Greens and Labour unite for 1.99% council tax rise for Brighton and Hove

Greens and Labour unite for 1.99% council tax rise for Brighton and Hove

Greens and Labour unite for 1.99% council tax rise for Brighton and Hove

First published in News by , local government reporter

Council tax will rise by 1.99% in Brighton and Hove after the Green Party and Labour finally reached a compromise.

After last week's deadlock there was added pressure on the three parties - Greens, Labour and the Conservatives - to reach an agreement last night.

Before the evening meeting an official note was sent to members reminding them of their legal duty to pass a budget and set out the consequences if they failed to do so.

They included secretary of state for communities and local government Eric Pickles making the final decision and local members being held individually responsible for a budget not being set.

For the second time in a matter of days Green Party hopes of a public referendum on a 4.75% council tax increase were dashed.

During a 30 minute debate each leader was given one more chance to push for their party's preferred position, with Labour looking for a 1.99% increase and the Conservatives vying for a freeze.

Council leader Jason Kitcat said his party went to the meeting with a heavy heart and accused the Tory contingent of trying to push the council's finances off a cliff and in to the hands of Eric Pickles.

In a passionate reply Conservative leader Geoffrey Theobald reiterated his party's commitment to freezing council tax.

Labour leader Warren Morgan said the advice from the council officers was for a 1.99% rise and members had a responsibility to respect their professional opinion.

Speaking after the vote, which saw Labour and the majority of the Green party vote through a 1.99% rise, Coun Morgan said the right decision had been made.

“It's a victory for common sense,” he said. “The consequences of us not setting the budget tonight would have been extremely serious for local services and council jobs. I'm pleased we've saved £900,000 on the referendum and £800,000 of cuts.

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“We've got a sensible rate of inflation increase and we can now get on with the job of running the council.”

Prior to the vote a joint amendment was passed unanimously by all three parties, agreeing the use of one off reserves to contribute funds to social enterprise Able and Willing which supports disabled people, the Pride festival and for employment support within adult social care.

After all Conservative members stuck to their position and voted against the budget, Coun Theobald said: “I think it's disappointing for the residents of Brighton and Hove.

“All this has done is create £850,000 and put everyone's council tax up.”

But it is the Green Party, and its embattled leader Jason Kitcat who, despite reaching an eventual compromise will be under most scrutiny having seen their 4.75% increase defeated twice.

Coun Kitcat denied the decision put him and his party in a weak position and added: “We came with heavy hearts to this but I think our position has been clear.

“It was important that the council budget was set. It is important local councillors retain the final say on this.

“I'm pleased there was cross party agreement on a series of areas which will help keep services going in the year ahead. Everybody had to compromise.

“It wasn't the budget we hoped for but at least the city has certainty and the Secretary of State will not be involved.”

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6:57am Thu 6 Mar 14

Kate234 says...

A vote for labour is a vote for Green. Quite clearly neither of these parties care about hard working families that are struggling with high living costs.

At the next election I will add up all the percentage increase in council tax these two parties have cost me and make a decision and work out whether I am prepared to pay for their policies.

What makes me so mad is that at the same time as saying they haven't got enough money millions have been wasted on 20 mph parking signs, white elephant bike lanes and all kinds of expensive vanity projects which just makes their argument of not having enough money not credible. It's a bit like a gambler going into ladbrokes, losing and then moaning that he can't manage on his salary because he is not paid enough.
A vote for labour is a vote for Green. Quite clearly neither of these parties care about hard working families that are struggling with high living costs. At the next election I will add up all the percentage increase in council tax these two parties have cost me and make a decision and work out whether I am prepared to pay for their policies. What makes me so mad is that at the same time as saying they haven't got enough money millions have been wasted on 20 mph parking signs, white elephant bike lanes and all kinds of expensive vanity projects which just makes their argument of not having enough money not credible. It's a bit like a gambler going into ladbrokes, losing and then moaning that he can't manage on his salary because he is not paid enough. Kate234
  • Score: 59

7:49am Thu 6 Mar 14

hoveguyactually says...

More money to squander on useless vanity projects, while social services suffer.
More money to squander on useless vanity projects, while social services suffer. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 56

7:52am Thu 6 Mar 14

leftysmellbags says...

Most of the country does not increase its council tax and some are even reducing the council tax but not here oh no. Brighton and Hove has one of the largest borough incomes in the country but the Greens still need to increase the burden on residents. This just shows you the mismanagement under the Greens. Also when are my bins going to be collected - its been 2 weeks now. What a shambles.
Most of the country does not increase its council tax and some are even reducing the council tax but not here oh no. Brighton and Hove has one of the largest borough incomes in the country but the Greens still need to increase the burden on residents. This just shows you the mismanagement under the Greens. Also when are my bins going to be collected - its been 2 weeks now. What a shambles. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 65

7:53am Thu 6 Mar 14

Martha Gunn says...

What a curious headline. There was little unity in it all.

Labour had to fight every corner to get its sensible compromise.
And yet again the Greens were split with the loony Veganista Tendency sabotaging their own leadership.

The infantile antics of the Green Party will never be forgiven by the people of Brighton and Hove. We have all had enough of the dreadful experiment they foisted on us. Never again.

Roll on 2015
What a curious headline. There was little unity in it all. Labour had to fight every corner to get its sensible compromise. And yet again the Greens were split with the loony Veganista Tendency sabotaging their own leadership. The infantile antics of the Green Party will never be forgiven by the people of Brighton and Hove. We have all had enough of the dreadful experiment they foisted on us. Never again. Roll on 2015 Martha Gunn
  • Score: 63

8:15am Thu 6 Mar 14

JHunty says...

So the Duncanista faction will go for Jason's head on a plate now that he failed to deliver their 4.75% rise. Ania, you'd better dust off your skimpies cos Jason's gonna need some cheering up soon.
So the Duncanista faction will go for Jason's head on a plate now that he failed to deliver their 4.75% rise. Ania, you'd better dust off your skimpies cos Jason's gonna need some cheering up soon. JHunty
  • Score: 31

8:16am Thu 6 Mar 14

TonE60 says...

Do they really think they would have won a referendum? Actually, they probably would have done, because they'd have 'fixed' the figures to suit themselves!
Do they really think they would have won a referendum? Actually, they probably would have done, because they'd have 'fixed' the figures to suit themselves! TonE60
  • Score: 30

8:23am Thu 6 Mar 14

Warren Morgan says...

A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.
A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election. Warren Morgan
  • Score: -8

8:35am Thu 6 Mar 14

JHunty says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.
No party would have been guaranteed to win such a referendum but the greens were guaranteed to lose it. They have lost what little trust people had in them. It's a great shame that neither of the two main parties are brave enough to actually represent normal people's views. Hence low turn outs and a detachment from politics being endemic. The present coalition doesn't help as it was the one result no one voted for and serves as a reminder to the electorate of just how powerless they are to exert any control or influence over those who claim to represent them.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.[/p][/quote]No party would have been guaranteed to win such a referendum but the greens were guaranteed to lose it. They have lost what little trust people had in them. It's a great shame that neither of the two main parties are brave enough to actually represent normal people's views. Hence low turn outs and a detachment from politics being endemic. The present coalition doesn't help as it was the one result no one voted for and serves as a reminder to the electorate of just how powerless they are to exert any control or influence over those who claim to represent them. JHunty
  • Score: 33

8:46am Thu 6 Mar 14

s_james says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.
Could you also remind us how much Labour increased Council Tax by last time you ran the Council?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.[/p][/quote]Could you also remind us how much Labour increased Council Tax by last time you ran the Council? s_james
  • Score: 26

8:50am Thu 6 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

I see Cllr Kennedy wasn't there yet again. If ever there was an argument for cutting the number of councillors in wards, she provides it.
I see Cllr Kennedy wasn't there yet again. If ever there was an argument for cutting the number of councillors in wards, she provides it. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 26

9:21am Thu 6 Mar 14

bikerjimbo says...

Let us put a real positive on this. We have been subject of a Green experiment. The result is we have all suffered. Petty local laws have been introduced over parking and driving around our City, bins not collected(just as examples). The leader of the Greens is despised by many, including some in his own party, he has tried to dictate to us, he has been subject of a no confidence vote, failed in budget setting, failed to control his party and has failed the city. But to turn the negatives into a positive. The country now knows that the Green Party are farcical, unable to govern, unable to gain respect, are dictatorial and are an absolute failure. Therefore they will be consigned to history and should never have any influence in the future. We have suffered but from 2015 we will recover, albeit slowly, from what has happened to us and hopefully the country will reflect on what has occurred here and vote accordingly. (13 long months to go).
Let us put a real positive on this. We have been subject of a Green experiment. The result is we have all suffered. Petty local laws have been introduced over parking and driving around our City, bins not collected(just as examples). The leader of the Greens is despised by many, including some in his own party, he has tried to dictate to us, he has been subject of a no confidence vote, failed in budget setting, failed to control his party and has failed the city. But to turn the negatives into a positive. The country now knows that the Green Party are farcical, unable to govern, unable to gain respect, are dictatorial and are an absolute failure. Therefore they will be consigned to history and should never have any influence in the future. We have suffered but from 2015 we will recover, albeit slowly, from what has happened to us and hopefully the country will reflect on what has occurred here and vote accordingly. (13 long months to go). bikerjimbo
  • Score: 39

10:07am Thu 6 Mar 14

Mel Shock says...

Conservatives opt for the vote by freezing it but as soon as in power would hike it way higher than the other parties.....be thankful for small mercys
Conservatives opt for the vote by freezing it but as soon as in power would hike it way higher than the other parties.....be thankful for small mercys Mel Shock
  • Score: -9

10:08am Thu 6 Mar 14

Brighton90 says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.
What the Conservatives are doing in East Sussex, Surrey and Kent is of no concern to us, what they do does not impact the residents of our city and does not result in hard working people in Brighton being further squeezed by a council tax increase.

The Conservative group in Brighton and Hove wanted to have a freeze on Council tax, which is all that matters to the residents of this city.

As you are having a dig at the Conservatives please could you remind us how many times your party increased Council Tax between 1996 and 2003 when the Labour party had overall control?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.[/p][/quote]What the Conservatives are doing in East Sussex, Surrey and Kent is of no concern to us, what they do does not impact the residents of our city and does not result in hard working people in Brighton being further squeezed by a council tax increase. The Conservative group in Brighton and Hove wanted to have a freeze on Council tax, which is all that matters to the residents of this city. As you are having a dig at the Conservatives please could you remind us how many times your party increased Council Tax between 1996 and 2003 when the Labour party had overall control? Brighton90
  • Score: 15

10:10am Thu 6 Mar 14

cookie_brighton says...

I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student
s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay
I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay cookie_brighton
  • Score: 36

10:25am Thu 6 Mar 14

Just trying to earn a crust says...

How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015 Just trying to earn a crust
  • Score: 38

10:37am Thu 6 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year!
[quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year! fredflintstone1
  • Score: 33

10:53am Thu 6 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

Farcical, wasteful morons finally reach a compromise! I don't know about you but the whole lot of them should be ashamed of themselves for spending OUR money on their chimp's tea party-like meetings playing "Game-of-Fools"!
Farcical, wasteful morons finally reach a compromise! I don't know about you but the whole lot of them should be ashamed of themselves for spending OUR money on their chimp's tea party-like meetings playing "Game-of-Fools"! Durango_Splubb
  • Score: 20

11:01am Thu 6 Mar 14

magic_chimp says...

bikerjimbo wrote:
Let us put a real positive on this. We have been subject of a Green experiment. The result is we have all suffered. Petty local laws have been introduced over parking and driving around our City, bins not collected(just as examples). The leader of the Greens is despised by many, including some in his own party, he has tried to dictate to us, he has been subject of a no confidence vote, failed in budget setting, failed to control his party and has failed the city. But to turn the negatives into a positive. The country now knows that the Green Party are farcical, unable to govern, unable to gain respect, are dictatorial and are an absolute failure. Therefore they will be consigned to history and should never have any influence in the future. We have suffered but from 2015 we will recover, albeit slowly, from what has happened to us and hopefully the country will reflect on what has occurred here and vote accordingly. (13 long months to go).
Nice idea that the Greens will crawl back under the rock from which they came, but realistically who out of the two other parties will benefit Brighton & Hove any better than the Greens?
Labour recently recommended the implementation of the Tivoli Road Resident Parking scheme, even though the second public consultation resulted in a majority against the proposal. The Tories are backing the £36m loan for the I-Sore development on the seafront, although central government funds surely money which could be better used elsewhere?
Let's not forget that no council administration has ever hesitated from expanding resident parking zones or hiking street parking charges and opposition parties haven't joined together to block the numerous traffic schemes that are causing more and more gridlock around the city.
A viable Park & Ride scheme is also pie in the sky & seems to be beyond the capability of any party to implement.
Lib Dems are a non starter so who else is there?
It'll be a tough choice come the local elections.
[quote][p][bold]bikerjimbo[/bold] wrote: Let us put a real positive on this. We have been subject of a Green experiment. The result is we have all suffered. Petty local laws have been introduced over parking and driving around our City, bins not collected(just as examples). The leader of the Greens is despised by many, including some in his own party, he has tried to dictate to us, he has been subject of a no confidence vote, failed in budget setting, failed to control his party and has failed the city. But to turn the negatives into a positive. The country now knows that the Green Party are farcical, unable to govern, unable to gain respect, are dictatorial and are an absolute failure. Therefore they will be consigned to history and should never have any influence in the future. We have suffered but from 2015 we will recover, albeit slowly, from what has happened to us and hopefully the country will reflect on what has occurred here and vote accordingly. (13 long months to go).[/p][/quote]Nice idea that the Greens will crawl back under the rock from which they came, but realistically who out of the two other parties will benefit Brighton & Hove any better than the Greens? Labour recently recommended the implementation of the Tivoli Road Resident Parking scheme, even though the second public consultation resulted in a majority against the proposal. The Tories are backing the £36m loan for the I-Sore development on the seafront, although central government funds surely money which could be better used elsewhere? Let's not forget that no council administration has ever hesitated from expanding resident parking zones or hiking street parking charges and opposition parties haven't joined together to block the numerous traffic schemes that are causing more and more gridlock around the city. A viable Park & Ride scheme is also pie in the sky & seems to be beyond the capability of any party to implement. Lib Dems are a non starter so who else is there? It'll be a tough choice come the local elections. magic_chimp
  • Score: 12

11:01am Thu 6 Mar 14

rolivan says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year!
I think you will find that ABS is Abstained not Absent.Although looking at some of themlast night they should have stayed at Home Baseball Caps on Unshaven and these people are representatives.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year![/p][/quote]I think you will find that ABS is Abstained not Absent.Although looking at some of themlast night they should have stayed at Home Baseball Caps on Unshaven and these people are representatives. rolivan
  • Score: 12

11:05am Thu 6 Mar 14

wippasnapper says...

One just ponders how much they spent on the wine wile having this debate and going by the list of YES votes it appears Labour is firmly up there with the Greens i.e. there not thinking about the many residents that are finding it hard to survive under the current money problems.
One just ponders how much they spent on the wine wile having this debate and going by the list of YES votes it appears Labour is firmly up there with the Greens i.e. there not thinking about the many residents that are finding it hard to survive under the current money problems. wippasnapper
  • Score: 12

11:08am Thu 6 Mar 14

missPgreen says...

You have a memory of convenience Warren Morgan.
You have a memory of convenience Warren Morgan. missPgreen
  • Score: 6

11:15am Thu 6 Mar 14

Goldenwight says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay
Many, if not most, students live in shared accommodation with the landlord being responsible for paying the Council Tax. So the students are responsible for paying Council Tax, albeit in a roundabout fashion.

Given the amount of outstanding Council Tax owed to B&H already, would you really wish to see a change to practically unenforceable charges on individuals at huge expense?
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay[/p][/quote]Many, if not most, students live in shared accommodation with the landlord being responsible for paying the Council Tax. So the students are responsible for paying Council Tax, albeit in a roundabout fashion. Given the amount of outstanding Council Tax owed to B&H already, would you really wish to see a change to practically unenforceable charges on individuals at huge expense? Goldenwight
  • Score: -18

11:20am Thu 6 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

This was always going to happen - why the green party had to drag it out for so long is beyond me. Everyone could see that between 4.75% 1.99% and O%, the middle ground would be the obvious choice - increasing income but staying under the threshold for an expensive referendum. Money is tight for me, but I support a 1.99% increase. The government is delivering huge cuts and these will filter down. Social care budgets are under huge pressure and unfortunately, many disabled and elderly people will have their support reduced. However, 4.75% was just too much to ask in the current economic climate.
This was always going to happen - why the green party had to drag it out for so long is beyond me. Everyone could see that between 4.75% 1.99% and O%, the middle ground would be the obvious choice - increasing income but staying under the threshold for an expensive referendum. Money is tight for me, but I support a 1.99% increase. The government is delivering huge cuts and these will filter down. Social care budgets are under huge pressure and unfortunately, many disabled and elderly people will have their support reduced. However, 4.75% was just too much to ask in the current economic climate. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

11:23am Thu 6 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Goldenwight wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay
Many, if not most, students live in shared accommodation with the landlord being responsible for paying the Council Tax. So the students are responsible for paying Council Tax, albeit in a roundabout fashion.

Given the amount of outstanding Council Tax owed to B&H already, would you really wish to see a change to practically unenforceable charges on individuals at huge expense?
Not true. The tenants are responsible for council tax - if they are all students then they are all exempt.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay[/p][/quote]Many, if not most, students live in shared accommodation with the landlord being responsible for paying the Council Tax. So the students are responsible for paying Council Tax, albeit in a roundabout fashion. Given the amount of outstanding Council Tax owed to B&H already, would you really wish to see a change to practically unenforceable charges on individuals at huge expense?[/p][/quote]Not true. The tenants are responsible for council tax - if they are all students then they are all exempt. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 24

11:38am Thu 6 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year!
To register a vote you had to be present. Yes and No are self explanatory. Abs = abstaining and you had to be there, in the room, pressing the button for those few seconds it took for the electronic machine to register your Abs.

I know as I was there ... enjoying every moment of the farce. Especially Geoffrey Theobalds' 'impassioned tirade ;-)
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year![/p][/quote]To register a vote you had to be present. Yes and No are self explanatory. Abs = abstaining and you had to be there, in the room, pressing the button for those few seconds it took for the electronic machine to register your Abs. I know as I was there ... enjoying every moment of the farce. Especially Geoffrey Theobalds' 'impassioned tirade ;-) mimseycal
  • Score: 4

11:59am Thu 6 Mar 14

fredflintstone1 says...

rolivan wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year!
I think you will find that ABS is Abstained not Absent.Although looking at some of themlast night they should have stayed at Home Baseball Caps on Unshaven and these people are representatives.
Absolutely right - but if you look closely at official record of voting included in the article, you won't find the names of Messrs Kennedy, Littman or Jones showing there, either voting or abstaining.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year![/p][/quote]I think you will find that ABS is Abstained not Absent.Although looking at some of themlast night they should have stayed at Home Baseball Caps on Unshaven and these people are representatives.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right - but if you look closely at official record of voting included in the article, you won't find the names of Messrs Kennedy, Littman or Jones showing there, either voting or abstaining. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 14

12:01pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

magic_chimp wrote:
bikerjimbo wrote: Let us put a real positive on this. We have been subject of a Green experiment. The result is we have all suffered. Petty local laws have been introduced over parking and driving around our City, bins not collected(just as examples). The leader of the Greens is despised by many, including some in his own party, he has tried to dictate to us, he has been subject of a no confidence vote, failed in budget setting, failed to control his party and has failed the city. But to turn the negatives into a positive. The country now knows that the Green Party are farcical, unable to govern, unable to gain respect, are dictatorial and are an absolute failure. Therefore they will be consigned to history and should never have any influence in the future. We have suffered but from 2015 we will recover, albeit slowly, from what has happened to us and hopefully the country will reflect on what has occurred here and vote accordingly. (13 long months to go).
Nice idea that the Greens will crawl back under the rock from which they came, but realistically who out of the two other parties will benefit Brighton & Hove any better than the Greens? Labour recently recommended the implementation of the Tivoli Road Resident Parking scheme, even though the second public consultation resulted in a majority against the proposal. The Tories are backing the £36m loan for the I-Sore development on the seafront, although central government funds surely money which could be better used elsewhere? Let's not forget that no council administration has ever hesitated from expanding resident parking zones or hiking street parking charges and opposition parties haven't joined together to block the numerous traffic schemes that are causing more and more gridlock around the city. A viable Park & Ride scheme is also pie in the sky & seems to be beyond the capability of any party to implement. Lib Dems are a non starter so who else is there? It'll be a tough choice come the local elections.
There's always UKIP who will make wearing wax jackets and smoking compulsory and stop chaps helping their wives with the washing up
[quote][p][bold]magic_chimp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bikerjimbo[/bold] wrote: Let us put a real positive on this. We have been subject of a Green experiment. The result is we have all suffered. Petty local laws have been introduced over parking and driving around our City, bins not collected(just as examples). The leader of the Greens is despised by many, including some in his own party, he has tried to dictate to us, he has been subject of a no confidence vote, failed in budget setting, failed to control his party and has failed the city. But to turn the negatives into a positive. The country now knows that the Green Party are farcical, unable to govern, unable to gain respect, are dictatorial and are an absolute failure. Therefore they will be consigned to history and should never have any influence in the future. We have suffered but from 2015 we will recover, albeit slowly, from what has happened to us and hopefully the country will reflect on what has occurred here and vote accordingly. (13 long months to go).[/p][/quote]Nice idea that the Greens will crawl back under the rock from which they came, but realistically who out of the two other parties will benefit Brighton & Hove any better than the Greens? Labour recently recommended the implementation of the Tivoli Road Resident Parking scheme, even though the second public consultation resulted in a majority against the proposal. The Tories are backing the £36m loan for the I-Sore development on the seafront, although central government funds surely money which could be better used elsewhere? Let's not forget that no council administration has ever hesitated from expanding resident parking zones or hiking street parking charges and opposition parties haven't joined together to block the numerous traffic schemes that are causing more and more gridlock around the city. A viable Park & Ride scheme is also pie in the sky & seems to be beyond the capability of any party to implement. Lib Dems are a non starter so who else is there? It'll be a tough choice come the local elections.[/p][/quote]There's always UKIP who will make wearing wax jackets and smoking compulsory and stop chaps helping their wives with the washing up Rearrangethedeckchairs
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12:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Thay Qon U says...

Goldenwight wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay
Many, if not most, students live in shared accommodation with the landlord being responsible for paying the Council Tax. So the students are responsible for paying Council Tax, albeit in a roundabout fashion.

Given the amount of outstanding Council Tax owed to B&H already, would you really wish to see a change to practically unenforceable charges on individuals at huge expense?
Not sure that the comment about Students is true. The BHCC budget report has enough concern about the 'negative' impact of Student Households that it contains a separate section on the current & projected 'loss' of Council Tax income from Student Households - in effect the projected growth in chargeable households ('new builds') .is offset by the growing loss of income from Student Households.

Extract (page 130) from that report below:-
" The first chart shows the numbers of properties on the council tax register. Properties occupied by students are exempt
from council tax and so this particularly highlights the changes in the taxbase excluding halls of residence and then the
second chart shows the profile of student exemptions in properties other than halls of residence. While there is
underlying growth in the council taxbase it is almost entirely offset by the growth in student exemptions – from 2015/16
the financial model assumes a net 0.25% growth. "

The point about the arrears of Council Tax (£16.5m March 2013 & projected arrears at 31/03/14 close to £20m) is very valid. If BHCC collected a conservative 10% of those legacy arrears next year then that is £2m to fund services and/or to drive out more efficiency, effectiveness & economy in current services.

If BHCC can't collect the arrears then why not outsource or pass the debt to a factoring agent for collection?
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: I am at present not working due to an accident. I am in receipt of welfare benefit.......out of this I have to pay £64 per annum towards my council tax...............if I am having to pay council tax..... is it not time to bring in a system that students pay some sort of council tax, as at the moment they pay.....nothing, and to be honest....it is mostly these that cause the filthy conditions of our streets ( in certain areas).....they have the same street lighting as I do, they have the same emergency services that I do they benefit from the council services that i do........more students coming to Brighton so I anticipate more council tax rises........Student s seem to have plenty of money to go clubbing at weekends etc......get them to pay[/p][/quote]Many, if not most, students live in shared accommodation with the landlord being responsible for paying the Council Tax. So the students are responsible for paying Council Tax, albeit in a roundabout fashion. Given the amount of outstanding Council Tax owed to B&H already, would you really wish to see a change to practically unenforceable charges on individuals at huge expense?[/p][/quote]Not sure that the comment about Students is true. The BHCC budget report has enough concern about the 'negative' impact of Student Households that it contains a separate section on the current & projected 'loss' of Council Tax income from Student Households - in effect the projected growth in chargeable households ('new builds') .is offset by the growing loss of income from Student Households. Extract (page 130) from that report below:- " The first chart shows the numbers of properties on the council tax register. Properties occupied by students are exempt from council tax and so this particularly highlights the changes in the taxbase excluding halls of residence and then the second chart shows the profile of student exemptions in properties other than halls of residence. While there is underlying growth in the council taxbase it is almost entirely offset by the growth in student exemptions – from 2015/16 the financial model assumes a net 0.25% growth. " The point about the arrears of Council Tax (£16.5m March 2013 & projected arrears at 31/03/14 close to £20m) is very valid. If BHCC collected a conservative 10% of those legacy arrears next year then that is £2m to fund services and/or to drive out more efficiency, effectiveness & economy in current services. If BHCC can't collect the arrears then why not outsource or pass the debt to a factoring agent for collection? Thay Qon U
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12:20pm Thu 6 Mar 14

brightonian57 says...

mimseycal wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year!
To register a vote you had to be present. Yes and No are self explanatory. Abs = abstaining and you had to be there, in the room, pressing the button for those few seconds it took for the electronic machine to register your Abs.

I know as I was there ... enjoying every moment of the farce. Especially Geoffrey Theobalds' 'impassioned tirade ;-)
You might well well have been, but unless Littman registered under another name he wasn't. Nor were Kennedy or Jones. No ABS. against their names just no names.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year![/p][/quote]To register a vote you had to be present. Yes and No are self explanatory. Abs = abstaining and you had to be there, in the room, pressing the button for those few seconds it took for the electronic machine to register your Abs. I know as I was there ... enjoying every moment of the farce. Especially Geoffrey Theobalds' 'impassioned tirade ;-)[/p][/quote]You might well well have been, but unless Littman registered under another name he wasn't. Nor were Kennedy or Jones. No ABS. against their names just no names. brightonian57
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12:33pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Mr P Brown says...

rolivan wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just trying to earn a crust wrote:
How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015
Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year!
I think you will find that ABS is Abstained not Absent.Although looking at some of themlast night they should have stayed at Home Baseball Caps on Unshaven and these people are representatives.
Yes ABS against their names would have a meant they had Abstained, unfortunately there were no names to write ABS against
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Just trying to earn a crust[/bold] wrote: How refreshing to look at the voting list, and realise that Leo Littman my local (Green) Councillor couldn't even be bothered to turn up. It just about sums the Greens up, they can’t be bothered Roll on 2015[/p][/quote]Not one of the three Green Councillors from Preston Park ward was present, at what has to have been the most important Council meeting of the year![/p][/quote]I think you will find that ABS is Abstained not Absent.Although looking at some of themlast night they should have stayed at Home Baseball Caps on Unshaven and these people are representatives.[/p][/quote]Yes ABS against their names would have a meant they had Abstained, unfortunately there were no names to write ABS against Mr P Brown
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12:35pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Quiterie says...

I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent.

I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.
I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent. I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan. Quiterie
  • Score: 15

12:46pm Thu 6 Mar 14

notaconspiracy says...

I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.
I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it. notaconspiracy
  • Score: -9

1:02pm Thu 6 Mar 14

roystony says...

Put a tie on kitcat!!
Put a tie on kitcat!! roystony
  • Score: 11

1:03pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Mr P Brown says...

Quiterie wrote:
I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent.

I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.
Probably the number of the hook, they can put their coat on
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent. I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.[/p][/quote]Probably the number of the hook, they can put their coat on Mr P Brown
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1:06pm Thu 6 Mar 14

tinker111 says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.
Great bedfellows RED & GREEN Stop /Go council
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: A reminder that the increase we voted for is the same as neighbouring East Sussex, Surrey and Kent councils - all Conservative controlled. The Conservatives here increased council tax by much bigger amounts when running the council till 2011, when they froze it just before the election.[/p][/quote]Great bedfellows RED & GREEN Stop /Go council tinker111
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1:16pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Warren Morgan says...

notaconspiracy wrote:
I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.
Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan.
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[quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.[/p][/quote]Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/ Warren Morgan
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1:17pm Thu 6 Mar 14

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Nice eh? How about us that have cut EVERYTHING to the bone and simply do not have the money?
Bitterly disappointed to be honest and my Labour Party membership is now in danger of being cancelled to pay for the rise.
Isn't it Tories that vote for the have nots to pay usually?
Labour will oppose the Isore360 funding but their Green bedfellows will push it through with Tory backing So much for worrying about the vulnerable
Nice eh? How about us that have cut EVERYTHING to the bone and simply do not have the money? Bitterly disappointed to be honest and my Labour Party membership is now in danger of being cancelled to pay for the rise. Isn't it Tories that vote for the have nots to pay usually? Labour will oppose the Isore360 funding but their Green bedfellows will push it through with Tory backing So much for worrying about the vulnerable upsidedowntuctuc
  • Score: 9

2:40pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hovite says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.
Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan.

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I think most people wouldn't mind paying extra council tax if they knew that they would get something back. Like a state of the art Leisure centre.

You sit on the King Alfred project board and have agreed to a 450 residential development with a token gesture 25m pool.

Is there any will between the parties to provide any sports project worthy of city status? And where do you stand on this?
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.[/p][/quote]Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/[/p][/quote]I think most people wouldn't mind paying extra council tax if they knew that they would get something back. Like a state of the art Leisure centre. You sit on the King Alfred project board and have agreed to a 450 residential development with a token gesture 25m pool. Is there any will between the parties to provide any sports project worthy of city status? And where do you stand on this? Hovite
  • Score: 10

2:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Warren Morgan says...

Hovite wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.
Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan.


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I think most people wouldn't mind paying extra council tax if they knew that they would get something back. Like a state of the art Leisure centre.

You sit on the King Alfred project board and have agreed to a 450 residential development with a token gesture 25m pool.

Is there any will between the parties to provide any sports project worthy of city status? And where do you stand on this?
Absolutely - I'd like to see a leisure centre as well as/instead of something like the i360, though there is little profit generated by them so they do need associated housing developments to help fund the build - we went to look at one in Bletchley which has done that. The project board has not met in quite a while, we were working cross party to get the KA moving again, I'm disappointed this still hasn't happened. What's agreed is just a guide, not a final design. There's a lot of debate on pool size - Olympic sized one's aren't necessarily what is most flexible/appropriate according to Sport England and there's evidence from Crawley that that is the case.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.[/p][/quote]Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/[/p][/quote]I think most people wouldn't mind paying extra council tax if they knew that they would get something back. Like a state of the art Leisure centre. You sit on the King Alfred project board and have agreed to a 450 residential development with a token gesture 25m pool. Is there any will between the parties to provide any sports project worthy of city status? And where do you stand on this?[/p][/quote]Absolutely - I'd like to see a leisure centre as well as/instead of something like the i360, though there is little profit generated by them so they do need associated housing developments to help fund the build - we went to look at one in Bletchley which has done that. The project board has not met in quite a while, we were working cross party to get the KA moving again, I'm disappointed this still hasn't happened. What's agreed is just a guide, not a final design. There's a lot of debate on pool size - Olympic sized one's aren't necessarily what is most flexible/appropriate according to Sport England and there's evidence from Crawley that that is the case. Warren Morgan
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3:21pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Hovite says...

Warren Morgan wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Warren Morgan wrote:
notaconspiracy wrote:
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I think most people wouldn't mind paying extra council tax if they knew that they would get something back. Like a state of the art Leisure centre.

You sit on the King Alfred project board and have agreed to a 450 residential development with a token gesture 25m pool.

Is there any will between the parties to provide any sports project worthy of city status? And where do you stand on this?
Absolutely - I'd like to see a leisure centre as well as/instead of something like the i360, though there is little profit generated by them so they do need associated housing developments to help fund the build - we went to look at one in Bletchley which has done that. The project board has not met in quite a while, we were working cross party to get the KA moving again, I'm disappointed this still hasn't happened. What's agreed is just a guide, not a final design. There's a lot of debate on pool size - Olympic sized one's aren't necessarily what is most flexible/appropriate according to Sport England and there's evidence from Crawley that that is the case.
That's more down to lack of imagination. The current King Alfred 25m pool project policy does not even include a diving area. A 50m pool could be divided with floating pontoons to allow a diving area, and national competitions could be held here if the facilities were of high sports status.

We also know that an ice rink in the city would be a massive draw but it is one subject that all parties refuse to discuss even though ice rinks make £0.5m profit each year.

But my point to my previous post was that residents would be happy to pay an increase in council tax in return for state of the art sports facilities. I would pay an extra 10 – 20% of my council tax if the leaders of all councils had aspirations in that direction, but on this subject it is rather silent.

The King Alfred should be a complete sports village including a hotel for visitors to the city, not a 450 residential development. The saddest thing for the King Alfred is that the policy is set and any developer with an alternative plan will be rejected.
[quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Warren Morgan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: I was surprised that Labour didn't support the proposed larger increase to help maintain social/community services in the city. I wonder why they didn't and hope they don't regret it.[/p][/quote]Reasons clearly set out here: http://warrenmorgan. wordpress.com/2014/0 2/28/a-labour-agenda -for-local-governmen t/[/p][/quote]I think most people wouldn't mind paying extra council tax if they knew that they would get something back. Like a state of the art Leisure centre. You sit on the King Alfred project board and have agreed to a 450 residential development with a token gesture 25m pool. Is there any will between the parties to provide any sports project worthy of city status? And where do you stand on this?[/p][/quote]Absolutely - I'd like to see a leisure centre as well as/instead of something like the i360, though there is little profit generated by them so they do need associated housing developments to help fund the build - we went to look at one in Bletchley which has done that. The project board has not met in quite a while, we were working cross party to get the KA moving again, I'm disappointed this still hasn't happened. What's agreed is just a guide, not a final design. There's a lot of debate on pool size - Olympic sized one's aren't necessarily what is most flexible/appropriate according to Sport England and there's evidence from Crawley that that is the case.[/p][/quote]That's more down to lack of imagination. The current King Alfred 25m pool project policy does not even include a diving area. A 50m pool could be divided with floating pontoons to allow a diving area, and national competitions could be held here if the facilities were of high sports status. We also know that an ice rink in the city would be a massive draw but it is one subject that all parties refuse to discuss even though ice rinks make £0.5m profit each year. But my point to my previous post was that residents would be happy to pay an increase in council tax in return for state of the art sports facilities. I would pay an extra 10 – 20% of my council tax if the leaders of all councils had aspirations in that direction, but on this subject it is rather silent. The King Alfred should be a complete sports village including a hotel for visitors to the city, not a 450 residential development. The saddest thing for the King Alfred is that the policy is set and any developer with an alternative plan will be rejected. Hovite
  • Score: 2

3:25pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Quiterie says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent.

I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.
Probably the number of the hook, they can put their coat on
I thought it might be age they lost their virginity...........
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent. I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.[/p][/quote]Probably the number of the hook, they can put their coat on[/p][/quote]I thought it might be age they lost their virginity........... Quiterie
  • Score: 6

4:42pm Thu 6 Mar 14

peachesncream says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
I see Cllr Kennedy wasn't there yet again. If ever there was an argument for cutting the number of councillors in wards, she provides it.
Quite agree - she's the most useless councillor I've ever heard of...just a waste of space, except for how her Green cronies perceive her. She refuses to represent anyone in her ward who holds differing opinions to herself and we're supposed to be in a democratic society. The Greens, and this one in particular, know nothing of democracy.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: I see Cllr Kennedy wasn't there yet again. If ever there was an argument for cutting the number of councillors in wards, she provides it.[/p][/quote]Quite agree - she's the most useless councillor I've ever heard of...just a waste of space, except for how her Green cronies perceive her. She refuses to represent anyone in her ward who holds differing opinions to herself and we're supposed to be in a democratic society. The Greens, and this one in particular, know nothing of democracy. peachesncream
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6:31pm Thu 6 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Just seen the travellers landing on wild park. Gate was open - hopefully not opened for them this time. Best get down there BHCC, or that's another chunk of your budget spent.
Just seen the travellers landing on wild park. Gate was open - hopefully not opened for them this time. Best get down there BHCC, or that's another chunk of your budget spent. thevoiceoftruth
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7:07pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Quiterie wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent.

I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.
Probably the number of the hook, they can put their coat on
I thought it might be age they lost their virginity...........
Because the voting was done electronically rather then by show of hands, each councillor was assigned a device. The number correlates to the device assigned to the given councillor.

Re the absenteeism, I did not notice any empty seats in the Council Chamber.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I'm trying to work out what the figures on the left represent. I thought it might be each Cllr's IQ, but 7 seems a bit high for Cllr Duncan.[/p][/quote]Probably the number of the hook, they can put their coat on[/p][/quote]I thought it might be age they lost their virginity...........[/p][/quote]Because the voting was done electronically rather then by show of hands, each councillor was assigned a device. The number correlates to the device assigned to the given councillor. Re the absenteeism, I did not notice any empty seats in the Council Chamber. mimseycal
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7:12pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Durango_Splubb says...

Quiterie wrote:
Re the absenteeism, I did not notice any empty seats in the Council Chamber.

Because it means Abstain! -They were there but, as usual, they were playing the political 'Numbers Game'!
Quiterie wrote: Re the absenteeism, I did not notice any empty seats in the Council Chamber. Because it means Abstain! -They were there but, as usual, they were playing the political 'Numbers Game'! Durango_Splubb
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7:40pm Thu 6 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Durango_Splubb wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Re the absenteeism, I did not notice any empty seats in the Council Chamber.

Because it means Abstain! -They were there but, as usual, they were playing the political 'Numbers Game'!
Actually it was I but never mind ... as long as Quiterie doesn't ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Durango_Splubb[/bold] wrote: Quiterie wrote: Re the absenteeism, I did not notice any empty seats in the Council Chamber. Because it means Abstain! -They were there but, as usual, they were playing the political 'Numbers Game'![/p][/quote]Actually it was I but never mind ... as long as Quiterie doesn't ;-) mimseycal
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8:38pm Thu 6 Mar 14

LeonBIank666 says...

Perhaps Kitkat can now afford to by some mints to hide his fishy corpse breath.
Perhaps Kitkat can now afford to by some mints to hide his fishy corpse breath. LeonBIank666
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