Every Brighton and Hove school to be hit by teacher strike

Every Brighton and Hove school to be hit by teacher strike (stock pic)

Every Brighton and Hove school to be hit by teacher strike (stock pic)

First published in News
Last updated

More than 30,000 pupils will be affected by next Wednesday’s teachers’ strike which is expected to close every school in Brighton and Hove.

The majority of secondary schools in the city have already confirmed their closure.

Across the county it is predicted themajority of schools will also be hit.

Tens of thousands of pupils will get the day off as National Union of Teachers (NUT) members take to the picket line over pay, conditions and pensions.

Twenty-nine schools have confirmed they are to close across Sussex with many more expected in the coming days.

Phil Clarke, NUT union representative, described the decision to strike as “tough” for all teachers.

He said: “Teachers dedicate themselves to their jobs and striking is never easy. This action is about not only our own pay and conditions but also about the long term future of education for all children.

“Parents unfortunately put out by this strike should lay blame solely with the Government and Michael Gove.

“He refuses to enter into meaningful talks and leaves us with no choice if we are to make ourselves heard.”

There are an estimated 2,000 members of the NUT in Brighton and Hove alone.

Union representative Phil Clarke told The Argus he expected the “vast majority” to take part in the strike action, if not all.

He said: “Last time we held action on this scale I think there was perhaps one school left open in the city.”

TheNUThas around 3,000 members in East Sussex with around the same number again in West Sussex.

The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy.

Related links

They say teachers regularly work 60 hour weeks and as a result many “burnout” or simply walk away from the profession.

With regards to performance related pay, the union claims Michael Gove’s plans would see teachers working to better themselves rather than working to improve their school as a whole.

Changes to pensions has also been a contentious issue with teachers now set to pay more, work longer and receive less when they retire.

Mr Clarke added: “This is not the kind of action we take lightly.

“If the Government wants a good education system then it needs to start valuing those who make it, the teachers.”

Union members will hold a series of marches across the county on Wednesday.

In Brighton and Hove the main rally will be at the Brighthelm Centre in North Road at 11am.

Comments (50)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

11:10am Fri 21 Mar 14

Hove Actually says...

The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy

REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat.

If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...
The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat. If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were... Hove Actually
  • Score: 26

11:31am Fri 21 Mar 14

L bailey says...

Parents get fined for taking their children out of school for holidays, as it is deemed to be unacceptable due to interruption to their education. However, it seems teachers can have extra days out of school for inset days and then take further days for strike action. Hardly seems fair to me.
Parents get fined for taking their children out of school for holidays, as it is deemed to be unacceptable due to interruption to their education. However, it seems teachers can have extra days out of school for inset days and then take further days for strike action. Hardly seems fair to me. L bailey
  • Score: 30

12:01pm Fri 21 Mar 14

plumptonfandango says...

Hove Actually wrote:
The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy

REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat.

If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...
Despite the fact that I am in agreement with you, if anyone is so unhappy with the conditions in their occupation, they could always go into teaching....
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat. If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...[/p][/quote]Despite the fact that I am in agreement with you, if anyone is so unhappy with the conditions in their occupation, they could always go into teaching.... plumptonfandango
  • Score: 14

12:13pm Fri 21 Mar 14

wippasnapper says...

Good point so maybe its time to dock teachers pay for the time they have off duo to the fact that they are interrupting children’s education and lets be honest what are they teaching our children in there move to strike the message they are giving to the young workers to come is if you dote except your work conditions and level of pay you can strike grate education for our kids of today.
Good point so maybe its time to dock teachers pay for the time they have off duo to the fact that they are interrupting children’s education and lets be honest what are they teaching our children in there move to strike the message they are giving to the young workers to come is if you dote except your work conditions and level of pay you can strike grate education for our kids of today. wippasnapper
  • Score: -10

12:25pm Fri 21 Mar 14

plumptonfandango says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Good point so maybe its time to dock teachers pay for the time they have off duo to the fact that they are interrupting children’s education and lets be honest what are they teaching our children in there move to strike the message they are giving to the young workers to come is if you dote except your work conditions and level of pay you can strike grate education for our kids of today.
Despite that I am annoyed at the fact that teachers are striking, I have to support their right to strike. What if there is an unfair change to your working conditions? At the end of the day, that's all any working person has, the right to withdraw their labour if they feel aggrieved.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Good point so maybe its time to dock teachers pay for the time they have off duo to the fact that they are interrupting children’s education and lets be honest what are they teaching our children in there move to strike the message they are giving to the young workers to come is if you dote except your work conditions and level of pay you can strike grate education for our kids of today.[/p][/quote]Despite that I am annoyed at the fact that teachers are striking, I have to support their right to strike. What if there is an unfair change to your working conditions? At the end of the day, that's all any working person has, the right to withdraw their labour if they feel aggrieved. plumptonfandango
  • Score: 9

12:29pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Ph0enix says...

I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc. Ph0enix
  • Score: 13

12:33pm Fri 21 Mar 14

plumptonfandango says...

Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
Quite. As I have posted on other teaching related Argus articles today, if people are so unhappy in their own occupations, so envious of the "long holidays", they could always consider teaching....

However, it still irks me somewhat that should I want to take my child out of school, missing a days education, I run the risk of being fined.....
[quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]Quite. As I have posted on other teaching related Argus articles today, if people are so unhappy in their own occupations, so envious of the "long holidays", they could always consider teaching.... However, it still irks me somewhat that should I want to take my child out of school, missing a days education, I run the risk of being fined..... plumptonfandango
  • Score: 14

12:39pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
I don't necessarily agree that your pay and conditions are that bad but you do indeed have the right to strike.

BUT ......

At least have the decency to give more than a weeks notice so child care can be arranged. Also, stop asking parents for more and more money EVERY week for activities that should be covered by the school budget.

Stop changing the uniform rules thus cost parents yet more money ( and at the moment that is aimed SQUARELY at Blatchington Mill ! ).

Finally, stop the expensive foreign trips that only well off parents can afford. Those of us that can't afford them then feel guilty our children get left in lessons while these trips take place. Yet when WE want to take our children abroad during term time WE get fined.

The schools, teachers and education system in this country at present needs overhauling top to bottom.
[quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]I don't necessarily agree that your pay and conditions are that bad but you do indeed have the right to strike. BUT ...... At least have the decency to give more than a weeks notice so child care can be arranged. Also, stop asking parents for more and more money EVERY week for activities that should be covered by the school budget. Stop changing the uniform rules thus cost parents yet more money ( and at the moment that is aimed SQUARELY at Blatchington Mill ! ). Finally, stop the expensive foreign trips that only well off parents can afford. Those of us that can't afford them then feel guilty our children get left in lessons while these trips take place. Yet when WE want to take our children abroad during term time WE get fined. The schools, teachers and education system in this country at present needs overhauling top to bottom. Fight_Back
  • Score: 26

12:44pm Fri 21 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

Perhaps you, “Hove Actually”, should teach a class of 35 plus pupils. Then you may change your mind! The grass is always greener on the other side of the street!
Teaching is highly stressful, not only the job, but many who work within Control Freak Management cultures and the bureaucratic paper nightmare started by Thatcherism in the 1990s and continued under New Labour.
In a Tribune article I posed the question: “Is Gove Ignorant or Cleverly Destructive?” (29 Nov – 19 Dec 2013). I believe that it is both. He is ignorant because he does not listen to people who have REAL education experience, unless they tell him what he wants to hear. He is destructive because he is (deliberately?) demoralising and destroying Public Sector Education in an attempt to privatise it by the back door.
Unfortunately, we are, and have been , governed by young career politicians (in all parties) who have little, or no, experience of the huge departments they are in charge of.
Performance Related Pay, a policy rooted in the “bonus culture” (Look where that has got us!), was the discredited and abandoned “Payment by Results” policy in the 19th century. Teachers need to support each other in teams sharing ideas and best practice – not compete individually. Most teachers teach because of a sense of vocation – not pay. Despite all the years of educational research, it is ignored by Gove in his attempt to try and return education to the “Dark Ages.” He is doing immense damage, but then, he is an “ignorant,” career politician trying to make his mark!

Vic Parks (retired Senior Lecturer in Teacher Training who had a previous life as a Brighton, Bostel, electrical apprentice and Merchant Navy engineer!)
Perhaps you, “Hove Actually”, should teach a class of 35 plus pupils. Then you may change your mind! The grass is always greener on the other side of the street! Teaching is highly stressful, not only the job, but many who work within Control Freak Management cultures and the bureaucratic paper nightmare started by Thatcherism in the 1990s and continued under New Labour. In a Tribune article I posed the question: “Is Gove Ignorant or Cleverly Destructive?” (29 Nov – 19 Dec 2013). I believe that it is both. He is ignorant because he does not listen to people who have REAL education experience, unless they tell him what he wants to hear. He is destructive because he is (deliberately?) demoralising and destroying Public Sector Education in an attempt to privatise it by the back door. Unfortunately, we are, and have been [with New Labour], governed by young career politicians (in all parties) who have little, or no, experience of the huge departments they are in charge of. Performance Related Pay, a policy rooted in the “bonus culture” (Look where that has got us!), was the discredited and abandoned “Payment by Results” policy in the 19th century. Teachers need to support each other in teams sharing ideas and best practice – not compete individually. Most teachers teach because of a sense of vocation – not pay. Despite all the years of educational research, it is ignored by Gove in his attempt to try and return education to the “Dark Ages.” He is doing immense damage, but then, he is an “ignorant,” career politician trying to make his mark! Vic Parks [Old Grassroots Geezer] (retired Senior Lecturer in Teacher Training who had a previous life as a Brighton, Bostel, electrical apprentice and Merchant Navy engineer!) old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Fri 21 Mar 14

fredaj says...

Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
Is anyone saying it is easy to teach?

All I see is "that's the job you signed up for, so suck it up".

And as for the change in pension age and the amount required to be contributed to your pension - you are no different to everyone else, excepting of course that the pension you will eventually receive is still exceptional value for your contributions and it pretty much impossible to match outside for teaching.

A £12,000 index linked pension would currently cost in excess of £400,000 to purchase.
[quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]Is anyone saying it is easy to teach? All I see is "that's the job you signed up for, so suck it up". And as for the change in pension age and the amount required to be contributed to your pension - you are no different to everyone else, excepting of course that the pension you will eventually receive is still exceptional value for your contributions and it pretty much impossible to match outside for teaching. A £12,000 index linked pension would currently cost in excess of £400,000 to purchase. fredaj
  • Score: 18

1:43pm Fri 21 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

I find all this negativism about teachers very demoralising. Is the anger displayed by the comments an outlet for the anger writers feel about life in general? The negative details about fining for taking kids out of school uniform, etc. is nothing to do with individual teachers but the “career politicians,” trying to show that they are “doing something.” Overseas school trips by well off children is the fault of the society where the rich have got richer and the poor poorer. Embarrassingly, in the 1950s, I used to go to Patcham School with a hole in my worn out trousers. Now, kids without “designer clothes” are looked down upon!!!

Education is the engine room of a modern economy in which ALL benefit. You should be supporting teachers and lecturers who spend many years training (e.g. Degree, teacher training) plus INSET training

You are in the argument as to why one person gets more than another. Why should, for example, footballers get obscene amounts of money when people like Tom Finney had to have a job to support him when he played? For my older generation, society appears to have lost its “moral Compass.” Do you realise that you are in a top down Class War led by Tories with Thatcherite attitudes?
I find all this negativism about teachers very demoralising. Is the anger displayed by the comments an outlet for the anger writers feel about life in general? The negative details about fining for taking kids out of school uniform, etc. is nothing to do with individual teachers but the “career politicians,” trying to show that they are “doing something.” Overseas school trips by well off children is the fault of the society where the rich have got richer and the poor poorer. Embarrassingly, in the 1950s, I used to go to Patcham School with a hole in my worn out trousers. Now, kids without “designer clothes” are looked down upon!!! Education is the engine room of a modern economy in which ALL benefit. You should be supporting teachers and lecturers who spend many years training (e.g. Degree, teacher training) plus INSET training You are in the argument as to why one person gets more than another. Why should, for example, footballers get obscene amounts of money when people like Tom Finney had to have a job to support him when he played? For my older generation, society appears to have lost its “moral Compass.” Do you realise that you are in a top down Class War led by Tories with Thatcherite attitudes? old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 1

1:55pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

"The negative details about fining for taking kids out" - actually the Head takes the decision as to whether to impose the fine so yes, a teacher does have control over this.
"The negative details about fining for taking kids out" - actually the Head takes the decision as to whether to impose the fine so yes, a teacher does have control over this. Fight_Back
  • Score: 13

3:18pm Fri 21 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

I have been a working parent for most of my life and I have been hit by teachers strikes. I am currently the grandparent that gets the children when teachers strike which means a long day as I drive around collecting the various grand offspring in the morning and then drop them off again at the end of the day and I would do it again and again.

Teachers are one of if not the most important input devices for our future.
I have been a working parent for most of my life and I have been hit by teachers strikes. I am currently the grandparent that gets the children when teachers strike which means a long day as I drive around collecting the various grand offspring in the morning and then drop them off again at the end of the day and I would do it again and again. Teachers are one of if not the most important input devices for our future. mimseycal
  • Score: 12

3:28pm Fri 21 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

Fight Back. If true, who put the legislation in place? … Career politicians trying to crack a nut of "School Abstainers" with a sledgehammer!! Probably, it was to try and get parents who do not care much about their children's education to put them in school. Thus, the usual law of: unintended outcomes where decent parents want to take their kids out for genuine reasons. For poorer families, it may be the only way they can afford a holiday - off season! I would also say that age ought to be a factor. Would it matter TOOOOO much if an Infant school kid was out for a week or two? Anyway, if the Head starts the action, would it not have to go to Court? Whatever the procedure, it is not necessarily the fault of an individual teacher?

In sociological terms, compulsory school is an instrument of social control! One of the reasons for compulsory education in the 19th century was to get all the “urchins and ragamuffins” off the streets …from committing crime, etc.!!! The rich did not want them “redistributing the wealth”!!! Not much changed, then!!! (-:

PS what are you fighting back about?(-:
Fight Back. If true, who put the legislation in place? … Career politicians trying to crack a nut of "School Abstainers" with a sledgehammer!! Probably, it was to try and get parents who do not care much about their children's education to put them in school. Thus, the usual law of: unintended outcomes where decent parents want to take their kids out for genuine reasons. For poorer families, it may be the only way they can afford a holiday - off season! I would also say that age ought to be a factor. Would it matter TOOOOO much if an Infant school kid was out for a week or two? Anyway, if the Head starts the action, would it not have to go to Court? Whatever the procedure, it is not necessarily the fault of an individual teacher? In sociological terms, compulsory school is an instrument of social control! One of the reasons for compulsory education in the 19th century was to get all the “urchins and ragamuffins” off the streets …from committing crime, etc.!!! The rich did not want them “redistributing the wealth”!!! Not much changed, then!!! (-: PS what are you fighting back about?(-: old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 4

3:50pm Fri 21 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!! old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 8

3:54pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

old grassroots geezer wrote:
Fight Back. If true, who put the legislation in place? … Career politicians trying to crack a nut of "School Abstainers" with a sledgehammer!! Probably, it was to try and get parents who do not care much about their children's education to put them in school. Thus, the usual law of: unintended outcomes where decent parents want to take their kids out for genuine reasons. For poorer families, it may be the only way they can afford a holiday - off season! I would also say that age ought to be a factor. Would it matter TOOOOO much if an Infant school kid was out for a week or two? Anyway, if the Head starts the action, would it not have to go to Court? Whatever the procedure, it is not necessarily the fault of an individual teacher?

In sociological terms, compulsory school is an instrument of social control! One of the reasons for compulsory education in the 19th century was to get all the “urchins and ragamuffins” off the streets …from committing crime, etc.!!! The rich did not want them “redistributing the wealth”!!! Not much changed, then!!! (-:

PS what are you fighting back about?(-:
No, it doesn't have to go to court unless the parent refuses to pay what is demanded by the Head Teacher. It really is the Head that has the decision to impose the "fine" or not. That Head is an individual teacher.

I agree with you that the affect of taking a child out can depend upon where they are in the educational system but it is the hypocrisy of it all that gets me. You never hear the teachers complaining when they get to go on a fully funded trip - ski-ing, to New York, to mainland Europe - all in term time. Yet when a parent wants to take their child out of school to travel they are considered the devil incarnate.

As for what I'm fighting back against ?

> Against the corruption and hypocrisy of government, council and the public sector
> Against the idiots that think because there is a law or a rule you HAVE to obey it without question
> Against the wastefulness of LA's while they demand ever more money from the poor old taxpayer
> Against the idea that just because someone claims benefits that they are a scrounger
> Against Unions you think because you cross a picket line you are scum

I could go on but won't !
[quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Fight Back. If true, who put the legislation in place? … Career politicians trying to crack a nut of "School Abstainers" with a sledgehammer!! Probably, it was to try and get parents who do not care much about their children's education to put them in school. Thus, the usual law of: unintended outcomes where decent parents want to take their kids out for genuine reasons. For poorer families, it may be the only way they can afford a holiday - off season! I would also say that age ought to be a factor. Would it matter TOOOOO much if an Infant school kid was out for a week or two? Anyway, if the Head starts the action, would it not have to go to Court? Whatever the procedure, it is not necessarily the fault of an individual teacher? In sociological terms, compulsory school is an instrument of social control! One of the reasons for compulsory education in the 19th century was to get all the “urchins and ragamuffins” off the streets …from committing crime, etc.!!! The rich did not want them “redistributing the wealth”!!! Not much changed, then!!! (-: PS what are you fighting back about?(-:[/p][/quote]No, it doesn't have to go to court unless the parent refuses to pay what is demanded by the Head Teacher. It really is the Head that has the decision to impose the "fine" or not. That Head is an individual teacher. I agree with you that the affect of taking a child out can depend upon where they are in the educational system but it is the hypocrisy of it all that gets me. You never hear the teachers complaining when they get to go on a fully funded trip - ski-ing, to New York, to mainland Europe - all in term time. Yet when a parent wants to take their child out of school to travel they are considered the devil incarnate. As for what I'm fighting back against ? > Against the corruption and hypocrisy of government, council and the public sector > Against the idiots that think because there is a law or a rule you HAVE to obey it without question > Against the wastefulness of LA's while they demand ever more money from the poor old taxpayer > Against the idea that just because someone claims benefits that they are a scrounger > Against Unions you think because you cross a picket line you are scum I could go on but won't ! Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

4:01pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
I would start by removing as much paperwork and administration from teachers as possible and handing it to administrators. Let the teachers teach. I would then remove the power of Heads to issue fines ( fines should only be for criminal offenses and issued only by courts ).

Schools need two "Heads" - one to administer the teaching and one to administer the business side such as finance. The current Heads are responsible for both despite the fact most have never worked outside the education environment.

I would ensure schools couldn't keep asking for money for basic services such as art materials, cooking ingredients and the vile "school fund".

OFSTED visits would be unannounced.

Any changes to school policy such as uniform, holidays and hours would requires the Head to consult all pupils and parents and gain a 51% majority agreement from BOTH groups.

And that's just the start ...........
[quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]I would start by removing as much paperwork and administration from teachers as possible and handing it to administrators. Let the teachers teach. I would then remove the power of Heads to issue fines ( fines should only be for criminal offenses and issued only by courts ). Schools need two "Heads" - one to administer the teaching and one to administer the business side such as finance. The current Heads are responsible for both despite the fact most have never worked outside the education environment. I would ensure schools couldn't keep asking for money for basic services such as art materials, cooking ingredients and the vile "school fund". OFSTED visits would be unannounced. Any changes to school policy such as uniform, holidays and hours would requires the Head to consult all pupils and parents and gain a 51% majority agreement from BOTH groups. And that's just the start ........... Fight_Back
  • Score: 8

4:29pm Fri 21 Mar 14

sabbat36 says...

old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
[quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike. sabbat36
  • Score: -5

4:43pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Andy R says...

Hove Actually wrote:
The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy

REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat.

If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...
So become a teacher then! After all...if it's such a life of Riley...why wouldn't you?
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat. If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...[/p][/quote]So become a teacher then! After all...if it's such a life of Riley...why wouldn't you? Andy R
  • Score: 4

5:30pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Johnny F says...

These articles always make me laugh because they turn into an argument about holiday fines.

The rules are fairly clear, if you don't want to pay, don't tale your child out of school. If you are desperate to go on holiday to save money, pay the fine. There are exceptions made but because it's cheap isn't a reason.
These articles always make me laugh because they turn into an argument about holiday fines. The rules are fairly clear, if you don't want to pay, don't tale your child out of school. If you are desperate to go on holiday to save money, pay the fine. There are exceptions made but because it's cheap isn't a reason. Johnny F
  • Score: 5

5:35pm Fri 21 Mar 14

angrymonkey says...

good on them nice to see some people standing up to the Gov . bet lots will moan as only think of self and if they are ok.
good on them nice to see some people standing up to the Gov . bet lots will moan as only think of self and if they are ok. angrymonkey
  • Score: 8

5:51pm Fri 21 Mar 14

whatone says...

It's always funny seeing those posting on here moaning about 'how good the teachers get it', and 'in the real world' blah blah.

But lets face it, they are the ones too unwilling/ignorant to stop their conditions being eroded and are just venting their frustrations in the form of envy.

If they had listened to their teachers they would understand that it is better to push upwards rather than accept a race to the bottom.

And guess what - the ruling elite are p1ssing themselves laughing at how they can keep 'divide and rule' going on and on!
It's always funny seeing those posting on here moaning about 'how good the teachers get it', and 'in the real world' blah blah. But lets face it, they are the ones too unwilling/ignorant to stop their conditions being eroded and are just venting their frustrations in the form of envy. If they had listened to their teachers they would understand that it is better to push upwards rather than accept a race to the bottom. And guess what - the ruling elite are p1ssing themselves laughing at how they can keep 'divide and rule' going on and on! whatone
  • Score: 9

6:02pm Fri 21 Mar 14

xlaughingx says...

I can't believe people think teachers get paid when they are on strike. THEY ALL LOSE A DAYS PAY - it's sacrificed to make the point that this situation cannot go on. No-one can afford to give this up but it seems to be the only way to get the Government to listen.
I can't believe people think teachers get paid when they are on strike. THEY ALL LOSE A DAYS PAY - it's sacrificed to make the point that this situation cannot go on. No-one can afford to give this up but it seems to be the only way to get the Government to listen. xlaughingx
  • Score: 13

6:15pm Fri 21 Mar 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

There would be no need to strike if parents, teachers and politicians hadn't produced so many morons. The x-box/iPad generation are going to look quite daft attempting to subsistence farm Haribo and super noodles.
Investment in engineering about 10 years ago was our last chance. Teachers and other clowns just kept indulging kids and each other with soft subjects so the next lot of science grads are being taught to save the planet by effectively burping their times-tables in different languages at 'bilingual' schools. Tragic.
There would be no need to strike if parents, teachers and politicians hadn't produced so many morons. The x-box/iPad generation are going to look quite daft attempting to subsistence farm Haribo and super noodles. Investment in engineering about 10 years ago was our last chance. Teachers and other clowns just kept indulging kids and each other with soft subjects so the next lot of science grads are being taught to save the planet by effectively burping their times-tables in different languages at 'bilingual' schools. Tragic. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: -4

6:22pm Fri 21 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

Sabbat36 wrote: The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike, whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.

Nothing is “simple”!! Privatisation of education is causing immense damage, already! Why do you think teachers are striking?!! I know someone who works in a Brighton, private college. What was once a nice friendly workplace has been turned into a miserable place to work by a classic Control Freak Management, only interested in profit. The teachers are rushing to join a trade union!!! Teachers RARELY strike, as do many in the Public Sector. Privatisation through outsourcing etc. has meant loss of workers’ rights, poor ward cleaning, very low wages, care home scandals, etc, etc. The alleged fraud in G4S is the tip of an iceberg. Academies, promoted by Gove, are being run by companies whose executives give themselves huge salaries and more and more fraud is emerging. Teachers pay and conditions are being eroded away. Many teachers ARE leaving the profession. I hope that it is not your kids who suffer when they cannot find a teacher to teach them! Perhaps, as Gove advocates, you might get an untrained teacher who has had a poor education and is a labourer.

Perhaps you are lucky in your work, but you need to look more deeply into what trade unionism is about. Perhaps you have a good workplace because of Unite? The Private Sector is about profit, not people! Dare I mention the privatised utilities (under Thatcherism) which are private monopolies and ripping us all off??!!!
Sabbat36 wrote: The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike, whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike. Nothing is “simple”!! Privatisation of education is causing immense damage, already! Why do you think teachers are striking?!! I know someone who works in a Brighton, private college. What was once a nice friendly workplace has been turned into a miserable place to work by a classic Control Freak Management, only interested in profit. The teachers are rushing to join a trade union!!! Teachers RARELY strike, as do many in the Public Sector. Privatisation through outsourcing etc. has meant loss of workers’ rights, poor ward cleaning, very low wages, care home scandals, etc, etc. The alleged fraud in G4S is the tip of an iceberg. Academies, promoted by Gove, are being run by companies whose executives give themselves huge salaries and more and more fraud is emerging. Teachers pay and conditions are being eroded away. Many teachers ARE leaving the profession. I hope that it is not your kids who suffer when they cannot find a teacher to teach them! Perhaps, as Gove advocates, you might get an untrained teacher who has had a poor education and is a labourer. Perhaps you are lucky in your work, but you need to look more deeply into what trade unionism is about. Perhaps you have a good workplace because of Unite? The Private Sector is about profit, not people! Dare I mention the privatised utilities (under Thatcherism) which are private monopolies and ripping us all off??!!! old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 9

6:40pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Andy R says...

sabbat36 wrote:
old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
You do know what "Unite" is, right??
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.[/p][/quote]You do know what "Unite" is, right?? Andy R
  • Score: 5

7:16pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Sir Prised says...

Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
If you seriously think that you can continue to work for forty years and then draw a pension for a further 30 > 40, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo land ! People used to work for close on 50 years and draw a pension for about 10. There simply isn't sufficient money to keep teachers in the luxury to which they've become accustomeed I'm afraid. You'll simply have to sell your second home in France ! What, you haven't got one? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]If you seriously think that you can continue to work for forty years and then draw a pension for a further 30 > 40, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo land ! People used to work for close on 50 years and draw a pension for about 10. There simply isn't sufficient money to keep teachers in the luxury to which they've become accustomeed I'm afraid. You'll simply have to sell your second home in France ! What, you haven't got one? ;-) Sir Prised
  • Score: -3

7:49pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Sussex jim says...

Sir Prised wrote:
Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
If you seriously think that you can continue to work for forty years and then draw a pension for a further 30 > 40, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo land ! People used to work for close on 50 years and draw a pension for about 10. There simply isn't sufficient money to keep teachers in the luxury to which they've become accustomeed I'm afraid. You'll simply have to sell your second home in France ! What, you haven't got one? ;-)
I saw this pension problem looming years ago, with expectations of people living longer. The current theme of expecting people to work a few years longer does not work in practice. Just try getting a job if you are "let go" in your early sixties ;or even late fifties. Ten years on the farce of "jobseeking" until age of 67 or 68, when you will get your state pension.
Even those in those featherbedded local authority posts, no longer forced out when 60, who think they can look forward to a gold-plated index-linked pension for life, will be in for a rude shock in a few years. Despite contractual arrangements, HM Government will be unable to pay.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]If you seriously think that you can continue to work for forty years and then draw a pension for a further 30 > 40, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo land ! People used to work for close on 50 years and draw a pension for about 10. There simply isn't sufficient money to keep teachers in the luxury to which they've become accustomeed I'm afraid. You'll simply have to sell your second home in France ! What, you haven't got one? ;-)[/p][/quote]I saw this pension problem looming years ago, with expectations of people living longer. The current theme of expecting people to work a few years longer does not work in practice. Just try getting a job if you are "let go" in your early sixties ;or even late fifties. Ten years on the farce of "jobseeking" until age of 67 or 68, when you will get your state pension. Even those in those featherbedded local authority posts, no longer forced out when 60, who think they can look forward to a gold-plated index-linked pension for life, will be in for a rude shock in a few years. Despite contractual arrangements, HM Government will be unable to pay. Sussex jim
  • Score: 3

8:26pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Steff40 says...

I am a teacher who refuses to strike because the children come first. However, as most of my colleagues are striking my school has had to close. It is a shame that we are all being tarred by the same brush.
I am a teacher who refuses to strike because the children come first. However, as most of my colleagues are striking my school has had to close. It is a shame that we are all being tarred by the same brush. Steff40
  • Score: -3

8:28pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Steff40 says...

Clearly I meant tarred WITH the same brush and I missed a comma but I am frustrated and furious at the actions being taken.
Clearly I meant tarred WITH the same brush and I missed a comma but I am frustrated and furious at the actions being taken. Steff40
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Fri 21 Mar 14

whatone says...

Steff40 wrote:
Clearly I meant tarred WITH the same brush and I missed a comma but I am frustrated and furious at the actions being taken.
Let us hope you don't teach English then!
[quote][p][bold]Steff40[/bold] wrote: Clearly I meant tarred WITH the same brush and I missed a comma but I am frustrated and furious at the actions being taken.[/p][/quote]Let us hope you don't teach English then! whatone
  • Score: 4

10:57pm Fri 21 Mar 14

FatherTed11 says...

Lazy **** teachers. Won't someone think of the children?
Lazy **** teachers. Won't someone think of the children? FatherTed11
  • Score: -10

11:13pm Fri 21 Mar 14

woodie49 says...

Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
Really, so do a lot of other people work long hours for no extra pay and take work home with them, stop moaning and get on with it. You chose your profession, and knew what sort of conditions it would entail. did you not think that you would be working with 30+ children, and dealing with their behaviour.
Exams and marking are all part of school life.
[quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]Really, so do a lot of other people work long hours for no extra pay and take work home with them, stop moaning and get on with it. You chose your profession, and knew what sort of conditions it would entail. did you not think that you would be working with 30+ children, and dealing with their behaviour. Exams and marking are all part of school life. woodie49
  • Score: -4

11:16pm Fri 21 Mar 14

woodie49 says...

angrymonkey wrote:
good on them nice to see some people standing up to the Gov . bet lots will moan as only think of self and if they are ok.
And I wonder where you were taught.
[quote][p][bold]angrymonkey[/bold] wrote: good on them nice to see some people standing up to the Gov . bet lots will moan as only think of self and if they are ok.[/p][/quote]And I wonder where you were taught. woodie49
  • Score: 1

6:38am Sat 22 Mar 14

sabbat36 says...

old grassroots geezer wrote:
Sabbat36 wrote: The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike, whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.

Nothing is “simple”!! Privatisation of education is causing immense damage, already! Why do you think teachers are striking?!! I know someone who works in a Brighton, private college. What was once a nice friendly workplace has been turned into a miserable place to work by a classic Control Freak Management, only interested in profit. The teachers are rushing to join a trade union!!! Teachers RARELY strike, as do many in the Public Sector. Privatisation through outsourcing etc. has meant loss of workers’ rights, poor ward cleaning, very low wages, care home scandals, etc, etc. The alleged fraud in G4S is the tip of an iceberg. Academies, promoted by Gove, are being run by companies whose executives give themselves huge salaries and more and more fraud is emerging. Teachers pay and conditions are being eroded away. Many teachers ARE leaving the profession. I hope that it is not your kids who suffer when they cannot find a teacher to teach them! Perhaps, as Gove advocates, you might get an untrained teacher who has had a poor education and is a labourer.

Perhaps you are lucky in your work, but you need to look more deeply into what trade unionism is about. Perhaps you have a good workplace because of Unite? The Private Sector is about profit, not people! Dare I mention the privatised utilities (under Thatcherism) which are private monopolies and ripping us all off??!!!
yes i do have a good work place because of unite. And the private company i work for.
Teachers strike against everything for as long as i have been alive.

They are either professional victims or correct in striking for 40 years.

Victim-hood i reckon. Know.

No sympathy.
[quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Sabbat36 wrote: The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike, whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike. Nothing is “simple”!! Privatisation of education is causing immense damage, already! Why do you think teachers are striking?!! I know someone who works in a Brighton, private college. What was once a nice friendly workplace has been turned into a miserable place to work by a classic Control Freak Management, only interested in profit. The teachers are rushing to join a trade union!!! Teachers RARELY strike, as do many in the Public Sector. Privatisation through outsourcing etc. has meant loss of workers’ rights, poor ward cleaning, very low wages, care home scandals, etc, etc. The alleged fraud in G4S is the tip of an iceberg. Academies, promoted by Gove, are being run by companies whose executives give themselves huge salaries and more and more fraud is emerging. Teachers pay and conditions are being eroded away. Many teachers ARE leaving the profession. I hope that it is not your kids who suffer when they cannot find a teacher to teach them! Perhaps, as Gove advocates, you might get an untrained teacher who has had a poor education and is a labourer. Perhaps you are lucky in your work, but you need to look more deeply into what trade unionism is about. Perhaps you have a good workplace because of Unite? The Private Sector is about profit, not people! Dare I mention the privatised utilities (under Thatcherism) which are private monopolies and ripping us all off??!!![/p][/quote]yes i do have a good work place because of unite. And the private company i work for. Teachers strike against everything for as long as i have been alive. They are either professional victims or correct in striking for 40 years. Victim-hood i reckon. Know. No sympathy. sabbat36
  • Score: -4

7:12am Sat 22 Mar 14

Sir Prised says...

Sussex jim wrote:
Sir Prised wrote:
Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
If you seriously think that you can continue to work for forty years and then draw a pension for a further 30 > 40, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo land ! People used to work for close on 50 years and draw a pension for about 10. There simply isn't sufficient money to keep teachers in the luxury to which they've become accustomeed I'm afraid. You'll simply have to sell your second home in France ! What, you haven't got one? ;-)
I saw this pension problem looming years ago, with expectations of people living longer. The current theme of expecting people to work a few years longer does not work in practice. Just try getting a job if you are "let go" in your early sixties ;or even late fifties. Ten years on the farce of "jobseeking" until age of 67 or 68, when you will get your state pension.
Even those in those featherbedded local authority posts, no longer forced out when 60, who think they can look forward to a gold-plated index-linked pension for life, will be in for a rude shock in a few years. Despite contractual arrangements, HM Government will be unable to pay.
You're right of course. You can't actually criticise people for not working if there aren't any reasonably paying jobs available. It's where the jolly-old capitalist model breaks down. Society requires a balance between the two extremes but sadly we're not quite as intelligent as we think we are and can't manage to steer that essential middle course. We simply stagger from one financial disaster to the next.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Prised[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]If you seriously think that you can continue to work for forty years and then draw a pension for a further 30 > 40, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo land ! People used to work for close on 50 years and draw a pension for about 10. There simply isn't sufficient money to keep teachers in the luxury to which they've become accustomeed I'm afraid. You'll simply have to sell your second home in France ! What, you haven't got one? ;-)[/p][/quote]I saw this pension problem looming years ago, with expectations of people living longer. The current theme of expecting people to work a few years longer does not work in practice. Just try getting a job if you are "let go" in your early sixties ;or even late fifties. Ten years on the farce of "jobseeking" until age of 67 or 68, when you will get your state pension. Even those in those featherbedded local authority posts, no longer forced out when 60, who think they can look forward to a gold-plated index-linked pension for life, will be in for a rude shock in a few years. Despite contractual arrangements, HM Government will be unable to pay.[/p][/quote]You're right of course. You can't actually criticise people for not working if there aren't any reasonably paying jobs available. It's where the jolly-old capitalist model breaks down. Society requires a balance between the two extremes but sadly we're not quite as intelligent as we think we are and can't manage to steer that essential middle course. We simply stagger from one financial disaster to the next. Sir Prised
  • Score: 5

8:42am Sat 22 Mar 14

davyboy says...

As the schools fine parents for taking their kids out of school for holidays, maybe we should all send the schools a bill for the time we have to take off work for this strike action.
As the schools fine parents for taking their kids out of school for holidays, maybe we should all send the schools a bill for the time we have to take off work for this strike action. davyboy
  • Score: -4

9:23am Sat 22 Mar 14

alyn, southwick says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
I don't necessarily agree that your pay and conditions are that bad but you do indeed have the right to strike.

BUT ......

At least have the decency to give more than a weeks notice so child care can be arranged. Also, stop asking parents for more and more money EVERY week for activities that should be covered by the school budget.

Stop changing the uniform rules thus cost parents yet more money ( and at the moment that is aimed SQUARELY at Blatchington Mill ! ).

Finally, stop the expensive foreign trips that only well off parents can afford. Those of us that can't afford them then feel guilty our children get left in lessons while these trips take place. Yet when WE want to take our children abroad during term time WE get fined.

The schools, teachers and education system in this country at present needs overhauling top to bottom.
It's not the teachers asking for extra money or changing uniform.
It's headteachers, governors, and/or government.
I'm not saying which side I support, but if we condemn it needs to be for the right things.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]I don't necessarily agree that your pay and conditions are that bad but you do indeed have the right to strike. BUT ...... At least have the decency to give more than a weeks notice so child care can be arranged. Also, stop asking parents for more and more money EVERY week for activities that should be covered by the school budget. Stop changing the uniform rules thus cost parents yet more money ( and at the moment that is aimed SQUARELY at Blatchington Mill ! ). Finally, stop the expensive foreign trips that only well off parents can afford. Those of us that can't afford them then feel guilty our children get left in lessons while these trips take place. Yet when WE want to take our children abroad during term time WE get fined. The schools, teachers and education system in this country at present needs overhauling top to bottom.[/p][/quote]It's not the teachers asking for extra money or changing uniform. It's headteachers, governors, and/or government. I'm not saying which side I support, but if we condemn it needs to be for the right things. alyn, southwick
  • Score: 4

9:33am Sat 22 Mar 14

Steff40 says...

whatone wrote:
Steff40 wrote:
Clearly I meant tarred WITH the same brush and I missed a comma but I am frustrated and furious at the actions being taken.
Let us hope you don't teach English then!
I think it is common to spot one's mistakes and correct them. I should apologise for being a teacher of anything then? I refuse to strike and still get slated. I think that goes to show that teachers are disrespected, whatever they do.
[quote][p][bold]whatone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steff40[/bold] wrote: Clearly I meant tarred WITH the same brush and I missed a comma but I am frustrated and furious at the actions being taken.[/p][/quote]Let us hope you don't teach English then![/p][/quote]I think it is common to spot one's mistakes and correct them. I should apologise for being a teacher of anything then? I refuse to strike and still get slated. I think that goes to show that teachers are disrespected, whatever they do. Steff40
  • Score: 3

5:47pm Sat 22 Mar 14

sabbat36 says...

Andy R wrote:
sabbat36 wrote:
old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
You do know what "Unite" is, right??
yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years.

It does not mean that i remove the ability to think.

I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children.


I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.[/p][/quote]You do know what "Unite" is, right??[/p][/quote]yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years. It does not mean that i remove the ability to think. I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children. I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker. sabbat36
  • Score: -3

7:08pm Sat 22 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

sabbat36 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
sabbat36 wrote:
old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
You do know what "Unite" is, right??
yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years.

It does not mean that i remove the ability to think.

I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children.


I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.
Constantly on strike year in year out." Utterly untrue. Teachers have, relatively, rarely struck over the last decade or two. It takes two to cause a strike and the belligerence of Gove is the catalyst.

What I find so frustrating, with all these negative comments, is that you have a government which has an ideological privatisation agenda (and to save money) so that they can give tax cuts to their rich mates. You do not seem to understand that YOUR education system is being systematically destroyed! whatone said, above, is bang on: “And guess what - the ruling elite are p1ssing themselves laughing at how they can keep 'divide and rule' going on and on!”

Morale in teaching is terribly low and it affects teaching standards. Yet, you pick away at trivial points that really have nothing to do with the Big Picture (e.g. spelling or grammatical mistakes). I think that some of you have had bad experiences with some teachers and that affects your attitudes. I am sorry that you found “teachers boring,” for example, but that’s the luck of the draw; or perhaps YOU were partly to blame? Or is it envy or resentment of someone in authority and/or social status?

I used to run a teacher training course for adults (21 to 60+) and it was often said: “It was the best course I have ever done!” – sometimes, years later!
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.[/p][/quote]You do know what "Unite" is, right??[/p][/quote]yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years. It does not mean that i remove the ability to think. I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children. I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.[/p][/quote]Constantly on strike year in year out." Utterly untrue. Teachers have, relatively, rarely struck over the last decade or two. It takes two to cause a strike and the belligerence of Gove is the catalyst. What I find so frustrating, with all these negative comments, is that you have a government which has an ideological privatisation agenda (and to save money) so that they can give tax cuts to their rich mates. You do not seem to understand that YOUR education system is being systematically destroyed! whatone said, above, is bang on: “And guess what - the ruling elite are p1ssing themselves laughing at how they can keep 'divide and rule' going on and on!” Morale in teaching is terribly low and it affects teaching standards. Yet, you pick away at trivial points that really have nothing to do with the Big Picture (e.g. spelling or grammatical mistakes). I think that some of you have had bad experiences with some teachers and that affects your attitudes. I am sorry that you found “teachers boring,” for example, but that’s the luck of the draw; or perhaps YOU were partly to blame? Or is it envy or resentment of someone in authority and/or social status? I used to run a teacher training course for adults (21 to 60+) and it was often said: “It was the best course I have ever done!” – sometimes, years later! old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 6

7:33pm Sat 22 Mar 14

old grassroots geezer says...

ps off now to please my girlfriend and other women on the Modern Jive (Ceroc) dance floor - to keep my sanity!! Believe it or not, there's pleasure in giving pleasure !!! (-: (-:

Good night!
ps off now to please my girlfriend and other women on the Modern Jive (Ceroc) dance floor - to keep my sanity!! Believe it or not, there's pleasure in giving pleasure !!! (-: (-: Good night! old grassroots geezer
  • Score: 1

11:45am Mon 24 Mar 14

indiequeen says...

Fight_Back wrote:
"The negative details about fining for taking kids out" - actually the Head takes the decision as to whether to impose the fine so yes, a teacher does have control over this.
The local authority ie: bhcc decide whether to impose fines, NOT the head
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: "The negative details about fining for taking kids out" - actually the Head takes the decision as to whether to impose the fine so yes, a teacher does have control over this.[/p][/quote]The local authority ie: bhcc decide whether to impose fines, NOT the head indiequeen
  • Score: 0

4:33pm Mon 24 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

sabbat36 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
sabbat36 wrote:
old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
You do know what "Unite" is, right??
yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years.

It does not mean that i remove the ability to think.

I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children.


I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.
Hmm - sounds like you didn't pay much attention to your teachers when you were at school. Constantly on strike? If teachers were constantly on strike, it wouldn't be in the news because schools would be shut permanently.
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.[/p][/quote]You do know what "Unite" is, right??[/p][/quote]yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years. It does not mean that i remove the ability to think. I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children. I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.[/p][/quote]Hmm - sounds like you didn't pay much attention to your teachers when you were at school. Constantly on strike? If teachers were constantly on strike, it wouldn't be in the news because schools would be shut permanently. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 1

8:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DCCCCCC says...

Hove Actually wrote:
The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy

REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat.

If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...
You have not got a clue. I am sitting next to my husband as I write who is a teacher. He is still preparing his lessons for tomorrow and it's almost 9pm. He started shortly after he arrived home this evening at 6.30pm. He starts work at 7am and finishes at 10pm. Maybe you need to live in the real world. He is soon to have two weeks off and has been told that he has to write schemes of work through this holiday, plus marking, plus preparation for next term. People who do not teach seriously do not have a clue. And by the way, he is so fed up with it he is looking for another job.....in your real world because at least then he will get a bit of a life!
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: The national strike has been called over performance related pay issues, changes to pensions and what the union describes as excessive workload and bureaucracy REALLY...... they want to try living in the real world where people work 10 or 12 hours a day 49 weeks of the year, get fined as they cannot take holidays with their children, have to lose pay because the people who claim to be dedicated stop work at the drop of a hat. If you are so unhappy with your working conditions try another occupation, you will so find out how well off you were...[/p][/quote]You have not got a clue. I am sitting next to my husband as I write who is a teacher. He is still preparing his lessons for tomorrow and it's almost 9pm. He started shortly after he arrived home this evening at 6.30pm. He starts work at 7am and finishes at 10pm. Maybe you need to live in the real world. He is soon to have two weeks off and has been told that he has to write schemes of work through this holiday, plus marking, plus preparation for next term. People who do not teach seriously do not have a clue. And by the way, he is so fed up with it he is looking for another job.....in your real world because at least then he will get a bit of a life! DCCCCCC
  • Score: 6

8:53pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DCCCCCC says...

Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
I agree and I know all of these people who are too quick to criticize, wouldn't last a day!
[quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]I agree and I know all of these people who are too quick to criticize, wouldn't last a day! DCCCCCC
  • Score: 3

8:55pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DCCCCCC says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Ph0enix wrote:
I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.
I don't necessarily agree that your pay and conditions are that bad but you do indeed have the right to strike.

BUT ......

At least have the decency to give more than a weeks notice so child care can be arranged. Also, stop asking parents for more and more money EVERY week for activities that should be covered by the school budget.

Stop changing the uniform rules thus cost parents yet more money ( and at the moment that is aimed SQUARELY at Blatchington Mill ! ).

Finally, stop the expensive foreign trips that only well off parents can afford. Those of us that can't afford them then feel guilty our children get left in lessons while these trips take place. Yet when WE want to take our children abroad during term time WE get fined.

The schools, teachers and education system in this country at present needs overhauling top to bottom.
And you think it's the teachers that make all these decisions? How wrong you are.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ph0enix[/bold] wrote: I am a teacher and have also worked in business for a number of years. I currently work 50+ hours a week and get paid for 38 of those. Any teacher who strikes does not get paid, so it does cost us money. Being told I will have to work until I am 68, being told I have to pay more money into a pension that will now give me less money in return is not acceptable. I chose to be a teacher as I enjoy it. Yes I do get 16 weeks holiday, however this is spent planning lessons, marking work to ensure it meets Ofsted regulations. Those people who say it is easy to teach, need to spend 39 weeks with 30+ children, dealing with behaviour, exams, marking etc.[/p][/quote]I don't necessarily agree that your pay and conditions are that bad but you do indeed have the right to strike. BUT ...... At least have the decency to give more than a weeks notice so child care can be arranged. Also, stop asking parents for more and more money EVERY week for activities that should be covered by the school budget. Stop changing the uniform rules thus cost parents yet more money ( and at the moment that is aimed SQUARELY at Blatchington Mill ! ). Finally, stop the expensive foreign trips that only well off parents can afford. Those of us that can't afford them then feel guilty our children get left in lessons while these trips take place. Yet when WE want to take our children abroad during term time WE get fined. The schools, teachers and education system in this country at present needs overhauling top to bottom.[/p][/quote]And you think it's the teachers that make all these decisions? How wrong you are. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 4

9:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DCCCCCC says...

sabbat36 wrote:
old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
Another one who hasn't got a clue, totally ignorant.
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.[/p][/quote]Another one who hasn't got a clue, totally ignorant. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 2

9:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DCCCCCC says...

FatherTed11 wrote:
Lazy **** teachers. Won't someone think of the children?
Sad sad person.
[quote][p][bold]FatherTed11[/bold] wrote: Lazy **** teachers. Won't someone think of the children?[/p][/quote]Sad sad person. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

DCCCCCC says...

sabbat36 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
sabbat36 wrote:
old grassroots geezer wrote:
Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!!
Im a unite union member working for a private company.

The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything.

And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes.
Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.
You do know what "Unite" is, right??
yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years.

It does not mean that i remove the ability to think.

I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children.


I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.
And a muppet!
[quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sabbat36[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old grassroots geezer[/bold] wrote: Pps Fight Back …..How would you reform education from top to bottom? Are YOU qualified? This is why the Public Sector is so utterly demoralised – constant change instigated by people who know very little about the thing they are reforming. Gove is a case in point!!! Probably, the best Secretary of State for Education was ex-teacher Estelle Morris but the media, led by the Sun, Daily Mail and other Right Wing newspapers, hounded her out!!! If the Right keeps attacking the Public Sector, you will end up with very poor services, then … you will have much more to moan about!!! (-: Just look at the Social Services – underfunded, kicked by the Right Wing Press, understaffed, overloaded with case work, etc. etc. Who would want to be a Social Worker?!!!![/p][/quote]Im a unite union member working for a private company. The teachers and then the council workers, need to be employed by a private company with the results being more work will get done. Simple. Teachers strike,whoever is in power, in other words they are out of touch with everything. And The people of Brighton and Hove will get value for money and no strikes. Also -there are people out there who want teaching jobs who would not strike.[/p][/quote]You do know what "Unite" is, right??[/p][/quote]yes. i have paid my union dues out of my wages for years. It does not mean that i remove the ability to think. I find teachers boring, constantly on strike year in year out and the only people that suffer are parents and children. I'm still a union supporter and a free thinker.[/p][/quote]And a muppet! DCCCCCC
  • Score: 1

Comments are closed on this article.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree