Norman Baker MP wants changes to ring road in Newhaven

Norman Baker MP

Norman Baker MP

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An MP and former transport minister wants an overhaul of links to a port town.

Liberal Democrat Norman Baker has called on East Sussex County Council to alter the ring road around Newhaven which he has described as the “worst planning mistake” to ever befall the town centre.

Mr Baker, a transport under secretary between 2010 and 2013, said the town had been in a “downward spiral” since the ring road’s creation.

Mr Baker wants North Way to be made two-way and South Way to be made two-way and reduced to a local access road to stop heavy vehicles “pounding” past houses to loosen what he claims is a “noose” effect around the town centre.

County council officials are assessing possible improvements but warn changes have to be “carefully considered”.

They are looking into making North Way a two-way street and “downgrading” South Way to reduce the level of traffic using it.

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2:21pm Sat 30 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it. HJarrs
  • Score: -11

3:45pm Sat 30 Aug 14

qm says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
. . . . until the green snots pervaded their bile and "we live with the consequences" . . . . . .
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]. . . . until the green snots pervaded their bile and "we live with the consequences" . . . . . . qm
  • Score: 14

5:30pm Sat 30 Aug 14

her professional says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
B & H wouldn't have escaped if Argus bloggers had carried the day; we would have had a six lane motorway depositing cars into a huge free multi storey in Victoria Gardens/Old Steine, and a further east west motorway ploughing across the city through the North Laine and Kemp Town. Crawley would have looked like a garden city in comparison.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]B & H wouldn't have escaped if Argus bloggers had carried the day; we would have had a six lane motorway depositing cars into a huge free multi storey in Victoria Gardens/Old Steine, and a further east west motorway ploughing across the city through the North Laine and Kemp Town. Crawley would have looked like a garden city in comparison. her professional
  • Score: -11

6:13pm Sat 30 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
NO!!!!!

They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore.

They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses.

They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers.

They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is.

Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects.

Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove!

Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]NO!!!!! They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore. They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses. They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers. They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is. Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects. Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove! Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey! G Wiley
  • Score: 19

9:51pm Sat 30 Aug 14

yatman says...

Bit late for him to start pushing for this when he is nearly out of a job
Bit late for him to start pushing for this when he is nearly out of a job yatman
  • Score: -1

8:41am Sun 31 Aug 14

Nosfaratu says...

What town center ? Newhaven's town center is now on the east side of the bridge. The old town should be demolished and the A259 built straight through.
Alternatively a Flyover built to avoid the bridge and the town completely.
What Mr Baker is suggesting is just more polishing a t..d.
What town center ? Newhaven's town center is now on the east side of the bridge. The old town should be demolished and the A259 built straight through. Alternatively a Flyover built to avoid the bridge and the town completely. What Mr Baker is suggesting is just more polishing a t..d. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -3

8:43am Sun 31 Aug 14

Nikski says...

yatman wrote:
Bit late for him to start pushing for this when he is nearly out of a job
Don't think so....I'm not a Lib Dem but Norm is a very good local MP and has a lot of support in the constituency. Who else, UKIP?
Haha....what a bunch of clowns they are!
[quote][p][bold]yatman[/bold] wrote: Bit late for him to start pushing for this when he is nearly out of a job[/p][/quote]Don't think so....I'm not a Lib Dem but Norm is a very good local MP and has a lot of support in the constituency. Who else, UKIP? Haha....what a bunch of clowns they are! Nikski
  • Score: 0

12:26pm Sun 31 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
NO!!!!!

They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore.

They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses.

They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers.

They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is.

Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects.

Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove!

Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey!
Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]NO!!!!! They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore. They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses. They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers. They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is. Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects. Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove! Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey![/p][/quote]Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

1:53pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Nikski says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
What town center ? Newhaven's town center is now on the east side of the bridge. The old town should be demolished and the A259 built straight through.
Alternatively a Flyover built to avoid the bridge and the town completely.
What Mr Baker is suggesting is just more polishing a t..d.
Talking of which, are you the polished or unpolished variety?
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: What town center ? Newhaven's town center is now on the east side of the bridge. The old town should be demolished and the A259 built straight through. Alternatively a Flyover built to avoid the bridge and the town completely. What Mr Baker is suggesting is just more polishing a t..d.[/p][/quote]Talking of which, are you the polished or unpolished variety? Nikski
  • Score: 0

4:40pm Sun 31 Aug 14

G Wiley says...

HJarrs wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
NO!!!!!

They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore.

They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses.

They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers.

They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is.

Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects.

Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove!

Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey!
Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.
And same old naive, irresponsible, ideological, incompetence from the watermelon greens - the only solution to any transport situation from them is to encourage buses and prioritise over other transport, encourage cycling and allow them to ignore all traffic regulations, and discourage private transport by forcing them to sit in queues all day.

Even though, in many situations, private transport (such as cars) is the best solution to minimise emissions. However as none of the greens seem to own cars or drive they continue to blindly follow their simplistic attack strategy.

Get some of the other authorities to come to the city and see the complete pigs-ear the green have achieved with the ignored 20mph zones, the empty 2m wide cycle lanes, and the city centre choked by queues of Brighton & Hove buses - all encouraged by the anti-car zealots headed up by dozey Davey.

How enlightening it is to see what other, more creative, progressive, intelligent, pragmatic, authorities do to solve transport issues - providing real alternatives for motorists - such as proper park-and-ride in Brighton & Hove and/or encouraging use of public transport.

And as usual a pathetic response from the green party amateur PR fanboy - you really do the party no good at all - please keep up the good work - only 8 months of this disastrous experiment of having a leaderless party, run by clueless activists, each pursuing their own personal agendas.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]NO!!!!! They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore. They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses. They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers. They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is. Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects. Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove! Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey![/p][/quote]Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.[/p][/quote]And same old naive, irresponsible, ideological, incompetence from the watermelon greens - the only solution to any transport situation from them is to encourage buses and prioritise over other transport, encourage cycling and allow them to ignore all traffic regulations, and discourage private transport by forcing them to sit in queues all day. Even though, in many situations, private transport (such as cars) is the best solution to minimise emissions. However as none of the greens seem to own cars or drive they continue to blindly follow their simplistic attack strategy. Get some of the other authorities to come to the city and see the complete pigs-ear the green have achieved with the ignored 20mph zones, the empty 2m wide cycle lanes, and the city centre choked by queues of Brighton & Hove buses - all encouraged by the anti-car zealots headed up by dozey Davey. How enlightening it is to see what other, more creative, progressive, intelligent, pragmatic, authorities do to solve transport issues - providing real alternatives for motorists - such as proper park-and-ride in Brighton & Hove and/or encouraging use of public transport. And as usual a pathetic response from the green party amateur PR fanboy - you really do the party no good at all - please keep up the good work - only 8 months of this disastrous experiment of having a leaderless party, run by clueless activists, each pursuing their own personal agendas. G Wiley
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Sun 31 Aug 14

HJarrs says...

G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
NO!!!!!

They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore.

They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses.

They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers.

They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is.

Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects.

Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove!

Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey!
Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.
And same old naive, irresponsible, ideological, incompetence from the watermelon greens - the only solution to any transport situation from them is to encourage buses and prioritise over other transport, encourage cycling and allow them to ignore all traffic regulations, and discourage private transport by forcing them to sit in queues all day.

Even though, in many situations, private transport (such as cars) is the best solution to minimise emissions. However as none of the greens seem to own cars or drive they continue to blindly follow their simplistic attack strategy.

Get some of the other authorities to come to the city and see the complete pigs-ear the green have achieved with the ignored 20mph zones, the empty 2m wide cycle lanes, and the city centre choked by queues of Brighton & Hove buses - all encouraged by the anti-car zealots headed up by dozey Davey.

How enlightening it is to see what other, more creative, progressive, intelligent, pragmatic, authorities do to solve transport issues - providing real alternatives for motorists - such as proper park-and-ride in Brighton & Hove and/or encouraging use of public transport.

And as usual a pathetic response from the green party amateur PR fanboy - you really do the party no good at all - please keep up the good work - only 8 months of this disastrous experiment of having a leaderless party, run by clueless activists, each pursuing their own personal agendas.
Newhaven has been blighted by obsession with the car. That is its problem and how on earth a park and for Brighton will help is a mystery. The road network for you car obsessives and it has been disastrous. Time to roll back the ring road and link harbour to town centre.

By the way, other authorities have come to B&H and some have adopted features of the cycle routes. Their main problem is they dare not take on you moaning old miseries unlike the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]NO!!!!! They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore. They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses. They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers. They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is. Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects. Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove! Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey![/p][/quote]Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.[/p][/quote]And same old naive, irresponsible, ideological, incompetence from the watermelon greens - the only solution to any transport situation from them is to encourage buses and prioritise over other transport, encourage cycling and allow them to ignore all traffic regulations, and discourage private transport by forcing them to sit in queues all day. Even though, in many situations, private transport (such as cars) is the best solution to minimise emissions. However as none of the greens seem to own cars or drive they continue to blindly follow their simplistic attack strategy. Get some of the other authorities to come to the city and see the complete pigs-ear the green have achieved with the ignored 20mph zones, the empty 2m wide cycle lanes, and the city centre choked by queues of Brighton & Hove buses - all encouraged by the anti-car zealots headed up by dozey Davey. How enlightening it is to see what other, more creative, progressive, intelligent, pragmatic, authorities do to solve transport issues - providing real alternatives for motorists - such as proper park-and-ride in Brighton & Hove and/or encouraging use of public transport. And as usual a pathetic response from the green party amateur PR fanboy - you really do the party no good at all - please keep up the good work - only 8 months of this disastrous experiment of having a leaderless party, run by clueless activists, each pursuing their own personal agendas.[/p][/quote]Newhaven has been blighted by obsession with the car. That is its problem and how on earth a park and for Brighton will help is a mystery. The road network for you car obsessives and it has been disastrous. Time to roll back the ring road and link harbour to town centre. By the way, other authorities have come to B&H and some have adopted features of the cycle routes. Their main problem is they dare not take on you moaning old miseries unlike the Greens. HJarrs
  • Score: -2

7:13pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Nikski says...

G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
G Wiley wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.
NO!!!!!

They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore.

They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses.

They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers.

They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is.

Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects.

Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove!

Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey!
Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.
And same old naive, irresponsible, ideological, incompetence from the watermelon greens - the only solution to any transport situation from them is to encourage buses and prioritise over other transport, encourage cycling and allow them to ignore all traffic regulations, and discourage private transport by forcing them to sit in queues all day.

Even though, in many situations, private transport (such as cars) is the best solution to minimise emissions. However as none of the greens seem to own cars or drive they continue to blindly follow their simplistic attack strategy.

Get some of the other authorities to come to the city and see the complete pigs-ear the green have achieved with the ignored 20mph zones, the empty 2m wide cycle lanes, and the city centre choked by queues of Brighton & Hove buses - all encouraged by the anti-car zealots headed up by dozey Davey.

How enlightening it is to see what other, more creative, progressive, intelligent, pragmatic, authorities do to solve transport issues - providing real alternatives for motorists - such as proper park-and-ride in Brighton & Hove and/or encouraging use of public transport.

And as usual a pathetic response from the green party amateur PR fanboy - you really do the party no good at all - please keep up the good work - only 8 months of this disastrous experiment of having a leaderless party, run by clueless activists, each pursuing their own personal agendas.
Yawn
[quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G Wiley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Baker is quite correct, the ring road has throttled the town centre for the benefit of those passing through. Sadly, ring roads all over the country where introduced in support of the great car society. Towns and cities that had grown organically were carved up by the planners and we live with the consequences. B&H had a narrow escape from the worst of it.[/p][/quote]NO!!!!! They'll end up making all dual carriage-ways into singles with contra-flow cycle lanes, bus lanes and 20 mph limits that everyone will ignore. They'll remove parking spaces by putting in shared rubbish and recycling bins that no one uses. They'll re-route money that was destined for road repairs into gender-neutral toilets and priority encampments for travellers. They'll increase pollution levels with queues of cars trying to get from Saltdean to Seaford and then claim what a wonderful success it is. Finally they'll want to increase council tax at far more than anyone else to pay for their vanity projects. Don't listen to them - they are evil misguided watermelons who are desperate to find a new location to mismanage as they are about to be evicted from Brighton & Hove! Make sure you get proper professional traffic planners involved - and definitely don't listen to anti-car pro-bike Davey![/p][/quote]Yawn. No progress for Newhaven if it was up to you then.[/p][/quote]And same old naive, irresponsible, ideological, incompetence from the watermelon greens - the only solution to any transport situation from them is to encourage buses and prioritise over other transport, encourage cycling and allow them to ignore all traffic regulations, and discourage private transport by forcing them to sit in queues all day. Even though, in many situations, private transport (such as cars) is the best solution to minimise emissions. However as none of the greens seem to own cars or drive they continue to blindly follow their simplistic attack strategy. Get some of the other authorities to come to the city and see the complete pigs-ear the green have achieved with the ignored 20mph zones, the empty 2m wide cycle lanes, and the city centre choked by queues of Brighton & Hove buses - all encouraged by the anti-car zealots headed up by dozey Davey. How enlightening it is to see what other, more creative, progressive, intelligent, pragmatic, authorities do to solve transport issues - providing real alternatives for motorists - such as proper park-and-ride in Brighton & Hove and/or encouraging use of public transport. And as usual a pathetic response from the green party amateur PR fanboy - you really do the party no good at all - please keep up the good work - only 8 months of this disastrous experiment of having a leaderless party, run by clueless activists, each pursuing their own personal agendas.[/p][/quote]Yawn Nikski
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