Popular nightclub loses licence after complaints about noise and anti-social behaviour

CuBar in Preston Street, Brighton, has been accused of ‘harming residents’

CuBar in Preston Street, Brighton, has been accused of ‘harming residents’

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A POPULAR bar and nightclub will close after calls from an MP and council leader to revoke its licence.

CuBar in Preston Street, Brighton, will shut after complaints about late-night noise and antisocial behaviour.

MP for Brighton Pavilion Caroline Lucas and Brighton and Hove City Council leader Jason Kitcat were the latest people to write to licensing chiefs in a bid to have the venue’s licence revoked.

The Green Party politicians’ letters highlighted complaints about noise nuisance, fights and “other undesirable behaviour”, which “harms residents’ quality of life”.

Shared licence Sophia Papanicolaou, tenant and manager at CuBar, said the venue did not have its own licence but instead shared a licence belonging to West Beach Hotel.

She attended a licence review hearing at Hove Town Hall yesterday to see how licensing bosses would deal with the complaints, bearing in mind the “complicated nature of the shared licence with the hotel”.

But during the hearing a West Beach Hotel manager told Ms Papanicolaou she was being “kicked out” of the CuBar building regardless of the hearing’s outcome as it was being converted back to a private hotel bar.

Ms Papanicolaou, who only took over the venue last year, said complaints had been made “for years” to Genial Associates – the owners of West Beach Hotel.

She said: “We’re really disappointed because we’ve built the business up ourselves since taking over last year and discovered all these complaints that had been building up for years.”

Genial Associates declined to comment on the matter yesterday. A Brighton and Hove City Council spokeswoman said: “The panel has adjourned and will make a decision in the next five days.”

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7:17am Wed 3 Sep 14

rogerthefish says...

Used to be subtifuge ! Good venue, it's only a matter of time before they close most through music pollution, talking about night clubs, how is casa blanca still surviving ?
Used to be subtifuge ! Good venue, it's only a matter of time before they close most through music pollution, talking about night clubs, how is casa blanca still surviving ? rogerthefish
  • Score: 13

8:22am Wed 3 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them. NickBrt
  • Score: 66

8:28am Wed 3 Sep 14

hoveguyactually says...

I never thought I would find myself in agreement with La Lucas and the Greens, but noise pollution is a growing menace and a nightmare for anyone who has their life, and especially their sleep, ruined by it. I hope this will be a lesson to others who totally ignore the feelings of their neighbours with this form of anti-social behaviour.
I never thought I would find myself in agreement with La Lucas and the Greens, but noise pollution is a growing menace and a nightmare for anyone who has their life, and especially their sleep, ruined by it. I hope this will be a lesson to others who totally ignore the feelings of their neighbours with this form of anti-social behaviour. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 33

8:43am Wed 3 Sep 14

BlackRocker says...

rogerthefish wrote:
Used to be subtifuge ! Good venue, it's only a matter of time before they close most through music pollution, talking about night clubs, how is casa blanca still surviving ?
"subtifuge"?
[quote][p][bold]rogerthefish[/bold] wrote: Used to be subtifuge ! Good venue, it's only a matter of time before they close most through music pollution, talking about night clubs, how is casa blanca still surviving ?[/p][/quote]"subtifuge"? BlackRocker
  • Score: 1

9:10am Wed 3 Sep 14

Max Ripple says...

NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
And she doesn't even have to suffer it as she lives in Springfield Road. Nice big house well away from the Hanover Campus. "Live amongst all those nasty noisy dirty students, ooh no, not me, I'm far too precious for that. I'll just get them to vote for me at the next election and then they can bu**er off to where they came from for all I care".

But the way, anyone noticed that another Hanover pub, The Albion, is closing down and the freehold is up for sale? Enterprise Inns strikes again.
"Ideal for conversion to residential use" says the blurb.
Also something to do with the influx of students into our area. They don't use community pubs, do they? So the Albion will be converted into another great big student house and the problem just gets worse.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]And she doesn't even have to suffer it as she lives in Springfield Road. Nice big house well away from the Hanover Campus. "Live amongst all those nasty noisy dirty students, ooh no, not me, I'm far too precious for that. I'll just get them to vote for me at the next election and then they can bu**er off to where they came from for all I care". But the way, anyone noticed that another Hanover pub, The Albion, is closing down and the freehold is up for sale? Enterprise Inns strikes again. "Ideal for conversion to residential use" says the blurb. Also something to do with the influx of students into our area. They don't use community pubs, do they? So the Albion will be converted into another great big student house and the problem just gets worse. Max Ripple
  • Score: 19

9:10am Wed 3 Sep 14

her professional says...

NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
Students are not licensed as far as I know.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]Students are not licensed as far as I know. her professional
  • Score: 11

10:08am Wed 3 Sep 14

Man With No Name says...

If you want peace and quiet, move to Mile Oak or Hangleton, not city centre roads largely featuring pubs and clubs... (Not that I have ever been in this place)
If you want peace and quiet, move to Mile Oak or Hangleton, not city centre roads largely featuring pubs and clubs... (Not that I have ever been in this place) Man With No Name
  • Score: 16

10:18am Wed 3 Sep 14

Sophia86 says...

Hi everyone.
I would like to give you all the fuller picture.


I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers.
Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!)

The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame.

However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar.
These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out"

The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!)

When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence.
I took over unaware of the situation.
In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!)
This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building.

This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar.

No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance"
So at least you have heard the true story from me!

Kind regards
Sophia Papanicolaou
Unemployed Mother of two
Hi everyone. I would like to give you all the fuller picture. I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers. Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!) The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame. However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar. These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out" The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!) When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence. I took over unaware of the situation. In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!) This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building. This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar. No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance" So at least you have heard the true story from me! Kind regards Sophia Papanicolaou Unemployed Mother of two Sophia86
  • Score: 54

10:28am Wed 3 Sep 14

Bsxking1 says...

It's the middle of Brighton what do you expect if you want silence move to the country, get rid of the tree hugging party!!!
It's the middle of Brighton what do you expect if you want silence move to the country, get rid of the tree hugging party!!! Bsxking1
  • Score: 18

11:04am Wed 3 Sep 14

gheese77 says...

NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
Some students can be noisy and the environmental health dept has powers to deal with noise nuisance. I am not sure they damage communities though, remember todays students are tomorrows entrepreneurs and professionals. Brighton would not have such a thriving digital sector if we didn't have a university here.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]Some students can be noisy and the environmental health dept has powers to deal with noise nuisance. I am not sure they damage communities though, remember todays students are tomorrows entrepreneurs and professionals. Brighton would not have such a thriving digital sector if we didn't have a university here. gheese77
  • Score: -16

11:37am Wed 3 Sep 14

FC says...

"Unemployed Mother of two"

Slow clap for you, Sophia! Nice way to throw that in there...
"Unemployed Mother of two" Slow clap for you, Sophia! Nice way to throw that in there... FC
  • Score: -37

12:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

B_right_on says...

Preston street has always been full of bars and restaurants not mention the casino open all hours too!

This simply proves that the people that decide to live in one of Brighton's liveliest roads and complain about the noise are the exact type of vote the greens are chasing!

How can they take the licence away for noise complaints made over 2 years ago?

Anti business, anti tourist, anti motorist, anti hard working people! Pro what? Pro sad little no life people who sit in their flats all day writing to their mates in the Green Party!!
Preston street has always been full of bars and restaurants not mention the casino open all hours too! This simply proves that the people that decide to live in one of Brighton's liveliest roads and complain about the noise are the exact type of vote the greens are chasing! How can they take the licence away for noise complaints made over 2 years ago? Anti business, anti tourist, anti motorist, anti hard working people! Pro what? Pro sad little no life people who sit in their flats all day writing to their mates in the Green Party!! B_right_on
  • Score: 30

12:25pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Sophia86 says...

B_right_on wrote:
Preston street has always been full of bars and restaurants not mention the casino open all hours too!

This simply proves that the people that decide to live in one of Brighton's liveliest roads and complain about the noise are the exact type of vote the greens are chasing!

How can they take the licence away for noise complaints made over 2 years ago?

Anti business, anti tourist, anti motorist, anti hard working people! Pro what? Pro sad little no life people who sit in their flats all day writing to their mates in the Green Party!!
You hit the nail on the head there!
[quote][p][bold]B_right_on[/bold] wrote: Preston street has always been full of bars and restaurants not mention the casino open all hours too! This simply proves that the people that decide to live in one of Brighton's liveliest roads and complain about the noise are the exact type of vote the greens are chasing! How can they take the licence away for noise complaints made over 2 years ago? Anti business, anti tourist, anti motorist, anti hard working people! Pro what? Pro sad little no life people who sit in their flats all day writing to their mates in the Green Party!![/p][/quote]You hit the nail on the head there! Sophia86
  • Score: 19

2:01pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Nosfaratu says...

Sophia86 wrote:
Hi everyone.
I would like to give you all the fuller picture.


I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers.
Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!)

The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame.

However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar.
These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out"

The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!)

When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence.
I took over unaware of the situation.
In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!)
This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building.

This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar.

No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance"
So at least you have heard the true story from me!

Kind regards
Sophia Papanicolaou
Unemployed Mother of two
Lets hope someone reads this story and gives you a job Sophia
[quote][p][bold]Sophia86[/bold] wrote: Hi everyone. I would like to give you all the fuller picture. I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers. Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!) The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame. However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar. These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out" The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!) When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence. I took over unaware of the situation. In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!) This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building. This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar. No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance" So at least you have heard the true story from me! Kind regards Sophia Papanicolaou Unemployed Mother of two[/p][/quote]Lets hope someone reads this story and gives you a job Sophia Nosfaratu
  • Score: 0

2:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

sussexram40 says...

What's a DPS?
What's a DPS? sussexram40
  • Score: 8

3:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Nikski says...

Max Ripple wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
And she doesn't even have to suffer it as she lives in Springfield Road. Nice big house well away from the Hanover Campus. "Live amongst all those nasty noisy dirty students, ooh no, not me, I'm far too precious for that. I'll just get them to vote for me at the next election and then they can bu**er off to where they came from for all I care".

But the way, anyone noticed that another Hanover pub, The Albion, is closing down and the freehold is up for sale? Enterprise Inns strikes again.
"Ideal for conversion to residential use" says the blurb.
Also something to do with the influx of students into our area. They don't use community pubs, do they? So the Albion will be converted into another great big student house and the problem just gets worse.
Flake
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]And she doesn't even have to suffer it as she lives in Springfield Road. Nice big house well away from the Hanover Campus. "Live amongst all those nasty noisy dirty students, ooh no, not me, I'm far too precious for that. I'll just get them to vote for me at the next election and then they can bu**er off to where they came from for all I care". But the way, anyone noticed that another Hanover pub, The Albion, is closing down and the freehold is up for sale? Enterprise Inns strikes again. "Ideal for conversion to residential use" says the blurb. Also something to do with the influx of students into our area. They don't use community pubs, do they? So the Albion will be converted into another great big student house and the problem just gets worse.[/p][/quote]Flake Nikski
  • Score: -5

3:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Nikski says...

NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
My god, the record is well and truly stuck, it just goes on and on, repeating itself over and over again, click.......yawn
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]My god, the record is well and truly stuck, it just goes on and on, repeating itself over and over again, click.......yawn Nikski
  • Score: -16

3:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Brighton Bill says...

sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord. Brighton Bill
  • Score: 2

3:39pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Fight_Back says...

Nikski wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
My god, the record is well and truly stuck, it just goes on and on, repeating itself over and over again, click.......yawn
Much like the traveller problem that the council refuse to deal with.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]My god, the record is well and truly stuck, it just goes on and on, repeating itself over and over again, click.......yawn[/p][/quote]Much like the traveller problem that the council refuse to deal with. Fight_Back
  • Score: 14

3:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Fairfax Aches says...

Bout tiem dat rubish club got closed down it was boring wif the booze was to expensife dey were proper ripof prestan street is rubish and smels to.
Bout tiem dat rubish club got closed down it was boring wif the booze was to expensife dey were proper ripof prestan street is rubish and smels to. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -21

4:01pm Wed 3 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

Those of you who have been dismissive of commetns about students and their noise or played those impacts down try living next to a student house for a while and for the record, why SHOULD I move elsewhere, I like my house and i have lived here many years.
Those of you who have been dismissive of commetns about students and their noise or played those impacts down try living next to a student house for a while and for the record, why SHOULD I move elsewhere, I like my house and i have lived here many years. NickBrt
  • Score: 15

4:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

B_right_on says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
Bout tiem dat rubish club got closed down it was boring wif the booze was to expensife dey were proper ripof prestan street is rubish and smels to.
So boring that they managed to get their license taken away for being too lively? Illiterate numpty!
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: Bout tiem dat rubish club got closed down it was boring wif the booze was to expensife dey were proper ripof prestan street is rubish and smels to.[/p][/quote]So boring that they managed to get their license taken away for being too lively? Illiterate numpty! B_right_on
  • Score: 8

4:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

B_right_on says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.
Almost... It's actually Designated Premises Supervisor.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.[/p][/quote]Almost... It's actually Designated Premises Supervisor. B_right_on
  • Score: 7

4:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Brighton Bill says...

B_right_on wrote:
Brighton Bill wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.
Almost... It's actually Designated Premises Supervisor.
Yes you are so right, as soon as I put that I thought it is NOT Deputy, Cheers
[quote][p][bold]B_right_on[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.[/p][/quote]Almost... It's actually Designated Premises Supervisor.[/p][/quote]Yes you are so right, as soon as I put that I thought it is NOT Deputy, Cheers Brighton Bill
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Wide Bertha says...

Sophia86 wrote:
Hi everyone.
I would like to give you all the fuller picture.


I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers.
Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!)

The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame.

However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar.
These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out"

The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!)

When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence.
I took over unaware of the situation.
In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!)
This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building.

This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar.

No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance"
So at least you have heard the true story from me!

Kind regards
Sophia Papanicolaou
Unemployed Mother of two
did you not think to do some research beforehand ?
[quote][p][bold]Sophia86[/bold] wrote: Hi everyone. I would like to give you all the fuller picture. I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers. Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!) The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame. However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar. These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out" The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!) When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence. I took over unaware of the situation. In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!) This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building. This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar. No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance" So at least you have heard the true story from me! Kind regards Sophia Papanicolaou Unemployed Mother of two[/p][/quote]did you not think to do some research beforehand ? Wide Bertha
  • Score: 7

4:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Wide Bertha says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.
self praise is no recommendation
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]"Deputy Premises Supervisor" Brighton Bill, Camra "Pub of the Year" 3 x Winner + Twice Runner-Up Pub owner Landlord.[/p][/quote]self praise is no recommendation Wide Bertha
  • Score: -1

5:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

tez1959 says...

shut it down shut it all down bulldozer the whole lot of preston street stinks and a sh..hole of a place anyway along with other areas of brighton and hove
shut it down shut it all down bulldozer the whole lot of preston street stinks and a sh..hole of a place anyway along with other areas of brighton and hove tez1959
  • Score: -7

7:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

bug eye says...

NickBrt wrote:
Those of you who have been dismissive of commetns about students and their noise or played those impacts down try living next to a student house for a while and for the record, why SHOULD I move elsewhere, I like my house and i have lived here many years.
all landlords now in the 5 east brighton wards area letting to students or any sharers are licensed at huge cost and the council were supposed to provide extra noise patrol and rubbish collection that has not been the case. In fact in limiting the amount of shared homes has pushed up rents and enabled large multi national developers to build huge student blocks such a the coop unopposed.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Those of you who have been dismissive of commetns about students and their noise or played those impacts down try living next to a student house for a while and for the record, why SHOULD I move elsewhere, I like my house and i have lived here many years.[/p][/quote]all landlords now in the 5 east brighton wards area letting to students or any sharers are licensed at huge cost and the council were supposed to provide extra noise patrol and rubbish collection that has not been the case. In fact in limiting the amount of shared homes has pushed up rents and enabled large multi national developers to build huge student blocks such a the coop unopposed. bug eye
  • Score: 5

7:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Sophia86 says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
Sophia86 wrote:
Hi everyone.
I would like to give you all the fuller picture.


I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers.
Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!)

The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame.

However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar.
These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out"

The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!)

When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence.
I took over unaware of the situation.
In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!)
This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building.

This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar.

No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance"
So at least you have heard the true story from me!

Kind regards
Sophia Papanicolaou
Unemployed Mother of two
Lets hope someone reads this story and gives you a job Sophia
Many Thanks
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sophia86[/bold] wrote: Hi everyone. I would like to give you all the fuller picture. I attended a licence review hearing yesterday with the council, local residents, environmental health, west beach hotel managers and some lawyers. Genial Associates-the company that owns the property that we lease from decided not to turn up even though it was their premises licence being reviewed! (Shows how much care they have for the situation!) The main focus on the meeting was based around noise pollution and public nuisance. In which CuBar was pointed the blame. However the instances that were brought up as evidence were all prior to us taking on CuBar. These issues were from 2011. Unfortunately as I am the current DPS of the whole building and lessee of CuBar, Genial associates have told me to step down from the post of DPS and (in the words of the west beach hotel manager on Genial's behalf as they didn't turn up) they are "kicking us out" The chair and panel at the hearing were horrified at the way I personally was in their words "shot in the back" by Genial Associates. And feel I and CuBar have been used as a subterfuge. Genial think that by the removal of me and a rebranding of CuBar that the council will allow them to keep their licence. Having witnessed the disbelief on the panel and chair's faces when the hotel managers where pointing blame at me and the fact that the chairlady herself said "I'm shocked that you are still sitting there and haven't just walked out and slammed the door behind you". When I left the panel members, council and local residents all shook my hand and wished me all the best in the future and offered words of advice, I now have an inkling that Genial Associates will lose their entire premises licence! (I will be extremely pleased if they lose it, justice!) When we took over CuBar last year we had no idea of the extent of the current problems with the licence and how close the premises was to losing the licence. I took over unaware of the situation. In April I was approached by the west beach hotel manager who informed me that due to the DPS going on maternity leave I would be the only personal licence holder in the entire building (hotel, restaurant, nightclub and CuBar!) This means that I had no option but to sign the papers and become DPS as every licensed premises must have a DPS whom must be a personal licence holder. I was shocked that a nightclub and restaurant were operating without personal licences and then realised that I was now responsible for everything to do with licensable activities in the entire building. This has been an extremely stressful few weeks and in a way I am glad it's all over. However I am devastated that we no longer have CuBar. No doubt you will see more stories in the papers about how "CuBar is shut down due to antisocial behaviour and being a public nuisance" So at least you have heard the true story from me! Kind regards Sophia Papanicolaou Unemployed Mother of two[/p][/quote]Lets hope someone reads this story and gives you a job Sophia[/p][/quote]Many Thanks Sophia86
  • Score: -3

7:09pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Sophia86 says...

sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
A designated premises supervisor.
The main purpose of the designated premises supervisor (DPS) is to ensure that there is always one specified individual, among other Personal Licence holders employed at the venue, to take day-to-day responsibility for running the premises. This person will therefore occupy a pivotal position and will deal with the Responsible Authorities for problems associated with the premises licence.
In every licensed premises that is authorised for the sale by retail of alcohol, one personal licence holder must be specified as the DPS. A DPS does not have to be present at the licensed premises at all times but they must be easy to contact when not present.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]A designated premises supervisor. The main purpose of the designated premises supervisor (DPS) is to ensure that there is always one specified individual, among other Personal Licence holders employed at the venue, to take day-to-day responsibility for running the premises. This person will therefore occupy a pivotal position and will deal with the Responsible Authorities for problems associated with the premises licence. In every licensed premises that is authorised for the sale by retail of alcohol, one personal licence holder must be specified as the DPS. A DPS does not have to be present at the licensed premises at all times but they must be easy to contact when not present. Sophia86
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Thu 4 Sep 14

s&k says...

One down, 235 to go.
One down, 235 to go. s&k
  • Score: -2

3:21pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ghost bus driver says...

Sophia86 wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
A designated premises supervisor.
The main purpose of the designated premises supervisor (DPS) is to ensure that there is always one specified individual, among other Personal Licence holders employed at the venue, to take day-to-day responsibility for running the premises. This person will therefore occupy a pivotal position and will deal with the Responsible Authorities for problems associated with the premises licence.
In every licensed premises that is authorised for the sale by retail of alcohol, one personal licence holder must be specified as the DPS. A DPS does not have to be present at the licensed premises at all times but they must be easy to contact when not present.
Sophia I do wonder if this was the same individual who used to poke a microphone out of his window when the Engine Room was open.

I also hears of a group of anti-alcohol campaigners who used to deliberately move into flats near pubs then complain about the noise. Then they would move out again after the pub or venue had been closed. Whether they are still up to this sort of thing I can't say but it does seem like the sort of thing some people might do, and we all know what councils of ALL colours can be like dealing with things that only one person complains about rather than what lots of people don't like.
[quote][p][bold]Sophia86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]A designated premises supervisor. The main purpose of the designated premises supervisor (DPS) is to ensure that there is always one specified individual, among other Personal Licence holders employed at the venue, to take day-to-day responsibility for running the premises. This person will therefore occupy a pivotal position and will deal with the Responsible Authorities for problems associated with the premises licence. In every licensed premises that is authorised for the sale by retail of alcohol, one personal licence holder must be specified as the DPS. A DPS does not have to be present at the licensed premises at all times but they must be easy to contact when not present.[/p][/quote]Sophia I do wonder if this was the same individual who used to poke a microphone out of his window when the Engine Room was open. I also hears of a group of anti-alcohol campaigners who used to deliberately move into flats near pubs then complain about the noise. Then they would move out again after the pub or venue had been closed. Whether they are still up to this sort of thing I can't say but it does seem like the sort of thing some people might do, and we all know what councils of ALL colours can be like dealing with things that only one person complains about rather than what lots of people don't like. ghost bus driver
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Thu 4 Sep 14

conor-lee says...

its ridiculous, i went to cubar regularly and to be told that it was too loud and full of anti-social behavior is utterly preposterous! the staff and locals were very friendly and respectful to the residents. the regular bands that played weren't too loud nor late - the latest it opened was only 1am. Most nights it was shut by 12! nearly all of the complaints were made by one person who was friends with somebody high in the council. because that is true democracy in action.... having a small, hardworking, family business shut down causing the owners to lose thousands and employees to lose their incomes all because one person who didn't like a perfectly reasonable amount of noise on a road known for nightlife. here's an idea for that old man: a) dont live on a busy road in the city centre known for its nightlife and b) dont every night leave both of his windows wide open just so he can hear the noise that he wouldn't have otherwise heard. but hey, some people just have lonely sad lives; i feel sorry for him. its just yet another example of how this society is entirely about who you're friends with - not fairness or the truth.
its ridiculous, i went to cubar regularly and to be told that it was too loud and full of anti-social behavior is utterly preposterous! the staff and locals were very friendly and respectful to the residents. the regular bands that played weren't too loud nor late - the latest it opened was only 1am. Most nights it was shut by 12! nearly all of the complaints were made by one person who was friends with somebody high in the council. because that is true democracy in action.... having a small, hardworking, family business shut down causing the owners to lose thousands and employees to lose their incomes all because one person who didn't like a perfectly reasonable amount of noise on a road known for nightlife. here's an idea for that old man: a) dont live on a busy road in the city centre known for its nightlife and b) dont every night leave both of his windows wide open just so he can hear the noise that he wouldn't have otherwise heard. but hey, some people just have lonely sad lives; i feel sorry for him. its just yet another example of how this society is entirely about who you're friends with - not fairness or the truth. conor-lee
  • Score: 4

4:03pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Sophia86 says...

ghost bus driver wrote:
Sophia86 wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
What's a DPS?
A designated premises supervisor.
The main purpose of the designated premises supervisor (DPS) is to ensure that there is always one specified individual, among other Personal Licence holders employed at the venue, to take day-to-day responsibility for running the premises. This person will therefore occupy a pivotal position and will deal with the Responsible Authorities for problems associated with the premises licence.
In every licensed premises that is authorised for the sale by retail of alcohol, one personal licence holder must be specified as the DPS. A DPS does not have to be present at the licensed premises at all times but they must be easy to contact when not present.
Sophia I do wonder if this was the same individual who used to poke a microphone out of his window when the Engine Room was open.

I also hears of a group of anti-alcohol campaigners who used to deliberately move into flats near pubs then complain about the noise. Then they would move out again after the pub or venue had been closed. Whether they are still up to this sort of thing I can't say but it does seem like the sort of thing some people might do, and we all know what councils of ALL colours can be like dealing with things that only one person complains about rather than what lots of people don't like.
Yes it sounds like it is probably the same kind of people!
[quote][p][bold]ghost bus driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sophia86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: What's a DPS?[/p][/quote]A designated premises supervisor. The main purpose of the designated premises supervisor (DPS) is to ensure that there is always one specified individual, among other Personal Licence holders employed at the venue, to take day-to-day responsibility for running the premises. This person will therefore occupy a pivotal position and will deal with the Responsible Authorities for problems associated with the premises licence. In every licensed premises that is authorised for the sale by retail of alcohol, one personal licence holder must be specified as the DPS. A DPS does not have to be present at the licensed premises at all times but they must be easy to contact when not present.[/p][/quote]Sophia I do wonder if this was the same individual who used to poke a microphone out of his window when the Engine Room was open. I also hears of a group of anti-alcohol campaigners who used to deliberately move into flats near pubs then complain about the noise. Then they would move out again after the pub or venue had been closed. Whether they are still up to this sort of thing I can't say but it does seem like the sort of thing some people might do, and we all know what councils of ALL colours can be like dealing with things that only one person complains about rather than what lots of people don't like.[/p][/quote]Yes it sounds like it is probably the same kind of people! Sophia86
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Fri 5 Sep 14

B_right_on says...

s&k wrote:
One down, 235 to go.
Very glib! So basically you want to say go way to hundreds of thousands of visitors to Brighton? And how many staff would lose their jobs/livelihoods? That would equate to a good few thousand people. Let alone the impact on local and country wide services and businesses shutting down all licensed premises would have!

Brighton is a resort town, it always has been and I'd like to say always will be but if the greens stay in for any longer then their anti business policies will no doubt aim to put an end to the cities resort status! After all - which right minded business, bar, hotel or guest house owners would vote green after what harm they have done to the services industry here.

You can have socialist values which are compatible with business and resort services but to push your minority selfish views on legitimate business is pathetic and small minded.
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: One down, 235 to go.[/p][/quote]Very glib! So basically you want to say go way to hundreds of thousands of visitors to Brighton? And how many staff would lose their jobs/livelihoods? That would equate to a good few thousand people. Let alone the impact on local and country wide services and businesses shutting down all licensed premises would have! Brighton is a resort town, it always has been and I'd like to say always will be but if the greens stay in for any longer then their anti business policies will no doubt aim to put an end to the cities resort status! After all - which right minded business, bar, hotel or guest house owners would vote green after what harm they have done to the services industry here. You can have socialist values which are compatible with business and resort services but to push your minority selfish views on legitimate business is pathetic and small minded. B_right_on
  • Score: 5

9:15pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Levent says...

her professional wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
Students are not licensed as far as I know.
Above the law also aren't they?!!
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]Students are not licensed as far as I know.[/p][/quote]Above the law also aren't they?!! Levent
  • Score: -1

9:07am Mon 8 Sep 14

Valentinian says...

Nikski wrote:
NickBrt wrote:
How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.
My god, the record is well and truly stuck, it just goes on and on, repeating itself over and over again, click.......yawn
So does yours and the wimmin issues, lesbian rights and feminist points of view...try doing something with your hair, wear make up and get a push up bra...stop the man hating and whinging FFS plus....Feminists have got it all wrong. Us men don't 'see all women as sex objects'.
Just the pretty ones with nice T and A
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: How about the noise of your student friends in Hanover Caroline, how about the damage they do to communities, don't see you doing anything about them.[/p][/quote]My god, the record is well and truly stuck, it just goes on and on, repeating itself over and over again, click.......yawn[/p][/quote]So does yours and the wimmin issues, lesbian rights and feminist points of view...try doing something with your hair, wear make up and get a push up bra...stop the man hating and whinging FFS plus....Feminists have got it all wrong. Us men don't 'see all women as sex objects'. Just the pretty ones with nice T and A Valentinian
  • Score: 0
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