Air pollution killing one in 20 people in Brighton and Hove

Pollution killing one in 20 people

Pollution killing one in 20 people

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One in 20 residents die as a result of air pollution, a report has revealed.

In Brighton and Hove an estimated 115 deaths (5.4%) were the result of pollution in one year.

The percentage was similar in West Sussex with 429 deaths (5%), while East Sussex was slightly lower with 294 deaths (4.8%).


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Campaigners are calling for urgent action after the release of the report from Public Health England.

Keith Taylor, Green Party MEP for South East England, said: “With one in 20 deaths caused by air pollution it is abundantly clear that action is needed.

“Many of our towns and cities need to radically rethink the way they are dealing with air pollution.

“To protect people’s health we need both the Government and local authorities to be bold in tackling air pollution.”

Outlining his proposals he said clean public transport was key along with encouraging more people to walk and cycling rather than drive.

The study, which uses data from 2010, estimates 25,002 people died across the country as a result of air pollution.

The London boroughs of Kensington and Chelsea and Westminster were deemed the highest with 8.3% of deaths.

Councillor Pete West, chairman of Brighton and Hove City Council’s transport and sustainability committee, defended his administration’s work to tackle the problem.

He said: “Inaction simply isn’t an option, especially if we are to avoid massive EU fines for bad air.

“We recently agreed a Low Emissions Zone with Brighton and Hove Buses, and are working on a separate agreement with the taxi trade to reduce pollution.

“Also, helping people switch from private cars to public transport, cycling and walking also takes polluting vehicles off our streets.

“We’ve supported more reliable bus services with new bus lanes on the Lewes Road and Edward Street and have introduced safer cycling facilities such as dedicated cycle lanes on the Old Shoreham Road and the Lewes Road.”

As a result, he added, 44 of the 46 monitoring stations in the city had seen an improvement in air quality.

Duncan Blinkhorn, cycling campaigner, said that while the figures are concerning, the city was moving in the right direction.

He said: “It has been a problem for many years and I’m glad the current administration is now taking this seriously.”

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11:47am Fri 11 Apr 14

Joshiman says...

Sorting out the traffic lights from engineered stop start system to a more free flowing one.It is so simple.Also sort out the gridlocked ridiculous traffic system in the following junctions:
Blatchington Rd/Sackville Rd
New England Street/railway arches
A259 Marina to Rottingdean/Peacehav
en
Regency Square seafront traffic lights.
Brighton Pier pedestrian traffic lights.Red as soon as button is pressed.Time it!
London Rd out of Brighton
These are just a few pretty simple measures.
Sorting out the traffic lights from engineered stop start system to a more free flowing one.It is so simple.Also sort out the gridlocked ridiculous traffic system in the following junctions: Blatchington Rd/Sackville Rd New England Street/railway arches A259 Marina to Rottingdean/Peacehav en Regency Square seafront traffic lights. Brighton Pier pedestrian traffic lights.Red as soon as button is pressed.Time it! London Rd out of Brighton These are just a few pretty simple measures. Joshiman
  • Score: 29

11:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Brighton's air isn't polluted, Absolute Rubbish, who makes this stuff up, ?
Brighton's air isn't polluted, Absolute Rubbish, who makes this stuff up, ? ARMANA
  • Score: -5

12:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Matter of opinion! Stand at the Old Steine or similar when fleets of buses arrive!!
Matter of opinion! Stand at the Old Steine or similar when fleets of buses arrive!! Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: 9

12:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

rolivan says...

There is always gong to be a roblem with ollution in certain areas of Brighton given the layout between 2 valleys.You only have to look at buildings to see the effect from traffic pollution the air has nowhere to escape.This is why Brighton needs a Tram System in these areas.O so the electricity has to be produced but usuall far away from inhabited areas.As for the Statitistics they are only an estimate.I would be inclined to look at the website for deaths in england wich gives the real Picture.Why is it that the Council can aly for funding for Cycle Lanes and not a Tram system instead of fuelling the coffers of Brighton and Hove Bus Company?
There is always gong to be a roblem with ollution in certain areas of Brighton given the layout between 2 valleys.You only have to look at buildings to see the effect from traffic pollution the air has nowhere to escape.This is why Brighton needs a Tram System in these areas.O so the electricity has to be produced but usuall far away from inhabited areas.As for the Statitistics they are only an estimate.I would be inclined to look at the website for deaths in england wich gives the real Picture.Why is it that the Council can aly for funding for Cycle Lanes and not a Tram system instead of fuelling the coffers of Brighton and Hove Bus Company? rolivan
  • Score: 7

12:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

billy goat-gruff says...

As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...
As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara... billy goat-gruff
  • Score: -23

12:34pm Fri 11 Apr 14

tykemison says...

Is Pete west deluded? Its because of the idiotic traffic measures implemented and corrupt favouritism regarding the polluting buses which has greatly contributed to the air pollution and as for his"dedicated cycle lane"in old shoreham road. .......what a pillock.
Is Pete west deluded? Its because of the idiotic traffic measures implemented and corrupt favouritism regarding the polluting buses which has greatly contributed to the air pollution and as for his"dedicated cycle lane"in old shoreham road. .......what a pillock. tykemison
  • Score: 25

12:41pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...
True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead hands" mentality.
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...[/p][/quote]True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead hands" mentality. Gribbet
  • Score: -17

12:48pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

tykemison wrote:
Is Pete west deluded? Its because of the idiotic traffic measures implemented and corrupt favouritism regarding the polluting buses which has greatly contributed to the air pollution and as for his"dedicated cycle lane"in old shoreham road. .......what a pillock.
Yes, wasn't it nice before the new traffic measures were implemented when there wasn't any air pollution and our city air was pure and nobody's health was affected because pollution didn't exist until a couple of years ago.
[quote][p][bold]tykemison[/bold] wrote: Is Pete west deluded? Its because of the idiotic traffic measures implemented and corrupt favouritism regarding the polluting buses which has greatly contributed to the air pollution and as for his"dedicated cycle lane"in old shoreham road. .......what a pillock.[/p][/quote]Yes, wasn't it nice before the new traffic measures were implemented when there wasn't any air pollution and our city air was pure and nobody's health was affected because pollution didn't exist until a couple of years ago. Gribbet
  • Score: -9

1:02pm Fri 11 Apr 14

tykemison says...

I am not saying there was no issues before regarding pollution but any sane person would have to concede that the farcical corrupt favouritism in regard to the bus lanes and 20mph speed limit has only made the situation worse, stand outside hanningtons for a duration of time where all the worlds buses seem to congregate and if your still with us tell us your opinions then!!
I am not saying there was no issues before regarding pollution but any sane person would have to concede that the farcical corrupt favouritism in regard to the bus lanes and 20mph speed limit has only made the situation worse, stand outside hanningtons for a duration of time where all the worlds buses seem to congregate and if your still with us tell us your opinions then!! tykemison
  • Score: 13

1:02pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Itakeyourgoods says...

What do you expect when you have a 20MPH limit in the city making 33% of the excisting traffic take longer to make a journey than it did before. This number will only rise in the future.
What do you expect when you have a 20MPH limit in the city making 33% of the excisting traffic take longer to make a journey than it did before. This number will only rise in the future. Itakeyourgoods
  • Score: 12

1:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

downbythesea says...

Utter c0bblers sensationalism from The Argus!

Really, "killing 1 in 20 people in Brighton" ?

What you should actually report, as reported in quality newspapers not this dreadful rag,

"Air pollution is never the single cause of death, rather it is a factor which can exacerbate underlying health problems, including respiratory illnesses like asthma or COPD, as well as cardiovascular conditions."

And given that ONLY 29,000 people across the WHOLE of the UK die with pollution as a contributory factor to UNDERLYING illnesses, from sources as diverse as HEAVY INDUSTRY, HOME ENRGY USE, AND TRANSPORT (not just cars as the Green muppets keep bleating on about!).

Really shoddy reporting from this paper, not that I am at all surprised, or the b.s. comments from the Greens.

Yes pollution is a problem, and a lot of it being caused by heavy particulates from Lorries and Public Transport (BUSES / COACHES), not simply cars which is you might have noticed are progressively becoming much less polluting (EURO V), so much so that some are emissions tax exempt!

The facts which this paper and the Greens ignore are that cars under latest EURO 5 / EURO 6 regulations only emit a maximum of 18% of the CO that they did in 1993, and only 23% of the HC+NOX they did in 1993.

Cars are MUCH MUCH LESS POLLUTING now, and are progressively getting less so under EU regulations.

But the Greens don't want you to know that, it seems to me most pollution comes from Lorries and BUSES! Look at the figures, if a bus or Lorry is older than 2005, they produce a shed load of pollution!
Utter c0bblers sensationalism from The Argus! Really, "killing 1 in 20 people in Brighton" ? What you should actually report, as reported in quality newspapers not this dreadful rag, "Air pollution is never the single cause of death, rather it is a factor which can exacerbate underlying health problems, including respiratory illnesses like asthma or COPD, as well as cardiovascular conditions." And given that ONLY 29,000 people across the WHOLE of the UK die with pollution as a contributory factor to UNDERLYING illnesses, from sources as diverse as HEAVY INDUSTRY, HOME ENRGY USE, AND TRANSPORT (not just cars as the Green muppets keep bleating on about!). Really shoddy reporting from this paper, not that I am at all surprised, or the b.s. comments from the Greens. Yes pollution is a problem, and a lot of it being caused by heavy particulates from Lorries and Public Transport (BUSES / COACHES), not simply cars which is you might have noticed are progressively becoming much less polluting (EURO V), so much so that some are emissions tax exempt! The facts which this paper and the Greens ignore are that cars under latest EURO 5 / EURO 6 regulations only emit a maximum of 18% of the CO that they did in 1993, and only 23% of the HC+NOX they did in 1993. Cars are MUCH MUCH LESS POLLUTING now, and are progressively getting less so under EU regulations. But the Greens don't want you to know that, it seems to me most pollution comes from Lorries and BUSES! Look at the figures, if a bus or Lorry is older than 2005, they produce a shed load of pollution! downbythesea
  • Score: 22

1:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pachallis says...

Good to see the small-minded anti-car bigots have come up with their 'petrol head' insults as usual.

However, before immediately blaming private transport, wouldn't it be useful to get some facts to identify causes and options?

How did Public Health England determine a death was caused by pollution (or is it a statistical estimate of what might be)?
Is it related to particular age groups?
Everyone does die - how much did the pollution actually bring forward the age of death (i.e.premature deaths)?
Where in the city did these deaths occur (is there a focal point)?
Which sort of individual does it affect (street worker, general pedestrian, bus driver, cyclist, etc.)?
Where are the hot spots for the pollution (is is the city centre where there are very few cars, or is it queuing traffic at pinch points, such as level crossings)?
What is the actual pollution (CO, CO2, NO2, particulate, etc.)?
What is the major source of this pollution (petrol or diesel, public or private transport or heating)?

Then we could have a reasonable discussion about how to deal with it,. Would improving traffic flow help? Do we need more car-free-zones? Do we need fewer buses/taxis? Do we need a proper park and ride (Withdean is IMHO a joke!)?

But of course the anti-car bigots know the answer already....
Good to see the small-minded anti-car bigots have come up with their 'petrol head' insults as usual. However, before immediately blaming private transport, wouldn't it be useful to get some facts to identify causes and options? How did Public Health England determine a death was caused by pollution (or is it a statistical estimate of what might be)? Is it related to particular age groups? Everyone does die - how much did the pollution actually bring forward the age of death (i.e.premature deaths)? Where in the city did these deaths occur (is there a focal point)? Which sort of individual does it affect (street worker, general pedestrian, bus driver, cyclist, etc.)? Where are the hot spots for the pollution (is is the city centre where there are very few cars, or is it queuing traffic at pinch points, such as level crossings)? What is the actual pollution (CO, CO2, NO2, particulate, etc.)? What is the major source of this pollution (petrol or diesel, public or private transport or heating)? Then we could have a reasonable discussion about how to deal with it,. Would improving traffic flow help? Do we need more car-free-zones? Do we need fewer buses/taxis? Do we need a proper park and ride (Withdean is IMHO a joke!)? But of course the anti-car bigots know the answer already.... pachallis
  • Score: 10

1:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

fredaj says...

Read the report and you will see that far from as reported in the Argus, the report does NOT say that 1 in 20 deaths are as a result of air pollution.

It is a statistical analysis attributing deaths to pollution depending on how much pollution that area has. It has not counted actual dead people who have died form a defined pollution related illness - whatever that might mean.

Puts a slightly different spin on it.
Read the report and you will see that far from as reported in the Argus, the report does NOT say that 1 in 20 deaths are as a result of air pollution. It is a statistical analysis attributing deaths to pollution depending on how much pollution that area has. It has not counted actual dead people who have died form a defined pollution related illness - whatever that might mean. Puts a slightly different spin on it. fredaj
  • Score: 8

1:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

paul76 says...

Has anybody been down Edward Street now the roadworks have started for the bus lane and seen all the queuing traffic. It is currently down to one lane heading West, and this will be what it is like when the bus lane has been finished.

It is a joke and will add to pollution with all the stationary traffic, while a couple of buses get a free lane to use. It will only push people to cut though the side roads to the seafront like I am already doing, which will then cause big delays of traffic trying to turn right onto the seafront from the side roads to head West.

The councils aim is clearly to cause gridlock everyday for the motorist, unless you choose to take a bus.

Not taking into account the purchase price of my motorbike, weekly operating costs are actually less than buying a weekly bus ticket, so why would I want to take a bus.
Has anybody been down Edward Street now the roadworks have started for the bus lane and seen all the queuing traffic. It is currently down to one lane heading West, and this will be what it is like when the bus lane has been finished. It is a joke and will add to pollution with all the stationary traffic, while a couple of buses get a free lane to use. It will only push people to cut though the side roads to the seafront like I am already doing, which will then cause big delays of traffic trying to turn right onto the seafront from the side roads to head West. The councils aim is clearly to cause gridlock everyday for the motorist, unless you choose to take a bus. Not taking into account the purchase price of my motorbike, weekly operating costs are actually less than buying a weekly bus ticket, so why would I want to take a bus. paul76
  • Score: 13

2:46pm Fri 11 Apr 14

spa301 says...

Gribbet wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead handsYou really come across as a sad couple. Same old gripes and insults. How about adding something constructive and realistic for once? Or better still just email each other and save us from your drivel.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...[/p][/quote]True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead handsYou really come across as a sad couple. Same old gripes and insults. How about adding something constructive and realistic for once? Or better still just email each other and save us from your drivel. spa301
  • Score: 4

3:47pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

spa301 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead handsYou really come across as a sad couple. Same old gripes and insults. How about adding something constructive and realistic for once? Or better still just email each other and save us from your drivel.People on here get offended by the reality. They'd rather just carry on with their usual habits, making things worse while waiting for a miracle to happen, or crying out for someone else to make the problem go away.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...[/p][/quote]True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead handsYou really come across as a sad couple. Same old gripes and insults. How about adding something constructive and realistic for once? Or better still just email each other and save us from your drivel.[/p][/quote]People on here get offended by the reality. They'd rather just carry on with their usual habits, making things worse while waiting for a miracle to happen, or crying out for someone else to make the problem go away. Gribbet
  • Score: -6

3:59pm Fri 11 Apr 14

spa301 says...

Gribbet wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
billy goat-gruff wrote:
As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead handsYou really come across as a sad couple. Same old gripes and insults. How about adding something constructive and realistic for once? Or better still just email each other and save us from your drivel.People on here get offended by the reality. They'd rather just carry on with their usual habits, making things worse while waiting for a miracle to happen, or crying out for someone else to make the problem go away.Personally I'm not waiting for a miracle. What we have collectively caused by our industrialisation is now irreversible and we're just going to have to take the consequences firmly on the chin. Simply suddenly and unilaterally abandoning the motor vehicle is neither practical nor realistic. As previous commentators have stated, ensuring the traffic can flow rather than forcing it into slow moving, stop/start jams would, whilst not ideal, be an improvement. It's almost as if the Greens want to make it so much worse so they can say 'told you so' Not a very helpful or politically mature policy in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: As usual the petrol heads will blame everything and everyone but themselves - take a look round the back of your cars at that little pipe pumping out toxic pollution. And no, it's not steam, or sand from the Sahara...[/p][/quote]True that. I especially like the suggestion to reduce pollution, not by reducing traffic, but instead helping traffic flow more quickly by making it more difficult for people to cross the road by the pier. The Brighton petrolheads and the American gun lobbyists have the same "from my cold dead handsYou really come across as a sad couple. Same old gripes and insults. How about adding something constructive and realistic for once? Or better still just email each other and save us from your drivel.[/p][/quote]People on here get offended by the reality. They'd rather just carry on with their usual habits, making things worse while waiting for a miracle to happen, or crying out for someone else to make the problem go away.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm not waiting for a miracle. What we have collectively caused by our industrialisation is now irreversible and we're just going to have to take the consequences firmly on the chin. Simply suddenly and unilaterally abandoning the motor vehicle is neither practical nor realistic. As previous commentators have stated, ensuring the traffic can flow rather than forcing it into slow moving, stop/start jams would, whilst not ideal, be an improvement. It's almost as if the Greens want to make it so much worse so they can say 'told you so' Not a very helpful or politically mature policy in my opinion. spa301
  • Score: 3

4:01pm Fri 11 Apr 14

spa301 says...

Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there?? spa301
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pachallis says...

spa301 wrote:
Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??[/p][/quote]@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again.... pachallis
  • Score: 1

5:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

birthofanorange says...

According to UB40, I am the "one in ten", so it seems that I won't be affected by this.
According to UB40, I am the "one in ten", so it seems that I won't be affected by this. birthofanorange
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Fri 11 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
spa301 wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....
Apparently, since the start of the industrial revolution, world wide carbon dioxide emmissions have risen exponentially (mathematically correct) and continue to do so despite all the policy measures introduced so far and despite continually reducing the energy intensity per unit of economic output. Within my life time, with no change I am likely to witness a 2-4 degrees C rise in global temperatures, my child 2-6 degrees. This will be devestating. Global temperatures have only risen 4 degrees C since the last ice age, when most of the country was under 1000m of ice.

How is this relevant? If the UK were to adopt a zero carbon target as proposed in the Zero Carbon Britain report to meet our need to quickly curb envirionmentally damaging emmissions, a byproduct would be to improve the air quality substantially as polluting hydrocarbons would deliver only a small proportion our energy needs for electricity generation, heating or transport. The report proposes a big improvement in decarbonised public transport infrastructure and a reduction of the need to travel due to better use of technology. Now you may like to frame this as anti-car, that is your opinion. It is however pro-people and pro-environment.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??[/p][/quote]@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....[/p][/quote]Apparently, since the start of the industrial revolution, world wide carbon dioxide emmissions have risen exponentially (mathematically correct) and continue to do so despite all the policy measures introduced so far and despite continually reducing the energy intensity per unit of economic output. Within my life time, with no change I am likely to witness a 2-4 degrees C rise in global temperatures, my child 2-6 degrees. This will be devestating. Global temperatures have only risen 4 degrees C since the last ice age, when most of the country was under 1000m of ice. How is this relevant? If the UK were to adopt a zero carbon target as proposed in the Zero Carbon Britain report to meet our need to quickly curb envirionmentally damaging emmissions, a byproduct would be to improve the air quality substantially as polluting hydrocarbons would deliver only a small proportion our energy needs for electricity generation, heating or transport. The report proposes a big improvement in decarbonised public transport infrastructure and a reduction of the need to travel due to better use of technology. Now you may like to frame this as anti-car, that is your opinion. It is however pro-people and pro-environment. HJarrs
  • Score: -6

7:22pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Washing a few marmite pots and getting a handful of cars off the roads in the UK won't stop the mighty economies of South America, Asia and India churning mess into the atmosphere as our demand is their pleasure.
We all enjoy a cheap life thanks to these economies so we pay the price.
It's actually interesting to note that the London boroughs mentioned and West Sussex have some of the longest life expectancies in the uk so maybe the pollution is just weeding out the weak in the same way the pox, plague and Spanish flu did in previous centuries.
Washing a few marmite pots and getting a handful of cars off the roads in the UK won't stop the mighty economies of South America, Asia and India churning mess into the atmosphere as our demand is their pleasure. We all enjoy a cheap life thanks to these economies so we pay the price. It's actually interesting to note that the London boroughs mentioned and West Sussex have some of the longest life expectancies in the uk so maybe the pollution is just weeding out the weak in the same way the pox, plague and Spanish flu did in previous centuries. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 5

8:49pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Ozimandias says...

Today there were very long lines of traffic along the A23 coming in to Brighton from lunchtime and onwards. This is the case all through spring to autumn and the inevitable delays in the evening when visitors leave the resort.
There really has to be an "out of the box" scheme for rapid, cheap, park and ride schemes, using car parks UNDER the South Downs(carefully constructed with little visual disturbance) and an electric bus or tram service to the centre and seafront. There could be a rapid tram system, using the old route of the old steam train line which used to go up towards the Devils Dyke.
My view is that the construction of multi-story car parks in the 60s and 70s
was a mistake which encouraged more motorists to the centre,
I am lucky to live on the top of a hill in Brighton but I am very sympathetic to people who live in highly polluted areas, such as Lewes Road.
No Hs2-but investment in re-opening lines closed by Dr Beeching!
Today there were very long lines of traffic along the A23 coming in to Brighton from lunchtime and onwards. This is the case all through spring to autumn and the inevitable delays in the evening when visitors leave the resort. There really has to be an "out of the box" scheme for rapid, cheap, park and ride schemes, using car parks UNDER the South Downs(carefully constructed with little visual disturbance) and an electric bus or tram service to the centre and seafront. There could be a rapid tram system, using the old route of the old steam train line which used to go up towards the Devils Dyke. My view is that the construction of multi-story car parks in the 60s and 70s was a mistake which encouraged more motorists to the centre, I am lucky to live on the top of a hill in Brighton but I am very sympathetic to people who live in highly polluted areas, such as Lewes Road. No Hs2-but investment in re-opening lines closed by Dr Beeching! Ozimandias
  • Score: 5

2:56am Sat 12 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

pachallis wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....
And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??[/p][/quote]@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....[/p][/quote]And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting. Gribbet
  • Score: -2

8:34am Sat 12 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Washing a few marmite pots and getting a handful of cars off the roads in the UK won't stop the mighty economies of South America, Asia and India churning mess into the atmosphere as our demand is their pleasure.
We all enjoy a cheap life thanks to these economies so we pay the price.
It's actually interesting to note that the London boroughs mentioned and West Sussex have some of the longest life expectancies in the uk so maybe the pollution is just weeding out the weak in the same way the pox, plague and Spanish flu did in previous centuries.
Well said, yes removing the odd car and a bit of recycling will not make much difference.

We need to make radical change, which will impact on every area of life. This is entirely possible with current technology, while maintaining or improving our quality of life. We can either embrace change to ensure it is positive or have change thrust upon us. There is no other option. The two biggest areas of emissions in the UK are transport and heating. Locally, we have started to make a real change to transport for the better, nationally the government's green deal has been a disaster.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Washing a few marmite pots and getting a handful of cars off the roads in the UK won't stop the mighty economies of South America, Asia and India churning mess into the atmosphere as our demand is their pleasure. We all enjoy a cheap life thanks to these economies so we pay the price. It's actually interesting to note that the London boroughs mentioned and West Sussex have some of the longest life expectancies in the uk so maybe the pollution is just weeding out the weak in the same way the pox, plague and Spanish flu did in previous centuries.[/p][/quote]Well said, yes removing the odd car and a bit of recycling will not make much difference. We need to make radical change, which will impact on every area of life. This is entirely possible with current technology, while maintaining or improving our quality of life. We can either embrace change to ensure it is positive or have change thrust upon us. There is no other option. The two biggest areas of emissions in the UK are transport and heating. Locally, we have started to make a real change to transport for the better, nationally the government's green deal has been a disaster. HJarrs
  • Score: -3

8:38am Sat 12 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....
And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.
Gribbet, Gribbet, Gribbet, !! you wouldn't be French by any chance, !!
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??[/p][/quote]@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....[/p][/quote]And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.[/p][/quote]Gribbet, Gribbet, Gribbet, !! you wouldn't be French by any chance, !! ARMANA
  • Score: 1

9:45am Sat 12 Apr 14

Gribbet says...

ARMANA wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....
And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.
Gribbet, Gribbet, Gribbet, !! you wouldn't be French by any chance, !!
No. You?
[quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??[/p][/quote]@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....[/p][/quote]And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.[/p][/quote]Gribbet, Gribbet, Gribbet, !! you wouldn't be French by any chance, !![/p][/quote]No. You? Gribbet
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Sat 12 Apr 14

ARMANA says...

Gribbet wrote:
ARMANA wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
pachallis wrote:
spa301 wrote:
Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??
@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....
And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.
Gribbet, Gribbet, Gribbet, !! you wouldn't be French by any chance, !!
No. You?
Na.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARMANA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Not sure why all the latest comments are being lumped together...ARGUS are you there??[/p][/quote]@spa301 - it actually looks quite good at cutting down on all the bovine excrement written by Gribbet and billy goat-gruff who seem to only be able to come up with the same 'petrol-head' anti-car pro-bike comments time and time again....[/p][/quote]And yet I haven't written anything above about bikes, you've just somehow imagined that. Interesting.[/p][/quote]Gribbet, Gribbet, Gribbet, !! you wouldn't be French by any chance, !![/p][/quote]No. You?[/p][/quote]Na. ARMANA
  • Score: 0

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