the seawater, and the price of chips, and the level of culture in the respective towns, Blackpools' can mostly be found in the underwear of its inhabitants All 9 of me
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Kate234 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Brighton has 24 hour bars and clubs.
Why does it need party houses in residential streets. The debate should be how to close them down. The cops should breathalise all the drivers leaving the houses by car as I bet many are still over the limit.
Totally agree they should be based only in central Brighton and not areas like Queens Park or Hove which are primarily residential. We should also close down seedy guest houses as there are plenty of new decent Ibis Hotels etc opening up in the city and they are no longer needed.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Brighton has 24 hour bars and clubs. Why does it need party houses in residential streets. The debate should be how to close them down. The cops should breathalise all the drivers leaving the houses by car as I bet many are still over the limit.[/p][/quote]Totally agree they should be based only in central Brighton and not areas like Queens Park or Hove which are primarily residential. We should also close down seedy guest houses as there are plenty of new decent Ibis Hotels etc opening up in the city and they are no longer needed. Kate234
  • Score: 10

2:47pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Laserluke says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife
Blackpool is a dump - it is like Brighton was in the Seventies. Brighton's night-life, weather, restaurants, architecture and culture are far superior.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife[/p][/quote]Blackpool is a dump - it is like Brighton was in the Seventies. Brighton's night-life, weather, restaurants, architecture and culture are far superior. Laserluke
  • Score: 5

5:38pm Sun 16 Feb 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Laserluke wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife
Blackpool is a dump - it is like Brighton was in the Seventies. Brighton's night-life, weather, restaurants, architecture and culture are far superior.
funny i dont ever remember stones on the beach in blackpool ,or the open areas were seedy people go for open air sex ,nor has it ever been the drug death capital that brighton is ,
[quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife[/p][/quote]Blackpool is a dump - it is like Brighton was in the Seventies. Brighton's night-life, weather, restaurants, architecture and culture are far superior.[/p][/quote]funny i dont ever remember stones on the beach in blackpool ,or the open areas were seedy people go for open air sex ,nor has it ever been the drug death capital that brighton is , whatevernext2013
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Construction of the i360 on the Kings Road West Pier entrance site - right in front of the Metropole Hotel would signal for miles around that we are indeed Blackpoolesque in our ambitions for the City. The i360 would act as a mega calling card (probably with adverts on it at the top) to ramp up the hen/stag trade.

Can't you see it now....'we have to allow advertising on the pole because the attraction is not earning enough money and the city will become liable for the 'attraction' if it is allowed to fail because we refuse to put advertising on it.' - something I would expect to hear in an angst-filled Council meeting of the future.....if this City Wrecker is give £36/38m to bail out Marks Barfield and The West Pier Trust.
Construction of the i360 on the Kings Road West Pier entrance site - right in front of the Metropole Hotel would signal for miles around that we are indeed Blackpoolesque in our ambitions for the City. The i360 would act as a mega calling card (probably with adverts on it at the top) to ramp up the hen/stag trade. Can't you see it now....'we have to allow advertising on the pole because the attraction is not earning enough money and the city will become liable for the 'attraction' if it is allowed to fail because we refuse to put advertising on it.' - something I would expect to hear in an angst-filled Council meeting of the future.....if this City Wrecker is give £36/38m to bail out Marks Barfield and The West Pier Trust. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Kate234 says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Construction of the i360 on the Kings Road West Pier entrance site - right in front of the Metropole Hotel would signal for miles around that we are indeed Blackpoolesque in our ambitions for the City. The i360 would act as a mega calling card (probably with adverts on it at the top) to ramp up the hen/stag trade.

Can't you see it now....'we have to allow advertising on the pole because the attraction is not earning enough money and the city will become liable for the 'attraction' if it is allowed to fail because we refuse to put advertising on it.' - something I would expect to hear in an angst-filled Council meeting of the future.....if this City Wrecker is give £36/38m to bail out Marks Barfield and The West Pier Trust.
I think as a city we should be braver. I feel sad when we look at all the fantastic things we have been left by the Victorians such as the piers and how badly we have left them fall into disarray. I am sure people were complaining about the piers when they were first built. In 30 years time it would be fantastic if we could leave a legacy (other than not being able to save the west pier) to future generations and maybe the i360 is it.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Construction of the i360 on the Kings Road West Pier entrance site - right in front of the Metropole Hotel would signal for miles around that we are indeed Blackpoolesque in our ambitions for the City. The i360 would act as a mega calling card (probably with adverts on it at the top) to ramp up the hen/stag trade. Can't you see it now....'we have to allow advertising on the pole because the attraction is not earning enough money and the city will become liable for the 'attraction' if it is allowed to fail because we refuse to put advertising on it.' - something I would expect to hear in an angst-filled Council meeting of the future.....if this City Wrecker is give £36/38m to bail out Marks Barfield and The West Pier Trust.[/p][/quote]I think as a city we should be braver. I feel sad when we look at all the fantastic things we have been left by the Victorians such as the piers and how badly we have left them fall into disarray. I am sure people were complaining about the piers when they were first built. In 30 years time it would be fantastic if we could leave a legacy (other than not being able to save the west pier) to future generations and maybe the i360 is it. Kate234
  • Score: 0

7:54pm Sun 16 Feb 14

johnkonyn says...

Geoffrey Bowden has it just about right

It is important to draw people to Brighton. If this industry were to be unreasonably restricted the profitability of the Brighton entertainment sector would be hit leading to rate rises from the rest of us to make up the balance.

These properties are an important asset for Brighton’s economy but standards should be high and location important. Houses in suburban areas are not appropriate.
Geoffrey Bowden has it just about right It is important to draw people to Brighton. If this industry were to be unreasonably restricted the profitability of the Brighton entertainment sector would be hit leading to rate rises from the rest of us to make up the balance. These properties are an important asset for Brighton’s economy but standards should be high and location important. Houses in suburban areas are not appropriate. johnkonyn
  • Score: -2

12:54am Mon 17 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
What's the fuss?

We the Greens are happy to accommodate anyone in Brighton, especially those that damage the city, create chaos and mess for the residents to have to deal with. We especially like those that contribute nothing and take everything.

We are the Greens
Change the record why dontcha.....
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: What's the fuss? We the Greens are happy to accommodate anyone in Brighton, especially those that damage the city, create chaos and mess for the residents to have to deal with. We especially like those that contribute nothing and take everything. We are the Greens[/p][/quote]Change the record why dontcha..... Poem58
  • Score: 2

1:03am Mon 17 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
Laserluke wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife
Blackpool is a dump - it is like Brighton was in the Seventies. Brighton's night-life, weather, restaurants, architecture and culture are far superior.
funny i dont ever remember stones on the beach in blackpool ,or the open areas were seedy people go for open air sex ,nor has it ever been the drug death capital that brighton is ,
What's with all the "my towns better than your town" guff?

I know Blackpool well, it's a fun town with genuine character... and I've met a few right characters there I can tell you. Not an overabundance of post restaurants - but a great place nevertheless.

Whereas Brighton's a magnificent sleazy, bohemian hideaway from the stifling normality of the rest of Britain... which is why I live here.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Laserluke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: at least blackpool has a sandy beach ,and a decent nightlife[/p][/quote]Blackpool is a dump - it is like Brighton was in the Seventies. Brighton's night-life, weather, restaurants, architecture and culture are far superior.[/p][/quote]funny i dont ever remember stones on the beach in blackpool ,or the open areas were seedy people go for open air sex ,nor has it ever been the drug death capital that brighton is ,[/p][/quote]What's with all the "my towns better than your town" guff? I know Blackpool well, it's a fun town with genuine character... and I've met a few right characters there I can tell you. Not an overabundance of post restaurants - but a great place nevertheless. Whereas Brighton's a magnificent sleazy, bohemian hideaway from the stifling normality of the rest of Britain... which is why I live here. Poem58
  • Score: 2

10:07pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

juleshove wrote:
Agree these party houses should be closed down. Damaging to Brighton reputation. We are not trying to compete with tacky resorts like Blackpool or southend.
What reputation does Brighton have, a haven for drug addicts and beggars, where 'travellers' are welcomed to rip up and destroy fields and sports grounds, and where every other shop is either a charity shop or a convenience store selling cheap booze to the street drinkers. The old black and white film of Brighton Rock showed how run down and seedy Brighton was and it hasn't changed.
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: Agree these party houses should be closed down. Damaging to Brighton reputation. We are not trying to compete with tacky resorts like Blackpool or southend.[/p][/quote]What reputation does Brighton have, a haven for drug addicts and beggars, where 'travellers' are welcomed to rip up and destroy fields and sports grounds, and where every other shop is either a charity shop or a convenience store selling cheap booze to the street drinkers. The old black and white film of Brighton Rock showed how run down and seedy Brighton was and it hasn't changed. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 1

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