UKIP euro candidate told to attend "equalities training"

UKIP euro candidate told to attend

UKIP euro candidate told to attend "equalities training"

First published in News by , local government reporter

A UKIP candidate who said traders should be allowed to refuse to serve whoever they like has been told she should attend “equalities training”.

Donna Edmunds, an MEP candidate and a Lewes District councillor, made the comments on an internet forum.

She said that “being a libertarian, I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight,should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever they chose whenever they chose. It’s their business. Why should they be forced to serve or sell to anyone?”

She later told The Argus she thought it would be OK for a business owner to refuse to serve someone for no other reason than being a woman or that owners should be allowed to refuse service to gay people.

The remarks drew fierce criticism with some labelling the comments as “horrendous”.

The EU parliamentary hopeful has now been advised to attend equality training by the council after a complaint.

But she said she will refuse to go, criticising the council for making the decision behind her back and not allowing her to put forward any defence.

She said the first time she heard about it was when she was told a panel meeting had taken place.

The council panel stated: “The panel recommends you attend equalities training for councillors to gain a better understanding of the council’s equality obligations.”

Coun Edmunds stood by her original comments.

She said: “I believe a Jewish person should be able to refuse to serve a neo-Nazi but the rules have to apply equally to everyone. I’m not condoning any discrimination of anyone.”

In an email sent to Catherine Knight, assistant director of corporate services at Lewes District Council, she added: “I am perfectly happy and content that I have not broken any equality legislation. I see no need for any ‘training’.

“I will not be attending equality training – or, as I call it – indoctrination. I will consider any further attempt by the council to make me attend to be nothing short of bullying. We do not live in a fascist state quite yet.”

The Barcombe and Hamsey councillor also confirmed she had launched an official complaint against the council over a press release on the initial comments.

A council spokesman said: “As a matter of course, the council offers regular training – including equalities training – to both staff and councillors. Whilst we strongly urge all councillors to attend the training provided, it is a matter for each individual councillor to decide what courses they go to.”

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8:13am Thu 22 May 14

LB says...

"We do not live in a fascist state quite yet.”

But Nigel's doing his best to get us there...
"We do not live in a fascist state quite yet.” But Nigel's doing his best to get us there... LB
  • Score: -8

8:14am Thu 22 May 14

leftysmellbags says...

Equality Meeting - You just cant make it up. What ever happened to our freedom of speech.
Equality Meeting - You just cant make it up. What ever happened to our freedom of speech. leftysmellbags
  • Score: 19

8:16am Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them...

Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.
So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them... Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response. Skidrow
  • Score: -13

8:26am Thu 22 May 14

hoveguyactually says...

She is absolutely right. It is sickening how the thought police dictate how we should behave. We should not be forced to have any relationship with people for whom we have no respect. These anti-UKIP protestors would like to see free speech abandoned, so that they can promote their own narrow minded ideas. Not for them actually debate, but just yobbo yelling. Ironically they are the new fascists, not UKIP. How proud Hitler and Franco would be of them.
She is absolutely right. It is sickening how the thought police dictate how we should behave. We should not be forced to have any relationship with people for whom we have no respect. These anti-UKIP protestors would like to see free speech abandoned, so that they can promote their own narrow minded ideas. Not for them actually debate, but just yobbo yelling. Ironically they are the new fascists, not UKIP. How proud Hitler and Franco would be of them. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 21

8:36am Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

Skidrow wrote:
So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them...

Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.
The party of local shops for local people funded by greedy people who ripped off the local people!
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them... Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.[/p][/quote]The party of local shops for local people funded by greedy people who ripped off the local people! HJarrs
  • Score: -23

8:45am Thu 22 May 14

raymondo999 says...

She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!!
She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!! raymondo999
  • Score: -6

8:57am Thu 22 May 14

HJarrs says...

raymondo999 wrote:
She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!!
She is a typical libaterian, it is the doctrine of the powerful to do what they want without consideration of others.
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!![/p][/quote]She is a typical libaterian, it is the doctrine of the powerful to do what they want without consideration of others. HJarrs
  • Score: -16

9:11am Thu 22 May 14

allykatz says...

We are free to think as we wish even if that means offending some people with our actions and thoughts. Exactly what are the re percussions of being offended ? This is becoming ridiculous

And ps regarding UKIPs recent statement, even the Romanian Mafia have told their countryfolk in Europe to stop thieving as they are giving the country a bad name. Don't believe the hype UKIP is being dragged down in a barrage of lies and hype, and this is coming from a Tory supporter and Maggie admirer I do believe in a level playing field though.

I went to a European School for five years and can say categorically you can generalise to an extent.
We are free to think as we wish even if that means offending some people with our actions and thoughts. Exactly what are the re percussions of being offended ? This is becoming ridiculous And ps regarding UKIPs recent statement, even the Romanian Mafia have told their countryfolk in Europe to stop thieving as they are giving the country a bad name. Don't believe the hype UKIP is being dragged down in a barrage of lies and hype, and this is coming from a Tory supporter and Maggie admirer I do believe in a level playing field though. I went to a European School for five years and can say categorically you can generalise to an extent. allykatz
  • Score: 8

10:47am Thu 22 May 14

pachallis says...

@HJarrs - yet again you are doing absolutely no good in helping the cause of your beloved green party by continuing to spout your extreme left-wing anti-capitalist anti-'every other party' drive on these boards.

Yet again the negative responses are building up - you almost seem like a troll for UKIP!

If you really want to encourage support for the greens maybe either just 'shut up' or say something positive about what the green party would do? You know like expelling Christians from the party who disagree with same-sex marriages, or demanding all Brighton & Hove Councillors attend equality education/brain-wash
ing sessions.
@HJarrs - yet again you are doing absolutely no good in helping the cause of your beloved green party by continuing to spout your extreme left-wing anti-capitalist anti-'every other party' drive on these boards. Yet again the negative responses are building up - you almost seem like a troll for UKIP! If you really want to encourage support for the greens maybe either just 'shut up' or say something positive about what the green party would do? You know like expelling Christians from the party who disagree with same-sex marriages, or demanding all Brighton & Hove Councillors attend equality education/brain-wash ing sessions. pachallis
  • Score: 7

10:58am Thu 22 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

Good for her. What patronising drivel. "Equalities training" my ar5e. I've been to such Orwellian events, and basically it boils down to "White man bad. All others good." Equality used to mean "Equality of access", a very good thing, now it means "Equality of results", which means the figures are fiddled, and totally unqualified people are let loose on jobs that they are not in the least bit qualified for. I also note in yesterday's Guardian, after weeks of demonising UKIP and Nigel Farage (he's a Nartsy Facist Waycist Who Wants To Send All Foreigners To The Gas Chambers Innit?), now that UKIP look like they'll do well today, the Euro elections are "staggeringly irrelevant" http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2014/may/21/forget-
ukip-and-staggeringl
y-irrelevant-europea
n-elections Sour grapes?
Good for her. What patronising drivel. "Equalities training" my ar5e. I've been to such Orwellian events, and basically it boils down to "White man bad. All others good." Equality used to mean "Equality of access", a very good thing, now it means "Equality of results", which means the figures are fiddled, and totally unqualified people are let loose on jobs that they are not in the least bit qualified for. I also note in yesterday's Guardian, after weeks of demonising UKIP and Nigel Farage (he's a Nartsy Facist Waycist Who Wants To Send All Foreigners To The Gas Chambers Innit?), now that UKIP look like they'll do well today, the Euro elections are "staggeringly irrelevant" http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/21/forget- ukip-and-staggeringl y-irrelevant-europea n-elections Sour grapes? PorkyChopper
  • Score: 17

10:59am Thu 22 May 14

mimseycal says...

HJarrs wrote:
raymondo999 wrote:
She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!!
She is a typical libaterian, it is the doctrine of the powerful to do what they want without consideration of others.
You really need to spend some more time studying the principles of Libertarianism. It is far from being the doctrine of the powerful to do what they want without consideration of others. The sole measure for the rightness of an action, or inaction for that matter, is that it should not impede on the rights of anyone else to act, or refuse to act.

Having said that, I agree that Libertarianism as a creed is not appropriate within our time and place but that is more because too few people are morally and emotionally mature enough to deal with the responsibility that Libertarianism requires.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!![/p][/quote]She is a typical libaterian, it is the doctrine of the powerful to do what they want without consideration of others.[/p][/quote]You really need to spend some more time studying the principles of Libertarianism. It is far from being the doctrine of the powerful to do what they want without consideration of others. The sole measure for the rightness of an action, or inaction for that matter, is that it should not impede on the rights of anyone else to act, or refuse to act. Having said that, I agree that Libertarianism as a creed is not appropriate within our time and place but that is more because too few people are morally and emotionally mature enough to deal with the responsibility that Libertarianism requires. mimseycal
  • Score: 8

11:02am Thu 22 May 14

mimseycal says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
She is absolutely right. It is sickening how the thought police dictate how we should behave. We should not be forced to have any relationship with people for whom we have no respect. These anti-UKIP protestors would like to see free speech abandoned, so that they can promote their own narrow minded ideas. Not for them actually debate, but just yobbo yelling. Ironically they are the new fascists, not UKIP. How proud Hitler and Franco would be of them.
Equality Training is the weapon of choice ... Personally I am all for accepting people, or not, for what they do rather then what they are. I don't think that equality training actually teaches that.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: She is absolutely right. It is sickening how the thought police dictate how we should behave. We should not be forced to have any relationship with people for whom we have no respect. These anti-UKIP protestors would like to see free speech abandoned, so that they can promote their own narrow minded ideas. Not for them actually debate, but just yobbo yelling. Ironically they are the new fascists, not UKIP. How proud Hitler and Franco would be of them.[/p][/quote]Equality Training is the weapon of choice ... Personally I am all for accepting people, or not, for what they do rather then what they are. I don't think that equality training actually teaches that. mimseycal
  • Score: 18

11:08am Thu 22 May 14

mimseycal says...

raymondo999 wrote:
She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!!
Actually ... far from thick. She is basically stating that shopkeepers should be free to put their money where their mouth is. In other words, refuse to serve people ... which basically means they won't be making any profit from that transaction.

It will then be up to the rest of us to either agree or disagree with the shopkeeper. Refuse to serve someone because they are a white, working class male say ... we refuse to shop somewhere where a white working class male isn't welcome to spend his money ... Shopkeeper ends up losing his/her business ... end of story. The next shopkeeper will think twice before refusing to serve a white working class male.
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!![/p][/quote]Actually ... far from thick. She is basically stating that shopkeepers should be free to put their money where their mouth is. In other words, refuse to serve people ... which basically means they won't be making any profit from that transaction. It will then be up to the rest of us to either agree or disagree with the shopkeeper. Refuse to serve someone because they are a white, working class male say ... we refuse to shop somewhere where a white working class male isn't welcome to spend his money ... Shopkeeper ends up losing his/her business ... end of story. The next shopkeeper will think twice before refusing to serve a white working class male. mimseycal
  • Score: 12

11:24am Thu 22 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

mimseycal wrote:
raymondo999 wrote:
She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!!
Actually ... far from thick. She is basically stating that shopkeepers should be free to put their money where their mouth is. In other words, refuse to serve people ... which basically means they won't be making any profit from that transaction.

It will then be up to the rest of us to either agree or disagree with the shopkeeper. Refuse to serve someone because they are a white, working class male say ... we refuse to shop somewhere where a white working class male isn't welcome to spend his money ... Shopkeeper ends up losing his/her business ... end of story. The next shopkeeper will think twice before refusing to serve a white working class male.
Absolutely. Why would someone want to shop somewhere where they are not welcome? Instead of kicking up a stink and demanding you be served by that establishment, then find an establishment where you are welcome.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: She doesn't condone discrimination but thinks it's ok to refuse to serve someone on grounds of gender, race, religion etc etc. what a complete thicko!!!![/p][/quote]Actually ... far from thick. She is basically stating that shopkeepers should be free to put their money where their mouth is. In other words, refuse to serve people ... which basically means they won't be making any profit from that transaction. It will then be up to the rest of us to either agree or disagree with the shopkeeper. Refuse to serve someone because they are a white, working class male say ... we refuse to shop somewhere where a white working class male isn't welcome to spend his money ... Shopkeeper ends up losing his/her business ... end of story. The next shopkeeper will think twice before refusing to serve a white working class male.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Why would someone want to shop somewhere where they are not welcome? Instead of kicking up a stink and demanding you be served by that establishment, then find an establishment where you are welcome. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 11

11:56am Thu 22 May 14

mimseycal says...

allykatz wrote:
We are free to think as we wish even if that means offending some people with our actions and thoughts. Exactly what are the re percussions of being offended ? This is becoming ridiculous

And ps regarding UKIPs recent statement, even the Romanian Mafia have told their countryfolk in Europe to stop thieving as they are giving the country a bad name. Don't believe the hype UKIP is being dragged down in a barrage of lies and hype, and this is coming from a Tory supporter and Maggie admirer I do believe in a level playing field though.

I went to a European School for five years and can say categorically you can generalise to an extent.
Matters are somewhat different, or rather they were somewhat different in mainland Europe. Where I spend a lot of my younger years we were held to personal accountability for our words and actions. You could say whatever provided you could justify what you said with more then just personal conviction.

Some native born and bred English women are mothers as a statement can be evidenced by looking at birth records.
All native born and bred English are mothers as a statement cannot be evidenced by looking at birth records.

The first statement as a generalisation is allowable, the second is not.

Some criminals following release after serving their sentence will re-offend within a year of release.
Most criminals following release after serving their sentence will re-offend within a year of release.

Again, the first statement can be justified by looking at proven re-offending statistics produced by the Ministry of Justice.
The second statement cannot be justified by looking at proven re-offending statistics produced by the Ministry of Justice.

So again, the first statement as a generalisation is allowable, the second is not.

As for whether or not Farages' statement regarding potential Rumanian neighbours is either justified by the rumblings of an alleged Rumanian Mafia or advisable ... considering that the EU Elections is the only election in the UK that EU migrants can take part in, it was certainly a stupid time to make it what with just days to go before said elections. Something Farage knows full well hence his attempt to withdraw the statement by claiming fatigue the following day.

Which makes me wonder whether I really want someone to represent me in Europe who is that prone to foot in mouth disease when under pressure.
[quote][p][bold]allykatz[/bold] wrote: We are free to think as we wish even if that means offending some people with our actions and thoughts. Exactly what are the re percussions of being offended ? This is becoming ridiculous And ps regarding UKIPs recent statement, even the Romanian Mafia have told their countryfolk in Europe to stop thieving as they are giving the country a bad name. Don't believe the hype UKIP is being dragged down in a barrage of lies and hype, and this is coming from a Tory supporter and Maggie admirer I do believe in a level playing field though. I went to a European School for five years and can say categorically you can generalise to an extent.[/p][/quote]Matters are somewhat different, or rather they were somewhat different in mainland Europe. Where I spend a lot of my younger years we were held to personal accountability for our words and actions. You could say whatever provided you could justify what you said with more then just personal conviction. Some native born and bred English women are mothers as a statement can be evidenced by looking at birth records. All native born and bred English are mothers as a statement cannot be evidenced by looking at birth records. The first statement as a generalisation is allowable, the second is not. Some criminals following release after serving their sentence will re-offend within a year of release. Most criminals following release after serving their sentence will re-offend within a year of release. Again, the first statement can be justified by looking at proven re-offending statistics produced by the Ministry of Justice. The second statement cannot be justified by looking at proven re-offending statistics produced by the Ministry of Justice. So again, the first statement as a generalisation is allowable, the second is not. As for whether or not Farages' statement regarding potential Rumanian neighbours is either justified by the rumblings of an alleged Rumanian Mafia or advisable ... considering that the EU Elections is the only election in the UK that EU migrants can take part in, it was certainly a stupid time to make it what with just days to go before said elections. Something Farage knows full well hence his attempt to withdraw the statement by claiming fatigue the following day. Which makes me wonder whether I really want someone to represent me in Europe who is that prone to foot in mouth disease when under pressure. mimseycal
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"equalities training" = 'brain-washing'.

How very Nazi of them.....

People should be free to say and do what they like with regard to race, religion, orientation, age etc as long as no harm comes to others.

After all, as has been pointed out, if I don't want to buy things from shops owned by foreigners, I have the right not to do so. Why can't that shopkeeper also have the right not to serve me due to my nationality?
"equalities training" = 'brain-washing'. How very Nazi of them..... People should be free to say and do what they like with regard to race, religion, orientation, age etc as long as no harm comes to others. After all, as has been pointed out, if I don't want to buy things from shops owned by foreigners, I have the right not to do so. Why can't that shopkeeper also have the right not to serve me due to my nationality? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Skidrow wrote:
So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them...

Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.
Well if you make stupid comments based on ignorance and prejudice, then people WILL tear your posts apart.



Or do you get off on all that?
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them... Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.[/p][/quote]Well if you make stupid comments based on ignorance and prejudice, then people WILL tear your posts apart. Or do you get off on all that? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

1:48pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Skidrow wrote: So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them... Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.
Well if you make stupid comments based on ignorance and prejudice, then people WILL tear your posts apart. Or do you get off on all that?
Looking at yours from 1.01, I assume you are being funny?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: So what's next? Regionalisation? Should people from Hamsey be allowed to trade or even speak with people form Barcombe? UKIP just wants a bigger version of the League of Gentlemen's Local shop for local people. Look at the fruitcakes and self publicists it attracts as candidates. I do wonder why they want to get on the euro gravy train when they oppose it so vehemently. You know it makes sense to vote, but not for them... Thank you in advance for the personal abuse and opaque statistics about to be spewed in response.[/p][/quote]Well if you make stupid comments based on ignorance and prejudice, then people WILL tear your posts apart. Or do you get off on all that?[/p][/quote]Looking at yours from 1.01, I assume you are being funny? Skidrow
  • Score: -2

1:57pm Thu 22 May 14

mimseycal says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
"equalities training" = 'brain-washing'.

How very Nazi of them.....

People should be free to say and do what they like with regard to race, religion, orientation, age etc as long as no harm comes to others.

After all, as has been pointed out, if I don't want to buy things from shops owned by foreigners, I have the right not to do so. Why can't that shopkeeper also have the right not to serve me due to my nationality?
You've never heard of Godwin's Law I take it ...
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: "equalities training" = 'brain-washing'. How very Nazi of them..... People should be free to say and do what they like with regard to race, religion, orientation, age etc as long as no harm comes to others. After all, as has been pointed out, if I don't want to buy things from shops owned by foreigners, I have the right not to do so. Why can't that shopkeeper also have the right not to serve me due to my nationality?[/p][/quote]You've never heard of Godwin's Law I take it ... mimseycal
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"You've never heard of Godwin's Law I take it ..."

Feel free to explain how it applies in my comment.

"Looking at yours from 1.01, I assume you are being funny?"

Feel free to discuss the content of my posts any time you like, but I would advise you to bring intelligence and knowledge to the table.
"You've never heard of Godwin's Law I take it ..." Feel free to explain how it applies in my comment. "Looking at yours from 1.01, I assume you are being funny?" Feel free to discuss the content of my posts any time you like, but I would advise you to bring intelligence and knowledge to the table. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -5

2:58pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.
Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer. Skidrow
  • Score: 0

3:15pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Skidrow wrote:
Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.
She got elected due to her comments on cancer?

That implies the public were generally supportive.

What exactly did she about someone's cancer?
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.[/p][/quote]She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer? ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

How about a basic knowledge of how democracy works. The council is responsible to a certain extent for the pronouncements of its councillors. Where they pronounce in a clearly unacceptable manner, the Council protects its funds from litigation by doing all it can to educate self publicist and really quite nasty coucillors. Obviously if they won't attend, the council has done what it can & said councililor is told you are on their own mate.

Not quite Nazi nor Brainwashing. Hurt to others if you need it explaining is the risk their council tax is put at.
How about a basic knowledge of how democracy works. The council is responsible to a certain extent for the pronouncements of its councillors. Where they pronounce in a clearly unacceptable manner, the Council protects its funds from litigation by doing all it can to educate self publicist and really quite nasty coucillors. Obviously if they won't attend, the council has done what it can & said councililor is told you are on their own mate. Not quite Nazi nor Brainwashing. Hurt to others if you need it explaining is the risk their council tax is put at. Skidrow
  • Score: -3

3:28pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Skidrow wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.
She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer?
Look it up lazybones. She made the remarks after she got elected, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.[/p][/quote]She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer?[/p][/quote]Look it up lazybones. She made the remarks after she got elected, obviously. Skidrow
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3:29pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

looks like the intelligence and knowledge are in short supply today...
looks like the intelligence and knowledge are in short supply today... Skidrow
  • Score: -1

3:35pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Skidrow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Skidrow wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.
She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer?
Look it up lazybones. She made the remarks after she got elected, obviously.
Not according to you.

You asked us to examine how she got elected.

"looks like the intelligence and knowledge are in short supply today..."

You struggle every day.

Let's just accept you've realised that she didn't attack anyone's cancer, and that you were lying when you claimed she had.
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.[/p][/quote]She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer?[/p][/quote]Look it up lazybones. She made the remarks after she got elected, obviously.[/p][/quote]Not according to you. You asked us to examine how she got elected. "looks like the intelligence and knowledge are in short supply today..." You struggle every day. Let's just accept you've realised that she didn't attack anyone's cancer, and that you were lying when you claimed she had. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -1

3:51pm Thu 22 May 14

DistinctLackOfGravitas says...

Funny how all the UKIP supporters are all pro-free speech here, when not one week ago their party was trying to censor some fact-checking of their policies on Twitter:
http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/may/12/police-ask-b
logger-remove-legiti
mate-tweet-ukip
Funny how all the UKIP supporters are all pro-free speech here, when not one week ago their party was trying to censor some fact-checking of their policies on Twitter: http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/12/police-ask-b logger-remove-legiti mate-tweet-ukip DistinctLackOfGravitas
  • Score: 1

4:05pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

DistinctLackOfGravit
as
wrote:
Funny how all the UKIP supporters are all pro-free speech here, when not one week ago their party was trying to censor some fact-checking of their policies on Twitter:
http://www.theguardi

an.com/politics/2014

/may/12/police-ask-b

logger-remove-legiti

mate-tweet-ukip
UKIP did NOT ask that tweets be removed.

A UKIP member merely asked the police to investigate a possible offence with regard to impersonation of a political party.

Try and get your facts straight, especially those contained in your own links.
[quote][p][bold]DistinctLackOfGravit as[/bold] wrote: Funny how all the UKIP supporters are all pro-free speech here, when not one week ago their party was trying to censor some fact-checking of their policies on Twitter: http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /may/12/police-ask-b logger-remove-legiti mate-tweet-ukip[/p][/quote]UKIP did NOT ask that tweets be removed. A UKIP member merely asked the police to investigate a possible offence with regard to impersonation of a political party. Try and get your facts straight, especially those contained in your own links. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -2

5:10pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Skidrow wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Skidrow wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.
She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer?
Look it up lazybones. She made the remarks after she got elected, obviously.
Not according to you.

You asked us to examine how she got elected.

"looks like the intelligence and knowledge are in short supply today..."

You struggle every day.

Let's just accept you've realised that she didn't attack anyone's cancer, and that you were lying when you claimed she had.
No, lets not accept your bullsh*t, you haven't looked it up have you? All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over.

She got elected as a tory and jumped ship to UKIP when her views got too distasteful even for them. Bee Gee you are UKIPs equivalent of H Jarrs.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Anyone recall how this fruitcake got elected in the first place? Wasn't she the tory councillor who had the whip withdrawn for a very unkind and tasteless comment in a public debate about a protagonists cancer? Didn't like that so became a UKIPPer.[/p][/quote]She got elected due to her comments on cancer? That implies the public were generally supportive. What exactly did she about someone's cancer?[/p][/quote]Look it up lazybones. She made the remarks after she got elected, obviously.[/p][/quote]Not according to you. You asked us to examine how she got elected. "looks like the intelligence and knowledge are in short supply today..." You struggle every day. Let's just accept you've realised that she didn't attack anyone's cancer, and that you were lying when you claimed she had.[/p][/quote]No, lets not accept your bullsh*t, you haven't looked it up have you? All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over. She got elected as a tory and jumped ship to UKIP when her views got too distasteful even for them. Bee Gee you are UKIPs equivalent of H Jarrs. Skidrow
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

Liar am I?

Lewes Forum - Councillor Donna Edmunds
www.lewes.co.uk/foru
m/post/Councillor+Do
nna+Edmunds/95868
21 Dec 2013 - 19 posts - ‎12 authors
Our favourite Tory, Donna Edmunds has won an award from Private Eye for her "die of cancer" Tweet earlier this year (please see page 11 of ...
Liar am I? Lewes Forum - Councillor Donna Edmunds www.lewes.co.uk/foru m/post/Councillor+Do nna+Edmunds/95868 21 Dec 2013 - 19 posts - ‎12 authors Our favourite Tory, Donna Edmunds has won an award from Private Eye for her "die of cancer" Tweet earlier this year (please see page 11 of ... Skidrow
  • Score: 1

5:42pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Skidrow wrote:
Liar am I?

Lewes Forum - Councillor Donna Edmunds
www.lewes.co.uk/foru

m/post/Councillor+Do

nna+Edmunds/95868
21 Dec 2013 - 19 posts - ‎12 authors
Our favourite Tory, Donna Edmunds has won an award from Private Eye for her "die of cancer" Tweet earlier this year (please see page 11 of ...
Wow, look how desperate you are!

She didn't make a 'die of cancer' comment to anyone. She told someone who was arguing with her about a tax on tobacco to "pay your taxes to die of cancer if that's what you want" , which suggests he was making stupid comments on the matter. The fact that also referred to him as being 'the village idiot' supports that.

Her comment may have been in bad taste, but she was clearly making a point.

So she wasn't talking about his cancer, like you claimed, and therefore you lied about her.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Liar am I? Lewes Forum - Councillor Donna Edmunds www.lewes.co.uk/foru m/post/Councillor+Do nna+Edmunds/95868 21 Dec 2013 - 19 posts - ‎12 authors Our favourite Tory, Donna Edmunds has won an award from Private Eye for her "die of cancer" Tweet earlier this year (please see page 11 of ...[/p][/quote]Wow, look how desperate you are! She didn't make a 'die of cancer' comment to anyone. She told someone who was arguing with her about a tax on tobacco to "pay your taxes to die of cancer if that's what you want" , which suggests he was making stupid comments on the matter. The fact that also referred to him as being 'the village idiot' supports that. Her comment may have been in bad taste, but she was clearly making a point. So she wasn't talking about his cancer, like you claimed, and therefore you lied about her. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

" All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over."

I don't post on behalf of UKIP, so my posts cannot possibly be 'UKIP all over'. It's yet another case of the party being blamed and responsible for comments posted by those who support it.
" All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over." I don't post on behalf of UKIP, so my posts cannot possibly be 'UKIP all over'. It's yet another case of the party being blamed and responsible for comments posted by those who support it. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Skidrow wrote:
Liar am I?

Lewes Forum - Councillor Donna Edmunds
www.lewes.co.uk/foru


m/post/Councillor+Do


nna+Edmunds/95868
21 Dec 2013 - 19 posts - ‎12 authors
Our favourite Tory, Donna Edmunds has won an award from Private Eye for her "die of cancer" Tweet earlier this year (please see page 11 of ...
Wow, look how desperate you are!

She didn't make a 'die of cancer' comment to anyone. She told someone who was arguing with her about a tax on tobacco to "pay your taxes to die of cancer if that's what you want" , which suggests he was making stupid comments on the matter. The fact that also referred to him as being 'the village idiot' supports that.

Her comment may have been in bad taste, but she was clearly making a point.

So she wasn't talking about his cancer, like you claimed, and therefore you lied about her.

HTH
Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. The words are there to be read. As for your risible claim not to be posting on behalf of UKIP, I haven't laughed so much since I saw the gay one the other day married to a Belgian! Out of Europe but lets all marry Europeans. Makes sense...
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: Liar am I? Lewes Forum - Councillor Donna Edmunds www.lewes.co.uk/foru m/post/Councillor+Do nna+Edmunds/95868 21 Dec 2013 - 19 posts - ‎12 authors Our favourite Tory, Donna Edmunds has won an award from Private Eye for her "die of cancer" Tweet earlier this year (please see page 11 of ...[/p][/quote]Wow, look how desperate you are! She didn't make a 'die of cancer' comment to anyone. She told someone who was arguing with her about a tax on tobacco to "pay your taxes to die of cancer if that's what you want" , which suggests he was making stupid comments on the matter. The fact that also referred to him as being 'the village idiot' supports that. Her comment may have been in bad taste, but she was clearly making a point. So she wasn't talking about his cancer, like you claimed, and therefore you lied about her. HTH[/p][/quote]Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. The words are there to be read. As for your risible claim not to be posting on behalf of UKIP, I haven't laughed so much since I saw the gay one the other day married to a Belgian! Out of Europe but lets all marry Europeans. Makes sense... Skidrow
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Thu 22 May 14

mimseycal says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
" All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over."

I don't post on behalf of UKIP, so my posts cannot possibly be 'UKIP all over'. It's yet another case of the party being blamed and responsible for comments posted by those who support it.
A man is known by the company he seeks. This holds ever true when it comes to the adherents of a political party.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: " All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over." I don't post on behalf of UKIP, so my posts cannot possibly be 'UKIP all over'. It's yet another case of the party being blamed and responsible for comments posted by those who support it.[/p][/quote]A man is known by the company he seeks. This holds ever true when it comes to the adherents of a political party. mimseycal
  • Score: -1

6:31pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mimseycal wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
" All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over."

I don't post on behalf of UKIP, so my posts cannot possibly be 'UKIP all over'. It's yet another case of the party being blamed and responsible for comments posted by those who support it.
A man is known by the company he seeks. This holds ever true when it comes to the adherents of a political party.
So every LibDem voter is a paedophile/sexual pervert?

Get a grip, ffs.......
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: " All assertion & no facts. UKIP all over." I don't post on behalf of UKIP, so my posts cannot possibly be 'UKIP all over'. It's yet another case of the party being blamed and responsible for comments posted by those who support it.[/p][/quote]A man is known by the company he seeks. This holds ever true when it comes to the adherents of a political party.[/p][/quote]So every LibDem voter is a paedophile/sexual pervert? Get a grip, ffs....... ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

6:32pm Thu 22 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

"The words are there to be read."

I know, and they proved you were lying.
"The words are there to be read." I know, and they proved you were lying. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

11:03pm Thu 22 May 14

Skidrow says...

No, they proved you didn't know anything about the candidate you blindly rushed to defend. Donna says someone is a village idiot so it must be true? Get some opinions of your own. Or won't Nige let you have any?

That's all for now, going fishing tomorrow.
No, they proved you didn't know anything about the candidate you blindly rushed to defend. Donna says someone is a village idiot so it must be true? Get some opinions of your own. Or won't Nige let you have any? That's all for now, going fishing tomorrow. Skidrow
  • Score: 1

1:20am Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Skidrow wrote:
No, they proved you didn't know anything about the candidate you blindly rushed to defend. Donna says someone is a village idiot so it must be true? Get some opinions of your own. Or won't Nige let you have any?

That's all for now, going fishing tomorrow.
Well, if Donna was forced to point that out to him, the guy is clearly stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Skidrow[/bold] wrote: No, they proved you didn't know anything about the candidate you blindly rushed to defend. Donna says someone is a village idiot so it must be true? Get some opinions of your own. Or won't Nige let you have any? That's all for now, going fishing tomorrow.[/p][/quote]Well, if Donna was forced to point that out to him, the guy is clearly stupid. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

1:55am Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Shitrow stated:

"Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. "

It's called 'accuracy'......obvi
ously an alien concept to you.
Shitrow stated: "Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. " It's called 'accuracy'......obvi ously an alien concept to you. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 1

7:27am Fri 23 May 14

HJarrs says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Shitrow stated:

"Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. "

It's called 'accuracy'......obvi

ously an alien concept to you.
What is UKIPs policy on animal rights and why did it vote against an EU ban on ivory imports to help stem the demise the elephant in the wild?
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Shitrow stated: "Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. " It's called 'accuracy'......obvi ously an alien concept to you.[/p][/quote]What is UKIPs policy on animal rights and why did it vote against an EU ban on ivory imports to help stem the demise the elephant in the wild? HJarrs
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

HJarrs wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Shitrow stated:

"Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. "

It's called 'accuracy'......obvi


ously an alien concept to you.
What is UKIPs policy on animal rights and why did it vote against an EU ban on ivory imports to help stem the demise the elephant in the wild?
As far as I'm aware, UKIP supports animal welfare laws.

Its MEPs vote against all EU laws, and it's clear that yo have no idea what UKIP is. It is opposed to ANY legislation being imposed upon member states. There was already a total Europe-wide ban on ivory trade BEFORE the EU created that legislation, a band that UKIP supports.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Shitrow stated: "Splitting hairs Bee Gee, splitting hairs. " It's called 'accuracy'......obvi ously an alien concept to you.[/p][/quote]What is UKIPs policy on animal rights and why did it vote against an EU ban on ivory imports to help stem the demise the elephant in the wild?[/p][/quote]As far as I'm aware, UKIP supports animal welfare laws. Its MEPs vote against all EU laws, and it's clear that yo have no idea what UKIP is. It is opposed to ANY legislation being imposed upon member states. There was already a total Europe-wide ban on ivory trade BEFORE the EU created that legislation, a band that UKIP supports. HTH ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

12:49pm Fri 23 May 14

mimseycal says...

Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.
Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace. mimseycal
  • Score: 0

2:59pm Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mimseycal wrote:
Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.
Getting out of the EU will benefit ALL Britons.

The EU Parliament is a front designed to convince the gullible that the EU is a democratic institution.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.[/p][/quote]Getting out of the EU will benefit ALL Britons. The EU Parliament is a front designed to convince the gullible that the EU is a democratic institution. ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Fri 23 May 14

mimseycal says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.
Getting out of the EU will benefit ALL Britons.

The EU Parliament is a front designed to convince the gullible that the EU is a democratic institution.
Well, we will have to differ on that. I don't think that getting out of Europe will do anything but marginalise the UK as the second rate hanger on it really is ...

But that was not the substance of my post. My post referred to the fact that voting against everything while we are in the EU, on nothing but a principle is not giving due consideration to the population of Britain but putting the party before the populace ...
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.[/p][/quote]Getting out of the EU will benefit ALL Britons. The EU Parliament is a front designed to convince the gullible that the EU is a democratic institution.[/p][/quote]Well, we will have to differ on that. I don't think that getting out of Europe will do anything but marginalise the UK as the second rate hanger on it really is ... But that was not the substance of my post. My post referred to the fact that voting against everything while we are in the EU, on nothing but a principle is not giving due consideration to the population of Britain but putting the party before the populace ... mimseycal
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Fri 23 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

mimseycal wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.
Getting out of the EU will benefit ALL Britons.

The EU Parliament is a front designed to convince the gullible that the EU is a democratic institution.
Well, we will have to differ on that. I don't think that getting out of Europe will do anything but marginalise the UK as the second rate hanger on it really is ...

But that was not the substance of my post. My post referred to the fact that voting against everything while we are in the EU, on nothing but a principle is not giving due consideration to the population of Britain but putting the party before the populace ...
People who vote UKIP know that it is opposed to the very existence of the EU, and that by abstaining or voting against proposals, UKIP is demonstrating the feelings of eurosceptics across the Continent.

Yo seem to think that the world outside Europe doesn''t exist, that the UK will become a back-water upon leaving, and that being a back-water is somehow a bad thing.

You are mistaken on all three.

The world is waiting for us. We are already a member of one of the world largest associations (The Commonwealth) which not only do we lead but which contains thrusting economies like Australia, India and Canada. Further, we currently enjoy a trade deficit with the EU - do you really think that German cars won't be sold here should we leave?

And being a back-water (which won't happen anyway) would be a wonderful thing. We wouldn't be as attractive to the rest of the world, for a start, which means that our population might be restored to its pre-war levels within a couple of centuries and hopefully much sooner. There are simply too many people living here.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Voting against all proposed votes, regardless of what their content is, is not doing England any good. But then there you go, we should be used to politicians who put party before the interests of the populace.[/p][/quote]Getting out of the EU will benefit ALL Britons. The EU Parliament is a front designed to convince the gullible that the EU is a democratic institution.[/p][/quote]Well, we will have to differ on that. I don't think that getting out of Europe will do anything but marginalise the UK as the second rate hanger on it really is ... But that was not the substance of my post. My post referred to the fact that voting against everything while we are in the EU, on nothing but a principle is not giving due consideration to the population of Britain but putting the party before the populace ...[/p][/quote]People who vote UKIP know that it is opposed to the very existence of the EU, and that by abstaining or voting against proposals, UKIP is demonstrating the feelings of eurosceptics across the Continent. Yo seem to think that the world outside Europe doesn''t exist, that the UK will become a back-water upon leaving, and that being a back-water is somehow a bad thing. You are mistaken on all three. The world is waiting for us. We are already a member of one of the world largest associations (The Commonwealth) which not only do we lead but which contains thrusting economies like Australia, India and Canada. Further, we currently enjoy a trade deficit with the EU - do you really think that German cars won't be sold here should we leave? And being a back-water (which won't happen anyway) would be a wonderful thing. We wouldn't be as attractive to the rest of the world, for a start, which means that our population might be restored to its pre-war levels within a couple of centuries and hopefully much sooner. There are simply too many people living here. ZeeGee, ffs
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