Mark Baldwin fined £505 for foul-mouthed rant after confronting Eastbourne cyclist Eddie Bell in Pevensey

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A road-rage motorist who hit national headlines after The Argus revealed footage of him swearing at a cyclist 25 times in just 35 seconds has been handed a fine.

Mark Baldwin, 60, was caught confronting Eastbourne cyclist Eddie Bell in an expletive-ridden video after an incident on Eastbourne Road in Pevensey on March 10.

The video shows Jaguar driver Mr Baldwin, of Longfield, Kent, and Mr Bell, 38, in a verbal altercation apparently about the car’s position on the road.

Mr Baldwin was recorded reeling out a series of insults and abuse to Mr Bell, who was filming on his iPhone, before the cyclist made off.

The driver voluntarily visited a police station following the video’s publication on the internet, including The Argus website, and appeared at Hastings’ Magistrate Court on August 19.

He pleaded guilty of using threatening or abusive words or behaviour with intent to cause the victim to think violence would be used against him and was ordered to pay a £505 fine, £50 victim surcharge and £85 costs. Sussex Police said the assault charge was dismissed.

Mr Bell told The Argus he hoped appearing in court would make him ‘think twice’ about his action in future.

He said: “I was quite happy with the amount of disruption, cost and worry this has caused him over the last six months.

“Hopefully he will think twice about his actions in future.”

The infamous video of the altercation between Mr Baldwin and Mr Bell has been watched by more than 65,000 people across the world since it was uploaded to video sharing website YouTube in March.

The Argus contacted Mr Baldwin for comment but did not receive a response by the time it went to press.

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6:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

We love Red Billy says...

Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.
Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please. We love Red Billy
  • Score: -34

6:52am Thu 4 Sep 14

nissancars says...

im a van driver and see daily confrontations between drivers and cyclists.if i make a mistake i acknowledge it and a simple sorry mouthed is often enough.road rage affects decent folk and once the red mist decends then its hard to calm down.we all have to use the roads and at least i feel safe where as a cyclist has no protection in an accident.apart from cyclists jumping red lights i do not have any problems with them
im a van driver and see daily confrontations between drivers and cyclists.if i make a mistake i acknowledge it and a simple sorry mouthed is often enough.road rage affects decent folk and once the red mist decends then its hard to calm down.we all have to use the roads and at least i feel safe where as a cyclist has no protection in an accident.apart from cyclists jumping red lights i do not have any problems with them nissancars
  • Score: 88

7:21am Thu 4 Sep 14

Ash Brighton says...

nissancars wrote:
im a van driver and see daily confrontations between drivers and cyclists.if i make a mistake i acknowledge it and a simple sorry mouthed is often enough.road rage affects decent folk and once the red mist decends then its hard to calm down.we all have to use the roads and at least i feel safe where as a cyclist has no protection in an accident.apart from cyclists jumping red lights i do not have any problems with them
I agree a sorry is often enough to defuse most situations. Unfortunately, a minority of road users do seem to go out looking for reactions. For example, I've had people jeering at me out of a vehicle before saying things like 'too slow' (despite averaging 20+ mph on the flat no problem and actually leaving that vehicle stuck in a queue of traffic while I filtered through).

Some people accuse cyclists of being confrontational and you've pretty much hit the nail on the head as to why. We have no protection in a crash (besides a helmet to protect out heads) whereas motorists have airbags and so on. Because of this, despite being a very level headed person, I will often immediately react in anger if a driver puts me in danger. I don't even mean the things I say, it's just a reflex to being placed in danger. I think some other cyclists are the same.

I do feel you on cyclist jumping lights... It's quite silly.
[quote][p][bold]nissancars[/bold] wrote: im a van driver and see daily confrontations between drivers and cyclists.if i make a mistake i acknowledge it and a simple sorry mouthed is often enough.road rage affects decent folk and once the red mist decends then its hard to calm down.we all have to use the roads and at least i feel safe where as a cyclist has no protection in an accident.apart from cyclists jumping red lights i do not have any problems with them[/p][/quote]I agree a sorry is often enough to defuse most situations. Unfortunately, a minority of road users do seem to go out looking for reactions. For example, I've had people jeering at me out of a vehicle before saying things like 'too slow' (despite averaging 20+ mph on the flat no problem and actually leaving that vehicle stuck in a queue of traffic while I filtered through). Some people accuse cyclists of being confrontational and you've pretty much hit the nail on the head as to why. We have no protection in a crash (besides a helmet to protect out heads) whereas motorists have airbags and so on. Because of this, despite being a very level headed person, I will often immediately react in anger if a driver puts me in danger. I don't even mean the things I say, it's just a reflex to being placed in danger. I think some other cyclists are the same. I do feel you on cyclist jumping lights... It's quite silly. Ash Brighton
  • Score: 39

7:39am Thu 4 Sep 14

hoveguyactually says...

"A road-rage motorist who hit national headlines after The Argus revealed footage of him swearing at a cyclist 25 times in just 35 seconds has been handed a fine."

That must be a record! I must try to beat that the next time I am almost knocked over by a cyclist riding on a pavement.
"A road-rage motorist who hit national headlines after The Argus revealed footage of him swearing at a cyclist 25 times in just 35 seconds has been handed a fine." That must be a record! I must try to beat that the next time I am almost knocked over by a cyclist riding on a pavement. hoveguyactually
  • Score: -40

7:45am Thu 4 Sep 14

Valentinian says...

I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements, up one way streets, ignoring traffic and road signals etc etc....cyclists in Towns are not only a nuisance to insured and taxed road users but a danger to pedestrians. It is difficult to identify them too. I urge you all to take videos of transgressing scoff law cyclists on your phones and request a crime number when submitting it to the Police....
I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements, up one way streets, ignoring traffic and road signals etc etc....cyclists in Towns are not only a nuisance to insured and taxed road users but a danger to pedestrians. It is difficult to identify them too. I urge you all to take videos of transgressing scoff law cyclists on your phones and request a crime number when submitting it to the Police.... Valentinian
  • Score: -39

7:46am Thu 4 Sep 14

yatman says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.
Looks like the lycra louts are up early.
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.[/p][/quote]Looks like the lycra louts are up early. yatman
  • Score: -48

7:59am Thu 4 Sep 14

skylight says...

Fined £500 for speaking the truth!
What a country we live in. ( sigh)
Fined £500 for speaking the truth! What a country we live in. ( sigh) skylight
  • Score: -86

8:16am Thu 4 Sep 14

JeevesMcMontague says...

Good for him.
Good for him. JeevesMcMontague
  • Score: -53

8:31am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nosfaratu says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
"A road-rage motorist who hit national headlines after The Argus revealed footage of him swearing at a cyclist 25 times in just 35 seconds has been handed a fine."

That must be a record! I must try to beat that the next time I am almost knocked over by a cyclist riding on a pavement.
I have, but in my car with the window up Grrrr
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: "A road-rage motorist who hit national headlines after The Argus revealed footage of him swearing at a cyclist 25 times in just 35 seconds has been handed a fine." That must be a record! I must try to beat that the next time I am almost knocked over by a cyclist riding on a pavement.[/p][/quote]I have, but in my car with the window up Grrrr Nosfaratu
  • Score: -48

8:33am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nosfaratu says...

In car cameras are not expensive. Could save you a lot of bother when the two wheeled brigade get all huffy.
In car cameras are not expensive. Could save you a lot of bother when the two wheeled brigade get all huffy. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -48

9:11am Thu 4 Sep 14

Fight_Back says...

Shame I didn't film the expletives from a cyclist the other day when I challenged him for cycling on the pavement but I doubt the police would have done anything about that even if I had.
Shame I didn't film the expletives from a cyclist the other day when I challenged him for cycling on the pavement but I doubt the police would have done anything about that even if I had. Fight_Back
  • Score: -9

9:20am Thu 4 Sep 14

NickBrt says...

Mr Baldwin was asked to comment and said "****************†
********************
****"
Mr Baldwin was asked to comment and said "****************† ******************** ****" NickBrt
  • Score: 60

9:30am Thu 4 Sep 14

BURIRAM says...

Poor man must have Tourette's
Poor man must have Tourette's BURIRAM
  • Score: 33

9:32am Thu 4 Sep 14

NathanAdler says...

Is there any ned to say "video sharing website" before Youtube.

I am an old codger and even I have heard of Youtube.

I am just going out to lunch to the famous place that sells burgers and fries, Mcdonalds, and I am also going to have some dark brown fizzy pop called Coke.
Is there any ned to say "video sharing website" before Youtube. I am an old codger and even I have heard of Youtube. I am just going out to lunch to the famous place that sells burgers and fries, Mcdonalds, and I am also going to have some dark brown fizzy pop called Coke. NathanAdler
  • Score: 32

9:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

s&k says...

The male menopause.
The male menopause. s&k
  • Score: 43

10:29am Thu 4 Sep 14

peterthomas says...

We love Red Billy wrote:
Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.
Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!!
[quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!! peterthomas
  • Score: -75

10:50am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nikski says...

NathanAdler wrote:
Is there any ned to say "video sharing website" before Youtube.

I am an old codger and even I have heard of Youtube.

I am just going out to lunch to the famous place that sells burgers and fries, Mcdonalds, and I am also going to have some dark brown fizzy pop called Coke.
Don't go for that crap Nathan you'd be better off with a nice healthy salad and some mineral water haha!
[quote][p][bold]NathanAdler[/bold] wrote: Is there any ned to say "video sharing website" before Youtube. I am an old codger and even I have heard of Youtube. I am just going out to lunch to the famous place that sells burgers and fries, Mcdonalds, and I am also going to have some dark brown fizzy pop called Coke.[/p][/quote]Don't go for that crap Nathan you'd be better off with a nice healthy salad and some mineral water haha! Nikski
  • Score: 18

10:52am Thu 4 Sep 14

Nosfaratu says...

There is an awful lot of anonymous negative votes on this subject.
We all know why motorists get annoyed with cyclists, lets try and even up the score with some in car videos of the stupid ones.
I suspect Mr Baldwin has high blood pressure now even if he didn't before.
There is an awful lot of anonymous negative votes on this subject. We all know why motorists get annoyed with cyclists, lets try and even up the score with some in car videos of the stupid ones. I suspect Mr Baldwin has high blood pressure now even if he didn't before. Nosfaratu
  • Score: -79

11:52am Thu 4 Sep 14

LB says...

"I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements"

All police forces have been given instructions to ignore pavement cycling as long as it's not reckless.
"I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements" All police forces have been given instructions to ignore pavement cycling as long as it's not reckless. LB
  • Score: -61

1:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

JeevesMcMontague says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
There is an awful lot of anonymous negative votes on this subject.
We all know why motorists get annoyed with cyclists, lets try and even up the score with some in car videos of the stupid ones.
I suspect Mr Baldwin has high blood pressure now even if he didn't before.
Yes strange how the negative votes all appeared in a very short period...

Some of the Argus cycle brigade obviously have nothing better to do than to repeatedly vote down any comments they don't agree with.
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: There is an awful lot of anonymous negative votes on this subject. We all know why motorists get annoyed with cyclists, lets try and even up the score with some in car videos of the stupid ones. I suspect Mr Baldwin has high blood pressure now even if he didn't before.[/p][/quote]Yes strange how the negative votes all appeared in a very short period... Some of the Argus cycle brigade obviously have nothing better to do than to repeatedly vote down any comments they don't agree with. JeevesMcMontague
  • Score: -131

1:33pm Thu 4 Sep 14

leach1527 says...

Part of the problem here is not just about who is right and who is wrong. It's about the way we handle potentially confrontational situations.

All too often, the person being challenged about their behaviour, even if done so in a reasonable and calm manner, will often immediately resort to a belligerent stance.

Having said that, very often the person who perceives a wrong has been done to them will straight away resort to aggression and abuse.

Both these behaviours immediately inflame the situation and create a confrontation between the two parties where it becomes hard to back down.

We seem to have become a nation of angry, frustrated, prickly people who have short fuses and are unable to settle our differences in a civilised manner.

Certainly our standards of public behaviour have declined in many ways. We now seem to immediately assume the worst in other people, and their intentions, which results in unpleasant, and often nasty, social situations.
Part of the problem here is not just about who is right and who is wrong. It's about the way we handle potentially confrontational situations. All too often, the person being challenged about their behaviour, even if done so in a reasonable and calm manner, will often immediately resort to a belligerent stance. Having said that, very often the person who perceives a wrong has been done to them will straight away resort to aggression and abuse. Both these behaviours immediately inflame the situation and create a confrontation between the two parties where it becomes hard to back down. We seem to have become a nation of angry, frustrated, prickly people who have short fuses and are unable to settle our differences in a civilised manner. Certainly our standards of public behaviour have declined in many ways. We now seem to immediately assume the worst in other people, and their intentions, which results in unpleasant, and often nasty, social situations. leach1527
  • Score: 28

1:43pm Thu 4 Sep 14

wippasnapper says...

What the video doesn't show is what the cyclist did to make the motorist so angry as with all cyclist cam shots they only ever show what the motorist has dun never what the cyclist did to invariant the person attacking them!

I fully agree with what AB has stated but it’s not just cycling on pavements its them expecting you to get out of there way or forcing three-way post you or riding on the road with no lights witch is in itself is a criminal offence and yet the police do nothing to stop it, I did contact the Sussex police commissioner on this issues and her reply was “We do not have the recourses to combat these issues you have razed” I.E. they cant be bothered to stop every cyclist that is braking the law and secondly ever sins the Lewes Rd bike lain’s have been in place more cyclists appear to using the pavements so much for making it safer for cyclists on the roads.
What the video doesn't show is what the cyclist did to make the motorist so angry as with all cyclist cam shots they only ever show what the motorist has dun never what the cyclist did to invariant the person attacking them! I fully agree with what AB has stated but it’s not just cycling on pavements its them expecting you to get out of there way or forcing three-way post you or riding on the road with no lights witch is in itself is a criminal offence and yet the police do nothing to stop it, I did contact the Sussex police commissioner on this issues and her reply was “We do not have the recourses to combat these issues you have razed” I.E. they cant be bothered to stop every cyclist that is braking the law and secondly ever sins the Lewes Rd bike lain’s have been in place more cyclists appear to using the pavements so much for making it safer for cyclists on the roads. wippasnapper
  • Score: -41

1:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Has Mr Baldwin been hurt by the recession? Pension not going quite as far as first thought? Not really employable, because of his age? Repair bills for that jag getting a bit much? Never mind; I know a good nursing home for Mr Baldwin that should be just the tonic, heh heh heh.
Has Mr Baldwin been hurt by the recession? Pension not going quite as far as first thought? Not really employable, because of his age? Repair bills for that jag getting a bit much? Never mind; I know a good nursing home for Mr Baldwin that should be just the tonic, heh heh heh. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: -91

2:07pm Thu 4 Sep 14

hoveguyactually says...

The situation regarding the police ignoring cyclists breaking the law is nothing new. I wrote to the chief of police about it years ago, complaining about the riding on pavements, and the reply I received was that the police had more important matters to deal with. Not long after that a friend of a friend was badly bruised when, getting off a bus, he was hit by a cyclist riding on the pavement. Perhaps that is not considered important. That's all right then.

Meanwhile the fine is way too high. He didn't hit the cyclist, even if he felt like it. Maybe he was fined a certain amount for each swear word. Also, the article does not state where the car was in the road. Perhaps the cyclist resented having to overtake, while most motorists have to face the problem of overtaking slow cyclists every day.
The situation regarding the police ignoring cyclists breaking the law is nothing new. I wrote to the chief of police about it years ago, complaining about the riding on pavements, and the reply I received was that the police had more important matters to deal with. Not long after that a friend of a friend was badly bruised when, getting off a bus, he was hit by a cyclist riding on the pavement. Perhaps that is not considered important. That's all right then. Meanwhile the fine is way too high. He didn't hit the cyclist, even if he felt like it. Maybe he was fined a certain amount for each swear word. Also, the article does not state where the car was in the road. Perhaps the cyclist resented having to overtake, while most motorists have to face the problem of overtaking slow cyclists every day. hoveguyactually
  • Score: -63

3:34pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BenUk says...

If you think riding a bike is dangerous and has no safety like airbags etc then why ride a bike?
live life dangerously its more fun!
to much health and safety in England,
Driving or riding in other countries is far more dangerous then England! You think the roads are bad in England? you will have a heart attack if you drive in some other countries! lets see you moaning about health and safety then!
If you think riding a bike is dangerous and has no safety like airbags etc then why ride a bike? live life dangerously its more fun! to much health and safety in England, Driving or riding in other countries is far more dangerous then England! You think the roads are bad in England? you will have a heart attack if you drive in some other countries! lets see you moaning about health and safety then! BenUk
  • Score: -11

3:55pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Handy-ish Andy says...

I think that Bell's behaviour was despicable.

The video shows that he made an abusive gesture to Baldwin as he drove past. Why wasn't he also prosecuted? And what did he do that caused Baldwin to upet him enough to do that gesture?

Conveniently for Bell, the video doesn't show any of that. He carries that camera only to record incidents in which he gets threatened.

There was no threat made, and Bell certainly wasn't in danger of being lamped, so the charge was for the abusive language, language that Bell returned.

The case should never have got further than the initial interview, but because the video was in the public domain, the police had to be seen to be doing something. Perhaps, as has been suggested countless times, they should be making more efforts to prosecute cyclists?
I think that Bell's behaviour was despicable. The video shows that he made an abusive gesture to Baldwin as he drove past. Why wasn't he also prosecuted? And what did he do that caused Baldwin to upet him enough to do that gesture? Conveniently for Bell, the video doesn't show any of that. He carries that camera only to record incidents in which he gets threatened. There was no threat made, and Bell certainly wasn't in danger of being lamped, so the charge was for the abusive language, language that Bell returned. The case should never have got further than the initial interview, but because the video was in the public domain, the police had to be seen to be doing something. Perhaps, as has been suggested countless times, they should be making more efforts to prosecute cyclists? Handy-ish Andy
  • Score: -62

3:55pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Handy-ish Andy says...

I think that Bell's behaviour was despicable.

The video shows that he made an abusive gesture to Baldwin as he drove past. Why wasn't he also prosecuted? And what did he do that caused Baldwin to upet him enough to do that gesture?

Conveniently for Bell, the video doesn't show any of that. He carries that camera only to record incidents in which he gets threatened.

There was no threat made, and Bell certainly wasn't in danger of being lamped, so the charge was for the abusive language, language that Bell returned.

The case should never have got further than the initial interview, but because the video was in the public domain, the police had to be seen to be doing something. Perhaps, as has been suggested countless times, they should be making more efforts to prosecute cyclists?
I think that Bell's behaviour was despicable. The video shows that he made an abusive gesture to Baldwin as he drove past. Why wasn't he also prosecuted? And what did he do that caused Baldwin to upet him enough to do that gesture? Conveniently for Bell, the video doesn't show any of that. He carries that camera only to record incidents in which he gets threatened. There was no threat made, and Bell certainly wasn't in danger of being lamped, so the charge was for the abusive language, language that Bell returned. The case should never have got further than the initial interview, but because the video was in the public domain, the police had to be seen to be doing something. Perhaps, as has been suggested countless times, they should be making more efforts to prosecute cyclists? Handy-ish Andy
  • Score: -63

4:41pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Wide Bertha says...

peterthomas wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.
Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!!
you have the worlds' most appropriate username.
[quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!![/p][/quote]you have the worlds' most appropriate username. Wide Bertha
  • Score: 15

4:48pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Handy-ish Andy says...

theargusissoinformat
ive
wrote:
Has Mr Baldwin been hurt by the recession? Pension not going quite as far as first thought? Not really employable, because of his age? Repair bills for that jag getting a bit much? Never mind; I know a good nursing home for Mr Baldwin that should be just the tonic, heh heh heh.
And just supposing that Bell's bike had caused damage to the Jag?

Who would be paying for that?

Cyclists get away with murder on our roads. City of London police occasionally have a clampdown on illegal and anti-social riding, but it's a pathetic response to a daily problem across the country.

I am a cyclist, and I try and stick to the rules, but I am well aware of when I have transgressed even when in a trivial fashion. If a motorist ever has cause (in his opinion) to pap his horn at me, I'll stick a friendly contrite hand up in the air, and the matter is resolved. Far too often, I see cyclists in London flashing v-signs at motorists who had the audacity to question their riding. True, sometimes the cyclist has done nothing wrong, but the vast majority of the incidents I witness (I'm not very fast, so most cyclsits are ahead of me) are the fault of the cyclist.
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: Has Mr Baldwin been hurt by the recession? Pension not going quite as far as first thought? Not really employable, because of his age? Repair bills for that jag getting a bit much? Never mind; I know a good nursing home for Mr Baldwin that should be just the tonic, heh heh heh.[/p][/quote]And just supposing that Bell's bike had caused damage to the Jag? Who would be paying for that? Cyclists get away with murder on our roads. City of London police occasionally have a clampdown on illegal and anti-social riding, but it's a pathetic response to a daily problem across the country. I am a cyclist, and I try and stick to the rules, but I am well aware of when I have transgressed even when in a trivial fashion. If a motorist ever has cause (in his opinion) to pap his horn at me, I'll stick a friendly contrite hand up in the air, and the matter is resolved. Far too often, I see cyclists in London flashing v-signs at motorists who had the audacity to question their riding. True, sometimes the cyclist has done nothing wrong, but the vast majority of the incidents I witness (I'm not very fast, so most cyclsits are ahead of me) are the fault of the cyclist. Handy-ish Andy
  • Score: -37

5:14pm Thu 4 Sep 14

special brew says...

I cycle a lot, but I can't stand morons without helmet, with earphone in their ears, ignore a red light. Few times I saw police just watching for those idiots and didn't react at all. People wake up !
I cycle a lot, but I can't stand morons without helmet, with earphone in their ears, ignore a red light. Few times I saw police just watching for those idiots and didn't react at all. People wake up ! special brew
  • Score: -11

5:18pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Sir Prised says...

... yet in another story, a guy has just been fined just £400 for breaking a guy's nose and cheek? Looks like the old saying 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' no longer applies. What a complete joke British justice ha become!
... yet in another story, a guy has just been fined just £400 for breaking a guy's nose and cheek? Looks like the old saying 'Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me' no longer applies. What a complete joke British justice ha become! Sir Prised
  • Score: -15

5:31pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Woodies Seagull says...

peterthomas wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.
Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!!
"Cyclists get away with murder?" Sorry but what planet are you on?
More cyclist get killed by motorist than the other way around. Get your head out of your exhaust-pipe, idiot.
[quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!![/p][/quote]"Cyclists get away with murder?" Sorry but what planet are you on? More cyclist get killed by motorist than the other way around. Get your head out of your exhaust-pipe, idiot. Woodies Seagull
  • Score: 38

6:55pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Sir Prised says...

Woodies Seagull wrote:
peterthomas wrote:
We love Red Billy wrote:
Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.
Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!!
"Cyclists get away with murder?" Sorry but what planet are you on?
More cyclist get killed by motorist than the other way around. Get your head out of your exhaust-pipe, idiot.
Which invariably ISN'T murder but crass-stupidity on behalf of the cyclist ! I saw one go through a red light just today. Most have no regard for the rules of the road.
[quote][p][bold]Woodies Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peterthomas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]We love Red Billy[/bold] wrote: Videos of arrogant, abusive, red light running cyclists please.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - cyclists get away with murder - dangerous law breakers who walk free!![/p][/quote]"Cyclists get away with murder?" Sorry but what planet are you on? More cyclist get killed by motorist than the other way around. Get your head out of your exhaust-pipe, idiot.[/p][/quote]Which invariably ISN'T murder but crass-stupidity on behalf of the cyclist ! I saw one go through a red light just today. Most have no regard for the rules of the road. Sir Prised
  • Score: -23

7:12pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Bored with moaners says...

wippasnapper wrote:
What the video doesn't show is what the cyclist did to make the motorist so angry as with all cyclist cam shots they only ever show what the motorist has dun never what the cyclist did to invariant the person attacking them!

I fully agree with what AB has stated but it’s not just cycling on pavements its them expecting you to get out of there way or forcing three-way post you or riding on the road with no lights witch is in itself is a criminal offence and yet the police do nothing to stop it, I did contact the Sussex police commissioner on this issues and her reply was “We do not have the recourses to combat these issues you have razed” I.E. they cant be bothered to stop every cyclist that is braking the law and secondly ever sins the Lewes Rd bike lain’s have been in place more cyclists appear to using the pavements so much for making it safer for cyclists on the roads.
Regardless of your position on cyclists, I would suggest you re-attend school and listen to the English teacher. Your spelling and grammar is nothing short of atrocious.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: What the video doesn't show is what the cyclist did to make the motorist so angry as with all cyclist cam shots they only ever show what the motorist has dun never what the cyclist did to invariant the person attacking them! I fully agree with what AB has stated but it’s not just cycling on pavements its them expecting you to get out of there way or forcing three-way post you or riding on the road with no lights witch is in itself is a criminal offence and yet the police do nothing to stop it, I did contact the Sussex police commissioner on this issues and her reply was “We do not have the recourses to combat these issues you have razed” I.E. they cant be bothered to stop every cyclist that is braking the law and secondly ever sins the Lewes Rd bike lain’s have been in place more cyclists appear to using the pavements so much for making it safer for cyclists on the roads.[/p][/quote]Regardless of your position on cyclists, I would suggest you re-attend school and listen to the English teacher. Your spelling and grammar is nothing short of atrocious. Bored with moaners
  • Score: 9

7:35pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BenUk says...

Valentinian wrote:
I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements, up one way streets, ignoring traffic and road signals etc etc....cyclists in Towns are not only a nuisance to insured and taxed road users but a danger to pedestrians. It is difficult to identify them too. I urge you all to take videos of transgressing scoff law cyclists on your phones and request a crime number when submitting it to the Police....
I Totally Agree.
Nothing is done to cyclists breaking the law in anyway in fact more is done for them then anything, all a bunch of motor hating eco freaks.
a car or motorbike driver makes 1 little mistake = fine and points on license plus insurance premium goes up!
pedal pusher = sweet F All.
Car/van etc and Motorbike Drivers are paying Englands overly expensive prices on tax and insurance to drive on the roads
Where Pedal pushers pay nothing!

do not get me wrong i ride a pedal bike for fun rarely and i just like everyone else do not care about anyone else apart from myself. Thats the problem all over the world people only care about themselves or family/friends etc but people they do not know they do not care, oh well get used to it, nothing going to change that!!.

what happens if a pedal pusher hits your motor? is there insurance going to pay for your scratches/dent on you motor?

I had a pedal pusher hit my car once, not my fault i was at a stopped at red lights and had lots of space ether side of my car to get a motor bike past
all he said was sorry but lucky it was only a crap cheap car i had at the time so I let it go, I be more mad if it was my brand new car!

So tell me then who pays then if it the pedal pushers fault?
[quote][p][bold]Valentinian[/bold] wrote: I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements, up one way streets, ignoring traffic and road signals etc etc....cyclists in Towns are not only a nuisance to insured and taxed road users but a danger to pedestrians. It is difficult to identify them too. I urge you all to take videos of transgressing scoff law cyclists on your phones and request a crime number when submitting it to the Police....[/p][/quote]I Totally Agree. Nothing is done to cyclists breaking the law in anyway in fact more is done for them then anything, all a bunch of motor hating eco freaks. a car or motorbike driver makes 1 little mistake = fine and points on license plus insurance premium goes up! pedal pusher = sweet F All. Car/van etc and Motorbike Drivers are paying Englands overly expensive prices on tax and insurance to drive on the roads Where Pedal pushers pay nothing! do not get me wrong i ride a pedal bike for fun rarely and i just like everyone else do not care about anyone else apart from myself. Thats the problem all over the world people only care about themselves or family/friends etc but people they do not know they do not care, oh well get used to it, nothing going to change that!!. what happens if a pedal pusher hits your motor? is there insurance going to pay for your scratches/dent on you motor? I had a pedal pusher hit my car once, not my fault i was at a stopped at red lights and had lots of space ether side of my car to get a motor bike past all he said was sorry but lucky it was only a crap cheap car i had at the time so I let it go, I be more mad if it was my brand new car! So tell me then who pays then if it the pedal pushers fault? BenUk
  • Score: -17

8:37pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Sir Prised says...

Bored with moaners wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
What the video doesn't show is what the cyclist did to make the motorist so angry as with all cyclist cam shots they only ever show what the motorist has dun never what the cyclist did to invariant the person attacking them!

I fully agree with what AB has stated but it’s not just cycling on pavements its them expecting you to get out of there way or forcing three-way post you or riding on the road with no lights witch is in itself is a criminal offence and yet the police do nothing to stop it, I did contact the Sussex police commissioner on this issues and her reply was “We do not have the recourses to combat these issues you have razed” I.E. they cant be bothered to stop every cyclist that is braking the law and secondly ever sins the Lewes Rd bike lain’s have been in place more cyclists appear to using the pavements so much for making it safer for cyclists on the roads.
Regardless of your position on cyclists, I would suggest you re-attend school and listen to the English teacher. Your spelling and grammar is nothing short of atrocious.
"Your spelling and grammar *are* nothing short of atrocious"
[quote][p][bold]Bored with moaners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: What the video doesn't show is what the cyclist did to make the motorist so angry as with all cyclist cam shots they only ever show what the motorist has dun never what the cyclist did to invariant the person attacking them! I fully agree with what AB has stated but it’s not just cycling on pavements its them expecting you to get out of there way or forcing three-way post you or riding on the road with no lights witch is in itself is a criminal offence and yet the police do nothing to stop it, I did contact the Sussex police commissioner on this issues and her reply was “We do not have the recourses to combat these issues you have razed” I.E. they cant be bothered to stop every cyclist that is braking the law and secondly ever sins the Lewes Rd bike lain’s have been in place more cyclists appear to using the pavements so much for making it safer for cyclists on the roads.[/p][/quote]Regardless of your position on cyclists, I would suggest you re-attend school and listen to the English teacher. Your spelling and grammar is nothing short of atrocious.[/p][/quote]"Your spelling and grammar *are* nothing short of atrocious" Sir Prised
  • Score: -5

8:59pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Valentinian wrote:
I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements, up one way streets, ignoring traffic and road signals etc etc....cyclists in Towns are not only a nuisance to insured and taxed road users but a danger to pedestrians. It is difficult to identify them too. I urge you all to take videos of transgressing scoff law cyclists on your phones and request a crime number when submitting it to the Police....
What would you expect the police to do, unlike cars, cycles have no identification so traffic cameras are out of the question, The police could stand at the junctions worst affected by 'red light jumpers' such as the gyratory, the bottom of Preston Drove and St. James Street but as soon as a cyclist saw them they would obey the law and stop.
[quote][p][bold]Valentinian[/bold] wrote: I still do not think enough is being done by a Sussex Police to enforce the law of the land. Cycling on pavements, up one way streets, ignoring traffic and road signals etc etc....cyclists in Towns are not only a nuisance to insured and taxed road users but a danger to pedestrians. It is difficult to identify them too. I urge you all to take videos of transgressing scoff law cyclists on your phones and request a crime number when submitting it to the Police....[/p][/quote]What would you expect the police to do, unlike cars, cycles have no identification so traffic cameras are out of the question, The police could stand at the junctions worst affected by 'red light jumpers' such as the gyratory, the bottom of Preston Drove and St. James Street but as soon as a cyclist saw them they would obey the law and stop. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: -23

10:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

skylight wrote:
Fined £500 for speaking the truth!
What a country we live in. ( sigh)
The truth?! What an absolute muppet you are!!
[quote][p][bold]skylight[/bold] wrote: Fined £500 for speaking the truth! What a country we live in. ( sigh)[/p][/quote]The truth?! What an absolute muppet you are!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 2

10:51pm Thu 4 Sep 14

brighton bluenose says...

JeevesMcMontague wrote:
Nosfaratu wrote:
There is an awful lot of anonymous negative votes on this subject.
We all know why motorists get annoyed with cyclists, lets try and even up the score with some in car videos of the stupid ones.
I suspect Mr Baldwin has high blood pressure now even if he didn't before.
Yes strange how the negative votes all appeared in a very short period...

Some of the Argus cycle brigade obviously have nothing better to do than to repeatedly vote down any comments they don't agree with.
You are clearly way too thick to appreciate the irony in your post!!
[quote][p][bold]JeevesMcMontague[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: There is an awful lot of anonymous negative votes on this subject. We all know why motorists get annoyed with cyclists, lets try and even up the score with some in car videos of the stupid ones. I suspect Mr Baldwin has high blood pressure now even if he didn't before.[/p][/quote]Yes strange how the negative votes all appeared in a very short period... Some of the Argus cycle brigade obviously have nothing better to do than to repeatedly vote down any comments they don't agree with.[/p][/quote]You are clearly way too thick to appreciate the irony in your post!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 10

11:40pm Thu 4 Sep 14

WhiteTiger1699 says...

Cyclists are absolute scum and deserve all they get! They are the verminous scourge of society.

Decent, law abiding citizens will fully empathise with this motorist. Well done to him!

Police need to full their fingers out and catch real criminals, like those cyclist riding on pavements- therefore breaking the Highway Code.
Cyclists are absolute scum and deserve all they get! They are the verminous scourge of society. Decent, law abiding citizens will fully empathise with this motorist. Well done to him! Police need to full their fingers out and catch real criminals, like those cyclist riding on pavements- therefore breaking the Highway Code. WhiteTiger1699
  • Score: -20

12:50am Fri 5 Sep 14

Ambo Guy says...

WhiteTiger1699 wrote:
Cyclists are absolute scum and deserve all they get! They are the verminous scourge of society.

Decent, law abiding citizens will fully empathise with this motorist. Well done to him!

Police need to full their fingers out and catch real criminals, like those cyclist riding on pavements- therefore breaking the Highway Code.
TROLL ALERT
TROLL ALERT
TROLL ALERT

Nothing to see in the above comment folks, just a new username trolling on the forum.
[quote][p][bold]WhiteTiger1699[/bold] wrote: Cyclists are absolute scum and deserve all they get! They are the verminous scourge of society. Decent, law abiding citizens will fully empathise with this motorist. Well done to him! Police need to full their fingers out and catch real criminals, like those cyclist riding on pavements- therefore breaking the Highway Code.[/p][/quote]TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT Nothing to see in the above comment folks, just a new username trolling on the forum. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 10

12:54am Fri 5 Sep 14

losdude says...

I agree that often cyclists are worse than motorists,
there have been many times while crossing a zebra crossing I've had to jump back because of a cyclist refusing to stop, one time I was even given the finger afterwards!?!?
Also in parks where it is clearly marked no cycling, people have just ridden through regardless, I have 2 small dogs that we walk around our local park, if they got hit by a careless cyclist riding where they shouldn't be I highly doubt they'd stop to check the dogs were alright or even get an apology.
I agree that often cyclists are worse than motorists, there have been many times while crossing a zebra crossing I've had to jump back because of a cyclist refusing to stop, one time I was even given the finger afterwards!?!? Also in parks where it is clearly marked no cycling, people have just ridden through regardless, I have 2 small dogs that we walk around our local park, if they got hit by a careless cyclist riding where they shouldn't be I highly doubt they'd stop to check the dogs were alright or even get an apology. losdude
  • Score: -1

7:22am Fri 5 Sep 14

Ash Brighton says...

losdude wrote:
I agree that often cyclists are worse than motorists,
there have been many times while crossing a zebra crossing I've had to jump back because of a cyclist refusing to stop, one time I was even given the finger afterwards!?!?
Also in parks where it is clearly marked no cycling, people have just ridden through regardless, I have 2 small dogs that we walk around our local park, if they got hit by a careless cyclist riding where they shouldn't be I highly doubt they'd stop to check the dogs were alright or even get an apology.
It depends how you define worse really.

Sure some people flout the highway code but think about it - would you rather they flout the highway code on two wheels where they are more a danger to themselves (statistically) or flout the highway code when they're behind the wheel of 2 tons of steel? I'd certainly prefer the former.

Ideally no one would flout the highway code but some people see rules as guidelines instead of rules. A change in vehicle doesn't necessarily constitute a change in attitude towards roads.

I'm not going to try to justify the abuse you may have received at those zebra crossings, this was certainly wrong of the cyclist. I can however give you a little insight. I've found in the past that I'm so focused on keeping an eye on other vehicles that I've missed a pedestrian standing at a zebra crossing. Speaking to other regular cyclists, they also have a similar experience. Of course I learn from experience and preemptively adapt my riding when I approach zebra crossings these days but I've got to say, it's unfortunately very easy to make that mistake.

I drive as well so please don't assume I'm anti-car. I think if someone chooses to drive then that's perfectly fine. I must however say that I observe minor infractions by motorists frequently - (constant) amber gambles, failure to signal, failure to give way, texting at the wheel and so on. I also see frequent minor infractions by cyclists too which I'm sure anyone reading is familiar with.

Because of the way we humans work, we tend not to notice the mistakes of the groups we identify with so much. This is a well documented phenomenon. I know you didn't claim motorists were perfect but I think the above affect is why a lot of people get so frustrated with the cycling group as a whole but not other motorists.
[quote][p][bold]losdude[/bold] wrote: I agree that often cyclists are worse than motorists, there have been many times while crossing a zebra crossing I've had to jump back because of a cyclist refusing to stop, one time I was even given the finger afterwards!?!? Also in parks where it is clearly marked no cycling, people have just ridden through regardless, I have 2 small dogs that we walk around our local park, if they got hit by a careless cyclist riding where they shouldn't be I highly doubt they'd stop to check the dogs were alright or even get an apology.[/p][/quote]It depends how you define worse really. Sure some people flout the highway code but think about it - would you rather they flout the highway code on two wheels where they are more a danger to themselves (statistically) or flout the highway code when they're behind the wheel of 2 tons of steel? I'd certainly prefer the former. Ideally no one would flout the highway code but some people see rules as guidelines instead of rules. A change in vehicle doesn't necessarily constitute a change in attitude towards roads. I'm not going to try to justify the abuse you may have received at those zebra crossings, this was certainly wrong of the cyclist. I can however give you a little insight. I've found in the past that I'm so focused on keeping an eye on other vehicles that I've missed a pedestrian standing at a zebra crossing. Speaking to other regular cyclists, they also have a similar experience. Of course I learn from experience and preemptively adapt my riding when I approach zebra crossings these days but I've got to say, it's unfortunately very easy to make that mistake. I drive as well so please don't assume I'm anti-car. I think if someone chooses to drive then that's perfectly fine. I must however say that I observe minor infractions by motorists frequently - (constant) amber gambles, failure to signal, failure to give way, texting at the wheel and so on. I also see frequent minor infractions by cyclists too which I'm sure anyone reading is familiar with. Because of the way we humans work, we tend not to notice the mistakes of the groups we identify with so much. This is a well documented phenomenon. I know you didn't claim motorists were perfect but I think the above affect is why a lot of people get so frustrated with the cycling group as a whole but not other motorists. Ash Brighton
  • Score: 6

11:02am Fri 5 Sep 14

Hotbeans says...

All these keyboard 'hard men' saying the cyclist was a wimp for not hitting the motorist for being so insulting are pathetic. Real life isn't like on The Telly - in real life real men have self control and self respect. If you resort to violence you've already lost, and also be in court for assault or worse.
All these keyboard 'hard men' saying the cyclist was a wimp for not hitting the motorist for being so insulting are pathetic. Real life isn't like on The Telly - in real life real men have self control and self respect. If you resort to violence you've already lost, and also be in court for assault or worse. Hotbeans
  • Score: 5

12:03pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Fairfax Aches says...

If someone had been abusive to me like that he would of gotten a sound whipping and never mind telling the 'old Bill, he'd be jolly well sorry he crossed me I can tell you.
If someone had been abusive to me like that he would of gotten a sound whipping and never mind telling the 'old Bill, he'd be jolly well sorry he crossed me I can tell you. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 3

3:05pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Handy-ish Andy says...

Did any of the "cyclists can do no wrong" brigade actually listen to the video?

Baldwin was angry at bell swearing at him by calling him a 'cvnt' and for infringing some form of 'box' junction. Bell made no attempt to deny either, which means that the cyclist accepted that he done both.

There was no threat to bell's well-being, either. Baldwin just wanted to put him straight on both offences.
Did any of the "cyclists can do no wrong" brigade actually listen to the video? Baldwin was angry at bell swearing at him by calling him a 'cvnt' and for infringing some form of 'box' junction. Bell made no attempt to deny either, which means that the cyclist accepted that he done both. There was no threat to bell's well-being, either. Baldwin just wanted to put him straight on both offences. Handy-ish Andy
  • Score: -2

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