Man claims he can "no longer trust police" after brother's death

Jay Abatan, 42, died after being attacked in 1999.

Michael Abatan says he can no longer trust Sussex Police.

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The brother of a city high-flier who died after an unprovoked attack more than 15 years ago claims significant facts from the investigation were kept from his family by police.

Michael Abatan says he can no longer trust Sussex Police after discovering a serving officer was with a group of people who allegedly attacked his brother Jay Abatan outside a Brighton nightclub in January 1999.

The 42-year-old tax specialist from Eastbourne was assaulted while waiting for a taxi outside the now closed Ocean Rooms with his brother Michael.

The father of two, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, hit his head on the pavement, suffered a fractured skull and died in hospital five days later.

Two men, Graham Curtis and Peter Bell, were arrested by Sussex Police within 24 hours of the attack but manslaughter charges were later dropped.

Michael Abatan will meet Sussex Police and crime commissioner Katy Bourne in Lewes tomorrow to discuss the lack of progress of the investigation.

Complaints from Jay Abatan's family about Sussex Police's failings in the initial investigation led to separate reviews by Essex, and Avon and Somerset police forces.

Michael Abatan says he believes police links with his brother's alleged killers have always made it impossible for Sussex Police to get justice for Jay.

He said there had been "a wall of silence around the case" and that he would not rest until he was told "why his brother was denied justice".

In October 2010, Brighton and Hove Coroner Veronica Hamilton-Deeley recorded a verdict of unlawful killing.

Mr Bell gave evidence saying he had not seen Mr Curtis hit or kick Jay Abatan, but he declined to answer when he was asked if he had done so himself.

Mr Curtis hanged himself at his Brighton home in June 2003.

Michael Abatan said: "My family can no longer trust Sussex Police.

"We cannot understand why such significant facts have been kept from us regarding the night my brother was attacked.

"Important material such as this should have been fully disclosed to us, Essex and Avon and Somerset forces and also to the public.

"I was led to believe that Sussex Police would be 'open'.

"The revelation that a police officer was with the group on the night that they attacked my brother and I makes the handling of this case all the more reprehensible."

Michael Abatan said his brother's case was the only non-white murder that year in Sussex and claims it was "the only one not to be given adequate homicide resources".

He said: "We were treated like second class citizens, just as the (Stephen) Lawrence Inquiry was reporting on institutional racism in the police.

"Given the catalogue of flaws we have been subjected to, this merits a full public inquiry into the case and I will be taking this up with the Home Secretary.

"The death of Stephen Lawrence and the subsequent report by Sir William Macpherson that labelled the Metropolitan Police force "institutionally racist" ushered in sweeping reforms.

"It is clear that those reforms were not implemented in Jay's initial investigation."

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8:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

ThinkBrighton says...

This man has got a point with 5 chief constables currently being investigated for wrong doing, it is quite unfortunate that the police seem to forget that they are employed to uphold the laws of the UK and not make them up as they go along.
This man has got a point with 5 chief constables currently being investigated for wrong doing, it is quite unfortunate that the police seem to forget that they are employed to uphold the laws of the UK and not make them up as they go along. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: -7

9:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

Goldenwight says...

But why did he wait 15 years?
But why did he wait 15 years? Goldenwight
  • Score: -49

9:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
Maybe because he's seen the police and the authorities bending over backwards to cosy up to non-white victims recently?

After all, Doreen Lawrence made racist comments after her son's death, and now she's a peer entirely due to establishment sucking up.

However, I can understand fully why no charges were brought - a police officer was among the group alongside the attackers.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]Maybe because he's seen the police and the authorities bending over backwards to cosy up to non-white victims recently? After all, Doreen Lawrence made racist comments after her son's death, and now she's a peer entirely due to establishment sucking up. However, I can understand fully why no charges were brought - a police officer was among the group alongside the attackers. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

10:01am Wed 13 Aug 14

Valerie Paynter says...

Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 6

11:09am Wed 13 Aug 14

nissancars says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.[/p][/quote]i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated nissancars
  • Score: -14

11:14am Wed 13 Aug 14

Sheeples says...

Police, Banker, Politicians, Clergymen and BBC entertainers....Pila
r's of the community!
Police, Banker, Politicians, Clergymen and BBC entertainers....Pila r's of the community! Sheeples
  • Score: 6

11:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

nissancars wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated
In what way does the law need altering? You assaulted three men for mouthing off, and one of them died from his injuries. They didn't threaten you - you just didn't like the way they were behaving.

You were lucky not to be charged with murder.
[quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.[/p][/quote]i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated[/p][/quote]In what way does the law need altering? You assaulted three men for mouthing off, and one of them died from his injuries. They didn't threaten you - you just didn't like the way they were behaving. You were lucky not to be charged with murder. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski says...

Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer! Nikski
  • Score: 14

12:44pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder"

Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence?

It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer![/p][/quote]"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder" Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence? It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

1:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ThinkBrighton says...

stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder"

Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence?

It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.
Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer![/p][/quote]"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder" Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence? It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.[/p][/quote]Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55 ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 2

1:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder"

Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence?

It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.
Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55
I made no mention of a comma because one wasn't required in his statement in order to convey its meaning.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer![/p][/quote]"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder" Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence? It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.[/p][/quote]Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55[/p][/quote]I made no mention of a comma because one wasn't required in his statement in order to convey its meaning. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski says...

stevo!! wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder"

Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence?

It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.
Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55
I made no mention of a comma because one wasn't required in his statement in order to convey its meaning.

HTH
You didn't get the meaning though did you stevo? The point was that in effect they are the same because the end result is that someone dies....I am aware of the legal difference. I didn't realise I'd have to spell it out but as you are so literal minded and have no grasp of inference or subtlety I obviously do!
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer![/p][/quote]"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder" Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence? It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.[/p][/quote]Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55[/p][/quote]I made no mention of a comma because one wasn't required in his statement in order to convey its meaning. HTH[/p][/quote]You didn't get the meaning though did you stevo? The point was that in effect they are the same because the end result is that someone dies....I am aware of the legal difference. I didn't realise I'd have to spell it out but as you are so literal minded and have no grasp of inference or subtlety I obviously do! Nikski
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
ThinkBrighton wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder"

Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence?

It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.
Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55
I made no mention of a comma because one wasn't required in his statement in order to convey its meaning.

HTH
You didn't get the meaning though did you stevo? The point was that in effect they are the same because the end result is that someone dies....I am aware of the legal difference. I didn't realise I'd have to spell it out but as you are so literal minded and have no grasp of inference or subtlety I obviously do!
I got the meaning perfectly, thank you.

You claimed:

"Manslaughter is murder"

which it isn't, and then to correct yourself, you claimed that as it is:

" not premeditated "

which is correct.

What you should have said was that both have the same result.

You're welcome.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer![/p][/quote]"Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder" Reduced to contradicting yourself in the same sentence? It cannot be called murder because it isn't murder.[/p][/quote]Theres no need to point out that he just left out a coma between the words murder and just, and there is also no need to take the pi55[/p][/quote]I made no mention of a comma because one wasn't required in his statement in order to convey its meaning. HTH[/p][/quote]You didn't get the meaning though did you stevo? The point was that in effect they are the same because the end result is that someone dies....I am aware of the legal difference. I didn't realise I'd have to spell it out but as you are so literal minded and have no grasp of inference or subtlety I obviously do![/p][/quote]I got the meaning perfectly, thank you. You claimed: "Manslaughter is murder" which it isn't, and then to correct yourself, you claimed that as it is: " not premeditated " which is correct. What you should have said was that both have the same result. You're welcome. stevo!!
  • Score: 1

3:59pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Goldenwight says...

stevo!! wrote:
Goldenwight wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?
Maybe because he's seen the police and the authorities bending over backwards to cosy up to non-white victims recently? After all, Doreen Lawrence made racist comments after her son's death, and now she's a peer entirely due to establishment sucking up. However, I can understand fully why no charges were brought - a police officer was among the group alongside the attackers.
That comment is so inappropriate that it defies belief. I hope you can sleep with your beliefs at night, because nobody else will.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]Maybe because he's seen the police and the authorities bending over backwards to cosy up to non-white victims recently? After all, Doreen Lawrence made racist comments after her son's death, and now she's a peer entirely due to establishment sucking up. However, I can understand fully why no charges were brought - a police officer was among the group alongside the attackers.[/p][/quote]That comment is so inappropriate that it defies belief. I hope you can sleep with your beliefs at night, because nobody else will. Goldenwight
  • Score: 4

4:10pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Goldenwight wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Goldenwight wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?
Maybe because he's seen the police and the authorities bending over backwards to cosy up to non-white victims recently? After all, Doreen Lawrence made racist comments after her son's death, and now she's a peer entirely due to establishment sucking up. However, I can understand fully why no charges were brought - a police officer was among the group alongside the attackers.
That comment is so inappropriate that it defies belief. I hope you can sleep with your beliefs at night, because nobody else will.
My comments are factually accurate, and if reality appalls you so much, look for ways to avoid it.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]Maybe because he's seen the police and the authorities bending over backwards to cosy up to non-white victims recently? After all, Doreen Lawrence made racist comments after her son's death, and now she's a peer entirely due to establishment sucking up. However, I can understand fully why no charges were brought - a police officer was among the group alongside the attackers.[/p][/quote]That comment is so inappropriate that it defies belief. I hope you can sleep with your beliefs at night, because nobody else will.[/p][/quote]My comments are factually accurate, and if reality appalls you so much, look for ways to avoid it. stevo!!
  • Score: -1

4:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski says...

What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police.
The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?
What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police. The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from? Nikski
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Nikski wrote:
What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police.
The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?
If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain.

Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples.

Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do.

HTH
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police. The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?[/p][/quote]If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain. Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples. Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do. HTH stevo!!
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

hellohonkytonks says...

stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police.
The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?
If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain.

Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples.

Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do.

HTH
It does help Stevo!! and thank you.Your first statement is 100% accurate but the bleeding liberals would never admit it.Lets take step back and look at the state of our Country because we all have to cater for the minority.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police. The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?[/p][/quote]If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain. Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples. Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do. HTH[/p][/quote]It does help Stevo!! and thank you.Your first statement is 100% accurate but the bleeding liberals would never admit it.Lets take step back and look at the state of our Country because we all have to cater for the minority. hellohonkytonks
  • Score: -60

6:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski says...

hellohonkytonks wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police.
The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?
If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain.

Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples.

Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do.

HTH
It does help Stevo!! and thank you.Your first statement is 100% accurate but the bleeding liberals would never admit it.Lets take step back and look at the state of our Country because we all have to cater for the minority.
Ah this could be the start of a wonderful internet romance; I hope you and stevo will be very happy together.
[quote][p][bold]hellohonkytonks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police. The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?[/p][/quote]If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain. Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples. Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do. HTH[/p][/quote]It does help Stevo!! and thank you.Your first statement is 100% accurate but the bleeding liberals would never admit it.Lets take step back and look at the state of our Country because we all have to cater for the minority.[/p][/quote]Ah this could be the start of a wonderful internet romance; I hope you and stevo will be very happy together. Nikski
  • Score: -6

8:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

hellohonkytonks wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
Nikski wrote:
What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police.
The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?
If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain.

Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples.

Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do.

HTH
It does help Stevo!! and thank you.Your first statement is 100% accurate but the bleeding liberals would never admit it.Lets take step back and look at the state of our Country because we all have to cater for the minority.
Wow....a massive vote swing from plus 243 to minus God knows.
[quote][p][bold]hellohonkytonks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: What we all have to remember is that a man lost his life whilst on a night out 15 years ago; in whatever way he was unlawfully killed and no-one has been brought to justice for that crime. Jay's family need some closure and are entitled to answers from Sussex Police. The other thing we need to remember, although very much less important, is that stevo is always factually correct in his own mind and therefore cannot be challenged....some might call him deluded but if stevo believes something to be true it is absolutely pointless trying to convince him otherwise! He doesn't do opinions, doesn't see that thoughts aren't facts. There is only stevo's truth and stevo's way; he is a higher intelligence as against us mere mortals. I wonder which planet he originates from?[/p][/quote]If you see any of my statements that you consider to be factually incorrect or based on incorrect information, you are free to point them and and explain. Given, however, that you've admitted making claims about me that were based on your ignorance and prejudice, I won't hold my breath waiting for examples. Whenever I spot a false comment, I quote it and correct it. It's what people with brains and intelligence do. HTH[/p][/quote]It does help Stevo!! and thank you.Your first statement is 100% accurate but the bleeding liberals would never admit it.Lets take step back and look at the state of our Country because we all have to cater for the minority.[/p][/quote]Wow....a massive vote swing from plus 243 to minus God knows. stevo!!
  • Score: 0

8:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

hubby says...

Does anybody really trust the police?
Does anybody really trust the police? hubby
  • Score: -1

9:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nikski says...

nissancars wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated
Ooh you're a tough guy........Single punch you vs 3 of them just bad luck one had an 'eggshell' skull eh! You sure it wasn't cos you hit them so hard ironfist? Or could it be you are a sad little fantasist who's watched too many movies?
[quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.[/p][/quote]i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated[/p][/quote]Ooh you're a tough guy........Single punch you vs 3 of them just bad luck one had an 'eggshell' skull eh! You sure it wasn't cos you hit them so hard ironfist? Or could it be you are a sad little fantasist who's watched too many movies? Nikski
  • Score: 1

11:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

nissancars says...

stevo!! wrote:
nissancars wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated
In what way does the law need altering? You assaulted three men for mouthing off, and one of them died from his injuries. They didn't threaten you - you just didn't like the way they were behaving.

You were lucky not to be charged with murder.
i was charged with murder for 10 month.they had verbaly and physicaly assaulted people passing.as soon as they mouthed off i told them and as soon as one put his hands on my mrs i let the 3 of them have it.this was why my murder charge was altered to manslaughter as one had grabbed my mrs.because of the victims family statement i wasnt allowed to go back to merseyside and probation moved me here.isee all these drunks here and feel annoyed that the police let them get away with abusing people
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.[/p][/quote]i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated[/p][/quote]In what way does the law need altering? You assaulted three men for mouthing off, and one of them died from his injuries. They didn't threaten you - you just didn't like the way they were behaving. You were lucky not to be charged with murder.[/p][/quote]i was charged with murder for 10 month.they had verbaly and physicaly assaulted people passing.as soon as they mouthed off i told them and as soon as one put his hands on my mrs i let the 3 of them have it.this was why my murder charge was altered to manslaughter as one had grabbed my mrs.because of the victims family statement i wasnt allowed to go back to merseyside and probation moved me here.isee all these drunks here and feel annoyed that the police let them get away with abusing people nissancars
  • Score: -2

11:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

nissancars wrote:
stevo!! wrote:
nissancars wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated
In what way does the law need altering? You assaulted three men for mouthing off, and one of them died from his injuries. They didn't threaten you - you just didn't like the way they were behaving.

You were lucky not to be charged with murder.
i was charged with murder for 10 month.they had verbaly and physicaly assaulted people passing.as soon as they mouthed off i told them and as soon as one put his hands on my mrs i let the 3 of them have it.this was why my murder charge was altered to manslaughter as one had grabbed my mrs.because of the victims family statement i wasnt allowed to go back to merseyside and probation moved me here.isee all these drunks here and feel annoyed that the police let them get away with abusing people
It was none of your business, yet you killed one of them.

I am so sorry that we have filth like you living among us.
[quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.[/p][/quote]i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated[/p][/quote]In what way does the law need altering? You assaulted three men for mouthing off, and one of them died from his injuries. They didn't threaten you - you just didn't like the way they were behaving. You were lucky not to be charged with murder.[/p][/quote]i was charged with murder for 10 month.they had verbaly and physicaly assaulted people passing.as soon as they mouthed off i told them and as soon as one put his hands on my mrs i let the 3 of them have it.this was why my murder charge was altered to manslaughter as one had grabbed my mrs.because of the victims family statement i wasnt allowed to go back to merseyside and probation moved me here.isee all these drunks here and feel annoyed that the police let them get away with abusing people[/p][/quote]It was none of your business, yet you killed one of them. I am so sorry that we have filth like you living among us. stevo!!
  • Score: -4

11:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

nissancars says...

Nikski wrote:
Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer!
i would do it again and you dont have a clue about my case.i still hate drunken people that mouth off.and murderers dont get long enough.im not a murderer im a killer through circumstances
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: Manslaughter is murder just not premeditated so can't be called murder, still means someone lost their life. 5 years obviously not long enough for the goon called nissancars as they show no contrition or remorse so learned nothing. A disgrace should have been banged up far longer![/p][/quote]i would do it again and you dont have a clue about my case.i still hate drunken people that mouth off.and murderers dont get long enough.im not a murderer im a killer through circumstances nissancars
  • Score: 0

11:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

nissancars says...

Nikski wrote:
nissancars wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Goldenwight wrote:
But why did he wait 15 years?
I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge.

We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses.

I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.
i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated
Ooh you're a tough guy........Single punch you vs 3 of them just bad luck one had an 'eggshell' skull eh! You sure it wasn't cos you hit them so hard ironfist? Or could it be you are a sad little fantasist who's watched too many movies?
i was not a tough guy then.i was a guy looking out for my mrs.yes i can fight now thanks and i dont watch films.i lost everything through my first time in trouble.worked hard all my life.someone grabs your partner then your going to react how
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: But why did he wait 15 years?[/p][/quote]I admire the Abatan family who have never let the killing of Jay Abatan slip from public memory. He has not waited 15 years. Every once in a while there is an article about that event and this one is a shocker. In fact I am sickened to know a police officer was in the group, yet somehow has not been providing definitive information that would result in a charge. We desperately need a specific law to address culpability for single punch killings/deaths. Anyone who punches a person in the head or so they fall to the ground and risk a head fracture knows they are likely to cause serious damage or death. No excuses. I include police officers using tazers to drop people in this. They too are careless of the possibility of a head fracture leading to death. It has to stop.[/p][/quote]i was jailed for manslaughter when i was younger from a single punch. i was with my partner sober as i dont drink. 3 guys who had had a drink were mouthing off to all walking by. i stood up to the 3 of them and we ended up fighting 3 against 1.i hit them all but one had an egg shell skull and when he hit the floor died.i served 5 years in jail for it.there is laws for every definition and degree of intent.because i stood up to these tipsy prats i was deemed to be in the wrong.self defence laws need to be updated[/p][/quote]Ooh you're a tough guy........Single punch you vs 3 of them just bad luck one had an 'eggshell' skull eh! You sure it wasn't cos you hit them so hard ironfist? Or could it be you are a sad little fantasist who's watched too many movies?[/p][/quote]i was not a tough guy then.i was a guy looking out for my mrs.yes i can fight now thanks and i dont watch films.i lost everything through my first time in trouble.worked hard all my life.someone grabs your partner then your going to react how nissancars
  • Score: 0

12:22am Thu 14 Aug 14

The Real Phil says...

So sorry for the family and their loss, but corruption and cover ups involving the police are no longer a news story, simply a way of life.
So sorry for the family and their loss, but corruption and cover ups involving the police are no longer a news story, simply a way of life. The Real Phil
  • Score: -4

11:40pm Mon 25 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

And what was the outcome of the meeting?
And what was the outcome of the meeting? notslimjim
  • Score: 0

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