Disgust at Halal meat in school meals

Disgust at Halal meat in school meals

Disgust at Halal meat in school meals

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Pupils across Sussex have unknowingly been served halal meat in their school meals.

An investigation by The Argus found catering companies had been providing unlabelled halal meat to schools in Brighton and across the county.

The revelation has sparked outrage with one parent describing it as “disgusting” that they had not been made aware of what their children were eating.

Services provided unlabelled halal meat to Longhill High School in Brighton and Catering Academy has confirmed it has done the same for schools in East Sussex.

The schools in East Sussex are Peacehaven Community School, Meridian Primary School, Telscombe Cliffs Community Primary School and Peacehaven Heights Primary School.

And West Sussex County Council has stated some of the schools under its control use those caterers, though it has not confirmed which ones.

Catering Academy, based in Staffordshire, supplies the four schools in East Sussex.

Tony Cook, general manager for Catering Academy, said that the company was serving a dish containing halal meat to students without them knowing.

He said: “All of our products in East Sussex schools are non-halal except from one item on the menu, a beef burger, which appears on the menu very occasionally.

“With immediate effect, this product will be clearly marked on the menu as containing halal meat and if parents are unhappy for their children to eat this, alternatives will be available.

“In addition, we will be working with the schools on an individual basis to agree if this product should be changed.”

Halal food is food that is permissible by Islamic Law.

For a meat to be halal, it cannot be pork or a forbidden cut of meat and there are strict guidelines on how the animal must be slaughtered.

Innovate Services, the catering company that supplies Longhill and some primary schools in West Sussex, confirmed that a clerical error led to Longhill being supplied with an order of halal beef.

A representative from Innovate Services said: “We have investigated this matter with our catering team at the school and can confirm that halal meat is not on the procurement list for Longhill High School.

“From our records, however, an order of halal beef was made in error by the catering manager and we have taken steps to ensure this cannot happen again.”

Innovate Services was recently recognised at the Surrey Business Awards for its role in transforming school meals by winning the Toast of Surrey Award 2014.

A worried parent told The Argus: “It’s disgusting, no-one’s been told about it.

“I called Longhill to complain and they didn’t see what the problem was, they said that I was the first person that had complained.

“For me, this is worse than what the big supermarkets have done, it’s worse because it involves kids.”

Haydn Stride, headteacher at Longhill High School, said he was unaware of any complaint being made.

He said: “I don’t know if the meat we are serving is halal, it’s something we are investigating.”

Some halal meat is prepared by slaughtering the animal without stunning it first, causing the animal further pain.

For this reason, many people believe that it is unethical to eat halal meat.

Nicky Bassett, headteacher of Peacehaven Community School, said: “As headteacher of Peacehaven Community School my preference would be that staff and students who choose to eat meat have the right to choose meat from animals slaughtered under the most humane conditions.”

Catering Academy caters for Hastings Academy and St Leonards Academy but they have stated that they do not sell the beef burger there.

Catering at all other primary schools in East Sussex is done by Chartwells.

A spokesman from Chartwells said they have not provided halal meat unless requested.

He said: “We are committed to providing our customers with a high level of quality and choice.

“Halal products, which have been slaughtered, processed and prepared in line with the appropriate practices, are typically served in response to specific client requests and labelled accordingly.

“All of the halal meat we serve is stunned before slaughter, in line with our rigorous supply chain and animal welfare standards.”

David Bowles, head of external affairs at the RSPCA South-East, said: “The RSPCA believes that meat produced from animals stunned or not stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled to allow consumer choice. We continue to press for changes in the law that would improve the welfare of all farm animals at the time of slaughter.

“Our concern has nothing to do with the expression of religious belief but with the practice of killing by throat cutting without pre-stunning.”

Halal meat also affects different religious groups as well as Muslims because Sikhs and Hindus cannot eat halal meat on religious grounds.

Stephen Evans, National Secular Society campaign manager, said: “If schools want to accommodate religious dietary preferences, they should do so without compromising the preferences of others.

“If halal is the default option, the school should clearly communicate this to parents and pupils, so anyone wishing to avoid it can do so.”

All primary and special schools in the Brighton and Hove area are part of a local education contract, supplied by Red Tractor.

David Clarke, CEO of Red Tractor, said: “Red Tractor meat must comply with a detailed standard to ensure proper hygiene and safety and good welfare for animals on the farm, during transport from the farm, and in the processing plant.

“Red Tractor meat must be stunned before slaughter in line with all legislation, Codes of good practice and the guidelines of the Humane Slaughter Association.

“So in short, Red Tractor Meat is not halal.”

Primary schools in Brighton and Hove are given the option of having halal as an additional menu option.

These halal meals are prepared and served separately to the children who have been identified as requiring this option.

There has been a recent debate on the labelling of halal meat after it was revealed that several large chains in the country confirmed that they were selling halal meat without labelling it as halal.

MPs have recently rejected an attempt to force shops, supermarkets and anyone serving food to clearly label products containing halal or kosher meats.

“It is important to be given the information so that people can come to their own conclusions. I am really ignorant about the whole thing but I know it has been in the news recently. I don’t really have an issue but I would like to know.”

Emily James-Farley, 38, Worthing, project coordinator, mother-of-one.

“I have got absolutely no idea about it, I don’t really care. At home we always have free range and try to get organic but I haven’t really thought about it at school.” Emyln Roberts, 34, Hollingbury, health care worker. Mother of two.

“I think it is really important that everybody should be given the opportunity to have a say on it, I would definitely want to be told.

“It is the same as when you go to a supermarket and you can choose to have free range eggs or not. It is really important especially when it involves children. Parents should have the right to choose everything about their children’s lives.”

Zoe Fernay, 35, Preston Park, nurse, mother of one.

“I think it is fine but parents should be made aware. I do think parents should be actively asked whether they mind or not and informed of how it was killed.” Kate Cusack, 32, Fiveways, Full time mum of two.

“I think they should eat healthy food at school, but I don’t really know what halal meat is. I think they should tell us what is in the food. I wouldn’t want them eating something that isn’t right.” Sara Knight, 26, Patcham, full-time mum of one.

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8:35am Thu 3 Jul 14

s&k says...

Unless it's by religious choice then get it out of the schools! I find this just unbelievable the religious takeover of education. Education should be secular like France.
Unless it's by religious choice then get it out of the schools! I find this just unbelievable the religious takeover of education. Education should be secular like France. s&k
  • Score: 87

8:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

hursthill says...

I recently chatted with a chap who used to work in an abbatoir.

He told me that anyone who witnessed how animals are really slaughtered & the cruelty, when no inspectors are around, would be a vegetarian.

All meat products should be labelled, warning customers there is no guarantee the meat they eat has come from animals humanely killed.
I recently chatted with a chap who used to work in an abbatoir. He told me that anyone who witnessed how animals are really slaughtered & the cruelty, when no inspectors are around, would be a vegetarian. All meat products should be labelled, warning customers there is no guarantee the meat they eat has come from animals humanely killed. hursthill
  • Score: 82

8:41am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat...... Andy R
  • Score: -17

8:43am Thu 3 Jul 14

BURIRAM says...

Longhill school says it wasn't aware of the complaint. This school always denies any knowledge when it suits them. I am glad that I was warned before I sent any of my children there.
Longhill school says it wasn't aware of the complaint. This school always denies any knowledge when it suits them. I am glad that I was warned before I sent any of my children there. BURIRAM
  • Score: 44

8:52am Thu 3 Jul 14

Morpheus says...

What a lot a fuss about eating meat that can have done no harm. The problem does show that we may not always know what is in prepared food and this is the real issue.
What a lot a fuss about eating meat that can have done no harm. The problem does show that we may not always know what is in prepared food and this is the real issue. Morpheus
  • Score: -29

9:00am Thu 3 Jul 14

s&k says...

Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
And the method that is used to kill them.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]And the method that is used to kill them. s&k
  • Score: 33

9:09am Thu 3 Jul 14

wibblewibble says...

considering its the kids eating it perhaps explain to them the difference in slaughter methods and ask them which version they would prefer on the lunch menu.
Children can sometimes be far more intelligent than adults on this issue.
considering its the kids eating it perhaps explain to them the difference in slaughter methods and ask them which version they would prefer on the lunch menu. Children can sometimes be far more intelligent than adults on this issue. wibblewibble
  • Score: 40

9:15am Thu 3 Jul 14

gazzamagoo says...

hursthill wrote:
I recently chatted with a chap who used to work in an abbatoir.

He told me that anyone who witnessed how animals are really slaughtered & the cruelty, when no inspectors are around, would be a vegetarian.

All meat products should be labelled, warning customers there is no guarantee the meat they eat has come from animals humanely killed.
Too true. Why are we getting on our high horse about halal meat when we slaughter or own meat just as inhumanely if not more so?
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: I recently chatted with a chap who used to work in an abbatoir. He told me that anyone who witnessed how animals are really slaughtered & the cruelty, when no inspectors are around, would be a vegetarian. All meat products should be labelled, warning customers there is no guarantee the meat they eat has come from animals humanely killed.[/p][/quote]Too true. Why are we getting on our high horse about halal meat when we slaughter or own meat just as inhumanely if not more so? gazzamagoo
  • Score: 5

9:17am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

s&k wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
And the method that is used to kill them.
How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]And the method that is used to kill them.[/p][/quote]How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian. Andy R
  • Score: 23

9:22am Thu 3 Jul 14

homewood says...

Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.
Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right. homewood
  • Score: 69

9:34am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

homewood wrote:
Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.
There's no evidence whatsoever in this article that this is what's happening. As far as I can see, all they've managed to come up with is one beefburger occasionally served in some schools in East Sussex, and one clerical error in relation to Longhill. To repeat - it's just meat.
[quote][p][bold]homewood[/bold] wrote: Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.[/p][/quote]There's no evidence whatsoever in this article that this is what's happening. As far as I can see, all they've managed to come up with is one beefburger occasionally served in some schools in East Sussex, and one clerical error in relation to Longhill. To repeat - it's just meat. Andy R
  • Score: -22

9:42am Thu 3 Jul 14

s&k says...

Andy R wrote:
homewood wrote: Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.
There's no evidence whatsoever in this article that this is what's happening. As far as I can see, all they've managed to come up with is one beefburger occasionally served in some schools in East Sussex, and one clerical error in relation to Longhill. To repeat - it's just meat.
This isn't an issue of whether eating meat is wrong but the transparency of information given to parents/children.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]homewood[/bold] wrote: Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.[/p][/quote]There's no evidence whatsoever in this article that this is what's happening. As far as I can see, all they've managed to come up with is one beefburger occasionally served in some schools in East Sussex, and one clerical error in relation to Longhill. To repeat - it's just meat.[/p][/quote]This isn't an issue of whether eating meat is wrong but the transparency of information given to parents/children. s&k
  • Score: 32

9:49am Thu 3 Jul 14

Cave Johnson says...

It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat. Cave Johnson
  • Score: -25

9:49am Thu 3 Jul 14

Caute3 says...

Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco? Caute3
  • Score: -35

10:00am Thu 3 Jul 14

hubby says...

I am a vegetarian and have been for over 25 years.Therefore I don't really care which way an animal is killed,it is still being killed and it is in my opinion unnecessary and wrong.Creating Halal meat is a slightly more barbaric way of killing animals,but the animal still ends up being dead and getting eaten.
People should be told what they are eating and how it has been killed.Most kids don't even associate the bacon,sausages,lamb chops and beefburgers on their plates with real animals.
Oh.......and abbatoirs should be made of glass. There would be a lot more vegetarians.
I am a vegetarian and have been for over 25 years.Therefore I don't really care which way an animal is killed,it is still being killed and it is in my opinion unnecessary and wrong.Creating Halal meat is a slightly more barbaric way of killing animals,but the animal still ends up being dead and getting eaten. People should be told what they are eating and how it has been killed.Most kids don't even associate the bacon,sausages,lamb chops and beefburgers on their plates with real animals. Oh.......and abbatoirs should be made of glass. There would be a lot more vegetarians. hubby
  • Score: 12

10:06am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.
[quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat. stevo!!
  • Score: 35

10:10am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

1) Whilst I'm happy for meat to be labelled in the supermarket with regard to production, I'm not sure how it can be labelled when it's placed on the child's plate or why it needs to be.

2) Incidents like this remind us of the way the authorities pander to minorities.
1) Whilst I'm happy for meat to be labelled in the supermarket with regard to production, I'm not sure how it can be labelled when it's placed on the child's plate or why it needs to be. 2) Incidents like this remind us of the way the authorities pander to minorities. stevo!!
  • Score: -1

10:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

stevo!! wrote:
1) Whilst I'm happy for meat to be labelled in the supermarket with regard to production, I'm not sure how it can be labelled when it's placed on the child's plate or why it needs to be.

2) Incidents like this remind us of the way the authorities pander to minorities.
.....except no-one's pandering to anyone....except in the tiny minds of people who want to make something out of nothing.

Anyway...I've had with all this halal meat - I'm off for a curry......
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: 1) Whilst I'm happy for meat to be labelled in the supermarket with regard to production, I'm not sure how it can be labelled when it's placed on the child's plate or why it needs to be. 2) Incidents like this remind us of the way the authorities pander to minorities.[/p][/quote].....except no-one's pandering to anyone....except in the tiny minds of people who want to make something out of nothing. Anyway...I've had with all this halal meat - I'm off for a curry...... Andy R
  • Score: -7

10:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

Brighton mum says...

Oh look at that LONGHILL involved and stride denying everything .........typical of that man .....I'm glad I send a pack lunch for my child how dare they think they can get away with this ......
Oh look at that LONGHILL involved and stride denying everything .........typical of that man .....I'm glad I send a pack lunch for my child how dare they think they can get away with this ...... Brighton mum
  • Score: 22

10:18am Thu 3 Jul 14

LargeAndInCharge says...

I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!!
I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!! LargeAndInCharge
  • Score: -13

10:22am Thu 3 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

I love the quote from one of the mothers...... "I have got absolutely no idea about it, I don’t really care"..... thanks for that insight Argus!
I love the quote from one of the mothers...... "I have got absolutely no idea about it, I don’t really care"..... thanks for that insight Argus! Quiterie
  • Score: 19

10:23am Thu 3 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

s&k wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
And the method that is used to kill them.
good post........the way animals are killed in our country, for halal meat,.......is against our laws, yet muslim slaughter houses get away with it......the time is NOW.........to close these slaughter houses down
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]And the method that is used to kill them.[/p][/quote]good post........the way animals are killed in our country, for halal meat,.......is against our laws, yet muslim slaughter houses get away with it......the time is NOW.........to close these slaughter houses down cookie_brighton
  • Score: 20

10:23am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

Brighton mum wrote:
Oh look at that LONGHILL involved and stride denying everything .........typical of that man .....I'm glad I send a pack lunch for my child how dare they think they can get away with this ......
What's Mr Stride actually "denying" then? Crikey....what an object lesson in how hysteria works.

I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century during a witch panic.........
[quote][p][bold]Brighton mum[/bold] wrote: Oh look at that LONGHILL involved and stride denying everything .........typical of that man .....I'm glad I send a pack lunch for my child how dare they think they can get away with this ......[/p][/quote]What's Mr Stride actually "denying" then? Crikey....what an object lesson in how hysteria works. I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century during a witch panic......... Andy R
  • Score: 3

10:24am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Andy R:

"...except no-one's pandering to anyone.."

Yes, they are. The OED defines 'pander' as:

"Gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire or taste or a person with such a desire or taste)"

Halal meat falls into that category. Many people (including meat-eaters) find halal both immoral and distasteful.

HTH
Andy R: "...except no-one's pandering to anyone.." Yes, they are. The OED defines 'pander' as: "Gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire or taste or a person with such a desire or taste)" Halal meat falls into that category. Many people (including meat-eaters) find halal both immoral and distasteful. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: 12

10:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI
THOUT their parents being informed.
[quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 31

10:29am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century ..."

Go back another 700 years, and you'll have today's halal producers for company ;-)
"I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century ..." Go back another 700 years, and you'll have today's halal producers for company ;-) stevo!!
  • Score: 6

10:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

mimseycal says...

If the meat is indeed unlabelled then the provision of this meant cannot be to 'mollify' Muslim sensibilities ... grow up people!
If the meat is indeed unlabelled then the provision of this meant cannot be to 'mollify' Muslim sensibilities ... grow up people! mimseycal
  • Score: -6

10:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

LargeAndInCharge wrote:
I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!!
I eat meat, by choice........I do not want to be a vegetarian or a vegan, what I do want , is to know that the meat I am eating has come from an animal that has been humanely slaughtered, thats not the case in halal slaughters.
[quote][p][bold]LargeAndInCharge[/bold] wrote: I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!![/p][/quote]I eat meat, by choice........I do not want to be a vegetarian or a vegan, what I do want , is to know that the meat I am eating has come from an animal that has been humanely slaughtered, thats not the case in halal slaughters. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 25

10:37am Thu 3 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

Andy R wrote:
s&k wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
And the method that is used to kill them.
How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.
animals what are slaughtered for halal meat are killed inhumanely, they have their throats slit and left to bleed to death, suffering trauma.
You are a right Richard Cranium.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]And the method that is used to kill them.[/p][/quote]How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.[/p][/quote]animals what are slaughtered for halal meat are killed inhumanely, they have their throats slit and left to bleed to death, suffering trauma. You are a right Richard Cranium. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 23

10:38am Thu 3 Jul 14

s_james says...

I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam. s_james
  • Score: -17

10:39am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
LargeAndInCharge wrote:
I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!!
I eat meat, by choice........I do not want to be a vegetarian or a vegan, what I do want , is to know that the meat I am eating has come from an animal that has been humanely slaughtered, thats not the case in halal slaughters.
Yeah....we need only "local" abbatoirs, where the cuddly moo cows and baa lambs are given a little sugary pill which sends them gently to sleep.......
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LargeAndInCharge[/bold] wrote: I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!![/p][/quote]I eat meat, by choice........I do not want to be a vegetarian or a vegan, what I do want , is to know that the meat I am eating has come from an animal that has been humanely slaughtered, thats not the case in halal slaughters.[/p][/quote]Yeah....we need only "local" abbatoirs, where the cuddly moo cows and baa lambs are given a little sugary pill which sends them gently to sleep....... Andy R
  • Score: -6

10:43am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

stevo!! wrote:
"I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century ..."

Go back another 700 years, and you'll have today's halal producers for company ;-)
Huh....? It must be doing them good then....if it can produce levels of longevity like that.

I'll have some of that!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century ..." Go back another 700 years, and you'll have today's halal producers for company ;-)[/p][/quote]Huh....? It must be doing them good then....if it can produce levels of longevity like that. I'll have some of that! Andy R
  • Score: -2

10:46am Thu 3 Jul 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

This is what happens when you allow the conservatives into power - it was them - the evil Thatcher - that first did this. As a result the catering companies - who aim to make a MINIMUM of 70% from everything they sell, are sourcing the cheapest products possible because all they are interested in, is making a profit, nothing more.

These companies couldn't care less what they are feeding kids, they don't care that for so many this is the only meal they eat each day. The products used are cheap and bad quality, so is it any wonder our kids at state schools are not doing so well. Kids need good food, it feeds their brains and their bodies and without that they won't do so well.

What a shame that this was allowed to happen and nothing has been done to change this problem.
This is what happens when you allow the conservatives into power - it was them - the evil Thatcher - that first did this. As a result the catering companies - who aim to make a MINIMUM of 70% from everything they sell, are sourcing the cheapest products possible because all they are interested in, is making a profit, nothing more. These companies couldn't care less what they are feeding kids, they don't care that for so many this is the only meal they eat each day. The products used are cheap and bad quality, so is it any wonder our kids at state schools are not doing so well. Kids need good food, it feeds their brains and their bodies and without that they won't do so well. What a shame that this was allowed to happen and nothing has been done to change this problem. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 0

10:46am Thu 3 Jul 14

s_james says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI

THOUT their parents being informed.
How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?!

88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back:
http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/2014/may/11/halal-m
eat-nandos-pizza-exp
ress-islam
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed.[/p][/quote]How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?! 88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back: http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/11/halal-m eat-nandos-pizza-exp ress-islam s_james
  • Score: -1

10:46am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is. stevo!!
  • Score: 5

10:49am Thu 3 Jul 14

ICantThinkOfAName says...

Perhaps someone should explain what is the difference between the kosher and the halal methods of slaughter as I have always thought it to be similar. I also assume that the objectors would be happy if the meat is labelled kosher but not if it is halal.
As an aside, to which of the two methods would an objection be deemed racist. Eat more pork as this could under no stretch of imagination could be halal or kosher.
Perhaps someone should explain what is the difference between the kosher and the halal methods of slaughter as I have always thought it to be similar. I also assume that the objectors would be happy if the meat is labelled kosher but not if it is halal. As an aside, to which of the two methods would an objection be deemed racist. Eat more pork as this could under no stretch of imagination could be halal or kosher. ICantThinkOfAName
  • Score: 10

10:50am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
"I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century ..."

Go back another 700 years, and you'll have today's halal producers for company ;-)
Huh....? It must be doing them good then....if it can produce levels of longevity like that.

I'll have some of that!
I was referring to their mindset.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century ..." Go back another 700 years, and you'll have today's halal producers for company ;-)[/p][/quote]Huh....? It must be doing them good then....if it can produce levels of longevity like that. I'll have some of that![/p][/quote]I was referring to their mindset. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

10:51am Thu 3 Jul 14

argchat says...

Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
An absolute disgrace all this. I spent a considerable amount of time in Luton where you would expect Halal meat to be served in schools due to the high number of muslim pupils, but down here get real. This is either being done to please a tiny minority or it is being done because the meats are cheaper. Parents need to be told what there kids are eating, one for religious reasons and two for the welfare of animal. It's not fair to be eating something you do not subscribe too.
[quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]An absolute disgrace all this. I spent a considerable amount of time in Luton where you would expect Halal meat to be served in schools due to the high number of muslim pupils, but down here get real. This is either being done to please a tiny minority or it is being done because the meats are cheaper. Parents need to be told what there kids are eating, one for religious reasons and two for the welfare of animal. It's not fair to be eating something you do not subscribe too. argchat
  • Score: 16

11:00am Thu 3 Jul 14

s&k says...

Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
Yes I do - I just have. That's democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]Yes I do - I just have. That's democracy. s&k
  • Score: 13

11:04am Thu 3 Jul 14

Frank28 says...

Halal meat is invariably tainted with the chemicals released into the bloodstream by the prolonged suffering of the dying animal. Halal slaughter methods are an obscenity.
Halal meat is invariably tainted with the chemicals released into the bloodstream by the prolonged suffering of the dying animal. Halal slaughter methods are an obscenity. Frank28
  • Score: 22

11:12am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!!

You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!! You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you? Andy R
  • Score: 12

11:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!!

You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?
As I said, you may scoff......
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!! You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?[/p][/quote]As I said, you may scoff...... stevo!!
  • Score: -8

11:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

cynic_the says...

LargeAndInCharge wrote:
I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!!
Absolutely ridiculous comment.

People that do eat meat should have the right to know for sure that it hasn't been slaughtered in an inhumane way in order to appease someone else's god.
[quote][p][bold]LargeAndInCharge[/bold] wrote: I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!![/p][/quote]Absolutely ridiculous comment. People that do eat meat should have the right to know for sure that it hasn't been slaughtered in an inhumane way in order to appease someone else's god. cynic_the
  • Score: 12

11:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

s_james says...

stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!!

You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?
As I said, you may scoff......
I scoff
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!! You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?[/p][/quote]As I said, you may scoff......[/p][/quote]I scoff s_james
  • Score: 10

11:19am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

s_james wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!!

You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?
As I said, you may scoff......
I scoff
See above ;-)
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]Asian mayors!!!???? OMG!! You really are the comedy gift that keeps on giving aren't you?[/p][/quote]As I said, you may scoff......[/p][/quote]I scoff[/p][/quote]See above ;-) stevo!!
  • Score: -9

11:29am Thu 3 Jul 14

Goldenwight says...

Having read a number of the comments above, it is quite clear that the majority of Argus readers & commentators are not aware of what Halal meat is.
Having read a number of the comments above, it is quite clear that the majority of Argus readers & commentators are not aware of what Halal meat is. Goldenwight
  • Score: 15

11:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

mhaiti says...

This is just ridiculous. The myth is that all halal meat is not stunned before slaughter, that is not true. I don't know the exact numbers but it's high 80% / early 90% of all halal meat in this country that is stunned before slaughter. 100% of UK butchered halal chicken is stunned before slaughter...100%! As a rule halal meat is more ethically treated whilst the animal is alive too.

All these reactive animal rights activists would do well to understand what goes on in our food chain and how factory / battery and non organic farmed meat is treated before slaughter before calling halal 'barbaric' in comparison.

Anyway, as other posters have stated, this is about ONE item that is served infrequently in some schools.

Anyone that has fed their child from a curry house or a turkish / persian restaurant has most likely bought their kids halal meat anyway so don't jump on your high horse now.

This is another piece of sensationalist journalism aimed at promoting islamophobia. I am strongly opposed to islamic extremism, much as I am opposed to christian extremism, jewish extremism and anyone else who uses religion as anything other than a foce for love, compassion and tolerance. I'm an atheist but each to their own I say.

The Argus could have done the responsible thing and clarified some of the myths behind halal meat but no. let's just chuck out a comment baiting sensationalist headline and see what happens.
This is just ridiculous. The myth is that all halal meat is not stunned before slaughter, that is not true. I don't know the exact numbers but it's high 80% / early 90% of all halal meat in this country that is stunned before slaughter. 100% of UK butchered halal chicken is stunned before slaughter...100%! As a rule halal meat is more ethically treated whilst the animal is alive too. All these reactive animal rights activists would do well to understand what goes on in our food chain and how factory / battery and non organic farmed meat is treated before slaughter before calling halal 'barbaric' in comparison. Anyway, as other posters have stated, this is about ONE item that is served infrequently in some schools. Anyone that has fed their child from a curry house or a turkish / persian restaurant has most likely bought their kids halal meat anyway so don't jump on your high horse now. This is another piece of sensationalist journalism aimed at promoting islamophobia. I am strongly opposed to islamic extremism, much as I am opposed to christian extremism, jewish extremism and anyone else who uses religion as anything other than a foce for love, compassion and tolerance. I'm an atheist but each to their own I say. The Argus could have done the responsible thing and clarified some of the myths behind halal meat but no. let's just chuck out a comment baiting sensationalist headline and see what happens. mhaiti
  • Score: 10

11:32am Thu 3 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

s_james wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI


THOUT their parents being informed.
How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?!

88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back:
http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/2014/may/11/halal-m

eat-nandos-pizza-exp

ress-islam
your comment shows that 12% are slaughtered inhumanely then............1% is 1% too many....now post me the figures of how many animals are slaughtered by halal methods in our country per annum........then we will see the figure for the 12%............... which I pressume will be in the thousands.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed.[/p][/quote]How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?! 88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back: http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/11/halal-m eat-nandos-pizza-exp ress-islam[/p][/quote]your comment shows that 12% are slaughtered inhumanely then............1% is 1% too many....now post me the figures of how many animals are slaughtered by halal methods in our country per annum........then we will see the figure for the 12%............... which I pressume will be in the thousands. cookie_brighton
  • Score: -1

11:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

aintnobodygottimeforthat says...

Open Letter,

Parents!!! Stop dilly-dallying, arguing over weather or not your kids are eating halal meat, its just silly. There are real poisons out there that you are feeding them on a daily basis (aspartame, GMO, MSG) that are slowly killing them, yet your worrying about animal slaughter procedures because they have been labeled as Islamic. Google is a thing, use it.......

Don't let your media driven fear of Muslims trickle down into the next generation, educate and teach, don't hate and preach....

#aintnobodygottimefo
rthat
Open Letter, Parents!!! Stop dilly-dallying, arguing over weather or not your kids are eating halal meat, its just silly. There are real poisons out there that you are feeding them on a daily basis (aspartame, GMO, MSG) that are slowly killing them, yet your worrying about animal slaughter procedures because they have been labeled as Islamic. Google is a thing, use it....... Don't let your media driven fear of Muslims trickle down into the next generation, educate and teach, don't hate and preach.... #aintnobodygottimefo rthat aintnobodygottimeforthat
  • Score: -3

11:39am Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

mhaiti wrote:
This is just ridiculous. The myth is that all halal meat is not stunned before slaughter, that is not true. I don't know the exact numbers but it's high 80% / early 90% of all halal meat in this country that is stunned before slaughter. 100% of UK butchered halal chicken is stunned before slaughter...100%! As a rule halal meat is more ethically treated whilst the animal is alive too.

All these reactive animal rights activists would do well to understand what goes on in our food chain and how factory / battery and non organic farmed meat is treated before slaughter before calling halal 'barbaric' in comparison.

Anyway, as other posters have stated, this is about ONE item that is served infrequently in some schools.

Anyone that has fed their child from a curry house or a turkish / persian restaurant has most likely bought their kids halal meat anyway so don't jump on your high horse now.

This is another piece of sensationalist journalism aimed at promoting islamophobia. I am strongly opposed to islamic extremism, much as I am opposed to christian extremism, jewish extremism and anyone else who uses religion as anything other than a foce for love, compassion and tolerance. I'm an atheist but each to their own I say.

The Argus could have done the responsible thing and clarified some of the myths behind halal meat but no. let's just chuck out a comment baiting sensationalist headline and see what happens.
Your attempt to introduce reason and fact into this does you great credit. I wish you luck. You'll need it.

Just one correction - there are no "animal rights activists" in this discussion thread..........
[quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: This is just ridiculous. The myth is that all halal meat is not stunned before slaughter, that is not true. I don't know the exact numbers but it's high 80% / early 90% of all halal meat in this country that is stunned before slaughter. 100% of UK butchered halal chicken is stunned before slaughter...100%! As a rule halal meat is more ethically treated whilst the animal is alive too. All these reactive animal rights activists would do well to understand what goes on in our food chain and how factory / battery and non organic farmed meat is treated before slaughter before calling halal 'barbaric' in comparison. Anyway, as other posters have stated, this is about ONE item that is served infrequently in some schools. Anyone that has fed their child from a curry house or a turkish / persian restaurant has most likely bought their kids halal meat anyway so don't jump on your high horse now. This is another piece of sensationalist journalism aimed at promoting islamophobia. I am strongly opposed to islamic extremism, much as I am opposed to christian extremism, jewish extremism and anyone else who uses religion as anything other than a foce for love, compassion and tolerance. I'm an atheist but each to their own I say. The Argus could have done the responsible thing and clarified some of the myths behind halal meat but no. let's just chuck out a comment baiting sensationalist headline and see what happens.[/p][/quote]Your attempt to introduce reason and fact into this does you great credit. I wish you luck. You'll need it. Just one correction - there are no "animal rights activists" in this discussion thread.......... Andy R
  • Score: 10

11:41am Thu 3 Jul 14

mhaiti says...

Andy R wrote:
mhaiti wrote: This is just ridiculous. The myth is that all halal meat is not stunned before slaughter, that is not true. I don't know the exact numbers but it's high 80% / early 90% of all halal meat in this country that is stunned before slaughter. 100% of UK butchered halal chicken is stunned before slaughter...100%! As a rule halal meat is more ethically treated whilst the animal is alive too. All these reactive animal rights activists would do well to understand what goes on in our food chain and how factory / battery and non organic farmed meat is treated before slaughter before calling halal 'barbaric' in comparison. Anyway, as other posters have stated, this is about ONE item that is served infrequently in some schools. Anyone that has fed their child from a curry house or a turkish / persian restaurant has most likely bought their kids halal meat anyway so don't jump on your high horse now. This is another piece of sensationalist journalism aimed at promoting islamophobia. I am strongly opposed to islamic extremism, much as I am opposed to christian extremism, jewish extremism and anyone else who uses religion as anything other than a foce for love, compassion and tolerance. I'm an atheist but each to their own I say. The Argus could have done the responsible thing and clarified some of the myths behind halal meat but no. let's just chuck out a comment baiting sensationalist headline and see what happens.
Your attempt to introduce reason and fact into this does you great credit. I wish you luck. You'll need it. Just one correction - there are no "animal rights activists" in this discussion thread..........
That was my point, everyone becomes an activist when it suits their views...ignoring everything else about the non halal food chain.

Have just done some research, 125000 pigs are slaughtered each year in the UK without being stunned, can't blame halal or kosher for that can we.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mhaiti[/bold] wrote: This is just ridiculous. The myth is that all halal meat is not stunned before slaughter, that is not true. I don't know the exact numbers but it's high 80% / early 90% of all halal meat in this country that is stunned before slaughter. 100% of UK butchered halal chicken is stunned before slaughter...100%! As a rule halal meat is more ethically treated whilst the animal is alive too. All these reactive animal rights activists would do well to understand what goes on in our food chain and how factory / battery and non organic farmed meat is treated before slaughter before calling halal 'barbaric' in comparison. Anyway, as other posters have stated, this is about ONE item that is served infrequently in some schools. Anyone that has fed their child from a curry house or a turkish / persian restaurant has most likely bought their kids halal meat anyway so don't jump on your high horse now. This is another piece of sensationalist journalism aimed at promoting islamophobia. I am strongly opposed to islamic extremism, much as I am opposed to christian extremism, jewish extremism and anyone else who uses religion as anything other than a foce for love, compassion and tolerance. I'm an atheist but each to their own I say. The Argus could have done the responsible thing and clarified some of the myths behind halal meat but no. let's just chuck out a comment baiting sensationalist headline and see what happens.[/p][/quote]Your attempt to introduce reason and fact into this does you great credit. I wish you luck. You'll need it. Just one correction - there are no "animal rights activists" in this discussion thread..........[/p][/quote]That was my point, everyone becomes an activist when it suits their views...ignoring everything else about the non halal food chain. Have just done some research, 125000 pigs are slaughtered each year in the UK without being stunned, can't blame halal or kosher for that can we. mhaiti
  • Score: 14

11:43am Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Don't let your media driven fear of Muslims trickle down into the next generation, educate and teach, don't hate and preach...."


Er.....it is those who are educated about islam who are pointing out what a vile religion is it, and they are right to educate their children.

The media are simply reporting what goes on amongst islam's followers......do you suggest we shoot the messenger?
"Don't let your media driven fear of Muslims trickle down into the next generation, educate and teach, don't hate and preach...." Er.....it is those who are educated about islam who are pointing out what a vile religion is it, and they are right to educate their children. The media are simply reporting what goes on amongst islam's followers......do you suggest we shoot the messenger? stevo!!
  • Score: -4

11:55am Thu 3 Jul 14

madpants says...

I think people need to keep a sense of perspective here - Noone likes the idea of animals being slaughtered in what is perceived as an 'inhumane' way, but lets not forget that the alternative to halal is a bolt through the brain or electrocution. It is easy to 'forget' what happens to animals before they arrrive at the supermarket nicely packaged, and if we had to slaughter our own animals for meat i suspect more of us would become vegetarians.
I think people need to keep a sense of perspective here - Noone likes the idea of animals being slaughtered in what is perceived as an 'inhumane' way, but lets not forget that the alternative to halal is a bolt through the brain or electrocution. It is easy to 'forget' what happens to animals before they arrrive at the supermarket nicely packaged, and if we had to slaughter our own animals for meat i suspect more of us would become vegetarians. madpants
  • Score: 11

12:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

Maybe, instead of referring to it as "Halal" meat, it would be more appropriate for it to be labelled as "meat killed by throat slitting, without previous stunning". That way there would be no reference to religion, and consumers could make up their own minds about buying it.
Maybe, instead of referring to it as "Halal" meat, it would be more appropriate for it to be labelled as "meat killed by throat slitting, without previous stunning". That way there would be no reference to religion, and consumers could make up their own minds about buying it. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 3

12:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

andrewedmondson says...

There is far more Halal meat sold in this country than is consumed by Muslims. The reason is that large abattoirs distribute meat all over the world and so it is more efficient for it all to be Halal.

Most Halal meat in this country is from stunned animals. But you will never know because it is not labelled Halal or Pre-stunned. That's what people are annoyed about.

Having a tannoy blaring out prayers as animals are slaughtered is innocuous to all but the poor workers. Not stunning animals before slaughter is a welfare issue.

But as many readers have commented, if you eat meat and care about animal welfare, only buy meat that is properly free range. The same goes for dairy products and products made from them. And next time you open a can of dog or cat food, ponder where the meat came from. Your pet food might be someone else's factory farmed pets.
There is far more Halal meat sold in this country than is consumed by Muslims. The reason is that large abattoirs distribute meat all over the world and so it is more efficient for it all to be Halal. Most Halal meat in this country is from stunned animals. But you will never know because it is not labelled Halal or Pre-stunned. That's what people are annoyed about. Having a tannoy blaring out prayers as animals are slaughtered is innocuous to all but the poor workers. Not stunning animals before slaughter is a welfare issue. But as many readers have commented, if you eat meat and care about animal welfare, only buy meat that is properly free range. The same goes for dairy products and products made from them. And next time you open a can of dog or cat food, ponder where the meat came from. Your pet food might be someone else's factory farmed pets. andrewedmondson
  • Score: 12

12:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying. Andy R
  • Score: 14

12:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

notaconspiracy says...

Oh no! Does this mean that children eating meat at those schools will get ill, or their education suffer, or anything happen to them, whatsoever?

thought not...
Oh no! Does this mean that children eating meat at those schools will get ill, or their education suffer, or anything happen to them, whatsoever? thought not... notaconspiracy
  • Score: 2

12:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
Who was complaining about them not integrating?

I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon.

We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country.

Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts.

The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities.

As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit.

I take it you'll celebrating the anniversary of 7/7 on Monday.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying.[/p][/quote]Who was complaining about them not integrating? I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon. We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country. Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts. The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities. As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit. I take it you'll celebrating the anniversary of 7/7 on Monday. stevo!!
  • Score: -9

12:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Mr. P says...

Warning, this meat may contain traces of religion.
Warning, this meat may contain traces of religion. Mr. P
  • Score: 5

12:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
Who was complaining about them not integrating?

I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon.

We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country.

Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts.

The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities.

As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit.

I take it you'll celebrating the anniversary of 7/7 on Monday.
Really lapsing into it now. The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. Carry on......
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying.[/p][/quote]Who was complaining about them not integrating? I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon. We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country. Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts. The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities. As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit. I take it you'll celebrating the anniversary of 7/7 on Monday.[/p][/quote]Really lapsing into it now. The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. Carry on...... Andy R
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

What's an "ethnic", by the way?

As opposed to someone who isn't "ethnic"......
What's an "ethnic", by the way? As opposed to someone who isn't "ethnic"...... Andy R
  • Score: 11

1:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

AlanPare says...

Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
Who was complaining about them not integrating?

I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon.

We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country.

Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts.

The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities.

As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit.

I take it you'll celebrating the anniversary of 7/7 on Monday.
Really lapsing into it now. The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. Carry on......
Stevo!! - The gift that keeps on giving...
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying.[/p][/quote]Who was complaining about them not integrating? I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon. We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country. Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts. The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities. As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit. I take it you'll celebrating the anniversary of 7/7 on Monday.[/p][/quote]Really lapsing into it now. The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. Carry on......[/p][/quote]Stevo!! - The gift that keeps on giving... AlanPare
  • Score: 5

1:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Number Six says...

How many parents who think halal meat is bad for the kiddy-widdies are more than happy to feed them MacDonalds?
How many parents who think halal meat is bad for the kiddy-widdies are more than happy to feed them MacDonalds? Number Six
  • Score: 6

1:33pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Bsxking1 says...

One word - Disgusting, what an earth is this country coming to
One word - Disgusting, what an earth is this country coming to Bsxking1
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jamiecong says...

Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch.

Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating.

The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting.

One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.
Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch. Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating. The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting. One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub. jamiecong
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Bsxking1 says...

What an earth is this country coming to!!
What an earth is this country coming to!! Bsxking1
  • Score: 1

1:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

s&k says...

jamiecong wrote:
Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch. Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating. The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting. One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.
I think you'll find all the parents quoted here are just asking they know where/how the meat is sourced. I don't think that's too unreasonable.
[quote][p][bold]jamiecong[/bold] wrote: Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch. Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating. The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting. One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find all the parents quoted here are just asking they know where/how the meat is sourced. I don't think that's too unreasonable. s&k
  • Score: 5

2:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Minger21 says...

stevo!! says...

s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.


Stevo. What is the problem with Asian mayors, and the demographic of London? And the "takeover" you mention? Do you know something we don't? Are Asians planning to take over the planet?

It seems quite clear from the article that this was a mistake. But don't let that get in the way of your good old fashioned soapbox moment! It sounds like you just don't like people who hail from different places and don't look like you. I'd rather have a country full of "asians" than people like you. (Incidentally, I have a mental picture of you being white, wearing a vest, drinking Stella, saying how amazing you think Farage is whilst sitting outside your house bedecked with "Engerland" flags. A house, incidentally, mostly kitted out with imported products, probably a lot from Asia. Am I close?)

Ok, I'm done feeding the troll now. I couldn't resist, sorry everyone! He really made me laugh, and I'm on a post-lunch sugar rush.

This really does seem much ado about nothing. An apparent mistake and suddenly it's a conspiracy and everyone's up in arms about it? Get a grip.

I doubt those complaining have checked with the school previously to see where all the food comes from that their kids eat. I bet they don't ask in KFC/McDs/BK etc or in the kebab/curry house. So why worry about this? I can understand perhaps it should have said on the menu, but since when have any of us (who don't need to eat halal/kosher etc) worried about how our meat was killed, if we're honest?

Yes, there are potentially animal welfare issues with halal meat although it seems a lot of it is still stunned. Anyone who thinks the "normal" way of slaughter is all fluffy and nice in comparison should really go and see for themselves.

Feels very much complaining for complaining's sake, this.
[quote]stevo!! says... s_james wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam. It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is. [/quote] Stevo. What is the problem with Asian mayors, and the demographic of London? And the "takeover" you mention? Do you know something we don't? Are Asians planning to take over the planet? It seems quite clear from the article that this was a mistake. But don't let that get in the way of your good old fashioned soapbox moment! It sounds like you just don't like people who hail from different places and don't look like you. I'd rather have a country full of "asians" than people like you. (Incidentally, I have a mental picture of you being white, wearing a vest, drinking Stella, saying how amazing you think Farage is whilst sitting outside your house bedecked with "Engerland" flags. A house, incidentally, mostly kitted out with imported products, probably a lot from Asia. Am I close?) Ok, I'm done feeding the troll now. I couldn't resist, sorry everyone! He really made me laugh, and I'm on a post-lunch sugar rush. This really does seem much ado about nothing. An apparent mistake and suddenly it's a conspiracy and everyone's up in arms about it? Get a grip. I doubt those complaining have checked with the school previously to see where all the food comes from that their kids eat. I bet they don't ask in KFC/McDs/BK etc or in the kebab/curry house. So why worry about this? I can understand perhaps it should have said on the menu, but since when have any of us (who don't need to eat halal/kosher etc) worried about how our meat was killed, if we're honest? Yes, there are potentially animal welfare issues with halal meat although it seems a lot of it is still stunned. Anyone who thinks the "normal" way of slaughter is all fluffy and nice in comparison should really go and see for themselves. Feels very much complaining for complaining's sake, this. Minger21
  • Score: 11

2:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ash_11 says...

This is a must watch, very informative information on this matter in particular, have a read.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=sHqYKqqeH
q4&feature=kp
This is a must watch, very informative information on this matter in particular, have a read. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=sHqYKqqeH q4&feature=kp Ash_11
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

It will be kids at school wearing the hijab next,
Should I have said that or will a Fatwah be put on me
It will be kids at school wearing the hijab next, Should I have said that or will a Fatwah be put on me ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 4

2:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

Andy R wrote:
Brighton mum wrote:
Oh look at that LONGHILL involved and stride denying everything .........typical of that man .....I'm glad I send a pack lunch for my child how dare they think they can get away with this ......
What's Mr Stride actually "denying" then? Crikey....what an object lesson in how hysteria works.

I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century during a witch panic.........
I think we'd all like to see you propelled back to the 14th century Andy.

No offence.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton mum[/bold] wrote: Oh look at that LONGHILL involved and stride denying everything .........typical of that man .....I'm glad I send a pack lunch for my child how dare they think they can get away with this ......[/p][/quote]What's Mr Stride actually "denying" then? Crikey....what an object lesson in how hysteria works. I feel like I've been propelled back to the 14th century during a witch panic.........[/p][/quote]I think we'd all like to see you propelled back to the 14th century Andy. No offence. Quiterie
  • Score: 7

2:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

jamiecong wrote:
Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch.

Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating.

The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting.

One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.
I think you'll find it's actually illegal to purchase a kebab UNLESS you're on the way home from the pub.......
[quote][p][bold]jamiecong[/bold] wrote: Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch. Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating. The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting. One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it's actually illegal to purchase a kebab UNLESS you're on the way home from the pub....... Quiterie
  • Score: 7

2:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Andy R says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
It will be kids at school wearing the hijab next,
Should I have said that or will a Fatwah be put on me
Brilliant. A bit of daft satire always defuses the tension.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: It will be kids at school wearing the hijab next, Should I have said that or will a Fatwah be put on me[/p][/quote]Brilliant. A bit of daft satire always defuses the tension. Andy R
  • Score: 0

3:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

rolivan says...

I think parents should be more worried about the food itself that their children are being served as it would seem the majority is processed.
I think parents should be more worried about the food itself that their children are being served as it would seem the majority is processed. rolivan
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Diliusdog2 says...

You'e all worried about how the animals are killed but nothing about the welfare whilst they are alive!!! Eat only free range organic! Those who can't afford it, pack in the sweets and fags.
You'e all worried about how the animals are killed but nothing about the welfare whilst they are alive!!! Eat only free range organic! Those who can't afford it, pack in the sweets and fags. Diliusdog2
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

WooahWooah says...

Quiterie wrote:
I love the quote from one of the mothers...... "I have got absolutely no idea about it, I don’t really care"..... thanks for that insight Argus!
Yeah, I loved that too. Also this amazing insight:

Nicky Bassett, headteacher of Peacehaven Community School, said: “As headteacher of Peacehaven Community School my preference would be ..."

Who writes this rubbish? Should they be humanely edited?
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: I love the quote from one of the mothers...... "I have got absolutely no idea about it, I don’t really care"..... thanks for that insight Argus![/p][/quote]Yeah, I loved that too. Also this amazing insight: Nicky Bassett, headteacher of Peacehaven Community School, said: “As headteacher of Peacehaven Community School my preference would be ..." Who writes this rubbish? Should they be humanely edited? WooahWooah
  • Score: 5

3:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Old Ladys Gin says...

rolivan wrote:
I think parents should be more worried about the food itself that their children are being served as it would seem the majority is processed.
Exactly! It hardly matters where and how it has come onto the plate as the majority of it would be awful in the extreme.
If animals are going to die so we can eat them at very least serve them up as something halfway decent.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: I think parents should be more worried about the food itself that their children are being served as it would seem the majority is processed.[/p][/quote]Exactly! It hardly matters where and how it has come onto the plate as the majority of it would be awful in the extreme. If animals are going to die so we can eat them at very least serve them up as something halfway decent. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 2

4:55pm Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"What's an "ethnic", by the way?"

It's a slang term for one who is of an ethnic minority.

" The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. "

Pointing out what is going on somewhere is perfectly respectable.

"One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored."

Disliking what children are been fed isn't 'racist', and neither is disliking halal meat.....you'll find that thousands of vegetarians will object to halal meat - does that mean veggies are intrinsically racist?

"Stevo. What is the problem with Asian mayors, and the demographic of London? And the "takeover" you mention? Do you know something we don't? Are Asians planning to take over the planet?"

Questions asked by someone who knows nothing of what the muslims are up to.
"What's an "ethnic", by the way?" It's a slang term for one who is of an ethnic minority. " The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. " Pointing out what is going on somewhere is perfectly respectable. "One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored." Disliking what children are been fed isn't 'racist', and neither is disliking halal meat.....you'll find that thousands of vegetarians will object to halal meat - does that mean veggies are intrinsically racist? "Stevo. What is the problem with Asian mayors, and the demographic of London? And the "takeover" you mention? Do you know something we don't? Are Asians planning to take over the planet?" Questions asked by someone who knows nothing of what the muslims are up to. stevo!!
  • Score: -9

5:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
It will be kids at school wearing the hijab next,
Should I have said that or will a Fatwah be put on me
Many a true word is spoken in jest.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: It will be kids at school wearing the hijab next, Should I have said that or will a Fatwah be put on me[/p][/quote]Many a true word is spoken in jest. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

5:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

NathanAdler says...

I love animals and get more upset at animal cruelty than I do human cruelty. However, I am not a woolley Green supporter and I eat animals!!

However, I do prefer my meat to come from ethically sound farming and can confirm without a shadow of doubt that halal is evil - pure hatred towards animals.

I can't comment on Islam as a whole because I would be arrested if I cause any offence, but halal butchery is utterly barbaric. And I won't even eat a kebab that says "Halal" on the menu!!
I love animals and get more upset at animal cruelty than I do human cruelty. However, I am not a woolley Green supporter and I eat animals!! However, I do prefer my meat to come from ethically sound farming and can confirm without a shadow of doubt that halal is evil - pure hatred towards animals. I can't comment on Islam as a whole because I would be arrested if I cause any offence, but halal butchery is utterly barbaric. And I won't even eat a kebab that says "Halal" on the menu!! NathanAdler
  • Score: 5

5:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

just-a-person says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This is what happens when you allow the conservatives into power - it was them - the evil Thatcher - that first did this. As a result the catering companies - who aim to make a MINIMUM of 70% from everything they sell, are sourcing the cheapest products possible because all they are interested in, is making a profit, nothing more.

These companies couldn't care less what they are feeding kids, they don't care that for so many this is the only meal they eat each day. The products used are cheap and bad quality, so is it any wonder our kids at state schools are not doing so well. Kids need good food, it feeds their brains and their bodies and without that they won't do so well.

What a shame that this was allowed to happen and nothing has been done to change this problem.
Do you have evidence the catering companies aim to make a 70% minimum profit ?
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: This is what happens when you allow the conservatives into power - it was them - the evil Thatcher - that first did this. As a result the catering companies - who aim to make a MINIMUM of 70% from everything they sell, are sourcing the cheapest products possible because all they are interested in, is making a profit, nothing more. These companies couldn't care less what they are feeding kids, they don't care that for so many this is the only meal they eat each day. The products used are cheap and bad quality, so is it any wonder our kids at state schools are not doing so well. Kids need good food, it feeds their brains and their bodies and without that they won't do so well. What a shame that this was allowed to happen and nothing has been done to change this problem.[/p][/quote]Do you have evidence the catering companies aim to make a 70% minimum profit ? just-a-person
  • Score: 1

5:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

fredaj says...

Andy R wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
LargeAndInCharge wrote:
I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!!
I eat meat, by choice........I do not want to be a vegetarian or a vegan, what I do want , is to know that the meat I am eating has come from an animal that has been humanely slaughtered, thats not the case in halal slaughters.
Yeah....we need only "local" abbatoirs, where the cuddly moo cows and baa lambs are given a little sugary pill which sends them gently to sleep.......
Are you really saying that because they eat meat they lose all right to have an opinion on how the animals are slaughtered?

Because that's a rather odd viewpoint as they are the only ones who are eating that meat.

If you eat the meat you should be allowed both information on how their meat is reared and and how it is killed and you are most certainly entitled to have an opinion on that information.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LargeAndInCharge[/bold] wrote: I agree with most of the comments on here. Meat comes from DEAD ANIMALS. If you feel that strongly about it then become a vegetarian!![/p][/quote]I eat meat, by choice........I do not want to be a vegetarian or a vegan, what I do want , is to know that the meat I am eating has come from an animal that has been humanely slaughtered, thats not the case in halal slaughters.[/p][/quote]Yeah....we need only "local" abbatoirs, where the cuddly moo cows and baa lambs are given a little sugary pill which sends them gently to sleep.......[/p][/quote]Are you really saying that because they eat meat they lose all right to have an opinion on how the animals are slaughtered? Because that's a rather odd viewpoint as they are the only ones who are eating that meat. If you eat the meat you should be allowed both information on how their meat is reared and and how it is killed and you are most certainly entitled to have an opinion on that information. fredaj
  • Score: 5

6:00pm Thu 3 Jul 14

just-a-person says...

argchat wrote:
Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
An absolute disgrace all this. I spent a considerable amount of time in Luton where you would expect Halal meat to be served in schools due to the high number of muslim pupils, but down here get real. This is either being done to please a tiny minority or it is being done because the meats are cheaper. Parents need to be told what there kids are eating, one for religious reasons and two for the welfare of animal. It's not fair to be eating something you do not subscribe too.
It states it was a clerical error not ongoing. How many parents bother to ask the school what there child is eating and were it comes from ? Our school kitchen would be happy to speak to any parent about the food but apart from an odd phone call regarding allergies no one has bothered. Truth is you couldn't care less until there is something to shout about. Do you even know what was on today's menu ?
[quote][p][bold]argchat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]An absolute disgrace all this. I spent a considerable amount of time in Luton where you would expect Halal meat to be served in schools due to the high number of muslim pupils, but down here get real. This is either being done to please a tiny minority or it is being done because the meats are cheaper. Parents need to be told what there kids are eating, one for religious reasons and two for the welfare of animal. It's not fair to be eating something you do not subscribe too.[/p][/quote]It states it was a clerical error not ongoing. How many parents bother to ask the school what there child is eating and were it comes from ? Our school kitchen would be happy to speak to any parent about the food but apart from an odd phone call regarding allergies no one has bothered. Truth is you couldn't care less until there is something to shout about. Do you even know what was on today's menu ? just-a-person
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

fredaj says...

NathanAdler wrote:
I love animals and get more upset at animal cruelty than I do human cruelty. However, I am not a woolley Green supporter and I eat animals!!

However, I do prefer my meat to come from ethically sound farming and can confirm without a shadow of doubt that halal is evil - pure hatred towards animals.

I can't comment on Islam as a whole because I would be arrested if I cause any offence, but halal butchery is utterly barbaric. And I won't even eat a kebab that says "Halal" on the menu!!
You will not be arrested for giving your opinion on Islam whether or not it causes offence - you are actually still allowed to cause offence in the country!

What you must not do is use threatening words or behaviour to incite religious hatred.

You can be abusive and you can be insulting, as well as being offensive.

Public Order Act 1986 as amended.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: I love animals and get more upset at animal cruelty than I do human cruelty. However, I am not a woolley Green supporter and I eat animals!! However, I do prefer my meat to come from ethically sound farming and can confirm without a shadow of doubt that halal is evil - pure hatred towards animals. I can't comment on Islam as a whole because I would be arrested if I cause any offence, but halal butchery is utterly barbaric. And I won't even eat a kebab that says "Halal" on the menu!![/p][/quote]You will not be arrested for giving your opinion on Islam whether or not it causes offence - you are actually still allowed to cause offence in the country! What you must not do is use threatening words or behaviour to incite religious hatred. You can be abusive and you can be insulting, as well as being offensive. Public Order Act 1986 as amended. fredaj
  • Score: 5

6:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

VoxUnpopuli says...

If you lot think that the worst thing that happens in an abattoir is some beardy bloke shouting "Allah Akbar" everytime an animal is killed, then you have a nasty shock in store! Animals may well be "ethically farmed" (although a lot of that is questionable) but once they get to the slaughterhouse they all get treated the same. Also, as someone else pointed out but it's worth repeating, if you have every had a takeaway curry or kebab then you will have already eaten halal meat.
If you lot think that the worst thing that happens in an abattoir is some beardy bloke shouting "Allah Akbar" everytime an animal is killed, then you have a nasty shock in store! Animals may well be "ethically farmed" (although a lot of that is questionable) but once they get to the slaughterhouse they all get treated the same. Also, as someone else pointed out but it's worth repeating, if you have every had a takeaway curry or kebab then you will have already eaten halal meat. VoxUnpopuli
  • Score: 6

7:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Minger21 says...

stevo!! wrote:
"What's an "ethnic", by the way?"

It's a slang term for one who is of an ethnic minority.

" The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. "

Pointing out what is going on somewhere is perfectly respectable.

"One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored."

Disliking what children are been fed isn't 'racist', and neither is disliking halal meat.....you'll find that thousands of vegetarians will object to halal meat - does that mean veggies are intrinsically racist?

"Stevo. What is the problem with Asian mayors, and the demographic of London? And the "takeover" you mention? Do you know something we don't? Are Asians planning to take over the planet?"

Questions asked by someone who knows nothing of what the muslims are up to.
Would I have asked the question if I knew what was going on in your head? Muppet.

Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up.

Kisses!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "What's an "ethnic", by the way?" It's a slang term for one who is of an ethnic minority. " The old respectable facade more or less stripped away. " Pointing out what is going on somewhere is perfectly respectable. "One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored." Disliking what children are been fed isn't 'racist', and neither is disliking halal meat.....you'll find that thousands of vegetarians will object to halal meat - does that mean veggies are intrinsically racist? "Stevo. What is the problem with Asian mayors, and the demographic of London? And the "takeover" you mention? Do you know something we don't? Are Asians planning to take over the planet?" Questions asked by someone who knows nothing of what the muslims are up to.[/p][/quote]Would I have asked the question if I knew what was going on in your head? Muppet. Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up. Kisses! Minger21
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

19frenchie87 says...

Muslim food out its a disgrace this is being served to our kids !!!!!!!
Muslim food out its a disgrace this is being served to our kids !!!!!!! 19frenchie87
  • Score: 10

7:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up."

I'd answer them if you weren't abuse.

You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter.

Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners.
"Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up." I'd answer them if you weren't abuse. You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter. Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners. stevo!!
  • Score: -7

7:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up."

I'd answer them if you weren't abusive.

You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter.

Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners.
"Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up." I'd answer them if you weren't abusive. You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter. Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

8:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

MasonStorm says...

This is disgraceful. No-one wants muslim food. It's disgusting.
This is disgraceful. No-one wants muslim food. It's disgusting. MasonStorm
  • Score: 12

9:31pm Thu 3 Jul 14

hubby says...

Britain is going to the dogs.
Imagine if non halal meat was served to Muslims as halal.
There would be a Jihad.
Try walking into a bank with a crash helmet on. Or a petrol station even.
Try having your passport photo done with a hat on.
Yet you can do all of these things with a Bhurka on.
Demonstrations with women in Bhurkas holding placards saying "Die British squaddies" is fine. Yet try attending a demonstration with a balaclava on if you are peaceful and white.
I'm afraid the ship has sailed and you'd all better get a taste for halal,stonings......
.and your little girls for a bit of "Thighing".
It is disgusting. Islam is not and never should be part of Britain.
Britain is going to the dogs. Imagine if non halal meat was served to Muslims as halal. There would be a Jihad. Try walking into a bank with a crash helmet on. Or a petrol station even. Try having your passport photo done with a hat on. Yet you can do all of these things with a Bhurka on. Demonstrations with women in Bhurkas holding placards saying "Die British squaddies" is fine. Yet try attending a demonstration with a balaclava on if you are peaceful and white. I'm afraid the ship has sailed and you'd all better get a taste for halal,stonings...... .and your little girls for a bit of "Thighing". It is disgusting. Islam is not and never should be part of Britain. hubby
  • Score: 8

9:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
British meat is slaughtered humanely Halal meat is not hear go have a watch see how it makes you feel afterwards https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH
_q0
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]British meat is slaughtered humanely Halal meat is not hear go have a watch see how it makes you feel afterwards https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH _q0 wippasnapper
  • Score: 2

9:45pm Thu 3 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

Morpheus wrote:
What a lot a fuss about eating meat that can have done no harm. The problem does show that we may not always know what is in prepared food and this is the real issue.
It may not do the person eating it any harm it may not course any pain to the person eating it but the animals are still alive they suffer a slow painful death halal meat has been brutality murder only an Islamic person would feel it ok so watch and weep https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH
_q0
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: What a lot a fuss about eating meat that can have done no harm. The problem does show that we may not always know what is in prepared food and this is the real issue.[/p][/quote]It may not do the person eating it any harm it may not course any pain to the person eating it but the animals are still alive they suffer a slow painful death halal meat has been brutality murder only an Islamic person would feel it ok so watch and weep https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH _q0 wippasnapper
  • Score: 2

10:00pm Thu 3 Jul 14

wippasnapper says...

To anyone that feels Halal meat is ok to eat you should first watch this video if it has no effect on you that’s grate it just means you have no sense of humanity but for the people of this world that believe no one animal or human should suffer a brutality inhuman method of murder then they should not be made to eat any foods that they feel has been inhumanly murdered https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH
_q0 i.e. any food being served in a restaurant, hotel, café or Scholl should be clearly labelled for personal chose i.e. like if it has nuts in it et.
To anyone that feels Halal meat is ok to eat you should first watch this video if it has no effect on you that’s grate it just means you have no sense of humanity but for the people of this world that believe no one animal or human should suffer a brutality inhuman method of murder then they should not be made to eat any foods that they feel has been inhumanly murdered https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=ZE2svQFH _q0 i.e. any food being served in a restaurant, hotel, café or Scholl should be clearly labelled for personal chose i.e. like if it has nuts in it et. wippasnapper
  • Score: 4

10:11pm Thu 3 Jul 14

SussexInfidel01 says...

What everyone has overlooked is religious slaughter is allowed for that religion only. It is not meant for mainstream consumption. DEFRA know the rules yet have failed to act. Kosher meat isnt forced upon us so why is halal? Simple labelling would give the consumer information to make an informed choice!
What everyone has overlooked is religious slaughter is allowed for that religion only. It is not meant for mainstream consumption. DEFRA know the rules yet have failed to act. Kosher meat isnt forced upon us so why is halal? Simple labelling would give the consumer information to make an informed choice! SussexInfidel01
  • Score: 4

10:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

just-a-person says...

hubby wrote:
Britain is going to the dogs.
Imagine if non halal meat was served to Muslims as halal.
There would be a Jihad.
Try walking into a bank with a crash helmet on. Or a petrol station even.
Try having your passport photo done with a hat on.
Yet you can do all of these things with a Bhurka on.
Demonstrations with women in Bhurkas holding placards saying "Die British squaddies" is fine. Yet try attending a demonstration with a balaclava on if you are peaceful and white.
I'm afraid the ship has sailed and you'd all better get a taste for halal,stonings......

.and your little girls for a bit of "Thighing".
It is disgusting. Islam is not and never should be part of Britain.
That's why you moved to Spain right ?
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: Britain is going to the dogs. Imagine if non halal meat was served to Muslims as halal. There would be a Jihad. Try walking into a bank with a crash helmet on. Or a petrol station even. Try having your passport photo done with a hat on. Yet you can do all of these things with a Bhurka on. Demonstrations with women in Bhurkas holding placards saying "Die British squaddies" is fine. Yet try attending a demonstration with a balaclava on if you are peaceful and white. I'm afraid the ship has sailed and you'd all better get a taste for halal,stonings...... .and your little girls for a bit of "Thighing". It is disgusting. Islam is not and never should be part of Britain.[/p][/quote]That's why you moved to Spain right ? just-a-person
  • Score: 1

12:26am Fri 4 Jul 14

Motorcyclist says...

So many sad inadequate racists and religious bigots here.

Why are you so scared?
So many sad inadequate racists and religious bigots here. Why are you so scared? Motorcyclist
  • Score: -12

2:10am Fri 4 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Motorcyclist wrote:
So many sad inadequate racists and religious bigots here.

Why are you so scared?
It isn't 'racist' to be aware of a threat, idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: So many sad inadequate racists and religious bigots here. Why are you so scared?[/p][/quote]It isn't 'racist' to be aware of a threat, idiot. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

7:37am Fri 4 Jul 14

hoveguyactually says...

Regardless of religion or politics, cruelty to animals is cruelty, and should be banned in this country. It is the 21st century and people should stop trying to live in the middle ages. What is the worst thing that could happen to someone eating meat from an animal that was totally unconscious when it was killed? Apart from their absorption of steroids and other chemicals, that is? Will they be struck by lightning? It is a load of outdated superstitious claptrap, like a lot of idiotic religious practices dominating so many lives today.
Regardless of religion or politics, cruelty to animals is cruelty, and should be banned in this country. It is the 21st century and people should stop trying to live in the middle ages. What is the worst thing that could happen to someone eating meat from an animal that was totally unconscious when it was killed? Apart from their absorption of steroids and other chemicals, that is? Will they be struck by lightning? It is a load of outdated superstitious claptrap, like a lot of idiotic religious practices dominating so many lives today. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 4

8:09am Fri 4 Jul 14

Juleyanne says...

Slitting a terrified animals throat is NOT OK, it is barbaric, cruel and utterly wrong. I shudder at the mentality of those who care nothing for animal welfare. They must be born without compassion and conscience and frankly disgust me.
Slitting a terrified animals throat is NOT OK, it is barbaric, cruel and utterly wrong. I shudder at the mentality of those who care nothing for animal welfare. They must be born without compassion and conscience and frankly disgust me. Juleyanne
  • Score: 4

8:25am Fri 4 Jul 14

JHunty says...

Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
OMG I find myself agreeing with an Andy R post. I am off to kill myself. Dont worry Steveo I wont do it in a Halal fashion I will stun myself first by reading through all your posts
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying.[/p][/quote]OMG I find myself agreeing with an Andy R post. I am off to kill myself. Dont worry Steveo I wont do it in a Halal fashion I will stun myself first by reading through all your posts JHunty
  • Score: 4

8:39am Fri 4 Jul 14

Andy R says...

JHunty wrote:
Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
OMG I find myself agreeing with an Andy R post. I am off to kill myself. Dont worry Steveo I wont do it in a Halal fashion I will stun myself first by reading through all your posts
I'd actually give that a "like" if it was possible on here.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying.[/p][/quote]OMG I find myself agreeing with an Andy R post. I am off to kill myself. Dont worry Steveo I wont do it in a Halal fashion I will stun myself first by reading through all your posts[/p][/quote]I'd actually give that a "like" if it was possible on here. Andy R
  • Score: 0

9:44am Fri 4 Jul 14

SuzieB says...

wibblewibble wrote:
considering its the kids eating it perhaps explain to them the difference in slaughter methods and ask them which version they would prefer on the lunch menu.
Children can sometimes be far more intelligent than adults on this issue.
Perhaps if children were SHOWN the different slaughter methods they'd all make the intelligent choice not to eat any of it. Children naturally love animals and by giving them meat to eat without being honest about what it is and the process of how it lands on their plate we are practising a deception and breach of trust.
[quote][p][bold]wibblewibble[/bold] wrote: considering its the kids eating it perhaps explain to them the difference in slaughter methods and ask them which version they would prefer on the lunch menu. Children can sometimes be far more intelligent than adults on this issue.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if children were SHOWN the different slaughter methods they'd all make the intelligent choice not to eat any of it. Children naturally love animals and by giving them meat to eat without being honest about what it is and the process of how it lands on their plate we are practising a deception and breach of trust. SuzieB
  • Score: 2

10:37am Fri 4 Jul 14

gheese77 says...

hubby wrote:
I am a vegetarian and have been for over 25 years.Therefore I don't really care which way an animal is killed,it is still being killed and it is in my opinion unnecessary and wrong.Creating Halal meat is a slightly more barbaric way of killing animals,but the animal still ends up being dead and getting eaten.
People should be told what they are eating and how it has been killed.Most kids don't even associate the bacon,sausages,lamb chops and beefburgers on their plates with real animals.
Oh.......and abbatoirs should be made of glass. There would be a lot more vegetarians.
And more window cleaners
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: I am a vegetarian and have been for over 25 years.Therefore I don't really care which way an animal is killed,it is still being killed and it is in my opinion unnecessary and wrong.Creating Halal meat is a slightly more barbaric way of killing animals,but the animal still ends up being dead and getting eaten. People should be told what they are eating and how it has been killed.Most kids don't even associate the bacon,sausages,lamb chops and beefburgers on their plates with real animals. Oh.......and abbatoirs should be made of glass. There would be a lot more vegetarians.[/p][/quote]And more window cleaners gheese77
  • Score: 1

10:46am Fri 4 Jul 14

Minger21 says...

stevo!! says...

"Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up."

I'd answer them if you weren't abusive.

You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter.

Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners.


If you consider the term "muppet" abuse, fair enough. I'd say that's a little hypocritical from someone who has just referred to another poster as an "idiot", but whatever floats your boat dear.

I do not ask questions that I know the answer to. I want to understand what your problem with having an Asian Mayor would be, and why you consider London to be less than great due to it's demographic.

Seems quite reasonable to me for someone to ask you to explain comments you have made - you seem to have a specific problem with Asian people. I am genuinely curious as to why that is.

You have so far completely avoided the questions I put to you. I wonder why that is? What's the problem?

If you don't answer the questions I have put to you I'll assume you don't have a decent answer.
[quote]stevo!! says... "Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up." I'd answer them if you weren't abusive. You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter. Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners. [/quote] If you consider the term "muppet" abuse, fair enough. I'd say that's a little hypocritical from someone who has just referred to another poster as an "idiot", but whatever floats your boat dear. I do not ask questions that I know the answer to. I want to understand what your problem with having an Asian Mayor would be, and why you consider London to be less than great due to it's demographic. Seems quite reasonable to me for someone to ask you to explain comments you have made - you seem to have a specific problem with Asian people. I am genuinely curious as to why that is. You have so far completely avoided the questions I put to you. I wonder why that is? What's the problem? If you don't answer the questions I have put to you I'll assume you don't have a decent answer. Minger21
  • Score: 0

11:58am Fri 4 Jul 14

cookie_brighton says...

s_james wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI


THOUT their parents being informed.
How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?!

88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back:
http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/2014/may/11/halal-m

eat-nandos-pizza-exp

ress-islam
the way they have their throats cut is against our laws..it is an inhumane way of killing an animal............ke
ep up.... our government make exceptions for halal slaughter.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed.[/p][/quote]How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?! 88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back: http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/11/halal-m eat-nandos-pizza-exp ress-islam[/p][/quote]the way they have their throats cut is against our laws..it is an inhumane way of killing an animal............ke ep up.... our government make exceptions for halal slaughter. cookie_brighton
  • Score: 3

12:10pm Fri 4 Jul 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
s_james wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI



THOUT their parents being informed.
How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?!

88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back:
http://www.theguardi


an.com/commentisfree


/2014/may/11/halal-m


eat-nandos-pizza-exp


ress-islam
the way they have their throats cut is against our laws..it is an inhumane way of killing an animal............ke

ep up.... our government make exceptions for halal slaughter.
Originally the exception was made for kosher slaughter - when we had an enormous influx of jews. Once that had been allowed, which it never should have been, they couldn't then refuse halal - which is done in the same way as halal.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed.[/p][/quote]How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?! 88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back: http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/11/halal-m eat-nandos-pizza-exp ress-islam[/p][/quote]the way they have their throats cut is against our laws..it is an inhumane way of killing an animal............ke ep up.... our government make exceptions for halal slaughter.[/p][/quote]Originally the exception was made for kosher slaughter - when we had an enormous influx of jews. Once that had been allowed, which it never should have been, they couldn't then refuse halal - which is done in the same way as halal. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 0

12:34pm Fri 4 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Minger21 wrote:
stevo!! says...

"Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up."

I'd answer them if you weren't abusive.

You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter.

Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners.


If you consider the term "muppet" abuse, fair enough. I'd say that's a little hypocritical from someone who has just referred to another poster as an "idiot", but whatever floats your boat dear.

I do not ask questions that I know the answer to. I want to understand what your problem with having an Asian Mayor would be, and why you consider London to be less than great due to it's demographic.

Seems quite reasonable to me for someone to ask you to explain comments you have made - you seem to have a specific problem with Asian people. I am genuinely curious as to why that is.

You have so far completely avoided the questions I put to you. I wonder why that is? What's the problem?

If you don't answer the questions I have put to you I'll assume you don't have a decent answer.
Here are my previous comments dealing with the information you are seeking. Please quote any comments that you don't understand:

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.

It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon.

We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country.

Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts.

The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities.

As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit.


HTH
[quote][p][bold]Minger21[/bold] wrote: [quote]stevo!! says... "Don't avoid the questions by trying to give me the old switcheroo. If you are going to make such statements, either back it up or shut up." I'd answer them if you weren't abusive. You based them on my earlier post, which means that you know my thoughts on the matter. Go back and read it, see if you understanding it this time around, and learn some manners. [/quote] If you consider the term "muppet" abuse, fair enough. I'd say that's a little hypocritical from someone who has just referred to another poster as an "idiot", but whatever floats your boat dear. I do not ask questions that I know the answer to. I want to understand what your problem with having an Asian Mayor would be, and why you consider London to be less than great due to it's demographic. Seems quite reasonable to me for someone to ask you to explain comments you have made - you seem to have a specific problem with Asian people. I am genuinely curious as to why that is. You have so far completely avoided the questions I put to you. I wonder why that is? What's the problem? If you don't answer the questions I have put to you I'll assume you don't have a decent answer.[/p][/quote]Here are my previous comments dealing with the information you are seeking. Please quote any comments that you don't understand: You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is. It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. I was pointing out that our political life is being encroached upon. We already have the problem in Birmingham schools and with the electoral skullduggery most noticeably in Tower Hamlets but happening across vast swathes of the country. Our government admits to monitoring 1500 jihadis. How many more that they don't know about has been highlighted by the Syrian and Iraq conflicts. The authorities pander to all ethnics, but they are especially keen to pander to muslims. Is that because of the fear factor? We had people imprisoned for daring to place bacon against a mosque, yet a stage play in London mercilessly attacked Christianity with no response from the authorities. As I said, you are free to scoff at all this, but those of us in the real world can see what is happening and don't like it one bit. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -3

1:32pm Fri 4 Jul 14

theoldbrewer says...

I guess The Argus needed to find a local halal story to enable it to keep pace with its peers.

I'd like someone to check the Red Tractor information.
I guess The Argus needed to find a local halal story to enable it to keep pace with its peers. I'd like someone to check the Red Tractor information. theoldbrewer
  • Score: 2

1:37pm Fri 4 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

I look forward to seeing the black flag of islam flying over Longhill School.
I look forward to seeing the black flag of islam flying over Longhill School. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: -1

1:56pm Fri 4 Jul 14

theoldbrewer says...

hursthill wrote:
I recently chatted with a chap who used to work in an abbatoir.

He told me that anyone who witnessed how animals are really slaughtered & the cruelty, when no inspectors are around, would be a vegetarian.

All meat products should be labelled, warning customers there is no guarantee the meat they eat has come from animals humanely killed.
I have heard similar. Furthermore I do not believe the recently released FSA data on failed stuns, which showed perfection. If the data were reliable they would have been freely available in the public domain. MPs would not have needed to solicit a written answer to a parliamentary question.

If pre-stun handling has been poor there is a chance that animals will not be relaxed at point of stun. Stunning can fail and that's cruel.
[quote][p][bold]hursthill[/bold] wrote: I recently chatted with a chap who used to work in an abbatoir. He told me that anyone who witnessed how animals are really slaughtered & the cruelty, when no inspectors are around, would be a vegetarian. All meat products should be labelled, warning customers there is no guarantee the meat they eat has come from animals humanely killed.[/p][/quote]I have heard similar. Furthermore I do not believe the recently released FSA data on failed stuns, which showed perfection. If the data were reliable they would have been freely available in the public domain. MPs would not have needed to solicit a written answer to a parliamentary question. If pre-stun handling has been poor there is a chance that animals will not be relaxed at point of stun. Stunning can fail and that's cruel. theoldbrewer
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

skylight says...

What is the problem? The meat is the same and just as nutritious .Anyone would think,by some reactions,that eating it turned one Muslim!

If one were a strict Christian they could take note of St Paul's practical attitude to similar questions in his day ..."Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 26 For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.” ..1 Corinthians 10:25
What is the problem? The meat is the same and just as nutritious .Anyone would think,by some reactions,that eating it turned one Muslim! If one were a strict Christian they could take note of St Paul's practical attitude to similar questions in his day ..."Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 26 For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.” ..1 Corinthians 10:25 skylight
  • Score: 1

3:47pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Psssst says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
Andy R wrote:
s&k wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
And the method that is used to kill them.
How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.
animals what are slaughtered for halal meat are killed inhumanely, they have their throats slit and left to bleed to death, suffering trauma.
You are a right Richard Cranium.
Er, the meat you eat comes from an animal that has had it's throat slit, or sometimes the arteries near the heart are cut, either way the animal bleeds to death, we don't give it an injection and cuddle it while it dies you know. The major problem is with pre-stunning, most Halal meat killed in this country is pre-stunned, very little isn't and that is for some ultra religious Muslims who believe the animal should be concious to hear the prayer, therefore non-stunned Halal meat is certainly not unlabelled and sent to schools. In fact if anything Halal slaughter (as long as pre-stunning is involved) is more humane than our killing methods as the animals must not be allowed to see other animals being killed prior to their killing, whereas non-halal beasts are killed in front of each other increasing the animals suffering through fear.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]And the method that is used to kill them.[/p][/quote]How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.[/p][/quote]animals what are slaughtered for halal meat are killed inhumanely, they have their throats slit and left to bleed to death, suffering trauma. You are a right Richard Cranium.[/p][/quote]Er, the meat you eat comes from an animal that has had it's throat slit, or sometimes the arteries near the heart are cut, either way the animal bleeds to death, we don't give it an injection and cuddle it while it dies you know. The major problem is with pre-stunning, most Halal meat killed in this country is pre-stunned, very little isn't and that is for some ultra religious Muslims who believe the animal should be concious to hear the prayer, therefore non-stunned Halal meat is certainly not unlabelled and sent to schools. In fact if anything Halal slaughter (as long as pre-stunning is involved) is more humane than our killing methods as the animals must not be allowed to see other animals being killed prior to their killing, whereas non-halal beasts are killed in front of each other increasing the animals suffering through fear. Psssst
  • Score: 1

4:30pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Andy R says...

Psssst wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
Andy R wrote:
s&k wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......
And the method that is used to kill them.
How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.
animals what are slaughtered for halal meat are killed inhumanely, they have their throats slit and left to bleed to death, suffering trauma.
You are a right Richard Cranium.
Er, the meat you eat comes from an animal that has had it's throat slit, or sometimes the arteries near the heart are cut, either way the animal bleeds to death, we don't give it an injection and cuddle it while it dies you know. The major problem is with pre-stunning, most Halal meat killed in this country is pre-stunned, very little isn't and that is for some ultra religious Muslims who believe the animal should be concious to hear the prayer, therefore non-stunned Halal meat is certainly not unlabelled and sent to schools. In fact if anything Halal slaughter (as long as pre-stunning is involved) is more humane than our killing methods as the animals must not be allowed to see other animals being killed prior to their killing, whereas non-halal beasts are killed in front of each other increasing the animals suffering through fear.
We also know from File on 4 (Radio 4) that pre-stunning is real hit and miss affair, whether in a halal or non-halal abbatoir and that many animals are slaughtered without having been stunned.

If you have an ethical problem with this become a vegetarian........


....rather than a racist.....
[quote][p][bold]Psssst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Huh? It's meat. It's made from killed animals. That's the thing about meat......[/p][/quote]And the method that is used to kill them.[/p][/quote]How do you suppose animals are killed? Don't like it? Become a vegetarian.[/p][/quote]animals what are slaughtered for halal meat are killed inhumanely, they have their throats slit and left to bleed to death, suffering trauma. You are a right Richard Cranium.[/p][/quote]Er, the meat you eat comes from an animal that has had it's throat slit, or sometimes the arteries near the heart are cut, either way the animal bleeds to death, we don't give it an injection and cuddle it while it dies you know. The major problem is with pre-stunning, most Halal meat killed in this country is pre-stunned, very little isn't and that is for some ultra religious Muslims who believe the animal should be concious to hear the prayer, therefore non-stunned Halal meat is certainly not unlabelled and sent to schools. In fact if anything Halal slaughter (as long as pre-stunning is involved) is more humane than our killing methods as the animals must not be allowed to see other animals being killed prior to their killing, whereas non-halal beasts are killed in front of each other increasing the animals suffering through fear.[/p][/quote]We also know from File on 4 (Radio 4) that pre-stunning is real hit and miss affair, whether in a halal or non-halal abbatoir and that many animals are slaughtered without having been stunned. If you have an ethical problem with this become a vegetarian........ ....rather than a racist..... Andy R
  • Score: 1

5:04pm Fri 4 Jul 14

honeybee225 says...

The fact that halal meat is killed by stringing up a live animal slit it's throat and wait dor it to die slowly is COMPLETLY different to the way good old British farmers either shot it in the head or stun it before its killed so it's quick, not to mention we are having to change OUR british ways to suit.....them, do we go to a muslim country and demand they change? Hell no because we would be slaughterd like the animals because obviously they love a good slaughter, we shouldn't be changing nothing, if they won't eat our MEAT the way it is then THEY can be vegetarian. Or bore off.
The fact that halal meat is killed by stringing up a live animal slit it's throat and wait dor it to die slowly is COMPLETLY different to the way good old British farmers either shot it in the head or stun it before its killed so it's quick, not to mention we are having to change OUR british ways to suit.....them, do we go to a muslim country and demand they change? Hell no because we would be slaughterd like the animals because obviously they love a good slaughter, we shouldn't be changing nothing, if they won't eat our MEAT the way it is then THEY can be vegetarian. Or bore off. honeybee225
  • Score: -3

5:11pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Psssst says...

honeybee225 wrote:
The fact that halal meat is killed by stringing up a live animal slit it's throat and wait dor it to die slowly is COMPLETLY different to the way good old British farmers either shot it in the head or stun it before its killed so it's quick, not to mention we are having to change OUR british ways to suit.....them, do we go to a muslim country and demand they change? Hell no because we would be slaughterd like the animals because obviously they love a good slaughter, we shouldn't be changing nothing, if they won't eat our MEAT the way it is then THEY can be vegetarian. Or bore off.
You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you? For starters farmers do not slaughter their own animals they are sent to an abattoir where, guess what, their throats are slit and they bleed to death. As for the rest of your nasty little racist rant, well, there really are no words for you incredible stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]honeybee225[/bold] wrote: The fact that halal meat is killed by stringing up a live animal slit it's throat and wait dor it to die slowly is COMPLETLY different to the way good old British farmers either shot it in the head or stun it before its killed so it's quick, not to mention we are having to change OUR british ways to suit.....them, do we go to a muslim country and demand they change? Hell no because we would be slaughterd like the animals because obviously they love a good slaughter, we shouldn't be changing nothing, if they won't eat our MEAT the way it is then THEY can be vegetarian. Or bore off.[/p][/quote]You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you? For starters farmers do not slaughter their own animals they are sent to an abattoir where, guess what, their throats are slit and they bleed to death. As for the rest of your nasty little racist rant, well, there really are no words for you incredible stupidity. Psssst
  • Score: 0

5:41pm Fri 4 Jul 14

76robmac says...

This for of slaughter should be banned
This for of slaughter should be banned 76robmac
  • Score: -1

6:01pm Fri 4 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"If you have an ethical problem with this become a vegetarian........


....rather than a racist....."

There was nothing 'racist' in the quoted comments, but you're someone who sees racism everywhere in a bit to silence people posting.

Your petty accusations will continue to be exposed.
"If you have an ethical problem with this become a vegetarian........ ....rather than a racist....." There was nothing 'racist' in the quoted comments, but you're someone who sees racism everywhere in a bit to silence people posting. Your petty accusations will continue to be exposed. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

6:56pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Roger. says...

Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah?
Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.
[quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah? Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research. Roger.
  • Score: -1

7:05pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Roger. says...

stevo!! wrote:
Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.
Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah?
Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.[/p][/quote]Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah? Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research. Roger.
  • Score: 0

7:12pm Fri 4 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Roger. wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.
Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah?
Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.
I haven't played the race card.

I never play the race card.

Don't quote me and make baseless accusations against me.
[quote][p][bold]Roger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.[/p][/quote]Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah? Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.[/p][/quote]I haven't played the race card. I never play the race card. Don't quote me and make baseless accusations against me. stevo!!
  • Score: -3

7:14pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Roger. says...

s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
No just the same rights as muslims we have the right to eat what we want to and it is illegal to sell halal meat to non muslims they are selling it by stealth and it is not on
Sell the muslims traditionally fully stunned humanely killed meat with out telling them and watch them scream blue murder.

All a muslim has to do with the traditionally slaughtered meat is bless it at the table which makes it halal.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]No just the same rights as muslims we have the right to eat what we want to and it is illegal to sell halal meat to non muslims they are selling it by stealth and it is not on Sell the muslims traditionally fully stunned humanely killed meat with out telling them and watch them scream blue murder. All a muslim has to do with the traditionally slaughtered meat is bless it at the table which makes it halal. Roger.
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Roger. says...

s_james wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI


THOUT their parents being informed.
How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?!

88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back:
http://www.theguardi

an.com/commentisfree

/2014/may/11/halal-m

eat-nandos-pizza-exp

ress-islam
It is only a recoverable stun and it lasts about 20 seconds it is not a full stun to render the animal unconsious and it is illegal to sell halal meat to none muslims, their licenced only to supply the muslim community but because of a loop hole in the law the meat the deem unfit for muslim consumption is cast aside and sold to the supermarkets as haram.

Why should we eat their dirty blemished meat that is unfit for them but ok to feed it to our children in schools or our sick in hospital never mind to us in all the supermarkets. join Boycott Halal main page with over 30,000 people and educate yourself i did.
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed.[/p][/quote]How are the animals being slaughtered "against our laws"?! 88% of of animals killed by halal methods in Britain are stunned before slaughter. This is a very interesting I article I read when all the fuss about halal in supermarlets kicked off a few months back: http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /2014/may/11/halal-m eat-nandos-pizza-exp ress-islam[/p][/quote]It is only a recoverable stun and it lasts about 20 seconds it is not a full stun to render the animal unconsious and it is illegal to sell halal meat to none muslims, their licenced only to supply the muslim community but because of a loop hole in the law the meat the deem unfit for muslim consumption is cast aside and sold to the supermarkets as haram. Why should we eat their dirty blemished meat that is unfit for them but ok to feed it to our children in schools or our sick in hospital never mind to us in all the supermarkets. join Boycott Halal main page with over 30,000 people and educate yourself i did. Roger.
  • Score: -2

7:28pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Roger. says...

ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
Perhaps someone should explain what is the difference between the kosher and the halal methods of slaughter as I have always thought it to be similar. I also assume that the objectors would be happy if the meat is labelled kosher but not if it is halal.
As an aside, to which of the two methods would an objection be deemed racist. Eat more pork as this could under no stretch of imagination could be halal or kosher.
The difference is we are not being force fed Kosher meat by stealth mate and by the way the halal meat isn't labelled and so we didn't know
Muslim and Islam is NOT a Race it is a religion.

Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah?
Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.
[quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: Perhaps someone should explain what is the difference between the kosher and the halal methods of slaughter as I have always thought it to be similar. I also assume that the objectors would be happy if the meat is labelled kosher but not if it is halal. As an aside, to which of the two methods would an objection be deemed racist. Eat more pork as this could under no stretch of imagination could be halal or kosher.[/p][/quote]The difference is we are not being force fed Kosher meat by stealth mate and by the way the halal meat isn't labelled and so we didn't know Muslim and Islam is NOT a Race it is a religion. Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah? Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research. Roger.
  • Score: -2

7:39pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Roger. says...

jamiecong wrote:
Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch.

Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating.

The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting.

One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.
Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah?
Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.
[quote][p][bold]jamiecong[/bold] wrote: Wow. This is an incredibly disheartening batch of racism masked masquerading as news. Replace "halal" with "kosher" and tell me it's not anti-Semitic. I expect this kind of fear mongering from The Sun, but the Argus should stick to its Postie v. Seagull agenda and leave the propaganda to Murdoch. Eating halal or kosher food does no more harm to an individual than eating vegetarian or French cuisine. But, for those students who adhere to certain dietary restrictions, having a halal meal could mean the difference between eating or not eating. The utter lack of sensitivity and compassion for other people in this article and the comments is disgusting. One racist parent makes a fuss and they're taken seriously when really they should be ignored. I hope they've never had a kebab or some chicken on the way home from the pub.[/p][/quote]Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah? Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research. Roger.
  • Score: 0

7:46pm Fri 4 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Psssst wrote:
honeybee225 wrote:
The fact that halal meat is killed by stringing up a live animal slit it's throat and wait dor it to die slowly is COMPLETLY different to the way good old British farmers either shot it in the head or stun it before its killed so it's quick, not to mention we are having to change OUR british ways to suit.....them, do we go to a muslim country and demand they change? Hell no because we would be slaughterd like the animals because obviously they love a good slaughter, we shouldn't be changing nothing, if they won't eat our MEAT the way it is then THEY can be vegetarian. Or bore off.
You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you? For starters farmers do not slaughter their own animals they are sent to an abattoir where, guess what, their throats are slit and they bleed to death. As for the rest of your nasty little racist rant, well, there really are no words for you incredible stupidity.
There was nothing racist in the post you quoted.
[quote][p][bold]Psssst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]honeybee225[/bold] wrote: The fact that halal meat is killed by stringing up a live animal slit it's throat and wait dor it to die slowly is COMPLETLY different to the way good old British farmers either shot it in the head or stun it before its killed so it's quick, not to mention we are having to change OUR british ways to suit.....them, do we go to a muslim country and demand they change? Hell no because we would be slaughterd like the animals because obviously they love a good slaughter, we shouldn't be changing nothing, if they won't eat our MEAT the way it is then THEY can be vegetarian. Or bore off.[/p][/quote]You really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about do you? For starters farmers do not slaughter their own animals they are sent to an abattoir where, guess what, their throats are slit and they bleed to death. As for the rest of your nasty little racist rant, well, there really are no words for you incredible stupidity.[/p][/quote]There was nothing racist in the post you quoted. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

8:49am Sat 5 Jul 14

her professional says...

andrewedmondson wrote:
There is far more Halal meat sold in this country than is consumed by Muslims. The reason is that large abattoirs distribute meat all over the world and so it is more efficient for it all to be Halal.

Most Halal meat in this country is from stunned animals. But you will never know because it is not labelled Halal or Pre-stunned. That's what people are annoyed about.

Having a tannoy blaring out prayers as animals are slaughtered is innocuous to all but the poor workers. Not stunning animals before slaughter is a welfare issue.

But as many readers have commented, if you eat meat and care about animal welfare, only buy meat that is properly free range. The same goes for dairy products and products made from them. And next time you open a can of dog or cat food, ponder where the meat came from. Your pet food might be someone else's factory farmed pets.
Agree up to a point, but what happens to all the free range male calves and male chickens?
[quote][p][bold]andrewedmondson[/bold] wrote: There is far more Halal meat sold in this country than is consumed by Muslims. The reason is that large abattoirs distribute meat all over the world and so it is more efficient for it all to be Halal. Most Halal meat in this country is from stunned animals. But you will never know because it is not labelled Halal or Pre-stunned. That's what people are annoyed about. Having a tannoy blaring out prayers as animals are slaughtered is innocuous to all but the poor workers. Not stunning animals before slaughter is a welfare issue. But as many readers have commented, if you eat meat and care about animal welfare, only buy meat that is properly free range. The same goes for dairy products and products made from them. And next time you open a can of dog or cat food, ponder where the meat came from. Your pet food might be someone else's factory farmed pets.[/p][/quote]Agree up to a point, but what happens to all the free range male calves and male chickens? her professional
  • Score: 0

8:52am Sat 5 Jul 14

her professional says...

Andy R wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
s_james wrote:
I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.
It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is.

By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century.

You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city.

We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.
So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over".

This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........

Thanks for clarifying.
Andy R, you are being very patient with this numpty. His comments are also reminiscent of the extreme right wing group Britain First, and I suspect he gets most of his ill informed rants from them.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: I’m not a Muslim but I couldn’t care less whether the meat I eat is halal or not – it’s the same meat from the same animals, and the majority of halal meat is stunned before slaughter if that’s what concerns you. For the parent quoted to say its is “disgusting” and “worse because it involves kids” just makes no sense to me at all – it strikes me as reflective of a general fear of anything related to Islam.[/p][/quote]It's yet another sign of indoctrination of schoolchildren into how 'normal' islam is. By pandering to that religion, the authorities are complicit in a grand scheme of 'softening up' the population for the takeover expected sometime in the next century. You may scoff, but immigration and the birthrate are turning this into an Asian country. We have several English towns that have Asian mayors, and it's only a few decades away that we'll have an Asian Mayor of London, given the demographics of that once-great city. We have a genuine reason to fear islam, because of what islam is.[/p][/quote]So....here we have the classic "no-win" slur. If "asians" take no part in UK civil society, it's because "they won't integrate"; if they do participate and stand for public office, "they're trying to take over". This post does of course give us a very clear insight into your mindset - the casual conflation of "muslim" and "asian", the wild "takeover" conspiracy myths, the notion of the "establishment" pandering and giving special favours to one group - all so eerily reminiscent of another time, not so long ago, in a part of Europe, not so very far away........ Thanks for clarifying.[/p][/quote]Andy R, you are being very patient with this numpty. His comments are also reminiscent of the extreme right wing group Britain First, and I suspect he gets most of his ill informed rants from them. her professional
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10:13am Sat 5 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Andy R, you are being very patient with this numpty. His comments are also reminiscent of the extreme right wing group Britain First, and I suspect he gets most of his ill informed rants from them."

Feel free to challenge any post which you think contain inaccuracies etc......but only if you have the intelligence to do so.
"Andy R, you are being very patient with this numpty. His comments are also reminiscent of the extreme right wing group Britain First, and I suspect he gets most of his ill informed rants from them." Feel free to challenge any post which you think contain inaccuracies etc......but only if you have the intelligence to do so. stevo!!
  • Score: -5

11:00am Sat 5 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Andy R wrote:
homewood wrote:
Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.
There's no evidence whatsoever in this article that this is what's happening. As far as I can see, all they've managed to come up with is one beefburger occasionally served in some schools in East Sussex, and one clerical error in relation to Longhill. To repeat - it's just meat.
Well done AndyR - a voice of sense and reason in a tide of ignorance!! This is a total non-story and one cant help asking how this un-named parent who thought this ‘disgusting' actually knew about this administrative error - I have no doubt the Argus has made this up to give the 'story' added effect!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]homewood[/bold] wrote: Don't understand why our school meals are changing purely to satify Muslim dietary requirements. If they do not wish to eat the food offered, can't these parents make their children a packed lunch. Why does the whole school have to have halal meat in effect forced on all the children. This surely can not be right.[/p][/quote]There's no evidence whatsoever in this article that this is what's happening. As far as I can see, all they've managed to come up with is one beefburger occasionally served in some schools in East Sussex, and one clerical error in relation to Longhill. To repeat - it's just meat.[/p][/quote]Well done AndyR - a voice of sense and reason in a tide of ignorance!! This is a total non-story and one cant help asking how this un-named parent who thought this ‘disgusting' actually knew about this administrative error - I have no doubt the Argus has made this up to give the 'story' added effect!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 3

11:46am Sat 5 Jul 14

Gribbet says...

Which is worse - free range Halal chicken? or factory farmed non-Halal chicken?

The current trendy ignorance-leading-to
-outrage about Halal meat is a very British type of ignorance with a very strong islamophobic component to it. The kind where a person will be outraged by children being fed Halal meat in schools (even though it isn't any different from other meat), but then go on holiday to Dubai and happily tuck in to a tasty bit of unlabelled Halal meat 3 times a day for the duration of their beach holiday.
Which is worse - free range Halal chicken? or factory farmed non-Halal chicken? The current trendy ignorance-leading-to -outrage about Halal meat is a very British type of ignorance with a very strong islamophobic component to it. The kind where a person will be outraged by children being fed Halal meat in schools (even though it isn't any different from other meat), but then go on holiday to Dubai and happily tuck in to a tasty bit of unlabelled Halal meat 3 times a day for the duration of their beach holiday. Gribbet
  • Score: 3

12:03pm Sat 5 Jul 14

emilywalsh says...

A 2012 Food Standards Agency report, estimated that 97 per cent of cattle, 96 per cent of poultry and 90 per cent of sheep slaughtered under halal procedures in British abattoirs were stunned before being killed.

All the halal chicken served in Pizza Express – and Nando's, KFC and Subway as well as sold in all the main British supermarkets – differs only from other chickens killed in British slaughterhouses in one respect: a blessing is said as the creature dies.

Raising and slaughtering animals (whether "halal" or "non-halal") , even under the so-called “highest welfare” standards, still causes animal suffering and death.

Those who are vegetarian may not realise that cows and egg-laying hens live longer than “meat” animals. Furthermore, they are generally treated worse. And they all eventually end up at the same slaughterhouse that "meat" animals are sent to.

Every single animal (whether "halal" or "non-halal") meets an horrendous death in the slaughterhouse. It is hell and a million times worse than anyone can imagine.

Switching to a vegan diet is the only way to eliminate animal exploitation.
A 2012 Food Standards Agency report, estimated that 97 per cent of cattle, 96 per cent of poultry and 90 per cent of sheep slaughtered under halal procedures in British abattoirs were stunned before being killed. All the halal chicken served in Pizza Express – and Nando's, KFC and Subway as well as sold in all the main British supermarkets – differs only from other chickens killed in British slaughterhouses in one respect: a blessing is said as the creature dies. Raising and slaughtering animals (whether "halal" or "non-halal") , even under the so-called “highest welfare” standards, still causes animal suffering and death. Those who are vegetarian may not realise that cows and egg-laying hens live longer than “meat” animals. Furthermore, they are generally treated worse. And they all eventually end up at the same slaughterhouse that "meat" animals are sent to. Every single animal (whether "halal" or "non-halal") meets an horrendous death in the slaughterhouse. It is hell and a million times worse than anyone can imagine. Switching to a vegan diet is the only way to eliminate animal exploitation. emilywalsh
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12:25pm Sat 5 Jul 14

emilywalsh says...

NathanAdler wrote:
I love animals and get more upset at animal cruelty than I do human cruelty. However, I am not a woolley Green supporter and I eat animals!!

However, I do prefer my meat to come from ethically sound farming and can confirm without a shadow of doubt that halal is evil - pure hatred towards animals.

I can't comment on Islam as a whole because I would be arrested if I cause any offence, but halal butchery is utterly barbaric. And I won't even eat a kebab that says "Halal" on the menu!!
If you claim to love animals but you are eating them or products made from them, or otherwise consuming them, you see loving as consistent with harming that which you claim to love.
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: I love animals and get more upset at animal cruelty than I do human cruelty. However, I am not a woolley Green supporter and I eat animals!! However, I do prefer my meat to come from ethically sound farming and can confirm without a shadow of doubt that halal is evil - pure hatred towards animals. I can't comment on Islam as a whole because I would be arrested if I cause any offence, but halal butchery is utterly barbaric. And I won't even eat a kebab that says "Halal" on the menu!![/p][/quote]If you claim to love animals but you are eating them or products made from them, or otherwise consuming them, you see loving as consistent with harming that which you claim to love. emilywalsh
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Sat 5 Jul 14

emilywalsh says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
Cave Johnson wrote:
It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals.

If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.
we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI

THOUT their parents being informed.
If you embrace nonviolence but are not a vegan, then words of nonviolence come out of your mouth as the products of torture and death go into it.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cave Johnson[/bold] wrote: It doesn't involve kids, it involves animals. If you are so disgusted then go vegetarian. You do not have the right to complain when you still eat meat.[/p][/quote]we have a right to complain, when the way the animals are slaughtered is against our laws, then, the halal meat fed to our children..........WI THOUT their parents being informed.[/p][/quote]If you embrace nonviolence but are not a vegan, then words of nonviolence come out of your mouth as the products of torture and death go into it. emilywalsh
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Sat 5 Jul 14

emilywalsh says...

Being vegan provides us with the peace of knowing that we are no longer participants in the hideous violence that is animal exploitation.
Being vegan provides us with the peace of knowing that we are no longer participants in the hideous violence that is animal exploitation. emilywalsh
  • Score: 0

2:49pm Sun 6 Jul 14

hubby says...

Meat is murder!
Meat is murder! hubby
  • Score: -1

12:40pm Mon 7 Jul 14

AndreMassena says...

As many have said, Halal meat is just that someone has prayed over. Nothing is added or taken out. It is sad that if the children were being fed cruelly reared battery chicken meat few parents would question it but if you don't beieve in Islam what difference does it make? you can't 'Catch' religion from eating halal meant anymore than you can become Jewish for eating something kosher. It is the same food.
As many have said, Halal meat is just that someone has prayed over. Nothing is added or taken out. It is sad that if the children were being fed cruelly reared battery chicken meat few parents would question it but if you don't beieve in Islam what difference does it make? you can't 'Catch' religion from eating halal meant anymore than you can become Jewish for eating something kosher. It is the same food. AndreMassena
  • Score: 1

11:00am Tue 8 Jul 14

pte says...

wibblewibble wrote:
considering its the kids eating it perhaps explain to them the difference in slaughter methods and ask them which version they would prefer on the lunch menu.
Children can sometimes be far more intelligent than adults on this issue.
They would probably tell their stupid parents they couldn't care less provided its tasty.

I'd rather eat halaal meat than burgers, chicken nuggets or spam that are killed they way you prefer.

You should stop being racist and realise that in Islam the intention is to provide the most humane slaughter and lessen suffering. Halaal does this and if you study the Koran you will understand this
[quote][p][bold]wibblewibble[/bold] wrote: considering its the kids eating it perhaps explain to them the difference in slaughter methods and ask them which version they would prefer on the lunch menu. Children can sometimes be far more intelligent than adults on this issue.[/p][/quote]They would probably tell their stupid parents they couldn't care less provided its tasty. I'd rather eat halaal meat than burgers, chicken nuggets or spam that are killed they way you prefer. You should stop being racist and realise that in Islam the intention is to provide the most humane slaughter and lessen suffering. Halaal does this and if you study the Koran you will understand this pte
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Tue 8 Jul 14

ThinkBrighton says...

stevo!! wrote:
Roger. wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Caute3 wrote:
Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?
There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.
Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah?
Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.
I haven't played the race card.

I never play the race card.

Don't quote me and make baseless accusations against me.
Whilst you are allowed to make baseless remarks about everything you put in print
Obviosly you are sh!t scared of muslims.
If your not agreeing with gays you are homophobic, or muslims islamaphobic, NO you are a british citizen (I hope) who doesn't wish to subscribe to liberal sexuality or extremes in religion and want to keep this island decent and British!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caute3[/bold] wrote: Are parents at this school simply stupid or just plain racist? Halal Meat is the same meat as any other meat - it is a killed, dead animal - it is the same as eating kosher meat (would the parents object to kosher? maybe they should look into that too?). If you object to eating halal meat you should object to eating all meat - it's not as if you were served beef that turned out to be horse now is it? Do parents also object to buying meat from Tesco?[/p][/quote]There is nothing 'racist' about complaining about halal meat.[/p][/quote]Islam /Muslim is not a race it is a religion stop playing the race card, if the boot was on the other foot the muslims would scream blue murder we have more non muslims than muslims in the UK why shou the majority have to eat meat slaughtered to a false idol Allah? Sikhs. Hindus ,Christians and many other religions are forbidden to eat halal slaughtered animal do some research.[/p][/quote]I haven't played the race card. I never play the race card. Don't quote me and make baseless accusations against me.[/p][/quote]Whilst you are allowed to make baseless remarks about everything you put in print Obviosly you are sh!t scared of muslims. If your not agreeing with gays you are homophobic, or muslims islamaphobic, NO you are a british citizen (I hope) who doesn't wish to subscribe to liberal sexuality or extremes in religion and want to keep this island decent and British! ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 0

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