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Police defend tactics at anti-fracking protest in Balcombe after Caroline Lucas MP criticism

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Sussex Police has defended its tactics during the Balcombe protests saying its first priority had always been maintaining public safety.

This comes after the judge in the trial involving Caroline Lucas earlier this week said he was concerned about the way the matter had been dealt with.

In particular district judge Tim Pattinson said that in his view deputy chief constable Giles York was not authorised to make a notice under section 14 during the protest.

A number of protesters, including Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, were arrested at the time for breaching the order.


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In summing up, Mr Pattinson said the notice may only be given by the “most senior in rank of the police officers present at the scene” and while deputy chief constable York had been present at some point, it was not clear that he was present at the scene at the time the Notice was authorised.

He added that he was also not satisfied that Ms Lucas had “the requisite knowledge” that the order - which requires demonstrators to use a designated area away from Cuadrilla's entrance - was even in place.

Mr Pattinson said: “If criminal prosecutions for failure to comply are envisaged, as they must have been in this case, it is imperative that conditions are clear. These conditions are not clear. In short, I have concerns about the notice on the particular facts of this case that I find it to be invalid.”

He also said he had not heard any evidence that an “actual obstruction” of a vehicle or person was caused by the protest.

Superintendent Lawrence Hobbs from Sussex Police, which oversaw the protest, said: “The operation was a difficult balancing act throughout and we have been variously reported as 'caving in' to protestors and accused of 'overkill' in the number of officers deployed.

“Right from the outset, we made it absolutely clear that our priority in this operation was safety - for the general public, local residents, protestors, Cuadrilla employees and our own officers and staff.

“We worked with all sides to enable them all to meet their peaceful and lawful objectives, whether they were day-to-day commercial activities or protest.”

A total of 126 people were arrested outside the Cuadrilla site in Balcombe.

Of those, 90 people were charged with 114 offences and 36 had their cases dropped without charge.

Of the protestors that were charged, 21 had their cases discontinued by police and a further 22 had the case dropped by the CPS.

  • Don't miss Monday's Argus for a first person piece from Green MP Caroline Lucas who will talk about her experience during and after the protests

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8:29am Sat 19 Apr 14

Take it Personally says...

"Defend their tactics" on peaceful protesters (yes I was there to see it for myself) and YET they condone the EDL march in Brighton which costs ridiculous amounts of money to police, is frightening to people and violent. (not to mention a loss of days trading to businesses along the route)

CPS wastes obscene amounts of money trying to prosecute people (including Caroline Lucas) and don't win -were never going to win because people have the right to peaceful protest, and yet violent EDL protests are allowed.... go figure
"Defend their tactics" on peaceful protesters (yes I was there to see it for myself) and YET they condone the EDL march in Brighton which costs ridiculous amounts of money to police, is frightening to people and violent. (not to mention a loss of days trading to businesses along the route) CPS wastes obscene amounts of money trying to prosecute people (including Caroline Lucas) and don't win -were never going to win because people have the right to peaceful protest, and yet violent EDL protests are allowed.... go figure Take it Personally
  • Score: -16

9:18am Sat 19 Apr 14

michael505 says...

Does LUCAS not understand English. It is quite obvious she knew what was being explained to her but she chose to ignore it.
Does LUCAS not understand English. It is quite obvious she knew what was being explained to her but she chose to ignore it. michael505
  • Score: 15

9:24am Sat 19 Apr 14

NickBrt says...

She just likes to get her face in front of the camera at every available opportunity. You know they have Egg Hunts at Easter? Shall we have a Lucas Hunt to see if anyone can one day actually find her in Brighton Pavilion area?
She just likes to get her face in front of the camera at every available opportunity. You know they have Egg Hunts at Easter? Shall we have a Lucas Hunt to see if anyone can one day actually find her in Brighton Pavilion area? NickBrt
  • Score: 11

9:27am Sat 19 Apr 14

JHunty says...

Take it Personally wrote:
"Defend their tactics" on peaceful protesters (yes I was there to see it for myself) and YET they condone the EDL march in Brighton which costs ridiculous amounts of money to police, is frightening to people and violent. (not to mention a loss of days trading to businesses along the route)

CPS wastes obscene amounts of money trying to prosecute people (including Caroline Lucas) and don't win -were never going to win because people have the right to peaceful protest, and yet violent EDL protests are allowed.... go figure
Yeah you're not making any sense. The police don't condone the March for England, they have a duty to facilitate peaceful protest. Your using the wrong words, sometimes in the wrong order too.
It's the opposition to the March for England that uses violence to try prevent them exercising their right to protest.
The anti fracking protestors repeatedly stated that they would do what ever they had to to prevent fracking taking place. That is until they were in court when all of a sudden they changed their tune and denied obstructing a company from going about their lawful business.
So when the protests at Balcombe stopped just being protests and became an attempt to stop a business going about its lawful business the police intervened. It's not rocket science, but your garbled diatribe suggests you would probably protest against rocket science on the basis of the damage it does to the environment.
[quote][p][bold]Take it Personally[/bold] wrote: "Defend their tactics" on peaceful protesters (yes I was there to see it for myself) and YET they condone the EDL march in Brighton which costs ridiculous amounts of money to police, is frightening to people and violent. (not to mention a loss of days trading to businesses along the route) CPS wastes obscene amounts of money trying to prosecute people (including Caroline Lucas) and don't win -were never going to win because people have the right to peaceful protest, and yet violent EDL protests are allowed.... go figure[/p][/quote]Yeah you're not making any sense. The police don't condone the March for England, they have a duty to facilitate peaceful protest. Your using the wrong words, sometimes in the wrong order too. It's the opposition to the March for England that uses violence to try prevent them exercising their right to protest. The anti fracking protestors repeatedly stated that they would do what ever they had to to prevent fracking taking place. That is until they were in court when all of a sudden they changed their tune and denied obstructing a company from going about their lawful business. So when the protests at Balcombe stopped just being protests and became an attempt to stop a business going about its lawful business the police intervened. It's not rocket science, but your garbled diatribe suggests you would probably protest against rocket science on the basis of the damage it does to the environment. JHunty
  • Score: 23

9:32am Sat 19 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?

As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.
I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ? As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics. Fight_Back
  • Score: -9

9:49am Sat 19 Apr 14

JHunty says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?

As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.
Actually it could be argued that Caroline herself might be blamed for wasting our time. If when repeatedly asked by the police if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she had said " well we are planning to move in fifteen minutes so perhaps you could wait a little longer" then perhaps the whole court case could have been avoided. However she chose not to make that statement until months later in court when she claimed the police actions were disproportionate because she was about to move anyway. it's a bit of a mystery really isn't it? She was repeatedly asked if there was anything the police could say or do to persuade her to move but she didn't ask where the area set aside for protesting was nor did she explain that she was about to move anyway, really odd, why would she not tell the police at the time that she was just about to move? It's almost as if she wanted to be arrested.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ? As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.[/p][/quote]Actually it could be argued that Caroline herself might be blamed for wasting our time. If when repeatedly asked by the police if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she had said " well we are planning to move in fifteen minutes so perhaps you could wait a little longer" then perhaps the whole court case could have been avoided. However she chose not to make that statement until months later in court when she claimed the police actions were disproportionate because she was about to move anyway. it's a bit of a mystery really isn't it? She was repeatedly asked if there was anything the police could say or do to persuade her to move but she didn't ask where the area set aside for protesting was nor did she explain that she was about to move anyway, really odd, why would she not tell the police at the time that she was just about to move? It's almost as if she wanted to be arrested. JHunty
  • Score: 20

10:11am Sat 19 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

JHunty wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?

As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.
Actually it could be argued that Caroline herself might be blamed for wasting our time. If when repeatedly asked by the police if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she had said " well we are planning to move in fifteen minutes so perhaps you could wait a little longer" then perhaps the whole court case could have been avoided. However she chose not to make that statement until months later in court when she claimed the police actions were disproportionate because she was about to move anyway. it's a bit of a mystery really isn't it? She was repeatedly asked if there was anything the police could say or do to persuade her to move but she didn't ask where the area set aside for protesting was nor did she explain that she was about to move anyway, really odd, why would she not tell the police at the time that she was just about to move? It's almost as if she wanted to be arrested.
And I'll repeat my two questions which you've chosen to ignore :

What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ? As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.[/p][/quote]Actually it could be argued that Caroline herself might be blamed for wasting our time. If when repeatedly asked by the police if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she had said " well we are planning to move in fifteen minutes so perhaps you could wait a little longer" then perhaps the whole court case could have been avoided. However she chose not to make that statement until months later in court when she claimed the police actions were disproportionate because she was about to move anyway. it's a bit of a mystery really isn't it? She was repeatedly asked if there was anything the police could say or do to persuade her to move but she didn't ask where the area set aside for protesting was nor did she explain that she was about to move anyway, really odd, why would she not tell the police at the time that she was just about to move? It's almost as if she wanted to be arrested.[/p][/quote]And I'll repeat my two questions which you've chosen to ignore : What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ? Fight_Back
  • Score: -11

12:14pm Sat 19 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

lets hope next year the paper will be saying former MP lucas ,
lets hope next year the paper will be saying former MP lucas , whatevernext2013
  • Score: 10

12:32pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Fight_Back says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
truescouser wrote:
the police are a law unto themselves and they regularly misuse legislation for their master's own political ends. all you have to do is look over the history of their behaviour in relation to the 96 people who died at hilsborough to see that they are corrupt and will do anything to paint a good picture of themselves. it's time to reform the police rank and file so that it is representative of the people and doesn't just pander to certain sections of society - big business, right-wing politicians, newspaper magnates (rupert murdoch et al) etc etc. and i find it highly suspicious that anyone who is against the police's point of view is getting negative markdowns.my answer to them is this - why dont you pig scum go and read your normal right wing papers (telegraph,the scum,mail) if you cant stand criticism ? better still, act within the law - after all you are supposed to represent it.
ah just another keyboard warrior ,grow up ,things have moved on since hillsborough ,now go away and hide under your keyboard brave lad
They haven't moved on !

Plebgate is a good example of the police STILL being corrupt and playing political games. Or Police officers selling information to the Sun. Or the shredding of papers relating to the Stephen Lawrence case that held the police in a bad light. Or Sussex Police shooting dead a naked man in his bedroom.

All these happened well after Hillsborough.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truescouser[/bold] wrote: the police are a law unto themselves and they regularly misuse legislation for their master's own political ends. all you have to do is look over the history of their behaviour in relation to the 96 people who died at hilsborough to see that they are corrupt and will do anything to paint a good picture of themselves. it's time to reform the police rank and file so that it is representative of the people and doesn't just pander to certain sections of society - big business, right-wing politicians, newspaper magnates (rupert murdoch et al) etc etc. and i find it highly suspicious that anyone who is against the police's point of view is getting negative markdowns.my answer to them is this - why dont you pig scum go and read your normal right wing papers (telegraph,the scum,mail) if you cant stand criticism ? better still, act within the law - after all you are supposed to represent it.[/p][/quote]ah just another keyboard warrior ,grow up ,things have moved on since hillsborough ,now go away and hide under your keyboard brave lad[/p][/quote]They haven't moved on ! Plebgate is a good example of the police STILL being corrupt and playing political games. Or Police officers selling information to the Sun. Or the shredding of papers relating to the Stephen Lawrence case that held the police in a bad light. Or Sussex Police shooting dead a naked man in his bedroom. All these happened well after Hillsborough. Fight_Back
  • Score: -4

12:42pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Fight_Back wrote:
JHunty wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?

As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.
Actually it could be argued that Caroline herself might be blamed for wasting our time. If when repeatedly asked by the police if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she had said " well we are planning to move in fifteen minutes so perhaps you could wait a little longer" then perhaps the whole court case could have been avoided. However she chose not to make that statement until months later in court when she claimed the police actions were disproportionate because she was about to move anyway. it's a bit of a mystery really isn't it? She was repeatedly asked if there was anything the police could say or do to persuade her to move but she didn't ask where the area set aside for protesting was nor did she explain that she was about to move anyway, really odd, why would she not tell the police at the time that she was just about to move? It's almost as if she wanted to be arrested.
And I'll repeat my two questions which you've chosen to ignore :

What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?
What was/is in the public interest is that law abiding co.'s and/or citizens must be allowed to go about their business without any form of hinderance. it is completely unresonable to allow "protestors to go on for as long as they want, however they want.

What was the audience the protestors were appealing to? Cuadrilla didn't give a toss about them and won't going forwards either.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ? As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.[/p][/quote]Actually it could be argued that Caroline herself might be blamed for wasting our time. If when repeatedly asked by the police if there was anything they could do or say to persuade her to move she had said " well we are planning to move in fifteen minutes so perhaps you could wait a little longer" then perhaps the whole court case could have been avoided. However she chose not to make that statement until months later in court when she claimed the police actions were disproportionate because she was about to move anyway. it's a bit of a mystery really isn't it? She was repeatedly asked if there was anything the police could say or do to persuade her to move but she didn't ask where the area set aside for protesting was nor did she explain that she was about to move anyway, really odd, why would she not tell the police at the time that she was just about to move? It's almost as if she wanted to be arrested.[/p][/quote]And I'll repeat my two questions which you've chosen to ignore : What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?[/p][/quote]What was/is in the public interest is that law abiding co.'s and/or citizens must be allowed to go about their business without any form of hinderance. it is completely unresonable to allow "protestors to go on for as long as they want, however they want. What was the audience the protestors were appealing to? Cuadrilla didn't give a toss about them and won't going forwards either. Plantpot
  • Score: 9

12:46pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Plantpot says...

Sounds like the Police shot themselves in the foot ref procedure, otherwise whe was bang to rights.
Sounds like the Police shot themselves in the foot ref procedure, otherwise whe was bang to rights. Plantpot
  • Score: 0

12:48pm Sat 19 Apr 14

chris elmes says...

"We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or other officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well" Magn Carta 1215 article 45. Police officers are all Crown Servents holding the office of Constable irrespective of rank. They are not an arm of government per se, they have sworn an oath to serve our soverign lady Elizabeth not the grubby politicians buraucrats or other vested intrests.. It should be noted that a Constables sole authority is that of a peace officer charged with keeping the Queens Peace. However many police officers do not truly understand the powers they weild nor the restrictions placed on that power, in addition those at the higher levels of the Police Service who tend to dabble in political matters and tend to serve their own advantage (to the detriment of their oaths) do not/will not encourage the junior ranks to fully understand the obligations and restrictions of their office that have been placed opon them.
"We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or other officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well" Magn Carta 1215 article 45. Police officers are all Crown Servents holding the office of Constable irrespective of rank. They are not an arm of government per se, they have sworn an oath to serve our soverign lady Elizabeth not the grubby politicians buraucrats or other vested intrests.. It should be noted that a Constables sole authority is that of a peace officer charged with keeping the Queens Peace. However many police officers do not truly understand the powers they weild nor the restrictions placed on that power, in addition those at the higher levels of the Police Service who tend to dabble in political matters and tend to serve their own advantage (to the detriment of their oaths) do not/will not encourage the junior ranks to fully understand the obligations and restrictions of their office that have been placed opon them. chris elmes
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Sat 19 Apr 14

truescouser says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
truescouser wrote: the police are a law unto themselves and they regularly misuse legislation for their master's own political ends. all you have to do is look over the history of their behaviour in relation to the 96 people who died at hilsborough to see that they are corrupt and will do anything to paint a good picture of themselves. it's time to reform the police rank and file so that it is representative of the people and doesn't just pander to certain sections of society - big business, right-wing politicians, newspaper magnates (rupert murdoch et al) etc etc. and i find it highly suspicious that anyone who is against the police's point of view is getting negative markdowns.my answer to them is this - why dont you pig scum go and read your normal right wing papers (telegraph,the scum,mail) if you cant stand criticism ? better still, act within the law - after all you are supposed to represent it.
ah just another keyboard warrior ,grow up ,things have moved on since hillsborough ,now go away and hide under your keyboard brave lad
oh i'm quite prepared to put my case to you anywhere anytime any place - cowardly scum.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truescouser[/bold] wrote: the police are a law unto themselves and they regularly misuse legislation for their master's own political ends. all you have to do is look over the history of their behaviour in relation to the 96 people who died at hilsborough to see that they are corrupt and will do anything to paint a good picture of themselves. it's time to reform the police rank and file so that it is representative of the people and doesn't just pander to certain sections of society - big business, right-wing politicians, newspaper magnates (rupert murdoch et al) etc etc. and i find it highly suspicious that anyone who is against the police's point of view is getting negative markdowns.my answer to them is this - why dont you pig scum go and read your normal right wing papers (telegraph,the scum,mail) if you cant stand criticism ? better still, act within the law - after all you are supposed to represent it.[/p][/quote]ah just another keyboard warrior ,grow up ,things have moved on since hillsborough ,now go away and hide under your keyboard brave lad[/p][/quote]oh i'm quite prepared to put my case to you anywhere anytime any place - cowardly scum. truescouser
  • Score: -5

1:29pm Sat 19 Apr 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

To look at it in a more positive light:
Prisons and prison officers across the UK may have joined in breathing a collective sigh of relief upon hearing they are not going to be subjected to the cruel and unusual punishment of discussing page 3 modelling or the fracking environment whilst slopping out with Caroline Lucas?

Then again, knowing there was the slightest chance of being banged up with any MP might act as a real deterrent to even the most hardened criminals?
To look at it in a more positive light: Prisons and prison officers across the UK may have joined in breathing a collective sigh of relief upon hearing they are not going to be subjected to the cruel and unusual punishment of discussing page 3 modelling or the fracking environment whilst slopping out with Caroline Lucas? Then again, knowing there was the slightest chance of being banged up with any MP might act as a real deterrent to even the most hardened criminals? From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Instead of Caroline and the police fighting with each other, they should work together to protect the parks in the city she was elected to represent.
She knows that since the green council was elected we've had an increase in the number and frequency of illegal encampments on our parks. The council has even opened the gates to wild park to illegal campers despite the police asking the council not to do this.
Diesel vans all over the parks poses as much of an environmental threat as fracking yet Caroline seems totally uninterested.
Recently illegal campers were parked up in wild park and a quad bike which was parked outside one of the vans was being ridden regularly through the woodland during the key breeding season of many protected species. Then more illegal campers parked up on a city park which is also the landing site of the air ambulance.
Caroline and her green colleagues seem totally uninterested in protecting the local environment and I can only think she sees fracking as more of a PR opportunity than evicting hippies and travellers from parks even when it's not in her constituency.
It's time to vote in MPs and councillors who really care about the local environment.
Instead of Caroline and the police fighting with each other, they should work together to protect the parks in the city she was elected to represent. She knows that since the green council was elected we've had an increase in the number and frequency of illegal encampments on our parks. The council has even opened the gates to wild park to illegal campers despite the police asking the council not to do this. Diesel vans all over the parks poses as much of an environmental threat as fracking yet Caroline seems totally uninterested. Recently illegal campers were parked up in wild park and a quad bike which was parked outside one of the vans was being ridden regularly through the woodland during the key breeding season of many protected species. Then more illegal campers parked up on a city park which is also the landing site of the air ambulance. Caroline and her green colleagues seem totally uninterested in protecting the local environment and I can only think she sees fracking as more of a PR opportunity than evicting hippies and travellers from parks even when it's not in her constituency. It's time to vote in MPs and councillors who really care about the local environment. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 11

3:22pm Sat 19 Apr 14

JHunty says...

Not chosen to ignore anything Fightback, just enjoying the sunshine in the real world instead of impotently mashing a keyboard working up a sweat on a local newspaper forum. I don't answer to you or anyone else but clearly when people break the law it's in the public interest to prosecute them. Caroline had every opportunity to avoid being arrested but refused to take any of those opportunities she has no one but herself to blame for what happened. She is an ardent self publicist and that is the only reason all of this happened, she wanted to promote brand Lucas.
A strongly held belief does not give someone the right to prevent another person going about their lawful business. The fact is that fracking won't take place at Balcombe because the conditions aren't suitable but the protestors couldn't wait for the results of the tests because they were so keen to garner publicity for themselves. A bit of self restraint on their part could have saved the tax payer £4 Million but they were so keen to give their egos a boost they couldn't wait.
Not chosen to ignore anything Fightback, just enjoying the sunshine in the real world instead of impotently mashing a keyboard working up a sweat on a local newspaper forum. I don't answer to you or anyone else but clearly when people break the law it's in the public interest to prosecute them. Caroline had every opportunity to avoid being arrested but refused to take any of those opportunities she has no one but herself to blame for what happened. She is an ardent self publicist and that is the only reason all of this happened, she wanted to promote brand Lucas. A strongly held belief does not give someone the right to prevent another person going about their lawful business. The fact is that fracking won't take place at Balcombe because the conditions aren't suitable but the protestors couldn't wait for the results of the tests because they were so keen to garner publicity for themselves. A bit of self restraint on their part could have saved the tax payer £4 Million but they were so keen to give their egos a boost they couldn't wait. JHunty
  • Score: 4

4:45pm Sat 19 Apr 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

The police are totally untrustworthy nowadays - look at how many people die in police custody. It is shocking.
The police are totally untrustworthy nowadays - look at how many people die in police custody. It is shocking. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -8

7:15pm Sat 19 Apr 14

HJarrs says...

Given the police's record in recent years, I wouldn't be surprised if half the people arrested with her turned out to be undercover cops!
Given the police's record in recent years, I wouldn't be surprised if half the people arrested with her turned out to be undercover cops! HJarrs
  • Score: -2

8:41am Sun 20 Apr 14

salty_pete says...

It's just not a case of obstructing a lawful business. Drilling, or using rotating machinery of any kind, is potentially dangerous to your health. I do know, and have met, many drillers and very few of them have all their fingers, and many have had horrific injuries, but they know the risks and get paid well. Now when so called protestors cross the line to obstruct a business, by blocking the entrance, chaining themselves to the gates etc, then they potentially prevent medical teams arriving to help anyone that is injured or walking wounded going to hospital. It is a serious issue. Personally I'm surprised that the Unions were backing these protestors, as their actions were putting workers at real risk ... ah, but they may not have been union members so that's all then.
It's just not a case of obstructing a lawful business. Drilling, or using rotating machinery of any kind, is potentially dangerous to your health. I do know, and have met, many drillers and very few of them have all their fingers, and many have had horrific injuries, but they know the risks and get paid well. Now when so called protestors cross the line to obstruct a business, by blocking the entrance, chaining themselves to the gates etc, then they potentially prevent medical teams arriving to help anyone that is injured or walking wounded going to hospital. It is a serious issue. Personally I'm surprised that the Unions were backing these protestors, as their actions were putting workers at real risk ... ah, but they may not have been union members so that's all then. salty_pete
  • Score: -2

9:01am Sun 20 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

truescouser wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
truescouser wrote: the police are a law unto themselves and they regularly misuse legislation for their master's own political ends. all you have to do is look over the history of their behaviour in relation to the 96 people who died at hilsborough to see that they are corrupt and will do anything to paint a good picture of themselves. it's time to reform the police rank and file so that it is representative of the people and doesn't just pander to certain sections of society - big business, right-wing politicians, newspaper magnates (rupert murdoch et al) etc etc. and i find it highly suspicious that anyone who is against the police's point of view is getting negative markdowns.my answer to them is this - why dont you pig scum go and read your normal right wing papers (telegraph,the scum,mail) if you cant stand criticism ? better still, act within the law - after all you are supposed to represent it.
ah just another keyboard warrior ,grow up ,things have moved on since hillsborough ,now go away and hide under your keyboard brave lad
oh i'm quite prepared to put my case to you anywhere anytime any place - cowardly scum.
pmsl ,you just cant improve some people ,but go home to were people like you are welcome ,gobbing off on a faceless site wont impress anyone ,but if you do want a chat ,i will be out side hove police station at 12.00 on easter monday ,soft lad
[quote][p][bold]truescouser[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]truescouser[/bold] wrote: the police are a law unto themselves and they regularly misuse legislation for their master's own political ends. all you have to do is look over the history of their behaviour in relation to the 96 people who died at hilsborough to see that they are corrupt and will do anything to paint a good picture of themselves. it's time to reform the police rank and file so that it is representative of the people and doesn't just pander to certain sections of society - big business, right-wing politicians, newspaper magnates (rupert murdoch et al) etc etc. and i find it highly suspicious that anyone who is against the police's point of view is getting negative markdowns.my answer to them is this - why dont you pig scum go and read your normal right wing papers (telegraph,the scum,mail) if you cant stand criticism ? better still, act within the law - after all you are supposed to represent it.[/p][/quote]ah just another keyboard warrior ,grow up ,things have moved on since hillsborough ,now go away and hide under your keyboard brave lad[/p][/quote]oh i'm quite prepared to put my case to you anywhere anytime any place - cowardly scum.[/p][/quote]pmsl ,you just cant improve some people ,but go home to were people like you are welcome ,gobbing off on a faceless site wont impress anyone ,but if you do want a chat ,i will be out side hove police station at 12.00 on easter monday ,soft lad whatevernext2013
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5:50pm Sun 20 Apr 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ?

As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ?

As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.
as a council tax payer i have seen millions wasted on this tramp camp ,i would rather see my taxes spent on improving our city and not on policing the great unwashed and the soon to be former green MP
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I don't agree with Caroline Lucas' politics but in this case the police and the CPS have wasted a huge amount of public money for political reasons. What was in the public interest to prosecute these people ? As for the police, note they don't respond to the Judges comments on the Section 14 - guilty as accused then Sussex Police ? As a football fan I've seen police twist, bend and even break the law in their pursuit of imposing the political will of the day. They are hardly trustworthy when the issue is one of politics.[/p][/quote]as a council tax payer i have seen millions wasted on this tramp camp ,i would rather see my taxes spent on improving our city and not on policing the great unwashed and the soon to be former green MP whatevernext2013
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5:32pm Mon 21 Apr 14

D360 says...

"He also said he had not heard any evidence that an “actual obstruction” of a vehicle or person was caused by the protest."

Really?! How many times did that road have to be closed! Does this Judge expect everyone who had to take a different route that day to come to court and talk about it?

Weak Sussex courts letting down the public as usual, do what you like and call it "protesting" and you'll face no consequences
"He also said he had not heard any evidence that an “actual obstruction” of a vehicle or person was caused by the protest." Really?! How many times did that road have to be closed! Does this Judge expect everyone who had to take a different route that day to come to court and talk about it? Weak Sussex courts letting down the public as usual, do what you like and call it "protesting" and you'll face no consequences D360
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