Brighton and Hove Green party infighting could leave way clear for UKIP councillors - or even MP, party claims

The Argus: A UAF placard outside the meeting on Tuesday night A UAF placard outside the meeting on Tuesday night

UKIP candidates accused council bosses of making a “pig's ear” of Brighton as anti-fascist campaigners heckled visitors at their party meeting.

New European election candidates said the party is looking to get their own councillors in at Brighton and Hove City Council at the next local elections and they are hoping to get a UKIP MP voted in within the Brighton and Hove area too.

There was a strong police presence as 30 protesters from the Unite Against Fascism and the Stand Up To UKIP campaign groups heckled those making their way into the party’s European election campaign meeting at Portslade Town Hall.

The evening featured question and answer sessions with the MEP hopefuls Janice Atkinson, a former Conservative Parliamentary candidate, and Ray Finch, a Hampshire county councillor.

Inside the meeting the pair were quizzed by a crowd of more than 100 people on party policies, immigration, housing, independence from Europe and sentencing for sex offenders.

They also addressed accusations that the party was racist and xenophobic.

Speaking to The Argus following the two-hour event, MEP candidate Ray Finch said: “We've had scores of people here tonight, which shows people are listening. We had people inside who came to make their point against us in a respectable and democratic manner, which was great.

“But the problem is the fascists outside. Whether they are left or right, the only difference is the length of their hair. They are not interested in listening or discussion, just closing down debate.”

Asked about UKIP's intentions for Sussex and Brighton and Hove in the 2015 General Election, Cllr Finch said: “Seeing what's been going on at the council is an incentive for us to target the city, definitely.

“The Greens have made a pig's ear of Brighton and Hove and haven no idea how to run the place. They have conned people into thinking they are competent in running a council but we can see now they are not.”

UKIP's Janice Atkinson added: “I know Mike Weatherley in this seat, we were Torys together, but he has a slim majority. We are the opposition on West Sussex County Council and have hopes for the rest of Sussex now too. We just need to convince people if they vote UKIP, they get UKIP.”

A spokesman for the Stand Up To UKIP campaign said: “UKIP likes to present itself as a party of the people, but tonight we showed that many people are ready to oppose it.

“UKIP is run by a wealthy ex-banker but wants to con ordinary working people into believing it stands for them. By scapegoating migrant workers, women, LGBT people and other minorities UKIP thinks it will win support, but in Brighton and elsewhere this politics of hate is being rejected.”

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5:58am Thu 20 Feb 14

Greyrun says...

Unite against fascism should change there name to Unite against democracy.
Unite against fascism should change there name to Unite against democracy. Greyrun

7:00am Thu 20 Feb 14

wexler53 says...

The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again. wexler53

7:09am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Are you angry all the time? Is your hair grey? Vote UKIP!
Are you angry all the time? Is your hair grey? Vote UKIP! Gribbet

7:24am Thu 20 Feb 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

It's a disgrace an absolute disgrace that these so called UAF wasters (nasty smelly little Marxist trash) are even allowed a voice. They don't respect democracy and shouldn't be allowed to benefit from it

In Brighton there are more miscreant elephants in the room than cycle paths and it's time to flush them out and the perpetrators out of the city

Wasters
It's a disgrace an absolute disgrace that these so called UAF wasters (nasty smelly little Marxist trash) are even allowed a voice. They don't respect democracy and shouldn't be allowed to benefit from it In Brighton there are more miscreant elephants in the room than cycle paths and it's time to flush them out and the perpetrators out of the city Wasters Somethingsarejustwrong

7:53am Thu 20 Feb 14

the red head says...

We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better. the red head

9:09am Thu 20 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
[quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. HJarrs

9:10am Thu 20 Feb 14

imfree! says...

At last everyone is finally seeing the the light
At last everyone is finally seeing the the light imfree!

9:32am Thu 20 Feb 14

Gribbet says...

Somethingsarejustwro
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wrote:
It's a disgrace an absolute disgrace that these so called UAF wasters (nasty smelly little Marxist trash) are even allowed a voice. They don't respect democracy and shouldn't be allowed to benefit from it

In Brighton there are more miscreant elephants in the room than cycle paths and it's time to flush them out and the perpetrators out of the city

Wasters
Looks like the spirit of Idi Amin is alive and well and living in Brighton & Hove.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: It's a disgrace an absolute disgrace that these so called UAF wasters (nasty smelly little Marxist trash) are even allowed a voice. They don't respect democracy and shouldn't be allowed to benefit from it In Brighton there are more miscreant elephants in the room than cycle paths and it's time to flush them out and the perpetrators out of the city Wasters[/p][/quote]Looks like the spirit of Idi Amin is alive and well and living in Brighton & Hove. Gribbet

10:24am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better! Richada

10:37am Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Transparent?

They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from.

The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin.

Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party.

UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for.......

.......with the Greens, we got something very different.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Transparent? They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from. The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin. Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party. UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for....... .......with the Greens, we got something very different. Richada

10:44am Thu 20 Feb 14

Martha Gunn says...

H. Jarrs @9.09 is quite right.

The Green Party is indeed the 'most transparent administration'.

...But only in the sense that everyone now sees right through them.
H. Jarrs @9.09 is quite right. The Green Party is indeed the 'most transparent administration'. ...But only in the sense that everyone now sees right through them. Martha Gunn

12:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

J_Brightonandhove says...

HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
HJarrs: -

Are you going to comment on your statement in a previous thread where you finally admitted to being a Green party member after continiously denying that you weren't?

Happy to post your comment if you'd like reminding?

So don't talk about transparency. You're an outright liar as are you party.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]HJarrs: - Are you going to comment on your statement in a previous thread where you finally admitted to being a Green party member after continiously denying that you weren't? Happy to post your comment if you'd like reminding? So don't talk about transparency. You're an outright liar as are you party. J_Brightonandhove

12:40pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now? Ambo Guy

1:28pm Thu 20 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
HJ is preparing what can only be described as a 'show-stopping, game-changing' statement that will put all you anti-Greens back in your boxes.

In the interim please be extend HJ the respect that has been shown to you by the Green party membership
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?[/p][/quote]HJ is preparing what can only be described as a 'show-stopping, game-changing' statement that will put all you anti-Greens back in your boxes. In the interim please be extend HJ the respect that has been shown to you by the Green party membership I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

1:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
HJ is preparing what can only be described as a 'show-stopping, game-changing' statement that will put all you anti-Greens back in your boxes.

In the interim please be extend HJ the respect that has been shown to you by the Green party membership
Ah "show stopping" that's what we need - the show stopped.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?[/p][/quote]HJ is preparing what can only be described as a 'show-stopping, game-changing' statement that will put all you anti-Greens back in your boxes. In the interim please be extend HJ the respect that has been shown to you by the Green party membership[/p][/quote]Ah "show stopping" that's what we need - the show stopped. Richada

2:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

I disagree with UKIP inasmuch as they have a very narrow manifesto and if they were ever in power would struggle with the nitty-gritty of local politics (much as the loony Green Party have) BUT whether a UKIP councillor or MP is elected or not is up to the electorate, not a rentamob of left wing thugs.
I disagree with UKIP inasmuch as they have a very narrow manifesto and if they were ever in power would struggle with the nitty-gritty of local politics (much as the loony Green Party have) BUT whether a UKIP councillor or MP is elected or not is up to the electorate, not a rentamob of left wing thugs. Bill in Hanover

2:34pm Thu 20 Feb 14

s_james says...

While we're on the subject of loony extremists, I wonder what an Argus Comments Board Party would be like

*shudder*
While we're on the subject of loony extremists, I wonder what an Argus Comments Board Party would be like *shudder* s_james

3:49pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Sir Prised says...

HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Meawhile the world population has increased from 6 billion in 1990s to 7 billion at the present moment, to which you can add the totally reasonable demand for an improved standard of living across the entire planet. The Green answer is extra taxes. We need to control the population and quickly, before demand prices many people out of many essentials.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Meawhile the world population has increased from 6 billion in 1990s to 7 billion at the present moment, to which you can add the totally reasonable demand for an improved standard of living across the entire planet. The Green answer is extra taxes. We need to control the population and quickly, before demand prices many people out of many essentials. Sir Prised

5:02pm Thu 20 Feb 14

angrymonkey says...

in the past it payed to be hard working and a great place to live here in the UK its all going down the pan at the moment loads lazy people getting money for doing sod all loads coming in from over sea for a easy life cut backs of all are services form NHS, police, Fire and ambulance and we giving billions to over seas when no money to help people flooded here in the UK. I'm all for UkIP as about time we stand up for the UK and see how they do as its only getting worse with the lot we have now.
in the past it payed to be hard working and a great place to live here in the UK its all going down the pan at the moment loads lazy people getting money for doing sod all loads coming in from over sea for a easy life cut backs of all are services form NHS, police, Fire and ambulance and we giving billions to over seas when no money to help people flooded here in the UK. I'm all for UkIP as about time we stand up for the UK and see how they do as its only getting worse with the lot we have now. angrymonkey

5:07pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

The only,'politics of hate' on display were from the so called protesters. They are the ones who are consumed with hate, bile & vitriol. Luckily the general public see through all that invective to the real issues that UKIP so passionately believe in - regaining control of our country from the clutches of the EU before 'one nation', doesn't just refer to a Labour slogan, but is Europe wide!The only,'politics of hate' on display were from the so called protesters. They are the ones who are consumed with hate, bile & vitriol. Luckily the general public see through all that invective to the real issues that UKIP so passionately believe in - regaining control of our country from the clutches of the EU before 'one nation', doesn't just refer to a Labour slogan, but is Europe wide!
The only,'politics of hate' on display were from the so called protesters. They are the ones who are consumed with hate, bile & vitriol. Luckily the general public see through all that invective to the real issues that UKIP so passionately believe in - regaining control of our country from the clutches of the EU before 'one nation', doesn't just refer to a Labour slogan, but is Europe wide!The only,'politics of hate' on display were from the so called protesters. They are the ones who are consumed with hate, bile & vitriol. Luckily the general public see through all that invective to the real issues that UKIP so passionately believe in - regaining control of our country from the clutches of the EU before 'one nation', doesn't just refer to a Labour slogan, but is Europe wide! Kirk D

5:54pm Thu 20 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me.

To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on.

Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves.

I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me. To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on. Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves. I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude. HJarrs

5:55pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

Gribbet wrote:
Are you angry all the time? Is your hair grey? Vote UKIP!
Gribbet, if your lucky one day you may have grey hair & you may well have cause to be angry! I have some grey hair, vote UKIP but am seldom angry: my slogan is this: keep calm & vote UKIP! I have even designed a purple Tshirt with gold letters emblazoned, & guess what; I'm proud to call myself a UKIP member & voter. UKIP are the only party campaigning to regain our sovereign rights from the EU! A simple trade agreement is all we require with the European Union - not masses of legislation, a single currency & an integrated fiscal & monetary union!

I trust Nigel & his party nationally & locally. It was a shame that UKIP Council leader Mike Glennon's unitary council motion tabled at County Hall in Chichester was so casually disregarded by the Tories. A better way of saving money by cutting layers of local bureaucracy was missed when the Conservatives voted against!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: Are you angry all the time? Is your hair grey? Vote UKIP![/p][/quote]Gribbet, if your lucky one day you may have grey hair & you may well have cause to be angry! I have some grey hair, vote UKIP but am seldom angry: my slogan is this: keep calm & vote UKIP! I have even designed a purple Tshirt with gold letters emblazoned, & guess what; I'm proud to call myself a UKIP member & voter. UKIP are the only party campaigning to regain our sovereign rights from the EU! A simple trade agreement is all we require with the European Union - not masses of legislation, a single currency & an integrated fiscal & monetary union! I trust Nigel & his party nationally & locally. It was a shame that UKIP Council leader Mike Glennon's unitary council motion tabled at County Hall in Chichester was so casually disregarded by the Tories. A better way of saving money by cutting layers of local bureaucracy was missed when the Conservatives voted against! Kirk D

5:58pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ourcoalition says...

Women are "****".

The floods are due to gay marriage.

"Bongo, Bongo land".

Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!!
Women are "****". The floods are due to gay marriage. "Bongo, Bongo land". Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!! ourcoalition

6:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Transparent?

They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from.

The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin.

Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party.

UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for.......

.......with the Greens, we got something very different.
Maybe UKIP and the Greens share being part of an uncertain (or exciting ?) new era in politics; it's easy to rubbish politicians, but they represent us and have power, and lots of people want to see a shake-up away from just the old two parties..
UKIP offer some easy whipping boys and girls - Europe, foreigners, etc. But real choices for our communities need more grown-up policies than that. At least the Greens want to protect social care for the least independent (via the referendum on a council tax rise), safer streets with less air pollution (20 mph etc), and fairer pay for all (the Living Wage and the difficult settlement with CityClean workers).
As for transparency - they do detailed consultations, eg before a new parking zone, then (as in my area, Hanover) if the responses are against, they drop it. That's good enough for me, even if we are still getting used to their fresh/ different approach.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Transparent? They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from. The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin. Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party. UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for....... .......with the Greens, we got something very different.[/p][/quote]Maybe UKIP and the Greens share being part of an uncertain (or exciting ?) new era in politics; it's easy to rubbish politicians, but they represent us and have power, and lots of people want to see a shake-up away from just the old two parties.. UKIP offer some easy whipping boys and girls - Europe, foreigners, etc. But real choices for our communities need more grown-up policies than that. At least the Greens want to protect social care for the least independent (via the referendum on a council tax rise), safer streets with less air pollution (20 mph etc), and fairer pay for all (the Living Wage and the difficult settlement with CityClean workers). As for transparency - they do detailed consultations, eg before a new parking zone, then (as in my area, Hanover) if the responses are against, they drop it. That's good enough for me, even if we are still getting used to their fresh/ different approach. dickpagebrighton

7:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

Regarding the poster who said that UKIP MEPs have their snouts in the tough: By the end of May we may well find that after all the Euro results are in, the so called European Parliament may be staffed by up to 35% of Eurosceptic MPs.................
that's what it is all about. Taking over the Parliament & slowing it's decision making process. Fight the beast from within. As for voting: typically there are multiple motions that MEPs are expected to vote on in less than 30 minutes. You cannot pick the motion you agree with so find yourself abstaining. That's the way it is. Very undemocratic!
Regarding the poster who said that UKIP MEPs have their snouts in the tough: By the end of May we may well find that after all the Euro results are in, the so called European Parliament may be staffed by up to 35% of Eurosceptic MPs................. that's what it is all about. Taking over the Parliament & slowing it's decision making process. Fight the beast from within. As for voting: typically there are multiple motions that MEPs are expected to vote on in less than 30 minutes. You cannot pick the motion you agree with so find yourself abstaining. That's the way it is. Very undemocratic! Kirk D

7:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Kirk D wrote:
Regarding the poster who said that UKIP MEPs have their snouts in the tough: By the end of May we may well find that after all the Euro results are in, the so called European Parliament may be staffed by up to 35% of Eurosceptic MPs.................

that's what it is all about. Taking over the Parliament & slowing it's decision making process. Fight the beast from within. As for voting: typically there are multiple motions that MEPs are expected to vote on in less than 30 minutes. You cannot pick the motion you agree with so find yourself abstaining. That's the way it is. Very undemocratic!
So that is even more UKIP MEPs gaming the system at our expense and contributing precisely zero to improving life of Europeans.

Snouts in the trough is actually a minor worry, rather it is the rise of a narrow minded nationalism that I find most worrying and will set us on the road to future conflict.
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Regarding the poster who said that UKIP MEPs have their snouts in the tough: By the end of May we may well find that after all the Euro results are in, the so called European Parliament may be staffed by up to 35% of Eurosceptic MPs................. that's what it is all about. Taking over the Parliament & slowing it's decision making process. Fight the beast from within. As for voting: typically there are multiple motions that MEPs are expected to vote on in less than 30 minutes. You cannot pick the motion you agree with so find yourself abstaining. That's the way it is. Very undemocratic![/p][/quote]So that is even more UKIP MEPs gaming the system at our expense and contributing precisely zero to improving life of Europeans. Snouts in the trough is actually a minor worry, rather it is the rise of a narrow minded nationalism that I find most worrying and will set us on the road to future conflict. HJarrs

8:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
The only snouty trougher round here is you Steve. Consultant out on @rse ring any bells?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]The only snouty trougher round here is you Steve. Consultant out on @rse ring any bells? Dealing with idiots

8:19pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me.

To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on.

Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves.

I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.
Oh dear HJarrs. You can come on here with your silly jokes and bring out your particular favourite 'moanerati' phrase again but you've been found out and again haven't answered the question.

The fact is that you told us all that you were not a Green Party member and were just a member of the public who 'supported them' (despite your 20 - 30 posts) and now you've accidentally admitted that you are. You also said you lived in Brighton one week after saying that you didn't. What you don't seem to comprehend (or choose to ignore) is that now we all think you're a liar there really is no point in carrying on your lies, I just wish you could understand this.

You say you don't care that your posts are constantly voted down but have you ever asked yourself why? Are we all wrong and you're right? Try and come up with a sensible and well balanced reply without using any stupid phrases or spin - see if you can.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me. To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on. Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves. I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.[/p][/quote]Oh dear HJarrs. You can come on here with your silly jokes and bring out your particular favourite 'moanerati' phrase again but you've been found out and again haven't answered the question. The fact is that you told us all that you were not a Green Party member and were just a member of the public who 'supported them' (despite your 20 - 30 posts) and now you've accidentally admitted that you are. You also said you lived in Brighton one week after saying that you didn't. What you don't seem to comprehend (or choose to ignore) is that now we all think you're a liar there really is no point in carrying on your lies, I just wish you could understand this. You say you don't care that your posts are constantly voted down but have you ever asked yourself why? Are we all wrong and you're right? Try and come up with a sensible and well balanced reply without using any stupid phrases or spin - see if you can. Ambo Guy

8:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
The only snouty trougher round here is you Steve. Consultant out on @rse ring any bells?
Nope
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]The only snouty trougher round here is you Steve. Consultant out on @rse ring any bells?[/p][/quote]Nope HJarrs

8:51pm Thu 20 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me.

To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on.

Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves.

I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.
Oh dear HJarrs. You can come on here with your silly jokes and bring out your particular favourite 'moanerati' phrase again but you've been found out and again haven't answered the question.

The fact is that you told us all that you were not a Green Party member and were just a member of the public who 'supported them' (despite your 20 - 30 posts) and now you've accidentally admitted that you are. You also said you lived in Brighton one week after saying that you didn't. What you don't seem to comprehend (or choose to ignore) is that now we all think you're a liar there really is no point in carrying on your lies, I just wish you could understand this.

You say you don't care that your posts are constantly voted down but have you ever asked yourself why? Are we all wrong and you're right? Try and come up with a sensible and well balanced reply without using any stupid phrases or spin - see if you can.
You go on and on Amboguy, you are obsessed by me just as is my very good friend Dealing (where were you in the Metropole Dealing with idiots? I was stood up again! You are such a tease!). I realise it is a desperate attempt to discredit rather than discuss or debate issues.

I think the moanerati is an accurate description of the people like your good self who week-in, week-out just post your moaning misery. To be fair UKIP is a good fit for many of the moanerati that post on here, looking at its policies it is the Moanerati Party! And no, I couldn't care less if people vote my comments up or down, I don't bother looking; my opinion is my opinion take it or leave it.

Find a post where I posted what you claim? Date and time and story. Put up or shut up time. Off you go. In the meantime, tell us about yourself....
[quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me. To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on. Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves. I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.[/p][/quote]Oh dear HJarrs. You can come on here with your silly jokes and bring out your particular favourite 'moanerati' phrase again but you've been found out and again haven't answered the question. The fact is that you told us all that you were not a Green Party member and were just a member of the public who 'supported them' (despite your 20 - 30 posts) and now you've accidentally admitted that you are. You also said you lived in Brighton one week after saying that you didn't. What you don't seem to comprehend (or choose to ignore) is that now we all think you're a liar there really is no point in carrying on your lies, I just wish you could understand this. You say you don't care that your posts are constantly voted down but have you ever asked yourself why? Are we all wrong and you're right? Try and come up with a sensible and well balanced reply without using any stupid phrases or spin - see if you can.[/p][/quote]You go on and on Amboguy, you are obsessed by me just as is my very good friend Dealing (where were you in the Metropole Dealing with idiots? I was stood up again! You are such a tease!). I realise it is a desperate attempt to discredit rather than discuss or debate issues. I think the moanerati is an accurate description of the people like your good self who week-in, week-out just post your moaning misery. To be fair UKIP is a good fit for many of the moanerati that post on here, looking at its policies it is the Moanerati Party! And no, I couldn't care less if people vote my comments up or down, I don't bother looking; my opinion is my opinion take it or leave it. Find a post where I posted what you claim? Date and time and story. Put up or shut up time. Off you go. In the meantime, tell us about yourself.... HJarrs

9:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

What are the UAF afraid of? That we (UKIP) are spreading intolerance or hatred? Are you kidding me?!

If that much is true then why do you not oppose the hatred or intolerance that the likes of Anjem Choudary and his extremist following put out in there marches in London and there fliers stuck up around the country encouraging Sharia Law and Sharia Courts?

Anjem's perversion of the Koran would have vial forms of corporal punishment, female genital mutilations and human rights going right out the window. These are the sorts of people you should be focusing on.

Yet i don't remember seeing you guys in Brick Lane the other week when they were trying to enforce Sharia Law on the local populas.

I don't remember any of you opposing the violent protests in which they depicted placards saying "Christian soldiers burn in hell" and "behead those who insult Muhammad".
I don't remember any of your members confronting the gangs of people those extremists have going around London attacking Londoners who just don't conform to what they desire under Sharia Law.

I could jump to a conclusion like some of you on here and say that because you guys didn't take part in any opposition to this extreme behavior it must mean you are in favour of Sharia Law and the extremism that comes with it.

But thank God i am allot more level headed than most of you on here.

I don't hate Muslims. In fact i happen to believe most of them are peaceful.

I completely oppose the EDL and the BNP. I think they are just about the most contemptible false impressionists you can find.

The EDL have fooled normal decent people who should be constructively expressing there beliefs into joining a unhelpful mob culture.
As for the BNP. Paying immigrants to leave if they get into power? Are you kidding me?!

But they are Far Right. UKIP are nothing like them and trying to say otherwise is just about the most disingenuous thing a group could do!

We all know the real reason why you attack UKIP on every opportunity you get. It's for the following reasons and the following reasons only:

-It's fashionable for you to attack UKIP, you could even say it's Xenophobic of UAF - If you attack UKIP then you can boast about it to your mates can't you. You can say "i was there to oppose those horrible UKIP supporters". The reality is UKIP are different. That scares you. So you oppose it.

-The vast majority of UAF supporters are supporters of the Left. So we are talking Labour, Green's and other smaller left sided parties. So of course any opposition of a right Party is in your general political interest.

- It feels good to oppose something. I myself oppose my football teams owners because of there poor running of my club. I also oppose the abysmal treatment disabled people have gotten from our current Government (i have witnessed people die trying to regain there disability living allowances cut by our current Government). How friends and family who are approaching retirement age have had there pensions fiddled with again and again by this Government. I oppose former members of our armed forces being tossed out on the street. Many with disabilities and serious mental health issues. I oppose Far Right organisations and parties. That much is evident from my being chucked out of a group recently when I objected to someone generalising about all Muslims being "evil" and Jews being "slimeballs". All i can say is thank God this wasn't a UKIP group.

I oppose all forms of bullying. I believe all people have the right to speak. People have the right to protest in a lawful way for the right reasons. I believe in Gay Rights, Racial equality (was fighting it yesterday believe it or not) and a great many other things.

I have friends who i quite happily sit down and talk with from different religions and nations. Anything from Latvia to Poland, Bangladesh and Pakistan to Ghana and Nigeria. I don't have a problem with them. They don't have a problem with me. I discuss my concerns with them and they understand them.

Some of them even agree with me. I have Russian friends who openly laugh at how silly our Immigration policy is.

My point is it feels good to oppose what you believe in.
But one thing that is abundantly clear is that allot of you don't even know UKIP's policies. You generalise. Fall back on vague insults and don't explain them.
You don't give anyone a opportunity to explain where they are coming from or what they believe in.

I spend literally hours trying to explain to people that UKIP aren't opposed to immigration, they want a realistic controlled immigration system like Canada and Australia.

They don't want to point at certain people and say. "You, you are from so and so country so we don't want to let you in..."
They want to do things in a right way.
They want to accept people in for the right reasons. People who have the right qualifications to add to our community and our jobs going. They want to accept people in on student visas and then once they have obtained qualifications welcome them into gainful full-time employment.

No-matter how much you would like it. We as a country can not keep accepting hundreds of thousands of people in. We don't have the housing infrastructure, education system or healthcare to manage it. We are barely managing what we currently have in the country for goodness sakes!

This utter lie that some jobs can only be done by unskilled workers from abroad. That our people are somehow too proud to do certain jobs is again a lie.

The apple and strawberry fields weren't going rotten before immigration began at it's current rate in the 90's.
Bins were being emptied, hospitals were being cleaned and industry was ticking along just fine!

As I have said, UKIP don't have any problems with letting people in for the right reasons!

But wouldn't you be more comfortable knowing that people we let into this country do not have violent criminal records. Don't have harmful infectious diseases that could harm you or your family? Or don't have hidden histories such as the hideous tales we hear about mass murdering tribal leaders or extremists that encourage terrorism.

I can cite multiple examples of the above and how they could have been avoided. This isn't careless, racist or xenophobic. These are legitimate issues and concerns.

Before people start flinging insults my way. I am not saying it's a huge problem. But surely one person encouraging young Muslims in this country to blow themselves up to harm others is one too many!

We have already seen it for goodness sakes. Already spent money that could be better used on foreign aid and domestic aid trying to get rid of the likes of Abu Qatada and Abu Hanza. These people that ruin the lives of so many. Not just there victims but the people they manipulate too!

I'm sure none of you lot would have liked either of those individuals over for tea would you?

These are all legitimate concerns. Whether you like to admit it or not.
Somewhere in the region of 60%-70% of the population want some form of reform with regards to the immigration system.

Minorities are even getting involved saying the immigration system is a mess. People from other countries are giving there input on the impact.

Are they all racist and xenophobic or do they have legit concerns?

If you want to oppose people, oppose those who take advantage of low-skilled labour. Those who would bring people to work here for a wage near the Poverty line putting others out of work to get cheap labour.

This exists, nobody can deny this. All of the mainstream parties including Labour have spoken about it. Have said it is a problem. But what is being done to address it?

Oppose them.
Oppose those business's that force people closer and closer toward the poverty line. Those who force people to rely on handouts and food banks ruining there spirit.

You don't oppose businessmen putting people into poverty but you oppose UKIP? Really?!

I keep being told UKIP are "racist"... How? They don't single out any religion outside the confines of the law.

They talk about women's rights when it comes to extreme religion? Would you rather do away with women's rights?

They opposed the full face burka/niqab for legit reasons. Safety reasons. Something which has again been justified looking at the 'so called' white widow who fled the country under the vale of the Niqab.

I have no doubts that some Muslim women wear it through choice. But how many do not? Denying that some are forced to is as foolhardy as saying that domestic abuse does not exist.

Gay rights. Yes a complete numpty made some truly pathetic comments about Gays making floods. He was sacked because of the truly ridiculous nature of what he said? Rightly... Does anyone ever mention he made the same comments when a member of the Conservative Party? No they don't. I wonder why? Do they mention whether the Tories sacked him when he made those comments? No. The question hasn't even been asked for goodness sakes!

If UKIP are guilty of anything it's letting one or two idiots through the cracks. But having said that. UKIP are the only party who don't allow former National Front, BNP or Right Wing members join the party. Unlike ALL the other parties.

UKIP have a vastly smaller budget with which to check people's histories before they join the Party. But as soon as something happens. Action is taken.
See the clumsy oaf Mr Bloom and his whip being taken away from him.

The difference between UKIP and the other parties is when one of another parties idiots say something, it's expected as we know they have former Right Wing members representing them. Known BNP and National Front members have defected to the Big Two parties.

Where as if a UKIP member says something, it immediately gets pounced on by a very pro-EU, very pro-Big-Two political party press!

People point at UKIP's opposing Gay Marriage. Has anyone tried to understand why?
It's because of the strain it puts on religious institutions to force them to commit to marriages that they don't believe in!

Are you attacking religious institutions for opposing gay marriages? No of course not because that would reflect badly on you wouldn't it?! So attack the Party that stands up for religious rights under the guise of homophobia!

Nobody considers the legal abuses that could take place in this instance. Another legitimate concern.

You attack UKIP MEP's wages... Those wages that are no different to MEP wages for any other party! Again the only difference is that UKIP's wages are disclosed.

Did anyone oppose MP's in Parliament awarding themselves a 17% pay rise last year? This is when they are cutting back on jobs at local councils (2,000 went yesterday at Wolverhampton County Council) and cutbacks on the sea defense budget (£170 million cut last year) aids in the damage this year meaning we have to spend far far more putting it right!

Do UAF oppose the colossal waste of money that is HS2. This money could be much better served maintaining our hospitals, schools, building houses and maintaining our already existing transport network and giving a legitimate reason for continuing immigration which as a result of this would be more suitable and sustainable.

Nope!

I wanted to attend the UKIP meeting yesterday as a proud and free British Citizen. The UAF prevented me my right to do this.

Not because they wanted to "debate" as was called upon on there Twitter page. But because most UAF members don't understand and don't want to debate.

You don't have to look any further than the conference in Hove when UAF used megaphones and stood up during the conference to disrupt and shout down civil debate.

This isn't peaceful protest. This is bullying.

I suffer from a degenerative disability. That means my health declines over the years.
8 years ago I fell over walking down the road and broke my kneecap. Just tripping over a pipe lead to me having to have my kneecap wired back together and being committed to using crutches (if lucky) for the rest of my life. My legs quite literally faded away beneath me.
Because of this accident it meant that my health spiraled. It got worse very quickly because of a silly little accident.

Not only my physical health but my mental health suffered. I suffered from depression for a long time and spent the best part of 3 years rebuilding my life, my health and my confidence.

For a long period of time i suffered from Agoraphobia through the fear my health would get much worse if I had another accident. I barely left my house let alone my town for 3 years. But over time i overcame this.

One little shove from one of your members could set my health back permanently. Could result in another prolonged period of recovery that I might not even overcome!

Can ANY of you imagine what that must be like? Imagine what it is to feel like that and have that much concern for one's safety.

Imagine how it feels to worry that someone might follow you back from a venue to a bus stop and possibly attack you?

Whilst doing a photography project some years ago i witnessed UAF members throwing glass bottles of Urine at EDL members. How do i know that you guys aren't going to resort to these tactics.
All it takes is for me to be knocked off balance and i could fall.

Don't tell me that UAF members aren't beyond abuse. We have all seen the video footage of UAF members abusing UKIP members and blood donors attending Hove Town Hall, another meeting i was preventing from attending. This time actually getting to the Town Hall only to be advised not to risk it.

I believe in UKIP. there policies, and what they are aiming for.

I would be happy to sit down with any one of you and discuss why i believe in UKIP.

I am quite happy to openly talk about anything.

But as we saw earlier from your members shouting racist accusations at pensioners (have seen photos and been given feedback from neutrals). Not many of the people who attended the demonstration wanted to debate or be peaceful.

They wanted to shout. They wanted to abuse. They wanted to boost there own egos. They wanted to feel superior. They wanted to stop people assembling to discuss something they felt they didn't agree with.

That summary makes you sound like the EDL minus the racism for Gods sakes. But who can deny my summation is untrue?

Why can't any of you sit down around a table and discuss things maturely?

Are you really telling me this is not a option? If so why not?

I think those of you who condone preventing freedom of speech. Threatening the elderly and disabled should be ashamed of yourselves.

I had a UAF member earlier on Twitter who doesn't know me and i have never spoken to in my entire life wish death on me.

Is that what you guys represent? Where on Earth do you draw the line?!

United Against Fascism by shouting, being abusive, shutting down debate and wishing physical harm on people have become exactly what they claim to oppose.

Maybe someone should create a group called UAUAF. United Against United Against Fascism. Because from what i have seen. The very premise of your party is a lie!

The night before last i replied to a leaflet that was posted on a UAF Twitter page.
I carefully and constructively answered points on each individual accusation that was leveled against Nigel Farage and UKIP. It took me over an hour to do.

24 hours later the tweet and all of my replies had been deleted. Why? Because UAF couldn't answer the points i raised? Either that or couldn't be bothered.

How is that fair or acceptable?
What are the UAF afraid of? That we (UKIP) are spreading intolerance or hatred? Are you kidding me?! If that much is true then why do you not oppose the hatred or intolerance that the likes of Anjem Choudary and his extremist following put out in there marches in London and there fliers stuck up around the country encouraging Sharia Law and Sharia Courts? Anjem's perversion of the Koran would have vial forms of corporal punishment, female genital mutilations and human rights going right out the window. These are the sorts of people you should be focusing on. Yet i don't remember seeing you guys in Brick Lane the other week when they were trying to enforce Sharia Law on the local populas. I don't remember any of you opposing the violent protests in which they depicted placards saying "Christian soldiers burn in hell" and "behead those who insult Muhammad". I don't remember any of your members confronting the gangs of people those extremists have going around London attacking Londoners who just don't conform to what they desire under Sharia Law. I could jump to a conclusion like some of you on here and say that because you guys didn't take part in any opposition to this extreme behavior it must mean you are in favour of Sharia Law and the extremism that comes with it. But thank God i am allot more level headed than most of you on here. I don't hate Muslims. In fact i happen to believe most of them are peaceful. I completely oppose the EDL and the BNP. I think they are just about the most contemptible false impressionists you can find. The EDL have fooled normal decent people who should be constructively expressing there beliefs into joining a unhelpful mob culture. As for the BNP. Paying immigrants to leave if they get into power? Are you kidding me?! But they are Far Right. UKIP are nothing like them and trying to say otherwise is just about the most disingenuous thing a group could do! We all know the real reason why you attack UKIP on every opportunity you get. It's for the following reasons and the following reasons only: -It's fashionable for you to attack UKIP, you could even say it's Xenophobic of UAF - If you attack UKIP then you can boast about it to your mates can't you. You can say "i was there to oppose those horrible UKIP supporters". The reality is UKIP are different. That scares you. So you oppose it. -The vast majority of UAF supporters are supporters of the Left. So we are talking Labour, Green's and other smaller left sided parties. So of course any opposition of a right Party is in your general political interest. - It feels good to oppose something. I myself oppose my football teams owners because of there poor running of my club. I also oppose the abysmal treatment disabled people have gotten from our current Government (i have witnessed people die trying to regain there disability living allowances cut by our current Government). How friends and family who are approaching retirement age have had there pensions fiddled with again and again by this Government. I oppose former members of our armed forces being tossed out on the street. Many with disabilities and serious mental health issues. I oppose Far Right organisations and parties. That much is evident from my being chucked out of a group recently when I objected to someone generalising about all Muslims being "evil" and Jews being "slimeballs". All i can say is thank God this wasn't a UKIP group. I oppose all forms of bullying. I believe all people have the right to speak. People have the right to protest in a lawful way for the right reasons. I believe in Gay Rights, Racial equality (was fighting it yesterday believe it or not) and a great many other things. I have friends who i quite happily sit down and talk with from different religions and nations. Anything from Latvia to Poland, Bangladesh and Pakistan to Ghana and Nigeria. I don't have a problem with them. They don't have a problem with me. I discuss my concerns with them and they understand them. Some of them even agree with me. I have Russian friends who openly laugh at how silly our Immigration policy is. My point is it feels good to oppose what you believe in. But one thing that is abundantly clear is that allot of you don't even know UKIP's policies. You generalise. Fall back on vague insults and don't explain them. You don't give anyone a opportunity to explain where they are coming from or what they believe in. I spend literally hours trying to explain to people that UKIP aren't opposed to immigration, they want a realistic controlled immigration system like Canada and Australia. They don't want to point at certain people and say. "You, you are from so and so country so we don't want to let you in..." They want to do things in a right way. They want to accept people in for the right reasons. People who have the right qualifications to add to our community and our jobs going. They want to accept people in on student visas and then once they have obtained qualifications welcome them into gainful full-time employment. No-matter how much you would like it. We as a country can not keep accepting hundreds of thousands of people in. We don't have the housing infrastructure, education system or healthcare to manage it. We are barely managing what we currently have in the country for goodness sakes! This utter lie that some jobs can only be done by unskilled workers from abroad. That our people are somehow too proud to do certain jobs is again a lie. The apple and strawberry fields weren't going rotten before immigration began at it's current rate in the 90's. Bins were being emptied, hospitals were being cleaned and industry was ticking along just fine! As I have said, UKIP don't have any problems with letting people in for the right reasons! But wouldn't you be more comfortable knowing that people we let into this country do not have violent criminal records. Don't have harmful infectious diseases that could harm you or your family? Or don't have hidden histories such as the hideous tales we hear about mass murdering tribal leaders or extremists that encourage terrorism. I can cite multiple examples of the above and how they could have been avoided. This isn't careless, racist or xenophobic. These are legitimate issues and concerns. Before people start flinging insults my way. I am not saying it's a huge problem. But surely one person encouraging young Muslims in this country to blow themselves up to harm others is one too many! We have already seen it for goodness sakes. Already spent money that could be better used on foreign aid and domestic aid trying to get rid of the likes of Abu Qatada and Abu Hanza. These people that ruin the lives of so many. Not just there victims but the people they manipulate too! I'm sure none of you lot would have liked either of those individuals over for tea would you? These are all legitimate concerns. Whether you like to admit it or not. Somewhere in the region of 60%-70% of the population want some form of reform with regards to the immigration system. Minorities are even getting involved saying the immigration system is a mess. People from other countries are giving there input on the impact. Are they all racist and xenophobic or do they have legit concerns? If you want to oppose people, oppose those who take advantage of low-skilled labour. Those who would bring people to work here for a wage near the Poverty line putting others out of work to get cheap labour. This exists, nobody can deny this. All of the mainstream parties including Labour have spoken about it. Have said it is a problem. But what is being done to address it? Oppose them. Oppose those business's that force people closer and closer toward the poverty line. Those who force people to rely on handouts and food banks ruining there spirit. You don't oppose businessmen putting people into poverty but you oppose UKIP? Really?! I keep being told UKIP are "racist"... How? They don't single out any religion outside the confines of the law. They talk about women's rights when it comes to extreme religion? Would you rather do away with women's rights? They opposed the full face burka/niqab for legit reasons. Safety reasons. Something which has again been justified looking at the 'so called' white widow who fled the country under the vale of the Niqab. I have no doubts that some Muslim women wear it through choice. But how many do not? Denying that some are forced to is as foolhardy as saying that domestic abuse does not exist. Gay rights. Yes a complete numpty made some truly pathetic comments about Gays making floods. He was sacked because of the truly ridiculous nature of what he said? Rightly... Does anyone ever mention he made the same comments when a member of the Conservative Party? No they don't. I wonder why? Do they mention whether the Tories sacked him when he made those comments? No. The question hasn't even been asked for goodness sakes! If UKIP are guilty of anything it's letting one or two idiots through the cracks. But having said that. UKIP are the only party who don't allow former National Front, BNP or Right Wing members join the party. Unlike ALL the other parties. UKIP have a vastly smaller budget with which to check people's histories before they join the Party. But as soon as something happens. Action is taken. See the clumsy oaf Mr Bloom and his whip being taken away from him. The difference between UKIP and the other parties is when one of another parties idiots say something, it's expected as we know they have former Right Wing members representing them. Known BNP and National Front members have defected to the Big Two parties. Where as if a UKIP member says something, it immediately gets pounced on by a very pro-EU, very pro-Big-Two political party press! People point at UKIP's opposing Gay Marriage. Has anyone tried to understand why? It's because of the strain it puts on religious institutions to force them to commit to marriages that they don't believe in! Are you attacking religious institutions for opposing gay marriages? No of course not because that would reflect badly on you wouldn't it?! So attack the Party that stands up for religious rights under the guise of homophobia! Nobody considers the legal abuses that could take place in this instance. Another legitimate concern. You attack UKIP MEP's wages... Those wages that are no different to MEP wages for any other party! Again the only difference is that UKIP's wages are disclosed. Did anyone oppose MP's in Parliament awarding themselves a 17% pay rise last year? This is when they are cutting back on jobs at local councils (2,000 went yesterday at Wolverhampton County Council) and cutbacks on the sea defense budget (£170 million cut last year) aids in the damage this year meaning we have to spend far far more putting it right! Do UAF oppose the colossal waste of money that is HS2. This money could be much better served maintaining our hospitals, schools, building houses and maintaining our already existing transport network and giving a legitimate reason for continuing immigration which as a result of this would be more suitable and sustainable. Nope! I wanted to attend the UKIP meeting yesterday as a proud and free British Citizen. The UAF prevented me my right to do this. Not because they wanted to "debate" as was called upon on there Twitter page. But because most UAF members don't understand and don't want to debate. You don't have to look any further than the conference in Hove when UAF used megaphones and stood up during the conference to disrupt and shout down civil debate. This isn't peaceful protest. This is bullying. I suffer from a degenerative disability. That means my health declines over the years. 8 years ago I fell over walking down the road and broke my kneecap. Just tripping over a pipe lead to me having to have my kneecap wired back together and being committed to using crutches (if lucky) for the rest of my life. My legs quite literally faded away beneath me. Because of this accident it meant that my health spiraled. It got worse very quickly because of a silly little accident. Not only my physical health but my mental health suffered. I suffered from depression for a long time and spent the best part of 3 years rebuilding my life, my health and my confidence. For a long period of time i suffered from Agoraphobia through the fear my health would get much worse if I had another accident. I barely left my house let alone my town for 3 years. But over time i overcame this. One little shove from one of your members could set my health back permanently. Could result in another prolonged period of recovery that I might not even overcome! Can ANY of you imagine what that must be like? Imagine what it is to feel like that and have that much concern for one's safety. Imagine how it feels to worry that someone might follow you back from a venue to a bus stop and possibly attack you? Whilst doing a photography project some years ago i witnessed UAF members throwing glass bottles of Urine at EDL members. How do i know that you guys aren't going to resort to these tactics. All it takes is for me to be knocked off balance and i could fall. Don't tell me that UAF members aren't beyond abuse. We have all seen the video footage of UAF members abusing UKIP members and blood donors attending Hove Town Hall, another meeting i was preventing from attending. This time actually getting to the Town Hall only to be advised not to risk it. I believe in UKIP. there policies, and what they are aiming for. I would be happy to sit down with any one of you and discuss why i believe in UKIP. I am quite happy to openly talk about anything. But as we saw earlier from your members shouting racist accusations at pensioners (have seen photos and been given feedback from neutrals). Not many of the people who attended the demonstration wanted to debate or be peaceful. They wanted to shout. They wanted to abuse. They wanted to boost there own egos. They wanted to feel superior. They wanted to stop people assembling to discuss something they felt they didn't agree with. That summary makes you sound like the EDL minus the racism for Gods sakes. But who can deny my summation is untrue? Why can't any of you sit down around a table and discuss things maturely? Are you really telling me this is not a option? If so why not? I think those of you who condone preventing freedom of speech. Threatening the elderly and disabled should be ashamed of yourselves. I had a UAF member earlier on Twitter who doesn't know me and i have never spoken to in my entire life wish death on me. Is that what you guys represent? Where on Earth do you draw the line?! United Against Fascism by shouting, being abusive, shutting down debate and wishing physical harm on people have become exactly what they claim to oppose. Maybe someone should create a group called UAUAF. United Against United Against Fascism. Because from what i have seen. The very premise of your party is a lie! The night before last i replied to a leaflet that was posted on a UAF Twitter page. I carefully and constructively answered points on each individual accusation that was leveled against Nigel Farage and UKIP. It took me over an hour to do. 24 hours later the tweet and all of my replies had been deleted. Why? Because UAF couldn't answer the points i raised? Either that or couldn't be bothered. How is that fair or acceptable? tombo1984

9:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
You were doing so well until you said UKIP weren't the answer.

Tories, Labour and Lib Dems are most definitely not the answer.

The last 60 years of failure is testament to that fact!
[quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]You were doing so well until you said UKIP weren't the answer. Tories, Labour and Lib Dems are most definitely not the answer. The last 60 years of failure is testament to that fact! tombo1984

9:13pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote.

Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever.

How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
Vote Labour get Labour
Vote Conservatives get Conservatives.
Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament.

If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems!
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better![/p][/quote]Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote. Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever. How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted. Vote UKIP get UKIP Vote Labour get Labour Vote Conservatives get Conservatives. Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament. If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems! tombo1984

9:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

Jarrs, are you seriously suggesting that being patriotically British, making our own decisions and having any kind of control over our borders will lead us into conflict - with who? European wars are a thing of the past since the advent of the atomic bomb. If you are misguided enough to think that all that stands between us & Europe wide conflict is the EU then you better think again! The European Union has become an empire. What happens to empires? They consume all the nations around them in their quest for growth - until their is a revolt or counter revolution. They never last. Their is a reason for this. People have never wanted to be ruled by other people.....people other then their own. That is why no empire has survived and that is why the European Union is doomed to fail! Let's make it less painful & quit now.
Jarrs, are you seriously suggesting that being patriotically British, making our own decisions and having any kind of control over our borders will lead us into conflict - with who? European wars are a thing of the past since the advent of the atomic bomb. If you are misguided enough to think that all that stands between us & Europe wide conflict is the EU then you better think again! The European Union has become an empire. What happens to empires? They consume all the nations around them in their quest for growth - until their is a revolt or counter revolution. They never last. Their is a reason for this. People have never wanted to be ruled by other people.....people other then their own. That is why no empire has survived and that is why the European Union is doomed to fail! Let's make it less painful & quit now. Kirk D

9:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Women are "****".

The floods are due to gay marriage.

"Bongo, Bongo land".

Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!!
Ah yes Godfrey Bloom who lost his party whip for his comments last year...
...and David Silvester who was sacked well over a month ago for his comments...

I guess those two old facts slipped your mind when trying to slate UKIP and my reaffirming them nullifies your ranty nonsense then...

Have a good evening.

Vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Women are "****". The floods are due to gay marriage. "Bongo, Bongo land". Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!![/p][/quote]Ah yes Godfrey Bloom who lost his party whip for his comments last year... ...and David Silvester who was sacked well over a month ago for his comments... I guess those two old facts slipped your mind when trying to slate UKIP and my reaffirming them nullifies your ranty nonsense then... Have a good evening. Vote UKIP. tombo1984

9:22pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Ambo Guy says...

HJarrs wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Ambo Guy wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long.

My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?
Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me.

To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on.

Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves.

I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.
Oh dear HJarrs. You can come on here with your silly jokes and bring out your particular favourite 'moanerati' phrase again but you've been found out and again haven't answered the question.

The fact is that you told us all that you were not a Green Party member and were just a member of the public who 'supported them' (despite your 20 - 30 posts) and now you've accidentally admitted that you are. You also said you lived in Brighton one week after saying that you didn't. What you don't seem to comprehend (or choose to ignore) is that now we all think you're a liar there really is no point in carrying on your lies, I just wish you could understand this.

You say you don't care that your posts are constantly voted down but have you ever asked yourself why? Are we all wrong and you're right? Try and come up with a sensible and well balanced reply without using any stupid phrases or spin - see if you can.
You go on and on Amboguy, you are obsessed by me just as is my very good friend Dealing (where were you in the Metropole Dealing with idiots? I was stood up again! You are such a tease!). I realise it is a desperate attempt to discredit rather than discuss or debate issues.

I think the moanerati is an accurate description of the people like your good self who week-in, week-out just post your moaning misery. To be fair UKIP is a good fit for many of the moanerati that post on here, looking at its policies it is the Moanerati Party! And no, I couldn't care less if people vote my comments up or down, I don't bother looking; my opinion is my opinion take it or leave it.

Find a post where I posted what you claim? Date and time and story. Put up or shut up time. Off you go. In the meantime, tell us about yourself....
Ok so basically you won't answer any questions and you're reverting back to your usual 'tactic' by going on the attack instead. I'm sorry but it's not a clever tactic and we all see through it as you've done it time and time before.

HJarrs you are a liar and have been found out.

You say you never bother looking at how people are voting for your posts - again another lie.

You have to live with your lies and there's nothing we can do to stop you. You know you're lying and we know you are. All the juvenile 'moanerati' comments and homophobic comments implying I fancy you won't do anything to change what you are.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ambo Guy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Ahh you are still here HJarrs, we were going to send out a search party for you after you went AWOL after accidentally 'outing' yourself as a Green Party member - despite you denying it for so long. My question to you is that now you've been caught out lying on here how do you think anyone can believe anything you have to say from now?[/p][/quote]Oh dear Amboguy, first you want to know my address, now my party affiliation, It will be inside leg measurements and free dates in the diary. I think you fancy me. To out oneself, one must first be in! I must have posted, ooh, lets see, 20, 30 times since 2010 that I was once a Labour Party member who left because Labour lost their way and supported powerful lobbies over ordinary people, went to war, etc,etc. They have not changed that much under Milkiband and now will not fight cuts to services for the most vulnerable (Wolverhampton Council is proposing 2000 job cuts, Warren Morgan will be doing the same in B&H if he gets his way). Now I am an ordinary member of the Green Party as, in my view, they are the only ones have the potential to even begin to address the greatest issues of the day, such as climate change, species loss, improved democracy and accountability, alternative economic systems to our current pyramid scheme type system, social issues, equality, transport, life balance, on and on and on. Of course many of you moanerati are very careful to keep your alliegances close to your chest as I would rubbish you. Amazing how coy you all are when it comes to yourselves. I notice no takers to defend UKIP MEPs having their snouts firmly in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils. Even on just one issue, climate change, UKIP fail the test with their head in the sand attitude.[/p][/quote]Oh dear HJarrs. You can come on here with your silly jokes and bring out your particular favourite 'moanerati' phrase again but you've been found out and again haven't answered the question. The fact is that you told us all that you were not a Green Party member and were just a member of the public who 'supported them' (despite your 20 - 30 posts) and now you've accidentally admitted that you are. You also said you lived in Brighton one week after saying that you didn't. What you don't seem to comprehend (or choose to ignore) is that now we all think you're a liar there really is no point in carrying on your lies, I just wish you could understand this. You say you don't care that your posts are constantly voted down but have you ever asked yourself why? Are we all wrong and you're right? Try and come up with a sensible and well balanced reply without using any stupid phrases or spin - see if you can.[/p][/quote]You go on and on Amboguy, you are obsessed by me just as is my very good friend Dealing (where were you in the Metropole Dealing with idiots? I was stood up again! You are such a tease!). I realise it is a desperate attempt to discredit rather than discuss or debate issues. I think the moanerati is an accurate description of the people like your good self who week-in, week-out just post your moaning misery. To be fair UKIP is a good fit for many of the moanerati that post on here, looking at its policies it is the Moanerati Party! And no, I couldn't care less if people vote my comments up or down, I don't bother looking; my opinion is my opinion take it or leave it. Find a post where I posted what you claim? Date and time and story. Put up or shut up time. Off you go. In the meantime, tell us about yourself....[/p][/quote]Ok so basically you won't answer any questions and you're reverting back to your usual 'tactic' by going on the attack instead. I'm sorry but it's not a clever tactic and we all see through it as you've done it time and time before. HJarrs you are a liar and have been found out. You say you never bother looking at how people are voting for your posts - again another lie. You have to live with your lies and there's nothing we can do to stop you. You know you're lying and we know you are. All the juvenile 'moanerati' comments and homophobic comments implying I fancy you won't do anything to change what you are. Ambo Guy

9:32pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

dickpagebrighton wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Transparent?

They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from.

The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin.

Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party.

UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for.......

.......with the Greens, we got something very different.
Maybe UKIP and the Greens share being part of an uncertain (or exciting ?) new era in politics; it's easy to rubbish politicians, but they represent us and have power, and lots of people want to see a shake-up away from just the old two parties..
UKIP offer some easy whipping boys and girls - Europe, foreigners, etc. But real choices for our communities need more grown-up policies than that. At least the Greens want to protect social care for the least independent (via the referendum on a council tax rise), safer streets with less air pollution (20 mph etc), and fairer pay for all (the Living Wage and the difficult settlement with CityClean workers).
As for transparency - they do detailed consultations, eg before a new parking zone, then (as in my area, Hanover) if the responses are against, they drop it. That's good enough for me, even if we are still getting used to their fresh/ different approach.
It's funny i keep seeing these facts about UKIP looking for easy targets.

But when you put the facts from the various parties together you get exactly what UKIP have been saying...

- Unskilled Labour Migrants willing to work for less come into the country
- British workers get sacked in favour of these migrants who are willing to work for less
- Other companies have to push down there wages to stay competitive
- Forcing wages down country wide
Meanwhile the increase in population (look at the figures if you don't believe me):
- Puts excessive strain on the NHS
- Puts excessive strain on the Education System
- Puts excessive strain on the housing capacity
- Puts excessive strain on International need for trade
- Puts excessive strain on Benefits System
- Puts excessive strain on the prison system (as much as people like to deny it a influx in population increases the prison population - look at stats for Romanian's committing ATM fraud in London)
- Increases excessive strain on transportation network which has to transport more and more people with minimal investment (Government focused on dumping all our money on HS2)
- Increases need for Energy resulting on higher energy bills, a greater dependence on foreign countries to provide our energy due to our lack of self produced energy and as a result more and more legal cases being brought against us by the EU for breaching energy use ceilings as has been brought against us today! (20/02/2014)
- Increases racial and religion intolerance from Far Right parties such at BNP and EDL
- Increases Cultural and religion destabalisation in areas

But hey what do i know stating the facts. Facts that have been said by all the major parties but won't do anything about it.

I am just a UKIP looney tune who has stated the facts as they are and support a party who say it as it is instead on bull*******g the general public!

Vote UKIP. Get UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]dickpagebrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Transparent? They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from. The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin. Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party. UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for....... .......with the Greens, we got something very different.[/p][/quote]Maybe UKIP and the Greens share being part of an uncertain (or exciting ?) new era in politics; it's easy to rubbish politicians, but they represent us and have power, and lots of people want to see a shake-up away from just the old two parties.. UKIP offer some easy whipping boys and girls - Europe, foreigners, etc. But real choices for our communities need more grown-up policies than that. At least the Greens want to protect social care for the least independent (via the referendum on a council tax rise), safer streets with less air pollution (20 mph etc), and fairer pay for all (the Living Wage and the difficult settlement with CityClean workers). As for transparency - they do detailed consultations, eg before a new parking zone, then (as in my area, Hanover) if the responses are against, they drop it. That's good enough for me, even if we are still getting used to their fresh/ different approach.[/p][/quote]It's funny i keep seeing these facts about UKIP looking for easy targets. But when you put the facts from the various parties together you get exactly what UKIP have been saying... - Unskilled Labour Migrants willing to work for less come into the country - British workers get sacked in favour of these migrants who are willing to work for less - Other companies have to push down there wages to stay competitive - Forcing wages down country wide Meanwhile the increase in population (look at the figures if you don't believe me): - Puts excessive strain on the NHS - Puts excessive strain on the Education System - Puts excessive strain on the housing capacity - Puts excessive strain on International need for trade - Puts excessive strain on Benefits System - Puts excessive strain on the prison system (as much as people like to deny it a influx in population increases the prison population - look at stats for Romanian's committing ATM fraud in London) - Increases excessive strain on transportation network which has to transport more and more people with minimal investment (Government focused on dumping all our money on HS2) - Increases need for Energy resulting on higher energy bills, a greater dependence on foreign countries to provide our energy due to our lack of self produced energy and as a result more and more legal cases being brought against us by the EU for breaching energy use ceilings as has been brought against us today! (20/02/2014) - Increases racial and religion intolerance from Far Right parties such at BNP and EDL - Increases Cultural and religion destabalisation in areas But hey what do i know stating the facts. Facts that have been said by all the major parties but won't do anything about it. I am just a UKIP looney tune who has stated the facts as they are and support a party who say it as it is instead on bull*******g the general public! Vote UKIP. Get UKIP. tombo1984

9:36pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
I disagree with UKIP inasmuch as they have a very narrow manifesto and if they were ever in power would struggle with the nitty-gritty of local politics (much as the loony Green Party have) BUT whether a UKIP councillor or MP is elected or not is up to the electorate, not a rentamob of left wing thugs.
Fair point.
But it's worth noting that none of the considered "Major 3 Parties" have brought out there General Election Manifesto yet and none of them have clearly made any definitions on what they are aiming for under the different categories of politics.

I would suggest listening to what the Party members like Farage, Atkinson, Nuttall and co say. Because they currently say a hell of allot more than Cameron, Milliband and Clegg are willing to say!
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: I disagree with UKIP inasmuch as they have a very narrow manifesto and if they were ever in power would struggle with the nitty-gritty of local politics (much as the loony Green Party have) BUT whether a UKIP councillor or MP is elected or not is up to the electorate, not a rentamob of left wing thugs.[/p][/quote]Fair point. But it's worth noting that none of the considered "Major 3 Parties" have brought out there General Election Manifesto yet and none of them have clearly made any definitions on what they are aiming for under the different categories of politics. I would suggest listening to what the Party members like Farage, Atkinson, Nuttall and co say. Because they currently say a hell of allot more than Cameron, Milliband and Clegg are willing to say! tombo1984

9:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

Tombo19 - congratulations on a brilliant, well written & meaningful post. I fully understand & agree with all that you say. You put it so simply and so succinctly. I only hope that many people read what you have taken the time to write & try to ununderstand what we at UKIP are all about. It's time some of those on the Labour left took a long hard look at themselves..........
.they are not so innont as they will have us believe!84
Tombo19 - congratulations on a brilliant, well written & meaningful post. I fully understand & agree with all that you say. You put it so simply and so succinctly. I only hope that many people read what you have taken the time to write & try to ununderstand what we at UKIP are all about. It's time some of those on the Labour left took a long hard look at themselves.......... .they are not so innont as they will have us believe!84 Kirk D

9:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

Didn't mean reaffirming btw. Tablet decided to auto-correct. Meant refuting.
Didn't mean reaffirming btw. Tablet decided to auto-correct. Meant refuting. tombo1984

10:08pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote.

Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever.

How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
Vote Labour get Labour
Vote Conservatives get Conservatives.
Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament.

If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems!
You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove.

You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city.

The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics.

If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics.

This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.
[quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better![/p][/quote]Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote. Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever. How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted. Vote UKIP get UKIP Vote Labour get Labour Vote Conservatives get Conservatives. Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament. If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems![/p][/quote]You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove. You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city. The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics. If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics. This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council. Richada

10:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

Richada wrote:
tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote.

Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever.

How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
Vote Labour get Labour
Vote Conservatives get Conservatives.
Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament.

If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems!
You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove.

You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city.

The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics.

If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics.

This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.
UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints.

You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash!

Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed.

That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better![/p][/quote]Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote. Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever. How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted. Vote UKIP get UKIP Vote Labour get Labour Vote Conservatives get Conservatives. Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament. If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems![/p][/quote]You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove. You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city. The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics. If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics. This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.[/p][/quote]UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints. You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash! Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed. That is a fact. Feel free to look it up. tombo1984

10:49pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote.

Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever.

How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
Vote Labour get Labour
Vote Conservatives get Conservatives.
Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament.

If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems!
You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove.

You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city.

The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics.

If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics.

This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.
UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints.

You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash!

Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed.

That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.
After the chaos the Greens have caused, it's right here - Brighton & Hove that I'm concerned about.

As it happens, in Patcham a plentiful supply of sand bags was handed out by the council, who, in this specific case, did everything that could reasonably have been expected of them.

I admit that no, I have not taken a great interest in UKIP run councils elsewhere - I'm not a politician, merely a council tax and business rate payer who has an interest in seeing this city run to the benefit of all who live here, no matter what their gender, race or religion may be.

One of the greatest problems we face here now is the sheer divisiveness created by the Greens - unfortunately I cannot see that being "re-balanced" by the election of a UKIP run council.

.
[quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better![/p][/quote]Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote. Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever. How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted. Vote UKIP get UKIP Vote Labour get Labour Vote Conservatives get Conservatives. Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament. If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems![/p][/quote]You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove. You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city. The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics. If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics. This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.[/p][/quote]UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints. You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash! Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed. That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.[/p][/quote]After the chaos the Greens have caused, it's right here - Brighton & Hove that I'm concerned about. As it happens, in Patcham a plentiful supply of sand bags was handed out by the council, who, in this specific case, did everything that could reasonably have been expected of them. I admit that no, I have not taken a great interest in UKIP run councils elsewhere - I'm not a politician, merely a council tax and business rate payer who has an interest in seeing this city run to the benefit of all who live here, no matter what their gender, race or religion may be. One of the greatest problems we face here now is the sheer divisiveness created by the Greens - unfortunately I cannot see that being "re-balanced" by the election of a UKIP run council. . Richada

10:56pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Richada says...

tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote.

Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever.

How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
Vote Labour get Labour
Vote Conservatives get Conservatives.
Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament.

If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems!
You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove.

You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city.

The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics.

If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics.

This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.
UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints.

You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash!

Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed.

That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.
I'd be interested to read how satisfied local residents are under UKIP with their service provisions locally. Out of interest, can you tell me which councils are run by UKIP? It's getting late and Google is struggling to help me on this one!
[quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better![/p][/quote]Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote. Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever. How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted. Vote UKIP get UKIP Vote Labour get Labour Vote Conservatives get Conservatives. Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament. If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems![/p][/quote]You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove. You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city. The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics. If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics. This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.[/p][/quote]UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints. You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash! Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed. That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.[/p][/quote]I'd be interested to read how satisfied local residents are under UKIP with their service provisions locally. Out of interest, can you tell me which councils are run by UKIP? It's getting late and Google is struggling to help me on this one! Richada

11:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

ourcoalition says...

tombo1984 wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Women are "****".

The floods are due to gay marriage.

"Bongo, Bongo land".

Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!!
Ah yes Godfrey Bloom who lost his party whip for his comments last year...
...and David Silvester who was sacked well over a month ago for his comments...

I guess those two old facts slipped your mind when trying to slate UKIP and my reaffirming them nullifies your ranty nonsense then...

Have a good evening.

Vote UKIP.
I suggest you do a quick internet search for the hundreds of other loopy comments - you could have a good evening doing that, as well.
[quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Women are "****". The floods are due to gay marriage. "Bongo, Bongo land". Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!![/p][/quote]Ah yes Godfrey Bloom who lost his party whip for his comments last year... ...and David Silvester who was sacked well over a month ago for his comments... I guess those two old facts slipped your mind when trying to slate UKIP and my reaffirming them nullifies your ranty nonsense then... Have a good evening. Vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]I suggest you do a quick internet search for the hundreds of other loopy comments - you could have a good evening doing that, as well. ourcoalition

11:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

angrymonkey says...

brighton voted in the greens what was the thing they wanted to do again ? oh yes ban shops selling pink bikes for girls.Good one.
brighton voted in the greens what was the thing they wanted to do again ? oh yes ban shops selling pink bikes for girls.Good one. angrymonkey

11:34pm Thu 20 Feb 14

bry300 says...

UKIP all the way extreme left UAF are a disgrace no longer fooled by their poison vote UKIP
UKIP all the way extreme left UAF are a disgrace no longer fooled by their poison vote UKIP bry300

11:47pm Thu 20 Feb 14

tombo1984 says...

Richada wrote:
tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
tombo1984 wrote:
Richada wrote:
the red head wrote:
We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.
UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens.

The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration.

It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large.

The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better!
Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote.

Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever.

How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted.

Vote UKIP get UKIP
Vote Labour get Labour
Vote Conservatives get Conservatives.
Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament.

If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems!
You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove.

You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city.

The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics.

If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics.

This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.
UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints.

You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash!

Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed.

That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.
I'd be interested to read how satisfied local residents are under UKIP with their service provisions locally. Out of interest, can you tell me which councils are run by UKIP? It's getting late and Google is struggling to help me on this one!
Local Authorities:
County Councils:
Buckinghamshire County Council 6
Cambridgeshire County Council 12
Devon County Council 4
Dorset County Council 1
East Sussex County Council 7
Essex County Council 9]
Gloucestershire County Council 3
Hampshire County Council 10
Kent County Council 17
Leicestershire County Council 2
Lincolnshire County Council 16
Norfolk County Council 14
Northamptonshire County Council 3
North Yorkshire County Council 2
Somerset County Council 3
Staffordshire County Council 2
Suffolk County Council 9
Surrey County Council 3
West Sussex County Council 10
Worcestershire County Council 2

Unitary Authorities in England
Council Councillor(s
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Cornwall Council 6
Isle of Wight Council 2
Kettering Borough Council 1
Milton Keynes Borough Council 1
North East Lincolnshire Borough Council 1
Rutland County Council 3
South Gloucestershire Council 1
South Tyneside Metropolitan Borough Council 1
Torbay Borough Council 1
Wiltshire Council 1
Windsor and Maidenhead Borough Council 2

District Councils in England
Council Councillor(s
)
Aylesbury Vale District Council 2
Huntingdonshire District Council 3
North Norfolk District Council 1
Rushmoor District Council 3
South Oxfordshire District Council 1
Thurrock Borough Council 1
Tunbridge Wells Borough Council 2
Wycombe District Council 1

Wales
Council Councillor(s
)
Vale of Glamorgan County Borough Council 1
Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council 1

Northern Ireland
Council Councillor(s
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Newry and Mourne District Council 1
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: We don't need another divisive council. We need unity and experience. Which ever colour that turns out to be, let's not play around with such an important city as this anymore. The residents deserve better.[/p][/quote]UKIP are correct in that the Greens have made an utter pig's ear of running Brighton and Hove, but, sadly that does not make THEM any more suitable to run the council than the greens. The last thing we need now is a knee-jerk "protest vote" reaction bringing in another one-trick pony extremist administration. It is bad enough the Greens creating hatred amongst various road using factions - in a cosmopolitan city such as ours, stirring up racial hatred will be altogether more frightening for the populace at large. The residents and council tax payers DO deserve better![/p][/quote]Sick of seeing UKIP refered to as a protest vote. Plays right into the hands of the 2 main parties who will be quite happy to vote it out between themselves forever. How naive do you have to be to fall into this trap they have planted. Vote UKIP get UKIP Vote Labour get Labour Vote Conservatives get Conservatives. Vote Lib Dems and get whatever percentage vote that is needed to make either the Conservatives or Labour the victors with Lib Dems as there partners in a hung parliament. If you want change vote for something different. If you want another half decade of same old failures. By all means vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dems![/p][/quote]You write a lot here, but I and other council tax payers are not reading what we actually need to know - i.e. how you propose to reliably empty our bins, surface our roads, run our libraries, look after our old and vulnerable - that is provide the services that all of us use and pay for in Brighton and Hove. You accuse me of being "naive", but sadly all I read in your statements is more ideology (the main beef with the Greens) and absolutely nothing about how your party proposes to run our city. The big mistake that both yourself and the Greens make is not being able to separate local and national / European politics. If the Greens have conclusively proven one thing, it is that extreme ideology does not translate at all well when applied to local politics. This city has suffered badly from the failed Green experiment, the last thing it needs now is another, blinkered, ideologically driven council.[/p][/quote]UKIP have 220 Local Council seats... Have you seen any complaints. You know that if there were any complaints the very anti-UKIP media would be on it like a flash! Let's not forget a Conservative Council was trying to charge locals who were fearing there houses would get flooded for sand bags the other day in Christchurch, Dorset and it took the local UKIP MEP coming in to buy the locals sandbags out of his own pocket to get people what they needed. That is a fact. Feel free to look it up.[/p][/quote]I'd be interested to read how satisfied local residents are under UKIP with their service provisions locally. Out of interest, can you tell me which councils are run by UKIP? It's getting late and Google is struggling to help me on this one![/p][/quote]Local Authorities: County Councils: Buckinghamshire County Council 6 Cambridgeshire County Council 12 Devon County Council 4 Dorset County Council 1 East Sussex County Council 7 Essex County Council 9] Gloucestershire County Council 3 Hampshire County Council 10 Kent County Council 17 Leicestershire County Council 2 Lincolnshire County Council 16 Norfolk County Council 14 Northamptonshire County Council 3 North Yorkshire County Council 2 Somerset County Council 3 Staffordshire County Council 2 Suffolk County Council 9 Surrey County Council 3 West Sussex County Council 10 Worcestershire County Council 2 Unitary Authorities in England Council Councillor(s ) Cornwall Council 6 Isle of Wight Council 2 Kettering Borough Council 1 Milton Keynes Borough Council 1 North East Lincolnshire Borough Council 1 Rutland County Council 3 South Gloucestershire Council 1 South Tyneside Metropolitan Borough Council 1 Torbay Borough Council 1 Wiltshire Council 1 Windsor and Maidenhead Borough Council 2 District Councils in England Council Councillor(s ) Aylesbury Vale District Council 2 Huntingdonshire District Council 3 North Norfolk District Council 1 Rushmoor District Council 3 South Oxfordshire District Council 1 Thurrock Borough Council 1 Tunbridge Wells Borough Council 2 Wycombe District Council 1 Wales Council Councillor(s ) Vale of Glamorgan County Borough Council 1 Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Council 1 Northern Ireland Council Councillor(s ) Newry and Mourne District Council 1 tombo1984

4:52am Fri 21 Feb 14

dickpagebrighton says...

tombo1984 wrote:
dickpagebrighton wrote:
Richada wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Transparent?

They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from.

The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin.

Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party.

UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for.......

.......with the Greens, we got something very different.
Maybe UKIP and the Greens share being part of an uncertain (or exciting ?) new era in politics; it's easy to rubbish politicians, but they represent us and have power, and lots of people want to see a shake-up away from just the old two parties..
UKIP offer some easy whipping boys and girls - Europe, foreigners, etc. But real choices for our communities need more grown-up policies than that. At least the Greens want to protect social care for the least independent (via the referendum on a council tax rise), safer streets with less air pollution (20 mph etc), and fairer pay for all (the Living Wage and the difficult settlement with CityClean workers).
As for transparency - they do detailed consultations, eg before a new parking zone, then (as in my area, Hanover) if the responses are against, they drop it. That's good enough for me, even if we are still getting used to their fresh/ different approach.
It's funny i keep seeing these facts about UKIP looking for easy targets.

But when you put the facts from the various parties together you get exactly what UKIP have been saying...

- Unskilled Labour Migrants willing to work for less come into the country
- British workers get sacked in favour of these migrants who are willing to work for less
- Other companies have to push down there wages to stay competitive
- Forcing wages down country wide
Meanwhile the increase in population (look at the figures if you don't believe me):
- Puts excessive strain on the NHS
- Puts excessive strain on the Education System
- Puts excessive strain on the housing capacity
- Puts excessive strain on International need for trade
- Puts excessive strain on Benefits System
- Puts excessive strain on the prison system (as much as people like to deny it a influx in population increases the prison population - look at stats for Romanian's committing ATM fraud in London)
- Increases excessive strain on transportation network which has to transport more and more people with minimal investment (Government focused on dumping all our money on HS2)
- Increases need for Energy resulting on higher energy bills, a greater dependence on foreign countries to provide our energy due to our lack of self produced energy and as a result more and more legal cases being brought against us by the EU for breaching energy use ceilings as has been brought against us today! (20/02/2014)
- Increases racial and religion intolerance from Far Right parties such at BNP and EDL
- Increases Cultural and religion destabalisation in areas

But hey what do i know stating the facts. Facts that have been said by all the major parties but won't do anything about it.

I am just a UKIP looney tune who has stated the facts as they are and support a party who say it as it is instead on bull*******g the general public!

Vote UKIP. Get UKIP.
But these pro-UKIP "facts" are more like myths ... most independent research clearly states that migrants contribute more to the economy than they take out in services.
The problem is the rich (big landlords, bankers, big shareholders) are still getting richer and paying little tax (or council tax) in proportion to their wealth, while millions are underemployed or v low paid, and punished by an austerity government - until oh the day the playing fields of Eton were flooded last week, the PM said "we are a rich country, we have managed public finances well, money is no object " ...
Let's stop the politics of divide and hate that UKIP myths represent; they are worse than the tories and not welcome in Brighton & Hove & Portslade.
[quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dickpagebrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Transparent? They might be to you HJ on the "inside", but all we see as council tax paying residents is "behind closed doors meetings" (Gollywoggate for e.g.) and secrecy over just where the councillors live and came from. The Greens constantly berate Cllr Morgan here - but he is the ONLY one to have the front to use his own name and openly represent his own party on these pages and I for one admire him for that. You all hide behind a haze of green spin. Sadly many who elected the Greens did so viewing you as a "soft option" protest vote, in very many cases (of my acquaintance) having not read your manifesto and knowing little about your party. UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for. If and that's a big IF they got elected to run B&HC we would have got what we voted for....... .......with the Greens, we got something very different.[/p][/quote]Maybe UKIP and the Greens share being part of an uncertain (or exciting ?) new era in politics; it's easy to rubbish politicians, but they represent us and have power, and lots of people want to see a shake-up away from just the old two parties.. UKIP offer some easy whipping boys and girls - Europe, foreigners, etc. But real choices for our communities need more grown-up policies than that. At least the Greens want to protect social care for the least independent (via the referendum on a council tax rise), safer streets with less air pollution (20 mph etc), and fairer pay for all (the Living Wage and the difficult settlement with CityClean workers). As for transparency - they do detailed consultations, eg before a new parking zone, then (as in my area, Hanover) if the responses are against, they drop it. That's good enough for me, even if we are still getting used to their fresh/ different approach.[/p][/quote]It's funny i keep seeing these facts about UKIP looking for easy targets. But when you put the facts from the various parties together you get exactly what UKIP have been saying... - Unskilled Labour Migrants willing to work for less come into the country - British workers get sacked in favour of these migrants who are willing to work for less - Other companies have to push down there wages to stay competitive - Forcing wages down country wide Meanwhile the increase in population (look at the figures if you don't believe me): - Puts excessive strain on the NHS - Puts excessive strain on the Education System - Puts excessive strain on the housing capacity - Puts excessive strain on International need for trade - Puts excessive strain on Benefits System - Puts excessive strain on the prison system (as much as people like to deny it a influx in population increases the prison population - look at stats for Romanian's committing ATM fraud in London) - Increases excessive strain on transportation network which has to transport more and more people with minimal investment (Government focused on dumping all our money on HS2) - Increases need for Energy resulting on higher energy bills, a greater dependence on foreign countries to provide our energy due to our lack of self produced energy and as a result more and more legal cases being brought against us by the EU for breaching energy use ceilings as has been brought against us today! (20/02/2014) - Increases racial and religion intolerance from Far Right parties such at BNP and EDL - Increases Cultural and religion destabalisation in areas But hey what do i know stating the facts. Facts that have been said by all the major parties but won't do anything about it. I am just a UKIP looney tune who has stated the facts as they are and support a party who say it as it is instead on bull*******g the general public! Vote UKIP. Get UKIP.[/p][/quote]But these pro-UKIP "facts" are more like myths ... most independent research clearly states that migrants contribute more to the economy than they take out in services. The problem is the rich (big landlords, bankers, big shareholders) are still getting richer and paying little tax (or council tax) in proportion to their wealth, while millions are underemployed or v low paid, and punished by an austerity government - until oh the day the playing fields of Eton were flooded last week, the PM said "we are a rich country, we have managed public finances well, money is no object [in paying for flood damage]" ... Let's stop the politics of divide and hate that UKIP myths represent; they are worse than the tories and not welcome in Brighton & Hove & Portslade. dickpagebrighton

10:14am Fri 21 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJ says we have made such a mess in Brighton that people would need to be barking mad to vote for us again.

HJ also said that great politics needs great lies and spin and thinks Amboguy's comments are really some sort of flattery and feels reassured.

I think HJ is a kn0b on a number of levels:-

- Firstly HJ comes from a posh family and doesn't need to do any work.
- Secondly HJ doesn't even listen to fellow Greens, which surely has to be wrong
- Thirdly, its the lies and the spin

And finally, its the way HJ belittles everyone who doesn't agree with the ideology from the Marxist mob
HJ says we have made such a mess in Brighton that people would need to be barking mad to vote for us again. HJ also said that great politics needs great lies and spin and thinks Amboguy's comments are really some sort of flattery and feels reassured. I think HJ is a kn0b on a number of levels:- - Firstly HJ comes from a posh family and doesn't need to do any work. - Secondly HJ doesn't even listen to fellow Greens, which surely has to be wrong - Thirdly, its the lies and the spin And finally, its the way HJ belittles everyone who doesn't agree with the ideology from the Marxist mob I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

10:43am Fri 21 Feb 14

JHunty says...

ourcoalition wrote:
tombo1984 wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Women are "****".

The floods are due to gay marriage.

"Bongo, Bongo land".

Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!!
Ah yes Godfrey Bloom who lost his party whip for his comments last year...
...and David Silvester who was sacked well over a month ago for his comments...

I guess those two old facts slipped your mind when trying to slate UKIP and my reaffirming them nullifies your ranty nonsense then...

Have a good evening.

Vote UKIP.
I suggest you do a quick internet search for the hundreds of other loopy comments - you could have a good evening doing that, as well.
Yeah like the Royal family are actually space lizards in disguise, oh no hang on that was the Green Party. How about the council should refuse to set a budget forcing the government to intervene thereby sparking a revolution, oh no that's the greens again. UFO research facility anyone?
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tombo1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Women are "****". The floods are due to gay marriage. "Bongo, Bongo land". Yup - vote UKIP - even loonier than the Monster Raving Loony Party!![/p][/quote]Ah yes Godfrey Bloom who lost his party whip for his comments last year... ...and David Silvester who was sacked well over a month ago for his comments... I guess those two old facts slipped your mind when trying to slate UKIP and my reaffirming them nullifies your ranty nonsense then... Have a good evening. Vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]I suggest you do a quick internet search for the hundreds of other loopy comments - you could have a good evening doing that, as well.[/p][/quote]Yeah like the Royal family are actually space lizards in disguise, oh no hang on that was the Green Party. How about the council should refuse to set a budget forcing the government to intervene thereby sparking a revolution, oh no that's the greens again. UFO research facility anyone? JHunty

10:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

HJarrs . says...

Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it.

I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.
Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it. I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good. HJarrs .

11:09am Fri 21 Feb 14

BornInBrighton1968 says...

HJarrs . wrote:
Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it.

I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.
You Greens need to find a way to keep Councillor Phelim 'Dirty Boy' McCafferty away from Council microwave ovens...
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it. I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.[/p][/quote]You Greens need to find a way to keep Councillor Phelim 'Dirty Boy' McCafferty away from Council microwave ovens... BornInBrighton1968

11:27am Fri 21 Feb 14

JHunty says...

HJarrs . wrote:
Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it.

I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.
He clearly doesn't have the full support of the party as they are trying to change the rules in order to get rid of him.

As I have said before the most vociferous critics of the the greens in power have been other greens. When they level criticisms at their leader it is democracy and to be applauded. When people from outside the greens level the same criticisms they are dismissed by you as moanerati.

Its clearly double standards on your part. I have also said repeatedly that Jason was the best of the bunch its a shame that despite your spin a great many of the greens, the Duncanistis, disagree and would prefer to see Brighton turned into a battle ground for them to fight central government on.

As for my comment above, if you look at the Greens history they were a bunch of loonies not so long ago under David Icke, who is to say that UKIP wont follow the same path.

As for dismissing UKIP because of the privileged life style enjoyed by their leader, you are again ignoring Caroline Lucas' extraordinarily privileged background, her multi millionaire life stye, private education for her kids, she is the epitome of the hobbyist politician. As for Kitkat well, its the same again really, very wealthy back ground.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it. I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.[/p][/quote]He clearly doesn't have the full support of the party as they are trying to change the rules in order to get rid of him. As I have said before the most vociferous critics of the the greens in power have been other greens. When they level criticisms at their leader it is democracy and to be applauded. When people from outside the greens level the same criticisms they are dismissed by you as moanerati. Its clearly double standards on your part. I have also said repeatedly that Jason was the best of the bunch its a shame that despite your spin a great many of the greens, the Duncanistis, disagree and would prefer to see Brighton turned into a battle ground for them to fight central government on. As for my comment above, if you look at the Greens history they were a bunch of loonies not so long ago under David Icke, who is to say that UKIP wont follow the same path. As for dismissing UKIP because of the privileged life style enjoyed by their leader, you are again ignoring Caroline Lucas' extraordinarily privileged background, her multi millionaire life stye, private education for her kids, she is the epitome of the hobbyist politician. As for Kitkat well, its the same again really, very wealthy back ground. JHunty

11:32am Fri 21 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs . wrote:
Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it.

I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.
Oh come on HJ, surely you can come up with something better than that on an article entitled: "Brighton and Hove Green party infighting could leave way clear for UKIP councillors - or even MP, party claims".

It sounds to me as though you've simply given up.

I know one thing though, I am going to miss my daily fix of your spin far more than I will Mr Kitcat & co.

You might like to read David Lepper's letter elsewhere - he's only saying what we have been for months mind you.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it. I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.[/p][/quote]Oh come on HJ, surely you can come up with something better than that on an article entitled: "Brighton and Hove Green party infighting could leave way clear for UKIP councillors - or even MP, party claims". It sounds to me as though you've simply given up. I know one thing though, I am going to miss my daily fix of your spin far more than I will Mr Kitcat & co. You might like to read David Lepper's letter elsewhere - he's only saying what we have been for months mind you. Richada

12:09pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Dan Gleballs says...

Kirk D wrote:
Tombo19 - congratulations on a brilliant, well written & meaningful post. I fully understand & agree with all that you say. You put it so simply and so succinctly. I only hope that many people read what you have taken the time to write & try to ununderstand what we at UKIP are all about. It's time some of those on the Labour left took a long hard look at themselves..........

.they are not so innont as they will have us believe!84
yep, second that
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Tombo19 - congratulations on a brilliant, well written & meaningful post. I fully understand & agree with all that you say. You put it so simply and so succinctly. I only hope that many people read what you have taken the time to write & try to ununderstand what we at UKIP are all about. It's time some of those on the Labour left took a long hard look at themselves.......... .they are not so innont as they will have us believe!84[/p][/quote]yep, second that Dan Gleballs

12:49pm Fri 21 Feb 14

gheese77 says...

Sir Prised wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
wexler53 wrote:
The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology.

I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.
Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy?

Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.
Meawhile the world population has increased from 6 billion in 1990s to 7 billion at the present moment, to which you can add the totally reasonable demand for an improved standard of living across the entire planet. The Green answer is extra taxes. We need to control the population and quickly, before demand prices many people out of many essentials.
I don't think world population control is a responsibility of a local authority
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wexler53[/bold] wrote: The greens are indeed a disgrace, and a far greater threat to democracy than UKIP. They ignore public opinion completely and continue to sacrifice Brighton in the pursuit of their intolerant ideology. I don't think UKIP are the answer, the getting the greens out has to be a great start to getting proper, quality local services back on track again.[/p][/quote]Yep, Greens are a threat to democracy because er...they are the most transparent administration we have had. There is even a move to give one member one vote for the B&H leader! The Greens vote on pretty much everything. I thought that was democratic. If the Greens are a threat to democracy, then what about the rest of you? UKIP for example, is the worst; a partly funded by a few mega rich members of the establishment and a party leader only interested in his owns views and who makes up and ditches policies at a whim! Is that your idea of democracy? Let's look at competency, name me a council that has had fewer cuts than B&H whilst having similar levels of government cuts? I notice nobody ever takes me up on this challenge. At the same time school results are up, local economy up, investment in the city up, unemployment down, investment in transport infrastructure for bus and cycling up, introduction of the living wage etc, etc, etc. What have UKIP politicians achieved? Snouts in the trough in Europe and acting like clowns where they sit on councils.[/p][/quote]Meawhile the world population has increased from 6 billion in 1990s to 7 billion at the present moment, to which you can add the totally reasonable demand for an improved standard of living across the entire planet. The Green answer is extra taxes. We need to control the population and quickly, before demand prices many people out of many essentials.[/p][/quote]I don't think world population control is a responsibility of a local authority gheese77

1:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

HJarrs . says...

I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots. HJarrs .

2:00pm Fri 21 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

UKIP. That would be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. The last thing Brighton needs after the Green Party. Plus UKIP councillors can't seem to keep their feet out of their mouths. The nonsense some of them come out with makes HJarrs seem reasonable.
UKIP. That would be like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. The last thing Brighton needs after the Green Party. Plus UKIP councillors can't seem to keep their feet out of their mouths. The nonsense some of them come out with makes HJarrs seem reasonable. thevoiceoftruth

2:14pm Fri 21 Feb 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

angrymonkey wrote:
in the past it payed to be hard working and a great place to live here in the UK its all going down the pan at the moment loads lazy people getting money for doing sod all loads coming in from over sea for a easy life cut backs of all are services form NHS, police, Fire and ambulance and we giving billions to over seas when no money to help people flooded here in the UK. I'm all for UkIP as about time we stand up for the UK and see how they do as its only getting worse with the lot we have now.
You could stand up for the UK by at least making the effort to learn the language. Many of those people coming over here for 'an easy life' probably know it better than you do, despite it not being their first language.
[quote][p][bold]angrymonkey[/bold] wrote: in the past it payed to be hard working and a great place to live here in the UK its all going down the pan at the moment loads lazy people getting money for doing sod all loads coming in from over sea for a easy life cut backs of all are services form NHS, police, Fire and ambulance and we giving billions to over seas when no money to help people flooded here in the UK. I'm all for UkIP as about time we stand up for the UK and see how they do as its only getting worse with the lot we have now.[/p][/quote]You could stand up for the UK by at least making the effort to learn the language. Many of those people coming over here for 'an easy life' probably know it better than you do, despite it not being their first language. thevoiceoftruth

3:04pm Fri 21 Feb 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs . wrote:
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.
HJ That's great spin...brilliant

We don't consult anyone when drawing up our plans; when they are unveiled and the objections come in, we feign a consultation.

We completely ignore the intelligent majority and push on regardless.

Then you demonstrate absolute genius by insulting people on here who are expressing their honest and open opinions, before landing the killer punch by making a completely unsubstantiated statement about all the good things the Greens have done - the elephant in the room is that everyone knows there are no good things - and then finish with an insult.

Brilliant - I can't understand why the public are so keen to oust the Greens!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.[/p][/quote]HJ That's great spin...brilliant We don't consult anyone when drawing up our plans; when they are unveiled and the objections come in, we feign a consultation. We completely ignore the intelligent majority and push on regardless. Then you demonstrate absolute genius by insulting people on here who are expressing their honest and open opinions, before landing the killer punch by making a completely unsubstantiated statement about all the good things the Greens have done - the elephant in the room is that everyone knows there are no good things - and then finish with an insult. Brilliant - I can't understand why the public are so keen to oust the Greens! I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

3:56pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Richada says...

HJarrs . wrote:
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.
Hello Green Girl - nice to see you back!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.[/p][/quote]Hello Green Girl - nice to see you back! Richada

5:27pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

Jarrs.....unfortunat
ely for you, since the great depression of 2008, people have more pressing priorities. The green elephant in your room is an ever decreasing amount of people believe in man made climate change. But even if you could somehow persuade a few of the electorate, you still cannot solve the problem of higher energy costs. In this day & age people live innate minute. They don't have good state pensions to look forward to............they certainly don't have the luxury of being able to live totaly green.........even ifvthey were convinced - which sadly they are not & not likely to be anytime soon.
Jarrs.....unfortunat ely for you, since the great depression of 2008, people have more pressing priorities. The green elephant in your room is an ever decreasing amount of people believe in man made climate change. But even if you could somehow persuade a few of the electorate, you still cannot solve the problem of higher energy costs. In this day & age people live innate minute. They don't have good state pensions to look forward to............they certainly don't have the luxury of being able to live totaly green.........even ifvthey were convinced - which sadly they are not & not likely to be anytime soon. Kirk D

2:01pm Sat 22 Feb 14

darcyp says...

I don't say much on here but do read the comments everyday.

your comment from yesterday H.Jarr

10:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

HJarrs . says...

Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it.

I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.

today
HJarrs . wrote:
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.

In all my life I have never seen anyone from the council or a party member be so abusive to ppl,one comment and I still have it was from one of you greens to someone about the council tax (this is Brighton and Hove after all pay up or leave if you don't like it) Disgusting comment.

now why have we got it so good? i'm Disabled your party has shut me out of the town,as a blue badgeholder I should be able to park outside a shop and we can't do that now because of the cycle lanes, and before you say anything I cannot ride a bike or get on a bus and I can't walk very far.
The Greens I never voted for them and I wish ppl would stop saying Brighton and Hove voted them in (only a portion of the town did not everyone,instead of you being abusive in what you write how about writing with abit of respect to the ppl your quoting or answering on you might just get the same respect back.

The Greens have done nothing but upset everyone here in Brighton time for them to leave I know Brighton is an experiment and all eyes on on us to see how it pans out,its over leave please.

Oh and is moanerati even a valid word because I've search and found nothing.:)
I don't say much on here but do read the comments everyday. your comment from yesterday H.Jarr 10:45am Fri 21 Feb 14 HJarrs . says... Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it. I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good. today HJarrs . wrote: I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots. In all my life I have never seen anyone from the council or a party member be so abusive to ppl,one comment and I still have it was from one of you greens to someone about the council tax (this is Brighton and Hove after all pay up or leave if you don't like it) Disgusting comment. now why have we got it so good? i'm Disabled your party has shut me out of the town,as a blue badgeholder I should be able to park outside a shop and we can't do that now because of the cycle lanes, and before you say anything I cannot ride a bike or get on a bus and I can't walk very far. The Greens I never voted for them and I wish ppl would stop saying Brighton and Hove voted them in (only a portion of the town did not everyone,instead of you being abusive in what you write how about writing with abit of respect to the ppl your quoting or answering on you might just get the same respect back. The Greens have done nothing but upset everyone here in Brighton time for them to leave I know Brighton is an experiment and all eyes on on us to see how it pans out,its over leave please. Oh and is moanerati even a valid word because I've search and found nothing.:) darcyp

5:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Richada says...

darcyp wrote:
I don't say much on here but do read the comments everyday.

your comment from yesterday H.Jarr

10:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

HJarrs . says...

Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it.

I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good.

today
HJarrs . wrote:
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.

In all my life I have never seen anyone from the council or a party member be so abusive to ppl,one comment and I still have it was from one of you greens to someone about the council tax (this is Brighton and Hove after all pay up or leave if you don't like it) Disgusting comment.

now why have we got it so good? i'm Disabled your party has shut me out of the town,as a blue badgeholder I should be able to park outside a shop and we can't do that now because of the cycle lanes, and before you say anything I cannot ride a bike or get on a bus and I can't walk very far.
The Greens I never voted for them and I wish ppl would stop saying Brighton and Hove voted them in (only a portion of the town did not everyone,instead of you being abusive in what you write how about writing with abit of respect to the ppl your quoting or answering on you might just get the same respect back.

The Greens have done nothing but upset everyone here in Brighton time for them to leave I know Brighton is an experiment and all eyes on on us to see how it pans out,its over leave please.

Oh and is moanerati even a valid word because I've search and found nothing.:)
The word "moanerati" is HJarrs gift to the people of Brighton & Hove. It sums up the contempt in which we, residents and council tax payers, are held by the Green Party, who, albeit via a minority vote, run the Council.
[quote][p][bold]darcyp[/bold] wrote: I don't say much on here but do read the comments everyday. your comment from yesterday H.Jarr 10:45am Fri 21 Feb 14 HJarrs . says... Well it seems that the Argus moanerati really do know everything doesn't it. I think that Jason has done a great job in B&H and continues to have the full support of the party. The problem is that you all just don't know when you've got it good. today HJarrs . wrote: I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots. In all my life I have never seen anyone from the council or a party member be so abusive to ppl,one comment and I still have it was from one of you greens to someone about the council tax (this is Brighton and Hove after all pay up or leave if you don't like it) Disgusting comment. now why have we got it so good? i'm Disabled your party has shut me out of the town,as a blue badgeholder I should be able to park outside a shop and we can't do that now because of the cycle lanes, and before you say anything I cannot ride a bike or get on a bus and I can't walk very far. The Greens I never voted for them and I wish ppl would stop saying Brighton and Hove voted them in (only a portion of the town did not everyone,instead of you being abusive in what you write how about writing with abit of respect to the ppl your quoting or answering on you might just get the same respect back. The Greens have done nothing but upset everyone here in Brighton time for them to leave I know Brighton is an experiment and all eyes on on us to see how it pans out,its over leave please. Oh and is moanerati even a valid word because I've search and found nothing.:)[/p][/quote]The word "moanerati" is HJarrs gift to the people of Brighton & Hove. It sums up the contempt in which we, residents and council tax payers, are held by the Green Party, who, albeit via a minority vote, run the Council. Richada

9:04pm Sat 22 Feb 14

PorkyChopper says...

Have a look at who supports the UAF. It will tell you all you need to know. First page of their website. They are an Establishment mouthpiece, funded by the Establishment, used by them to stir up trouble, divide and conquer. Maybe they should consult a dictionary, so they can find out what a "fascist" is. Then they'll find out they've been working for the fascists all along.
Have a look at who supports the UAF. It will tell you all you need to know. First page of their website. They are an Establishment mouthpiece, funded by the Establishment, used by them to stir up trouble, divide and conquer. Maybe they should consult a dictionary, so they can find out what a "fascist" is. Then they'll find out they've been working for the fascists all along. PorkyChopper

9:08pm Sat 22 Feb 14

PorkyChopper says...

http://uaf.org.uk/ab
out/founding-signato
ries/
http://uaf.org.uk/ab out/founding-signato ries/ PorkyChopper

9:32pm Sat 22 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

PorkyChopper wrote:
Have a look at who supports the UAF. It will tell you all you need to know. First page of their website. They are an Establishment mouthpiece, funded by the Establishment, used by them to stir up trouble, divide and conquer. Maybe they should consult a dictionary, so they can find out what a "fascist" is. Then they'll find out they've been working for the fascists all along.
HA! Isn't that exactly what the BNPers used to claim? Come on ... surely UKIP can at least try and come up with something original ... or maybe not ... ah well.

It is true that the shambles of the Greens here in Brighton is something that has left us all wondering what next. It is also true that the other parties represented by councillors, both Conservative and Labour (we have, thank heaven, no LibDem councillors at the moment) have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard in opposing some of the loonier policy decisions.

If these past couple of years have shown us anything it has shown us that the last thing we need are councillors who are tied to a political party. We don't need councillors whose first priority is to satisfy the powers that be in their political organisation regardless of colour, flavour or political ideology. We deserve independent Councillors whose primary focus is this city and its residents.
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: Have a look at who supports the UAF. It will tell you all you need to know. First page of their website. They are an Establishment mouthpiece, funded by the Establishment, used by them to stir up trouble, divide and conquer. Maybe they should consult a dictionary, so they can find out what a "fascist" is. Then they'll find out they've been working for the fascists all along.[/p][/quote]HA! Isn't that exactly what the BNPers used to claim? Come on ... surely UKIP can at least try and come up with something original ... or maybe not ... ah well. It is true that the shambles of the Greens here in Brighton is something that has left us all wondering what next. It is also true that the other parties represented by councillors, both Conservative and Labour (we have, thank heaven, no LibDem councillors at the moment) have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard in opposing some of the loonier policy decisions. If these past couple of years have shown us anything it has shown us that the last thing we need are councillors who are tied to a political party. We don't need councillors whose first priority is to satisfy the powers that be in their political organisation regardless of colour, flavour or political ideology. We deserve independent Councillors whose primary focus is this city and its residents. mimseycal

2:24am Sun 23 Feb 14

JWinner says...

"UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for."

Well, I'm afraid I don't, given Nigel Farage has dismissed the party's 2010 manifesto as "drivel" and is hence entering the European elections without one. Is your idea of transparency and accountability not giving a toss about telling the public precisely what you promise to do?
"UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for." Well, I'm afraid I don't, given Nigel Farage has dismissed the party's 2010 manifesto as "drivel" and is hence entering the European elections without one. Is your idea of transparency and accountability not giving a toss about telling the public precisely what you promise to do? JWinner

2:56am Sun 23 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

JWinner wrote:
"UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for."

Well, I'm afraid I don't, given Nigel Farage has dismissed the party's 2010 manifesto as "drivel" and is hence entering the European elections without one. Is your idea of transparency and accountability not giving a toss about telling the public precisely what you promise to do?
Didn't he say 486 pages of drivel?
[quote][p][bold]JWinner[/bold] wrote: "UKIP is far more transparent - we all have a fairly clear idea of what they stand for." Well, I'm afraid I don't, given Nigel Farage has dismissed the party's 2010 manifesto as "drivel" and is hence entering the European elections without one. Is your idea of transparency and accountability not giving a toss about telling the public precisely what you promise to do?[/p][/quote]Didn't he say 486 pages of drivel? mimseycal

6:14pm Sun 23 Feb 14

PorkyChopper says...

mimseycal wrote:
PorkyChopper wrote:
Have a look at who supports the UAF. It will tell you all you need to know. First page of their website. They are an Establishment mouthpiece, funded by the Establishment, used by them to stir up trouble, divide and conquer. Maybe they should consult a dictionary, so they can find out what a "fascist" is. Then they'll find out they've been working for the fascists all along.
HA! Isn't that exactly what the BNPers used to claim? Come on ... surely UKIP can at least try and come up with something original ... or maybe not ... ah well.

It is true that the shambles of the Greens here in Brighton is something that has left us all wondering what next. It is also true that the other parties represented by councillors, both Conservative and Labour (we have, thank heaven, no LibDem councillors at the moment) have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard in opposing some of the loonier policy decisions.

If these past couple of years have shown us anything it has shown us that the last thing we need are councillors who are tied to a political party. We don't need councillors whose first priority is to satisfy the powers that be in their political organisation regardless of colour, flavour or political ideology. We deserve independent Councillors whose primary focus is this city and its residents.
mimseycal wrote: HA! Isn't that exactly what the BNPers used to claim? Come on ... surely UKIP can at least try and come up with something original ... or maybe not ... ah well.

Take the blinkers off, old girl.
http://uaf.org.uk/ab

out/founding-signato

ries/

David Cameron et al fully support a bunch of violent, anti-democratic,ultr
a left wing thugs and bully boys who refuse to engage in debate and try and break up meetings, and intimidate attendees meetings of legitimate political parties that they disagree with. Why come up with something "original", when the answer is there in black and white on their own website? They are as "Establishment" as the House of Lords and The Church of England.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: Have a look at who supports the UAF. It will tell you all you need to know. First page of their website. They are an Establishment mouthpiece, funded by the Establishment, used by them to stir up trouble, divide and conquer. Maybe they should consult a dictionary, so they can find out what a "fascist" is. Then they'll find out they've been working for the fascists all along.[/p][/quote]HA! Isn't that exactly what the BNPers used to claim? Come on ... surely UKIP can at least try and come up with something original ... or maybe not ... ah well. It is true that the shambles of the Greens here in Brighton is something that has left us all wondering what next. It is also true that the other parties represented by councillors, both Conservative and Labour (we have, thank heaven, no LibDem councillors at the moment) have been as much use as a chocolate fireguard in opposing some of the loonier policy decisions. If these past couple of years have shown us anything it has shown us that the last thing we need are councillors who are tied to a political party. We don't need councillors whose first priority is to satisfy the powers that be in their political organisation regardless of colour, flavour or political ideology. We deserve independent Councillors whose primary focus is this city and its residents.[/p][/quote]mimseycal wrote: HA! Isn't that exactly what the BNPers used to claim? Come on ... surely UKIP can at least try and come up with something original ... or maybe not ... ah well. Take the blinkers off, old girl. http://uaf.org.uk/ab out/founding-signato ries/ David Cameron et al fully support a bunch of violent, anti-democratic,ultr a left wing thugs and bully boys who refuse to engage in debate and try and break up meetings, and intimidate attendees meetings of legitimate political parties that they disagree with. Why come up with something "original", when the answer is there in black and white on their own website? They are as "Establishment" as the House of Lords and The Church of England. PorkyChopper

6:22pm Sun 23 Feb 14

PorkyChopper says...

HJarrs . wrote:
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.
OK. Name one of these "so many good things" that the Greens have done for B&H.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.[/p][/quote]OK. Name one of these "so many good things" that the Greens have done for B&H. PorkyChopper

6:53pm Sun 23 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

PorkyChopper wrote:I don't need blinkers Porkychopper for all my ripe old age but I would suggest you keep those noseplugs firmly in as you delve further into the murky morass of populist politics ... especially the sort that claims its manifesto is 486 pages of drivel ;-)

As for the UAF ... I'll grant you that the morons we see demonstrating are by and large targetting the wrong groups. Then again ... what publicity would UKIP have if no one ever demonstrated outside their meetings.

I personally have always objected to the notion of trying to shut up those we oppose. Nothing like letting someone open their mouth to really see how quickly they jam their feet in ...
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote:I don't need blinkers Porkychopper for all my ripe old age but I would suggest you keep those noseplugs firmly in as you delve further into the murky morass of populist politics ... especially the sort that claims its manifesto is 486 pages of drivel ;-) As for the UAF ... I'll grant you that the morons we see demonstrating are by and large targetting the wrong groups. Then again ... what publicity would UKIP have if no one ever demonstrated outside their meetings. I personally have always objected to the notion of trying to shut up those we oppose. Nothing like letting someone open their mouth to really see how quickly they jam their feet in ... mimseycal

8:39pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs . wrote:
I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati.

The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.
Tut Tut Jarrs throwing insults around really is the last resort of the desperate. Since you claim to be so democratic you really do need to accept that others do not necessarily share your dewy eyed green views. Indeed many, including me, regard the green slime at Brighton Council with complete and utter contempt for the simple reason that they view the public and council taxpayers with complete and utter contempt and, far from serving the City, they are imposing their own strange brand of Marxism on us all. Unsurprisingly of us don't like it.

As usual you seem to know so little but spout so much, which you like to pass of as fact. As a matter of fact, the average student these days cannot spell or use punctuation hence these aspects of decent English are now ignored by so many examining boards and Universities in the interests of getting students through exams. Your assertion about student intelligence is well wide of the mark, Students might be able to struggle through exams with enough fiddling of the pass criteria but they have, like Greens, no common sense as you so readily prove in everyone of your posts.

The sooner the Greens get lost, and students are denied the vote unless they really do live here, the better

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[quote][p][bold]HJarrs .[/bold] wrote: I just don't know what to say to you people. I genuinely believe that most students have more intelligence in their little finger than the average Argus moanerati. The Green Party has done so many good things for this city that I just don't know exactly what you lot want from us. You just come across as ungrateful idiots.[/p][/quote]Tut Tut Jarrs throwing insults around really is the last resort of the desperate. Since you claim to be so democratic you really do need to accept that others do not necessarily share your dewy eyed green views. Indeed many, including me, regard the green slime at Brighton Council with complete and utter contempt for the simple reason that they view the public and council taxpayers with complete and utter contempt and, far from serving the City, they are imposing their own strange brand of Marxism on us all. Unsurprisingly of us don't like it. As usual you seem to know so little but spout so much, which you like to pass of as fact. As a matter of fact, the average student these days cannot spell or use punctuation hence these aspects of decent English are now ignored by so many examining boards and Universities in the interests of getting students through exams. Your assertion about student intelligence is well wide of the mark, Students might be able to struggle through exams with enough fiddling of the pass criteria but they have, like Greens, no common sense as you so readily prove in everyone of your posts. The sooner the Greens get lost, and students are denied the vote unless they really do live here, the better . Idontbelieveit1948

2:25pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Barryld says...

Strange idea that UKIP are fascists when its the conlablibdum party that is behaving just like the fascists did in Germany in the 1930's by their incessant demonising of the poor the sick the disabled, and are leaving millions destitute with no financial help whatsoever, the group the fascists started to kill off first, practising for the Jews, meanwhile tory junior ministers think that they are worth a £40,000 raise in pay. Clearly the politics of hate is strong in the two anti UKIP groups who made up the 30 protesters.
Strange idea that UKIP are fascists when its the conlablibdum party that is behaving just like the fascists did in Germany in the 1930's by their incessant demonising of the poor the sick the disabled, and are leaving millions destitute with no financial help whatsoever, the group the fascists started to kill off first, practising for the Jews, meanwhile tory junior ministers think that they are worth a £40,000 raise in pay. Clearly the politics of hate is strong in the two anti UKIP groups who made up the 30 protesters. Barryld

5:02pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Ricayboy says...

I am in my early 30s, married with kids, a university graduate and I fully support UKIP.
I am in my early 30s, married with kids, a university graduate and I fully support UKIP. Ricayboy

5:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

Ricayboy wrote:
I am in my early 30s, married with kids, a university graduate and I fully support UKIP.
This is a newspaper commentary section ... not the political equivalent of Alcoholics Anonymous. No need to introduce yourself so formally ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ricayboy[/bold] wrote: I am in my early 30s, married with kids, a university graduate and I fully support UKIP.[/p][/quote]This is a newspaper commentary section ... not the political equivalent of Alcoholics Anonymous. No need to introduce yourself so formally ;-) mimseycal

5:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Kirk D says...

Well done Ricaboy....if you didn't already, maybe you would like to contact your local branch to see what you can do to help change British politics.....
Well done Ricaboy....if you didn't already, maybe you would like to contact your local branch to see what you can do to help change British politics..... Kirk D

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