Labour celebrates after gains in local elections

Labour celebrates after gains in local elections

Labour celebrates after gains in local elections

First published in News by , local government reporter

THIS year’s local elections have generated more debate and hype than for many years. Coupled with the European elections, thousands of people turned out in voting booths across the county to decide who they wanted to represent them on their local council and in Europe’s parliament.

With Labour hoping for big gains going into the 2015 general election and UKIP promising a “political earthquake”, local government reporter MICHAEL DAVIES was at the official counts in Crawley and Adur and Worthing to see what happened.

THE 2014 local elections could go down as the year Labour showed they could win in the South East after the party took back control of Crawley Borough Council from the Conservatives and added a councillor to their group in Hastings.

With the shadow of next year’s general election looming over the local and European elections this year the early signs were good for the Labour group after an overnight count for Hastings Borough Council showed they had increased its number of councillors to 24 compared to the Tories’ eight.

The party had extra reason to celebrate after polling results showed they had picked up increased support from the Tories even in seats they didn’t win.

Some wards saw a swing of close to 10% to the Labour group.

It was mixed night for the UK Independence Party, which saw a significant portion of the votes come their way but not enough to stop them losing their only councillor.

Following the result the Labour group took to Twitter to announce their victory.

They wrote: “Hastings Borough Council is now made up of 24 Labour councillors and 8 Conservatives - key general election seat held by the Tories.”

Jeremy Birch, leader of Hastings Borough Council, added: “Labour has done very well. It has the majority of the popular vote in the town. It's a very good bedrock to build upon.”

But the main focus at yesterday’s count and results was squarely on Crawley, which has been picked out as a key parliamentary seat for the Labour party at next year’s general election and with the K2 leisure centre packed out with councillors, candidates and supporters the tension was obvious as the count got underway.

Going into count Labour had identified four key seats – Broadfield South, Ifield, Southgate and West Green – with the party needing to win at least three of them and not lose any of its own seats to take back control on the council.

It didn’t take long for the rumours to spread around the hall with whispers of a massive UKIP surge sucking the vote from the Tory Party.

The biggest rumour came from the Pound Hill South and Worth ward, which was also subject to a by-election count after calls for recounts sparked speculation that UKIP was on the verge of winning its first elected representative to the council after its current councillor Karl Williamson defected from the Tory party.

But with the count nearing an end it became clear which party was on course for victory in the borough and the Labour group was buoyant as the results were made official.

Speaking after the win, group leader and new leader of the council Peter Lamb, who retained his seat in the Northgate ward with 821 votes, said: “Day in and day out we’re told by the Conservative Government that things are OK and the country is on course. When Ed Miliband came to Crawley on Saturday he heard a very different story. He heard of people struggling with a real cost of living crisis and we’re committed to now changing things for the better, dealing with the cost of living and over the next year we’ll show the difference a Labour council can make. We have also shown we can win in the South.”

He added the group would now set to work with officers to implement a strong agenda for the borough and promised to end evictions from social housing as a result of the bedroom tax.

In a by-election for the Pound Hill South and Worth ward Conservative Beryl Mecrow was re-elected to the council after a 2 year absence.

Councillor Mecrow, who has eight years’ experience as a borough councillor, said she was happy to be re-elected despite the efforts of UKIP and admitted some nerves prior to the results announcement.

“You never know what the electorate will do,” she added.

Speaking after the result, Pound Hill North Conservative councillor Richard Burrett said: “It’s a sad day for Crawley. I believe we’ve left the council in a better condition than we found it. We wish the Labour group the best but we’ll be a good, strong opposition. Today is their day but we can say we’ve left a good legacy so please don’t squander it.”

Labour’s parliamentary candidate for Crawley, Chris Oxlade, said the result had made him more confident going into 2015.

He said: “We’ve been out and spoken to thousands of people and we know the difficulties people have. In Crawley Labour will deal with these issues.”

And while the UKIP political earthquake didn’t bring the establishment crumbling down this year there were rumblings of momentum for the anti-establishment band ahead of next year after many candidates pushed the Conservatives into second place.

UKIP candidate Lee Gilroy, who finished third in the Southgate ward said the party had become the real alternative party in the borough.

"We've taken the Conservative vote and they've been wiped out,” he said. “Labour have got control of the council but where we've come from last year when we were relatively unknown now we've taken over the second place. It just shows that people have had enough of the mainstream parties and we've pushed the Tories into second place.”

Crawley’s only UKIP councillor, Karl Wilkinson, whose seat was not up for a vote this year, added: "We've generated quite a lot of votes and pushed the Conservatives into third place. Our share of the vote has increased and it sends a clear message to the establishment that people are sick of their positions on the bread and butter issues like immigration and Europe and they're sick to death of it."

“There was a lot of hype on the opinion polls but we'll have Labour worried as well as the Conservatives because this result proves that we don't just take votes from the Tories, we take them across the political spectrum. We'll soon be choosing our candidate for the general election and then it's all to play for."

Dr Howard Bloom, Conservative leader and now former leader of the council said: "We're very close in a lot of the wards and a small swing either way today was enough. Where the council goes is often dictated by the third party who take a proportion of votes from the top, which works for the second party. You just couldn't predict where we were going on this. Labour has been working very hard to try and get votes in the seats we're holding and we've been working very hard to get votes.”

In Adur and Worthing the result was slightly more predictable with the Tory heartland remaining faithful to its party.

The Tory group now has 9 councillors in Adur to go with 9 in Worthing and while they were mainly untroubled by a solid UKIP showing there were signs that the anti EU party had put itself in a strong position going forward with five UKIP councillors elected in Adur and one in Worthing.

Newly elected 21 year old Tory councillor James Butcher, who took the Churchill ward with 631 votes while increasing the majority from 1 at the last election to closer to 151 this time, said: “I’m feeling really positive. One of the things I want to stress is that my election in Lancing was about regeneration against stagnation. And regeneration won.”

The young councillor, who is now set to serve as policy advisor to cabinet member for regeneration Pat Beresford, said it was also reassuring the Conservative party had managed to elect so many young candidates.

There was also reassuring news for the Conservative. Analysis revealed their votes came from a broad spectrum of both men and women, aged between 20 and 70.

Councillor Neil Parkin, returning Conservative council leader for Adur and Worthing, said: “I’m delighted the people put their trust in me and this council. It will be business as usual in improving value for money and improving their services, that’s all it’s about.”

And UKIP made good grounds in a number of seats to finish second by slight margins while seemingly taking the vote from Labour.

Pauline James, who finished second to Conservative candidate Heather Mercer in the Salvington ward by 23 votes, said the day had been mixed but positive for the future.

“To come second in quite a few seats and win Durrington off the Conservatives we’re pleasantly surprised,” she said.

“We’ve done quite well and if you look at the majority we’ve lost by it’s very small.”

The European election count and results will be announced on Sunday evening and The Argus will be covering the event live from Southampton with a full story the following day.

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7:28am Sat 24 May 14

Plantpot says...

Looking at the popular vote, it looks as if Crawley is a right/centre right town now saddled with a left wing council. Labour didn't win it, UKIP screwed it for the majority.

The Conservatives very quickly need to understand the concerns of ordinary people, which aren't those of Guardian readers or the likes of the people in B&H that vote Green. They need to get back to being a proper right wing party very quickly indeed.
Looking at the popular vote, it looks as if Crawley is a right/centre right town now saddled with a left wing council. Labour didn't win it, UKIP screwed it for the majority. The Conservatives very quickly need to understand the concerns of ordinary people, which aren't those of Guardian readers or the likes of the people in B&H that vote Green. They need to get back to being a proper right wing party very quickly indeed. Plantpot
  • Score: -13

8:06am Sat 24 May 14

leftysmellbags says...

I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party?????

Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess
I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party????? Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess leftysmellbags
  • Score: -8

9:09am Sat 24 May 14

hammerfan says...

The main parties have got to address the issue of Europe and its associated issues- including immigration! It was an act of cowardice by the Lib/Dems who made a manifesto commitment for an In/out referendum on Europe to drop the idea when entering government!
UKIP is NOT a racist party despite all the filth that was thrown at it. It is merely highlighting legitimate concerns. If we are denied a proper and fair vote on Europe people will start to vote for UKIP in greater numbers. Or even not vote at all.
The main parties have got to address the issue of Europe and its associated issues- including immigration! It was an act of cowardice by the Lib/Dems who made a manifesto commitment for an In/out referendum on Europe to drop the idea when entering government! UKIP is NOT a racist party despite all the filth that was thrown at it. It is merely highlighting legitimate concerns. If we are denied a proper and fair vote on Europe people will start to vote for UKIP in greater numbers. Or even not vote at all. hammerfan
  • Score: 4

10:13am Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

leftysmellbags wrote:
I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party?????

Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess
You are quite correct even in areas of London where there is a high immigrant population Labour did well,this is basically because Labour are soft on immigration.Consevat
ives are a least talking about the issue now due to UKIP,so both these parties had no chance in areas that now are basically immigrant.The politically correct wont admit this but this is what is happening in reality.
[quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party????? Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess[/p][/quote]You are quite correct even in areas of London where there is a high immigrant population Labour did well,this is basically because Labour are soft on immigration.Consevat ives are a least talking about the issue now due to UKIP,so both these parties had no chance in areas that now are basically immigrant.The politically correct wont admit this but this is what is happening in reality. clubrob6
  • Score: -4

10:21am Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

hammerfan wrote:
The main parties have got to address the issue of Europe and its associated issues- including immigration! It was an act of cowardice by the Lib/Dems who made a manifesto commitment for an In/out referendum on Europe to drop the idea when entering government!
UKIP is NOT a racist party despite all the filth that was thrown at it. It is merely highlighting legitimate concerns. If we are denied a proper and fair vote on Europe people will start to vote for UKIP in greater numbers. Or even not vote at all.
Notice you are getting negative score for telling the truth,but lets be honest people in B&H don't have a clue they did vote in a green council after all.You have just got to look at areas of London that Labour has gained seats these are mainly areas highly populated by immigrants and they know Labour is very soft on that issue as it was Labour that was all for uncontrolled immigration.I want a vote on the EU its not the job of the main parties to tell us what we can vote on,plus I want controlled immigration,i don't want it to stop I just want to know who is coming into our country and be able to deport any immigrant that breaks the law.
[quote][p][bold]hammerfan[/bold] wrote: The main parties have got to address the issue of Europe and its associated issues- including immigration! It was an act of cowardice by the Lib/Dems who made a manifesto commitment for an In/out referendum on Europe to drop the idea when entering government! UKIP is NOT a racist party despite all the filth that was thrown at it. It is merely highlighting legitimate concerns. If we are denied a proper and fair vote on Europe people will start to vote for UKIP in greater numbers. Or even not vote at all.[/p][/quote]Notice you are getting negative score for telling the truth,but lets be honest people in B&H don't have a clue they did vote in a green council after all.You have just got to look at areas of London that Labour has gained seats these are mainly areas highly populated by immigrants and they know Labour is very soft on that issue as it was Labour that was all for uncontrolled immigration.I want a vote on the EU its not the job of the main parties to tell us what we can vote on,plus I want controlled immigration,i don't want it to stop I just want to know who is coming into our country and be able to deport any immigrant that breaks the law. clubrob6
  • Score: -9

10:45am Sat 24 May 14

maxiboy_ says...

Plantpot wrote:
Looking at the popular vote, it looks as if Crawley is a right/centre right town now saddled with a left wing council. Labour didn't win it, UKIP screwed it for the majority.

The Conservatives very quickly need to understand the concerns of ordinary people, which aren't those of Guardian readers or the likes of the people in B&H that vote Green. They need to get back to being a proper right wing party very quickly indeed.
No, you stupid Tories split UKIP's vote. The Tory Party is a dead party.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Looking at the popular vote, it looks as if Crawley is a right/centre right town now saddled with a left wing council. Labour didn't win it, UKIP screwed it for the majority. The Conservatives very quickly need to understand the concerns of ordinary people, which aren't those of Guardian readers or the likes of the people in B&H that vote Green. They need to get back to being a proper right wing party very quickly indeed.[/p][/quote]No, you stupid Tories split UKIP's vote. The Tory Party is a dead party. maxiboy_
  • Score: 7

10:46am Sat 24 May 14

maxiboy_ says...

leftysmellbags wrote:
I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party?????

Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess
Exactly, all going to plan for The Marxist Party in Crawley and Hastings.
[quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party????? Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess[/p][/quote]Exactly, all going to plan for The Marxist Party in Crawley and Hastings. maxiboy_
  • Score: 2

11:09am Sat 24 May 14

Andy R says...

Poe's Law working nicely on Argus Comments, I see.

Can someone tell me where the wake for Satire is taking place this evening?
Poe's Law working nicely on Argus Comments, I see. Can someone tell me where the wake for Satire is taking place this evening? Andy R
  • Score: -2

1:04pm Sat 24 May 14

ZeeGee, ffs says...

Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex! ZeeGee, ffs
  • Score: -4

2:07pm Sat 24 May 14

Andy R says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Fascist reveals his deep contempt for electorate. No surprises there....
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Fascist reveals his deep contempt for electorate. No surprises there.... Andy R
  • Score: 6

2:53pm Sat 24 May 14

RK_Brighton says...

ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
[quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them. RK_Brighton
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Sat 24 May 14

fredaj says...

RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.
[quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear. fredaj
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Sat 24 May 14

Motorcyclist says...

fredaj wrote:
RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.
No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:-

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2637468/Ukip-flops-L
ondon-amid-claims-ca
pitals-educated-cult
ured-young-live-diff
erent-country-else.h
tml
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.[/p][/quote]No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:- http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2637468/Ukip-flops-L ondon-amid-claims-ca pitals-educated-cult ured-young-live-diff erent-country-else.h tml Motorcyclist
  • Score: -1

5:41pm Sat 24 May 14

ourcoalition says...

Bye Bye Tory/UKIPers- nasty views, nasty people.......
Bye Bye Tory/UKIPers- nasty views, nasty people....... ourcoalition
  • Score: -5

5:42pm Sat 24 May 14

Zeta Function says...

Something has to be done about the low turn out.

Why can't we go and vote where coffee Is being served? How about voting booths in supermarkets?

Scrap the pencil and paper system in damp halls.
Something has to be done about the low turn out. Why can't we go and vote where coffee Is being served? How about voting booths in supermarkets? Scrap the pencil and paper system in damp halls. Zeta Function
  • Score: 0

6:51pm Sat 24 May 14

fredaj says...

Motorcyclist wrote:
fredaj wrote:
RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.
No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:-

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2637468/Ukip-flops-L

ondon-amid-claims-ca

pitals-educated-cult

ured-young-live-diff

erent-country-else.h

tml
"Even The Daily Mail has confirmed it as a fact"?

LOL!

I can only suggest you listen to what was ACTUALLY said via Iplayer rather than just reading the spin and repeating it like a parrot.
[quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.[/p][/quote]No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:- http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2637468/Ukip-flops-L ondon-amid-claims-ca pitals-educated-cult ured-young-live-diff erent-country-else.h tml[/p][/quote]"Even The Daily Mail has confirmed it as a fact"? LOL! I can only suggest you listen to what was ACTUALLY said via Iplayer rather than just reading the spin and repeating it like a parrot. fredaj
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

maxiboy_ wrote:
leftysmellbags wrote:
I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party?????

Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess
Exactly, all going to plan for The Marxist Party in Crawley and Hastings.
B&H will have a Labour council in the near future as we have a very high immigrant population.
[quote][p][bold]maxiboy_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I see that Labours grand plan to flood the country with as many immigrants as possible in as short a time as possible has worked in some areas. I mean come on - who else would vote for this party????? Apart from the feckless and workshy I guess[/p][/quote]Exactly, all going to plan for The Marxist Party in Crawley and Hastings.[/p][/quote]B&H will have a Labour council in the near future as we have a very high immigrant population. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

7:53pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
The only areas Labour did well in London was areas that are mainly immigrant,immigrants know Labour is all for the open door policy on immigration.
[quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]The only areas Labour did well in London was areas that are mainly immigrant,immigrants know Labour is all for the open door policy on immigration. clubrob6
  • Score: 0

8:00pm Sat 24 May 14

clubrob6 says...

Zeta Function wrote:
Something has to be done about the low turn out.

Why can't we go and vote where coffee Is being served? How about voting booths in supermarkets?

Scrap the pencil and paper system in damp halls.
Voting should be like the census you should ha to vote,perhaps if voting was over a few days would be better but i'm afraid they have to be carried out in controlled situation coffee shops etc will leave it open to corruption.Even the system now is not fool proof in Maryport in Cumbria my hometown the Labour council did not send out voting papers to a area they knew they would lose.
[quote][p][bold]Zeta Function[/bold] wrote: Something has to be done about the low turn out. Why can't we go and vote where coffee Is being served? How about voting booths in supermarkets? Scrap the pencil and paper system in damp halls.[/p][/quote]Voting should be like the census you should ha to vote,perhaps if voting was over a few days would be better but i'm afraid they have to be carried out in controlled situation coffee shops etc will leave it open to corruption.Even the system now is not fool proof in Maryport in Cumbria my hometown the Labour council did not send out voting papers to a area they knew they would lose. clubrob6
  • Score: -1

10:20am Sun 25 May 14

Andy R says...

clubrob6 wrote:
RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
The only areas Labour did well in London was areas that are mainly immigrant,immigrants know Labour is all for the open door policy on immigration.
Comin' over 'ere.......doing their civic duty.......when we locals can't be arsed......
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]The only areas Labour did well in London was areas that are mainly immigrant,immigrants know Labour is all for the open door policy on immigration.[/p][/quote]Comin' over 'ere.......doing their civic duty.......when we locals can't be arsed...... Andy R
  • Score: -1

12:58pm Sun 25 May 14

ourcoalition says...

Repugnant as I know it is for all you "true" English people, we all came out of Africa, and through our history have seen waves of immigrants - Celts, Saxon's, Angles, Normans, to name but a few. We are all immigrants, or descended from them.

Perhaps we should consider calling ourselves "Citizens of the World" - what a better place it could be......
Repugnant as I know it is for all you "true" English people, we all came out of Africa, and through our history have seen waves of immigrants - Celts, Saxon's, Angles, Normans, to name but a few. We are all immigrants, or descended from them. Perhaps we should consider calling ourselves "Citizens of the World" - what a better place it could be...... ourcoalition
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Sun 25 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

Motorcyclist wrote:
fredaj wrote:
RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.
No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:-

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2637468/Ukip-flops-L

ondon-amid-claims-ca

pitals-educated-cult

ured-young-live-diff

erent-country-else.h

tml
HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA! Daily Mail? FACT? Excuse me while I go to A&E to get my split sides stitched back up. The Daily Mail wouldn't recognise a fact if it came up to the editor, showed him 26 pieces of ID, and shouted nothing but easily verifiable facts in his face for a year then then backed it all up with easily confirmable proof, that could be checked out by a three year old. The Daily Mail and facts are complete strangers to each other.
[quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.[/p][/quote]No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:- http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2637468/Ukip-flops-L ondon-amid-claims-ca pitals-educated-cult ured-young-live-diff erent-country-else.h tml[/p][/quote]HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA! Daily Mail? FACT? Excuse me while I go to A&E to get my split sides stitched back up. The Daily Mail wouldn't recognise a fact if it came up to the editor, showed him 26 pieces of ID, and shouted nothing but easily verifiable facts in his face for a year then then backed it all up with easily confirmable proof, that could be checked out by a three year old. The Daily Mail and facts are complete strangers to each other. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Sun 25 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Repugnant as I know it is for all you "true" English people, we all came out of Africa, and through our history have seen waves of immigrants - Celts, Saxon's, Angles, Normans, to name but a few. We are all immigrants, or descended from them.

Perhaps we should consider calling ourselves "Citizens of the World" - what a better place it could be......
Really? Thanks for repeating that tired old chestnut. So Celts, Angles, Normans, Saxons, Vikings, were completely alien and incompatible cultures to one another, and Britain was subjected to 250,000 a year, each year,coming in. The total number of Angles, Saxons, Normans, Celts, Huguenots, and Flemish that made up most of Britain's "immigration" for hundreds of years was around the same number as we let in over two years today. About 500,000, mainly indistinguishable from the indigenous population ,and from cultures that were mainly readily and easily assimilated into the contemporary societies. Over a period of hundreds of years. It hardly compares, does it? Most of the population still carry the genes of the original hunter gatherers from thousands of years ago. You disgusting, self loathing creep. Do you think we're just here on some kind of extended holiday or sightseeing trip? Would you go to Australia and tell the Aborigines that they aren't "indigenous" because most of them have immigrant genes in them these days? Or to a Sioux reservation, or a Maori family? They'd tear your head off and **** down your windpipe. As for the lame "we're all out of Africa dontcha know?", that's just the current dominant theory, there's no solid proof of where we actually originated from.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Repugnant as I know it is for all you "true" English people, we all came out of Africa, and through our history have seen waves of immigrants - Celts, Saxon's, Angles, Normans, to name but a few. We are all immigrants, or descended from them. Perhaps we should consider calling ourselves "Citizens of the World" - what a better place it could be......[/p][/quote]Really? Thanks for repeating that tired old chestnut. So Celts, Angles, Normans, Saxons, Vikings, were completely alien and incompatible cultures to one another, and Britain was subjected to 250,000 a year, each year,coming in. The total number of Angles, Saxons, Normans, Celts, Huguenots, and Flemish that made up most of Britain's "immigration" for hundreds of years was around the same number as we let in over two years today. About 500,000, mainly indistinguishable from the indigenous population ,and from cultures that were mainly readily and easily assimilated into the contemporary societies. Over a period of hundreds of years. It hardly compares, does it? Most of the population still carry the genes of the original hunter gatherers from thousands of years ago. You disgusting, self loathing creep. Do you think we're just here on some kind of extended holiday or sightseeing trip? Would you go to Australia and tell the Aborigines that they aren't "indigenous" because most of them have immigrant genes in them these days? Or to a Sioux reservation, or a Maori family? They'd tear your head off and **** down your windpipe. As for the lame "we're all out of Africa dontcha know?", that's just the current dominant theory, there's no solid proof of where we actually originated from. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Sun 25 May 14

Motorcyclist says...

PorkyChopper wrote:
Motorcyclist wrote:
fredaj wrote:
RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.
No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:-

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2637468/Ukip-flops-L


ondon-amid-claims-ca


pitals-educated-cult


ured-young-live-diff


erent-country-else.h


tml
HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHA! Daily Mail? FACT? Excuse me while I go to A&E to get my split sides stitched back up. The Daily Mail wouldn't recognise a fact if it came up to the editor, showed him 26 pieces of ID, and shouted nothing but easily verifiable facts in his face for a year then then backed it all up with easily confirmable proof, that could be checked out by a three year old. The Daily Mail and facts are complete strangers to each other.
You really don't recognise irony do you? Watch the interview on iplayer - draw your own conclusions.... idiot
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.[/p][/quote]No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:- http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2637468/Ukip-flops-L ondon-amid-claims-ca pitals-educated-cult ured-young-live-diff erent-country-else.h tml[/p][/quote]HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA! Daily Mail? FACT? Excuse me while I go to A&E to get my split sides stitched back up. The Daily Mail wouldn't recognise a fact if it came up to the editor, showed him 26 pieces of ID, and shouted nothing but easily verifiable facts in his face for a year then then backed it all up with easily confirmable proof, that could be checked out by a three year old. The Daily Mail and facts are complete strangers to each other.[/p][/quote]You really don't recognise irony do you? Watch the interview on iplayer - draw your own conclusions.... idiot Motorcyclist
  • Score: -2

3:59pm Sun 25 May 14

Motorcyclist says...

fredaj wrote:
Motorcyclist wrote:
fredaj wrote:
RK_Brighton wrote:
ZeeGee, ffs wrote:
Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents.

Well done, people of Sussex!
Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.
Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.
No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:-

http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/news/article-


2637468/Ukip-flops-L


ondon-amid-claims-ca


pitals-educated-cult


ured-young-live-diff


erent-country-else.h


tml
"Even The Daily Mail has confirmed it as a fact"?

LOL!

I can only suggest you listen to what was ACTUALLY said via Iplayer rather than just reading the spin and repeating it like a parrot.
You really don't recognise irony do you? Watch the interview on iplayer - draw your own conclusions.... idiot UKIP parrot LOL
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RK_Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ZeeGee, ffs[/bold] wrote: Labour traditionally does well in areas of poor education, low job expectations, and scummier parents. Well done, people of Sussex![/p][/quote]Like in London, where Labour did exceptionally well - the same area that UKIP claimed they did not do well because the voters were too well educated and cultured to support them.[/p][/quote]Except UKIP didn't claim that at all - but don't let the truth stand in the way for a good smear.[/p][/quote]No smear, even the Daily Mail has confirmed this as a fact:- http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2637468/Ukip-flops-L ondon-amid-claims-ca pitals-educated-cult ured-young-live-diff erent-country-else.h tml[/p][/quote]"Even The Daily Mail has confirmed it as a fact"? LOL! I can only suggest you listen to what was ACTUALLY said via Iplayer rather than just reading the spin and repeating it like a parrot.[/p][/quote]You really don't recognise irony do you? Watch the interview on iplayer - draw your own conclusions.... idiot UKIP parrot LOL Motorcyclist
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Sun 25 May 14

ourcoalition says...

PorkyChopper wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
Repugnant as I know it is for all you "true" English people, we all came out of Africa, and through our history have seen waves of immigrants - Celts, Saxon's, Angles, Normans, to name but a few. We are all immigrants, or descended from them.

Perhaps we should consider calling ourselves "Citizens of the World" - what a better place it could be......
Really? Thanks for repeating that tired old chestnut. So Celts, Angles, Normans, Saxons, Vikings, were completely alien and incompatible cultures to one another, and Britain was subjected to 250,000 a year, each year,coming in. The total number of Angles, Saxons, Normans, Celts, Huguenots, and Flemish that made up most of Britain's "immigration" for hundreds of years was around the same number as we let in over two years today. About 500,000, mainly indistinguishable from the indigenous population ,and from cultures that were mainly readily and easily assimilated into the contemporary societies. Over a period of hundreds of years. It hardly compares, does it? Most of the population still carry the genes of the original hunter gatherers from thousands of years ago. You disgusting, self loathing creep. Do you think we're just here on some kind of extended holiday or sightseeing trip? Would you go to Australia and tell the Aborigines that they aren't "indigenous" because most of them have immigrant genes in them these days? Or to a Sioux reservation, or a Maori family? They'd tear your head off and **** down your windpipe. As for the lame "we're all out of Africa dontcha know?", that's just the current dominant theory, there's no solid proof of where we actually originated from.
Oh dear - have I upset you..............it seems so.

Ignoring your abuse - the Angles, Saxons and Normans were "easily assimilated" - with axe and swords to help???!

Go to talk to the Aborigines - the ones the "civilised" British subjected to genocide - better still, how about the Maori's in New Zealand (the few we left alive, that is). The Sioux - not "us", but Europeans generally, that massacred them and took their land.

Would you class the East African community in Liverpool as British - only been there for 300 years?

Out of Africa - if you know about hunter-gatherer genes, then you must have read the same book/books that also include their origin, or were the first couple of chapters a bit inconvenient for your theory of race purity.

Numbers - the population then and now, compares very closely with immigration densities. Unfortunately, political views, such as yours have changed, not for the better.

Still, we can carry on the argument, but hopefully without your personal abuse?!
[quote][p][bold]PorkyChopper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Repugnant as I know it is for all you "true" English people, we all came out of Africa, and through our history have seen waves of immigrants - Celts, Saxon's, Angles, Normans, to name but a few. We are all immigrants, or descended from them. Perhaps we should consider calling ourselves "Citizens of the World" - what a better place it could be......[/p][/quote]Really? Thanks for repeating that tired old chestnut. So Celts, Angles, Normans, Saxons, Vikings, were completely alien and incompatible cultures to one another, and Britain was subjected to 250,000 a year, each year,coming in. The total number of Angles, Saxons, Normans, Celts, Huguenots, and Flemish that made up most of Britain's "immigration" for hundreds of years was around the same number as we let in over two years today. About 500,000, mainly indistinguishable from the indigenous population ,and from cultures that were mainly readily and easily assimilated into the contemporary societies. Over a period of hundreds of years. It hardly compares, does it? Most of the population still carry the genes of the original hunter gatherers from thousands of years ago. You disgusting, self loathing creep. Do you think we're just here on some kind of extended holiday or sightseeing trip? Would you go to Australia and tell the Aborigines that they aren't "indigenous" because most of them have immigrant genes in them these days? Or to a Sioux reservation, or a Maori family? They'd tear your head off and **** down your windpipe. As for the lame "we're all out of Africa dontcha know?", that's just the current dominant theory, there's no solid proof of where we actually originated from.[/p][/quote]Oh dear - have I upset you..............it seems so. Ignoring your abuse - the Angles, Saxons and Normans were "easily assimilated" - with axe and swords to help???! Go to talk to the Aborigines - the ones the "civilised" British subjected to genocide - better still, how about the Maori's in New Zealand (the few we left alive, that is). The Sioux - not "us", but Europeans generally, that massacred them and took their land. Would you class the East African community in Liverpool as British - only been there for 300 years? Out of Africa - if you know about hunter-gatherer genes, then you must have read the same book/books that also include their origin, or were the first couple of chapters a bit inconvenient for your theory of race purity. Numbers - the population then and now, compares very closely with immigration densities. Unfortunately, political views, such as yours have changed, not for the better. Still, we can carry on the argument, but hopefully without your personal abuse?! ourcoalition
  • Score: -2

9:38pm Sun 25 May 14

PorkyChopper says...

You have no argument. Your numbers are wrong for starters. 500,000 people over around 1500 years or more simply does not compare to modern immigration densities, even when taking into account contemporary population levels. Millions of Britons are sick to the back teeth with self loathing cheerleaders for mass immigration and multiculturalism. Those that try to make out that the vast majority of this country's population are little more than squatters or temporary visitors to their own land, and are knuckle dragging troglodytes if they dare to voice the valid opinion that the UK needs to take control of it's own immigration policy. I've no idea about Liverpool's East African community. But if, after being in Liverpool for 300 years, they STILL identify as East African, then they need to sit down and think things through. Aborigines, Maoris and Sioux are irrelevant to the debate about immigration into Britain, except as an example of the double standards that apply when people talk about "indigenous" people. There's another thing that millions are sick of. Self loathing multiculturalists trying to guilt trip Britons about events that happened on another continent, a long time ago, perpetrated by people who died long before we were even born. "We" are not responsible. If YOU want to shoulder the blame, and wear sackcloth and ashes for eternity, knock yourself out. Do not use it as a valid reason to swamp Britain with people whose cultural values are incompatible with those whose ancestry goes back hundreds of years on these islands. How much "diversity" do you want? When will Britain be "diverse" enough for you? When things like this are a regular occurrence here? https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=TBZcCAxg
dzo Times are changing, there are rumblings of discontent everywhere. Why? Because people like YOU ...DIDN'T LISTEN.
You have no argument. Your numbers are wrong for starters. 500,000 people over around 1500 years or more simply does not compare to modern immigration densities, even when taking into account contemporary population levels. Millions of Britons are sick to the back teeth with self loathing cheerleaders for mass immigration and multiculturalism. Those that try to make out that the vast majority of this country's population are little more than squatters or temporary visitors to their own land, and are knuckle dragging troglodytes if they dare to voice the valid opinion that the UK needs to take control of it's own immigration policy. I've no idea about Liverpool's East African community. But if, after being in Liverpool for 300 years, they STILL identify as East African, then they need to sit down and think things through. Aborigines, Maoris and Sioux are irrelevant to the debate about immigration into Britain, except as an example of the double standards that apply when people talk about "indigenous" people. There's another thing that millions are sick of. Self loathing multiculturalists trying to guilt trip Britons about events that happened on another continent, a long time ago, perpetrated by people who died long before we were even born. "We" are not responsible. If YOU want to shoulder the blame, and wear sackcloth and ashes for eternity, knock yourself out. Do not use it as a valid reason to swamp Britain with people whose cultural values are incompatible with those whose ancestry goes back hundreds of years on these islands. How much "diversity" do you want? When will Britain be "diverse" enough for you? When things like this are a regular occurrence here? https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=TBZcCAxg dzo Times are changing, there are rumblings of discontent everywhere. Why? Because people like YOU ...DIDN'T LISTEN. PorkyChopper
  • Score: 2

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