Coach driver discovers illegal immigrant below rear axle after 110-mile trip

Coach driver discovers illegal immigrant below rear axle after 110-mile trip

Ross Patrick's coach

Driver and owner Ross Patrick

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A TRAVEL company owner who caught an illegal immigrant hiding under his coach fears he could be fined £2,000.

Ross Patrick, 58, discovered the stowaway perched underneath the rear axle as he dropped off holidaymakers in Newhaven on Wednesday night.

He believes the man endured nearly six hours under the bus as it travelled along the M25 and M23 back to Sussex at speeds of up to 60mph.

Mr Patrick heard banging and yelling from underneath the bus as about 20 passengers disembarked after a two-day trip to Boulogne-sur-Mer, organised by Mr Patrick’s company Victoria Travel Sussex Ltd. He believes the man, who he described as black and in his 20s, travelled undetected through the Eurotunnel.

He said: “I could not believe he had been under the bus all that time.

“He had obviously realised he was in England and was yelling to me to stop so he could get away.

“But I called the police straight away and they escorted me to Newhaven Docks where he was arrested by immigration police.”

Mr Patrick said he was “shocked” as he was then told he could face a fine for transporting the man into the country and fears it would stunt his recently launched business.

He said: “The risk of being fined gives people like me no incentive to help the officials and makes me wonder if it’s worth travelling abroad at all.

“I only launched the company two and a half years ago and if I’m fined it will have a serious affect on my livelihood.”

A Sussex Police spokesman said: “We were contacted at 10.45pm on Wednesday by a man who reported he had found someone hiding under his vehicle.

“A 25-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of immigration offences.

“The incident is being dealt with by the Border Force.”

A Home Office spokeswoman said: “Security at the UK border is our priority and we will continue to strengthen it to stop those who have no right to enter the UK.

"Border Force works closely with the haulage industry to ensure drivers and hauliers are aware of what steps they are expected to take to secure their vehicles. "Those who are found to have would-be illegal immigrants on their vehicles can avoid a civil penalty if they prove they have taken these steps.”

HOLIDAY-MAKERS WATCH ON AS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ROUNDED UP

A HOLIDAY-MAKER was “shocked” as border guards chased illegal immigrants away from a French dock gate as he travelled back to Newhaven.

The 32-year-old Brighton man, who has asked to be named only as Keiron, told The Argus he watched the saga carry on for hours as he travelled back from Dieppe to the UK in the early hours of Sunday morning.

He said: “I found it quite upsetting and horrifying.

“The police took torches and dogs sniffed people out from hiding under lorries.

“They chased some in a van as they ran off and then rounded up about eight people and held them on a roundabout until the ferry left, then they let them go.

“Everybody was standing out of their cars watching in shock. It’s something you never expect to see.

“I spoke to an immigration officer as I came into the UK and he said a lack of man power meant it was difficult to police the problem.

“I felt sorry for them, they are taking their lives in their hands and want to come over here for a better life.

“But there didn’t seem to be anything anyone could do to stop the situation.”

National media reports this week claim as many as 12,000 migrants try to get into Britain illegally through Calais each year.

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7:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

Let's hope that the fine teaches him to check his vehicle in future.

He imported a criminal into this country.
Let's hope that the fine teaches him to check his vehicle in future. He imported a criminal into this country. stevo!!
  • Score: -37

9:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

maxiboy_ says...

Will this illegal immigrant be deported immediately back to his own country or France?

Answers on a postcard to 10 Downing Street, Westminster.
Will this illegal immigrant be deported immediately back to his own country or France? Answers on a postcard to 10 Downing Street, Westminster. maxiboy_
  • Score: 64

10:26pm Thu 14 Aug 14

hoveguyactually says...

“They chased some in a van as they ran off and then rounded up about eight people and held them on a roundabout until the ferry left, then they let them go."

Then they let them go. Go where?
Welcome to Soft Touch Britain. England People Very Nice.
“They chased some in a van as they ran off and then rounded up about eight people and held them on a roundabout until the ferry left, then they let them go." Then they let them go. Go where? Welcome to Soft Touch Britain. England People Very Nice. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 22

10:45pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Fight_Back says...

So the driver did the correct thing and contacted the police and for his trouble he could be fined ? I'd suggest to the driver that in future he just stops and lets the illegal immigrant run away. The phrase "the law is an ase" was never truer.
So the driver did the correct thing and contacted the police and for his trouble he could be fined ? I'd suggest to the driver that in future he just stops and lets the illegal immigrant run away. The phrase "the law is an ase" was never truer. Fight_Back
  • Score: 70

11:42pm Thu 14 Aug 14

south1919 says...

“I felt sorry for them, they are taking their lives in their hands and want to come over here for a better life.
No a free life is what you mean
“I felt sorry for them, they are taking their lives in their hands and want to come over here for a better life. No a free life is what you mean south1919
  • Score: 11

1:04am Fri 15 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

The story has one gaping error.

The coach had stopped to let passengers get off, so why:

"He had obviously realised he was in England and was yelling to me to stop so he could get away. "

??

The coach wasn't moving at the time.

"He said: “The risk of being fined gives people like me no incentive to help the officials ..."

Actually, it gives people like you every incentive to check your vehicles prior to departure.
The story has one gaping error. The coach had stopped to let passengers get off, so why: "He had obviously realised he was in England and was yelling to me to stop so he could get away. " ?? The coach wasn't moving at the time. "He said: “The risk of being fined gives people like me no incentive to help the officials ..." Actually, it gives people like you every incentive to check your vehicles prior to departure. stevo!!
  • Score: -10

6:52am Fri 15 Aug 14

Sir Prised says...

Whilst I wouldn't fine this guy, simply because you don't want to deter drivers reporting things like this, I don't understand it, when you see these illegals able to open the back-door of lorries driving through Calais ! Surely they should be able to make the things secure? The real answer though, is to end the impression we're the world's social services!
Whilst I wouldn't fine this guy, simply because you don't want to deter drivers reporting things like this, I don't understand it, when you see these illegals able to open the back-door of lorries driving through Calais ! Surely they should be able to make the things secure? The real answer though, is to end the impression we're the world's social services! Sir Prised
  • Score: 31

7:07am Fri 15 Aug 14

argchat says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
“They chased some in a van as they ran off and then rounded up about eight people and held them on a roundabout until the ferry left, then they let them go."

Then they let them go. Go where?
Welcome to Soft Touch Britain. England People Very Nice.
What amazes me is that we are an island. If people slip through the net like this is just shows you the lack of support our border force really gets. You have to wonder why UKIP is doing well in the South East don't you, because the other parties don't really seem to care.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: “They chased some in a van as they ran off and then rounded up about eight people and held them on a roundabout until the ferry left, then they let them go." Then they let them go. Go where? Welcome to Soft Touch Britain. England People Very Nice.[/p][/quote]What amazes me is that we are an island. If people slip through the net like this is just shows you the lack of support our border force really gets. You have to wonder why UKIP is doing well in the South East don't you, because the other parties don't really seem to care. argchat
  • Score: 28

7:17am Fri 15 Aug 14

hyram77 says...

If there were tighter controls at the borders in France these illegal immigrants wouldn't be permitted to get anywhere near vehicles waiting to board ferries and trains to the Uk. In this case the guy will likely claim asylum and remain in the UK sapping our already overwhelmed resources. Happy days!
If there were tighter controls at the borders in France these illegal immigrants wouldn't be permitted to get anywhere near vehicles waiting to board ferries and trains to the Uk. In this case the guy will likely claim asylum and remain in the UK sapping our already overwhelmed resources. Happy days! hyram77
  • Score: 29

7:36am Fri 15 Aug 14

stevö!! says...

I've had my medicine. I think we should show compassion tot both the immigrant and the driver - people make mistakes. ??

As I've said before I have a severe personality disorder. I'm a monster.

HTH
I've had my medicine. I think we should show compassion tot both the immigrant and the driver - people make mistakes. ?? As I've said before I have a severe personality disorder. I'm a monster. HTH stevö!!
  • Score: 3

7:38am Fri 15 Aug 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Dozens of people enter the UK via lorries, trucks, small boats every day. Once they have arrived they can claim asylum if their lives are at risk in their homeland. If they are not able to claim asylum, usually because they come from a non EU country but their lives are not at risk in their own country, so they have no right in the UK, they are given money to return home using public transport. As soon as they leave the police station they skip off to hide in one of the UKs cities. We actually have no idea how many of these people are in the UK.
In an attempt to stop the numbers of people entering the country without having to increase the spend on paying to police the borders properly, the Govt simply landed a fine system on transport operators who brought illegal immigrants into the UK, most unwittingly some possibly for payment.
This lead to designs of lorries changing and more checks by drivers, but the people trying to get to the UK are determined and will bypass any measures, leaving transport operators no chance but to ignore immigrants who get in on their trucks and not report them when they arrive.
The fines simply add costs into any UK goods that people buy as private companies require more security.
Perhaps the next election is the chance to tell potential MPs to spend money on policing our borders instead of landing costs on businesses and the UK consumers.
But if you really believe that people are deported by groups of burly guards you are mistaken. That only happens to a small number of illegal immigrants with serious convictions unless they claim the deportation breaches their human rights.
We are a bit of a mess as a nation with regards to our borders.
Dozens of people enter the UK via lorries, trucks, small boats every day. Once they have arrived they can claim asylum if their lives are at risk in their homeland. If they are not able to claim asylum, usually because they come from a non EU country but their lives are not at risk in their own country, so they have no right in the UK, they are given money to return home using public transport. As soon as they leave the police station they skip off to hide in one of the UKs cities. We actually have no idea how many of these people are in the UK. In an attempt to stop the numbers of people entering the country without having to increase the spend on paying to police the borders properly, the Govt simply landed a fine system on transport operators who brought illegal immigrants into the UK, most unwittingly some possibly for payment. This lead to designs of lorries changing and more checks by drivers, but the people trying to get to the UK are determined and will bypass any measures, leaving transport operators no chance but to ignore immigrants who get in on their trucks and not report them when they arrive. The fines simply add costs into any UK goods that people buy as private companies require more security. Perhaps the next election is the chance to tell potential MPs to spend money on policing our borders instead of landing costs on businesses and the UK consumers. But if you really believe that people are deported by groups of burly guards you are mistaken. That only happens to a small number of illegal immigrants with serious convictions unless they claim the deportation breaches their human rights. We are a bit of a mess as a nation with regards to our borders. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 30

8:35am Fri 15 Aug 14

leftysmellbags says...

I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.
I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal. leftysmellbags
  • Score: -33

9:09am Fri 15 Aug 14

argchat says...

hyram77 wrote:
If there were tighter controls at the borders in France these illegal immigrants wouldn't be permitted to get anywhere near vehicles waiting to board ferries and trains to the Uk. In this case the guy will likely claim asylum and remain in the UK sapping our already overwhelmed resources. Happy days!
Thing is last time I was in Dieppe which was about two weeks ago, they have tightened up the borders. Unfortunately I think migrants have now worked out that this is a weak point in the system, so are making their way to these smaller ports in France like Dieppe to take that chance. This is all down to the EU at the end of the day. If they controlled the borders properly in countries like Italy, Greece and other countries, which are points of entry to the EU they wouldn't be camping out in France waiting to get here. I'm afraid I can only see this situation getting worse, and I can see us eventually having to take people. In Calais there are over 1000 people sleeping rough waiting to get to the UK. People also forget the numbers of people who already come to the UK legally through the EU open borders system, and people who come here legally from outside the EU. So whilst silly people get uptight trying to prove the point that UKIP where wrong on the numbers of people coming from Romania and Bulgaria, they forget about the numbers of people from everywhere else. It honestly is a complete and utter mess that nobody wants to talk about or sort out properly. This is one of the reasons why the EU needs reform.
[quote][p][bold]hyram77[/bold] wrote: If there were tighter controls at the borders in France these illegal immigrants wouldn't be permitted to get anywhere near vehicles waiting to board ferries and trains to the Uk. In this case the guy will likely claim asylum and remain in the UK sapping our already overwhelmed resources. Happy days![/p][/quote]Thing is last time I was in Dieppe which was about two weeks ago, they have tightened up the borders. Unfortunately I think migrants have now worked out that this is a weak point in the system, so are making their way to these smaller ports in France like Dieppe to take that chance. This is all down to the EU at the end of the day. If they controlled the borders properly in countries like Italy, Greece and other countries, which are points of entry to the EU they wouldn't be camping out in France waiting to get here. I'm afraid I can only see this situation getting worse, and I can see us eventually having to take people. In Calais there are over 1000 people sleeping rough waiting to get to the UK. People also forget the numbers of people who already come to the UK legally through the EU open borders system, and people who come here legally from outside the EU. So whilst silly people get uptight trying to prove the point that UKIP where wrong on the numbers of people coming from Romania and Bulgaria, they forget about the numbers of people from everywhere else. It honestly is a complete and utter mess that nobody wants to talk about or sort out properly. This is one of the reasons why the EU needs reform. argchat
  • Score: 10

9:28am Fri 15 Aug 14

Goldenwight says...

Some people will go to extreme lengths to avoid paying for a ticket.
Some people will go to extreme lengths to avoid paying for a ticket. Goldenwight
  • Score: -10

9:30am Fri 15 Aug 14

john newman says...

The perception is that we are the great providers of Europe and a soft touch. As a result these problems are not going to go away until proper borders are established and diligently maintained.
The perception is that we are the great providers of Europe and a soft touch. As a result these problems are not going to go away until proper borders are established and diligently maintained. john newman
  • Score: 16

10:06am Fri 15 Aug 14

ruberducker says...

So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..
So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle.. ruberducker
  • Score: 10

10:25am Fri 15 Aug 14

stevo!! says...

ruberducker wrote:
So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..
Because the onus is upon the driver.
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..[/p][/quote]Because the onus is upon the driver. stevo!!
  • Score: -9

10:57am Fri 15 Aug 14

argchat says...

ruberducker wrote:
So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..
All wrong isn't it. One day the penny will finally drop with a lot of people and the current political parties will be voted out in favour of a party with some sensible solutions on immigration, open borders and the EU instead.
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..[/p][/quote]All wrong isn't it. One day the penny will finally drop with a lot of people and the current political parties will be voted out in favour of a party with some sensible solutions on immigration, open borders and the EU instead. argchat
  • Score: 4

11:10am Fri 15 Aug 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

stevo!! wrote:
Let's hope that the fine teaches him to check his vehicle in future.

He imported a criminal into this country.
He report this chap to the police as soon as he found him. The person was taken into proper custody. He did his best. Recently Surrey Police found 16 illegals in the back of a lorry at the services on the M25. Now that was negligent of the driver. This guy failed to spot one person under his coach, but moved darn quick when he found him. Give him a break.
[quote][p][bold]stevo!![/bold] wrote: Let's hope that the fine teaches him to check his vehicle in future. He imported a criminal into this country.[/p][/quote]He report this chap to the police as soon as he found him. The person was taken into proper custody. He did his best. Recently Surrey Police found 16 illegals in the back of a lorry at the services on the M25. Now that was negligent of the driver. This guy failed to spot one person under his coach, but moved darn quick when he found him. Give him a break. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: 18

11:18am Fri 15 Aug 14

inmegarden says...

argchat wrote:
ruberducker wrote:
So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..
All wrong isn't it. One day the penny will finally drop with a lot of people and the current political parties will be voted out in favour of a party with some sensible solutions on immigration, open borders and the EU instead.
If there are "millions" of immigrants, and "they can't trace over a million" how do 'they/you' know "the majority are on benefits"...swivel +eye+loon.
[quote][p][bold]argchat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: So the uk let millions in to the country..they cant trace over a million...the majority are on benefits...and lorry/coach drivers are working and doing a job...how is it there fault if the border agency dont do there job and check the vehicle..[/p][/quote]All wrong isn't it. One day the penny will finally drop with a lot of people and the current political parties will be voted out in favour of a party with some sensible solutions on immigration, open borders and the EU instead.[/p][/quote]If there are "millions" of immigrants, and "they can't trace over a million" how do 'they/you' know "the majority are on benefits"...swivel +eye+loon. inmegarden
  • Score: -3

11:23am Fri 15 Aug 14

Hove Ex-Pat says...

leftysmellbags wrote:
I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.
What a stupid comment, leftysmellbags. Read the article. He is new at this business. He does not need this kind of attention. It could do serious damage to his fledging business. He will now find his coach seriously turned over, by customs & immigration, every time he crosses the water.
And of course he handed the guy over to the police. With all these points I think it is extremely unlikely that he was paid to do this.
[quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.[/p][/quote]What a stupid comment, leftysmellbags. Read the article. He is new at this business. He does not need this kind of attention. It could do serious damage to his fledging business. He will now find his coach seriously turned over, by customs & immigration, every time he crosses the water. And of course he handed the guy over to the police. With all these points I think it is extremely unlikely that he was paid to do this. Hove Ex-Pat
  • Score: 8

11:50am Fri 15 Aug 14

Youlikemyjugs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Dozens of people enter the UK via lorries, trucks, small boats every day. Once they have arrived they can claim asylum if their lives are at risk in their homeland. If they are not able to claim asylum, usually because they come from a non EU country but their lives are not at risk in their own country, so they have no right in the UK, they are given money to return home using public transport. As soon as they leave the police station they skip off to hide in one of the UKs cities. We actually have no idea how many of these people are in the UK.
In an attempt to stop the numbers of people entering the country without having to increase the spend on paying to police the borders properly, the Govt simply landed a fine system on transport operators who brought illegal immigrants into the UK, most unwittingly some possibly for payment.
This lead to designs of lorries changing and more checks by drivers, but the people trying to get to the UK are determined and will bypass any measures, leaving transport operators no chance but to ignore immigrants who get in on their trucks and not report them when they arrive.
The fines simply add costs into any UK goods that people buy as private companies require more security.
Perhaps the next election is the chance to tell potential MPs to spend money on policing our borders instead of landing costs on businesses and the UK consumers.
But if you really believe that people are deported by groups of burly guards you are mistaken. That only happens to a small number of illegal immigrants with serious convictions unless they claim the deportation breaches their human rights.
We are a bit of a mess as a nation with regards to our borders.
You are so boring.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Dozens of people enter the UK via lorries, trucks, small boats every day. Once they have arrived they can claim asylum if their lives are at risk in their homeland. If they are not able to claim asylum, usually because they come from a non EU country but their lives are not at risk in their own country, so they have no right in the UK, they are given money to return home using public transport. As soon as they leave the police station they skip off to hide in one of the UKs cities. We actually have no idea how many of these people are in the UK. In an attempt to stop the numbers of people entering the country without having to increase the spend on paying to police the borders properly, the Govt simply landed a fine system on transport operators who brought illegal immigrants into the UK, most unwittingly some possibly for payment. This lead to designs of lorries changing and more checks by drivers, but the people trying to get to the UK are determined and will bypass any measures, leaving transport operators no chance but to ignore immigrants who get in on their trucks and not report them when they arrive. The fines simply add costs into any UK goods that people buy as private companies require more security. Perhaps the next election is the chance to tell potential MPs to spend money on policing our borders instead of landing costs on businesses and the UK consumers. But if you really believe that people are deported by groups of burly guards you are mistaken. That only happens to a small number of illegal immigrants with serious convictions unless they claim the deportation breaches their human rights. We are a bit of a mess as a nation with regards to our borders.[/p][/quote]You are so boring. Youlikemyjugs
  • Score: -6

12:06pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Fairfax Aches says...

How do we know he was an illegal immigrant? Maybe he was just stingy. Mind you, considering the prices going between London-Brighton by train I may soon be looking at trying that option.
How do we know he was an illegal immigrant? Maybe he was just stingy. Mind you, considering the prices going between London-Brighton by train I may soon be looking at trying that option. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 2

12:59pm Fri 15 Aug 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Firstly this driver is complaining that he's possibly going to be fined. He says he's a new business - going for two and a half years, so not new.

Does this mean for two and a half years he's been regularly bringing in illegal immigrants because he hasn't got all his drivers to check their coaches carefully before leaving foreign shores?

When illegal immigrants come to the UK they do not claim benefits immediately because they are illegal. They frequently find someone of their own nationality in a business and then get paid peanuts to live and work like a slave for them - often for years. This also needs stopping.

There is a severe problem and a lot of it has been created by the UK and USA invading countries and creating the biggest mess ever. The UK and USA took £billions from Iraq - that was an illegal war in the first place and they never should have invaded. B' Liar has never been taken to task for this, he should have been arrested and put on trial in the Hague for war crimes - instead, because of how corrupt he is - those that put him in that position made him the middle east peave envoy - quite laughable if it wasn't for the serious nature of the matter and the fact that thousands more are dying because of all this corruption.
Firstly this driver is complaining that he's possibly going to be fined. He says he's a new business - going for two and a half years, so not new. Does this mean for two and a half years he's been regularly bringing in illegal immigrants because he hasn't got all his drivers to check their coaches carefully before leaving foreign shores? When illegal immigrants come to the UK they do not claim benefits immediately because they are illegal. They frequently find someone of their own nationality in a business and then get paid peanuts to live and work like a slave for them - often for years. This also needs stopping. There is a severe problem and a lot of it has been created by the UK and USA invading countries and creating the biggest mess ever. The UK and USA took £billions from Iraq - that was an illegal war in the first place and they never should have invaded. B' Liar has never been taken to task for this, he should have been arrested and put on trial in the Hague for war crimes - instead, because of how corrupt he is - those that put him in that position made him the middle east peave envoy - quite laughable if it wasn't for the serious nature of the matter and the fact that thousands more are dying because of all this corruption. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: -1

1:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

9 of us says...

I saw this on the news a few years back. Same guy i think and when questionned he has told the authorities he was being "kidnapped and held hostage by the Gary Gang.
I saw this on the news a few years back. Same guy i think and when questionned he has told the authorities he was being "kidnapped and held hostage by the Gary Gang. 9 of us
  • Score: 0

1:49pm Fri 15 Aug 14

RootyRoo says...

This driver should be rewarded £2000, not fined. At least he contacted the police rather than let him free to potentially claim thousands of pounds in benefits. This man is an illegal immigrant and deserves nothing from the taxpayers of the UK.
This driver should be rewarded £2000, not fined. At least he contacted the police rather than let him free to potentially claim thousands of pounds in benefits. This man is an illegal immigrant and deserves nothing from the taxpayers of the UK. RootyRoo
  • Score: 6

1:59pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

The fines for having illegal immigrants on the vehicle are also there to punish those who intentionally bring them in.

Who is to say he hadn't brought him in on purpose?
The fines for having illegal immigrants on the vehicle are also there to punish those who intentionally bring them in. Who is to say he hadn't brought him in on purpose? notslimjim
  • Score: -1

2:04pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
How do we know he was an illegal immigrant? Maybe he was just stingy. Mind you, considering the prices going between London-Brighton by train I may soon be looking at trying that option.
He was proven not to have passed through immigration in the accepted manner. That makes his entry into the country illegal.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: How do we know he was an illegal immigrant? Maybe he was just stingy. Mind you, considering the prices going between London-Brighton by train I may soon be looking at trying that option.[/p][/quote]He was proven not to have passed through immigration in the accepted manner. That makes his entry into the country illegal. notslimjim
  • Score: 1

3:29pm Fri 15 Aug 14

wendy-uk says...

What worries me is that this guy has been running a coach business for over 2 years and yet says he is "shocked" that he might be fined. My husband is a coach driver and every coach driver knows (or should know) that bringing an illegal immigrant into the UK on your vehicle, even unwittingly, has the potential to land you with a huge fine. If this man doesn't know this, then what else doesn't he know? Perhaps he should read up on all the laws covering his type of business?
What worries me is that this guy has been running a coach business for over 2 years and yet says he is "shocked" that he might be fined. My husband is a coach driver and every coach driver knows (or should know) that bringing an illegal immigrant into the UK on your vehicle, even unwittingly, has the potential to land you with a huge fine. If this man doesn't know this, then what else doesn't he know? Perhaps he should read up on all the laws covering his type of business? wendy-uk
  • Score: 3

4:42pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

If the immigrant were 'below' the rear axle all that way, surely there wouldn't have been that much left of him to run away?
If the immigrant were 'below' the rear axle all that way, surely there wouldn't have been that much left of him to run away? notslimjim
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Fri 15 Aug 14

firemanste says...

leftysmellbags wrote:
I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.
moron,moron,moron
[quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.[/p][/quote]moron,moron,moron firemanste
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8:25pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

firemanste wrote:
leftysmellbags wrote:
I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.
moron,moron,moron
Have you considered the point he made?

The law is there for a reason, to prevent people smuggling, so drivers are meant to check their own vehicles.

The immigrant might easily have paid the driver - we don't know, but to call someone a moron for suggesting it isn't the way.
[quote][p][bold]firemanste[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leftysmellbags[/bold] wrote: I hope he does get fined and then maybe he will do his duty and check his vehicle properly. In fact how do we know he was not paid to transport this illegal.[/p][/quote]moron,moron,moron[/p][/quote]Have you considered the point he made? The law is there for a reason, to prevent people smuggling, so drivers are meant to check their own vehicles. The immigrant might easily have paid the driver - we don't know, but to call someone a moron for suggesting it isn't the way. notslimjim
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8:29pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

By the reports from Calais this is a regular occurrence. WHY !

All Vehicles with enough ground clearance to hide a immigrant should be made to drive through a metre of water or drive over cameras to see if anything is there.

I would have thought it was pretty difficult to get under a Coach.
By the reports from Calais this is a regular occurrence. WHY ! All Vehicles with enough ground clearance to hide a immigrant should be made to drive through a metre of water or drive over cameras to see if anything is there. I would have thought it was pretty difficult to get under a Coach. Nosfaratu
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10:20am Sat 16 Aug 14

M.Q.H. says...

Are the ferry operators exempt? Pretty sure based on the way the fine system has been implemented against hauliers and coach operators the ferry operator could be deemed an accessory?
Are the ferry operators exempt? Pretty sure based on the way the fine system has been implemented against hauliers and coach operators the ferry operator could be deemed an accessory? M.Q.H.
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10:42am Sat 16 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

M.Q.H. wrote:
Are the ferry operators exempt? Pretty sure based on the way the fine system has been implemented against hauliers and coach operators the ferry operator could be deemed an accessory?
If the immigrant is brought on by a driver, then the ferry company isn't involved.
[quote][p][bold]M.Q.H.[/bold] wrote: Are the ferry operators exempt? Pretty sure based on the way the fine system has been implemented against hauliers and coach operators the ferry operator could be deemed an accessory?[/p][/quote]If the immigrant is brought on by a driver, then the ferry company isn't involved. notslimjim
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2:29pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Logicsays says...

Fight_Back wrote:
So the driver did the correct thing and contacted the police and for his trouble he could be fined ? I'd suggest to the driver that in future he just stops and lets the illegal immigrant run away. The phrase "the law is an ase" was never truer.
And the Police are the ase (sic) hole. They are so good they pursue the driver for this and then get upset when the public distrust them and refuse to get involved or help.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: So the driver did the correct thing and contacted the police and for his trouble he could be fined ? I'd suggest to the driver that in future he just stops and lets the illegal immigrant run away. The phrase "the law is an ase" was never truer.[/p][/quote]And the Police are the ase (sic) hole. They are so good they pursue the driver for this and then get upset when the public distrust them and refuse to get involved or help. Logicsays
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