Campaign launched to get justice for two dead firefighters

Campaign launched to get justice for two dead firefighters

Marlie Farm

Brian Wembridge, left, and Geoff Wicker

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A campaign for justice for the families of two firefighters who were killed while tackling a blaze at a fireworks factory has been launched.

Justice for Marlie Farm firefighters - a new campaign launched by the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) - has launched a campaign for justice for firefighters Brian Wembridge and Geoff Wicker, who died at a fireworks factory fire at Marlie Farm, near Lewes, in 2006.

After a long running court case, East Sussex Fire and Rescue Service were ordered to pay compensation to the families of the firefighters who died and to firefighters who were seriously injured after being found guilty of a number of failings.

The FBU says East Sussex Fire and Rescue Service have so far refused to honour the court’s decision.

FBU general secretary Matt Wrack said: "Geoff and Brian dedicated their lives to the fire service and their families and our seriously injured members deserve much better.

“The way East Sussex Fire and Rescue have behaved is shameful but they still do not seem to get the message.

“I implore the public to get behind the campaign in order to get justice for Geoff and Brian.”

ESFRS said the latest court order was to allow an appeal by Zurich and it was “wrong to say ESFRS refused to honour the court’s decision” as the legal process was being observed.

It added the Court of Appeal dates were not set by the service.

A spokeswoman said: “This matter is in the hands of the legal teams for the insurers Zurich and the claimants.”

Sign the petition at: www.justiceforfirefighters.co.uk

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2:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

They already have 'justice'..

They just need someone to enforce the payment.

I'd love to know why the money is being withheld.
They already have 'justice'.. They just need someone to enforce the payment. I'd love to know why the money is being withheld. notslimjim
  • Score: 5

2:43pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Ambo Guy says...

Shame on ESF&R for not paying up. Des Pritchard should be held to account for this.
Shame on ESF&R for not paying up. Des Pritchard should be held to account for this. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 13

2:50pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

It seems that several payments are being withheld - what on Earth is going on at East Sussex Fire and Rescue Service ??
It seems that several payments are being withheld - what on Earth is going on at East Sussex Fire and Rescue Service ?? notslimjim
  • Score: 6

3:58pm Fri 15 Aug 14

BeeJam says...

It is not ESFRS refusing to pay - they have insurance which covers things like death of staff whilst on duty, public liability and so on, and the insurance company - Zurich - are the ones appealing and trying all they can to avoid paying out. The anger here should be directed at the scumbags at Zurich not the fire service.
It is not ESFRS refusing to pay - they have insurance which covers things like death of staff whilst on duty, public liability and so on, and the insurance company - Zurich - are the ones appealing and trying all they can to avoid paying out. The anger here should be directed at the scumbags at Zurich not the fire service. BeeJam
  • Score: 3

4:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

BeeJam wrote:
It is not ESFRS refusing to pay - they have insurance which covers things like death of staff whilst on duty, public liability and so on, and the insurance company - Zurich - are the ones appealing and trying all they can to avoid paying out. The anger here should be directed at the scumbags at Zurich not the fire service.
The ruling wasn't against Zurich, though. It's against ESFRS.

If their insurers are refusing to pay out, then it is up to ESFRS to honour the debt.
[quote][p][bold]BeeJam[/bold] wrote: It is not ESFRS refusing to pay - they have insurance which covers things like death of staff whilst on duty, public liability and so on, and the insurance company - Zurich - are the ones appealing and trying all they can to avoid paying out. The anger here should be directed at the scumbags at Zurich not the fire service.[/p][/quote]The ruling wasn't against Zurich, though. It's against ESFRS. If their insurers are refusing to pay out, then it is up to ESFRS to honour the debt. notslimjim
  • Score: 4

10:55pm Fri 15 Aug 14

well i never says...

ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.
ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds. well i never
  • Score: 0

11:48pm Fri 15 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

well i never wrote:
ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.
They are using their insurers in an attempt to wriggle out of paying the money owed to all these people.
[quote][p][bold]well i never[/bold] wrote: ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.[/p][/quote]They are using their insurers in an attempt to wriggle out of paying the money owed to all these people. notslimjim
  • Score: 0

12:49am Sat 16 Aug 14

Motorcyclist says...

notslimjim wrote:
well i never wrote:
ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.
They are using their insurers in an attempt to wriggle out of paying the money owed to all these people.
What is very sad is that ESFRS have no control over their insurers. The compensation needs to come from Zurich. Unfortunately, the fire services and major insurers have historical links and vested interests. The insurers subsidise the fire services with sponsored training and conferences etc.

The insurers receive a massive premium to cover ESFRS for public and employer's liability. They are not inteested in the needs of the bereaved. They want to retain their excessive profits.

Zurich will lose their appeal. They are trying to argue that they have no obligation to the families of these brave dead men.

Prichard and ESFRA could decide to change their insurer to one that is more ethical when things go wrong.
[quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]well i never[/bold] wrote: ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.[/p][/quote]They are using their insurers in an attempt to wriggle out of paying the money owed to all these people.[/p][/quote]What is very sad is that ESFRS have no control over their insurers. The compensation needs to come from Zurich. Unfortunately, the fire services and major insurers have historical links and vested interests. The insurers subsidise the fire services with sponsored training and conferences etc. The insurers receive a massive premium to cover ESFRS for public and employer's liability. They are not inteested in the needs of the bereaved. They want to retain their excessive profits. Zurich will lose their appeal. They are trying to argue that they have no obligation to the families of these brave dead men. Prichard and ESFRA could decide to change their insurer to one that is more ethical when things go wrong. Motorcyclist
  • Score: 1

10:31am Sat 16 Aug 14

notslimjim says...

Motorcyclist wrote:
notslimjim wrote:
well i never wrote:
ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.
They are using their insurers in an attempt to wriggle out of paying the money owed to all these people.
What is very sad is that ESFRS have no control over their insurers. The compensation needs to come from Zurich. Unfortunately, the fire services and major insurers have historical links and vested interests. The insurers subsidise the fire services with sponsored training and conferences etc.

The insurers receive a massive premium to cover ESFRS for public and employer's liability. They are not inteested in the needs of the bereaved. They want to retain their excessive profits.

Zurich will lose their appeal. They are trying to argue that they have no obligation to the families of these brave dead men.

Prichard and ESFRA could decide to change their insurer to one that is more ethical when things go wrong.
Actually, Zurich would be correct in claiming that they have no obligation to the families, and the complaint isn't about Zurich.

Zurich's obligation is to the company who insured itself with them. That company ESFRS is now requiring Zurich to fulfill its obligations.

It does not alter the fact that the debt which ESFRS incurred is still to be paid, and should be paid pending any legal action between insured and insurer.
[quote][p][bold]Motorcyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notslimjim[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]well i never[/bold] wrote: ESF & R are responsible for making the payments and but have no control over the matter. their insurers Zurich however will hang it out as long as they can and use every trick in the book and even invent a few more to try and reduce any payments, but then that is the name of their game. This is normal commercial practise. sadly its the family who must continue to suffer. ESF&R might feel the need to erect some form of memorial to the memory of these two men, public subscription would no doubt assist in raising the nessacary funds.[/p][/quote]They are using their insurers in an attempt to wriggle out of paying the money owed to all these people.[/p][/quote]What is very sad is that ESFRS have no control over their insurers. The compensation needs to come from Zurich. Unfortunately, the fire services and major insurers have historical links and vested interests. The insurers subsidise the fire services with sponsored training and conferences etc. The insurers receive a massive premium to cover ESFRS for public and employer's liability. They are not inteested in the needs of the bereaved. They want to retain their excessive profits. Zurich will lose their appeal. They are trying to argue that they have no obligation to the families of these brave dead men. Prichard and ESFRA could decide to change their insurer to one that is more ethical when things go wrong.[/p][/quote]Actually, Zurich would be correct in claiming that they have no obligation to the families, and the complaint isn't about Zurich. Zurich's obligation is to the company who insured itself with them. That company ESFRS is now requiring Zurich to fulfill its obligations. It does not alter the fact that the debt which ESFRS incurred is still to be paid, and should be paid pending any legal action between insured and insurer. notslimjim
  • Score: -1

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