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Brighton and Hove's recycling rates lagging behind rest of UK

The Argus: Recycling rates lagging behind rest of UK Recycling rates lagging behind rest of UK

New figures show recycling rates in Brighton and Hove continue to lag behind the rest of the country and even behind the city council’s own targets. NEIL VOWLES and JAMIE MICKLETHWAITE report on why we do not recycle more and ask who is to blame?

Despite the city’s green image, recycling rates in Brighton and Hove stubbornly refuse to rise.

The latest figures, to be discussed at a council meeting tomorrow, show the amount of household waste reused, recycled or composted is just 25.4%.

As well as remaining below the local authority’s own target of 32%, the city lags behind similar sized cities such as Bournemouth, 49.7%, Cheltenham, 45.2%, and Bristol, 45.3%, which all also offer alternate weekly refuse and food collections.

The city’s recycling rate, described as “embarrassing” by political opponents of the current council administration, is below the current national average of 43.9%.

It is also well behind the ambitious target of 70% of all domestic waste that the Green party promised would be recycled in the city by next year in their election manifesto published in 2011.

The blame for the current lull is being placed on last summer’s bin strike as well as a national loss of interest which has seen recycling rates across the country drop marginally in the last year.

But political opponents are in no doubt where the blame lies.

Labour group leader Warren Morgan said: “These latest figures, showing recycling rates have fallen by 16% since the Greens took office, highlight their abject failure to deliver on what should be a basic issue for a Green administration. “They have failed miserably in getting anywhere close to the 70% they promised in their manifesto, with recycling rates now at their lowest level in nearly a decade.”

Conservative group leader Geoffrey Theobald, pictured right, said: “This is a real embarrassment for the country's only Green-run council. The rate has dropped steadily.

“The CityClean strike action last year certainly won’t have helped the figures nor will the chaotic manner in which the bin round changes were handled.”

Councillor Theobald said the 70% figure always was always a “wildly optimistic” target.

He wants the council to consider other measures such as garden waste collection that could significantly boost the recycling levels.

But should the council take all the blame for the low rate?

Not according to some people who think fellow residents are to blame by failing to take responsibility for their recycling.

Marie Elvin, 69 of Albion Hill, said: “My brother lives in one of the high rises and he is always moaning about it.

“They have a communal bin area and the recycling bins are outside but people don’t use them.

“They just dump it all in the normal bins. I think people are lazy.”

Councillor Pete West, chair of the council’s environment committee, said: “Many factors affect recycling rates.

“Nationally recycling rates are levelling off which is believed to be due to changing consumer behaviours, for example people buying fewer newspapers and magazines and the economic downturn. “Recycling rates in Brighton and Hove have also been affected by last year’s disruption as a result of industrial action and reorganisation of the service. “These changes are bedding down and will result in improved service for residents with collections on bank holidays.”

What is certain from the figures is that while we lag behind other parts of the country, the gulf is even bigger when turning to the continent where in some countries the Green dream of 70% is close to reality.

Latest figures put Germany as the continent’s top recycler at 65%.

This is a rate that the EU reportedly wants every resident in the union to exceed in coming years.

Britain is already under pressure to meet European targets to recycle half of all waste by 2020 but new targets announced by the European Commission call on countries to recycle at least 70% of municipal waste, most of which comes from homes, by 2030 and a ban by 2025 on sending anything to landfill that can be recycled.

The stricter targets, the newspaper speculates, could force councils to take a more radical approach to making residents potentially recycle more with pay-as-you-throw bin taxes or fines for people who fail to sort their rubbish properly.

 

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10:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

We recycle as much as possible in our house and end up with less than one black sack of non-recyclable rubbish a week. It isn't much effort BUT we have the benefit of plenty of outside space and a doorstep pickup.

If the council were really serious about recycling it could be solved very quickly by :

> Making recycling pickups every week
> Dropping non-recycling pick ups to bi-weekly
> Pick up garden rubbish and food scraps. We feed our food scraps to pets, birds and the foxes but not everybody can. We also compost most garden rubbish but there is still stuff that we just have to put in the wheelie bin.
> Dump the communal recycling points. What on earth makes the council think people will both to recycle if they have to haul it down the street. I know I wouldn't, I'd just dump it in with my normal rubbish and make one trip.
We recycle as much as possible in our house and end up with less than one black sack of non-recyclable rubbish a week. It isn't much effort BUT we have the benefit of plenty of outside space and a doorstep pickup. If the council were really serious about recycling it could be solved very quickly by : > Making recycling pickups every week > Dropping non-recycling pick ups to bi-weekly > Pick up garden rubbish and food scraps. We feed our food scraps to pets, birds and the foxes but not everybody can. We also compost most garden rubbish but there is still stuff that we just have to put in the wheelie bin. > Dump the communal recycling points. What on earth makes the council think people will both to recycle if they have to haul it down the street. I know I wouldn't, I'd just dump it in with my normal rubbish and make one trip. Fight_Back
  • Score: 16

10:44am Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.
Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this. stevo!!
  • Score: -20

10:53am Thu 10 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.
How exactly is it a waste of time ?
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.[/p][/quote]How exactly is it a waste of time ? Fight_Back
  • Score: 7

11:03am Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.
How exactly is it a waste of time ?
For various reasons.

Here's a few:

http://www.sdcitybea
t.com/sandiego/artic
le-11358-why-recycli
ng-is-a-waste-of-mon
ey-time-and-energy.h
tml
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.[/p][/quote]How exactly is it a waste of time ?[/p][/quote]For various reasons. Here's a few: http://www.sdcitybea t.com/sandiego/artic le-11358-why-recycli ng-is-a-waste-of-mon ey-time-and-energy.h tml stevo!!
  • Score: -9

11:14am Thu 10 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.
How exactly is it a waste of time ?
For various reasons.

Here's a few:

http://www.sdcitybea

t.com/sandiego/artic

le-11358-why-recycli

ng-is-a-waste-of-mon

ey-time-and-energy.h

tml
Firstly that is based on American recycling and secondly, if you really believe a conspiracy type blog then I suggest you quickly find your tin foil hat ( which obviously won't be made from recycled material ).
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.[/p][/quote]How exactly is it a waste of time ?[/p][/quote]For various reasons. Here's a few: http://www.sdcitybea t.com/sandiego/artic le-11358-why-recycli ng-is-a-waste-of-mon ey-time-and-energy.h tml[/p][/quote]Firstly that is based on American recycling and secondly, if you really believe a conspiracy type blog then I suggest you quickly find your tin foil hat ( which obviously won't be made from recycled material ). Fight_Back
  • Score: 11

11:16am Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.
How exactly is it a waste of time ?
For various reasons.

Here's a few:

http://www.sdcitybea


t.com/sandiego/artic


le-11358-why-recycli


ng-is-a-waste-of-mon


ey-time-and-energy.h


tml
Firstly that is based on American recycling and secondly, if you really believe a conspiracy type blog then I suggest you quickly find your tin foil hat ( which obviously won't be made from recycled material ).
Feel free to argue with any points he made......IF you have the intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.[/p][/quote]How exactly is it a waste of time ?[/p][/quote]For various reasons. Here's a few: http://www.sdcitybea t.com/sandiego/artic le-11358-why-recycli ng-is-a-waste-of-mon ey-time-and-energy.h tml[/p][/quote]Firstly that is based on American recycling and secondly, if you really believe a conspiracy type blog then I suggest you quickly find your tin foil hat ( which obviously won't be made from recycled material ).[/p][/quote]Feel free to argue with any points he made......IF you have the intelligence. stevo!!
  • Score: -12

11:22am Thu 10 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.
How exactly is it a waste of time ?
For various reasons.

Here's a few:

http://www.sdcitybea



t.com/sandiego/artic



le-11358-why-recycli



ng-is-a-waste-of-mon



ey-time-and-energy.h



tml
Firstly that is based on American recycling and secondly, if you really believe a conspiracy type blog then I suggest you quickly find your tin foil hat ( which obviously won't be made from recycled material ).
Feel free to argue with any points he made......IF you have the intelligence.
Good grief !!! His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side. I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK. If you have the intelligence you may actually work it out.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Recycling is a waste of time, and many people have now realised this.[/p][/quote]How exactly is it a waste of time ?[/p][/quote]For various reasons. Here's a few: http://www.sdcitybea t.com/sandiego/artic le-11358-why-recycli ng-is-a-waste-of-mon ey-time-and-energy.h tml[/p][/quote]Firstly that is based on American recycling and secondly, if you really believe a conspiracy type blog then I suggest you quickly find your tin foil hat ( which obviously won't be made from recycled material ).[/p][/quote]Feel free to argue with any points he made......IF you have the intelligence.[/p][/quote]Good grief !!! His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side. I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK. If you have the intelligence you may actually work it out. Fight_Back
  • Score: 11

11:28am Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side."

So landfill space in the UK isn't running out.

Shot yourself in the foot beautifully there, lol.

" I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK."

So you admit that you don't have the intelligence to argue against his points.

Have you worked out that The Amex isn't a public highway yet? Get back to us when you have ;-)
"His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side." So landfill space in the UK isn't running out. Shot yourself in the foot beautifully there, lol. " I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK." So you admit that you don't have the intelligence to argue against his points. Have you worked out that The Amex isn't a public highway yet? Get back to us when you have ;-) stevo!!
  • Score: -8

11:38am Thu 10 Jul 14

Martha Gunn says...

Hard to believe that the Green Party could have organized this.

Recycling rates are not only low but falling as well.

And now our kerbside box has been taken away and there is no replacement service.

This can only mean things will get worse.

It is hard to understand how Caroline and her chums get away with this.
Roll on 2015!
Hard to believe that the Green Party could have organized this. Recycling rates are not only low but falling as well. And now our kerbside box has been taken away and there is no replacement service. This can only mean things will get worse. It is hard to understand how Caroline and her chums get away with this. Roll on 2015! Martha Gunn
  • Score: 14

11:51am Thu 10 Jul 14

Fight_Back says...

stevo!! wrote:
"His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side."

So landfill space in the UK isn't running out.

Shot yourself in the foot beautifully there, lol.

" I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK."

So you admit that you don't have the intelligence to argue against his points.

Have you worked out that The Amex isn't a public highway yet? Get back to us when you have ;-)
You really need to learn to read !

Here very simply, just for you :

He states it is wrong to say AMERICA is running out of landfill space and that there is still plenty of space. Whether that is right or wrong I care not, it is a blog for AMERICA.

We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space.

So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: "His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side." So landfill space in the UK isn't running out. Shot yourself in the foot beautifully there, lol. " I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK." So you admit that you don't have the intelligence to argue against his points. Have you worked out that The Amex isn't a public highway yet? Get back to us when you have ;-)[/p][/quote]You really need to learn to read ! Here very simply, just for you : He states it is wrong to say AMERICA is running out of landfill space and that there is still plenty of space. Whether that is right or wrong I care not, it is a blog for AMERICA. We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space. So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE. Fight_Back
  • Score: 6

11:54am Thu 10 Jul 14

spa301 says...

The UK's first Green Council and they lag behind the rest of the UK in recycling! They take inept to new levels.
Where's H.Jarrs and Eugenius? Have they given up the fight?
The UK's first Green Council and they lag behind the rest of the UK in recycling! They take inept to new levels. Where's H.Jarrs and Eugenius? Have they given up the fight? spa301
  • Score: 15

11:58am Thu 10 Jul 14

We love Red Billy says...

The recycling service in Brighton and Hove is dire. Rude and surley operatives who leave more waste on the pavement than they take. Waste removed on odd days leading to rubbish blowing everywhere. We have a business an use a company called Paper Round. Reasonably priced, 0 to landfill, regular, professional. We take our domestic waste into work, knowing it will be dealt with properly. Unfortunately when you vote in rich boy amateurs like Jason Kitcat this is the result. @gzunder
The recycling service in Brighton and Hove is dire. Rude and surley operatives who leave more waste on the pavement than they take. Waste removed on odd days leading to rubbish blowing everywhere. We have a business an use a company called Paper Round. Reasonably priced, 0 to landfill, regular, professional. We take our domestic waste into work, knowing it will be dealt with properly. Unfortunately when you vote in rich boy amateurs like Jason Kitcat this is the result. @gzunder We love Red Billy
  • Score: 9

12:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space."

Who says?

And how is that linked to the fact that recycling is a waste of time? Landfill isn't the only method of disposing of waste rather than recycling it.

"So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE."

You asked for reasons to support my claim that recycling is a waste of time.

I did NOT claim that it was only a waste of time here in the UK, so the article I provided (which is one of many on the matter) was entirely appropriate.

I see you're still having trouble arguing against the points he made.
"We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space." Who says? And how is that linked to the fact that recycling is a waste of time? Landfill isn't the only method of disposing of waste rather than recycling it. "So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE." You asked for reasons to support my claim that recycling is a waste of time. I did NOT claim that it was only a waste of time here in the UK, so the article I provided (which is one of many on the matter) was entirely appropriate. I see you're still having trouble arguing against the points he made. stevo!!
  • Score: -6

12:58pm Thu 10 Jul 14

rolivan says...

Could somebody please tell Cllr West that the Percentage is worked out on how much Is recycled from total waste.
Could somebody please tell Cllr West that the Percentage is worked out on how much Is recycled from total waste. rolivan
  • Score: 3

1:06pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Can this be says...

No recycling collections today and we are instructed by the Council as follows - "Between colleactions (sic) you can take rubbish or recycling to a Household waste and recycling Centre which are open as normal, or a recycling point". Rather than have it hanging about for another two weeks, it is easier to just put it in the wheelie bin for collection on Monday? No wonder recycling rates are falling.
No recycling collections today and we are instructed by the Council as follows - "Between colleactions (sic) you can take rubbish or recycling to a Household waste and recycling Centre which are open as normal, or a recycling point". Rather than have it hanging about for another two weeks, it is easier to just put it in the wheelie bin for collection on Monday? No wonder recycling rates are falling. Can this be
  • Score: 7

1:23pm Thu 10 Jul 14

cynic_the says...

Can this be wrote:
No recycling collections today and we are instructed by the Council as follows - "Between colleactions (sic) you can take rubbish or recycling to a Household waste and recycling Centre which are open as normal, or a recycling point". Rather than have it hanging about for another two weeks, it is easier to just put it in the wheelie bin for collection on Monday? No wonder recycling rates are falling.
Genius! How do they expect you to take it by bicycle!?
[quote][p][bold]Can this be[/bold] wrote: No recycling collections today and we are instructed by the Council as follows - "Between colleactions (sic) you can take rubbish or recycling to a Household waste and recycling Centre which are open as normal, or a recycling point". Rather than have it hanging about for another two weeks, it is easier to just put it in the wheelie bin for collection on Monday? No wonder recycling rates are falling.[/p][/quote]Genius! How do they expect you to take it by bicycle!? cynic_the
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Minger21 says...

stevo!! says...

"His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side."

So landfill space in the UK isn't running out.

Shot yourself in the foot beautifully there, lol.

" I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK."

So you admit that you don't have the intelligence to argue against his points.

Have you worked out that The Amex isn't a public highway yet? Get back to us when you have ;-)


It's tailored to the USA, which has a different way of managing waste, a different set of rules and regulations. It isn't particularly relevant or comparable to the UK operation. Figures where mentioned don't look right to me. It does not cost twice as much to recycle as it does to landfill.

Landfill isn't a good option for waste. It hides it, it does not get rid of it. The ongoing treatment and maintenance costs for active and closed landfills is not cheap by any stretch. The costs of putting waste into landfill is extremely high - to minimise it's use. Add to that the fact that existing ones are full and closing and new ones aren't being built.

And anyway, even if there were available landfills, what has that got to do with recycling? Let's not bother because we can hide it all in a big hole in the ground? What good does that do? Even if the waste goes to an incinerator, it's still not right to chuck everything in out of laziness and ignorance.

Recycling/reuse is cheaper than disposal. It also generates an income. It stops the earth being mined for raw materials to make metals/plastics/fibr
es because what's already been pulled out can be used again.

If recycling was more expensive than just disposing of everything all together, do you think any company in the country/world would do it? Of course not. No private business is going to take on a commercially or financially unviable operation.

Hope this keeps you fed for a little while.
[quote]stevo!! says... "His assertion that landfill space isn't running out for example is not true here, unless of course we want to dig up the country side." So landfill space in the UK isn't running out. Shot yourself in the foot beautifully there, lol. " I'll let you work out other reasons why that article has virtually no bearing on what is going on in the UK." So you admit that you don't have the intelligence to argue against his points. Have you worked out that The Amex isn't a public highway yet? Get back to us when you have ;-) [/quote] It's tailored to the USA, which has a different way of managing waste, a different set of rules and regulations. It isn't particularly relevant or comparable to the UK operation. Figures where mentioned don't look right to me. It does not cost twice as much to recycle as it does to landfill. Landfill isn't a good option for waste. It hides it, it does not get rid of it. The ongoing treatment and maintenance costs for active and closed landfills is not cheap by any stretch. The costs of putting waste into landfill is extremely high - to minimise it's use. Add to that the fact that existing ones are full and closing and new ones aren't being built. And anyway, even if there were available landfills, what has that got to do with recycling? Let's not bother because we can hide it all in a big hole in the ground? What good does that do? Even if the waste goes to an incinerator, it's still not right to chuck everything in out of laziness and ignorance. Recycling/reuse is cheaper than disposal. It also generates an income. It stops the earth being mined for raw materials to make metals/plastics/fibr es because what's already been pulled out can be used again. If recycling was more expensive than just disposing of everything all together, do you think any company in the country/world would do it? Of course not. No private business is going to take on a commercially or financially unviable operation. Hope this keeps you fed for a little while. Minger21
  • Score: 5

1:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

" It isn't particularly relevant or comparable to the UK operation. "

Did anyone claim it was?

There's a parade of uneducated idiots in Brighton today......shouldn't you be with them?
" It isn't particularly relevant or comparable to the UK operation. " Did anyone claim it was? There's a parade of uneducated idiots in Brighton today......shouldn't you be with them? stevo!!
  • Score: -4

1:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Minger21 says...

stevo!! says...

"We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space."

Who says?

And how is that linked to the fact that recycling is a waste of time? Landfill isn't the only method of disposing of waste rather than recycling it.

"So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE."

You asked for reasons to support my claim that recycling is a waste of time.

I did NOT claim that it was only a waste of time here in the UK, so the article I provided (which is one of many on the matter) was entirely appropriate.

I see you're still having trouble arguing against the points he made.


If you read the comments under the article you will see the author has said:
"I would like to reiterate, however, that the point of the article was not to declare recycling a bad thing, only that recycling - like so many other activities/instution
s in this country - was dropped upon us without having a sufficient discussion about it. I hope that I have provided at least enough evidence to make you question the wisdom of the curbside recycling program, even after questioning it you are still in favor.

My opinion about it, at this point, is that we should keep moving forward and see if it pans out in the long run."


Sooo..... this is awkward....
[quote]stevo!! says... "We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space." Who says? And how is that linked to the fact that recycling is a waste of time? Landfill isn't the only method of disposing of waste rather than recycling it. "So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE." You asked for reasons to support my claim that recycling is a waste of time. I did NOT claim that it was only a waste of time here in the UK, so the article I provided (which is one of many on the matter) was entirely appropriate. I see you're still having trouble arguing against the points he made.[/quote] If you read the comments under the article you will see the author has said: "I would like to reiterate, however, that the point of the article was not to declare recycling a bad thing, only that recycling - like so many other activities/instution s in this country - was dropped upon us without having a sufficient discussion about it. I hope that I have provided at least enough evidence to make you question the wisdom of the curbside recycling program, even after questioning it you are still in favor. My opinion about it, at this point, is that we should keep moving forward and see if it pans out in the long run." Sooo..... this is awkward.... Minger21
  • Score: 2

1:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

Minger21 wrote:
stevo!! says...

"We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space."

Who says?

And how is that linked to the fact that recycling is a waste of time? Landfill isn't the only method of disposing of waste rather than recycling it.

"So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE."

You asked for reasons to support my claim that recycling is a waste of time.

I did NOT claim that it was only a waste of time here in the UK, so the article I provided (which is one of many on the matter) was entirely appropriate.

I see you're still having trouble arguing against the points he made.


If you read the comments under the article you will see the author has said:
"I would like to reiterate, however, that the point of the article was not to declare recycling a bad thing, only that recycling - like so many other activities/instution

s in this country - was dropped upon us without having a sufficient discussion about it. I hope that I have provided at least enough evidence to make you question the wisdom of the curbside recycling program, even after questioning it you are still in favor.

My opinion about it, at this point, is that we should keep moving forward and see if it pans out in the long run."


Sooo..... this is awkward....
" this is awkward...."

Only for you, perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]Minger21[/bold] wrote: [quote]stevo!! says... "We in the UK on the other hand ARE running out landfill space." Who says? And how is that linked to the fact that recycling is a waste of time? Landfill isn't the only method of disposing of waste rather than recycling it. "So your linking that article to the ridiculous statement of "recycling is a waste of time" is utterly futile - that article has no connection to the problems we are facing HERE." You asked for reasons to support my claim that recycling is a waste of time. I did NOT claim that it was only a waste of time here in the UK, so the article I provided (which is one of many on the matter) was entirely appropriate. I see you're still having trouble arguing against the points he made.[/quote] If you read the comments under the article you will see the author has said: "I would like to reiterate, however, that the point of the article was not to declare recycling a bad thing, only that recycling - like so many other activities/instution s in this country - was dropped upon us without having a sufficient discussion about it. I hope that I have provided at least enough evidence to make you question the wisdom of the curbside recycling program, even after questioning it you are still in favor. My opinion about it, at this point, is that we should keep moving forward and see if it pans out in the long run." Sooo..... this is awkward....[/p][/quote]" this is awkward...." Only for you, perhaps. stevo!!
  • Score: -2

1:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Minger21 says...

stevo!! says...

" It isn't particularly relevant or comparable to the UK operation. "

Did anyone claim it was?

There's a parade of uneducated idiots in Brighton today......shouldn't you be with them?


Oh, you really are a treat. I wish I could live in a lovely bubble like you.

Why reference an article stating recycling is a "waste of time" if it's not relevant? Surely YOU posted it because YOU thought it was relevant to support your claim? (Which it incidentally doesn't)

It's a shame you don't know anything on the subject, else we could have had a good old fashioned debate. You might surprise me and come out with something sensible and not just repeating other people's opinions!

Over and out.
[quote]stevo!! says... " It isn't particularly relevant or comparable to the UK operation. " Did anyone claim it was? There's a parade of uneducated idiots in Brighton today......shouldn't you be with them? [/quote] Oh, you really are a treat. I wish I could live in a lovely bubble like you. Why reference an article stating recycling is a "waste of time" if it's not relevant? Surely YOU posted it because YOU thought it was relevant to support your claim? (Which it incidentally doesn't) It's a shame you don't know anything on the subject, else we could have had a good old fashioned debate. You might surprise me and come out with something sensible and not just repeating other people's opinions! Over and out. Minger21
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

stevo!! says...

"Why reference an article stating recycling is a "waste of time" if it's not relevant? "

I didn't claim that the article wasn't relevant to my claim that recycling is a waste of time.

HTH
"Why reference an article stating recycling is a "waste of time" if it's not relevant? " I didn't claim that the article wasn't relevant to my claim that recycling is a waste of time. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: -4

1:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

twistedg says...

Since the beginning of the year, my fortnightly recycling collection has gone without a hitch just twice. Every other time, it has either been late, not collected at all, my boxes have not been returned or have been damaged. I have written to the Council to complain, but never received either an acknowledgement or a reply. The only way I can get any kind of response from them is to contact them via Twitter! (@BHCCCityclean)

Last time it was late, I tweeted them and was told that they'd changed the collection schedule and it would now be collected one week later. However, no correspondence had been received by myself or any of my neighbours, as we all had our boxes out for collection on the 'wrong' Friday, and even the council's own website was showing the old, incorrect dates! I have to admit that there have been occasions when I've just slung it into a black sack because at least that gets collected.

There seems to be absolutely no accountability or responsibility from the Council. I am paying for a service which I either don't receive or don't receive in a satisfactory manner. Ordinarily, I would be entitled to a refund, but of couse, you can't get a refund on your council tax because it doesn't work like that. So the council are seemingly above the law - which therefore explains their cavalier attitude with their service. It's just appalling. You'd think that if there was one thing that the Green Party would be really hot on, it'd be recycling. It's totally laughable.I am actually looking to move out of B&H Council to get away from these clowns. They're killing this city.
Since the beginning of the year, my fortnightly recycling collection has gone without a hitch just twice. Every other time, it has either been late, not collected at all, my boxes have not been returned or have been damaged. I have written to the Council to complain, but never received either an acknowledgement or a reply. The only way I can get any kind of response from them is to contact them via Twitter! (@BHCCCityclean) Last time it was late, I tweeted them and was told that they'd changed the collection schedule and it would now be collected one week later. However, no correspondence had been received by myself or any of my neighbours, as we all had our boxes out for collection on the 'wrong' Friday, and even the council's own website was showing the old, incorrect dates! I have to admit that there have been occasions when I've just slung it into a black sack because at least that gets collected. There seems to be absolutely no accountability or responsibility from the Council. I am paying for a service which I either don't receive or don't receive in a satisfactory manner. Ordinarily, I would be entitled to a refund, but of couse, you can't get a refund on your council tax because it doesn't work like that. So the council are seemingly above the law - which therefore explains their cavalier attitude with their service. It's just appalling. You'd think that if there was one thing that the Green Party would be really hot on, it'd be recycling. It's totally laughable.I am actually looking to move out of B&H Council to get away from these clowns. They're killing this city. twistedg
  • Score: 13

3:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Phani Tikkala says...

Well where I live, the council hasn't once managed to collect the recycling on the correct days for over 4 months. Often there's 3 weeks between collections (or more).

No wonder then that rather than see piles of crap blown down the hill and kicked out of boxes by yobs for 3 weeks some people would rather just throw it out with the normal rubbish (which, ironically, is always collected on the correct days)

More ineptitude from the most inept council the city has ever seen
Well where I live, the council hasn't once managed to collect the recycling on the correct days for over 4 months. Often there's 3 weeks between collections (or more). No wonder then that rather than see piles of crap blown down the hill and kicked out of boxes by yobs for 3 weeks some people would rather just throw it out with the normal rubbish (which, ironically, is always collected on the correct days) More ineptitude from the most inept council the city has ever seen Phani Tikkala
  • Score: 9

3:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Goldenwight says...

May I suggest that we all take our recycling to the BHCC Offices and see what they do with it when it gets there.
May I suggest that we all take our recycling to the BHCC Offices and see what they do with it when it gets there. Goldenwight
  • Score: 6

9:46pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Friends of GreenBox says...

70% achieved 15 years ago.

Cleaner, cheaper and fairer than BHCC sponsored Veolia.

www.greenbox.works
70% achieved 15 years ago. Cleaner, cheaper and fairer than BHCC sponsored Veolia. www.greenbox.works Friends of GreenBox
  • Score: 2

7:11am Fri 11 Jul 14

the red head says...

The street recycling bins, chained to the pavement, are unsightly, difficult to 'feed' considering you have to flatten everything (try stamping down a cat food box?) and impossible to feel good about. They were a huge mistake, huge expense and embarrassment to this town. But the greens make excuses instead of a promise to correct their mistake! Shame on them. With everything they've done to my home city, shame on them. And shame for us.
The street recycling bins, chained to the pavement, are unsightly, difficult to 'feed' considering you have to flatten everything (try stamping down a cat food box?) and impossible to feel good about. They were a huge mistake, huge expense and embarrassment to this town. But the greens make excuses instead of a promise to correct their mistake! Shame on them. With everything they've done to my home city, shame on them. And shame for us. the red head
  • Score: 4

3:58pm Sat 12 Jul 14

FatherTed11 says...

the red head wrote:
The street recycling bins, chained to the pavement, are unsightly, difficult to 'feed' considering you have to flatten everything (try stamping down a cat food box?) and impossible to feel good about. They were a huge mistake, huge expense and embarrassment to this town. But the greens make excuses instead of a promise to correct their mistake! Shame on them. With everything they've done to my home city, shame on them. And shame for us.
I agree. Whenever I come back to Brighton from a normal town, it feels like returning to a ghetto with the smelly black bins on every street and rubbish blowing all over the place thanks to missed collections.
[quote][p][bold]the red head[/bold] wrote: The street recycling bins, chained to the pavement, are unsightly, difficult to 'feed' considering you have to flatten everything (try stamping down a cat food box?) and impossible to feel good about. They were a huge mistake, huge expense and embarrassment to this town. But the greens make excuses instead of a promise to correct their mistake! Shame on them. With everything they've done to my home city, shame on them. And shame for us.[/p][/quote]I agree. Whenever I come back to Brighton from a normal town, it feels like returning to a ghetto with the smelly black bins on every street and rubbish blowing all over the place thanks to missed collections. FatherTed11
  • Score: 1

7:40pm Sat 12 Jul 14

seaside_boy says...

the public communal bins near me are already filled with loads left on the street around it, looks a complete mess already :/
the public communal bins near me are already filled with loads left on the street around it, looks a complete mess already :/ seaside_boy
  • Score: 1
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