Councils make overpayments of £2.6 million across Sussex in three years

Councils make overpayments of £2.6 million

Councils make overpayments of £2.6 million

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A TOTAL of £2.6 million has been overpaid to council workers in the past three years.

Administrative errors have seen hundreds of staff receive money they were not entitled to in the last three financial years – including one Brighton and Hove City Council employee who was overpaid by £33,000.

Council officials said nearly all the overpayments were recouped but thousands of pounds remain outstanding.

In the three years from April 2010 to March 2013, Brighton and Hove City Council overpaid 724 members of staff by £1.05 million, West Susssex County Council overpaid 1,317 employees a total of £786,000 and East Sussex County Council paid out £823,000 to 611 employees.

GMB branch secretary Mark Turner said that despite council assurances, recovering overpay could be a long and difficult process and courts couldaward the overpay to employees if they considered they were unknowingly paid too much.

He added: “The amount of money overpaid by Brighton and Hove City Council is astounding.

“It can take years for staff to repay these sums and can be very difficult for them to do so.

“As much as we have overpayment of staff we also have underpayment of staff aswell.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said overpayments were very small with last year’s £198,020 representing just 0.2% of the payroll.

He said £11,962 of “historic”overpayments remained disputed and at risk of not being recovered.

He added: “Overpayments are most commonly due to the temporary absence of a manager, for example, amanager on long-term sickness absence or maternity leave where there has been a delay or problem in providing interim cover arrangements.

“This can result in late notification of changes in the services, for example, someone leaving or reducing their hours, and can therefore result in overpayment.”

AWest Sussex County Council spokeswoman said: “In all cases the county council seeks recoupment, either through enforced means or by agreement.

“A small number of unrecouped overpayments may relate to death in service cases, where discretion can be exercised to write off salary already paid.

“The process for recouping overpaid salary is to write to staff as soon as the overpayment is identified, offering them a suitable repayment instalment plan.

“If the employee has left, an invoice is raised, normally within a month of them leaving, seeking the repayment.”

An East Sussex County Council spokeswoman said: “The majority of overpayments are due to late notification of a change in circumstances.”

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7:52am Tue 6 May 14

hoveguyactually says...

Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.
Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 37

8:18am Tue 6 May 14

HJarrs says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.
Rate payers? Where have you been hiding?

All employers get payments wrong. I have had to chase money, colleagues have been over and underpaid. How do the councils compare with other employers?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.[/p][/quote]Rate payers? Where have you been hiding? All employers get payments wrong. I have had to chase money, colleagues have been over and underpaid. How do the councils compare with other employers? HJarrs
  • Score: -22

9:37am Tue 6 May 14

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.
Rate payers? Where have you been hiding?

All employers get payments wrong. I have had to chase money, colleagues have been over and underpaid. How do the councils compare with other employers?
Er....

I've been in employment for about 18 years now, 9 different companies, and I've never, not once been over- or under-paid.

Perhaps it's because I've never worked in the Public sector?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.[/p][/quote]Rate payers? Where have you been hiding? All employers get payments wrong. I have had to chase money, colleagues have been over and underpaid. How do the councils compare with other employers?[/p][/quote]Er.... I've been in employment for about 18 years now, 9 different companies, and I've never, not once been over- or under-paid. Perhaps it's because I've never worked in the Public sector? cynic_the
  • Score: 21

9:38am Tue 6 May 14

Morpheus says...

HJarrs wrote:
hoveguyactually wrote:
Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.
Rate payers? Where have you been hiding?

All employers get payments wrong. I have had to chase money, colleagues have been over and underpaid. How do the councils compare with other employers?
In my 40 years of employment I was never overpaid or underpaid. This is just incompetence by the employer and it doesn't say much for the employees who don't notice (or do nothing) about the errors. This is why we get such dreadful service from the council and it doesn't matter which party is in power. The full time staff are the problem.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: Why do we have to put up with such an incompetent council, costing ratepayers a fortune? There have been cases of prosecutions where people have not handed back money given them by their banks in error. So why should this not apply to council employees? Furthermore the staff responsible for these errors should be sacked immediately.[/p][/quote]Rate payers? Where have you been hiding? All employers get payments wrong. I have had to chase money, colleagues have been over and underpaid. How do the councils compare with other employers?[/p][/quote]In my 40 years of employment I was never overpaid or underpaid. This is just incompetence by the employer and it doesn't say much for the employees who don't notice (or do nothing) about the errors. This is why we get such dreadful service from the council and it doesn't matter which party is in power. The full time staff are the problem. Morpheus
  • Score: 16

10:54am Tue 6 May 14

Joshiman says...

This article says it all.Shame as I honestly thought they would make a difference.What a difference!
Lunacy of the town that turned green:? In fact, it's the all-too-real story of how Britain's loopiest party took over Brighton...
Brighton Pavilion is the Green Party's only seat in Parliament
Idealism and environmental improvements have gone down well
Other stunts like Meat-free Monday and transgender toilets, not so much
In addition, the party's inexperience in power has left them struggling

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2613905/Lunacy-town-
turned-green-A-ban-b
acon-butties-Traffic
-calming-sheep-Trans
gender-toilets-Sound
s-like-send-In-fact-
real-story-Britains-
loopiest-party-took-
Brighton.html?offset
=200&max=100#comment
-53278072
This article says it all.Shame as I honestly thought they would make a difference.What a difference! Lunacy of the town that turned green:? In fact, it's the all-too-real story of how Britain's loopiest party took over Brighton... Brighton Pavilion is the Green Party's only seat in Parliament Idealism and environmental improvements have gone down well Other stunts like Meat-free Monday and transgender toilets, not so much In addition, the party's inexperience in power has left them struggling http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613905/Lunacy-town- turned-green-A-ban-b acon-butties-Traffic -calming-sheep-Trans gender-toilets-Sound s-like-send-In-fact- real-story-Britains- loopiest-party-took- Brighton.html?offset =200&max=100#comment -53278072 Joshiman
  • Score: 8

12:05pm Tue 6 May 14

brightonbunny says...

There are some astounding numbers here, but it's not down to which party happens to be in power, whether it's private or public sector it's down to lack of robust internal processes and procedures - sometimes red tape saves money!

Like many others in 30 years of employment I've never been over or underpaid. When I left every company the very last task on the "leaving process form" was to get sign off from HR/Payroll that this was my last day and hand in my access card. No mistakes then about paying after leaving are the possible. Simple.

I suspect the issue here is incompetent senior management not recognising the need for a robust process and middle management taking little responsibility for managing the money and improving the processes around them. HR should be taking the lead here with support for the CFO.

As it happens I'm in the middle of doing the payroll for my own employees today - admittedly easier to manage 15 than 000's - but there's no way anyone would be paid after leaving. If the managers take more responsibility for the money they are managing on our behalf then such slips should not happen - always the mantra "What would I do if it were my money I was spending?" That would change attitudes.
There are some astounding numbers here, but it's not down to which party happens to be in power, whether it's private or public sector it's down to lack of robust internal processes and procedures - sometimes red tape saves money! Like many others in 30 years of employment I've never been over or underpaid. When I left every company the very last task on the "leaving process form" was to get sign off from HR/Payroll that this was my last day and hand in my access card. No mistakes then about paying after leaving are the possible. Simple. I suspect the issue here is incompetent senior management not recognising the need for a robust process and middle management taking little responsibility for managing the money and improving the processes around them. HR should be taking the lead here with support for the CFO. As it happens I'm in the middle of doing the payroll for my own employees today - admittedly easier to manage 15 than 000's - but there's no way anyone would be paid after leaving. If the managers take more responsibility for the money they are managing on our behalf then such slips should not happen - always the mantra "What would I do if it were my money I was spending?" That would change attitudes. brightonbunny
  • Score: 12

1:06pm Tue 6 May 14

Fercri Sakes says...

So the Green Council of Brighton and Hove City Council said overpayments were just 0.2% of the payroll. Can you let us know how West Sussex (CON) and East Sussex (CON) compare? It's hard to work out without knowing the total payroll.

Can we find out a count of each Council's total employees to maybe work it out that way?

Otherwise you'll just get the normal Green-bashing nonsense here, even if they are out-performing their Conservative neighbours.
So the Green Council of Brighton and Hove City Council said overpayments were just 0.2% of the payroll. Can you let us know how West Sussex (CON) and East Sussex (CON) compare? It's hard to work out without knowing the total payroll. Can we find out a count of each Council's total employees to maybe work it out that way? Otherwise you'll just get the normal Green-bashing nonsense here, even if they are out-performing their Conservative neighbours. Fercri Sakes
  • Score: -9

1:18pm Tue 6 May 14

brightonbunny says...

Joshiman wrote:
This article says it all.Shame as I honestly thought they would make a difference.What a difference!
Lunacy of the town that turned green:? In fact, it's the all-too-real story of how Britain's loopiest party took over Brighton...
Brighton Pavilion is the Green Party's only seat in Parliament
Idealism and environmental improvements have gone down well
Other stunts like Meat-free Monday and transgender toilets, not so much
In addition, the party's inexperience in power has left them struggling

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2613905/Lunacy-town-

turned-green-A-ban-b

acon-butties-Traffic

-calming-sheep-Trans

gender-toilets-Sound

s-like-send-In-fact-

real-story-Britains-

loopiest-party-took-

Brighton.html?offset

=200&max=100#com
ment
-53278072
Errr ....if you read the article fully, it's not just "Green" Brighton & Hove council.

West Sussex Council overpaid £786k
East Sussex Council overpaid £823k

Aren't' they both Conservative run?
Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne must be so proud of their fiscal competence!
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: This article says it all.Shame as I honestly thought they would make a difference.What a difference! Lunacy of the town that turned green:? In fact, it's the all-too-real story of how Britain's loopiest party took over Brighton... Brighton Pavilion is the Green Party's only seat in Parliament Idealism and environmental improvements have gone down well Other stunts like Meat-free Monday and transgender toilets, not so much In addition, the party's inexperience in power has left them struggling http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2613905/Lunacy-town- turned-green-A-ban-b acon-butties-Traffic -calming-sheep-Trans gender-toilets-Sound s-like-send-In-fact- real-story-Britains- loopiest-party-took- Brighton.html?offset =200&max=100#com ment -53278072[/p][/quote]Errr ....if you read the article fully, it's not just "Green" Brighton & Hove council. West Sussex Council overpaid £786k East Sussex Council overpaid £823k Aren't' they both Conservative run? Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne must be so proud of their fiscal competence! brightonbunny
  • Score: -1

1:29pm Tue 6 May 14

wippasnapper says...

Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.
Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour. wippasnapper
  • Score: -4

1:59pm Tue 6 May 14

Andy R says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.
Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish.

Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.[/p][/quote]Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish. Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck. Andy R
  • Score: 6

2:40pm Tue 6 May 14

Fight_Back says...

Andy R wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.
Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish.

Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.
Rubbish - if you owe the council any amount of council tax they demand it there and then - the WHOLE amount for the rest of the year.

Regardless, only and imbecile employer would make such a high level of over payments and it somewhat shows the quality of council employees when it happens.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.[/p][/quote]Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish. Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.[/p][/quote]Rubbish - if you owe the council any amount of council tax they demand it there and then - the WHOLE amount for the rest of the year. Regardless, only and imbecile employer would make such a high level of over payments and it somewhat shows the quality of council employees when it happens. Fight_Back
  • Score: 4

4:31pm Tue 6 May 14

whatevernext2013 says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.
i see the english classes are not going too well
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.[/p][/quote]i see the english classes are not going too well whatevernext2013
  • Score: 5

4:50pm Tue 6 May 14

tinker111 says...

And how much has been over paid to council members ????
And how much has been over paid to council members ???? tinker111
  • Score: 5

6:25pm Tue 6 May 14

jackthekipper says...

they should name the recipients who took themoney and kept quiet about it,how can you be overpaid and not know it.ffs
they should name the recipients who took themoney and kept quiet about it,how can you be overpaid and not know it.ffs jackthekipper
  • Score: 4

7:14pm Tue 6 May 14

HJarrs says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.
Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish.

Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.
Rubbish - if you owe the council any amount of council tax they demand it there and then - the WHOLE amount for the rest of the year.

Regardless, only and imbecile employer would make such a high level of over payments and it somewhat shows the quality of council employees when it happens.
Sorry to be inconvenient to the tiresome anti-council ranting moanerati, but there are a lot of imbecile employers about then. The councils in the article are mere amateurs, with unrecovered costs amounting to just a few thousand on £700 million+ budget in B&H's case.

I have worked for one company (private sector) that nearly bankrupted itself through financial incompitence and couldn't pay correct wages for months. It was millions out every month for the better part of a year! It would make you blush to know how much the company lost. Some employers even purposefully underpay their employees as a way of gaming more money and have to be constantly challenged. I regularly work with some of these people.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.[/p][/quote]Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish. Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.[/p][/quote]Rubbish - if you owe the council any amount of council tax they demand it there and then - the WHOLE amount for the rest of the year. Regardless, only and imbecile employer would make such a high level of over payments and it somewhat shows the quality of council employees when it happens.[/p][/quote]Sorry to be inconvenient to the tiresome anti-council ranting moanerati, but there are a lot of imbecile employers about then. The councils in the article are mere amateurs, with unrecovered costs amounting to just a few thousand on £700 million+ budget in B&H's case. I have worked for one company (private sector) that nearly bankrupted itself through financial incompitence and couldn't pay correct wages for months. It was millions out every month for the better part of a year! It would make you blush to know how much the company lost. Some employers even purposefully underpay their employees as a way of gaming more money and have to be constantly challenged. I regularly work with some of these people. HJarrs
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Tue 6 May 14

Dave At Home says...

This story has to have been gained by the FoI act, I can't see 3 Councils volunteering this sort of crass info to the public arena. But does speak volumes of the unhonest staff working there who have taken the overpayments and not given them back at the time. I wonder how I could get a job there?
This story has to have been gained by the FoI act, I can't see 3 Councils volunteering this sort of crass info to the public arena. But does speak volumes of the unhonest staff working there who have taken the overpayments and not given them back at the time. I wonder how I could get a job there? Dave At Home
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Tue 6 May 14

Andy R says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Andy R wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.
Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish.

Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.
Rubbish - if you owe the council any amount of council tax they demand it there and then - the WHOLE amount for the rest of the year.

Regardless, only and imbecile employer would make such a high level of over payments and it somewhat shows the quality of council employees when it happens.
I'll see your "rubbish" and raise you a "misleading pile of horsesh1t". You can negotiate around debts and make an arrangement to pay. But you know this. You're just exaggerating for effect.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Amazing if the council overpaid use WE would be expected to pay every penny back regardless of if we could afford it or not but just like the governments MPs overpayments scandal they will probable getaway scot free wile the public council tax bill go’s up to recoup the loss in money – the end of the green run council can’t come soon anoth and I would hope we dote get another Red run council as they are just as bad i.e. “Green on the outside red on the inside”. They play the same game just a different colour.[/p][/quote]Any debt to the council can be repaid over a period of time that makes it affordable to the debtor. You just need to talk to them. So you're writing rubbish. Most overpaid employees will end up paying the money back, again over a period that is sustainable for them. Someone who's been overpaid, say £10 a month, for years shouldn't be expected to pay hundreds back out of one paycheck.[/p][/quote]Rubbish - if you owe the council any amount of council tax they demand it there and then - the WHOLE amount for the rest of the year. Regardless, only and imbecile employer would make such a high level of over payments and it somewhat shows the quality of council employees when it happens.[/p][/quote]I'll see your "rubbish" and raise you a "misleading pile of horsesh1t". You can negotiate around debts and make an arrangement to pay. But you know this. You're just exaggerating for effect. Andy R
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Wed 7 May 14

ourcoalition says...

I deal with Union members in over 80 organisations - public and private - mistakes get made in all of them! Public bodies have to publicly account for these which is right - private firms do not.

To give a real example, today - a member in a private care home has been overpaid for 4 years, since day one of her contract, and assumed it was the correct amount, as her pay varied each month due to unsocial hours, sleep-ins, and so on. She never received a payslip (which is, in fact, unlawful) so couldn't check. The company have written off the money owed - in return we do not pursue the payslip issue. Sensible industrial relations - happens all the time!!!
I deal with Union members in over 80 organisations - public and private - mistakes get made in all of them! Public bodies have to publicly account for these which is right - private firms do not. To give a real example, today - a member in a private care home has been overpaid for 4 years, since day one of her contract, and assumed it was the correct amount, as her pay varied each month due to unsocial hours, sleep-ins, and so on. She never received a payslip (which is, in fact, unlawful) so couldn't check. The company have written off the money owed - in return we do not pursue the payslip issue. Sensible industrial relations - happens all the time!!! ourcoalition
  • Score: 2

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