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Cycling flashmob in Brighton today

Cyclists will be ringing their bells in support of better relations between themselves and pedestrians.

The Ring My Bell flashmob will hit Brighton between 3pm and 4pm today.

There will be a three-hour rehearsal from 11am to 2pm beforehand at One Church in Gloucester Place.

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9:48am Sat 17 May 14

RK_Brighton says...

So a load of cyclists gathering in one place and making a load of noise is supposed to help relations with pedestrians?

More likely to cause further problems as they get in the way of pedestrians and annoy them with the noise.
So a load of cyclists gathering in one place and making a load of noise is supposed to help relations with pedestrians? More likely to cause further problems as they get in the way of pedestrians and annoy them with the noise. RK_Brighton
  • Score: 36

9:52am Sat 17 May 14

pr0se says...

A three hour rehearsal for ringing their bells?????
A three hour rehearsal for ringing their bells????? pr0se
  • Score: 35

10:04am Sat 17 May 14

clubrob6 says...

pr0se wrote:
A three hour rehearsal for ringing their bells?????
Well they have never used them before,as usually they are in the wrong especially going through red lights on crossings.
[quote][p][bold]pr0se[/bold] wrote: A three hour rehearsal for ringing their bells?????[/p][/quote]Well they have never used them before,as usually they are in the wrong especially going through red lights on crossings. clubrob6
  • Score: 37

10:07am Sat 17 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part.
Selfish noisy devil.
I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part. Selfish noisy devil. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 29

10:13am Sat 17 May 14

To baldly go says...

Yeah, and next week the red light jumpers, the no hands on the handle bars riders, no lights, no helmets, no road sense, mobile phone users, path users and one way street the wrong way riders will be here, oh hang on a minute they already are! daily breaking the law and then moan when it goes wrong!
Yeah, and next week the red light jumpers, the no hands on the handle bars riders, no lights, no helmets, no road sense, mobile phone users, path users and one way street the wrong way riders will be here, oh hang on a minute they already are! daily breaking the law and then moan when it goes wrong! To baldly go
  • Score: 33

10:55am Sat 17 May 14

mimseycal says...

Thank you Argus for the advance warning. I shall avoid the area today ...
Thank you Argus for the advance warning. I shall avoid the area today ... mimseycal
  • Score: 23

11:03am Sat 17 May 14

fredaj says...

I thought a "flashmob" was a dancing thing?

I don't get how that then relates to bikes, bells and pedestrians.

Perhaps if someone sees this they can report back, telling us what on earth it was.
I thought a "flashmob" was a dancing thing? I don't get how that then relates to bikes, bells and pedestrians. Perhaps if someone sees this they can report back, telling us what on earth it was. fredaj
  • Score: 7

12:19pm Sat 17 May 14

cynic_the says...

fredaj wrote:
I thought a "flashmob" was a dancing thing?

I don't get how that then relates to bikes, bells and pedestrians.

Perhaps if someone sees this they can report back, telling us what on earth it was.
I assume it's a show of force.

Kind of ironic that bell-ringing usually means "get off the zebra crossing i'm coming through"
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: I thought a "flashmob" was a dancing thing? I don't get how that then relates to bikes, bells and pedestrians. Perhaps if someone sees this they can report back, telling us what on earth it was.[/p][/quote]I assume it's a show of force. Kind of ironic that bell-ringing usually means "get off the zebra crossing i'm coming through" cynic_the
  • Score: 9

12:19pm Sat 17 May 14

cynic_the says...

fredaj wrote:
I thought a "flashmob" was a dancing thing?

I don't get how that then relates to bikes, bells and pedestrians.

Perhaps if someone sees this they can report back, telling us what on earth it was.
I assume it's a show of force.

Kind of ironic that bell-ringing usually means "get off the zebra crossing i'm coming through"
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: I thought a "flashmob" was a dancing thing? I don't get how that then relates to bikes, bells and pedestrians. Perhaps if someone sees this they can report back, telling us what on earth it was.[/p][/quote]I assume it's a show of force. Kind of ironic that bell-ringing usually means "get off the zebra crossing i'm coming through" cynic_the
  • Score: 8

12:32pm Sat 17 May 14

hursthill says...

A tip for the cyclists, to help them improve relations with pedestrians. - :
Distance yourselves from those nasty greens ( politicians not grass).
A tip for the cyclists, to help them improve relations with pedestrians. - : Distance yourselves from those nasty greens ( politicians not grass). hursthill
  • Score: 13

12:45pm Sat 17 May 14

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part.
Selfish noisy devil.
Selfish as in run a bike train encouraging more people to cycle.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part. Selfish noisy devil.[/p][/quote]Selfish as in run a bike train encouraging more people to cycle. HJarrs
  • Score: -23

12:51pm Sat 17 May 14

whatevernext2013 says...

will they be also learning the highway code and keeping to it
will they be also learning the highway code and keeping to it whatevernext2013
  • Score: 21

1:08pm Sat 17 May 14

To baldly go says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part.
Selfish noisy devil.
Selfish as in run a bike train encouraging more people to cycle.
Get them to wear helmets, have lights on their bikes, get insurance, stop them using mobile phones and have a chip placed in the bike frame to trigger a fine in the post when they go through a red light and they would become a lot more popular with a lot more people. Keep them off the paths, that might help them build relationships with pedestrians.
In fact, if cyclists were not so SELFISH themselves, it would encourage more people to like them!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part. Selfish noisy devil.[/p][/quote]Selfish as in run a bike train encouraging more people to cycle.[/p][/quote]Get them to wear helmets, have lights on their bikes, get insurance, stop them using mobile phones and have a chip placed in the bike frame to trigger a fine in the post when they go through a red light and they would become a lot more popular with a lot more people. Keep them off the paths, that might help them build relationships with pedestrians. In fact, if cyclists were not so SELFISH themselves, it would encourage more people to like them! To baldly go
  • Score: 17

1:15pm Sat 17 May 14

P.Dant says...

Cyclists are not the problem.It`s the yobs who also ride bicycles.Yobs often drive cars,walk along the pavement and even write comments.A justice system that effectively dealt with yobs,would improve all relations.
Cyclists are not the problem.It`s the yobs who also ride bicycles.Yobs often drive cars,walk along the pavement and even write comments.A justice system that effectively dealt with yobs,would improve all relations. P.Dant
  • Score: -3

1:20pm Sat 17 May 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

Nothing, to me, says 'socially awkward and lacking insight' like a flash mob.

Will anyone be jostling pedestrians, swearing at them, and quickly turning on their helmet cams? I've heard it's all the rage.

Are they not just fulfilling the requirement of primitive social group identity - the 'us and them' mentality that's essential to maintain group cohesion and have some social contact and interaction - even if it is only to moan to each other about petrol heads and Lycra louts?

If the flash mob causes disruption, obstruction or delay then this is quite clearly the intent.
Nothing, to me, says 'socially awkward and lacking insight' like a flash mob. Will anyone be jostling pedestrians, swearing at them, and quickly turning on their helmet cams? I've heard it's all the rage. Are they not just fulfilling the requirement of primitive social group identity - the 'us and them' mentality that's essential to maintain group cohesion and have some social contact and interaction - even if it is only to moan to each other about petrol heads and Lycra louts? If the flash mob causes disruption, obstruction or delay then this is quite clearly the intent. From beer to uncertainty
  • Score: 8

1:44pm Sat 17 May 14

To baldly go says...

P.Dant wrote:
Cyclists are not the problem.It`s the yobs who also ride bicycles.Yobs often drive cars,walk along the pavement and even write comments.A justice system that effectively dealt with yobs,would improve all relations.
Just got in from a quick trip down the shop mate, 2 young women cycling on the path by the King Alfred swimming pool making pedestrians with kids get out of the way, class them as yobs would you, no mate it's not just yobs it's all cyclists who think they are above the law!
[quote][p][bold]P.Dant[/bold] wrote: Cyclists are not the problem.It`s the yobs who also ride bicycles.Yobs often drive cars,walk along the pavement and even write comments.A justice system that effectively dealt with yobs,would improve all relations.[/p][/quote]Just got in from a quick trip down the shop mate, 2 young women cycling on the path by the King Alfred swimming pool making pedestrians with kids get out of the way, class them as yobs would you, no mate it's not just yobs it's all cyclists who think they are above the law! To baldly go
  • Score: 10

2:02pm Sat 17 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

That just happens to be where I'm trying out my new steamroller today.
That just happens to be where I'm trying out my new steamroller today. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 12

2:25pm Sat 17 May 14

p a t r i c k says...

To baldly go wrote:
Yeah, and next week the red light jumpers, the no hands on the handle bars riders, no lights, no helmets, no road sense, mobile phone users, path users and one way street the wrong way riders will be here, oh hang on a minute they already are! daily breaking the law and then moan when it goes wrong!
But cyclists don't exceed speed limits like car drivers, whose law breaking leads to death and injuries.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Yeah, and next week the red light jumpers, the no hands on the handle bars riders, no lights, no helmets, no road sense, mobile phone users, path users and one way street the wrong way riders will be here, oh hang on a minute they already are! daily breaking the law and then moan when it goes wrong![/p][/quote]But cyclists don't exceed speed limits like car drivers, whose law breaking leads to death and injuries. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -16

2:28pm Sat 17 May 14

p a t r i c k says...

I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself.

Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years.

Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.
I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself. Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years. Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people. p a t r i c k
  • Score: -17

2:29pm Sat 17 May 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

If you think creating noise pollution and cycling through streets at 7pm waking up toddlers with music blaring encourages people to cycle then you are as stupid as your spelling and punctuation suggests HJarrs.
If you think creating noise pollution and cycling through streets at 7pm waking up toddlers with music blaring encourages people to cycle then you are as stupid as your spelling and punctuation suggests HJarrs. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 15

3:01pm Sat 17 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

If anything was designed to have the opposite effect to that intended, this is it, lol.
If anything was designed to have the opposite effect to that intended, this is it, lol. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 8

3:02pm Sat 17 May 14

wippasnapper says...

Cyclists will be ringing their bells in support of better relations between themselves and pedestrians. Should that not read them being more considerate towards pedestrians like when the lights are “RED” you the Cyclists “STOP” and NOT riding your bicycle on the pavement being it is now a “LAW” ‘you MUST not ride upon a pavement or path’ unless otherwise stated it’s a bit like cars giving duo care and attention to lorries mind you a cyclist can go up against a lorry any day because there be the ones getting hurt but when cyclist ride upon a pavement without duo care towards pedestrians, pedestrians het hurt I’ve personally witnessed cyclist hitting and even knocking down children and just riding on so maybe use pedestrians ort to mount a demo towards bad cyclists who dote give a dam about anyone but themselves.
Cyclists will be ringing their bells in support of better relations between themselves and pedestrians. Should that not read them being more considerate towards pedestrians like when the lights are “RED” you the Cyclists “STOP” and NOT riding your bicycle on the pavement being it is now a “LAW” ‘you MUST not ride upon a pavement or path’ unless otherwise stated it’s a bit like cars giving duo care and attention to lorries mind you a cyclist can go up against a lorry any day because there be the ones getting hurt but when cyclist ride upon a pavement without duo care towards pedestrians, pedestrians het hurt I’ve personally witnessed cyclist hitting and even knocking down children and just riding on so maybe use pedestrians ort to mount a demo towards bad cyclists who dote give a dam about anyone but themselves. wippasnapper
  • Score: 9

3:02pm Sat 17 May 14

To baldly go says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
Yeah, and next week the red light jumpers, the no hands on the handle bars riders, no lights, no helmets, no road sense, mobile phone users, path users and one way street the wrong way riders will be here, oh hang on a minute they already are! daily breaking the law and then moan when it goes wrong!
But cyclists don't exceed speed limits like car drivers, whose law breaking leads to death and injuries.
Funny that, have you seen the groups that go out on their racer bikes slip streaming each other, I was travelling along the sea front between brooklands and Worthing last week doing just over 30 in the 30mph zone when a group of 4 of these cyclists overtook me causing traffic going in the opposite direction to swerve to avoid them, think that makes them the law breakers on that occasion and would have inflicted their own injuries or deaths had it gone wrong! There is not one person be it car driver, taxi driver, bus driver or cyclist etc that do every thing correctly, even the police break the speed limits.
Not for one moment do I want to see anyone get injured let alone killed, but we all need to except the fact we are all guilty at some point of taking that chance, live and let live and worry about oneself and not everyone else and the world would be a batter place.
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: Yeah, and next week the red light jumpers, the no hands on the handle bars riders, no lights, no helmets, no road sense, mobile phone users, path users and one way street the wrong way riders will be here, oh hang on a minute they already are! daily breaking the law and then moan when it goes wrong![/p][/quote]But cyclists don't exceed speed limits like car drivers, whose law breaking leads to death and injuries.[/p][/quote]Funny that, have you seen the groups that go out on their racer bikes slip streaming each other, I was travelling along the sea front between brooklands and Worthing last week doing just over 30 in the 30mph zone when a group of 4 of these cyclists overtook me causing traffic going in the opposite direction to swerve to avoid them, think that makes them the law breakers on that occasion and would have inflicted their own injuries or deaths had it gone wrong! There is not one person be it car driver, taxi driver, bus driver or cyclist etc that do every thing correctly, even the police break the speed limits. Not for one moment do I want to see anyone get injured let alone killed, but we all need to except the fact we are all guilty at some point of taking that chance, live and let live and worry about oneself and not everyone else and the world would be a batter place. To baldly go
  • Score: 2

3:41pm Sat 17 May 14

To baldly go says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself.

Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years.

Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.
Take a look on youtube mate, cycling through red lights, recorded by some bloke on a motorbike, in 2 minutes about 15 cyclists jumping red lights and swerving around pedestrians crossing the road. Counted just 3 cars doing the same in the same video, gives a true reflection on who the main culprits are I think!
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself. Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years. Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.[/p][/quote]Take a look on youtube mate, cycling through red lights, recorded by some bloke on a motorbike, in 2 minutes about 15 cyclists jumping red lights and swerving around pedestrians crossing the road. Counted just 3 cars doing the same in the same video, gives a true reflection on who the main culprits are I think! To baldly go
  • Score: 13

6:21pm Sat 17 May 14

Sussex jim says...

To baldly go wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part.
Selfish noisy devil.
Selfish as in run a bike train encouraging more people to cycle.
Get them to wear helmets, have lights on their bikes, get insurance, stop them using mobile phones and have a chip placed in the bike frame to trigger a fine in the post when they go through a red light and they would become a lot more popular with a lot more people. Keep them off the paths, that might help them build relationships with pedestrians.
In fact, if cyclists were not so SELFISH themselves, it would encourage more people to like them!
Perhaps some of them could use the chip they carry on their shoulder.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part. Selfish noisy devil.[/p][/quote]Selfish as in run a bike train encouraging more people to cycle.[/p][/quote]Get them to wear helmets, have lights on their bikes, get insurance, stop them using mobile phones and have a chip placed in the bike frame to trigger a fine in the post when they go through a red light and they would become a lot more popular with a lot more people. Keep them off the paths, that might help them build relationships with pedestrians. In fact, if cyclists were not so SELFISH themselves, it would encourage more people to like them![/p][/quote]Perhaps some of them could use the chip they carry on their shoulder. Sussex jim
  • Score: 4

6:47pm Sat 17 May 14

her professional says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part.
Selfish noisy devil.
Don't worry, you won't be able to hear him over the boy racers in their souped up motors, windows down and the bass turned up full.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I hope that annoying man with the speakers on the back of his bike blaring out music isn't taking part. Selfish noisy devil.[/p][/quote]Don't worry, you won't be able to hear him over the boy racers in their souped up motors, windows down and the bass turned up full. her professional
  • Score: -12

6:49pm Sat 17 May 14

her professional says...

p a t r i c k wrote:
I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself.

Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years.

Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.
Agreed. Meanwhile, the article about cyclists taking part in the South Downs Challenge to raise money for charity attracts no comments at all from this miserable self-centred bunch.
[quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself. Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years. Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Meanwhile, the article about cyclists taking part in the South Downs Challenge to raise money for charity attracts no comments at all from this miserable self-centred bunch. her professional
  • Score: -13

8:47pm Sat 17 May 14

RSKeith says...

Having set this event up - to encourage pedestrians and cyclists to be aware of each other in shared foot/cycle paths such as on upper prom where the event took palce - interested to see all comments. Facebook "Share the Roads, Brighton & Hove" encourages all road users to be aware of each other, use the Highway code and encourage considerate use of roads.
Currently competition to win i-pad mini on the site.
Thanks to ESFRS, Brighton Dance Flashmobs, Bike Hub, B&HCC Road Safety team colleagues and Police - who do enforce - for support
Having set this event up - to encourage pedestrians and cyclists to be aware of each other in shared foot/cycle paths such as on upper prom where the event took palce - interested to see all comments. Facebook "Share the Roads, Brighton & Hove" encourages all road users to be aware of each other, use the Highway code and encourage considerate use of roads. Currently competition to win i-pad mini on the site. Thanks to ESFRS, Brighton Dance Flashmobs, Bike Hub, B&HCC Road Safety team colleagues and Police - who do enforce - for support RSKeith
  • Score: -9

3:27am Sun 18 May 14

fredaj says...

RSKeith wrote:
Having set this event up - to encourage pedestrians and cyclists to be aware of each other in shared foot/cycle paths such as on upper prom where the event took palce - interested to see all comments. Facebook "Share the Roads, Brighton & Hove" encourages all road users to be aware of each other, use the Highway code and encourage considerate use of roads.
Currently competition to win i-pad mini on the site.
Thanks to ESFRS, Brighton Dance Flashmobs, Bike Hub, B&HCC Road Safety team colleagues and Police - who do enforce - for support
So it was a dance!

Got a link to a video of it?
[quote][p][bold]RSKeith[/bold] wrote: Having set this event up - to encourage pedestrians and cyclists to be aware of each other in shared foot/cycle paths such as on upper prom where the event took palce - interested to see all comments. Facebook "Share the Roads, Brighton & Hove" encourages all road users to be aware of each other, use the Highway code and encourage considerate use of roads. Currently competition to win i-pad mini on the site. Thanks to ESFRS, Brighton Dance Flashmobs, Bike Hub, B&HCC Road Safety team colleagues and Police - who do enforce - for support[/p][/quote]So it was a dance! Got a link to a video of it? fredaj
  • Score: 4

3:45pm Sun 18 May 14

To baldly go says...

her professional wrote:
p a t r i c k wrote:
I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself.

Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years.

Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.
Agreed. Meanwhile, the article about cyclists taking part in the South Downs Challenge to raise money for charity attracts no comments at all from this miserable self-centred bunch.
Brother-in-law competed in the south downs challenge, generously sponsored by myself, I would normally be in it myself as an avid mountain biker, but currently due to knee ligament trouble not allowed to cycle.
I take a broad look at what goes on in life, we all moan about what others are doing and forget to take a look at ourselves, every arguement from all sides can be backed up with stats/figures from here and there, videos on youtube being a good example, what aggravates most people is that most cyclists think they are holier than thou and are above the law, even though they flout most rules and make no contribution to the roads they use.
I cycle (when able too,) have a car and a motorbike, all used on the road and in all honesty, it is the cyclists that create the most controversy when I am out and about, they flout so many laws of the road yet moan the most about others, and I find THEM to be the most miserable self-centred bunch imo.
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p a t r i c k[/bold] wrote: I'm delighted to read of this event. If I'd known earlier I'd have gone along myself. Anything that can promote cycling is good. We have been seeing a great increase in cycling in Brighton & Hove and I look forward to this increase continuing over the forthcoming years. Cycling brings health benefits and a improved outlook on life. If the car drivers in this discussion took up cycling it would help stop them being such negative and miserable people.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Meanwhile, the article about cyclists taking part in the South Downs Challenge to raise money for charity attracts no comments at all from this miserable self-centred bunch.[/p][/quote]Brother-in-law competed in the south downs challenge, generously sponsored by myself, I would normally be in it myself as an avid mountain biker, but currently due to knee ligament trouble not allowed to cycle. I take a broad look at what goes on in life, we all moan about what others are doing and forget to take a look at ourselves, every arguement from all sides can be backed up with stats/figures from here and there, videos on youtube being a good example, what aggravates most people is that most cyclists think they are holier than thou and are above the law, even though they flout most rules and make no contribution to the roads they use. I cycle (when able too,) have a car and a motorbike, all used on the road and in all honesty, it is the cyclists that create the most controversy when I am out and about, they flout so many laws of the road yet moan the most about others, and I find THEM to be the most miserable self-centred bunch imo. To baldly go
  • Score: 1

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