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Hantz in Albion talks

The Argus: Frédéric Hantz Frédéric Hantz

Albion could ask Frédéric Hantz to secure a third promotion to the top flight after holding talks with the highly-regarded French boss.

The former Le Mans, Le Havre and Bastia head coach is a candidate to replace Oscar Garcia in charge at the Seagulls.

According to Argus sources in France, the 48-year-old has met club bosses for a second time after impressing at an initial interview.

Hantz now appears to be firmly in the running with former Liverpool defender Sami Hyypia to take over at the Amex although chairman Tony Bloom continues to give nothing away as he prepares for his third managerial appointment.

Both Hantz and Hyypia have been backed heavily in the betting markets over the last 48 hours.

Hantz is a frontrunner for the vacant job at top-flight outfit Reims but would be intrigued by a first professional venture outside France.

It is understood he was flattered by Albion’s knowledge of his achievements in France and hugely impressed by the depth of their scouting across Europe for a new boss.

Hantz has taken Le Mans and Bastia to the top division on tight budgets.

He is known as an intelligent, innovative coach and already speaks passable English.

He took third-division Bastia to back-to-back promotions and has kept them comfortably in Ligue 1 for the last two seasons, earning hero status with their notoriously temperamental fans in the process.

However he decided against signing a new contract recently after a disagreement with the club president over the composition of his coaching team.

Hantz was initially expected to take a year's break but has recently been in talks with Reims, who finished one place below Bastia last term.

Football League clubs gather on the Algarve for their two-day annual meeting today, which could delay any decision by Albion.

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5:14am Thu 5 Jun 14

lighteninglee says...

when Will this all be completed who ever gets the job is having less time to build a team for the start of the season.
when Will this all be completed who ever gets the job is having less time to build a team for the start of the season. lighteninglee
  • Score: -9

5:31am Thu 5 Jun 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

I'm a bit disappointed that we don't have a new 'bookies favourite' today... well not yet anyway.

So for the benefit of the Argus team I have created a computer programme which randomly matches forenames with surnames. As and when a combination comes up which matches a football manager it will flag this up - and if he is currently out of work it will automatically generate a story which links him with the Albion vacancy including the latest odds.

In the event that no matches are created the programme can be switched to "continental mode" where European-sounding names are prioritised. In this mode it can actually write an Albion themed story about any name combination so that of a names sounds as though it COULD be a real manager it can be put into action if no other stories are available!

UTA!!
I'm a bit disappointed that we don't have a new 'bookies favourite' today... well not yet anyway. So for the benefit of the Argus team I have created a computer programme which randomly matches forenames with surnames. As and when a combination comes up which matches a football manager it will flag this up - and if he is currently out of work it will automatically generate a story which links him with the Albion vacancy including the latest odds. In the event that no matches are created the programme can be switched to "continental mode" where European-sounding names are prioritised. In this mode it can actually write an Albion themed story about any name combination so that of a names sounds as though it COULD be a real manager it can be put into action if no other stories are available! UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 51

6:16am Thu 5 Jun 14

namgo49 says...

I am sure his extensive experience of English football & in particular the Championship's power & pace will stand him in good stead. Still I suppose we we could have done a Blackpool & appointed the 1st unemployed football manager who walked through the door!!
I am sure his extensive experience of English football & in particular the Championship's power & pace will stand him in good stead. Still I suppose we we could have done a Blackpool & appointed the 1st unemployed football manager who walked through the door!! namgo49
  • Score: -15

6:21am Thu 5 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

This French guy looks like a decent manager, not only that but has ideas and backs his loyal staff! I suppose jonesy is looking for a tailor to make him a matching suit to the Burke , if they work in tandem will they be known as BJ?
This French guy looks like a decent manager, not only that but has ideas and backs his loyal staff! I suppose jonesy is looking for a tailor to make him a matching suit to the Burke , if they work in tandem will they be known as BJ? mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

6:26am Thu 5 Jun 14

AlfieT says...

Good coaching credentials, temperamental fans favourite, used to working on a tight budget, sounds ideal, preferable to Hyypia anyway.
Good coaching credentials, temperamental fans favourite, used to working on a tight budget, sounds ideal, preferable to Hyypia anyway. AlfieT
  • Score: 26

6:27am Thu 5 Jun 14

davids1954corvette says...

Just read the front page of a national newspaper and theyve just arrested an ageing Lord Lucan found living as a recluse in the Bolivian jungle. The first question he asked was ''have Brighton signed a new manager yet?'' He told them he would probably apply.
I'm off to the bookies with my £50 bet.
Watch this space.
Just read the front page of a national newspaper and theyve just arrested an ageing Lord Lucan found living as a recluse in the Bolivian jungle. The first question he asked was ''have Brighton signed a new manager yet?'' He told them he would probably apply. I'm off to the bookies with my £50 bet. Watch this space. davids1954corvette
  • Score: 19

6:37am Thu 5 Jun 14

MHubbs says...

Nothing against the guy in principle, except that it will be another coach experimenting in English football.

This may suit the board well, if there hope is to reach premiership status in 2-3 years time as it keeps us in the mix without being right up and challenging for the top two spots.
Nothing against the guy in principle, except that it will be another coach experimenting in English football. This may suit the board well, if there hope is to reach premiership status in 2-3 years time as it keeps us in the mix without being right up and challenging for the top two spots. MHubbs
  • Score: 7

6:58am Thu 5 Jun 14

OzzieGull says...

With all due respect to this guy and his past, but what does he know about English football, in particular the Championship? His understanding of what and who we need is going to be zero, so he will only have two ready sources of information - "the suits" or NJ - neither option fills me with confidence. With so much going for us I would have hoped for a higher profile than either of the two current front runners. Why are the likes of Malky Mackay and Steve Clarke not high on this list?
With all due respect to this guy and his past, but what does he know about English football, in particular the Championship? His understanding of what and who we need is going to be zero, so he will only have two ready sources of information - "the suits" or NJ - neither option fills me with confidence. With so much going for us I would have hoped for a higher profile than either of the two current front runners. Why are the likes of Malky Mackay and Steve Clarke not high on this list? OzzieGull
  • Score: -17

7:05am Thu 5 Jun 14

thetungsten says...

Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND! thetungsten
  • Score: 12

7:06am Thu 5 Jun 14

blueskiesfromnowon says...

Well, if it's down to these two I think I'd ratherr have the one with a history of back to back promotions, adoring fans, an intriguing French accent, and who chose to leave, rather than the one with the disturbing eyes, dodgy haircut, sinister Finnish accent and who got sacked following "a disappointing run of twelve games without a win".
Well, if it's down to these two I think I'd ratherr have the one with a history of back to back promotions, adoring fans, an intriguing French accent, and who chose to leave, rather than the one with the disturbing eyes, dodgy haircut, sinister Finnish accent and who got sacked following "a disappointing run of twelve games without a win". blueskiesfromnowon
  • Score: 24

7:16am Thu 5 Jun 14

thetungsten says...

Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?
Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign? thetungsten
  • Score: 2

7:19am Thu 5 Jun 14

bbb1969 says...

I suppose he ticks all the boxes especially gained promotion and kept the team there on a tight budget. No brainer for me cos Barber needs a new car.
The only thing is that no one has told him we have no players.
I suppose he ticks all the boxes especially gained promotion and kept the team there on a tight budget. No brainer for me cos Barber needs a new car. The only thing is that no one has told him we have no players. bbb1969
  • Score: 16

7:19am Thu 5 Jun 14

MHubbs says...

thetungsten wrote:
Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?
I can live with that lol
[quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?[/p][/quote]I can live with that lol MHubbs
  • Score: 4

7:26am Thu 5 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

sorry --never heard of the bloke, but got to give him a chance if he is appointed, before blowing him out of the water. Maybe a good manager?? Would have preferred someone more high profile, but he is not here yet.
sorry --never heard of the bloke, but got to give him a chance if he is appointed, before blowing him out of the water. Maybe a good manager?? Would have preferred someone more high profile, but he is not here yet. mikeygit
  • Score: 9

7:32am Thu 5 Jun 14

To baldly go says...

No thank you, another unknown, where are all the high profile managers we were promised?
Could make a decent soap opera out of this! well, one that would give Eastenders a run anyway!
No thank you, another unknown, where are all the high profile managers we were promised? Could make a decent soap opera out of this! well, one that would give Eastenders a run anyway! To baldly go
  • Score: -5

7:35am Thu 5 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol mark by the sea
  • Score: 33

7:38am Thu 5 Jun 14

hannover seagull says...

thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Bit concerned about `passable english´
In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again
Not another 6 month learning curve please
UTA
[quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND![/p][/quote]Bit concerned about `passable english´ In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again Not another 6 month learning curve please UTA hannover seagull
  • Score: 16

7:39am Thu 5 Jun 14

Far gull says...

lighteninglee wrote:
when Will this all be completed who ever gets the job is having less time to build a team for the start of the season.
In fairness there are 900 odd players release by their clubs jobless , shouldn't be too difficult to get a few in, but expect we as a club will make a meal of it and struggle citing 'quality not out there' etc ....then hail players coming in like Andrews as top notch !!!! :-):-)
Most players still on holiday and even Orlandi, Kusack Brez etc are still yet to find clubs so there is hope of building a team again...just on less money. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]lighteninglee[/bold] wrote: when Will this all be completed who ever gets the job is having less time to build a team for the start of the season.[/p][/quote]In fairness there are 900 odd players release by their clubs jobless , shouldn't be too difficult to get a few in, but expect we as a club will make a meal of it and struggle citing 'quality not out there' etc ....then hail players coming in like Andrews as top notch !!!! :-):-) Most players still on holiday and even Orlandi, Kusack Brez etc are still yet to find clubs so there is hope of building a team again...just on less money. ;-) Far gull
  • Score: 7

7:43am Thu 5 Jun 14

Far gull says...

MHubbs wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?
I can live with that lol
Did try and rouse support for him immediately post OG , but got to many thumbs down. Up against Hapyia and Handz he should be a no brainer and he speaks English/ his surname begins with an H.
[quote][p][bold]MHubbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?[/p][/quote]I can live with that lol[/p][/quote]Did try and rouse support for him immediately post OG , but got to many thumbs down. Up against Hapyia and Handz he should be a no brainer and he speaks English/ his surname begins with an H. Far gull
  • Score: 13

7:43am Thu 5 Jun 14

mikeygit says...

OK the guy is only a candidate, not yet appointed, but forgive me if I am mistaken but did TB not say at the outset that he wanted a manager who had a good command of English AND with a proven track record of English football. Makes me believe--as I said yesterday--that they are having to go to Plan B candidates as the higher profile ones do not want the job--or they want too much money??
OK the guy is only a candidate, not yet appointed, but forgive me if I am mistaken but did TB not say at the outset that he wanted a manager who had a good command of English AND with a proven track record of English football. Makes me believe--as I said yesterday--that they are having to go to Plan B candidates as the higher profile ones do not want the job--or they want too much money?? mikeygit
  • Score: 19

7:52am Thu 5 Jun 14

Blue and White Gulls says...

He looks like a dodgy Frank Sinatra tribute act, I hope he does it his way ang gets on with the Rat Pack. Anyway enough of that please please can we get this sorted so that we can move on. UTA
He looks like a dodgy Frank Sinatra tribute act, I hope he does it his way ang gets on with the Rat Pack. Anyway enough of that please please can we get this sorted so that we can move on. UTA Blue and White Gulls
  • Score: 2

7:53am Thu 5 Jun 14

andyp123 says...

Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame. andyp123
  • Score: 21

7:54am Thu 5 Jun 14

Blue and White Gulls says...

He looks like a dodgy Frank Sinatra tribute act, I hope he does it his way and gets on with the Rat Pack. Anyway enough of that please please can we get this sorted so that we can move on. UTA
He looks like a dodgy Frank Sinatra tribute act, I hope he does it his way and gets on with the Rat Pack. Anyway enough of that please please can we get this sorted so that we can move on. UTA Blue and White Gulls
  • Score: -5

7:56am Thu 5 Jun 14

Blue and White Gulls says...

Sorry for the double post intelligent phone not so intelligent operator.
Sorry for the double post intelligent phone not so intelligent operator. Blue and White Gulls
  • Score: 11

8:03am Thu 5 Jun 14

peterpan32 says...

Meh!!!
Meh!!! peterpan32
  • Score: 2

8:10am Thu 5 Jun 14

Becktheman says...

He is considered a good manager and attracts good players on a tight budget. The French Football Weekly only has praise for him.

Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that one, as well as how to retain the solidity that experience brings while replenishing a peripatetic effectif on a (very) limited budget. Bastia had the oldest squad in Ligue 1 last season, as well as one of the smallest, and their recruitment usually involves a canny series of free-deals and loan moves and not spending any money (see Transfermarkt). Of the ten players who scored at least twice, Bastia only paid money for one of them, Boudebouz; the top three were in on loan (Bruno, Raspentino) and youth team product Khazri. Mickaël Landreau and Julien Sablé are retiring, and many of the key free players – Romaric, Squillaci, Cisse, Modesto - are over 30. Bastia were by no means indiscriminate when recruiting – Claudiu Keserü scored only one in 16 after coming in on a free, and was shunted off to Steaua as surplus to requirements – they were just good. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that as well.

The third area where Bastia will not necessarily be looking to improve, but to maintain, is “whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz“. As well as being a canny operator in the market, his results record is undeniable. In his first season, SCB were promoted from National; in his second, they were champions of Ligue 2; in his third, they finished safely twelfth in Ligue 1; in his fourth, they have made the top half. That’s a hell of a challenge – which has been taken up by Claude Makelele.
He is considered a good manager and attracts good players on a tight budget. The French Football Weekly only has praise for him. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that one, as well as how to retain the solidity that experience brings while replenishing a peripatetic effectif on a (very) limited budget. Bastia had the oldest squad in Ligue 1 last season, as well as one of the smallest, and their recruitment usually involves a canny series of free-deals and loan moves and not spending any money (see Transfermarkt). Of the ten players who scored at least twice, Bastia only paid money for one of them, Boudebouz; the top three were in on loan (Bruno, Raspentino) and youth team product Khazri. Mickaël Landreau and Julien Sablé are retiring, and many of the key free players – Romaric, Squillaci, Cisse, Modesto - are over 30. Bastia were by no means indiscriminate when recruiting – Claudiu Keserü scored only one in 16 after coming in on a free, and was shunted off to Steaua as surplus to requirements – they were just good. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that as well. The third area where Bastia will not necessarily be looking to improve, but to maintain, is “whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz“. As well as being a canny operator in the market, his results record is undeniable. In his first season, SCB were promoted from National; in his second, they were champions of Ligue 2; in his third, they finished safely twelfth in Ligue 1; in his fourth, they have made the top half. That’s a hell of a challenge – which has been taken up by Claude Makelele. Becktheman
  • Score: 4

8:11am Thu 5 Jun 14

Barry W says...

Pay peanuts get monkeys comes to mind!!
Pay peanuts get monkeys comes to mind!! Barry W
  • Score: 1

8:18am Thu 5 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Similar story to yesterday, just a different name. Same goes for previous links to Sherwood, Clement, Clarke and Lennon.
Enjoy your day.
Similar story to yesterday, just a different name. Same goes for previous links to Sherwood, Clement, Clarke and Lennon. Enjoy your day. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

8:44am Thu 5 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

Sorry but this isn't the high calibre manager we were promised. The fact that he is even at an interview stage suggests we are operating on a shoestring budget. Now beginning to despair. The way things are going we'll be lucky to get the chuckle brothers.
Sorry but this isn't the high calibre manager we were promised. The fact that he is even at an interview stage suggests we are operating on a shoestring budget. Now beginning to despair. The way things are going we'll be lucky to get the chuckle brothers. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -9

8:48am Thu 5 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

This guy is intriguing and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Doesn't have an illustrious playing career but could be a French version of Sean Dyche.
I don't understand the instant negativity. Just because he isn't well known to us doesn't mean he's no good. He could be the business and a real surprise packet.
Most of the favourite candidates who are high profile seem to be up their own back sides and seem to think they are too good for us. Otherwise we would have secured our man by now surely.
Keep an open mind and maybe, just maybe we'll have a new manager soon.
After all we're so Southern, we're practically French. UTA
This guy is intriguing and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't have an illustrious playing career but could be a French version of Sean Dyche. I don't understand the instant negativity. Just because he isn't well known to us doesn't mean he's no good. He could be the business and a real surprise packet. Most of the favourite candidates who are high profile seem to be up their own back sides and seem to think they are too good for us. Otherwise we would have secured our man by now surely. Keep an open mind and maybe, just maybe we'll have a new manager soon. After all we're so Southern, we're practically French. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 23

8:55am Thu 5 Jun 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Please please not this guy - absolutely no experience of English footie - Sammy H, Chris H, or Timbo S .... but this dude will be an epic fail.
Please please not this guy - absolutely no experience of English footie - Sammy H, Chris H, or Timbo S .... but this dude will be an epic fail. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -9

9:11am Thu 5 Jun 14

Ahamay says...

hannover seagull wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Bit concerned about `passable english´
In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again
Not another 6 month learning curve please
UTA
I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all.

There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND![/p][/quote]Bit concerned about `passable english´ In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again Not another 6 month learning curve please UTA[/p][/quote]I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all. There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood. Ahamay
  • Score: 11

9:11am Thu 5 Jun 14

Ahamay says...

hannover seagull wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Bit concerned about `passable english´
In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again
Not another 6 month learning curve please
UTA
I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all.

There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood.
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND![/p][/quote]Bit concerned about `passable english´ In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again Not another 6 month learning curve please UTA[/p][/quote]I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all. There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood. Ahamay
  • Score: 2

9:11am Thu 5 Jun 14

the taffster says...

Why appoint another foreign coach....? What's wrong with Clarke,Hughton ,Sherwood etc? They know what it takes to gain promotion from the championship.... Which I would consider to be of up most importance if that's what we want....I think the fans do want that sooner rather than later....I honestly don't think Tony bloom does though....we've had 2 foreign coaches and that hasn't worked...now he's trying to employ a third....also what has Sammy hypia done in football management? Just get hughton in....he knows the championship and premiership inside out and can wheel and deal...
Why appoint another foreign coach....? What's wrong with Clarke,Hughton ,Sherwood etc? They know what it takes to gain promotion from the championship.... Which I would consider to be of up most importance if that's what we want....I think the fans do want that sooner rather than later....I honestly don't think Tony bloom does though....we've had 2 foreign coaches and that hasn't worked...now he's trying to employ a third....also what has Sammy hypia done in football management? Just get hughton in....he knows the championship and premiership inside out and can wheel and deal... the taffster
  • Score: -2

9:18am Thu 5 Jun 14

brighton777 says...

Read a comment yesterday about all the players and management that have left . Working out what their wages might be a week the club could be saving up to £120,000 a week. Just wondered if this is so attractive to the top management why they are dragging their heels signing anyone.
Read a comment yesterday about all the players and management that have left . Working out what their wages might be a week the club could be saving up to £120,000 a week. Just wondered if this is so attractive to the top management why they are dragging their heels signing anyone. brighton777
  • Score: 4

9:19am Thu 5 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

hannover seagull wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Bit concerned about `passable english´
In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again
Not another 6 month learning curve please
UTA
'Bit concerned about `passable English´ said Hannover Seagull.

Don't worry too much...I'm sure The Tungsten will improve. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND![/p][/quote]Bit concerned about `passable english´ In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again Not another 6 month learning curve please UTA[/p][/quote]'Bit concerned about `passable English´ said Hannover Seagull. Don't worry too much...I'm sure The Tungsten will improve. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 7

9:21am Thu 5 Jun 14

4everaseagull says...

Why all the negative posts. Lets trust TB to get the appointment right. Yes I am eager like everyone else for it to get sorted sooner rather than later but I would rather TB get it right rather than rush into things. I would like to see a British manager but I think the situation is not helped by the amount of clubs hunting new managers as well. Hantz sounds like he might fit the bill and yes I have never heard of him until now but then nor had I heard of Oscar last year and considering the difficulties he faced he didn't do too bad or is a top 6 finish not good enough to some?
Why all the negative posts. Lets trust TB to get the appointment right. Yes I am eager like everyone else for it to get sorted sooner rather than later but I would rather TB get it right rather than rush into things. I would like to see a British manager but I think the situation is not helped by the amount of clubs hunting new managers as well. Hantz sounds like he might fit the bill and yes I have never heard of him until now but then nor had I heard of Oscar last year and considering the difficulties he faced he didn't do too bad or is a top 6 finish not good enough to some? 4everaseagull
  • Score: 9

9:21am Thu 5 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

the taffster wrote:
Why appoint another foreign coach....? What's wrong with Clarke,Hughton ,Sherwood etc? They know what it takes to gain promotion from the championship.... Which I would consider to be of up most importance if that's what we want....I think the fans do want that sooner rather than later....I honestly don't think Tony bloom does though....we've had 2 foreign coaches and that hasn't worked...now he's trying to employ a third....also what has Sammy hypia done in football management? Just get hughton in....he knows the championship and premiership inside out and can wheel and deal...
2 foreign coaches and it hasn't worked?
I think play off semi finals 2 years running means it has worked to a degree.
It's the system run by the suits that hasn't worked. UTA
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Why appoint another foreign coach....? What's wrong with Clarke,Hughton ,Sherwood etc? They know what it takes to gain promotion from the championship.... Which I would consider to be of up most importance if that's what we want....I think the fans do want that sooner rather than later....I honestly don't think Tony bloom does though....we've had 2 foreign coaches and that hasn't worked...now he's trying to employ a third....also what has Sammy hypia done in football management? Just get hughton in....he knows the championship and premiership inside out and can wheel and deal...[/p][/quote]2 foreign coaches and it hasn't worked? I think play off semi finals 2 years running means it has worked to a degree. It's the system run by the suits that hasn't worked. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 16

9:22am Thu 5 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
This guy is intriguing and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Doesn't have an illustrious playing career but could be a French version of Sean Dyche.
I don't understand the instant negativity. Just because he isn't well known to us doesn't mean he's no good. He could be the business and a real surprise packet.
Most of the favourite candidates who are high profile seem to be up their own back sides and seem to think they are too good for us. Otherwise we would have secured our man by now surely.
Keep an open mind and maybe, just maybe we'll have a new manager soon.
After all we're so Southern, we're practically French. UTA
I agree.
After all, how well did Arsene Wenger know English Football before he joined Arsenal and look what he went on to do?
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: This guy is intriguing and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't have an illustrious playing career but could be a French version of Sean Dyche. I don't understand the instant negativity. Just because he isn't well known to us doesn't mean he's no good. He could be the business and a real surprise packet. Most of the favourite candidates who are high profile seem to be up their own back sides and seem to think they are too good for us. Otherwise we would have secured our man by now surely. Keep an open mind and maybe, just maybe we'll have a new manager soon. After all we're so Southern, we're practically French. UTA[/p][/quote]I agree. After all, how well did Arsene Wenger know English Football before he joined Arsenal and look what he went on to do? Claude Back
  • Score: 21

9:29am Thu 5 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Ahamay wrote:
hannover seagull wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Bit concerned about `passable english´
In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again
Not another 6 month learning curve please
UTA
I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all.

There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood.
I think you'll find that MoPo speaks perfect English.
He just used an interpreter to speak to the media to avoid any misunderstanding. Says a lot about our media doesn't it?
I agree with what you say, though. Football is a universal language. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ahamay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND![/p][/quote]Bit concerned about `passable english´ In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again Not another 6 month learning curve please UTA[/p][/quote]I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all. There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that MoPo speaks perfect English. He just used an interpreter to speak to the media to avoid any misunderstanding. Says a lot about our media doesn't it? I agree with what you say, though. Football is a universal language. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 8

9:33am Thu 5 Jun 14

bha3072011 says...

Mantz as manager with Hyypia as his assistant? Could be possible....
Mantz as manager with Hyypia as his assistant? Could be possible.... bha3072011
  • Score: -5

9:43am Thu 5 Jun 14

Camp Nigel says...

This Hantz guy is a done deal. Nathan Jones was spotted in Kemptown this morning buying a second hand Rossetta Stone French language course.
This Hantz guy is a done deal. Nathan Jones was spotted in Kemptown this morning buying a second hand Rossetta Stone French language course. Camp Nigel
  • Score: 12

9:45am Thu 5 Jun 14

Max Ripple says...

andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Agree. Something is going very wrong here. I get a feeling the Albion board, TB, DB and DB etc are coming in every morning and thinking "OK, is there anyone left who we haven't thought of or heard of? Get em in for an interview. Maybe that will keep the fans and Argus happy for a bit longer". I'm afraid I think they're running out of options and ideas.
Like all good fans I desperately want us to find a good (maybe not even Great at this stage) manager/coach who has a chance of doing the club and us - yes us - justice. I'm getting a distinct feeling we might be disappointed.

Chin up though. Up the Albion!
[quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Agree. Something is going very wrong here. I get a feeling the Albion board, TB, DB and DB etc are coming in every morning and thinking "OK, is there anyone left who we haven't thought of or heard of? Get em in for an interview. Maybe that will keep the fans and Argus happy for a bit longer". I'm afraid I think they're running out of options and ideas. Like all good fans I desperately want us to find a good (maybe not even Great at this stage) manager/coach who has a chance of doing the club and us - yes us - justice. I'm getting a distinct feeling we might be disappointed. Chin up though. Up the Albion! Max Ripple
  • Score: -8

9:45am Thu 5 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

To baldly go wrote:
No thank you, another unknown, where are all the high profile managers we were promised?
Could make a decent soap opera out of this! well, one that would give Eastenders a run anyway!
They said we had received a lot of high CALIBRE applicants, not necessarily (all) high profile.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: No thank you, another unknown, where are all the high profile managers we were promised? Could make a decent soap opera out of this! well, one that would give Eastenders a run anyway![/p][/quote]They said we had received a lot of high CALIBRE applicants, not necessarily (all) high profile. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 10

9:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

Becktheman says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
This guy is intriguing and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Doesn't have an illustrious playing career but could be a French version of Sean Dyche.
I don't understand the instant negativity. Just because he isn't well known to us doesn't mean he's no good. He could be the business and a real surprise packet.
Most of the favourite candidates who are high profile seem to be up their own back sides and seem to think they are too good for us. Otherwise we would have secured our man by now surely.
Keep an open mind and maybe, just maybe we'll have a new manager soon.
After all we're so Southern, we're practically French. UTA
totally agree with you on this.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: This guy is intriguing and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't have an illustrious playing career but could be a French version of Sean Dyche. I don't understand the instant negativity. Just because he isn't well known to us doesn't mean he's no good. He could be the business and a real surprise packet. Most of the favourite candidates who are high profile seem to be up their own back sides and seem to think they are too good for us. Otherwise we would have secured our man by now surely. Keep an open mind and maybe, just maybe we'll have a new manager soon. After all we're so Southern, we're practically French. UTA[/p][/quote]totally agree with you on this. Becktheman
  • Score: 11

9:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

mikeygit wrote:
sorry --never heard of the bloke, but got to give him a chance if he is appointed, before blowing him out of the water. Maybe a good manager?? Would have preferred someone more high profile, but he is not here yet.
Fair points Mikeygit.
Like you I would prefer someone higher profile (which we were lead to believe the candidates were) and (?) higher calibre.
Someone who has knowledge of English football and speaks more than passable English. What we don't want is the same communications problems that clearly (according to TB) undermined the club's working relationship with Oscar. The French over the centuries have often misunderstood the English ! Knowledge of English football and the English language are two boxes that Hyypia ticked.
While we have been hearing that the contenders for our new Manager included people like Clarke, Hughton, Sherwood and Hyypia I was relatively relaxed since their pedigree is established but I have to say I would not have the same confidence if Hantz was appointed although I would hope to be proved wrong if he were.
I appreciate that all we seem to be hearing about are the candidates being interviewed at present eg Sherwood, Hyypia , Clarke and Hantz etc. so it is too early to draw any conclusions but we do seem to be slipping down the calibre/high profile table.
It also seems that the club is/might be conducting a series of second interviews with I assume the preferred candidates from the original short list. Therefore it may well be a further few days before any decision is reached and announced (more patient waiting). The fact that the annual Football league meeting takes place over the next couple of days will probably delay the process still further.
With pre-season only 3 weeks away time is fast running out for an appointment to be made if we are not to suffer from the disruption in the same way we did last year. So a plea to TB, please get someone in (not just anyone) soon.
Finally one observation. As the last man standing Nathan Jones is effectively our acting Head Coach/Manager. By the way does anybody know if NJ speaks French ?
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: sorry --never heard of the bloke, but got to give him a chance if he is appointed, before blowing him out of the water. Maybe a good manager?? Would have preferred someone more high profile, but he is not here yet.[/p][/quote]Fair points Mikeygit. Like you I would prefer someone higher profile (which we were lead to believe the candidates were) and (?) higher calibre. Someone who has knowledge of English football and speaks more than passable English. What we don't want is the same communications problems that clearly (according to TB) undermined the club's working relationship with Oscar. The French over the centuries have often misunderstood the English ! Knowledge of English football and the English language are two boxes that Hyypia ticked. While we have been hearing that the contenders for our new Manager included people like Clarke, Hughton, Sherwood and Hyypia I was relatively relaxed since their pedigree is established but I have to say I would not have the same confidence if Hantz was appointed although I would hope to be proved wrong if he were. I appreciate that all we seem to be hearing about are the candidates being interviewed at present eg Sherwood, Hyypia , Clarke and Hantz etc. so it is too early to draw any conclusions but we do seem to be slipping down the calibre/high profile table. It also seems that the club is/might be conducting a series of second interviews with I assume the preferred candidates from the original short list. Therefore it may well be a further few days before any decision is reached and announced (more patient waiting). The fact that the annual Football league meeting takes place over the next couple of days will probably delay the process still further. With pre-season only 3 weeks away time is fast running out for an appointment to be made if we are not to suffer from the disruption in the same way we did last year. So a plea to TB, please get someone in (not just anyone) soon. Finally one observation. As the last man standing Nathan Jones is effectively our acting Head Coach/Manager. By the way does anybody know if NJ speaks French ? ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

9:51am Thu 5 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible.

For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance.

Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible. For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance. Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 8

10:04am Thu 5 Jun 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income.

Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m

Interest on bank loans might be 5m.

If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages pte
  • Score: 2

10:09am Thu 5 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Ahamay wrote:
hannover seagull wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!
Bit concerned about `passable english´
In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again
Not another 6 month learning curve please
UTA
I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all.

There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood.
Exceptions can prove rules or lightening doesn't strike twice ( least on the South coast).
[quote][p][bold]Ahamay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND![/p][/quote]Bit concerned about `passable english´ In my opinion we need a straight talking manager who can get his message directly across and with experience in english football .The new guy will have to hit the ground running with the new players we need otherwise its back to the board signing them again Not another 6 month learning curve please UTA[/p][/quote]I seem to remember a certain club playing at St Marys achieving relative success with a manager who spoke no English at all. There are many ways of getting a message across quickly and successfully. Language difficulties don't always mean that someone will not be a success in management/coaching. If you've got it, then you'll be quickly understood.[/p][/quote]Exceptions can prove rules or lightening doesn't strike twice ( least on the South coast). ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

10:39am Thu 5 Jun 14

pte says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible.

For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance.

Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.
Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs.

What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself.

I don't think so
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible. For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance. Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.[/p][/quote]Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs. What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself. I don't think so pte
  • Score: -2

10:39am Thu 5 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Becktheman wrote:
He is considered a good manager and attracts good players on a tight budget. The French Football Weekly only has praise for him.

Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that one, as well as how to retain the solidity that experience brings while replenishing a peripatetic effectif on a (very) limited budget. Bastia had the oldest squad in Ligue 1 last season, as well as one of the smallest, and their recruitment usually involves a canny series of free-deals and loan moves and not spending any money (see Transfermarkt). Of the ten players who scored at least twice, Bastia only paid money for one of them, Boudebouz; the top three were in on loan (Bruno, Raspentino) and youth team product Khazri. Mickaël Landreau and Julien Sablé are retiring, and many of the key free players – Romaric, Squillaci, Cisse, Modesto - are over 30. Bastia were by no means indiscriminate when recruiting – Claudiu Keserü scored only one in 16 after coming in on a free, and was shunted off to Steaua as surplus to requirements – they were just good. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that as well.

The third area where Bastia will not necessarily be looking to improve, but to maintain, is “whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz“. As well as being a canny operator in the market, his results record is undeniable. In his first season, SCB were promoted from National; in his second, they were champions of Ligue 2; in his third, they finished safely twelfth in Ligue 1; in his fourth, they have made the top half. That’s a hell of a challenge – which has been taken up by Claude Makelele.
Sounds good to me! Only issues are degree of English he has and how he will function in the English game (knowledge of players and characteristics of our game).

To be fair, he looks a shrewd operator and I wouldn't be surprised if he knows a lot more about the English game than we expect. I'm sure Bloom will eek this out of him at the interviews if he doesn't volunteer the information himself.
[quote][p][bold]Becktheman[/bold] wrote: He is considered a good manager and attracts good players on a tight budget. The French Football Weekly only has praise for him. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that one, as well as how to retain the solidity that experience brings while replenishing a peripatetic effectif on a (very) limited budget. Bastia had the oldest squad in Ligue 1 last season, as well as one of the smallest, and their recruitment usually involves a canny series of free-deals and loan moves and not spending any money (see Transfermarkt). Of the ten players who scored at least twice, Bastia only paid money for one of them, Boudebouz; the top three were in on loan (Bruno, Raspentino) and youth team product Khazri. Mickaël Landreau and Julien Sablé are retiring, and many of the key free players – Romaric, Squillaci, Cisse, Modesto - are over 30. Bastia were by no means indiscriminate when recruiting – Claudiu Keserü scored only one in 16 after coming in on a free, and was shunted off to Steaua as surplus to requirements – they were just good. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that as well. The third area where Bastia will not necessarily be looking to improve, but to maintain, is “whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz“. As well as being a canny operator in the market, his results record is undeniable. In his first season, SCB were promoted from National; in his second, they were champions of Ligue 2; in his third, they finished safely twelfth in Ligue 1; in his fourth, they have made the top half. That’s a hell of a challenge – which has been taken up by Claude Makelele.[/p][/quote]Sounds good to me! Only issues are degree of English he has and how he will function in the English game (knowledge of players and characteristics of our game). To be fair, he looks a shrewd operator and I wouldn't be surprised if he knows a lot more about the English game than we expect. I'm sure Bloom will eek this out of him at the interviews if he doesn't volunteer the information himself. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 9

11:05am Thu 5 Jun 14

Eddy B says...

Is it actually hard to learn the English/Championship game? Surely a few videos and a few games in and any manager will realise (like us fans) what we think it takes to get out of this division (I'd include pace, steel, stamina, hardness, .. and dare I say a bit of attractive attacking football and some goals too, oh and not forgetting some budget to get some better players). It's not rocket science.
Is it actually hard to learn the English/Championship game? Surely a few videos and a few games in and any manager will realise (like us fans) what we think it takes to get out of this division (I'd include pace, steel, stamina, hardness, .. and dare I say a bit of attractive attacking football and some goals too, oh and not forgetting some budget to get some better players). It's not rocket science. Eddy B
  • Score: 11

11:14am Thu 5 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income.

Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m

Interest on bank loans might be 5m.

If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division.

Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester.
Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages.
Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages.

I hope that gives you some perspective.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division. Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester. Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages. Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages. I hope that gives you some perspective. Baldseagull
  • Score: 12

11:29am Thu 5 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

pte wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible.

For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance.

Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.
Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs.

What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself.

I don't think so
Name a Championship club that made a profit 2012/13
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible. For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance. Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.[/p][/quote]Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs. What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself. I don't think so[/p][/quote]Name a Championship club that made a profit 2012/13 Baldseagull
  • Score: 3

11:46am Thu 5 Jun 14

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Morecambe and Wise, the two Ronnies, Little and Large, Bloom and Barber ..................Fr
edie Hantz and Reginald Ray.

It's all about the high profile, high calibre duo's.

Oh boy !
Morecambe and Wise, the two Ronnies, Little and Large, Bloom and Barber ..................Fr edie Hantz and Reginald Ray. It's all about the high profile, high calibre duo's. Oh boy ! PressBoxTeaBoy
  • Score: -5

11:58am Thu 5 Jun 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Why oh why are we trying to do something on the cheap once again? There and plenty of better English speaking candidates for sure to consider before this person
Why oh why are we trying to do something on the cheap once again? There and plenty of better English speaking candidates for sure to consider before this person Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: -2

11:59am Thu 5 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

Baldseagull wrote:
pte wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible.

For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance.

Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.
Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs.

What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself.

I don't think so
Name a Championship club that made a profit 2012/13
I think wages are much higher than 5k a week, but we have shed 5-6 who were on 10k plus a week, we are now in a position to rebuild , however if this manager messes up we will have 10 players on 2 year deals, short term savings , could mean long term failure... It is essential we install the correct team to build this squad.
As for wages being 91% of turnover , that's complete madness , I thought barber and Burke were the golden boys of financial dealings? Hardly in my opinion, three years into the Amex and they have got the club in a right mess , that's nothing to do with FFP but basic housekeeping .. Don't spend more than you earn.
Can someone print a fair play table when it's available?
I would bet no clubs made a profit, and most have sold players to get inside the FFP rules...
I think that with the parachute clubs coming down makes in impossible to get out of this division come year 3-4 plus the footballing divide between the championship and premier league will get wider and wider.
All in all not great for football.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible. For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance. Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.[/p][/quote]Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs. What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself. I don't think so[/p][/quote]Name a Championship club that made a profit 2012/13[/p][/quote]I think wages are much higher than 5k a week, but we have shed 5-6 who were on 10k plus a week, we are now in a position to rebuild , however if this manager messes up we will have 10 players on 2 year deals, short term savings , could mean long term failure... It is essential we install the correct team to build this squad. As for wages being 91% of turnover , that's complete madness , I thought barber and Burke were the golden boys of financial dealings? Hardly in my opinion, three years into the Amex and they have got the club in a right mess , that's nothing to do with FFP but basic housekeeping .. Don't spend more than you earn. Can someone print a fair play table when it's available? I would bet no clubs made a profit, and most have sold players to get inside the FFP rules... I think that with the parachute clubs coming down makes in impossible to get out of this division come year 3-4 plus the footballing divide between the championship and premier league will get wider and wider. All in all not great for football. mark by the sea
  • Score: 5

12:07pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Gee Jay says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Guessenomics!
Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte.
How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th
e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of.
I take it your wife looks after the household finances.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Guessenomics! Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte. How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of. I take it your wife looks after the household finances. Gee Jay
  • Score: 9

12:10pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Is he cheap and is he a yes man if so he is ideal for Burke.
Is he cheap and is he a yes man if so he is ideal for Burke. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

12:12pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Baldseagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
pte wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible.

For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance.

Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.
Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs.

What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself.

I don't think so
Name a Championship club that made a profit 2012/13
I think wages are much higher than 5k a week, but we have shed 5-6 who were on 10k plus a week, we are now in a position to rebuild , however if this manager messes up we will have 10 players on 2 year deals, short term savings , could mean long term failure... It is essential we install the correct team to build this squad.
As for wages being 91% of turnover , that's complete madness , I thought barber and Burke were the golden boys of financial dealings? Hardly in my opinion, three years into the Amex and they have got the club in a right mess , that's nothing to do with FFP but basic housekeeping .. Don't spend more than you earn.
Can someone print a fair play table when it's available?
I would bet no clubs made a profit, and most have sold players to get inside the FFP rules...
I think that with the parachute clubs coming down makes in impossible to get out of this division come year 3-4 plus the footballing divide between the championship and premier league will get wider and wider.
All in all not great for football.
http://www.theguardi
an.com/news/datablog
/2014/may/22/champio
nship-club-accounts-
profit-loss-and-the-
wage-bill

This article is more about club debt overall, rather than FFP portions but it shows that those odd clubs that make a profit, are either not very competetive in the division, got cheap loans of high quality from a sister club in Italy, or managed to offload a winger for several Million pounds more than he is worth.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Aside from clubs who made sizeable player sales there's no way anyone in a sizeable stadium (high overheads) got anywhere near break even. It's virtually impossible. For us to have been able to generate the levels of income we have and cut costs at the same time, yet still struggle to comply with FFP means others have no chance. Only the Burnleys and Barnsleys, with modest budgets and lower maintenance and operating costs could perhaps achieve this as they are smaller scale operations.[/p][/quote]Hi Captain, most of the club takeovers are leveraged buyouts. That wouldn't be possible if there was no operating profits within clubs. What you're saying is that a clever businessman who is generally motivated by money and greed is prepared to pay an uneducated cretin 5m a year to kick a leather ball but not take any wages himself and actually lose money! So he thinks the player is more deserving than himself. I don't think so[/p][/quote]Name a Championship club that made a profit 2012/13[/p][/quote]I think wages are much higher than 5k a week, but we have shed 5-6 who were on 10k plus a week, we are now in a position to rebuild , however if this manager messes up we will have 10 players on 2 year deals, short term savings , could mean long term failure... It is essential we install the correct team to build this squad. As for wages being 91% of turnover , that's complete madness , I thought barber and Burke were the golden boys of financial dealings? Hardly in my opinion, three years into the Amex and they have got the club in a right mess , that's nothing to do with FFP but basic housekeeping .. Don't spend more than you earn. Can someone print a fair play table when it's available? I would bet no clubs made a profit, and most have sold players to get inside the FFP rules... I think that with the parachute clubs coming down makes in impossible to get out of this division come year 3-4 plus the footballing divide between the championship and premier league will get wider and wider. All in all not great for football.[/p][/quote]http://www.theguardi an.com/news/datablog /2014/may/22/champio nship-club-accounts- profit-loss-and-the- wage-bill This article is more about club debt overall, rather than FFP portions but it shows that those odd clubs that make a profit, are either not very competetive in the division, got cheap loans of high quality from a sister club in Italy, or managed to offload a winger for several Million pounds more than he is worth. Baldseagull
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

pjwilk wrote:
Is he cheap and is he a yes man if so he is ideal for Burke.
Please NO. We are a big club in the waiting and need to think BIG.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Is he cheap and is he a yes man if so he is ideal for Burke.[/p][/quote]Please NO. We are a big club in the waiting and need to think BIG. Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: -3

12:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co
m/ligue1/article/han
tz-signs-off-at-bast
ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
[quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 8

12:21pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Becktheman wrote:
He is considered a good manager and attracts good players on a tight budget. The French Football Weekly only has praise for him.

Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that one, as well as how to retain the solidity that experience brings while replenishing a peripatetic effectif on a (very) limited budget. Bastia had the oldest squad in Ligue 1 last season, as well as one of the smallest, and their recruitment usually involves a canny series of free-deals and loan moves and not spending any money (see Transfermarkt). Of the ten players who scored at least twice, Bastia only paid money for one of them, Boudebouz; the top three were in on loan (Bruno, Raspentino) and youth team product Khazri. Mickaël Landreau and Julien Sablé are retiring, and many of the key free players – Romaric, Squillaci, Cisse, Modesto - are over 30. Bastia were by no means indiscriminate when recruiting – Claudiu Keserü scored only one in 16 after coming in on a free, and was shunted off to Steaua as surplus to requirements – they were just good. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that as well.

The third area where Bastia will not necessarily be looking to improve, but to maintain, is “whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz“. As well as being a canny operator in the market, his results record is undeniable. In his first season, SCB were promoted from National; in his second, they were champions of Ligue 2; in his third, they finished safely twelfth in Ligue 1; in his fourth, they have made the top half. That’s a hell of a challenge – which has been taken up by Claude Makelele.
It's fair to say that Hantz appears to be a good operator on a tight budget, and he appears to have a shrewed approach to signing new players, but where in his CV does it show that he can bring on young talent.

Hantz might be very able to persuade older and talented players to sign on a free, players that are good for a season or two, but how would his appointment tie in to our new facility and our hopes for what that facility will give us.
Being good at working within a tight budget is one thing but, furthering the performance of our young lads is the most effective way of strethcing a tight budget, nothing I have read says that this is an area where he has shown a good track record.

If Bloom signs him up then so be it, but I have some reservations about Hantz.
[quote][p][bold]Becktheman[/bold] wrote: He is considered a good manager and attracts good players on a tight budget. The French Football Weekly only has praise for him. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that one, as well as how to retain the solidity that experience brings while replenishing a peripatetic effectif on a (very) limited budget. Bastia had the oldest squad in Ligue 1 last season, as well as one of the smallest, and their recruitment usually involves a canny series of free-deals and loan moves and not spending any money (see Transfermarkt). Of the ten players who scored at least twice, Bastia only paid money for one of them, Boudebouz; the top three were in on loan (Bruno, Raspentino) and youth team product Khazri. Mickaël Landreau and Julien Sablé are retiring, and many of the key free players – Romaric, Squillaci, Cisse, Modesto - are over 30. Bastia were by no means indiscriminate when recruiting – Claudiu Keserü scored only one in 16 after coming in on a free, and was shunted off to Steaua as surplus to requirements – they were just good. Whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz will have to think hard about that as well. The third area where Bastia will not necessarily be looking to improve, but to maintain, is “whoever replaces Frédéric Hantz“. As well as being a canny operator in the market, his results record is undeniable. In his first season, SCB were promoted from National; in his second, they were champions of Ligue 2; in his third, they finished safely twelfth in Ligue 1; in his fourth, they have made the top half. That’s a hell of a challenge – which has been taken up by Claude Makelele.[/p][/quote]It's fair to say that Hantz appears to be a good operator on a tight budget, and he appears to have a shrewed approach to signing new players, but where in his CV does it show that he can bring on young talent. Hantz might be very able to persuade older and talented players to sign on a free, players that are good for a season or two, but how would his appointment tie in to our new facility and our hopes for what that facility will give us. Being good at working within a tight budget is one thing but, furthering the performance of our young lads is the most effective way of strethcing a tight budget, nothing I have read says that this is an area where he has shown a good track record. If Bloom signs him up then so be it, but I have some reservations about Hantz. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

12:22pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

It's ridiculous that players who are not good enough to keep a team in the PL should still get paid PL money after they are relegated. This is what parachute payments are designed for. To help clubs survive and to keep the players in clover.
Does anyone know if relegated clubs still get parachute payments if they go straight back up. My guess is no but then that means more money in the PL coffers to spread around the clubs already awash with cash. This 'extra' money really ought to be fed to clubs at the bottom of the pyramid.
The bubble's going to burst sometime. UTA
It's ridiculous that players who are not good enough to keep a team in the PL should still get paid PL money after they are relegated. This is what parachute payments are designed for. To help clubs survive and to keep the players in clover. Does anyone know if relegated clubs still get parachute payments if they go straight back up. My guess is no but then that means more money in the PL coffers to spread around the clubs already awash with cash. This 'extra' money really ought to be fed to clubs at the bottom of the pyramid. The bubble's going to burst sometime. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 11

12:31pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pte says...

Gee Jay wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Guessenomics!
Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte.
How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th

e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of.
I take it your wife looks after the household finances.
I didn't want to go into too much detail in case it gives the brain dead mugs a headache. I'm sure policing costs, transport, rates and office staff can be paid for out of 25m.

BHA are only paying 20% of their turnover to player wages so how can you blame player wages for the apparent trading loss and favour cracking down even further on player wages? You do the maths
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Guessenomics! Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte. How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of. I take it your wife looks after the household finances.[/p][/quote]I didn't want to go into too much detail in case it gives the brain dead mugs a headache. I'm sure policing costs, transport, rates and office staff can be paid for out of 25m. BHA are only paying 20% of their turnover to player wages so how can you blame player wages for the apparent trading loss and favour cracking down even further on player wages? You do the maths pte
  • Score: -6

12:35pm Thu 5 Jun 14

tinker111 says...

thetungsten wrote:
Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?
YES BURKE OUT & NO TO HODDLE
[quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?[/p][/quote]YES BURKE OUT & NO TO HODDLE tinker111
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

When Burke heard he was used to working on a very tight budget his eyes lit up and he could see a bigger bonus coming to him.Keep the club ticking over with no relegation and Burke is a happy bunny.NO MONEY ,NO AMBITION.
When Burke heard he was used to working on a very tight budget his eyes lit up and he could see a bigger bonus coming to him.Keep the club ticking over with no relegation and Burke is a happy bunny.NO MONEY ,NO AMBITION. pjwilk
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
Gee Jay wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Guessenomics!
Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte.
How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th


e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of.
I take it your wife looks after the household finances.
I didn't want to go into too much detail in case it gives the brain dead mugs a headache. I'm sure policing costs, transport, rates and office staff can be paid for out of 25m.

BHA are only paying 20% of their turnover to player wages so how can you blame player wages for the apparent trading loss and favour cracking down even further on player wages? You do the maths
more costs,

medical team wages, flights to northern fixtures, bank transaction charges, groundsmen wages, general stadium repairs and pitch repairs, AITC full time staff wages, insurance, water charges and don't forget the suits wages.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Guessenomics! Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte. How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of. I take it your wife looks after the household finances.[/p][/quote]I didn't want to go into too much detail in case it gives the brain dead mugs a headache. I'm sure policing costs, transport, rates and office staff can be paid for out of 25m. BHA are only paying 20% of their turnover to player wages so how can you blame player wages for the apparent trading loss and favour cracking down even further on player wages? You do the maths[/p][/quote]more costs, medical team wages, flights to northern fixtures, bank transaction charges, groundsmen wages, general stadium repairs and pitch repairs, AITC full time staff wages, insurance, water charges and don't forget the suits wages. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

12:44pm Thu 5 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Talk sport this morning said all teams in championship made a combined loss off 241 million between them, not good that, premiership and sky are killing the teams outside the premiership, in my opinion
Up the Albion!!!!
Talk sport this morning said all teams in championship made a combined loss off 241 million between them, not good that, premiership and sky are killing the teams outside the premiership, in my opinion Up the Albion!!!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 17

12:45pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

tinker111 wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?
YES BURKE OUT & NO TO HODDLE
Yes BURKE OUT OUT OUT. HODDLE NO NO NO.Get Brian McDermott,NOW NOW NOW.
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?[/p][/quote]YES BURKE OUT & NO TO HODDLE[/p][/quote]Yes BURKE OUT OUT OUT. HODDLE NO NO NO.Get Brian McDermott,NOW NOW NOW. pjwilk
  • Score: -3

1:11pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

1:13pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke. pjwilk
  • Score: -2

1:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Thu 5 Jun 14

we5ty says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Something Ive wondered for a while. How can we have the highest gates and all the corporate sponsors/boxes and yet we can compete with Bournemouth and Millwall on wages? Something not adding up...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Something Ive wondered for a while. How can we have the highest gates and all the corporate sponsors/boxes and yet we can compete with Bournemouth and Millwall on wages? Something not adding up... we5ty
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
Yes he would go to a big club,not a small club like us.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.[/p][/quote]Yes he would go to a big club,not a small club like us. pjwilk
  • Score: -6

1:46pm Thu 5 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.[/p][/quote]For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Thu 5 Jun 14

northernseagull says...

We need someone with previous management experience in the English leagues, preferably Championship. Stop trying to bring in foreign coaches who have to learn all the ropes and then leave us just as they start to become useful.

Chris Hughton would be good.
We need someone with previous management experience in the English leagues, preferably Championship. Stop trying to bring in foreign coaches who have to learn all the ropes and then leave us just as they start to become useful. Chris Hughton would be good. northernseagull
  • Score: -6

1:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

SonnyJim55 says...

So it could be Fred Hantz, might as well be Fred Flintstone, at least we have heard of him!
Seriously he may well have got Bastia from French League 3 to their equivalent of the Premier League but, lets be fair, apart from the top few teams in France the rest are pretty poor quality This smacks of getting someone on the cheap.
So it could be Fred Hantz, might as well be Fred Flintstone, at least we have heard of him! Seriously he may well have got Bastia from French League 3 to their equivalent of the Premier League but, lets be fair, apart from the top few teams in France the rest are pretty poor quality This smacks of getting someone on the cheap. SonnyJim55
  • Score: 2

2:04pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.
Fans want a promotion challenge every year, hoping that during one of those years we make it, but does a club always want promotion during a certain period of time.
Taking on Hantz might show ambition for a charge to the top, he has got clubs promoted before, so that could show intent to the fans. Flip side, he is good at working on a tight budget, can you get promoted to the prem on a tight budget, or will that budget keep you in the top 8 of the division.
You are right, we shouldn't spend rediculous sums, sums we appear not to have, but just how, 'tight,' is a tight budget.
When any club states that it has a five year plan to get to the top, but during those five years also says that our budget should allow us to compete for the play-offs, the goals become confusing. Are those at the club releasing just enough funds for transfers to keep us among the challengers, keep the paying fans interested, but not enough to really challenge, are we sticking to the five year plan. It's a balancing act, fans expectations V club's true ambitions and time line.

I predict that who ever gets the job, the club will tell us that he will have a budget that will allow us to challenge.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.[/p][/quote]For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.[/p][/quote]Fans want a promotion challenge every year, hoping that during one of those years we make it, but does a club always want promotion during a certain period of time. Taking on Hantz might show ambition for a charge to the top, he has got clubs promoted before, so that could show intent to the fans. Flip side, he is good at working on a tight budget, can you get promoted to the prem on a tight budget, or will that budget keep you in the top 8 of the division. You are right, we shouldn't spend rediculous sums, sums we appear not to have, but just how, 'tight,' is a tight budget. When any club states that it has a five year plan to get to the top, but during those five years also says that our budget should allow us to compete for the play-offs, the goals become confusing. Are those at the club releasing just enough funds for transfers to keep us among the challengers, keep the paying fans interested, but not enough to really challenge, are we sticking to the five year plan. It's a balancing act, fans expectations V club's true ambitions and time line. I predict that who ever gets the job, the club will tell us that he will have a budget that will allow us to challenge. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

2:06pm Thu 5 Jun 14

rolivan says...

I watch a lot of Football in France and it isn't as bad as some make out,Alan Pardew brought over quite a few last year . I think with his contacts and knowledge he would be a good acquisition Koszielny came out of obscurity just a few years ago and now he is a regular in the France Squad and Arsenal.
I watch a lot of Football in France and it isn't as bad as some make out,Alan Pardew brought over quite a few last year . I think with his contacts and knowledge he would be a good acquisition Koszielny came out of obscurity just a few years ago and now he is a regular in the France Squad and Arsenal. rolivan
  • Score: 6

2:24pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view.
I'm glad we didn't get him
One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view. I'm glad we didn't get him One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 6

2:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ballantrrae says...

Gee Jay wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Guessenomics!
Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte.
How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th

e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of.
I take it your wife looks after the household finances.
At a recent meeting David Jones (Finance Director) indicated that BHA's turnover was about £23 million and that £19 million was spent on non playing expenses and about £17 million on the playing side (in total). So it is not too difficult to see how the £13/14 million loss quoted was generated. Since there is only a limited amount of scope to cut costs the main potential for the club to balance its books is (obviously) to increase revenue.
The quickest way is through sponsorship but the other avenues that the Albion iscurrently pursuing eg the Hotel plus the Student Accommodation projects are sensible potential long term sources of income.
Talking of Sponsorship I thought that the Albion were going to announce around now who the sponsor of the new Academy/Training facility they have secured is. Has anybody heard anything on the grapevine ?
Also I was expecting our new 'team strip' from Nike to be launched at the beginning of June. Again no news.
Is it possible that the appointment of a new Manager is holding everything up (not just player recruitment or new contracts - I saw a rumour that LuaLua might be joining Millwall.) ?
Thoughts anyone ?
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Guessenomics! Methinks you are missing out some vital outgoings here pte. How about business rates, salaries for full and part time staff, policing costs,rail and bus transport costs, company vehicles, advertising, I T services and support, electricity, scouting, agents fees, accountancy fees, legal expences..........th e list goes on, there must be loads more outgoings I can't even think of. I take it your wife looks after the household finances.[/p][/quote]At a recent meeting David Jones (Finance Director) indicated that BHA's turnover was about £23 million and that £19 million was spent on non playing expenses and about £17 million on the playing side (in total). So it is not too difficult to see how the £13/14 million loss quoted was generated. Since there is only a limited amount of scope to cut costs the main potential for the club to balance its books is (obviously) to increase revenue. The quickest way is through sponsorship but the other avenues that the Albion iscurrently pursuing eg the Hotel plus the Student Accommodation projects are sensible potential long term sources of income. Talking of Sponsorship I thought that the Albion were going to announce around now who the sponsor of the new Academy/Training facility they have secured is. Has anybody heard anything on the grapevine ? Also I was expecting our new 'team strip' from Nike to be launched at the beginning of June. Again no news. Is it possible that the appointment of a new Manager is holding everything up (not just player recruitment or new contracts - I saw a rumour that LuaLua might be joining Millwall.) ? Thoughts anyone ? ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

2:36pm Thu 5 Jun 14

East of CrawleyDown says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
East of CrawleyDown wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.
Fans want a promotion challenge every year, hoping that during one of those years we make it, but does a club always want promotion during a certain period of time.
Taking on Hantz might show ambition for a charge to the top, he has got clubs promoted before, so that could show intent to the fans. Flip side, he is good at working on a tight budget, can you get promoted to the prem on a tight budget, or will that budget keep you in the top 8 of the division.
You are right, we shouldn't spend rediculous sums, sums we appear not to have, but just how, 'tight,' is a tight budget.
When any club states that it has a five year plan to get to the top, but during those five years also says that our budget should allow us to compete for the play-offs, the goals become confusing. Are those at the club releasing just enough funds for transfers to keep us among the challengers, keep the paying fans interested, but not enough to really challenge, are we sticking to the five year plan. It's a balancing act, fans expectations V club's true ambitions and time line.

I predict that who ever gets the job, the club will tell us that he will have a budget that will allow us to challenge.
Challenge for what though? Last season we were challenging for sixth place, it would be good to see us actually challenging the automatic places.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.[/p][/quote]For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.[/p][/quote]Fans want a promotion challenge every year, hoping that during one of those years we make it, but does a club always want promotion during a certain period of time. Taking on Hantz might show ambition for a charge to the top, he has got clubs promoted before, so that could show intent to the fans. Flip side, he is good at working on a tight budget, can you get promoted to the prem on a tight budget, or will that budget keep you in the top 8 of the division. You are right, we shouldn't spend rediculous sums, sums we appear not to have, but just how, 'tight,' is a tight budget. When any club states that it has a five year plan to get to the top, but during those five years also says that our budget should allow us to compete for the play-offs, the goals become confusing. Are those at the club releasing just enough funds for transfers to keep us among the challengers, keep the paying fans interested, but not enough to really challenge, are we sticking to the five year plan. It's a balancing act, fans expectations V club's true ambitions and time line. I predict that who ever gets the job, the club will tell us that he will have a budget that will allow us to challenge.[/p][/quote]Challenge for what though? Last season we were challenging for sixth place, it would be good to see us actually challenging the automatic places. East of CrawleyDown
  • Score: -2

2:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pte says...

Baldseagull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income.

Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m

Interest on bank loans might be 5m.

If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division.

Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester.
Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages.
Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages.

I hope that gives you some perspective.
Since then the stadium has expanded 30% along with other revenues. A wage bill of 21m equates to an average wage of 20k, some earning a lot less and some earning a lot more.

If the wage bill has been kept at that level and assuming a conservative 30% increase in turnover from increased capacity, increased prices and commercial development, then the wage bill will only be about 65% of turnover.

Clubs can do a Cardiff or a Leicester and exceed their turnover for a year or two financed by money put away in previous years. That is the only way it can be done. No chairman will risk his personal wealth, but clubs make so much money year in year out, they can afford to push the boat out now and again
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division. Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester. Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages. Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages. I hope that gives you some perspective.[/p][/quote]Since then the stadium has expanded 30% along with other revenues. A wage bill of 21m equates to an average wage of 20k, some earning a lot less and some earning a lot more. If the wage bill has been kept at that level and assuming a conservative 30% increase in turnover from increased capacity, increased prices and commercial development, then the wage bill will only be about 65% of turnover. Clubs can do a Cardiff or a Leicester and exceed their turnover for a year or two financed by money put away in previous years. That is the only way it can be done. No chairman will risk his personal wealth, but clubs make so much money year in year out, they can afford to push the boat out now and again pte
  • Score: -4

2:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co

m/ligue1/article/han

tz-signs-off-at-bast

ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
I agree and in fact this appointment is almost certainly THE most important of TB's reign.

We have come to a key juncture in our development and progression. Get this appointment significantly wrong and we move into the situation where crowd numbers could start to dwindle pointedly and momentum will have ground to a halt.

Personally I don't think that will happen as TB is being meticulous in his research and 'interrogation' of candidates.

The next appointment must be our Mullery Part Two incumbent (not the REAL Mullery I hasten to add!!!).
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.[/p][/quote]I agree and in fact this appointment is almost certainly THE most important of TB's reign. We have come to a key juncture in our development and progression. Get this appointment significantly wrong and we move into the situation where crowd numbers could start to dwindle pointedly and momentum will have ground to a halt. Personally I don't think that will happen as TB is being meticulous in his research and 'interrogation' of candidates. The next appointment must be our Mullery Part Two incumbent (not the REAL Mullery I hasten to add!!!). Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 3

3:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

pjwilk wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
thetungsten wrote:
Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?
YES BURKE OUT & NO TO HODDLE
Yes BURKE OUT OUT OUT. HODDLE NO NO NO.Get Brian McDermott,NOW NOW NOW.
Era, no no no to everything you are saying (well, shouting actually).
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thetungsten[/bold] wrote: Anyone fancy backing a "get Glenn Hoddle in" and "Get Burke out" campaign?[/p][/quote]YES BURKE OUT & NO TO HODDLE[/p][/quote]Yes BURKE OUT OUT OUT. HODDLE NO NO NO.Get Brian McDermott,NOW NOW NOW.[/p][/quote]Era, no no no to everything you are saying (well, shouting actually). Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 5

3:25pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

pte wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income.

Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m

Interest on bank loans might be 5m.

If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division.

Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester.
Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages.
Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages.

I hope that gives you some perspective.
Since then the stadium has expanded 30% along with other revenues. A wage bill of 21m equates to an average wage of 20k, some earning a lot less and some earning a lot more.

If the wage bill has been kept at that level and assuming a conservative 30% increase in turnover from increased capacity, increased prices and commercial development, then the wage bill will only be about 65% of turnover.

Clubs can do a Cardiff or a Leicester and exceed their turnover for a year or two financed by money put away in previous years. That is the only way it can be done. No chairman will risk his personal wealth, but clubs make so much money year in year out, they can afford to push the boat out now and again
I may be wrong, and probably am, but do not the wages related to our manager and his entire staff also get calculated into the playing wage bill?
Operational costs are largey incurred thru the players wages but there are a whole bunch of others that are a direct cost attached ot those players being on the park. Manager, Assistant Manager, all of the coaches and phsyos.

Spell check, 'phsyos.'
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division. Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester. Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages. Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages. I hope that gives you some perspective.[/p][/quote]Since then the stadium has expanded 30% along with other revenues. A wage bill of 21m equates to an average wage of 20k, some earning a lot less and some earning a lot more. If the wage bill has been kept at that level and assuming a conservative 30% increase in turnover from increased capacity, increased prices and commercial development, then the wage bill will only be about 65% of turnover. Clubs can do a Cardiff or a Leicester and exceed their turnover for a year or two financed by money put away in previous years. That is the only way it can be done. No chairman will risk his personal wealth, but clubs make so much money year in year out, they can afford to push the boat out now and again[/p][/quote]I may be wrong, and probably am, but do not the wages related to our manager and his entire staff also get calculated into the playing wage bill? Operational costs are largey incurred thru the players wages but there are a whole bunch of others that are a direct cost attached ot those players being on the park. Manager, Assistant Manager, all of the coaches and phsyos. Spell check, 'phsyos.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

3:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
Yup, break the wage structure to satisfy a greedy player and upset the status quo amongst current squad.

Get the club quickly into a financial mess as getting Grabban is the first of many - "once you pop you can't stop" and we're away to League Two and bankruptcy.

Yes, let's do that.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]Yup, break the wage structure to satisfy a greedy player and upset the status quo amongst current squad. Get the club quickly into a financial mess as getting Grabban is the first of many - "once you pop you can't stop" and we're away to League Two and bankruptcy. Yes, let's do that. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 6

3:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Most interesting fact was that he resigned his last position due to a disagreement with The President over the structure of his coaching staff - since repeating patterns will always conitue to repeat UNTIL someone wakes up and does something different.

Perhaps this is our chance for the people at the gop to do something different - otherwise it could be the same psttern repeating.

I like what they describe as his interesting innovative methods. Shows hes open minded - great sign!!!!
Most interesting fact was that he resigned his last position due to a disagreement with The President over the structure of his coaching staff - since repeating patterns will always conitue to repeat UNTIL someone wakes up and does something different. Perhaps this is our chance for the people at the gop to do something different - otherwise it could be the same psttern repeating. I like what they describe as his interesting innovative methods. Shows hes open minded - great sign!!!! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 5

3:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Mancgulled says...

you cant argue with statistics - no he has no experience of the English game - but he has secured double promotions on a budget that I doubt is as lavish as he will get from Mr. Bloom -- and he wil know players that he couldn't afford that he will be able to in future -- sounds promising to me!
you cant argue with statistics - no he has no experience of the English game - but he has secured double promotions on a budget that I doubt is as lavish as he will get from Mr. Bloom -- and he wil know players that he couldn't afford that he will be able to in future -- sounds promising to me! Mancgulled
  • Score: 7

3:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

we5ty wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
Something Ive wondered for a while. How can we have the highest gates and all the corporate sponsors/boxes and yet we can compete with Bournemouth and Millwall on wages? Something not adding up...
Indeed. It's called Bournemouth's books....they will fail FFP.

Millwall on the other hand simply offered our targetted defender first team football I'd assume. We wouldn't have guaranteed him that as he was to fill the ElAbd standby vacancy - the player would have been all too aware that he wouldn't get a start unless both Upson and Greer were sidelined and even then he wouldn't have long term prospects with us if we went up.
[quote][p][bold]we5ty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]Something Ive wondered for a while. How can we have the highest gates and all the corporate sponsors/boxes and yet we can compete with Bournemouth and Millwall on wages? Something not adding up...[/p][/quote]Indeed. It's called Bournemouth's books....they will fail FFP. Millwall on the other hand simply offered our targetted defender first team football I'd assume. We wouldn't have guaranteed him that as he was to fill the ElAbd standby vacancy - the player would have been all too aware that he wouldn't get a start unless both Upson and Greer were sidelined and even then he wouldn't have long term prospects with us if we went up. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

pjwilk wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
Yes he would go to a big club,not a small club like us.
Oh are you a Pompey fan? Should've said! ;)
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.[/p][/quote]Yes he would go to a big club,not a small club like us.[/p][/quote]Oh are you a Pompey fan? Should've said! ;) Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 5

3:35pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bug eye says...

Yeovil manager in Brighton last weekend, he has a good promotion record lots of tv exposure and used to manage the Latvian national team, hhmmmmm. or maybe he was just on a day trip.
Yeovil manager in Brighton last weekend, he has a good promotion record lots of tv exposure and used to manage the Latvian national team, hhmmmmm. or maybe he was just on a day trip. bug eye
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

East of CrawleyDown wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.
But it's the splurging of ridiculous sums of money that is required to mount the serious promotion challenge you mention. Burnleys and Blackpools are the extremely rare exceptions rather than the rule.

That's why a figure like Hantz is in the frame. Potential shrewd-budgeted on-field success.
[quote][p][bold]East of CrawleyDown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.[/p][/quote]For our club with what should have so much to offer, the fact that we barely have been mentioned in connection with a Hughton, a Sherwood, a Malcky Mac, a McDermott etc, a month or so since Oscar walked, really concerns me and frankly disappoints me. As I said before, we appear to be going for a shoestring budget approach when really and truly we shouldn't need to be. Whilst I don't want us splurging ridiculous sums of money on managers and players, I do expect enough to be available so that we can employ the personnel we need to get us a serious promotion and we just seem to be holding back all the time and that won't get us to the premier league.[/p][/quote]But it's the splurging of ridiculous sums of money that is required to mount the serious promotion challenge you mention. Burnleys and Blackpools are the extremely rare exceptions rather than the rule. That's why a figure like Hantz is in the frame. Potential shrewd-budgeted on-field success. Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 6

3:47pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Park by the sea says...

Another day and another name…. whats tomorrow's ? Rolf Harris is bookie's favorite to take over!!!

I hear he is good with the development squad ;-D
Another day and another name…. whats tomorrow's ? Rolf Harris is bookie's favorite to take over!!! I hear he is good with the development squad ;-D Park by the sea
  • Score: -6

4:05pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
Are you privy to who has applied and who the club has approached and who has been back for second interviews because The Argus certainly don't know, the usual 'in the know' posters on NSC don't know, the usual 'ITK' posters on here don't know?

As for what puts Hyppia and Hantz ahead of 'big names', who knows?
Maybe Tony Bloom thinks that they simply don't fit The Albion?

I've said it before: It is possible that the applicants didn't turn us down and they were rejected.

It is frustrating for Albion fans but I'm happy that there has been no leaking of applicants' names. I can wait for the official announcement.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.[/p][/quote]Are you privy to who has applied and who the club has approached and who has been back for second interviews because The Argus certainly don't know, the usual 'in the know' posters on NSC don't know, the usual 'ITK' posters on here don't know? As for what puts Hyppia and Hantz ahead of 'big names', who knows? Maybe Tony Bloom thinks that they simply don't fit The Albion? I've said it before: It is possible that the applicants didn't turn us down and they were rejected. It is frustrating for Albion fans but I'm happy that there has been no leaking of applicants' names. I can wait for the official announcement. Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 5

4:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Sky are reporting that Leicester have triggered the release clause in Cardiff striker Frazier Campbell's contract, so they know of his release clause but apparently don't know of the suggested 7 million trigger for Ulloa, why offer just 5 million if they knew. Suggests to me that Ulloa does not have a trigger clause.

Maybe if Leicester get lucky with their offer for Capmbell they will drop their interest in Leo. Hope so.
Sky are reporting that Leicester have triggered the release clause in Cardiff striker Frazier Campbell's contract, so they know of his release clause but apparently don't know of the suggested 7 million trigger for Ulloa, why offer just 5 million if they knew. Suggests to me that Ulloa does not have a trigger clause. Maybe if Leicester get lucky with their offer for Capmbell they will drop their interest in Leo. Hope so. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

4:28pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Heard there are two more in the running ,they are Knees and Boomps-a -daisy.
Heard there are two more in the running ,they are Knees and Boomps-a -daisy. pjwilk
  • Score: -6

4:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Grabban going to Norwich for three million. It's an overpay compared to his valuation six months ago but he's going to make them better, no doubt. Perhaps we should have made him a better offer in January?
Grabban going to Norwich for three million. It's an overpay compared to his valuation six months ago but he's going to make them better, no doubt. Perhaps we should have made him a better offer in January? bruce beckett
  • Score: -4

4:48pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview.
Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned.

I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post.
I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.
Are you privy to who has applied and who the club has approached and who has been back for second interviews because The Argus certainly don't know, the usual 'in the know' posters on NSC don't know, the usual 'ITK' posters on here don't know?

As for what puts Hyppia and Hantz ahead of 'big names', who knows?
Maybe Tony Bloom thinks that they simply don't fit The Albion?

I've said it before: It is possible that the applicants didn't turn us down and they were rejected.

It is frustrating for Albion fans but I'm happy that there has been no leaking of applicants' names. I can wait for the official announcement.
Aye aye Cap'n, I agree.
I believe there's as much likelihood of us doing our due diligence correctly and coming up with names that those of us not involved would never dream about, as there is a stream of 'big names' rejecting an offer.
Which side of the fence you want to sit, depends on whether you're prepared to accept that we might be undergoing a thoroughly professional search, or whether you expect TB to operate like he's playing a computer game.
What is a 'big name' anyway? Sometimes the criteria on here is; "I've heard of him, his face is familiar, therefore he must be good."
Just because i haven't heard of Fred Hantz until now, doesn't make him a poor manager and equally, it doesn't automatically mean that we might've found someone who'll do as he's told and spend next to nothing.
Yep, he could turn out to be this Albion's Pepe Mel, but as of now, the only ones who are closest to the truth are the blokes at The Amex who've undoubtedly been looking at this from every angle.
As you say, it is frustrating, but the longer it goes on, the more my expectation is that they'll pick the right bloke for THIS club.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If we are at a point where second interviews are going on, and as a result Hantz gets the job, did we not offer the post to others, or did they walk away after the first interview. Does Hantz bring more to the table than Hughton or McDermott or did both pull themselves out of the running, did they even talk to the club. Are we down to just the final two, Hyypia or Hantz, if we are, what is it about either of them that puts them ahead of other applicants who really did want the job. You can take out the big names, Sherwood, Clement and others, they might be waiting for better chances later on, but surely there were others that we have not seen mentioned. I am not saying that Hyypia or Hantz can't do a good job for us, although I am not too keen on Hantz, but I do wonder how we came to these two guys being what seems to be the last two in the frame for the post. I guess most will say it's the fault of the budget, and with the Hantz being touted as very good with a tight budget, perhaps they are right. At least when Hyypia came to the fore there were one or two articles about how he likes his team to play, with Hantz nothing on that front.[/p][/quote]Are you privy to who has applied and who the club has approached and who has been back for second interviews because The Argus certainly don't know, the usual 'in the know' posters on NSC don't know, the usual 'ITK' posters on here don't know? As for what puts Hyppia and Hantz ahead of 'big names', who knows? Maybe Tony Bloom thinks that they simply don't fit The Albion? I've said it before: It is possible that the applicants didn't turn us down and they were rejected. It is frustrating for Albion fans but I'm happy that there has been no leaking of applicants' names. I can wait for the official announcement.[/p][/quote]Aye aye Cap'n, I agree. I believe there's as much likelihood of us doing our due diligence correctly and coming up with names that those of us not involved would never dream about, as there is a stream of 'big names' rejecting an offer. Which side of the fence you want to sit, depends on whether you're prepared to accept that we might be undergoing a thoroughly professional search, or whether you expect TB to operate like he's playing a computer game. What is a 'big name' anyway? Sometimes the criteria on here is; "I've heard of him, his face is familiar, therefore he must be good." Just because i haven't heard of Fred Hantz until now, doesn't make him a poor manager and equally, it doesn't automatically mean that we might've found someone who'll do as he's told and spend next to nothing. Yep, he could turn out to be this Albion's Pepe Mel, but as of now, the only ones who are closest to the truth are the blokes at The Amex who've undoubtedly been looking at this from every angle. As you say, it is frustrating, but the longer it goes on, the more my expectation is that they'll pick the right bloke for THIS club. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

5:01pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

pte wrote:
Baldseagull wrote:
pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income.

Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m

Interest on bank loans might be 5m.

If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages
Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division.

Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester.
Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages.
Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages.

I hope that gives you some perspective.
Since then the stadium has expanded 30% along with other revenues. A wage bill of 21m equates to an average wage of 20k, some earning a lot less and some earning a lot more.

If the wage bill has been kept at that level and assuming a conservative 30% increase in turnover from increased capacity, increased prices and commercial development, then the wage bill will only be about 65% of turnover.

Clubs can do a Cardiff or a Leicester and exceed their turnover for a year or two financed by money put away in previous years. That is the only way it can be done. No chairman will risk his personal wealth, but clubs make so much money year in year out, they can afford to push the boat out now and again
The clue is in your last sentence. Clubs do not make 'so much money year in, year out'. Their turnover may be high, but most do not make a profit.
Which leads me to your point on turnover itself. Expanding the stadium by 30% does not increase turnover by 30% If the stadium is full it potentially increases attendance income by 30% but not anything else. Sponsorship revenue may show a slight increase, but in last year's figures, TV revenue was actually down so this 30% increase in turnover suggestion doesn't work.
And of the 30% extra bums on seats, perhaps only 10% of them will bother buying a beer, hot dog etc, so match day revenue doesn't rise by 30% either.
All of which explains a wage bill of 90% of turnover rather than the 65% you suggest with your sums.
Sorry to bang on about financials, but at times it seems, people think that running a football club is easy. It clearly isn't.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]You do the maths: TV money 5m, gate receipts 20m, catering, sponsorship 5m = 30m total income. Average Championship wage 250k x 20 man squad = 5m Interest on bank loans might be 5m. If total income is 30m and the loss is 15m that means they are spending 45m a year. What are they spending the money on because it certainly isn't player wages[/p][/quote]Wages were £21M, 90% of turnover in 2012/13 season. This was about the same as Forest for that season and eighth highest in the division. Five of the teams spending more on wages were receiving Parachute Payments, the other two were Cardiff and Leicester. Cardiff spent 190% of turnover on wages. Leicester spent 133% of turnover on wages. I hope that gives you some perspective.[/p][/quote]Since then the stadium has expanded 30% along with other revenues. A wage bill of 21m equates to an average wage of 20k, some earning a lot less and some earning a lot more. If the wage bill has been kept at that level and assuming a conservative 30% increase in turnover from increased capacity, increased prices and commercial development, then the wage bill will only be about 65% of turnover. Clubs can do a Cardiff or a Leicester and exceed their turnover for a year or two financed by money put away in previous years. That is the only way it can be done. No chairman will risk his personal wealth, but clubs make so much money year in year out, they can afford to push the boat out now and again[/p][/quote]The clue is in your last sentence. Clubs do not make 'so much money year in, year out'. Their turnover may be high, but most do not make a profit. Which leads me to your point on turnover itself. Expanding the stadium by 30% does not increase turnover by 30% If the stadium is full it potentially increases attendance income by 30% but not anything else. Sponsorship revenue may show a slight increase, but in last year's figures, TV revenue was actually down so this 30% increase in turnover suggestion doesn't work. And of the 30% extra bums on seats, perhaps only 10% of them will bother buying a beer, hot dog etc, so match day revenue doesn't rise by 30% either. All of which explains a wage bill of 90% of turnover rather than the 65% you suggest with your sums. Sorry to bang on about financials, but at times it seems, people think that running a football club is easy. It clearly isn't. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

5:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

jimbo1234 says...

I agree with thetungsten comment above. A good post. thetungsten wrote:
Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach.

Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career.

He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters.

After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007.

In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues.

WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF!

SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!What is going on at Albion.


Check HANTZ on line. Done nothing, never likely to do anything. Where do Brighton get these candidates from. Oscar GARCIA was very much under qualified and showed no commitment. It was the players who were responsible for reaching the play offs. Garcia knew this. Please don't do it again.
I agree with thetungsten comment above. A good post. thetungsten wrote: Frédéric Hantz was born on May 30, 1966 in Rodez. He is a former French footballer and Bastia head coach. Hantz began his playing career in Rodez AF which then played in the third division. Later, he played in a higher league for Clermont Foot, FC Istres and FC Metz. In 1993, the future coach joined OGC Nice after which he joined Les Chamois. In 1997, he returned to Rodez AF to play in the fourth division and eventually finish his playing career. He took the helm of his last club and in 2002 he became ESA Brive head coach. There he made it to the 2004 French cup quarterfinal where he lost to PSG. In 2004, Frederic was invited to Le Mans. There he used his new interesting methods such as jogging at 6 am, playing in the dark and players dancing for supporters. After a couple successful seasons he decided he was ready to take the helm in Sochaux. But there he failed in the UEFA Cup and Championship due to which he was fired on December 12, 2007. In April 2008, Hantz got a coaching certificate and on December 18, 2008 he became Le Havre AC head coach to finish last in the championship. The coach’s next haven was SC Bastia which he helped to win the second national division in 2011. It all brought him acknowledgement of numerous supporters and colleagues. WHAT THE DUCK IS GOING ON AT THIS CLUB- SERIOUSLY!! THIS GUY IS NOT 1ST, 2ND, 3RD, 4TH, 5TH OR 6TH CHOICE I BET- THERE ARE NO SHORTAGE OF AVAILABLE MANAGERS- AND WITH A STADIUM TO DIE FOR WITH THE HIGHEST AVERAGE ATTENDANCES IN THE LEAGUE, WITH A NEW ALL SINGING DANCING ACADEMY TO BOOT THE BEST WE CAN DO IS AN UNKNOWN FRENCH MAN THAT NO ONE AS HEARD OF! SHAMBLES SPRINGS TO MIND!What is going on at Albion. Check HANTZ on line. Done nothing, never likely to do anything. Where do Brighton get these candidates from. Oscar GARCIA was very much under qualified and showed no commitment. It was the players who were responsible for reaching the play offs. Garcia knew this. Please don't do it again. jimbo1234
  • Score: 1

6:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bruce beckett says...

Boy, there are some strange people on this site. Who in their right mind could say: "I'm glad we didn't sign Grabban."

Not only would he be worth three times the amount we paid for him now, but he might have helped us reach the Premier League.

This is one of the reasons why, despite our fantastic support and our superb ground, Brighton and Hove Albion FC is not yet (and may never be) a 'big club'. Too many people connected with the club still think 'small'.
Boy, there are some strange people on this site. Who in their right mind could say: "I'm glad we didn't sign Grabban." Not only would he be worth three times the amount we paid for him now, but he might have helped us reach the Premier League. This is one of the reasons why, despite our fantastic support and our superb ground, Brighton and Hove Albion FC is not yet (and may never be) a 'big club'. Too many people connected with the club still think 'small'. bruce beckett
  • Score: 3

6:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Hantz is favourite to take over from Hubert Fournier at Ligue 1 side Reims, according to sources in France.
Hyypia is also a target for West Brom, who are at the same stage as us in their search for a new Manager. They hope to narrow their search down to a final three, before making a decision early next week.
If our candidates are also in for the other Albion job, we are not going to hear anything before then.
Whether Hantz or Hyypia are good enough for us is not going to be an issue, if they get the opportunity to manage teams in the top flight.
Hantz is favourite to take over from Hubert Fournier at Ligue 1 side Reims, according to sources in France. Hyypia is also a target for West Brom, who are at the same stage as us in their search for a new Manager. They hope to narrow their search down to a final three, before making a decision early next week. If our candidates are also in for the other Albion job, we are not going to hear anything before then. Whether Hantz or Hyypia are good enough for us is not going to be an issue, if they get the opportunity to manage teams in the top flight. gordongull
  • Score: 4

6:48pm Thu 5 Jun 14

the taffster says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
the taffster wrote:
Why appoint another foreign coach....? What's wrong with Clarke,Hughton ,Sherwood etc? They know what it takes to gain promotion from the championship.... Which I would consider to be of up most importance if that's what we want....I think the fans do want that sooner rather than later....I honestly don't think Tony bloom does though....we've had 2 foreign coaches and that hasn't worked...now he's trying to employ a third....also what has Sammy hypia done in football management? Just get hughton in....he knows the championship and premiership inside out and can wheel and deal...
2 foreign coaches and it hasn't worked?
I think play off semi finals 2 years running means it has worked to a degree.
It's the system run by the suits that hasn't worked. UTA
I would consider the play offs a minimum requirement for any bha manager.. After all we have a capable squad.....each time we have reached them we've been overawed by average opposition..... The first occasion we lost the replay against palace after poyet told the squad before the game at the amex he won't be the manager next season....would you say that's a motivational team talk by poyet? I wouldn't.....when we got to the replay this time against derby Oscar told the press and players that derby have beaten us twice already this season......would you say that was motivational....? I wouldn't..they went into the replay looking a beaten side.....so I would say no,foreign managers is the last 2 have not worked..
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Why appoint another foreign coach....? What's wrong with Clarke,Hughton ,Sherwood etc? They know what it takes to gain promotion from the championship.... Which I would consider to be of up most importance if that's what we want....I think the fans do want that sooner rather than later....I honestly don't think Tony bloom does though....we've had 2 foreign coaches and that hasn't worked...now he's trying to employ a third....also what has Sammy hypia done in football management? Just get hughton in....he knows the championship and premiership inside out and can wheel and deal...[/p][/quote]2 foreign coaches and it hasn't worked? I think play off semi finals 2 years running means it has worked to a degree. It's the system run by the suits that hasn't worked. UTA[/p][/quote]I would consider the play offs a minimum requirement for any bha manager.. After all we have a capable squad.....each time we have reached them we've been overawed by average opposition..... The first occasion we lost the replay against palace after poyet told the squad before the game at the amex he won't be the manager next season....would you say that's a motivational team talk by poyet? I wouldn't.....when we got to the replay this time against derby Oscar told the press and players that derby have beaten us twice already this season......would you say that was motivational....? I wouldn't..they went into the replay looking a beaten side.....so I would say no,foreign managers is the last 2 have not worked.. the taffster
  • Score: -3

7:02pm Thu 5 Jun 14

OldGull says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co

m/ligue1/article/han

tz-signs-off-at-bast

ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
Totally agree Cap'n.

You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use

I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish

Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Cap'n. You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision. OldGull
  • Score: -2

7:09pm Thu 5 Jun 14

namgo49 says...

I see my last post is running at -15. So here are some more positives to chew on. This guy has never even played in this country so has absolutely jack knowledge of the leagues, the culture, what is required in terms of quality for success. I see he managed for years with some eccentric practices when he did not even have his badges. He has got to settle in domestically and do a very demanding job from day 1 with little quality support from within the club.

He has a squad which is in real decline, which will decline further with the imminent departure of Ulloa. There is little prospect of any quality additions to the squad with the recruitment personnel and apparent lack of budget we are blessed with at the club.

Where are the quality candidates Barber was on about? It would not surprise me if they have all been frightened off with the management set up we have here.

With what we know to be fact and what has some possibility of being correct, then we are in for some bleak days ahead. On the face of it the club seem to have managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of success!!
I see my last post is running at -15. So here are some more positives to chew on. This guy has never even played in this country so has absolutely jack knowledge of the leagues, the culture, what is required in terms of quality for success. I see he managed for years with some eccentric practices when he did not even have his badges. He has got to settle in domestically and do a very demanding job from day 1 with little quality support from within the club. He has a squad which is in real decline, which will decline further with the imminent departure of Ulloa. There is little prospect of any quality additions to the squad with the recruitment personnel and apparent lack of budget we are blessed with at the club. Where are the quality candidates Barber was on about? It would not surprise me if they have all been frightened off with the management set up we have here. With what we know to be fact and what has some possibility of being correct, then we are in for some bleak days ahead. On the face of it the club seem to have managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of success!! namgo49
  • Score: -5

7:13pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose
13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ?
I would like to see the FFP league table lol
The Reason Mr Car park Burke
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how we are mid table wages, but we have the highest gate charges, highest gates, new stadium meaning less maintenance , the stadium is used nearly every day for something or other . And we lose 13 million? On that basis did any club in championship break even ? I would like to see the FFP league table lol[/p][/quote]The Reason Mr Car park Burke Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -3

7:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

andyp123 says...

Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co

m/ligue1/article/han

tz-signs-off-at-bast

ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
Chillax, Captain.
[quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.[/p][/quote]Chillax, Captain. andyp123
  • Score: 2

7:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

namgo49 says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Boy, there are some strange people on this site. Who in their right mind could say: "I'm glad we didn't sign Grabban."

Not only would he be worth three times the amount we paid for him now, but he might have helped us reach the Premier League.

This is one of the reasons why, despite our fantastic support and our superb ground, Brighton and Hove Albion FC is not yet (and may never be) a 'big club'. Too many people connected with the club still think 'small'.
On the subject of Grabban and the price everyone expects to get for Ulloa, who scored the most goals and has just gone to Norwich for, no doubt, his buy out clause of £3 mill. And there are many who think we should not sell Ulloa for less than £10 mill. Dream on!!
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Boy, there are some strange people on this site. Who in their right mind could say: "I'm glad we didn't sign Grabban." Not only would he be worth three times the amount we paid for him now, but he might have helped us reach the Premier League. This is one of the reasons why, despite our fantastic support and our superb ground, Brighton and Hove Albion FC is not yet (and may never be) a 'big club'. Too many people connected with the club still think 'small'.[/p][/quote]On the subject of Grabban and the price everyone expects to get for Ulloa, who scored the most goals and has just gone to Norwich for, no doubt, his buy out clause of £3 mill. And there are many who think we should not sell Ulloa for less than £10 mill. Dream on!! namgo49
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Sorry deleted a line some how as was sending, should be as follows
reason Mr Car park Barber and his side kick Burke
Sorry deleted a line some how as was sending, should be as follows reason Mr Car park Barber and his side kick Burke Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -2

7:34pm Thu 5 Jun 14

namgo49 says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view.
I'm glad we didn't get him
One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA
How does limited talent get you the 4th spot in highest goal scorer. Flooked it week in, week out?
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view. I'm glad we didn't get him One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA[/p][/quote]How does limited talent get you the 4th spot in highest goal scorer. Flooked it week in, week out? namgo49
  • Score: -4

7:52pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ringtone says...

OldGull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co


m/ligue1/article/han


tz-signs-off-at-bast


ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
Totally agree Cap'n.

You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use

I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish

Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.
You are Pathetic
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Cap'n. You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.[/p][/quote]You are Pathetic ringtone
  • Score: -4

7:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ringtone says...

namgo49 wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view.
I'm glad we didn't get him
One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA
How does limited talent get you the 4th spot in highest goal scorer. Flooked it week in, week out?
He is **** so are brighton.

I s it takkin part in the world cup. no.

So shut your mouth, bomber
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view. I'm glad we didn't get him One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA[/p][/quote]How does limited talent get you the 4th spot in highest goal scorer. Flooked it week in, week out?[/p][/quote]He is **** so are brighton. I s it takkin part in the world cup. no. So shut your mouth, bomber ringtone
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

OldGull says...

ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co



m/ligue1/article/han



tz-signs-off-at-bast



ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
Totally agree Cap'n.

You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use

I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish

Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.
You are Pathetic
Thankyou for your RINGING endorsement
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Cap'n. You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.[/p][/quote]You are Pathetic[/p][/quote]Thankyou for your RINGING endorsement OldGull
  • Score: 2

7:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

OldGull says...

namgo49 wrote:
I see my last post is running at -15. So here are some more positives to chew on. This guy has never even played in this country so has absolutely jack knowledge of the leagues, the culture, what is required in terms of quality for success. I see he managed for years with some eccentric practices when he did not even have his badges. He has got to settle in domestically and do a very demanding job from day 1 with little quality support from within the club.

He has a squad which is in real decline, which will decline further with the imminent departure of Ulloa. There is little prospect of any quality additions to the squad with the recruitment personnel and apparent lack of budget we are blessed with at the club.

Where are the quality candidates Barber was on about? It would not surprise me if they have all been frightened off with the management set up we have here.

With what we know to be fact and what has some possibility of being correct, then we are in for some bleak days ahead. On the face of it the club seem to have managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of success!!
Arsene Wenger
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: I see my last post is running at -15. So here are some more positives to chew on. This guy has never even played in this country so has absolutely jack knowledge of the leagues, the culture, what is required in terms of quality for success. I see he managed for years with some eccentric practices when he did not even have his badges. He has got to settle in domestically and do a very demanding job from day 1 with little quality support from within the club. He has a squad which is in real decline, which will decline further with the imminent departure of Ulloa. There is little prospect of any quality additions to the squad with the recruitment personnel and apparent lack of budget we are blessed with at the club. Where are the quality candidates Barber was on about? It would not surprise me if they have all been frightened off with the management set up we have here. With what we know to be fact and what has some possibility of being correct, then we are in for some bleak days ahead. On the face of it the club seem to have managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of success!![/p][/quote]Arsene Wenger OldGull
  • Score: 4

7:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.
he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.
Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view.
I'm glad we didn't get him
One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA
An old Albion 'Marmite' player is his agent isn't he?
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Norwich have signed Grabben from Bournemouth,he said he was happy at Bournemouth but money talks.A bit more cash and we could have had him.But only saving money talks with Burke.[/p][/quote]he got, 'a bit more cash,' from Bournemouth, he also got an increased release clause, the lad has made money and so too Bournemouth, what makes you think it would have been any different had he signed for us? His time with us would have been just about how long he spent with Bournemouth after they gave him a new contract, a few months and no more. From Grabban's point of view this was a very well worked out plan as it was rather obvious that a mid level, or lower, prem club would come calling.[/p][/quote]Agreed. I think Mr Grabban has got a very good agent and is maximising his very limited talent in my view. I'm glad we didn't get him One thing he probably hasn't thought of is the fact he had a very good manager at Bournemouth in Eddie Howe who gets the best out of players. I'm not so sure he will get that at Norwich. UTA[/p][/quote]An old Albion 'Marmite' player is his agent isn't he? WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 2

8:34pm Thu 5 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available?
When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.
Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available? When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''. gordongull
  • Score: -1

8:35pm Thu 5 Jun 14

mark by the sea says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Grabban going to Norwich for three million. It's an overpay compared to his valuation six months ago but he's going to make them better, no doubt. Perhaps we should have made him a better offer in January?
Of course, Bournemouth realised his release clause was to low, and covered the bet, nothing more , I would imagine he was told ' score 20 and clubs will queue for you!' Bournemouth and grabban did very nicely out of turning the Albion away ..
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Grabban going to Norwich for three million. It's an overpay compared to his valuation six months ago but he's going to make them better, no doubt. Perhaps we should have made him a better offer in January?[/p][/quote]Of course, Bournemouth realised his release clause was to low, and covered the bet, nothing more , I would imagine he was told ' score 20 and clubs will queue for you!' Bournemouth and grabban did very nicely out of turning the Albion away .. mark by the sea
  • Score: 3

8:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Gazza by the sea says...

Scratches head and wonders if most contributors on here are actually teenage girls thinking they've logged on to the Jackie magazine forum.......
Scratches head and wonders if most contributors on here are actually teenage girls thinking they've logged on to the Jackie magazine forum....... Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 6

8:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available?
When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.
Simple answer, 'no'.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available? When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.[/p][/quote]Simple answer, 'no'. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

9:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available?
When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.
Simple answer, 'no'.
That's no, as in: no we can't say agents not invited...
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available? When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.[/p][/quote]Simple answer, 'no'.[/p][/quote]That's no, as in: no we can't say agents not invited... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 3

9:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available?
When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.
Simple answer, 'no'.
That's no, as in: no we can't say agents not invited...
Yes I expect the PFA would have something to say about it.
I'm all for players making a decent living, but their representatives are taking too much money out of the game.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: Do we really need to use agents if there are close to a thousand players available? When we arrange to talk terms with a player, can we not just say, ''Agents not invited''.[/p][/quote]Simple answer, 'no'.[/p][/quote]That's no, as in: no we can't say agents not invited...[/p][/quote]Yes I expect the PFA would have something to say about it. I'm all for players making a decent living, but their representatives are taking too much money out of the game. gordongull
  • Score: 0

10:18pm Thu 5 Jun 14

brianw52 says...

We must make sure we find someone who has no experience of english football. No chance for Sherwood, Hughton, Mackay or Clarke. Leave the appointment till the friendlies start. Have few players left. Just a normal season!
We must make sure we find someone who has no experience of english football. No chance for Sherwood, Hughton, Mackay or Clarke. Leave the appointment till the friendlies start. Have few players left. Just a normal season! brianw52
  • Score: -3

10:20pm Thu 5 Jun 14

stonegold says...

Wake me up when it's all over zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wake me up when it's all over zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz stonegold
  • Score: -3

10:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
Cap'n Pugwash wrote:
andyp123 wrote:
Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.
Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'?

The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment.

Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion.

Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for.

http://www.ligue1.co



m/ligue1/article/han



tz-signs-off-at-bast



ia.htm

Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.
Totally agree Cap'n.

You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use

I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish

Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.
You are Pathetic
Ah Ringpiece is back-how nice.

Pathetic for what exactly? Not being a negative bedwetter like you?
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cap'n Pugwash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyp123[/bold] wrote: Top stadium , top training ground, top crowds, top 6 finish last two seasons and still can't get a top, experienced manager. It's just a bit of a shame.[/p][/quote]Who says we can't get a 'top, experienced manager'? The club, quite rightly, are looking for the BEST option for us and that takes time. I'm happy that they appear to be looking at more than a few applicants/options and not making a hasty appointment. Just be thankful that the likes of Holloway,Warnock and Hoddle haven't been linked to The Albion. Hantz could be the next Brendan Rodgers or Roberto Martinez who were both relatively unknown a few years ago. Hantz is clearly good at his job and could well be exactly what we are looking for. http://www.ligue1.co m/ligue1/article/han tz-signs-off-at-bast ia.htm Apart from a select few, we (and that includes all of the 'in the know' posters on here) have no idea who has applied and who the club has approached so give TB and co a bit of credit for not making a hasty, panicky decision. This next appointment is massively important to take us to the next level-I'd be worrying if the job was given to the first 'name' that applied for it.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Cap'n. You have to remember a simple formula that many on here use I haven't heard of him = He must be rubbish Whilst it is frustrating waiting for some news, I trust TB to make the right decision.[/p][/quote]You are Pathetic[/p][/quote]Ah Ringpiece is back-how nice. Pathetic for what exactly? Not being a negative bedwetter like you? Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: 3

11:08pm Thu 5 Jun 14

tug509 says...

So i guess this is not a good time to remind certain people that my choice this time last year was Sean Dyche ! .
So i guess this is not a good time to remind certain people that my choice this time last year was Sean Dyche ! . tug509
  • Score: -7

2:53am Fri 6 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

namgo49 wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
Boy, there are some strange people on this site. Who in their right mind could say: "I'm glad we didn't sign Grabban."

Not only would he be worth three times the amount we paid for him now, but he might have helped us reach the Premier League.

This is one of the reasons why, despite our fantastic support and our superb ground, Brighton and Hove Albion FC is not yet (and may never be) a 'big club'. Too many people connected with the club still think 'small'.
On the subject of Grabban and the price everyone expects to get for Ulloa, who scored the most goals and has just gone to Norwich for, no doubt, his buy out clause of £3 mill. And there are many who think we should not sell Ulloa for less than £10 mill. Dream on!!
Ulloa missed ten weeks of the season through injury and played the rest as an isolated lone striker. Grabban wouldn't have scored 24 league goals in that scenario.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Boy, there are some strange people on this site. Who in their right mind could say: "I'm glad we didn't sign Grabban." Not only would he be worth three times the amount we paid for him now, but he might have helped us reach the Premier League. This is one of the reasons why, despite our fantastic support and our superb ground, Brighton and Hove Albion FC is not yet (and may never be) a 'big club'. Too many people connected with the club still think 'small'.[/p][/quote]On the subject of Grabban and the price everyone expects to get for Ulloa, who scored the most goals and has just gone to Norwich for, no doubt, his buy out clause of £3 mill. And there are many who think we should not sell Ulloa for less than £10 mill. Dream on!![/p][/quote]Ulloa missed ten weeks of the season through injury and played the rest as an isolated lone striker. Grabban wouldn't have scored 24 league goals in that scenario. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

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