Hyypia keen to plug gaps in Albion squad

Sami Hyypia with Darren Ferguson at Peterborough (photo Simon Dack)

Sami Hyypia with Darren Ferguson at Peterborough (photo Simon Dack)

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Albion boss Sami Hyypia admitted today it's "not ideal" to have gaps still to fill in the squad, with the new season a fortnight away.

The Seagulls are expected to make several more signings before and possibly after Sheffield Wednesday's opening visit on August 9.

Hyypia, speaking following the 2-1 friendly defeat at Peterborough said: "I'm okay. The players are working hard and trying to do the right things. When it's only two weeks before the start of the season I would like the squad to be there for the season.

"That of course is one thing that's not ideal. We haven't got the whole squad together."

The players were allowed a World Cup style water break midway through the first half at a steamy London Road. Hyypia felt the pitch should have been watered as well.

He said: "Today the pitch made it very difficult to play football, because it was dry. I heard that Peterborough are a side that wants to play football and I would have thought they would put some water on it but they didn't. It was a bit of a surprise.

"It wasn't a waste. It was a good workout for the players. Friendly games are the best training sessions you can have."

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5:46pm Sat 26 Jul 14

concernedofBrighton says...

Deja vu anyone!
Deja vu anyone! concernedofBrighton
  • Score: 14

5:55pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Sid East Brighton says...

"The pitch made it difficult to play football" Really !
"The pitch made it difficult to play football" Really ! Sid East Brighton
  • Score: 1

5:56pm Sat 26 Jul 14

farside says...

Played at little more than walking pace but as it stands we will concede more goals than last season and continue to find scoring difficult. Work in progress but progress is slow.
Played at little more than walking pace but as it stands we will concede more goals than last season and continue to find scoring difficult. Work in progress but progress is slow. farside
  • Score: 7

5:57pm Sat 26 Jul 14

twonk says...

This is why the last two managers quit, Sammi.
This is why the last two managers quit, Sammi. twonk
  • Score: 21

6:04pm Sat 26 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Sami just expressing what we've all known for weeks, since the retained list was released, in fact, that we need to strengthen - we know the positions, we have targets, we're told, we have the funds, I can only imagine that the delay is due to negotiations over fees, salaries etc. Even if we get 3-4 in this week, which I doubt, they're not going to integrate into the team for a few weeks. I find it all a little mystifying and frustrating - the August 5th Forum might be interesting!!
Sami just expressing what we've all known for weeks, since the retained list was released, in fact, that we need to strengthen - we know the positions, we have targets, we're told, we have the funds, I can only imagine that the delay is due to negotiations over fees, salaries etc. Even if we get 3-4 in this week, which I doubt, they're not going to integrate into the team for a few weeks. I find it all a little mystifying and frustrating - the August 5th Forum might be interesting!! AlanDuffy
  • Score: 49

6:11pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

Two stories from Sami along the same lines in only three days. Is he getting twitchy? Did they promise him the earth and yet give him only a dull grey asteroid with no signs of life? I do hope this isn't going to go the same way as the past two seasons. I'm a glass half full kind of guy but I don't know, I'm kinda worried. Not really looking forward to August 9th, to be honest.
Two stories from Sami along the same lines in only three days. Is he getting twitchy? Did they promise him the earth and yet give him only a dull grey asteroid with no signs of life? I do hope this isn't going to go the same way as the past two seasons. I'm a glass half full kind of guy but I don't know, I'm kinda worried. Not really looking forward to August 9th, to be honest. Max Ripple
  • Score: 50

6:16pm Sat 26 Jul 14

portugal35 says...

End of August the club will be propping up the league table.
End of August the club will be propping up the league table. portugal35
  • Score: -23

6:21pm Sat 26 Jul 14

keswick says...

The next two weeks will tell us all but with the best will in the world Sami is not going to be able to knit them together in that time. Couple that with the dubious signings that Burke has bought us and we are probably only looking at mid-table unless Sami is a miracle worker. As previously said the Fans Forum on the 5th may prove to be interesting and I would not be surprised if TB gets a fair amount of criticism about DB. It will be interesting about how that is answered/he is defended.
The next two weeks will tell us all but with the best will in the world Sami is not going to be able to knit them together in that time. Couple that with the dubious signings that Burke has bought us and we are probably only looking at mid-table unless Sami is a miracle worker. As previously said the Fans Forum on the 5th may prove to be interesting and I would not be surprised if TB gets a fair amount of criticism about DB. It will be interesting about how that is answered/he is defended. keswick
  • Score: 20

6:32pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Bostik says...

Both stories regarding todays game have mentioned the "World Cup style water break". Was this the highlight of the game?

Sami looks worried in the picture.
Both stories regarding todays game have mentioned the "World Cup style water break". Was this the highlight of the game? Sami looks worried in the picture. Bostik
  • Score: 13

6:36pm Sat 26 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -6

6:40pm Sat 26 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Two stories from Sami along the same lines in only three days. Is he getting twitchy? Did they promise him the earth and yet give him only a dull grey asteroid with no signs of life? I do hope this isn't going to go the same way as the past two seasons. I'm a glass half full kind of guy but I don't know, I'm kinda worried. Not really looking forward to August 9th, to be honest.
Yes Max more than a ripple of discontent! SH is not a very happy man-is he saying targets have been approached and why have we not signed them or are we still some way from identifying them which is even worse?
We all know the positions that need to be filled and my glass is still half full but beginning to drain away a little in the heat!
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Two stories from Sami along the same lines in only three days. Is he getting twitchy? Did they promise him the earth and yet give him only a dull grey asteroid with no signs of life? I do hope this isn't going to go the same way as the past two seasons. I'm a glass half full kind of guy but I don't know, I'm kinda worried. Not really looking forward to August 9th, to be honest.[/p][/quote]Yes Max more than a ripple of discontent! SH is not a very happy man-is he saying targets have been approached and why have we not signed them or are we still some way from identifying them which is even worse? We all know the positions that need to be filled and my glass is still half full but beginning to drain away a little in the heat! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 18

6:47pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Grendel says...

twonk wrote:
This is why the last two managers quit, Sammi.
Er, they didn't. One quit and one was fired.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: This is why the last two managers quit, Sammi.[/p][/quote]Er, they didn't. One quit and one was fired. Grendel
  • Score: 6

6:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Believe it or not (maybe-joke) Vegas i agree with you.

The fans -posters(me) have been spoiled rotten the last few years and we are getting a rude awakening.

Watched the Monty Python show last night(downloaded) on the computer.

Encore was ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Believe it or not (maybe-joke) Vegas i agree with you. The fans -posters(me) have been spoiled rotten the last few years and we are getting a rude awakening. Watched the Monty Python show last night(downloaded) on the computer. Encore was ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

6:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Max Ripple says...

Grendel wrote:
twonk wrote:
This is why the last two managers quit, Sammi.
Er, they didn't. One quit and one was fired.
Yes but the one who was fired was VERY unhappy about the state of play with regard to ambition and signings. Let's not forget he wanted out before the CP game in March. He told TB exactly that on the phone by all accounts.
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: This is why the last two managers quit, Sammi.[/p][/quote]Er, they didn't. One quit and one was fired.[/p][/quote]Yes but the one who was fired was VERY unhappy about the state of play with regard to ambition and signings. Let's not forget he wanted out before the CP game in March. He told TB exactly that on the phone by all accounts. Max Ripple
  • Score: 20

6:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Mark Dixon says...

I heard a very good interview on Talk Sport earlier today discussing that even the best players need 3-4 weeks to bed down in a new team, wow we must be buying some better than best players as we've only got two weeks before the season starts.

I fully understand were not in market for lesser standard players but l would love to know, but no one outside the club ever will, how many players other than those we know about have been approached.

I do feel sorry for Sammi, l bet the board hyped the position up and the more time goes on the more he will crash to the ground.
I heard a very good interview on Talk Sport earlier today discussing that even the best players need 3-4 weeks to bed down in a new team, wow we must be buying some better than best players as we've only got two weeks before the season starts. I fully understand were not in market for lesser standard players but l would love to know, but no one outside the club ever will, how many players other than those we know about have been approached. I do feel sorry for Sammi, l bet the board hyped the position up and the more time goes on the more he will crash to the ground. Mark Dixon
  • Score: 8

6:59pm Sat 26 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
I heard a very good interview on Talk Sport earlier today discussing that even the best players need 3-4 weeks to bed down in a new team, wow we must be buying some better than best players as we've only got two weeks before the season starts.

I fully understand were not in market for lesser standard players but l would love to know, but no one outside the club ever will, how many players other than those we know about have been approached.

I do feel sorry for Sammi, l bet the board hyped the position up and the more time goes on the more he will crash to the ground.
Mark not having a go at you ,is it not some players are loanded for a month.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: I heard a very good interview on Talk Sport earlier today discussing that even the best players need 3-4 weeks to bed down in a new team, wow we must be buying some better than best players as we've only got two weeks before the season starts. I fully understand were not in market for lesser standard players but l would love to know, but no one outside the club ever will, how many players other than those we know about have been approached. I do feel sorry for Sammi, l bet the board hyped the position up and the more time goes on the more he will crash to the ground.[/p][/quote]Mark not having a go at you ,is it not some players are loanded for a month. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -3

7:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Albion fan in London says...

I've remained pretty patient up until now. What is the problem with getting new blood in. Anyone would think that we would be uber prepared this season. Don't like to complain but come on DB and co time is ticking, this squad needed a min of 4 weeks to be able to hit the ground running. We are still 4 good experienced players short of being competitive IMO. Slightly frustrating.
I've remained pretty patient up until now. What is the problem with getting new blood in. Anyone would think that we would be uber prepared this season. Don't like to complain but come on DB and co time is ticking, this squad needed a min of 4 weeks to be able to hit the ground running. We are still 4 good experienced players short of being competitive IMO. Slightly frustrating. Albion fan in London
  • Score: 30

7:15pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.
No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 20

7:16pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Ankers and Dunk, you cannot be serious. to use a well know american saying.

When these to play (well, try to) the other team has always got a chance, from Bayern Munich to Newport County.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Ankers and Dunk, you cannot be serious. to use a well know american saying. When these to play (well, try to) the other team has always got a chance, from Bayern Munich to Newport County. ringtone
  • Score: -4

7:20pm Sat 26 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA tug509
  • Score: 24

7:23pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Liambhataylor19 says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
I've remained pretty patient up until now. What is the problem with getting new blood in. Anyone would think that we would be uber prepared this season. Don't like to complain but come on DB and co time is ticking, this squad needed a min of 4 weeks to be able to hit the ground running. We are still 4 good experienced players short of being competitive IMO. Slightly frustrating.
Totally agree with you there mate. Need new signings ASAP. We got 8mill to spend on players and no movement. Is there any news on stockdale I hear that it's close but don't know if it's true or not.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: I've remained pretty patient up until now. What is the problem with getting new blood in. Anyone would think that we would be uber prepared this season. Don't like to complain but come on DB and co time is ticking, this squad needed a min of 4 weeks to be able to hit the ground running. We are still 4 good experienced players short of being competitive IMO. Slightly frustrating.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you there mate. Need new signings ASAP. We got 8mill to spend on players and no movement. Is there any news on stockdale I hear that it's close but don't know if it's true or not. Liambhataylor19
  • Score: 16

7:23pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Liambhataylor19 says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
I've remained pretty patient up until now. What is the problem with getting new blood in. Anyone would think that we would be uber prepared this season. Don't like to complain but come on DB and co time is ticking, this squad needed a min of 4 weeks to be able to hit the ground running. We are still 4 good experienced players short of being competitive IMO. Slightly frustrating.
Totally agree with you there mate. Need new signings ASAP. We got 8mill to spend on players and no movement. Is there any news on stockdale I hear that it's close but don't know if it's true or not.
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: I've remained pretty patient up until now. What is the problem with getting new blood in. Anyone would think that we would be uber prepared this season. Don't like to complain but come on DB and co time is ticking, this squad needed a min of 4 weeks to be able to hit the ground running. We are still 4 good experienced players short of being competitive IMO. Slightly frustrating.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you there mate. Need new signings ASAP. We got 8mill to spend on players and no movement. Is there any news on stockdale I hear that it's close but don't know if it's true or not. Liambhataylor19
  • Score: 3

7:26pm Sat 26 Jul 14

The Phantom says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
And dont forget Kaz......don't get the impression from Sami's recent comments that quality signings are just around the corner. None of the hyped up potential moves ever seem to come to fruition and like a lot of other posters I am a little concerned right now as the squad looks really flimsy. We have a decent set of fixtures to start the season and we need to be taking points from them as the games get a lot tougher through the autumn. Could do with some positive news right now.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]And dont forget Kaz......don't get the impression from Sami's recent comments that quality signings are just around the corner. None of the hyped up potential moves ever seem to come to fruition and like a lot of other posters I am a little concerned right now as the squad looks really flimsy. We have a decent set of fixtures to start the season and we need to be taking points from them as the games get a lot tougher through the autumn. Could do with some positive news right now. The Phantom
  • Score: 18

7:30pm Sat 26 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Believe it or not (maybe-joke) Vegas i agree with you.

The fans -posters(me) have been spoiled rotten the last few years and we are getting a rude awakening.

Watched the Monty Python show last night(downloaded) on the computer.

Encore was ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE.
The most important thing about what Sami is saying is the fact that he is saying it. If there was a problem between him and Bloom/Burke, Sami would be keeping quiet, you don't go public with issues you might have just a few weeks into the job.

I am sure that the frustration that Sami is feeling is also being felt by Bloom and Burke if we are making enquieries but being told no, enquireries come before bids.

Maybe I am a tad over optimistic in my views but I still think that movement on players is in the pipeline. My guess is that we are waiting on loan deals rather than on a bunch of purchases, and loan deals don't go thru very quickly, not at this itme of the year if your targets are employed by prem clubs. Sami obviously knows more about what is going on than any of us do, and right now he sounds more frustrated than angry or let down.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Believe it or not (maybe-joke) Vegas i agree with you. The fans -posters(me) have been spoiled rotten the last few years and we are getting a rude awakening. Watched the Monty Python show last night(downloaded) on the computer. Encore was ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE.[/p][/quote]The most important thing about what Sami is saying is the fact that he is saying it. If there was a problem between him and Bloom/Burke, Sami would be keeping quiet, you don't go public with issues you might have just a few weeks into the job. I am sure that the frustration that Sami is feeling is also being felt by Bloom and Burke if we are making enquieries but being told no, enquireries come before bids. Maybe I am a tad over optimistic in my views but I still think that movement on players is in the pipeline. My guess is that we are waiting on loan deals rather than on a bunch of purchases, and loan deals don't go thru very quickly, not at this itme of the year if your targets are employed by prem clubs. Sami obviously knows more about what is going on than any of us do, and right now he sounds more frustrated than angry or let down. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 9

7:34pm Sat 26 Jul 14

pte says...

tug509 wrote:
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
Hmm ......Burkeitis if thats anything like as bad as colitis then we will be in a sorry state
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA[/p][/quote]Hmm ......Burkeitis if thats anything like as bad as colitis then we will be in a sorry state pte
  • Score: 4

7:37pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.
i agree.i cant believe we havent got any points yet.definite relegation.what?the season hasnt started yet?nothing to worry about then.vegas got it right.we still have a halfdecent squad.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.[/p][/quote]i agree.i cant believe we havent got any points yet.definite relegation.what?the season hasnt started yet?nothing to worry about then.vegas got it right.we still have a halfdecent squad.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: -2

7:44pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.
i agree.i cant believe we havent got any points yet.definite relegation.what?the season hasnt started yet?nothing to worry about then.vegas got it right.we still have a halfdecent squad.cockwomble
Hello Arnie, nice of you to finally show up.

Bet you were having a late cream tea with David Burke.

Lots to celebrate, how did your boy get that 4 year contract?
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.[/p][/quote]i agree.i cant believe we havent got any points yet.definite relegation.what?the season hasnt started yet?nothing to worry about then.vegas got it right.we still have a halfdecent squad.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Hello Arnie, nice of you to finally show up. Bet you were having a late cream tea with David Burke. Lots to celebrate, how did your boy get that 4 year contract? ringtone
  • Score: -11

7:45pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

tug509 wrote:
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
I think Bloom and Barber must take some of the blame as well they are all party to Burkes dealings. The penny pinching has now gone to such a degree that it's difficult not to wonder if there's some sort of financial crisis looming at the albion again? I hope not and that might sound like an overreaction but the way the club has been run this last year or so has been worryingly similar to a club desperately trying to fend off administration. Too much to simply be explained away by that old chestnut FFP anyway.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA[/p][/quote]I think Bloom and Barber must take some of the blame as well they are all party to Burkes dealings. The penny pinching has now gone to such a degree that it's difficult not to wonder if there's some sort of financial crisis looming at the albion again? I hope not and that might sound like an overreaction but the way the club has been run this last year or so has been worryingly similar to a club desperately trying to fend off administration. Too much to simply be explained away by that old chestnut FFP anyway. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 10

7:46pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

We've had managers leave because of our perceived lack of ambition.
We've had players leave because of our perceived lack of ambition.
We've lost out on players because of our perceived lack of ambition and this is continuing and getting worse.
This is not how I saw our first 4 seasons at the Amex panning out.
I hate to criticise the Albion but this needs sorting pretty quick.
I'm a glass half full guy but even I'm getting concerned.
I feel sorry for Sami who seems a good appointment but he has got to pull a rabbit out of the bag if we are to approach the last 2 years' achievements. UTA
We've had managers leave because of our perceived lack of ambition. We've had players leave because of our perceived lack of ambition. We've lost out on players because of our perceived lack of ambition and this is continuing and getting worse. This is not how I saw our first 4 seasons at the Amex panning out. I hate to criticise the Albion but this needs sorting pretty quick. I'm a glass half full guy but even I'm getting concerned. I feel sorry for Sami who seems a good appointment but he has got to pull a rabbit out of the bag if we are to approach the last 2 years' achievements. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 15

7:47pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Gray says...

By what I have heard Sami feels he has been conned & I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't at the club for the first game of the season. Was promised a strengthened squad & an input into which players we buy none of which has happened. Burke believes we can survive in the Championship this year using our youngsters & doesn't feel we need to sign any more players
By what I have heard Sami feels he has been conned & I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't at the club for the first game of the season. Was promised a strengthened squad & an input into which players we buy none of which has happened. Burke believes we can survive in the Championship this year using our youngsters & doesn't feel we need to sign any more players Gray
  • Score: 13

7:47pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

tug509 wrote:
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
True to form, Tug, we are in complete agreement. Anyone looking for proof that Burke is not up to the job need only look at the loanees from last season. Garcia was so impressed with them that their combined playing times didn't amount to one game. Pathetic. And now we start again with COG. Please do not tell me that SH knew anything about him before he got off the bus from Barnsley. He may be a shrewd aquisition - I remain to be convinced - but he almost certainly didn't figure on SH's personal hit list. SH has got to bring in his own scouting team, second in command and power to negotiate deals. If not Burke can start to scout around for another manager before Christmas. Sammi will have one eye firmly fixed on the first round of PL managerial casualties... and that won't take too long.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA[/p][/quote]True to form, Tug, we are in complete agreement. Anyone looking for proof that Burke is not up to the job need only look at the loanees from last season. Garcia was so impressed with them that their combined playing times didn't amount to one game. Pathetic. And now we start again with COG. Please do not tell me that SH knew anything about him before he got off the bus from Barnsley. He may be a shrewd aquisition - I remain to be convinced - but he almost certainly didn't figure on SH's personal hit list. SH has got to bring in his own scouting team, second in command and power to negotiate deals. If not Burke can start to scout around for another manager before Christmas. Sammi will have one eye firmly fixed on the first round of PL managerial casualties... and that won't take too long. Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 17

7:48pm Sat 26 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

I agree with Vegas if push cone to shove we could put out a strong team against Wednesday, pre season games mean nothing apart from getting match fitness and coming out with no injuries, you could beat m united or lose to posh, means nothing for the new season, there's to many people who on here who will right us off before the season starts which I find laughable, we are Brighton fans don't forget that,
I agree with Vegas if push cone to shove we could put out a strong team against Wednesday, pre season games mean nothing apart from getting match fitness and coming out with no injuries, you could beat m united or lose to posh, means nothing for the new season, there's to many people who on here who will right us off before the season starts which I find laughable, we are Brighton fans don't forget that, JeffLomer
  • Score: -5

7:53pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

ringtone wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.
i agree.i cant believe we havent got any points yet.definite relegation.what?the season hasnt started yet?nothing to worry about then.vegas got it right.we still have a halfdecent squad.cockwomble
Hello Arnie, nice of you to finally show up.

Bet you were having a late cream tea with David Burke.

Lots to celebrate, how did your boy get that 4 year contract?
you need to keep out of the sun.cockwomble
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: No proper squad = poor results = poor season = disgruntled supporters. It took too long to appoint Hyypia, now we still don't have a squad, all of which I highlighted 2 months ago. I hate to say I told you so, but...... We reap what we sow and the only seeds we have sown are seeds of doubt. Today was a microcosm of our problems.[/p][/quote]i agree.i cant believe we havent got any points yet.definite relegation.what?the season hasnt started yet?nothing to worry about then.vegas got it right.we still have a halfdecent squad.cockwomble[/p][/quote]Hello Arnie, nice of you to finally show up. Bet you were having a late cream tea with David Burke. Lots to celebrate, how did your boy get that 4 year contract?[/p][/quote]you need to keep out of the sun.cockwomble Cockwomble
  • Score: 2

7:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
True to form, Tug, we are in complete agreement. Anyone looking for proof that Burke is not up to the job need only look at the loanees from last season. Garcia was so impressed with them that their combined playing times didn't amount to one game. Pathetic. And now we start again with COG. Please do not tell me that SH knew anything about him before he got off the bus from Barnsley. He may be a shrewd aquisition - I remain to be convinced - but he almost certainly didn't figure on SH's personal hit list. SH has got to bring in his own scouting team, second in command and power to negotiate deals. If not Burke can start to scout around for another manager before Christmas. Sammi will have one eye firmly fixed on the first round of PL managerial casualties... and that won't take too long.
Brilliant post.

Lots for Ex-pat womble to chew on, after that mouth watering cream tea with Burke.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA[/p][/quote]True to form, Tug, we are in complete agreement. Anyone looking for proof that Burke is not up to the job need only look at the loanees from last season. Garcia was so impressed with them that their combined playing times didn't amount to one game. Pathetic. And now we start again with COG. Please do not tell me that SH knew anything about him before he got off the bus from Barnsley. He may be a shrewd aquisition - I remain to be convinced - but he almost certainly didn't figure on SH's personal hit list. SH has got to bring in his own scouting team, second in command and power to negotiate deals. If not Burke can start to scout around for another manager before Christmas. Sammi will have one eye firmly fixed on the first round of PL managerial casualties... and that won't take too long.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post. Lots for Ex-pat womble to chew on, after that mouth watering cream tea with Burke. ringtone
  • Score: -8

7:54pm Sat 26 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Believe it or not (maybe-joke) Vegas i agree with you.

The fans -posters(me) have been spoiled rotten the last few years and we are getting a rude awakening.

Watched the Monty Python show last night(downloaded) on the computer.

Encore was ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE.
The most important thing about what Sami is saying is the fact that he is saying it. If there was a problem between him and Bloom/Burke, Sami would be keeping quiet, you don't go public with issues you might have just a few weeks into the job.

I am sure that the frustration that Sami is feeling is also being felt by Bloom and Burke if we are making enquieries but being told no, enquireries come before bids.

Maybe I am a tad over optimistic in my views but I still think that movement on players is in the pipeline. My guess is that we are waiting on loan deals rather than on a bunch of purchases, and loan deals don't go thru very quickly, not at this itme of the year if your targets are employed by prem clubs. Sami obviously knows more about what is going on than any of us do, and right now he sounds more frustrated than angry or let down.
Do not think"its not ideal to still have gaps to fill in"is having a go at B.B.

Think Van Gaal still wants players.

Either we go for the rules down to £3 million or TB has to open his wallet again or take a risk (very dangerous).

If Albion make it financilly,come December might be we are strong candidates for the then available transfers.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Believe it or not (maybe-joke) Vegas i agree with you. The fans -posters(me) have been spoiled rotten the last few years and we are getting a rude awakening. Watched the Monty Python show last night(downloaded) on the computer. Encore was ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE.[/p][/quote]The most important thing about what Sami is saying is the fact that he is saying it. If there was a problem between him and Bloom/Burke, Sami would be keeping quiet, you don't go public with issues you might have just a few weeks into the job. I am sure that the frustration that Sami is feeling is also being felt by Bloom and Burke if we are making enquieries but being told no, enquireries come before bids. Maybe I am a tad over optimistic in my views but I still think that movement on players is in the pipeline. My guess is that we are waiting on loan deals rather than on a bunch of purchases, and loan deals don't go thru very quickly, not at this itme of the year if your targets are employed by prem clubs. Sami obviously knows more about what is going on than any of us do, and right now he sounds more frustrated than angry or let down.[/p][/quote]Do not think"its not ideal to still have gaps to fill in"is having a go at B.B. Think Van Gaal still wants players. Either we go for the rules down to £3 million or TB has to open his wallet again or take a risk (very dangerous). If Albion make it financilly,come December might be we are strong candidates for the then available transfers. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

7:56pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

JeffLomer wrote:
I agree with Vegas if push cone to shove we could put out a strong team against Wednesday, pre season games mean nothing apart from getting match fitness and coming out with no injuries, you could beat m united or lose to posh, means nothing for the new season, there's to many people who on here who will right us off before the season starts which I find laughable, we are Brighton fans don't forget that,
true.i think samis quote says it all.

It was a good workout for the players. Friendly games are the best training sessions you can have.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I agree with Vegas if push cone to shove we could put out a strong team against Wednesday, pre season games mean nothing apart from getting match fitness and coming out with no injuries, you could beat m united or lose to posh, means nothing for the new season, there's to many people who on here who will right us off before the season starts which I find laughable, we are Brighton fans don't forget that,[/p][/quote]true.i think samis quote says it all. It was a good workout for the players. Friendly games are the best training sessions you can have. Cockwomble
  • Score: 9

8:09pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Max Ripple wrote:
Two stories from Sami along the same lines in only three days. Is he getting twitchy? Did they promise him the earth and yet give him only a dull grey asteroid with no signs of life? I do hope this isn't going to go the same way as the past two seasons. I'm a glass half full kind of guy but I don't know, I'm kinda worried. Not really looking forward to August 9th, to be honest.
Agree totally
[quote][p][bold]Max Ripple[/bold] wrote: Two stories from Sami along the same lines in only three days. Is he getting twitchy? Did they promise him the earth and yet give him only a dull grey asteroid with no signs of life? I do hope this isn't going to go the same way as the past two seasons. I'm a glass half full kind of guy but I don't know, I'm kinda worried. Not really looking forward to August 9th, to be honest.[/p][/quote]Agree totally Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 9

8:16pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Cockwomble wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
I agree with Vegas if push cone to shove we could put out a strong team against Wednesday, pre season games mean nothing apart from getting match fitness and coming out with no injuries, you could beat m united or lose to posh, means nothing for the new season, there's to many people who on here who will right us off before the season starts which I find laughable, we are Brighton fans don't forget that,
true.i think samis quote says it all.

It was a good workout for the players. Friendly games are the best training sessions you can have.
For Peterborough, sure.

Who is the cockwomble that got rid of Brez?

Brez is a thousand times better than that cockwomble supreme Ankers.
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: I agree with Vegas if push cone to shove we could put out a strong team against Wednesday, pre season games mean nothing apart from getting match fitness and coming out with no injuries, you could beat m united or lose to posh, means nothing for the new season, there's to many people who on here who will right us off before the season starts which I find laughable, we are Brighton fans don't forget that,[/p][/quote]true.i think samis quote says it all. It was a good workout for the players. Friendly games are the best training sessions you can have.[/p][/quote]For Peterborough, sure. Who is the cockwomble that got rid of Brez? Brez is a thousand times better than that cockwomble supreme Ankers. ringtone
  • Score: -7

8:20pm Sat 26 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 7

8:30pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Cliify0002 says...

Only thing holding up incoming is the lack of ambition the suits arnt buying anyone it's time they admitted it and let the manager move on totaly list faith with the club all they good players are sorted leaving us with the dregs saw it coming last season
Only thing holding up incoming is the lack of ambition the suits arnt buying anyone it's time they admitted it and let the manager move on totaly list faith with the club all they good players are sorted leaving us with the dregs saw it coming last season Cliify0002
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Sat 26 Jul 14

falmer seagull says...

Lay into the suits at the Fan's Forum, but support Sami!
Lay into the suits at the Fan's Forum, but support Sami! falmer seagull
  • Score: 18

8:51pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Peppers I says...

Take the 20/1 for the drop. I guarantee you will be able to trade off at around 4s after what will almost certainly be a poor start to the season with the dross that SH has been left to work with.
Take the 20/1 for the drop. I guarantee you will be able to trade off at around 4s after what will almost certainly be a poor start to the season with the dross that SH has been left to work with. Peppers I
  • Score: -2

8:53pm Sat 26 Jul 14

fratsomrover says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
All I can say is that I'm mighty relieved you are not our manager !!!!

That's just about as unbalanced a team as I could imagine.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]All I can say is that I'm mighty relieved you are not our manager !!!! That's just about as unbalanced a team as I could imagine. fratsomrover
  • Score: 11

8:56pm Sat 26 Jul 14

MHubbs says...

Too little too late. AGAIN😞
Too little too late. AGAIN😞 MHubbs
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Dolph Ins says...

I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA Dolph Ins
  • Score: 10

9:06pm Sat 26 Jul 14

MHubbs says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
We have lost most of our squad, our main striker, number 1 goaly, top defender, quality left back, playmakers from midfield. And what have we brought in?
Most players we have been linked with have gone to other clubs in preferrence to brighton. Why? The answer is obvious and the writing is on the wall for the opening games with side totally reliant on some promising youngsters with no depth in squad, no top scorer and no top goaly.
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA[/p][/quote]We have lost most of our squad, our main striker, number 1 goaly, top defender, quality left back, playmakers from midfield. And what have we brought in? Most players we have been linked with have gone to other clubs in preferrence to brighton. Why? The answer is obvious and the writing is on the wall for the opening games with side totally reliant on some promising youngsters with no depth in squad, no top scorer and no top goaly. MHubbs
  • Score: 3

9:15pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-)

There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet.

We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA[/p][/quote]Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-) There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet. We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

9:30pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dolph Ins wrote:
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-)

There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet.

We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.
Okay, so why give 4 year contracts to players that are not gonna be in the team?
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA[/p][/quote]Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-) There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet. We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.[/p][/quote]Okay, so why give 4 year contracts to players that are not gonna be in the team? ringtone
  • Score: 2

9:57pm Sat 26 Jul 14

OldGull says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
Well said.
Except for our spell under Mike Bamber, Albion have basically been a league 1 club.
We are now an established championship club being run prudently for long term success. We may have a dip this year, we may not.
I am confident we will reach the prem in the near future.
I have spent years supporting the Albion in the lower reaches in poor stadia.
I think many on here forget where we have come from, or were not supporters back in the day.
Trouble is, modern football is about spending £m in the hope of instant success.
I will be patient and trust in TB
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA[/p][/quote]Well said. Except for our spell under Mike Bamber, Albion have basically been a league 1 club. We are now an established championship club being run prudently for long term success. We may have a dip this year, we may not. I am confident we will reach the prem in the near future. I have spent years supporting the Albion in the lower reaches in poor stadia. I think many on here forget where we have come from, or were not supporters back in the day. Trouble is, modern football is about spending £m in the hope of instant success. I will be patient and trust in TB UTA OldGull
  • Score: 16

10:05pm Sat 26 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

fratsomrover wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
All I can say is that I'm mighty relieved you are not our manager !!!!

That's just about as unbalanced a team as I could imagine.
and if you engaged your brain when replying, rather than spitting out an insult, you might have offered just why my offering appears unbalanced, but that would take a little effort wouldn't, effort being something you don't choose to apply.
If you relly tried you might even notice that I desribed the players as those that have played together before, and that I said that they would be a, 'decent,' eleven and not a great eleven. Oh crap, now I am asking you to apply even more effort.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]All I can say is that I'm mighty relieved you are not our manager !!!! That's just about as unbalanced a team as I could imagine.[/p][/quote]and if you engaged your brain when replying, rather than spitting out an insult, you might have offered just why my offering appears unbalanced, but that would take a little effort wouldn't, effort being something you don't choose to apply. If you relly tried you might even notice that I desribed the players as those that have played together before, and that I said that they would be a, 'decent,' eleven and not a great eleven. Oh crap, now I am asking you to apply even more effort. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Sat 26 Jul 14

OldGull says...

falmer seagull wrote:
Lay into the suits at the Fan's Forum, but support Sami!
By the suits, you also mean TB
Be careful for what you wish for.
4 years ago we had finished near the bottom of league one and still were playing in an old athletics stadium.
Can't believe how much negativity there is on this site.
[quote][p][bold]falmer seagull[/bold] wrote: Lay into the suits at the Fan's Forum, but support Sami![/p][/quote]By the suits, you also mean TB Be careful for what you wish for. 4 years ago we had finished near the bottom of league one and still were playing in an old athletics stadium. Can't believe how much negativity there is on this site. OldGull
  • Score: 14

10:08pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Vince says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
True to form, Tug, we are in complete agreement. Anyone looking for proof that Burke is not up to the job need only look at the loanees from last season. Garcia was so impressed with them that their combined playing times didn't amount to one game. Pathetic. And now we start again with COG. Please do not tell me that SH knew anything about him before he got off the bus from Barnsley. He may be a shrewd aquisition - I remain to be convinced - but he almost certainly didn't figure on SH's personal hit list. SH has got to bring in his own scouting team, second in command and power to negotiate deals. If not Burke can start to scout around for another manager before Christmas. Sammi will have one eye firmly fixed on the first round of PL managerial casualties... and that won't take too long.
COG's career spanning 11 clubs tells its own story. How many players worth their salt end up playing for 11 different teams? Could COG be one of those players that managers tend to move on after a while? This could be for a number of reasons - for example some players are a disruptive influence in the dressing room - which can affect the whole squad. We have Agustien, a very skilful midfielder - so why did Gus and Oscar hardly ever use him? Is there an unexplained reason?
Will Buckley doesn't seem as motivated as he was under Gus these days. Perhaps he is unhappy at the club's lack of decent acquistions, the failure to keep players like Conway and Ward, letting players like Orlandi go and our seeming lack of ambition to land exciting players - but instead buying seasoned journeymen like COG. Players see whats going on and it can affect their performance. An unhappy player will not perform to his true ability. Robbie Savage knows all about that, and he knows that some players will often deliberately play badly to get a transfer!

I am not impressed so far....I hope that changes soon.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA[/p][/quote]True to form, Tug, we are in complete agreement. Anyone looking for proof that Burke is not up to the job need only look at the loanees from last season. Garcia was so impressed with them that their combined playing times didn't amount to one game. Pathetic. And now we start again with COG. Please do not tell me that SH knew anything about him before he got off the bus from Barnsley. He may be a shrewd aquisition - I remain to be convinced - but he almost certainly didn't figure on SH's personal hit list. SH has got to bring in his own scouting team, second in command and power to negotiate deals. If not Burke can start to scout around for another manager before Christmas. Sammi will have one eye firmly fixed on the first round of PL managerial casualties... and that won't take too long.[/p][/quote]COG's career spanning 11 clubs tells its own story. How many players worth their salt end up playing for 11 different teams? Could COG be one of those players that managers tend to move on after a while? This could be for a number of reasons - for example some players are a disruptive influence in the dressing room - which can affect the whole squad. We have Agustien, a very skilful midfielder - so why did Gus and Oscar hardly ever use him? Is there an unexplained reason? Will Buckley doesn't seem as motivated as he was under Gus these days. Perhaps he is unhappy at the club's lack of decent acquistions, the failure to keep players like Conway and Ward, letting players like Orlandi go and our seeming lack of ambition to land exciting players - but instead buying seasoned journeymen like COG. Players see whats going on and it can affect their performance. An unhappy player will not perform to his true ability. Robbie Savage knows all about that, and he knows that some players will often deliberately play badly to get a transfer! I am not impressed so far....I hope that changes soon. Vince
  • Score: 1

10:10pm Sat 26 Jul 14

OldGull says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
Only thing holding up incoming is the lack of ambition the suits arnt buying anyone it's time they admitted it and let the manager move on totaly list faith with the club all they good players are sorted leaving us with the dregs saw it coming last season
By the suits, you also mean TB
Be careful for what you wish for.
4 years ago we had finished near the bottom of league one and still were playing in an old athletics stadium.
Can't believe how much negativity there is on this site.
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Only thing holding up incoming is the lack of ambition the suits arnt buying anyone it's time they admitted it and let the manager move on totaly list faith with the club all they good players are sorted leaving us with the dregs saw it coming last season[/p][/quote]By the suits, you also mean TB Be careful for what you wish for. 4 years ago we had finished near the bottom of league one and still were playing in an old athletics stadium. Can't believe how much negativity there is on this site. OldGull
  • Score: 4

10:12pm Sat 26 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

I'm as worried as anyone but as Vegas questions... Might it be that we are waiting for Prmiership hand me downs.

If I knew we were going to sign Butland, Kelly, Ibe, Lingard and Ward, 2 games in then I'd be happy with this.
I'm pretty sure this won't be happening though and so like others, I'd like people in ASAP. Been saying this for a month though.
I'm as worried as anyone but as Vegas questions... Might it be that we are waiting for Prmiership hand me downs. If I knew we were going to sign Butland, Kelly, Ibe, Lingard and Ward, 2 games in then I'd be happy with this. I'm pretty sure this won't be happening though and so like others, I'd like people in ASAP. Been saying this for a month though. SMF20
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Sat 26 Jul 14

The lev says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Wake up ! That team is rubbish
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Wake up ! That team is rubbish The lev
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Garden Gull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dolph Ins wrote:
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-)

There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet.

We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.
As I sit and watch alien v predator I can see startling similarities between the predicament of human expeditionary force trapped in the predator lair being picked off one by one by our extraterrestrial friends and poor old TB. Rock and pointy uncomfortable place in other words. However I doubt TB will or should spend more than say 5 large ones this summer. We will get players in and will be competitive in a tough league with lots of overspending rivals and therefore won't risk the safety of the club again. At the end of the day doesn't that still sound good compared to where we were 20 years ago? Unless of course Bill Gates secretly goes to bed wearing an old Mike Small shirt and fancies buying a south coast plaything....
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA[/p][/quote]Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-) There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet. We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.[/p][/quote]As I sit and watch alien v predator I can see startling similarities between the predicament of human expeditionary force trapped in the predator lair being picked off one by one by our extraterrestrial friends and poor old TB. Rock and pointy uncomfortable place in other words. However I doubt TB will or should spend more than say 5 large ones this summer. We will get players in and will be competitive in a tough league with lots of overspending rivals and therefore won't risk the safety of the club again. At the end of the day doesn't that still sound good compared to where we were 20 years ago? Unless of course Bill Gates secretly goes to bed wearing an old Mike Small shirt and fancies buying a south coast plaything.... Garden Gull
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Sat 26 Jul 14

The lev says...

With the squad we have we won't get relegated , however we will be looking at that ends results more than we will the other end.
With the squad we have we won't get relegated , however we will be looking at that ends results more than we will the other end. The lev
  • Score: 7

10:49pm Sat 26 Jul 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.''
That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan.
Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that.
On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week.
So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for.
Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player.
He is already in the Premier League.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.'' That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan. Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that. On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week. So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for. Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player. He is already in the Premier League. gordongull
  • Score: 3

11:02pm Sat 26 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.''
That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan.
Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that.
On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week.
So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for.
Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player.
He is already in the Premier League.
I guess my thinking is, if we borrow a good prem lad, his club will want us to pay what ever our max wage figure is, and if we buy a quality player, he too will probably want our max wage too. Yep we paid a reported 10K a week towards Ward's wages, I do believe that it was widely accepted that we paid the same figure for Bridge.

Considering that we do have money to spend, the only reason I can see for us not getting too busy in the market is because we are planning some loan deals. Five players needed, buy two and borrow three. Stockdale and Ward, 'might,' be the two.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.'' That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan. Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that. On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week. So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for. Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player. He is already in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]I guess my thinking is, if we borrow a good prem lad, his club will want us to pay what ever our max wage figure is, and if we buy a quality player, he too will probably want our max wage too. Yep we paid a reported 10K a week towards Ward's wages, I do believe that it was widely accepted that we paid the same figure for Bridge. Considering that we do have money to spend, the only reason I can see for us not getting too busy in the market is because we are planning some loan deals. Five players needed, buy two and borrow three. Stockdale and Ward, 'might,' be the two. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

11:14pm Sat 26 Jul 14

albionfan33 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
All I can say is that I'm mighty relieved you are not our manager !!!!

That's just about as unbalanced a team as I could imagine.
and if you engaged your brain when replying, rather than spitting out an insult, you might have offered just why my offering appears unbalanced, but that would take a little effort wouldn't, effort being something you don't choose to apply.
If you relly tried you might even notice that I desribed the players as those that have played together before, and that I said that they would be a, 'decent,' eleven and not a great eleven. Oh crap, now I am asking you to apply even more effort.
he's moaning that crofts is on the wing etc its hard for some to use the brain and just shuffle players around to the correct positions. your team would give most in the champs a good game. imo
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]All I can say is that I'm mighty relieved you are not our manager !!!! That's just about as unbalanced a team as I could imagine.[/p][/quote]and if you engaged your brain when replying, rather than spitting out an insult, you might have offered just why my offering appears unbalanced, but that would take a little effort wouldn't, effort being something you don't choose to apply. If you relly tried you might even notice that I desribed the players as those that have played together before, and that I said that they would be a, 'decent,' eleven and not a great eleven. Oh crap, now I am asking you to apply even more effort.[/p][/quote]he's moaning that crofts is on the wing etc its hard for some to use the brain and just shuffle players around to the correct positions. your team would give most in the champs a good game. imo albionfan33
  • Score: 4

11:17pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Dolph Ins wrote:
I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA
Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-)

There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet.

We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.
Okay, so why give 4 year contracts to players that are not gonna be in the team?
Ever heard of 'the future'? You won't like it though as you'll have less to bellyache about.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I am ashamed of you lot. You do it every time we loose. All of a sudden TB's pockets are too small. We are all going to give up our season tickets and 13 people and a dog are going to be at the Amex. FFS it was a pre season. Players got a run out. It appears from all posts that 2 to 4 players are on our radar. You lot would have trashed TB's credit card on the first available player. Just chill. If we make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row I think that will be amazing. If we avoid relegation it will be a poor but ultimately succesfull season. I for 1 am looking forward to Thurs and then 2 weeks time. UTA[/p][/quote]Your brand of optimism won't go down well here ;-) There is literally no point in passing judgement until the season starts. Surely most of us here have been through enough pre-seasons to know that they are no indicator of the upcoming season? It's a new season and the players are still learning Sami's system. That is what pre-season is for. We're not meant to be the finished article yet and there is very little point in peaking just yet. We WILL have new players soon, and I'm confident they will be decent additions.[/p][/quote]Okay, so why give 4 year contracts to players that are not gonna be in the team?[/p][/quote]Ever heard of 'the future'? You won't like it though as you'll have less to bellyache about. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 1

11:19pm Sat 26 Jul 14

challster says...

I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.
I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him. challster
  • Score: 8

11:32pm Sat 26 Jul 14

ringtone says...

challster wrote:
I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.
On point C, you wont get Ex-pat to be more patriotic as in his name, he is ex-patriotic.

Some might say non tax payers have no right to lecture us (tax payers) on how we feel about the club we buy tickets to watch.

I of course will make no coment.
[quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.[/p][/quote]On point C, you wont get Ex-pat to be more patriotic as in his name, he is ex-patriotic. Some might say non tax payers have no right to lecture us (tax payers) on how we feel about the club we buy tickets to watch. I of course will make no coment. ringtone
  • Score: -4

11:36pm Sat 26 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Has anyone else considered the possibility that Cockwomble is David Burke?
That could be why player recruitment is running at such a slow pace.
Picture the scene. David Burke identifies a top class goalkeeper, and arranges a meeting with the player and his representative.
The player and agent: ''good morning David.''
Burke: ''Cockwomble.''
The Agent: My client's experience and current form puts him in the £12k a week bracket, and we are looking for a £100k signing on fee.
Burke: Cockwomble!! FFP!! cockwomble.
The player and his agent, (making a hurried exit), ''thanks for your interest, we'll be in touch.''
We only got the O'Grady deal done because it was Yorkshire, and they thought that 'cockwomble' meant something similar to 'eeh by gum'.
Has anyone else considered the possibility that Cockwomble is David Burke? That could be why player recruitment is running at such a slow pace. Picture the scene. David Burke identifies a top class goalkeeper, and arranges a meeting with the player and his representative. The player and agent: ''good morning David.'' Burke: ''Cockwomble.'' The Agent: My client's experience and current form puts him in the £12k a week bracket, and we are looking for a £100k signing on fee. Burke: Cockwomble!! FFP!! cockwomble. The player and his agent, (making a hurried exit), ''thanks for your interest, we'll be in touch.'' We only got the O'Grady deal done because it was Yorkshire, and they thought that 'cockwomble' meant something similar to 'eeh by gum'. gordongull
  • Score: 1

11:45pm Sat 26 Jul 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.''
That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan.
Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that.
On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week.
So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for.
Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player.
He is already in the Premier League.
I guess my thinking is, if we borrow a good prem lad, his club will want us to pay what ever our max wage figure is, and if we buy a quality player, he too will probably want our max wage too. Yep we paid a reported 10K a week towards Ward's wages, I do believe that it was widely accepted that we paid the same figure for Bridge.

Considering that we do have money to spend, the only reason I can see for us not getting too busy in the market is because we are planning some loan deals. Five players needed, buy two and borrow three. Stockdale and Ward, 'might,' be the two.
If we are talking about buying a Prem' quality player, he won't come here for our maximum wage.
He might come on loan if his club is paying the balance.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.'' That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan. Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that. On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week. So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for. Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player. He is already in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]I guess my thinking is, if we borrow a good prem lad, his club will want us to pay what ever our max wage figure is, and if we buy a quality player, he too will probably want our max wage too. Yep we paid a reported 10K a week towards Ward's wages, I do believe that it was widely accepted that we paid the same figure for Bridge. Considering that we do have money to spend, the only reason I can see for us not getting too busy in the market is because we are planning some loan deals. Five players needed, buy two and borrow three. Stockdale and Ward, 'might,' be the two.[/p][/quote]If we are talking about buying a Prem' quality player, he won't come here for our maximum wage. He might come on loan if his club is paying the balance. gordongull
  • Score: 4

11:55pm Sat 26 Jul 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

Player’s wages are the most significant predictor of league performance
BHA have worked extremely hard to reduce the average wage of players at the club by selling, using younger players and releasing out of contract players on above average wages.
Recruiting multi-million pound players on transfers undermines the wage structure.
Using the loan market for Premiership players enables the club to sustain their wage structure through subsidies from the other team.
Successful young players could be sold when their wage demands undermine the existing wage structure.
Player’s wages are the most significant predictor of league performance BHA have worked extremely hard to reduce the average wage of players at the club by selling, using younger players and releasing out of contract players on above average wages. Recruiting multi-million pound players on transfers undermines the wage structure. Using the loan market for Premiership players enables the club to sustain their wage structure through subsidies from the other team. Successful young players could be sold when their wage demands undermine the existing wage structure. New Jersey Seagull
  • Score: 6

11:56pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

ringtone wrote:
challster wrote:
I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.
On point C, you wont get Ex-pat to be more patriotic as in his name, he is ex-patriotic.

Some might say non tax payers have no right to lecture us (tax payers) on how we feel about the club we buy tickets to watch.

I of course will make no coment.
I would bet a large wedge that I still pay more into the UK tax system than you do, certainly more than the average permanent resident, but that is beside the point. We are all Albion fans (well, when I say 'all', I mean some of us - several are quite obviously not) so our opinions are equally invalid, unless based upon a demonstrably false premise ;-)

Back to Challsters points: (a) yes, in Tony Bloom's opinion. As has been stated on here numerous times even if you don't have a DOF you still have to have other people doing that work. If the manager does some of it, then someone else has to take up his slack. (b) What? You want the clubs finances decided by public ballot? It's innovative, I'll give you that...! Mental, but innovative. And (c) Yes, probably, but with so many Premier League clubs owned by foreign investors, what chance do you think you've got of making any of them give a toss about the England team? Why would the Glazers, or Abramovich, or Usmanov, or the Saudis care about English international football?
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.[/p][/quote]On point C, you wont get Ex-pat to be more patriotic as in his name, he is ex-patriotic. Some might say non tax payers have no right to lecture us (tax payers) on how we feel about the club we buy tickets to watch. I of course will make no coment.[/p][/quote]I would bet a large wedge that I still pay more into the UK tax system than you do, certainly more than the average permanent resident, but that is beside the point. We are all Albion fans (well, when I say 'all', I mean some of us - several are quite obviously not) so our opinions are equally invalid, unless based upon a demonstrably false premise ;-) Back to Challsters points: (a) yes, in Tony Bloom's opinion. As has been stated on here numerous times even if you don't have a DOF you still have to have other people doing that work. If the manager does some of it, then someone else has to take up his slack. (b) What? You want the clubs finances decided by public ballot? It's innovative, I'll give you that...! Mental, but innovative. And (c) Yes, probably, but with so many Premier League clubs owned by foreign investors, what chance do you think you've got of making any of them give a toss about the England team? Why would the Glazers, or Abramovich, or Usmanov, or the Saudis care about English international football? Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

12:08am Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.''
That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan.
Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that.
On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week.
So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for.
Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player.
He is already in the Premier League.
I guess my thinking is, if we borrow a good prem lad, his club will want us to pay what ever our max wage figure is, and if we buy a quality player, he too will probably want our max wage too. Yep we paid a reported 10K a week towards Ward's wages, I do believe that it was widely accepted that we paid the same figure for Bridge.

Considering that we do have money to spend, the only reason I can see for us not getting too busy in the market is because we are planning some loan deals. Five players needed, buy two and borrow three. Stockdale and Ward, 'might,' be the two.
If we are talking about buying a Prem' quality player, he won't come here for our maximum wage.
He might come on loan if his club is paying the balance.
Yeah but I actualy said, 'buy a quality player,' not a 'prem quality player,' easily missed point and perhaps one I should have made clearer.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]You ask: ''Should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.'' That is undoubtedly so, Vegas, but as you know, it doesn't mean we have to pay the full amount if we take a player on loan. Wayne Bridge was earning £100k a week when he joined us on a season-long loan from Manchester City. That means we had the services of a player on over £5m a year, and City were picking up the tab for most of that. On a smaller scale, we were only responsible for £10k of Stephen Ward's wages of £13k a week. So 'if', as you ask, we are waiting for Prem' clubs to make players available, then deals like the one with Bridge would definitely be worth waiting for. Also, the club's ambition to get promoted is not an issue for the player. He is already in the Premier League.[/p][/quote]I guess my thinking is, if we borrow a good prem lad, his club will want us to pay what ever our max wage figure is, and if we buy a quality player, he too will probably want our max wage too. Yep we paid a reported 10K a week towards Ward's wages, I do believe that it was widely accepted that we paid the same figure for Bridge. Considering that we do have money to spend, the only reason I can see for us not getting too busy in the market is because we are planning some loan deals. Five players needed, buy two and borrow three. Stockdale and Ward, 'might,' be the two.[/p][/quote]If we are talking about buying a Prem' quality player, he won't come here for our maximum wage. He might come on loan if his club is paying the balance.[/p][/quote]Yeah but I actualy said, 'buy a quality player,' not a 'prem quality player,' easily missed point and perhaps one I should have made clearer. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

12:15am Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

challster wrote:
I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.
I agree entirely with your point about Manager/director of Football, and the inspiration and respect issues.
You could have a bit of trouble with your proposal for FFP to go to a national ballot. The rules were voted on by by the 24 clubs which make up the Championship, and 21 of those, including B&HA voted in favour.
Who decides parachute payments? - The Premier League. There isn't much we can do to stop them giving money to the relegated clubs.
And your final point that we were ''pretty much Prem' standard (almost) last year.''
We actually finished nearer to Doncaster than to Leicester on points.
You know where Donny are playing their football this season.
[quote][p][bold]challster[/bold] wrote: I'm sure it wasn't that bad ? I remember seeing us play some poor football in the early withdean days.. We've come a long from there. And now with a lot to look forward to. I'm afraid, though, that the director of football role is not inspiring new signings. We apparantly had grabban in the bag all those months ago, but he couldn't agree final terms. I'm Not sure why, but players who join new clubs need to respect their manager, so I'd really like to see Sami fully at the helm, as high calibre players, like he, who become managers do have some clout when it comes to bringing in new blood. Look I'm not trying to do our structure down, but as a teacher myself, we are constantly scrutinised but a regulating body in Ofsted. However it's the unions who respond to unfair ideals. So whoever is right or wrong at the top of our team, shouldn't we as a club and across the country have the opportunity to hold a ballot on whether FFP is fair. Who decides these rediculous ideas of parachute payments, players who are demoted should quite simply take a wage drop, at least it would give them more incentive to work harder to get to the prem - and make playing championship football more even. My point is a) is director of football really necessary? b) shouldn't FFP be regulated by the fans via electoral voting not by a governing of suits who drive this ideal? C) more to the point, at the highest level, isn't it about time we did what the Germans did a few years back and overhauled the Way players served the national team in England? On a final note, I'm not speaking for the rest of the British isles but one of the reasons why our team is pretty much prem standard (Almost ) last year was because we had committed players such as Steven Ward, who came to us to resurrect his international career. It's a shame if we don't sign him.[/p][/quote]I agree entirely with your point about Manager/director of Football, and the inspiration and respect issues. You could have a bit of trouble with your proposal for FFP to go to a national ballot. The rules were voted on by by the 24 clubs which make up the Championship, and 21 of those, including B&HA voted in favour. Who decides parachute payments? - The Premier League. There isn't much we can do to stop them giving money to the relegated clubs. And your final point that we were ''pretty much Prem' standard (almost) last year.'' We actually finished nearer to Doncaster than to Leicester on points. You know where Donny are playing their football this season. gordongull
  • Score: 4

12:25am Sun 27 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

GG: That doesn't mean we were nearer to Doncaster in terms of ability though. In terms of position (the only metric that really counts) and goal difference we were far nearer to Leics than Donny :-)

For instance, I got beaten at badminton the other day, 3-0. That seems a stuffing, but the scores of 21-18, 21-18, 21-18 perhaps show a slightly less harsh story.
GG: That doesn't mean we were nearer to Doncaster in terms of ability though. In terms of position (the only metric that really counts) and goal difference we were far nearer to Leics than Donny :-) For instance, I got beaten at badminton the other day, 3-0. That seems a stuffing, but the scores of 21-18, 21-18, 21-18 perhaps show a slightly less harsh story. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

12:49am Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
GG: That doesn't mean we were nearer to Doncaster in terms of ability though. In terms of position (the only metric that really counts) and goal difference we were far nearer to Leics than Donny :-)

For instance, I got beaten at badminton the other day, 3-0. That seems a stuffing, but the scores of 21-18, 21-18, 21-18 perhaps show a slightly less harsh story.
Fair point, EPA, but every team can point to games that they might have won on a different day.
Only six sides scored less than us in the League. While that shows a good level of ability in defence, It does not suggest to me that we were ''pretty much Prem' standard, (almost) last year'', as put forward by Challster.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: GG: That doesn't mean we were nearer to Doncaster in terms of ability though. In terms of position (the only metric that really counts) and goal difference we were far nearer to Leics than Donny :-) For instance, I got beaten at badminton the other day, 3-0. That seems a stuffing, but the scores of 21-18, 21-18, 21-18 perhaps show a slightly less harsh story.[/p][/quote]Fair point, EPA, but every team can point to games that they might have won on a different day. Only six sides scored less than us in the League. While that shows a good level of ability in defence, It does not suggest to me that we were ''pretty much Prem' standard, (almost) last year'', as put forward by Challster. gordongull
  • Score: 4

2:03am Sun 27 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed.
The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin.
The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line.
I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost.
I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window !
My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so.
To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad !
Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA
Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed. The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin. The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line. I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost. I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window ! My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so. To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad ! Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA ballantrrae
  • Score: 8

2:46am Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

What exactly is the strategy?
Are we looking at players who are available now? All the evidence points to that not being the case. Tony Bloom must be involved very closely with player recruitment , because it is his money that is on the line. Is Sami as closely involved?
His comments sound to me like those of someone who is not only disconnected from the process, but doesn't even know what the process is.
There could be a plan to take players on loan from the Premier League, and we are waiting for suitable players to be confirmed as available. If so, Sami does not seem to be aware of the plan.
Sami is fully occupied with the team, and it is difficult to imagine him storming into the office demanding answers.
If he is not provided with the resources, to do his job very soon, that could be the only course of action left open for him.
What exactly is the strategy? Are we looking at players who are available now? All the evidence points to that not being the case. Tony Bloom must be involved very closely with player recruitment , because it is his money that is on the line. Is Sami as closely involved? His comments sound to me like those of someone who is not only disconnected from the process, but doesn't even know what the process is. There could be a plan to take players on loan from the Premier League, and we are waiting for suitable players to be confirmed as available. If so, Sami does not seem to be aware of the plan. Sami is fully occupied with the team, and it is difficult to imagine him storming into the office demanding answers. If he is not provided with the resources, to do his job very soon, that could be the only course of action left open for him. gordongull
  • Score: 4

2:49am Sun 27 Jul 14

100% Pure says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Ankers and Dunk, you cannot be serious. to use a well know american saying.

When these to play (well, try to) the other team has always got a chance, from Bayern Munich to Newport County.
Great post ringtone.Anyone really at the game or watches the replay of their 2nd goal can see the vile freeloading Mr,Dunk was 100% to blame once again against lower league players.Like two top scouts said after i wouldn't have given it a 4 day contract.Now it has a child im sure his friends and family will be all over this site all season talking pure rubbish.Keep up the good work ringtone.Shame the scum ran MBTS off the site also.Looks like OG,Ulloa,and Sammy Lee made very good moves.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Ankers and Dunk, you cannot be serious. to use a well know american saying. When these to play (well, try to) the other team has always got a chance, from Bayern Munich to Newport County.[/p][/quote]Great post ringtone.Anyone really at the game or watches the replay of their 2nd goal can see the vile freeloading Mr,Dunk was 100% to blame once again against lower league players.Like two top scouts said after i wouldn't have given it a 4 day contract.Now it has a child im sure his friends and family will be all over this site all season talking pure rubbish.Keep up the good work ringtone.Shame the scum ran MBTS off the site also.Looks like OG,Ulloa,and Sammy Lee made very good moves. 100% Pure
  • Score: -14

2:58am Sun 27 Jul 14

100% Pure says...

The lev wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Wake up ! That team is rubbish
Outstanding post lev from a real football fan.That vile group wouldn't even get out of league one mate.Crawley have a better team than that not even on half their money.
[quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Wake up ! That team is rubbish[/p][/quote]Outstanding post lev from a real football fan.That vile group wouldn't even get out of league one mate.Crawley have a better team than that not even on half their money. 100% Pure
  • Score: -13

6:40am Sun 27 Jul 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Bostik wrote:
Both stories regarding todays game have mentioned the "World Cup style water break". Was this the highlight of the game?

Sami looks worried in the picture.
That picture was taken when SH first joined.I wonder what he would look like if a picture was taken now!
[quote][p][bold]Bostik[/bold] wrote: Both stories regarding todays game have mentioned the "World Cup style water break". Was this the highlight of the game? Sami looks worried in the picture.[/p][/quote]That picture was taken when SH first joined.I wonder what he would look like if a picture was taken now! SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 3

6:45am Sun 27 Jul 14

bbb1969 says...

Yeam started crap last year but made the playoffs and we carried many plsys who were not quality. Ok still got some quality issues but we do not have our full squad. I would rsther us get the right players in then just bench warmers.
I will wait and see; the first project under Gus didn't quite work; OG sremed to want an easier ride (unless something went on we do not know about) and for me Sami has signed into a longer term plan; signing young players, and the right ones, over 4 years. Will we reach the playoffs? Don't think so unless the results go our way again. If we have a good run of form then we will be ok and January will see more movement depending where we are.
Yeam started crap last year but made the playoffs and we carried many plsys who were not quality. Ok still got some quality issues but we do not have our full squad. I would rsther us get the right players in then just bench warmers. I will wait and see; the first project under Gus didn't quite work; OG sremed to want an easier ride (unless something went on we do not know about) and for me Sami has signed into a longer term plan; signing young players, and the right ones, over 4 years. Will we reach the playoffs? Don't think so unless the results go our way again. If we have a good run of form then we will be ok and January will see more movement depending where we are. bbb1969
  • Score: 3

7:32am Sun 27 Jul 14

Quiterie says...

If you think we're in a bad position go to the 'thisissouthampton' website (equivalent to the Argus website) and read all of the comments on the latest Chalmers transfer story. Those guys are really tearing their hair out!
If you think we're in a bad position go to the 'thisissouthampton' website (equivalent to the Argus website) and read all of the comments on the latest Chalmers transfer story. Those guys are really tearing their hair out! Quiterie
  • Score: 4

8:01am Sun 27 Jul 14

Garden Gull says...

Although this is not a criticism of management as I feel that quality acquisitions will be delivered i was always surprised that we never signed anyone from the Israeli league under Oscar and only one temporarily from Spain. Likewise no incoming from Germany, Finland or Holland under SH just yet. Think we could be missing a trick here as we haven't done too badly with our overseas signings of late plus they should be better value than more highly sought after UK players - £11m for ross mccormack anyone? And whilst I agree it would be nice to have players in earlier often you need 2 or 3 or 4 clubs to tango before you can get someone signed up - a bit like a house chain. With the window shutting at the end of August it makes things harder especially getting PL players on loan. Harry Redknapp being interviewed by sky sports at midnight every deadline day in his car springs to mind. So even the PL boys struggle and leave it late
Although this is not a criticism of management as I feel that quality acquisitions will be delivered i was always surprised that we never signed anyone from the Israeli league under Oscar and only one temporarily from Spain. Likewise no incoming from Germany, Finland or Holland under SH just yet. Think we could be missing a trick here as we haven't done too badly with our overseas signings of late plus they should be better value than more highly sought after UK players - £11m for ross mccormack anyone? And whilst I agree it would be nice to have players in earlier often you need 2 or 3 or 4 clubs to tango before you can get someone signed up - a bit like a house chain. With the window shutting at the end of August it makes things harder especially getting PL players on loan. Harry Redknapp being interviewed by sky sports at midnight every deadline day in his car springs to mind. So even the PL boys struggle and leave it late Garden Gull
  • Score: 4

8:57am Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

100% Pure wrote:
The lev wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad.

Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen.
Ince.
Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts.
CMS.

Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.
Wake up ! That team is rubbish
Outstanding post lev from a real football fan.That vile group wouldn't even get out of league one mate.Crawley have a better team than that not even on half their money.
Just watched the replay of yesterdays goals and can confirm Ankers is 100% pure.

Sami, please play Walton or get another keeper.

Possibly the worst Albion keeper of all time.
[quote][p][bold]100% Pure[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The lev[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: If push comes to shove we can put out a decent eleven for our first match, all players that have played together before. I am not suggesting that we don't need new recruits because we all know we do, but we are not a crippled squad. Ankergren, Bruno, Greer, Dunk, Chicksen. Ince. Solly, Buckley, JFC, Crofts. CMS. Toko, Hughes, Calde, Walton, Stephens (if fit) and O'Grady on the bench.[/p][/quote]Wake up ! That team is rubbish[/p][/quote]Outstanding post lev from a real football fan.That vile group wouldn't even get out of league one mate.Crawley have a better team than that not even on half their money.[/p][/quote]Just watched the replay of yesterdays goals and can confirm Ankers is 100% pure. Sami, please play Walton or get another keeper. Possibly the worst Albion keeper of all time. ringtone
  • Score: -6

9:08am Sun 27 Jul 14

lenward says...

The moaners on this page will always moan, if we get to the playoffs they will properly moan to why we did not get automatic promotion. If we get automatic promotion they will properly moan to why they did not get a day out at Wembley.
The moaners on this page will always moan, if we get to the playoffs they will properly moan to why we did not get automatic promotion. If we get automatic promotion they will properly moan to why they did not get a day out at Wembley. lenward
  • Score: 4

9:27am Sun 27 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....
I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back..... AlanDuffy
  • Score: 3

9:39am Sun 27 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed.
The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin.
The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line.
I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost.
I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window !
My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so.
To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad !
Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA
Good post and one with which I concur.......just one further thought - Sami has said that the chairman and David Burke are working hard to bring in new players, which would suggest that Tony Bloom is very involved in recruitment and probably has the final say, particularly on the financial aspects of any deal. TB is first and foremost a businessman, and a very good one, my feeling is that despite all the talk of his long family history of involvement with the club, he is unlikely to let his heart rule his head and the club will be run with the aim of turning a profit. I'm quite sure that he will want to see a healthy return on his significant investment. Our expectations should be tempered with this in mind.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed. The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin. The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line. I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost. I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window ! My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so. To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad ! Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and one with which I concur.......just one further thought - Sami has said that the chairman and David Burke are working hard to bring in new players, which would suggest that Tony Bloom is very involved in recruitment and probably has the final say, particularly on the financial aspects of any deal. TB is first and foremost a businessman, and a very good one, my feeling is that despite all the talk of his long family history of involvement with the club, he is unlikely to let his heart rule his head and the club will be run with the aim of turning a profit. I'm quite sure that he will want to see a healthy return on his significant investment. Our expectations should be tempered with this in mind. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 7

9:42am Sun 27 Jul 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

lenward wrote:
The moaners on this page will always moan, if we get to the playoffs they will properly moan to why we did not get automatic promotion. If we get automatic promotion they will properly moan to why they did not get a day out at Wembley.
Probably a fair assessment of some on here.
But there is genuine concern that instead of building a team capable of getting us to the PL (and this can take possibly 3 years) we seem to dismantle the team from the previous year and start again each year.
Hence our lack of a competitive SQUAD at the moment.
I'm also concerned that Chris O'Grady is being targeted as not good enough. Let's give the guy a chance shall we? UTA
[quote][p][bold]lenward[/bold] wrote: The moaners on this page will always moan, if we get to the playoffs they will properly moan to why we did not get automatic promotion. If we get automatic promotion they will properly moan to why they did not get a day out at Wembley.[/p][/quote]Probably a fair assessment of some on here. But there is genuine concern that instead of building a team capable of getting us to the PL (and this can take possibly 3 years) we seem to dismantle the team from the previous year and start again each year. Hence our lack of a competitive SQUAD at the moment. I'm also concerned that Chris O'Grady is being targeted as not good enough. Let's give the guy a chance shall we? UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 4

10:20am Sun 27 Jul 14

Dave in Hastings says...

Can't believe the moaners on here. Short memories or what? This club is building for the long term. Now the Albion have a world class stadium, world class training facilities and a world class academy. It would not surprise me to see the likes of QPR in big trouble soon due to FFP, and I am extremely grateful that we have a board that will not gamble with the future of our club. Yes, it's frustrating that we have not yet made any big name signings, but all the fanciful speculation about 'the suits' is just boring, ill-informed drivel. Face facts that the manager will be restricted by a tight budget for a while, and look forward to a bright future!
Can't believe the moaners on here. Short memories or what? This club is building for the long term. Now the Albion have a world class stadium, world class training facilities and a world class academy. It would not surprise me to see the likes of QPR in big trouble soon due to FFP, and I am extremely grateful that we have a board that will not gamble with the future of our club. Yes, it's frustrating that we have not yet made any big name signings, but all the fanciful speculation about 'the suits' is just boring, ill-informed drivel. Face facts that the manager will be restricted by a tight budget for a while, and look forward to a bright future! Dave in Hastings
  • Score: 5

10:26am Sun 27 Jul 14

JeffLomer says...

Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week,
Up the Albion!!
Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 7

10:36am Sun 27 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week,
Up the Albion!!
Good morning one and all and even to the people that don't like my sense of humour!!
Different day...same headline...but a different picture!!!
If we had caption competition today, what would they be saying??
UTA
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Good morning one and all and even to the people that don't like my sense of humour!! Different day...same headline...but a different picture!!! If we had caption competition today, what would they be saying?? UTA Conelli98
  • Score: 2

10:38am Sun 27 Jul 14

petegh says...

Oh dear. I am an optimist. But I've downgraded my expectations for the Seagulls from "league winners" (too optimistic) to "bottom half" (realistic).

The margin between success and failure in the Championship is very tight indeed. But yesterday's lack of pace, inaccurate passing, poor marking and few ideas could mean the current squad getting hammered.

Only a friendly? It was the same for Peterborough, a Div One side, and yesterday's winners. Above all, let's not blame the pitch before we've even started the new season!

OK, the loss doesn't matter at all. Better to lose 3-0 in a friendly and to show some spark, some lively snatches of play, some intent for the coming campaign, than to win a kick about in the local park.

I expected to at least see something to build upon. It's a perfect time to take chances, attempt some creativity, a showcase for players to persuade everyone that they deserve a place in the first-choice line-up and not to be starting because there is no competition.

Sadly, there was no sign of the quick-break football we were promised against a team even England could beat!

We've sold the only player who could score goals and a lot rests on CMS, a brilliant striker when on form. But is he ready? Will he get the service?

Plus, we've lost two of our best defenders and have a third-choice goalkeeper between the sticks. Not the same brilliant defence as last season, then.

And there's no sign so far of spending the millions we've acquired. I hope and pray that they are playing their cards close to their chests, but the interview with Sami is worrying.

Only TWO weeks to go, remember. I'll eat my words if they manage to win the first game without new talent or that the current squad shows it is hungry for success.

Too harsh? Probably. But, come on Brighton. Prove me wrong. UTA!
Oh dear. I am an optimist. But I've downgraded my expectations for the Seagulls from "league winners" (too optimistic) to "bottom half" (realistic). The margin between success and failure in the Championship is very tight indeed. But yesterday's lack of pace, inaccurate passing, poor marking and few ideas could mean the current squad getting hammered. Only a friendly? It was the same for Peterborough, a Div One side, and yesterday's winners. Above all, let's not blame the pitch before we've even started the new season! OK, the loss doesn't matter at all. Better to lose 3-0 in a friendly and to show some spark, some lively snatches of play, some intent for the coming campaign, than to win a kick about in the local park. I expected to at least see something to build upon. It's a perfect time to take chances, attempt some creativity, a showcase for players to persuade everyone that they deserve a place in the first-choice line-up and not to be starting because there is no competition. Sadly, there was no sign of the quick-break football we were promised against a team even England could beat! We've sold the only player who could score goals and a lot rests on CMS, a brilliant striker when on form. But is he ready? Will he get the service? Plus, we've lost two of our best defenders and have a third-choice goalkeeper between the sticks. Not the same brilliant defence as last season, then. And there's no sign so far of spending the millions we've acquired. I hope and pray that they are playing their cards close to their chests, but the interview with Sami is worrying. Only TWO weeks to go, remember. I'll eat my words if they manage to win the first game without new talent or that the current squad shows it is hungry for success. Too harsh? Probably. But, come on Brighton. Prove me wrong. UTA! petegh
  • Score: 6

10:44am Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....
Well there's some good news, for a change.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....[/p][/quote]Well there's some good news, for a change. ringtone
  • Score: -3

10:50am Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

Dave in Hastings wrote:
Can't believe the moaners on here. Short memories or what? This club is building for the long term. Now the Albion have a world class stadium, world class training facilities and a world class academy. It would not surprise me to see the likes of QPR in big trouble soon due to FFP, and I am extremely grateful that we have a board that will not gamble with the future of our club. Yes, it's frustrating that we have not yet made any big name signings, but all the fanciful speculation about 'the suits' is just boring, ill-informed drivel. Face facts that the manager will be restricted by a tight budget for a while, and look forward to a bright future!
The premiership riches will not be around for ever.

You can imagine the Big four/five looking at how Real and Barca get all the best players and thinking why dont we do our own tv deal.

By the time we get there we will have missed the boat.

Have a nice day
[quote][p][bold]Dave in Hastings[/bold] wrote: Can't believe the moaners on here. Short memories or what? This club is building for the long term. Now the Albion have a world class stadium, world class training facilities and a world class academy. It would not surprise me to see the likes of QPR in big trouble soon due to FFP, and I am extremely grateful that we have a board that will not gamble with the future of our club. Yes, it's frustrating that we have not yet made any big name signings, but all the fanciful speculation about 'the suits' is just boring, ill-informed drivel. Face facts that the manager will be restricted by a tight budget for a while, and look forward to a bright future![/p][/quote]The premiership riches will not be around for ever. You can imagine the Big four/five looking at how Real and Barca get all the best players and thinking why dont we do our own tv deal. By the time we get there we will have missed the boat. Have a nice day ringtone
  • Score: -6

10:50am Sun 27 Jul 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

JeffLomer says...

Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week,
Up the Albion!!

Trouble is Jeff you said that last week............ and the week before..... and
JeffLomer says... Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week, Up the Albion!! Trouble is Jeff you said that last week............ and the week before..... and B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 4

10:51am Sun 27 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

ringtone wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....
Well there's some good news, for a change.
I doubt it makes any difference to his possible availability. Bit of game time, chance for the new manager to see him before packing him off for another season's worth of 'education'.
Whether we actually want to further his experience, is another matter. Not entirely sure what we want at the moment!
Premier League ready? Now there's s phrase that's been put back in the drawer....
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....[/p][/quote]Well there's some good news, for a change.[/p][/quote]I doubt it makes any difference to his possible availability. Bit of game time, chance for the new manager to see him before packing him off for another season's worth of 'education'. Whether we actually want to further his experience, is another matter. Not entirely sure what we want at the moment! Premier League ready? Now there's s phrase that's been put back in the drawer.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

10:59am Sun 27 Jul 14

ballantrrae says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed.
The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin.
The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line.
I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost.
I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window !
My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so.
To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad !
Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA
Good post and one with which I concur.......just one further thought - Sami has said that the chairman and David Burke are working hard to bring in new players, which would suggest that Tony Bloom is very involved in recruitment and probably has the final say, particularly on the financial aspects of any deal. TB is first and foremost a businessman, and a very good one, my feeling is that despite all the talk of his long family history of involvement with the club, he is unlikely to let his heart rule his head and the club will be run with the aim of turning a profit. I'm quite sure that he will want to see a healthy return on his significant investment. Our expectations should be tempered with this in mind.
AlanDuffy I really take your excellent point on board and do agree with your post's common sense content .
Whilst it is clear TB has an involvement with new acquisitions I do not know if he has any contact with the targeted signing, his Agent or even his 'current' club (the most likely area of 3rd party contact) or whether he leaves that to Burke & Co and simply gives the go ahead for offers to be made.
Unfortunately just working hard is not a guarantee of success one needs some ability to go with it - in this instance the ability to close deals which is where possibly the Albion are slipping up.
Reverting to the subject of the thread one of the gaps I think that SH needs to consider plugging is that of Assistant Manager. It is my belief that the roles of Head Coach and Assistant Manager are very different. The HC needs to follow the strategy and brief the Manager determines and coach the team accordingly while the AM should play devil's advocate and challenge the Manager and provide a 'sounding board'.
I appreciate that Lee making his 'U' turn was a blow but it is time SH moved on from that since I think both he (SH) and the club will benefit from having somebody else alongside him It would by the way make the Albion more 'Premier League Ready'.
Onwards, Upwards and hopefully Inwards as far as new signings are concerned - preferably in the next few days.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed. The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin. The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line. I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost. I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window ! My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so. To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad ! Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and one with which I concur.......just one further thought - Sami has said that the chairman and David Burke are working hard to bring in new players, which would suggest that Tony Bloom is very involved in recruitment and probably has the final say, particularly on the financial aspects of any deal. TB is first and foremost a businessman, and a very good one, my feeling is that despite all the talk of his long family history of involvement with the club, he is unlikely to let his heart rule his head and the club will be run with the aim of turning a profit. I'm quite sure that he will want to see a healthy return on his significant investment. Our expectations should be tempered with this in mind.[/p][/quote]AlanDuffy I really take your excellent point on board and do agree with your post's common sense content . Whilst it is clear TB has an involvement with new acquisitions I do not know if he has any contact with the targeted signing, his Agent or even his 'current' club (the most likely area of 3rd party contact) or whether he leaves that to Burke & Co and simply gives the go ahead for offers to be made. Unfortunately just working hard is not a guarantee of success one needs some ability to go with it - in this instance the ability to close deals which is where possibly the Albion are slipping up. Reverting to the subject of the thread one of the gaps I think that SH needs to consider plugging is that of Assistant Manager. It is my belief that the roles of Head Coach and Assistant Manager are very different. The HC needs to follow the strategy and brief the Manager determines and coach the team accordingly while the AM should play devil's advocate and challenge the Manager and provide a 'sounding board'. I appreciate that Lee making his 'U' turn was a blow but it is time SH moved on from that since I think both he (SH) and the club will benefit from having somebody else alongside him It would by the way make the Albion more 'Premier League Ready'. Onwards, Upwards and hopefully Inwards as far as new signings are concerned - preferably in the next few days. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

11:20am Sun 27 Jul 14

Crucial Point says...

I fear these players that will be found to 'plug the holes' (sounds desperate) will be nowhere near the quality of the excellent ones we have seen depart in recent months. Then, come end of season, Sami may well be off like those before him. All rather depressing and no way to run a club.
I fear these players that will be found to 'plug the holes' (sounds desperate) will be nowhere near the quality of the excellent ones we have seen depart in recent months. Then, come end of season, Sami may well be off like those before him. All rather depressing and no way to run a club. Crucial Point
  • Score: 2

11:25am Sun 27 Jul 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
Full of holes Vegus, the players have to want to go out on loan to a selling club which are waving a flag saying no ambition, on your other point if we bought a player for 4 million we could make twice that or more when we sold them, it's obvious they didn't want Leo to go but when he did he also sent a message to potential loan players NO AMBITION.
Now we have to rebuild and take a gamble on players from lower or foreign leagues.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]Full of holes Vegus, the players have to want to go out on loan to a selling club which are waving a flag saying no ambition, on your other point if we bought a player for 4 million we could make twice that or more when we sold them, it's obvious they didn't want Leo to go but when he did he also sent a message to potential loan players NO AMBITION. Now we have to rebuild and take a gamble on players from lower or foreign leagues. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 2

11:27am Sun 27 Jul 14

davida2020 says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Sami just expressing what we've all known for weeks, since the retained list was released, in fact, that we need to strengthen - we know the positions, we have targets, we're told, we have the funds, I can only imagine that the delay is due to negotiations over fees, salaries etc. Even if we get 3-4 in this week, which I doubt, they're not going to integrate into the team for a few weeks. I find it all a little mystifying and frustrating - the August 5th Forum might be interesting!!
At least we are not Blackpool ... Currently with just 8 full squad members no keepers and a spilt boardroom
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Sami just expressing what we've all known for weeks, since the retained list was released, in fact, that we need to strengthen - we know the positions, we have targets, we're told, we have the funds, I can only imagine that the delay is due to negotiations over fees, salaries etc. Even if we get 3-4 in this week, which I doubt, they're not going to integrate into the team for a few weeks. I find it all a little mystifying and frustrating - the August 5th Forum might be interesting!![/p][/quote]At least we are not Blackpool ... Currently with just 8 full squad members no keepers and a spilt boardroom davida2020
  • Score: 5

11:29am Sun 27 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Crucial Point wrote:
I fear these players that will be found to 'plug the holes' (sounds desperate) will be nowhere near the quality of the excellent ones we have seen depart in recent months. Then, come end of season, Sami may well be off like those before him. All rather depressing and no way to run a club.
Surely that depends on what your criteria for the right way to run a club is?
If you want to an unsustainable spend, spend, spend boom and bust scenario then we'll all love the ride for a couple of seasons before ending up like Portsmouth.
The Chairman's philosophy is clearly to create a profitable environment that eventually feeds itself for sustainable, long term improvement.
Certainly not as much fun from where we sit, and as frustrating as heck when all we want is a successful team. But surely if you get the club right, the team will come? The problem is it's a much slower - and more boring - process.
[quote][p][bold]Crucial Point[/bold] wrote: I fear these players that will be found to 'plug the holes' (sounds desperate) will be nowhere near the quality of the excellent ones we have seen depart in recent months. Then, come end of season, Sami may well be off like those before him. All rather depressing and no way to run a club.[/p][/quote]Surely that depends on what your criteria for the right way to run a club is? If you want to an unsustainable spend, spend, spend boom and bust scenario then we'll all love the ride for a couple of seasons before ending up like Portsmouth. The Chairman's philosophy is clearly to create a profitable environment that eventually feeds itself for sustainable, long term improvement. Certainly not as much fun from where we sit, and as frustrating as heck when all we want is a successful team. But surely if you get the club right, the team will come? The problem is it's a much slower - and more boring - process. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

11:29am Sun 27 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

tug509 wrote:
Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA
The problem with castigating David Burke is that in reality he is carrying out Tony Blooms orders and working to Blooms budget and wage structure so in effect any criticsm of DB is an indirect criticsm of TB! I'm sure if he had the budget Burke would bring in a Suarez or a Rooney, after all, what DoF wouldn't want the best players in his team - therefore if anyone deserves criticsm it can only be Tony Bloom!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Burke has no idea , this is 3 seasons on the trot , get rid of this fool . Do we really want to see Sami leave ? because the look on his face says a lot ,this is not how a progressive forward looking Premiership potential club does transfer business , or should it be doesn`t do business , even if 5 decent players walked through the door on Monday morning ,they still wouldn`t have acclimatized to the Albions style of play by the 9th . We had a lousy start to last season and still made top 6 , all down to an incredible run of bad luck with injuries , this season we are likely to start badly , but there wont be any excuse other than ,we are afflicted with burkeitis , symptoms include ,tardiness ,tightness and a lack of passion for the club . UTA[/p][/quote]The problem with castigating David Burke is that in reality he is carrying out Tony Blooms orders and working to Blooms budget and wage structure so in effect any criticsm of DB is an indirect criticsm of TB! I'm sure if he had the budget Burke would bring in a Suarez or a Rooney, after all, what DoF wouldn't want the best players in his team - therefore if anyone deserves criticsm it can only be Tony Bloom! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 12

11:33am Sun 27 Jul 14

jarmonesque says...

Average new 1901 fan on here: "Moan, moan, moan. My 1901 business tax evasion seats cost 3000 pounds, I'll go and watch rugby instead" we've been in much much worse position s than this ffs, if you're a fan, get behind the club, if you're a corporate numpty, stop moaning, support or go.
Average new 1901 fan on here: "Moan, moan, moan. My 1901 business tax evasion seats cost 3000 pounds, I'll go and watch rugby instead" we've been in much much worse position s than this ffs, if you're a fan, get behind the club, if you're a corporate numpty, stop moaning, support or go. jarmonesque
  • Score: 6

11:37am Sun 27 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
Full of holes Vegus, the players have to want to go out on loan to a selling club which are waving a flag saying no ambition, on your other point if we bought a player for 4 million we could make twice that or more when we sold them, it's obvious they didn't want Leo to go but when he did he also sent a message to potential loan players NO AMBITION.
Now we have to rebuild and take a gamble on players from lower or foreign leagues.
Sorry, but i think your reply is full of holes!
Firstly, selling Leo had nothing to do with lack of ambition, but an understanding of the reality that keeping a player who wants to take his chance NOW is the best all-round approach in terms of finance, squad harmony and stability.
More importantly, your theory that we could buy a player for 4 million and make a profit when we sold him, was EXACTLY the type of scenario for Ulloa - and you've criticised the club for following what you advocate.
As for Vegas' original question, buying or loaning is a mortgage or rent scenario. I'd prefer the mortgage route in that you can always sell on - funnily enough, as we did with Ulloa.
And yep, I've said before I'd sooner we waited and got the right players than rush out and buy square pegs for round holes - and then try and re-shape the holes...
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]Full of holes Vegus, the players have to want to go out on loan to a selling club which are waving a flag saying no ambition, on your other point if we bought a player for 4 million we could make twice that or more when we sold them, it's obvious they didn't want Leo to go but when he did he also sent a message to potential loan players NO AMBITION. Now we have to rebuild and take a gamble on players from lower or foreign leagues.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but i think your reply is full of holes! Firstly, selling Leo had nothing to do with lack of ambition, but an understanding of the reality that keeping a player who wants to take his chance NOW is the best all-round approach in terms of finance, squad harmony and stability. More importantly, your theory that we could buy a player for 4 million and make a profit when we sold him, was EXACTLY the type of scenario for Ulloa - and you've criticised the club for following what you advocate. As for Vegas' original question, buying or loaning is a mortgage or rent scenario. I'd prefer the mortgage route in that you can always sell on - funnily enough, as we did with Ulloa. And yep, I've said before I'd sooner we waited and got the right players than rush out and buy square pegs for round holes - and then try and re-shape the holes... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 6

11:52am Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! .
I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA
The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! . I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 7

11:58am Sun 27 Jul 14

Jimmy Langley says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
ringtone wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....
Well there's some good news, for a change.
I doubt it makes any difference to his possible availability. Bit of game time, chance for the new manager to see him before packing him off for another season's worth of 'education'.
Whether we actually want to further his experience, is another matter. Not entirely sure what we want at the moment!
Premier League ready? Now there's s phrase that's been put back in the drawer....
Yes "Premier League ready" was the buzz phrase we were being fed by The Albion Executive Management towards the end of Poyet's reign. It was explained to us that every Albion action was taken with this in mind. Certainly the building of the AMEX and the new training ground was evidence of intent.
However our off field activity needs to be matched by our playing performance and in this respect we are not progressing. Poyet's team contained:-
Thomas Kuszczak
Wayne Bridge
Mathew Upson
Liam Bridcutt
Leo Ulloa
all of whom were arguably "Premier League ready". But they've all gone!
How many of our present squad would fit that description?
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....[/p][/quote]Well there's some good news, for a change.[/p][/quote]I doubt it makes any difference to his possible availability. Bit of game time, chance for the new manager to see him before packing him off for another season's worth of 'education'. Whether we actually want to further his experience, is another matter. Not entirely sure what we want at the moment! Premier League ready? Now there's s phrase that's been put back in the drawer....[/p][/quote]Yes "Premier League ready" was the buzz phrase we were being fed by The Albion Executive Management towards the end of Poyet's reign. It was explained to us that every Albion action was taken with this in mind. Certainly the building of the AMEX and the new training ground was evidence of intent. However our off field activity needs to be matched by our playing performance and in this respect we are not progressing. Poyet's team contained:- Thomas Kuszczak Wayne Bridge Mathew Upson Liam Bridcutt Leo Ulloa all of whom were arguably "Premier League ready". But they've all gone! How many of our present squad would fit that description? Jimmy Langley
  • Score: 12

12:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

kjohnson says...

Brighton Bluenose you are the first person I think that has got it right. Burke is working to Tony Bloom's budget and wage structure. The fact that Stephen Ward may be wanting 13k a week to come back this season gives you a clue of the kind of wage structure on offer this season. You figure our what kind if players we are able to or perhaps not able to attract! Hence our frustration and Sami becoming more so. Those accusing Burke of not having clue are not seeing what is really happening.
Brighton Bluenose you are the first person I think that has got it right. Burke is working to Tony Bloom's budget and wage structure. The fact that Stephen Ward may be wanting 13k a week to come back this season gives you a clue of the kind of wage structure on offer this season. You figure our what kind if players we are able to or perhaps not able to attract! Hence our frustration and Sami becoming more so. Those accusing Burke of not having clue are not seeing what is really happening. kjohnson
  • Score: 5

12:26pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

jarmonesque wrote:
Average new 1901 fan on here: "Moan, moan, moan. My 1901 business tax evasion seats cost 3000 pounds, I'll go and watch rugby instead" we've been in much much worse position s than this ffs, if you're a fan, get behind the club, if you're a corporate numpty, stop moaning, support or go.
That seems a very insular attitude , if you disagree with anything the club says or does ,because of your love for The Albion ,and you care enough to question them you are not a fan ,but if you blindly follow like sheep you are ? .
[quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: Average new 1901 fan on here: "Moan, moan, moan. My 1901 business tax evasion seats cost 3000 pounds, I'll go and watch rugby instead" we've been in much much worse position s than this ffs, if you're a fan, get behind the club, if you're a corporate numpty, stop moaning, support or go.[/p][/quote]That seems a very insular attitude , if you disagree with anything the club says or does ,because of your love for The Albion ,and you care enough to question them you are not a fan ,but if you blindly follow like sheep you are ? . tug509
  • Score: 5

12:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

Jimmy Langley wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
ringtone wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....
Well there's some good news, for a change.
I doubt it makes any difference to his possible availability. Bit of game time, chance for the new manager to see him before packing him off for another season's worth of 'education'.
Whether we actually want to further his experience, is another matter. Not entirely sure what we want at the moment!
Premier League ready? Now there's s phrase that's been put back in the drawer....
Yes "Premier League ready" was the buzz phrase we were being fed by The Albion Executive Management towards the end of Poyet's reign. It was explained to us that every Albion action was taken with this in mind. Certainly the building of the AMEX and the new training ground was evidence of intent.
However our off field activity needs to be matched by our playing performance and in this respect we are not progressing. Poyet's team contained:-
Thomas Kuszczak
Wayne Bridge
Mathew Upson
Liam Bridcutt
Leo Ulloa
all of whom were arguably "Premier League ready". But they've all gone!
How many of our present squad would fit that description?
That's an easy one...........none.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Langley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I see Lingard played the second half for Man U against Roma, so we can probably forget about getting him back.....[/p][/quote]Well there's some good news, for a change.[/p][/quote]I doubt it makes any difference to his possible availability. Bit of game time, chance for the new manager to see him before packing him off for another season's worth of 'education'. Whether we actually want to further his experience, is another matter. Not entirely sure what we want at the moment! Premier League ready? Now there's s phrase that's been put back in the drawer....[/p][/quote]Yes "Premier League ready" was the buzz phrase we were being fed by The Albion Executive Management towards the end of Poyet's reign. It was explained to us that every Albion action was taken with this in mind. Certainly the building of the AMEX and the new training ground was evidence of intent. However our off field activity needs to be matched by our playing performance and in this respect we are not progressing. Poyet's team contained:- Thomas Kuszczak Wayne Bridge Mathew Upson Liam Bridcutt Leo Ulloa all of whom were arguably "Premier League ready". But they've all gone! How many of our present squad would fit that description?[/p][/quote]That's an easy one...........none. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

12:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

davida2020 wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
Sami just expressing what we've all known for weeks, since the retained list was released, in fact, that we need to strengthen - we know the positions, we have targets, we're told, we have the funds, I can only imagine that the delay is due to negotiations over fees, salaries etc. Even if we get 3-4 in this week, which I doubt, they're not going to integrate into the team for a few weeks. I find it all a little mystifying and frustrating - the August 5th Forum might be interesting!!
At least we are not Blackpool ... Currently with just 8 full squad members no keepers and a spilt boardroom
.....And that makes you content with our situation?
[quote][p][bold]davida2020[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: Sami just expressing what we've all known for weeks, since the retained list was released, in fact, that we need to strengthen - we know the positions, we have targets, we're told, we have the funds, I can only imagine that the delay is due to negotiations over fees, salaries etc. Even if we get 3-4 in this week, which I doubt, they're not going to integrate into the team for a few weeks. I find it all a little mystifying and frustrating - the August 5th Forum might be interesting!![/p][/quote]At least we are not Blackpool ... Currently with just 8 full squad members no keepers and a spilt boardroom[/p][/quote].....And that makes you content with our situation? AlanDuffy
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

ballantrrae wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed.
The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin.
The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line.
I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost.
I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window !
My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so.
To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad !
Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA
Good post and one with which I concur.......just one further thought - Sami has said that the chairman and David Burke are working hard to bring in new players, which would suggest that Tony Bloom is very involved in recruitment and probably has the final say, particularly on the financial aspects of any deal. TB is first and foremost a businessman, and a very good one, my feeling is that despite all the talk of his long family history of involvement with the club, he is unlikely to let his heart rule his head and the club will be run with the aim of turning a profit. I'm quite sure that he will want to see a healthy return on his significant investment. Our expectations should be tempered with this in mind.
AlanDuffy I really take your excellent point on board and do agree with your post's common sense content .
Whilst it is clear TB has an involvement with new acquisitions I do not know if he has any contact with the targeted signing, his Agent or even his 'current' club (the most likely area of 3rd party contact) or whether he leaves that to Burke & Co and simply gives the go ahead for offers to be made.
Unfortunately just working hard is not a guarantee of success one needs some ability to go with it - in this instance the ability to close deals which is where possibly the Albion are slipping up.
Reverting to the subject of the thread one of the gaps I think that SH needs to consider plugging is that of Assistant Manager. It is my belief that the roles of Head Coach and Assistant Manager are very different. The HC needs to follow the strategy and brief the Manager determines and coach the team accordingly while the AM should play devil's advocate and challenge the Manager and provide a 'sounding board'.
I appreciate that Lee making his 'U' turn was a blow but it is time SH moved on from that since I think both he (SH) and the club will benefit from having somebody else alongside him It would by the way make the Albion more 'Premier League Ready'.
Onwards, Upwards and hopefully Inwards as far as new signings are concerned - preferably in the next few days.
I suspect you are right- TB sets the parameters - what we are willing to pay, salary, length of contract etc. - and DB has to find players that fit. Not an easy task. I read somewhere that TB employs a team of people who come up with a predictive model upon which basis he places his bets. It might be that a similar approach is being used to target new players. If so, I'd put it's success rate at about 50%. We need better.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Most posters are saying pretty much the same thing especially those who either saw the game live or watched the YouTube feed. The performance was disappointing and very disjointed. It is quite clear the squad needs strengthening. Unfortunately the people tasked with remedying that (to SH's brief) seem to lack the ability to deliver. That is the perception most of us appear to have and our patience is wearing thin. The impression one gets is that they are adept at producing all the background and statistical info on potential acquisitions and exactly which players might be available but not so effective with regards to the other half of the job which is getting targets to sign on the doted line. I don't sense any degree of urgency regarding this other than from Hyypia (who has consistently said he wants players in asap). Whilst recruiting players is better late than never we might never perhaps actually catch up on the time already lost. I am beginning to wonder if Burke has been informed that the season starts in 2 weeks. I feel he is geared up to the window closing 1 September or even to the end of the January window ! My hope is that somebody asks Tony Bloom and Paul Barber some searching questions at the 5 August Forum about Burke and the Recruitment team - it may just be that as a result they realise there is a serious (potential) problem with that department. I only regret I can't be there to do so. To end on a positive note now that we have the £8 million from Ulloa's sale we should be able to sign either permanently or on season-long loans some quality players. Players with the talent to grace the great stadium and training centre that Tony Bloom has kindly and generously funded for the Albion. I must say if I were Tony Bloom and I had invested millions in BHA and sold my most valuable player thereby providing the Cash to sign new players and that did not happen I would be hopping mad ! Here's hoping for a few new faces this week to prove us all wrong. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and one with which I concur.......just one further thought - Sami has said that the chairman and David Burke are working hard to bring in new players, which would suggest that Tony Bloom is very involved in recruitment and probably has the final say, particularly on the financial aspects of any deal. TB is first and foremost a businessman, and a very good one, my feeling is that despite all the talk of his long family history of involvement with the club, he is unlikely to let his heart rule his head and the club will be run with the aim of turning a profit. I'm quite sure that he will want to see a healthy return on his significant investment. Our expectations should be tempered with this in mind.[/p][/quote]AlanDuffy I really take your excellent point on board and do agree with your post's common sense content . Whilst it is clear TB has an involvement with new acquisitions I do not know if he has any contact with the targeted signing, his Agent or even his 'current' club (the most likely area of 3rd party contact) or whether he leaves that to Burke & Co and simply gives the go ahead for offers to be made. Unfortunately just working hard is not a guarantee of success one needs some ability to go with it - in this instance the ability to close deals which is where possibly the Albion are slipping up. Reverting to the subject of the thread one of the gaps I think that SH needs to consider plugging is that of Assistant Manager. It is my belief that the roles of Head Coach and Assistant Manager are very different. The HC needs to follow the strategy and brief the Manager determines and coach the team accordingly while the AM should play devil's advocate and challenge the Manager and provide a 'sounding board'. I appreciate that Lee making his 'U' turn was a blow but it is time SH moved on from that since I think both he (SH) and the club will benefit from having somebody else alongside him It would by the way make the Albion more 'Premier League Ready'. Onwards, Upwards and hopefully Inwards as far as new signings are concerned - preferably in the next few days.[/p][/quote]I suspect you are right- TB sets the parameters - what we are willing to pay, salary, length of contract etc. - and DB has to find players that fit. Not an easy task. I read somewhere that TB employs a team of people who come up with a predictive model upon which basis he places his bets. It might be that a similar approach is being used to target new players. If so, I'd put it's success rate at about 50%. We need better. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 7

12:43pm Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week,
Up the Albion!!
Good morning one and all and even to the people that don't like my sense of humour!!
Different day...same headline...but a different picture!!!
If we had caption competition today, what would they be saying??
UTA
Sami to Darren: If I had Gus's Division one side, we'd have wiped the floor with you!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Different day same headline after yesterdays game, let's enjoy the sunshine and look forward to new signings arriving this coming week, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Good morning one and all and even to the people that don't like my sense of humour!! Different day...same headline...but a different picture!!! If we had caption competition today, what would they be saying?? UTA[/p][/quote]Sami to Darren: If I had Gus's Division one side, we'd have wiped the floor with you! gordongull
  • Score: 4

12:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
Full of holes Vegus, the players have to want to go out on loan to a selling club which are waving a flag saying no ambition, on your other point if we bought a player for 4 million we could make twice that or more when we sold them, it's obvious they didn't want Leo to go but when he did he also sent a message to potential loan players NO AMBITION.
Now we have to rebuild and take a gamble on players from lower or foreign leagues.
Why does a loan player need the club to have ambition?
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]Full of holes Vegus, the players have to want to go out on loan to a selling club which are waving a flag saying no ambition, on your other point if we bought a player for 4 million we could make twice that or more when we sold them, it's obvious they didn't want Leo to go but when he did he also sent a message to potential loan players NO AMBITION. Now we have to rebuild and take a gamble on players from lower or foreign leagues.[/p][/quote]Why does a loan player need the club to have ambition? gordongull
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Don't worry about a thing, cause every little thing is gonna be alright , Woke up this morning, I looked at the rising sun, the three littles b's up in my mindset, signing three on, with qualities pure and true, that was their message to you ou ou. 😍😍😍
Don't worry about a thing, cause every little thing is gonna be alright , Woke up this morning, I looked at the rising sun, the three littles b's up in my mindset, signing three on, with qualities pure and true, that was their message to you ou ou. 😍😍😍 Conelli98
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

We have just had a shirt competition--why not have a competition for the players already at the Club---they must know loads of players, many who must be good. Get the players to suss out which of their friends would like to come and play at Brighton??. Not such a daft idea. When I worked in the Financial sector my company paid 500 quid in M & S vouchers if we could find a good guy who wanted to work for us and stay at least 6 months. I earned 1000 vouchers!!
Bet this gets loads of thumbs down, but what do I care---we have to think of something to get players interested in wanting to come to BHA!!!!
We have just had a shirt competition--why not have a competition for the players already at the Club---they must know loads of players, many who must be good. Get the players to suss out which of their friends would like to come and play at Brighton??. Not such a daft idea. When I worked in the Financial sector my company paid 500 quid in M & S vouchers if we could find a good guy who wanted to work for us and stay at least 6 months. I earned 1000 vouchers!! Bet this gets loads of thumbs down, but what do I care---we have to think of something to get players interested in wanting to come to BHA!!!! mikeygit
  • Score: -3

1:13pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

People seem to think that it's easy finding and signing the right players. Once the player is identified all Bloom and Burke need to do is speak to his club, speak to his agent and speak to the player. All that done, be prepared to pay more than you want to in fees, pay bigger wages if you have to and the deal is done. Now we just have to do that 5 or 6 times and all our problems are solved.

If getting a deal done is so easy, why is TK still out of work? He is a quality keeper, his agent is free to talk to any club. The only fee involved would be a, 'golden hello,' so just wages and length of contract to sort out. One guy with one agent but no offers. Maybe signing new players isn't as easy as some may think. Or perhaps some will say that TK can't get a deal because he just isn't good enough, surely not.

The point I am making is, if a good player who wants a contract can't get one, think how much harder it is for us to get a good player who already has a contract and is most likely wanted to be kept by his manager and club.
People seem to think that it's easy finding and signing the right players. Once the player is identified all Bloom and Burke need to do is speak to his club, speak to his agent and speak to the player. All that done, be prepared to pay more than you want to in fees, pay bigger wages if you have to and the deal is done. Now we just have to do that 5 or 6 times and all our problems are solved. If getting a deal done is so easy, why is TK still out of work? He is a quality keeper, his agent is free to talk to any club. The only fee involved would be a, 'golden hello,' so just wages and length of contract to sort out. One guy with one agent but no offers. Maybe signing new players isn't as easy as some may think. Or perhaps some will say that TK can't get a deal because he just isn't good enough, surely not. The point I am making is, if a good player who wants a contract can't get one, think how much harder it is for us to get a good player who already has a contract and is most likely wanted to be kept by his manager and club. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

1:15pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Cockwomble says...

tug509 wrote:
The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! .
I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA
sure i read that burke played at high nonleague level.he has also coached so must hold coaching qualifications.he also has a sports related degree.where did you hear that all his previous clubs hated him?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! . I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA[/p][/quote]sure i read that burke played at high nonleague level.he has also coached so must hold coaching qualifications.he also has a sports related degree.where did you hear that all his previous clubs hated him? Cockwomble
  • Score: -1

1:23pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Cockwomble wrote:
tug509 wrote:
The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! .
I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA
sure i read that burke played at high nonleague level.he has also coached so must hold coaching qualifications.he also has a sports related degree.where did you hear that all his previous clubs hated him?
High non-league level ,so did half a dozen lads on this site !
Where has he coached ?
A sports related degree ,so does a personal trainer !
SHOW ME WHERE I SAID PREVIOUS CLUBS HATED HIM !!
[quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! . I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA[/p][/quote]sure i read that burke played at high nonleague level.he has also coached so must hold coaching qualifications.he also has a sports related degree.where did you hear that all his previous clubs hated him?[/p][/quote]High non-league level ,so did half a dozen lads on this site ! Where has he coached ? A sports related degree ,so does a personal trainer ! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID PREVIOUS CLUBS HATED HIM !! tug509
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
People seem to think that it's easy finding and signing the right players. Once the player is identified all Bloom and Burke need to do is speak to his club, speak to his agent and speak to the player. All that done, be prepared to pay more than you want to in fees, pay bigger wages if you have to and the deal is done. Now we just have to do that 5 or 6 times and all our problems are solved.

If getting a deal done is so easy, why is TK still out of work? He is a quality keeper, his agent is free to talk to any club. The only fee involved would be a, 'golden hello,' so just wages and length of contract to sort out. One guy with one agent but no offers. Maybe signing new players isn't as easy as some may think. Or perhaps some will say that TK can't get a deal because he just isn't good enough, surely not.

The point I am making is, if a good player who wants a contract can't get one, think how much harder it is for us to get a good player who already has a contract and is most likely wanted to be kept by his manager and club.
I think Ex-pat Arnie highlighted the mistakes TK made in the closing weeks of last season.

And I agree with him as do the 92 football clubs in the land.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: People seem to think that it's easy finding and signing the right players. Once the player is identified all Bloom and Burke need to do is speak to his club, speak to his agent and speak to the player. All that done, be prepared to pay more than you want to in fees, pay bigger wages if you have to and the deal is done. Now we just have to do that 5 or 6 times and all our problems are solved. If getting a deal done is so easy, why is TK still out of work? He is a quality keeper, his agent is free to talk to any club. The only fee involved would be a, 'golden hello,' so just wages and length of contract to sort out. One guy with one agent but no offers. Maybe signing new players isn't as easy as some may think. Or perhaps some will say that TK can't get a deal because he just isn't good enough, surely not. The point I am making is, if a good player who wants a contract can't get one, think how much harder it is for us to get a good player who already has a contract and is most likely wanted to be kept by his manager and club.[/p][/quote]I think Ex-pat Arnie highlighted the mistakes TK made in the closing weeks of last season. And I agree with him as do the 92 football clubs in the land. ringtone
  • Score: -2

1:33pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

tug509 wrote:
Cockwomble wrote:
tug509 wrote:
The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! .
I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA
sure i read that burke played at high nonleague level.he has also coached so must hold coaching qualifications.he also has a sports related degree.where did you hear that all his previous clubs hated him?
High non-league level ,so did half a dozen lads on this site !
Where has he coached ?
A sports related degree ,so does a personal trainer !
SHOW ME WHERE I SAID PREVIOUS CLUBS HATED HIM !!
Cockwomble you have made a big mistake.

I like a bit of banter but i wouldn't choose to go head to head with Tug.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cockwomble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: The part of all this that I struggle to understand is that ,Burke as far as I am aware ,never played football ,never managed a club ,and was never a coach ,unyet he is the one choosing our players ,discussing terms and finalising contracts . So in my humble opinion ,the one person in our club that doesn`t have any actual hands on football experience is calling all the shots ! . I have mentioned my admiration for Barry Fry several times recently ,and my reasons are simple ,Barry Fry played league football ,was a first team coach , was a manager , was a director ,was a chairman ,and was an owner ,he`s been there at every level ,and now he is DOF at Peterborough ,and understands like no other DOF how not to screw it up ,so we have polar opposites ,one who knows what he is doing and one who according to Southampton ,Man City ,and Fulham hasn`t got a clue ,it seems to be taking us a long time to figure that out !. UTA[/p][/quote]sure i read that burke played at high nonleague level.he has also coached so must hold coaching qualifications.he also has a sports related degree.where did you hear that all his previous clubs hated him?[/p][/quote]High non-league level ,so did half a dozen lads on this site ! Where has he coached ? A sports related degree ,so does a personal trainer ! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID PREVIOUS CLUBS HATED HIM !![/p][/quote]Cockwomble you have made a big mistake. I like a bit of banter but i wouldn't choose to go head to head with Tug. ringtone
  • Score: 4

1:37pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Claude Back says...

tug509 wrote:
jarmonesque wrote:
Average new 1901 fan on here: "Moan, moan, moan. My 1901 business tax evasion seats cost 3000 pounds, I'll go and watch rugby instead" we've been in much much worse position s than this ffs, if you're a fan, get behind the club, if you're a corporate numpty, stop moaning, support or go.
That seems a very insular attitude , if you disagree with anything the club says or does ,because of your love for The Albion ,and you care enough to question them you are not a fan ,but if you blindly follow like sheep you are ? .
Very succinctly put, Tug.
T.B. should not be beyond criticism. Yes, he has done a lot for us but he is not infallible. He made money from various things but he is not Brain of Britain. Making a lot of money does not mean you are very intelligent. On the contrary, in my experience there are many people who are not very bright who make loads of money. The trick is to surround yourself with really clever people when in an environment you are not familiar with. My point is, that T.B. should have another look at the Albion set-up because I think he has been ill advised with this DoF thing.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: Average new 1901 fan on here: "Moan, moan, moan. My 1901 business tax evasion seats cost 3000 pounds, I'll go and watch rugby instead" we've been in much much worse position s than this ffs, if you're a fan, get behind the club, if you're a corporate numpty, stop moaning, support or go.[/p][/quote]That seems a very insular attitude , if you disagree with anything the club says or does ,because of your love for The Albion ,and you care enough to question them you are not a fan ,but if you blindly follow like sheep you are ? .[/p][/quote]Very succinctly put, Tug. T.B. should not be beyond criticism. Yes, he has done a lot for us but he is not infallible. He made money from various things but he is not Brain of Britain. Making a lot of money does not mean you are very intelligent. On the contrary, in my experience there are many people who are not very bright who make loads of money. The trick is to surround yourself with really clever people when in an environment you are not familiar with. My point is, that T.B. should have another look at the Albion set-up because I think he has been ill advised with this DoF thing. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

The man with a sports related degree chooses the players for the guy who has a distinguished career in the game, having played and managed at the very top.

This is not a joke.
The man with a sports related degree chooses the players for the guy who has a distinguished career in the game, having played and managed at the very top. This is not a joke. gordongull
  • Score: 10

2:04pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Good morning Cluade - Tug.
Just a day or so ago Hyypia went public re the frustration he ws feeling regarding new players not arriving, but in the same statement he also said how Bloom and Burke were working hard every day to get our new players. He went on to say that the timing of new arrivals was not in his hands.

My take on that is that is that the delay in getting new players signed up is not due to lack of effort by Bloom and Burke, and it might not even be about money, well not in all cases.

If Sami had a problem with Bloom/Burke over their attempts to get players in, he could have phrased his comments differently, he could have covered his own rear end. 'I have identified 4 players I want broguht in, the Chairman and DoF are aware of my preferences.'
If it were just a matter of money again Hyypia could have said something else. 'we have targets identified and we have spoken to their clubs but, their evaluations do not meet ours.' Sami might have said that we have spoken to a player or players, and their wage demands are not realistic.

Sami says none of these things, but he does praise Bloom and Burke and points to their daily efforts when doing so. To me this is an indicator that the key players we are after, maybe as many as three, are indeed loan targets, and the frustration stems from their parent clubs not being ready to finalise a deal. Man United have yet to announce their release list, so my guess is that they also have to decide who will and who will not go out on loan, other top clubs might also still be making decisions.
Good morning Cluade - Tug. Just a day or so ago Hyypia went public re the frustration he ws feeling regarding new players not arriving, but in the same statement he also said how Bloom and Burke were working hard every day to get our new players. He went on to say that the timing of new arrivals was not in his hands. My take on that is that is that the delay in getting new players signed up is not due to lack of effort by Bloom and Burke, and it might not even be about money, well not in all cases. If Sami had a problem with Bloom/Burke over their attempts to get players in, he could have phrased his comments differently, he could have covered his own rear end. 'I have identified 4 players I want broguht in, the Chairman and DoF are aware of my preferences.' If it were just a matter of money again Hyypia could have said something else. 'we have targets identified and we have spoken to their clubs but, their evaluations do not meet ours.' Sami might have said that we have spoken to a player or players, and their wage demands are not realistic. Sami says none of these things, but he does praise Bloom and Burke and points to their daily efforts when doing so. To me this is an indicator that the key players we are after, maybe as many as three, are indeed loan targets, and the frustration stems from their parent clubs not being ready to finalise a deal. Man United have yet to announce their release list, so my guess is that they also have to decide who will and who will not go out on loan, other top clubs might also still be making decisions. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

2:33pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Neville says...

The problem with the current set up is that for nearly three seasons now we have retrospective action as opposed to proactive when we know players are moving on,this is the point I find frustrating and unforgivable.
I covered this in a previous article but how many instances have there been when it is known players are going to leave come season end or before and nothing is done until they have gone and we end up with an insufficient loanee or no replacement.
Barnes was a classic example he had no intention of signing a one year extension around Dec time as he quite rightly wanted the security of longer contract for his family,understandabl
y so and then he left and no replacement. Bridcutt the same we knew he was on his way pre season and no replacement. El Abd similar circumstances and again left us short of players.
Surely the role of D of F is to be one step of the game something that has been lacking constantly.
It was known TK was going at the end of season and why on earth haven't we secured a GK. Brezovan gone and rightly so,Ankergren clearly not good enough in my opinion and Walton needs to be deputy to a seasoned professional keeper.
I hold 2 season tickets and have supported the club since a boy but there is something seriously wrong with the comms and I feel the fans are being kept totally in the dark,except when PB wants to promote or sell something and then we have the spin. The website said that fans flocked to the opening of the new store last Thursday,well I was there and they did not a queue of 20 initially at 1100 and then quiet the majority of the day, the club need to be more open and honest about what the future plans are,it seems that the 5 year PL plan is hopelessly off target now by a combination of ill planning and financial restraint.
There have been lots of disquiet from fans on thiss site and I note the Argus plan to cover this tomorrow however there are many totally blinkered contribute on this site who thumbs down anything that shows the club is far from perfect,they need to get real, real fans are genuinely concerned the way things are going.
Finally I am led to believe that 3 players are due to be signed by Friday,I hope this is the case,if not then thumbs down no problem but the acquisition of loanees is not the answer,one perhaps.
The problem with the current set up is that for nearly three seasons now we have retrospective action as opposed to proactive when we know players are moving on,this is the point I find frustrating and unforgivable. I covered this in a previous article but how many instances have there been when it is known players are going to leave come season end or before and nothing is done until they have gone and we end up with an insufficient loanee or no replacement. Barnes was a classic example he had no intention of signing a one year extension around Dec time as he quite rightly wanted the security of longer contract for his family,understandabl y so and then he left and no replacement. Bridcutt the same we knew he was on his way pre season and no replacement. El Abd similar circumstances and again left us short of players. Surely the role of D of F is to be one step of the game something that has been lacking constantly. It was known TK was going at the end of season and why on earth haven't we secured a GK. Brezovan gone and rightly so,Ankergren clearly not good enough in my opinion and Walton needs to be deputy to a seasoned professional keeper. I hold 2 season tickets and have supported the club since a boy but there is something seriously wrong with the comms and I feel the fans are being kept totally in the dark,except when PB wants to promote or sell something and then we have the spin. The website said that fans flocked to the opening of the new store last Thursday,well I was there and they did not a queue of 20 initially at 1100 and then quiet the majority of the day, the club need to be more open and honest about what the future plans are,it seems that the 5 year PL plan is hopelessly off target now by a combination of ill planning and financial restraint. There have been lots of disquiet from fans on thiss site and I note the Argus plan to cover this tomorrow however there are many totally blinkered contribute on this site who thumbs down anything that shows the club is far from perfect,they need to get real, real fans are genuinely concerned the way things are going. Finally I am led to believe that 3 players are due to be signed by Friday,I hope this is the case,if not then thumbs down no problem but the acquisition of loanees is not the answer,one perhaps. Neville
  • Score: -12

2:33pm Sun 27 Jul 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

I think what concerns me is that it seems that TB is looking for compliant people and that large, strong characters are not truly what's wanted.

Both the managers who left were very strong characters in their own different styles. Also find it interesting that OG named TB and PB as two people he was very grateful to, in addition to us fans. He didn't mention NJ by name so I was surprised to hear that Nathan was asked to go to Israel with Oscar. According to Nathan's interview.

Something isn't quite feeling congruent about this whole set up and what we, the fans, are being told. As many on here have commented, the Forum on 5th August will be a great chance to hear from the 'horses mouths' whilst also seeing the look in their eyes.

Still looking forward to the announcement of the strong signings.
I think what concerns me is that it seems that TB is looking for compliant people and that large, strong characters are not truly what's wanted. Both the managers who left were very strong characters in their own different styles. Also find it interesting that OG named TB and PB as two people he was very grateful to, in addition to us fans. He didn't mention NJ by name so I was surprised to hear that Nathan was asked to go to Israel with Oscar. According to Nathan's interview. Something isn't quite feeling congruent about this whole set up and what we, the fans, are being told. As many on here have commented, the Forum on 5th August will be a great chance to hear from the 'horses mouths' whilst also seeing the look in their eyes. Still looking forward to the announcement of the strong signings. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 5

2:45pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think what concerns me is that it seems that TB is looking for compliant people and that large, strong characters are not truly what's wanted.

Both the managers who left were very strong characters in their own different styles. Also find it interesting that OG named TB and PB as two people he was very grateful to, in addition to us fans. He didn't mention NJ by name so I was surprised to hear that Nathan was asked to go to Israel with Oscar. According to Nathan's interview.

Something isn't quite feeling congruent about this whole set up and what we, the fans, are being told. As many on here have commented, the Forum on 5th August will be a great chance to hear from the 'horses mouths' whilst also seeing the look in their eyes.

Still looking forward to the announcement of the strong signings.
We got Dunk to put pen to paper on a new 4 year contract, what more do you want?
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think what concerns me is that it seems that TB is looking for compliant people and that large, strong characters are not truly what's wanted. Both the managers who left were very strong characters in their own different styles. Also find it interesting that OG named TB and PB as two people he was very grateful to, in addition to us fans. He didn't mention NJ by name so I was surprised to hear that Nathan was asked to go to Israel with Oscar. According to Nathan's interview. Something isn't quite feeling congruent about this whole set up and what we, the fans, are being told. As many on here have commented, the Forum on 5th August will be a great chance to hear from the 'horses mouths' whilst also seeing the look in their eyes. Still looking forward to the announcement of the strong signings.[/p][/quote]We got Dunk to put pen to paper on a new 4 year contract, what more do you want? ringtone
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

Neville---My personal opinion is that as a long standing supporter of the Albion you have more right to your opinions than some---no disrespect to others. Your post is measured and correct. In any organisation where you deal with the public you have to keep certain things under wraps but with this the third season where there is a great deal of uncertainty I think the board owe it to their loyal fans--like yourself---to be a little more open and honest and let everyone know what is going on. i get the feeling we are being fobbed off. It needs a strong statement of intent so that as fans we can feel a little more confident of their ability to get a difficult job done well---answers to questions as to who they would wish to come in, why do players not seem to want to come to Brighton---if that is the case-- is there a shortage of players, is it ALL down to money, are players demands unrealistic. Maybe at the up coming Fans Forum fans like yourself can put these points to the Panel.. I ask again ---when is this Forum??
It has been said for some time two things---a 5 Yr plan and Premiership ready. I may be way off the mark. but I cannot really see a sign of either at present and I sincerely hope I am proved wrong. Fail to Plan--Plan to Fail!! End of Rant!!
Neville---My personal opinion is that as a long standing supporter of the Albion you have more right to your opinions than some---no disrespect to others. Your post is measured and correct. In any organisation where you deal with the public you have to keep certain things under wraps but with this the third season where there is a great deal of uncertainty I think the board owe it to their loyal fans--like yourself---to be a little more open and honest and let everyone know what is going on. i get the feeling we are being fobbed off. It needs a strong statement of intent so that as fans we can feel a little more confident of their ability to get a difficult job done well---answers to questions as to who they would wish to come in, why do players not seem to want to come to Brighton---if that is the case-- is there a shortage of players, is it ALL down to money, are players demands unrealistic. Maybe at the up coming Fans Forum fans like yourself can put these points to the Panel.. I ask again ---when is this Forum?? It has been said for some time two things---a 5 Yr plan and Premiership ready. I may be way off the mark. but I cannot really see a sign of either at present and I sincerely hope I am proved wrong. Fail to Plan--Plan to Fail!! End of Rant!! mikeygit
  • Score: -3

2:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
I think what concerns me is that it seems that TB is looking for compliant people and that large, strong characters are not truly what's wanted.

Both the managers who left were very strong characters in their own different styles. Also find it interesting that OG named TB and PB as two people he was very grateful to, in addition to us fans. He didn't mention NJ by name so I was surprised to hear that Nathan was asked to go to Israel with Oscar. According to Nathan's interview.

Something isn't quite feeling congruent about this whole set up and what we, the fans, are being told. As many on here have commented, the Forum on 5th August will be a great chance to hear from the 'horses mouths' whilst also seeing the look in their eyes.

Still looking forward to the announcement of the strong signings.
I wonder what questions will be asked at the forum if by the time it takes place, 9 days from now, four new signings are on the books.

Regardless of whether we have new players before the forum takes place, I would ask, how many players have we bid for but been knocked back, don't need the names, just the numbers. If the answer is, 'several,' then I hope somebody pushes for a number. Two weeks before the season starts we should not be identifying targets, we should be trying to get them in, the number of knock backs might suggest just when our target list was drawn up.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: I think what concerns me is that it seems that TB is looking for compliant people and that large, strong characters are not truly what's wanted. Both the managers who left were very strong characters in their own different styles. Also find it interesting that OG named TB and PB as two people he was very grateful to, in addition to us fans. He didn't mention NJ by name so I was surprised to hear that Nathan was asked to go to Israel with Oscar. According to Nathan's interview. Something isn't quite feeling congruent about this whole set up and what we, the fans, are being told. As many on here have commented, the Forum on 5th August will be a great chance to hear from the 'horses mouths' whilst also seeing the look in their eyes. Still looking forward to the announcement of the strong signings.[/p][/quote]I wonder what questions will be asked at the forum if by the time it takes place, 9 days from now, four new signings are on the books. Regardless of whether we have new players before the forum takes place, I would ask, how many players have we bid for but been knocked back, don't need the names, just the numbers. If the answer is, 'several,' then I hope somebody pushes for a number. Two weeks before the season starts we should not be identifying targets, we should be trying to get them in, the number of knock backs might suggest just when our target list was drawn up. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Good morning Vegas ,
Sami has been very honourable and polite when speaking outwardly about Messrs Bloom ,Barber ,and Burke ,given his self control after being let down at the last minute by Sammy Lee ,I am not surprised ,it is the quality of the man ,but what he shows on the outside might not be what he is thinking inside !.
Of course none of us know for sure ,which is why we have such a varied selection of ideas , the only common factor is that we all love The Albion . Some think that we are waiting on loans ,some that we are not meeting wage demands or fees ,some think Burke is doing as good a job as can be expected ,given his purview , and some think it will all come together somehow !.
But right or wrong the facts ( there`s that word that causes almost as much stress as "palace" ) are that other clubs are achieving what we havn`t ,they are like Huddersfield (11) new players I think it is ,Sheff Wed (9) at last count ,neither on parachute payments ,and make no mistake we will struggle against both without significant strengthening ,and their among the so called lesser sides in the Championship .
I`ve bored this site with these words before ,but they seem apt ,when you have a leaky pipe -get a plumber ,when your electrics fail -get an electrician ,when you want a football team to challenge for survival or promotion -get a football minded man with knowledge at the highest level (Sami Hyypia ) and when you do ......use him ,not a business man .
Sorry for the rant ,but there`s only so much sand in the hour glass .UTA
Good morning Vegas , Sami has been very honourable and polite when speaking outwardly about Messrs Bloom ,Barber ,and Burke ,given his self control after being let down at the last minute by Sammy Lee ,I am not surprised ,it is the quality of the man ,but what he shows on the outside might not be what he is thinking inside !. Of course none of us know for sure ,which is why we have such a varied selection of ideas , the only common factor is that we all love The Albion . Some think that we are waiting on loans ,some that we are not meeting wage demands or fees ,some think Burke is doing as good a job as can be expected ,given his purview , and some think it will all come together somehow !. But right or wrong the facts ( there`s that word that causes almost as much stress as "palace" ) are that other clubs are achieving what we havn`t ,they are like Huddersfield (11) new players I think it is ,Sheff Wed (9) at last count ,neither on parachute payments ,and make no mistake we will struggle against both without significant strengthening ,and their among the so called lesser sides in the Championship . I`ve bored this site with these words before ,but they seem apt ,when you have a leaky pipe -get a plumber ,when your electrics fail -get an electrician ,when you want a football team to challenge for survival or promotion -get a football minded man with knowledge at the highest level (Sami Hyypia ) and when you do ......use him ,not a business man . Sorry for the rant ,but there`s only so much sand in the hour glass .UTA tug509
  • Score: 5

3:15pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Good morning Vegas ,
Sami has been very honourable and polite when speaking outwardly about Messrs Bloom ,Barber ,and Burke ,given his self control after being let down at the last minute by Sammy Lee ,I am not surprised ,it is the quality of the man ,but what he shows on the outside might not be what he is thinking inside !.
Of course none of us know for sure ,which is why we have such a varied selection of ideas , the only common factor is that we all love The Albion . Some think that we are waiting on loans ,some that we are not meeting wage demands or fees ,some think Burke is doing as good a job as can be expected ,given his purview , and some think it will all come together somehow !.
But right or wrong the facts ( there`s that word that causes almost as much stress as "palace" ) are that other clubs are achieving what we havn`t ,they are like Huddersfield (11) new players I think it is ,Sheff Wed (9) at last count ,neither on parachute payments ,and make no mistake we will struggle against both without significant strengthening ,and their among the so called lesser sides in the Championship .
I`ve bored this site with these words before ,but they seem apt ,when you have a leaky pipe -get a plumber ,when your electrics fail -get an electrician ,when you want a football team to challenge for survival or promotion -get a football minded man with knowledge at the highest level (Sami Hyypia ) and when you do ......use him ,not a business man .
Sorry for the rant ,but there`s only so much sand in the hour glass .UTA
pretty much agree with all you say Tug, other clubs have been busy, a whole lot of players have moved on a free, and many have been bought. The good thing, and I always look for the, 'good thing,' is that some clubs have needed 10 or more players, God knows how many Blackpool need, but a total of seven could see us sorted, 3 in 4 to go.

One thing I would say is, Bloom does not have a football background, a wealth of football business knowledge yes, but zip when it comes to being on the park, but that hasn't been an issue, so far, when it comes to building the club. I think Bloom will defer to Hyypia when it comes to targets, but getting the deal done has very little to do with on the park knowledge, and a whole lot to do with money, and money is what Bloom knows about.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good morning Vegas , Sami has been very honourable and polite when speaking outwardly about Messrs Bloom ,Barber ,and Burke ,given his self control after being let down at the last minute by Sammy Lee ,I am not surprised ,it is the quality of the man ,but what he shows on the outside might not be what he is thinking inside !. Of course none of us know for sure ,which is why we have such a varied selection of ideas , the only common factor is that we all love The Albion . Some think that we are waiting on loans ,some that we are not meeting wage demands or fees ,some think Burke is doing as good a job as can be expected ,given his purview , and some think it will all come together somehow !. But right or wrong the facts ( there`s that word that causes almost as much stress as "palace" ) are that other clubs are achieving what we havn`t ,they are like Huddersfield (11) new players I think it is ,Sheff Wed (9) at last count ,neither on parachute payments ,and make no mistake we will struggle against both without significant strengthening ,and their among the so called lesser sides in the Championship . I`ve bored this site with these words before ,but they seem apt ,when you have a leaky pipe -get a plumber ,when your electrics fail -get an electrician ,when you want a football team to challenge for survival or promotion -get a football minded man with knowledge at the highest level (Sami Hyypia ) and when you do ......use him ,not a business man . Sorry for the rant ,but there`s only so much sand in the hour glass .UTA[/p][/quote]pretty much agree with all you say Tug, other clubs have been busy, a whole lot of players have moved on a free, and many have been bought. The good thing, and I always look for the, 'good thing,' is that some clubs have needed 10 or more players, God knows how many Blackpool need, but a total of seven could see us sorted, 3 in 4 to go. One thing I would say is, Bloom does not have a football background, a wealth of football business knowledge yes, but zip when it comes to being on the park, but that hasn't been an issue, so far, when it comes to building the club. I think Bloom will defer to Hyypia when it comes to targets, but getting the deal done has very little to do with on the park knowledge, and a whole lot to do with money, and money is what Bloom knows about. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

3:45pm Sun 27 Jul 14

sussexram40 says...

Yesterday on TalkSport they had John Crofts(?) football expert from the Daily Mirror talking about the Championship and going through all the teams and how he expected them to do - who would be contenders, who has signed who etc
A lot of clubs were tipped to do well. I'm afraid the Seagulls were mentioned only in passing and the comments were that we were looking a lot weaker this year, Ulloa had gone, we had been ineffective in the transfer market, there was a suggestion that something is wrong with the way the club is run (it was mentioned it was odd Garcia walked out after a fairly successful 1st season in the play offs), it was stated the club interviewed lots for the managers job and Hyypia was far from first choice. In fact this Daily Mirror expert thought the only thing in BHAs favour this year is our fantastic support which could be worth a few points.
So it's official, the Club is in a mess and WE are its best asset.
Yesterday on TalkSport they had John Crofts(?) football expert from the Daily Mirror talking about the Championship and going through all the teams and how he expected them to do - who would be contenders, who has signed who etc A lot of clubs were tipped to do well. I'm afraid the Seagulls were mentioned only in passing and the comments were that we were looking a lot weaker this year, Ulloa had gone, we had been ineffective in the transfer market, there was a suggestion that something is wrong with the way the club is run (it was mentioned it was odd Garcia walked out after a fairly successful 1st season in the play offs), it was stated the club interviewed lots for the managers job and Hyypia was far from first choice. In fact this Daily Mirror expert thought the only thing in BHAs favour this year is our fantastic support which could be worth a few points. So it's official, the Club is in a mess and WE are its best asset. sussexram40
  • Score: 1

4:07pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Good morning Vegas ,
Sami has been very honourable and polite when speaking outwardly about Messrs Bloom ,Barber ,and Burke ,given his self control after being let down at the last minute by Sammy Lee ,I am not surprised ,it is the quality of the man ,but what he shows on the outside might not be what he is thinking inside !.
Of course none of us know for sure ,which is why we have such a varied selection of ideas , the only common factor is that we all love The Albion . Some think that we are waiting on loans ,some that we are not meeting wage demands or fees ,some think Burke is doing as good a job as can be expected ,given his purview , and some think it will all come together somehow !.
But right or wrong the facts ( there`s that word that causes almost as much stress as "palace" ) are that other clubs are achieving what we havn`t ,they are like Huddersfield (11) new players I think it is ,Sheff Wed (9) at last count ,neither on parachute payments ,and make no mistake we will struggle against both without significant strengthening ,and their among the so called lesser sides in the Championship .
I`ve bored this site with these words before ,but they seem apt ,when you have a leaky pipe -get a plumber ,when your electrics fail -get an electrician ,when you want a football team to challenge for survival or promotion -get a football minded man with knowledge at the highest level (Sami Hyypia ) and when you do ......use him ,not a business man .
Sorry for the rant ,but there`s only so much sand in the hour glass .UTA
pretty much agree with all you say Tug, other clubs have been busy, a whole lot of players have moved on a free, and many have been bought. The good thing, and I always look for the, 'good thing,' is that some clubs have needed 10 or more players, God knows how many Blackpool need, but a total of seven could see us sorted, 3 in 4 to go.

One thing I would say is, Bloom does not have a football background, a wealth of football business knowledge yes, but zip when it comes to being on the park, but that hasn't been an issue, so far, when it comes to building the club. I think Bloom will defer to Hyypia when it comes to targets, but getting the deal done has very little to do with on the park knowledge, and a whole lot to do with money, and money is what Bloom knows about.
Hi Vegas,
please let me make myself clear I have nothing but respect for Mr Bloom,both as our club owner and a supporter . You are spot on ,your second paragraph says a lot ,TB knows about money and business ,and I`m certain his personal knowledge of The Albion is far better than most on this site ,and there are some knowledgeable guy`s on here ,but I`m guessing that he has always taken complete control of all his business dealings in the past , and has placed two businessmen in high profile positions in our club ,dealing with the one thing you admit TB does not have a background in Football ! . I am very surprised TB hasn`t given control of signings to someone who has got a football background ,in this instance Sami ,if he were to have a budget and total choice of new signings and loans ,we could already have a couple more lads in by now ,no way of knowing ,but again ..when you want a job done , get the right peg for the right hole as AIS would say !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: Good morning Vegas , Sami has been very honourable and polite when speaking outwardly about Messrs Bloom ,Barber ,and Burke ,given his self control after being let down at the last minute by Sammy Lee ,I am not surprised ,it is the quality of the man ,but what he shows on the outside might not be what he is thinking inside !. Of course none of us know for sure ,which is why we have such a varied selection of ideas , the only common factor is that we all love The Albion . Some think that we are waiting on loans ,some that we are not meeting wage demands or fees ,some think Burke is doing as good a job as can be expected ,given his purview , and some think it will all come together somehow !. But right or wrong the facts ( there`s that word that causes almost as much stress as "palace" ) are that other clubs are achieving what we havn`t ,they are like Huddersfield (11) new players I think it is ,Sheff Wed (9) at last count ,neither on parachute payments ,and make no mistake we will struggle against both without significant strengthening ,and their among the so called lesser sides in the Championship . I`ve bored this site with these words before ,but they seem apt ,when you have a leaky pipe -get a plumber ,when your electrics fail -get an electrician ,when you want a football team to challenge for survival or promotion -get a football minded man with knowledge at the highest level (Sami Hyypia ) and when you do ......use him ,not a business man . Sorry for the rant ,but there`s only so much sand in the hour glass .UTA[/p][/quote]pretty much agree with all you say Tug, other clubs have been busy, a whole lot of players have moved on a free, and many have been bought. The good thing, and I always look for the, 'good thing,' is that some clubs have needed 10 or more players, God knows how many Blackpool need, but a total of seven could see us sorted, 3 in 4 to go. One thing I would say is, Bloom does not have a football background, a wealth of football business knowledge yes, but zip when it comes to being on the park, but that hasn't been an issue, so far, when it comes to building the club. I think Bloom will defer to Hyypia when it comes to targets, but getting the deal done has very little to do with on the park knowledge, and a whole lot to do with money, and money is what Bloom knows about.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas, please let me make myself clear I have nothing but respect for Mr Bloom,both as our club owner and a supporter . You are spot on ,your second paragraph says a lot ,TB knows about money and business ,and I`m certain his personal knowledge of The Albion is far better than most on this site ,and there are some knowledgeable guy`s on here ,but I`m guessing that he has always taken complete control of all his business dealings in the past , and has placed two businessmen in high profile positions in our club ,dealing with the one thing you admit TB does not have a background in Football ! . I am very surprised TB hasn`t given control of signings to someone who has got a football background ,in this instance Sami ,if he were to have a budget and total choice of new signings and loans ,we could already have a couple more lads in by now ,no way of knowing ,but again ..when you want a job done , get the right peg for the right hole as AIS would say !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

This is why I am President of the Tug Appreciation Society...
This is why I am President of the Tug Appreciation Society... Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mikeygit says...

We are all debating why Albion are not bringing in fresh blood to the club and we all have our own opinions on this. There is an interesting piece on BBC Sport-Football about Luke Shaws transfer to Man UTd and his --alledged--100 thousand a week wage and what Mourinio has to say--It would have broken the club--he says (Chelsea). Maybe a great problem we have is our strict wage structure and TB will not budge on it and maybe some players are going elsewhere where they CAN get what they want. I do not say we should be held to ransom by these guys, but it just maybe part of the problem??
We are all debating why Albion are not bringing in fresh blood to the club and we all have our own opinions on this. There is an interesting piece on BBC Sport-Football about Luke Shaws transfer to Man UTd and his --alledged--100 thousand a week wage and what Mourinio has to say--It would have broken the club--he says (Chelsea). Maybe a great problem we have is our strict wage structure and TB will not budge on it and maybe some players are going elsewhere where they CAN get what they want. I do not say we should be held to ransom by these guys, but it just maybe part of the problem?? mikeygit
  • Score: 3

4:39pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

5:03pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA tug509
  • Score: -1

5:04pm Sun 27 Jul 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The Stockdale interest was probably nothing more than newspaper speculation, Vegas. As far as I am aware, nobody at the Club has ever mentioned Stockdale, and a source 'close to Fulham' said it would be a surprise if he were to leave.
If we are in for him, we are not going to hear anything until the deal is done. At least not from our end.
If we are not in for him, there is no logical reason why the Club should come out and say so.
There are a lot of players who we are not in for.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The Stockdale interest was probably nothing more than newspaper speculation, Vegas. As far as I am aware, nobody at the Club has ever mentioned Stockdale, and a source 'close to Fulham' said it would be a surprise if he were to leave. If we are in for him, we are not going to hear anything until the deal is done. At least not from our end. If we are not in for him, there is no logical reason why the Club should come out and say so. There are a lot of players who we are not in for. gordongull
  • Score: 4

5:17pm Sun 27 Jul 14

AlanDuffy says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Yesterday on TalkSport they had John Crofts(?) football expert from the Daily Mirror talking about the Championship and going through all the teams and how he expected them to do - who would be contenders, who has signed who etc
A lot of clubs were tipped to do well. I'm afraid the Seagulls were mentioned only in passing and the comments were that we were looking a lot weaker this year, Ulloa had gone, we had been ineffective in the transfer market, there was a suggestion that something is wrong with the way the club is run (it was mentioned it was odd Garcia walked out after a fairly successful 1st season in the play offs), it was stated the club interviewed lots for the managers job and Hyypia was far from first choice. In fact this Daily Mirror expert thought the only thing in BHAs favour this year is our fantastic support which could be worth a few points.
So it's official, the Club is in a mess and WE are its best asset.
......and that support could turn very quickly if we don't make the signings and we're not winning games.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Yesterday on TalkSport they had John Crofts(?) football expert from the Daily Mirror talking about the Championship and going through all the teams and how he expected them to do - who would be contenders, who has signed who etc A lot of clubs were tipped to do well. I'm afraid the Seagulls were mentioned only in passing and the comments were that we were looking a lot weaker this year, Ulloa had gone, we had been ineffective in the transfer market, there was a suggestion that something is wrong with the way the club is run (it was mentioned it was odd Garcia walked out after a fairly successful 1st season in the play offs), it was stated the club interviewed lots for the managers job and Hyypia was far from first choice. In fact this Daily Mirror expert thought the only thing in BHAs favour this year is our fantastic support which could be worth a few points. So it's official, the Club is in a mess and WE are its best asset.[/p][/quote]......and that support could turn very quickly if we don't make the signings and we're not winning games. AlanDuffy
  • Score: -1

5:17pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Gee Jay says...

Over 130 posts on here.........the natives are getting restless (for natives read supporters)
However, it could be worse, just spare a thought for Leeds and Blackpool supporters
Over 130 posts on here.........the natives are getting restless (for natives read supporters) However, it could be worse, just spare a thought for Leeds and Blackpool supporters Gee Jay
  • Score: 6

5:40pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

5:43pm Sun 27 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Gee Jay wrote:
Over 130 posts on here.........the natives are getting restless (for natives read supporters)
However, it could be worse, just spare a thought for Leeds and Blackpool supporters
Do you mean the natives(cukooland) posters.
Now they are starting picking on B.B,yet before it was THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME,HAVE FAITH UP THE ALBION.

Why now the panic there are other teams as you say in a worse position(state).

TB's wallet does have a limit.

Think SH knows the budget,like OG,his list might be players too expensive,do not want to come down south etc.
[quote][p][bold]Gee Jay[/bold] wrote: Over 130 posts on here.........the natives are getting restless (for natives read supporters) However, it could be worse, just spare a thought for Leeds and Blackpool supporters[/p][/quote]Do you mean the natives(cukooland) posters. Now they are starting picking on B.B,yet before it was THERE IS PLENTY OF TIME,HAVE FAITH UP THE ALBION. Why now the panic there are other teams as you say in a worse position(state). TB's wallet does have a limit. Think SH knows the budget,like OG,his list might be players too expensive,do not want to come down south etc. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

6:18pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week,
Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow!
Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win.
This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2,
And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing..
This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind.
As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure.
Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand.
What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on.
FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.[/p][/quote]Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week, Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow! Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win. This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2, And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing.. This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind. As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure. Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand. What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on. FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

6:22pm Sun 27 Jul 14

falmer seagull says...

The sale of Ulloa and the reported £8m transfer should be seen as a golden opportunity to kick on for promotion this year. If we bank the £2m we paid for him, I would suggest that the other £6m should be reinvested in 'quality' additions to the squad. Ward should definitely return and a good spend on a creative midfield player should be seen as priorities. George Boyd or Adam Clayton would be the sort of player we are signing. Surely there must be a 'Brian Horton type player' somewhere in Division 1 or 2? Horton came from Port Vale, Ward, Burton Albion, Murray and Buckley, Rochdale and Dean Saunders was a free transfer from Swansea! If David Burke's knowledge of players is that good, surely he should be able to find them! I will look forward to hearing news at the Fan's Forum, on Tuesday, as to the lack of transfer activity. I am not a fan of loan players unless there is an injury crisis!
The sale of Ulloa and the reported £8m transfer should be seen as a golden opportunity to kick on for promotion this year. If we bank the £2m we paid for him, I would suggest that the other £6m should be reinvested in 'quality' additions to the squad. Ward should definitely return and a good spend on a creative midfield player should be seen as priorities. George Boyd or Adam Clayton would be the sort of player we are signing. Surely there must be a 'Brian Horton type player' somewhere in Division 1 or 2? Horton came from Port Vale, Ward, Burton Albion, Murray and Buckley, Rochdale and Dean Saunders was a free transfer from Swansea! If David Burke's knowledge of players is that good, surely he should be able to find them! I will look forward to hearing news at the Fan's Forum, on Tuesday, as to the lack of transfer activity. I am not a fan of loan players unless there is an injury crisis! falmer seagull
  • Score: 3

6:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

I think that Bloom is too scared to reach out and grasp the nettle of promotion for whatever reason but he surely knows that we need to spend to hit the big time. It's a bit like that story in I think it's in the bible where someone eats an apple even though they're not supposed to but they know the apple will be good so they just go for it and then the owner of the apple tells them off but the person who ate it sticks two fingers up at them and tells them where to go. Just like us with FFP but we just have to learn to do what we want ie sign the players we need. Tony Fernandes at QPR is someone Bloom could learn an awful lot off.
I think that Bloom is too scared to reach out and grasp the nettle of promotion for whatever reason but he surely knows that we need to spend to hit the big time. It's a bit like that story in I think it's in the bible where someone eats an apple even though they're not supposed to but they know the apple will be good so they just go for it and then the owner of the apple tells them off but the person who ate it sticks two fingers up at them and tells them where to go. Just like us with FFP but we just have to learn to do what we want ie sign the players we need. Tony Fernandes at QPR is someone Bloom could learn an awful lot off. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 2

6:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Barry W says...

Read in the Sunday Peaple about a bust up between a boss and the d o f
Over a bid to line up his replacement ,fair to say it has not helped transfer activity at the club. Any ideas!!!
Read in the Sunday Peaple about a bust up between a boss and the d o f Over a bid to line up his replacement ,fair to say it has not helped transfer activity at the club. Any ideas!!! Barry W
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Your looking good dutch says...

I have never read so many negative comments before. I'm glad half of you do not run this club because at the first run of poor results you'd sack everyone. There are so many variables in bringing a player to a club.
Cost to buy
Wages
Family
Contract length
Competition with other clubs.
The players ability to blend with the clubs style of play
The ability to blend with other players in the squad.
Would you want a Ravel Morrison at the club I for one would not.
I'm proud to be a Brighton fan and always will be. Trust the club and you shall soon see the benefits.
Long live Brighton Fc.
I have never read so many negative comments before. I'm glad half of you do not run this club because at the first run of poor results you'd sack everyone. There are so many variables in bringing a player to a club. Cost to buy Wages Family Contract length Competition with other clubs. The players ability to blend with the clubs style of play The ability to blend with other players in the squad. Would you want a Ravel Morrison at the club I for one would not. I'm proud to be a Brighton fan and always will be. Trust the club and you shall soon see the benefits. Long live Brighton Fc. Your looking good dutch
  • Score: 3

6:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

Your looking good dutch wrote:
I have never read so many negative comments before. I'm glad half of you do not run this club because at the first run of poor results you'd sack everyone. There are so many variables in bringing a player to a club.
Cost to buy
Wages
Family
Contract length
Competition with other clubs.
The players ability to blend with the clubs style of play
The ability to blend with other players in the squad.
Would you want a Ravel Morrison at the club I for one would not.
I'm proud to be a Brighton fan and always will be. Trust the club and you shall soon see the benefits.
Long live Brighton Fc.
Other clubs with worse financial positions are signing players, sami has been here long enough, same story whoever manages .
[quote][p][bold]Your looking good dutch[/bold] wrote: I have never read so many negative comments before. I'm glad half of you do not run this club because at the first run of poor results you'd sack everyone. There are so many variables in bringing a player to a club. Cost to buy Wages Family Contract length Competition with other clubs. The players ability to blend with the clubs style of play The ability to blend with other players in the squad. Would you want a Ravel Morrison at the club I for one would not. I'm proud to be a Brighton fan and always will be. Trust the club and you shall soon see the benefits. Long live Brighton Fc.[/p][/quote]Other clubs with worse financial positions are signing players, sami has been here long enough, same story whoever manages . mark by the sea
  • Score: -3

7:04pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week,
Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow!
Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win.
This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2,
And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing..
This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind.
As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure.
Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand.
What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on.
FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.
The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done.

I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess.

Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses.

Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know.

We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.[/p][/quote]Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week, Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow! Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win. This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2, And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing.. This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind. As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure. Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand. What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on. FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.[/p][/quote]The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done. I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess. Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses. Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know. We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

7:10pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Your looking good dutch says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Your looking good dutch wrote:
I have never read so many negative comments before. I'm glad half of you do not run this club because at the first run of poor results you'd sack everyone. There are so many variables in bringing a player to a club.
Cost to buy
Wages
Family
Contract length
Competition with other clubs.
The players ability to blend with the clubs style of play
The ability to blend with other players in the squad.
Would you want a Ravel Morrison at the club I for one would not.
I'm proud to be a Brighton fan and always will be. Trust the club and you shall soon see the benefits.
Long live Brighton Fc.
Other clubs with worse financial positions are signing players, sami has been here long enough, same story whoever manages .
Yes but would you say they are the kind of players that would move the club forward.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Your looking good dutch[/bold] wrote: I have never read so many negative comments before. I'm glad half of you do not run this club because at the first run of poor results you'd sack everyone. There are so many variables in bringing a player to a club. Cost to buy Wages Family Contract length Competition with other clubs. The players ability to blend with the clubs style of play The ability to blend with other players in the squad. Would you want a Ravel Morrison at the club I for one would not. I'm proud to be a Brighton fan and always will be. Trust the club and you shall soon see the benefits. Long live Brighton Fc.[/p][/quote]Other clubs with worse financial positions are signing players, sami has been here long enough, same story whoever manages .[/p][/quote]Yes but would you say they are the kind of players that would move the club forward. Your looking good dutch
  • Score: 4

7:14pm Sun 27 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week,
Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow!
Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win.
This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2,
And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing..
This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind.
As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure.
Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand.
What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on.
FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.
The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done.

I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess.

Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses.

Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know.

We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.
The last part Vegas,where did you hear,read this ?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.[/p][/quote]Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week, Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow! Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win. This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2, And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing.. This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind. As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure. Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand. What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on. FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.[/p][/quote]The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done. I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess. Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses. Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know. We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.[/p][/quote]The last part Vegas,where did you hear,read this ? don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

7:38pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week,
Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow!
Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win.
This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2,
And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing..
This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind.
As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure.
Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand.
What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on.
FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.
The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done.

I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess.

Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses.

Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know.

We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.
The last part Vegas,where did you hear,read this ?
people have suggested it on this forum,
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.[/p][/quote]Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week, Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow! Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win. This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2, And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing.. This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind. As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure. Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand. What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on. FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.[/p][/quote]The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done. I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess. Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses. Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know. We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.[/p][/quote]The last part Vegas,where did you hear,read this ?[/p][/quote]people have suggested it on this forum, VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

7:46pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Now how about this guys and girls, is it possible that the board are aware of the serious position that Blackpool are in,only eight players signed and manager expected to go at anytime,so we sit tight and hover up those left,it would be expected that they would be so desperate to find a new club they would be prepared to pay their travelling expenses and also bring with them a stick of rock,think about it.
Now how about this guys and girls, is it possible that the board are aware of the serious position that Blackpool are in,only eight players signed and manager expected to go at anytime,so we sit tight and hover up those left,it would be expected that they would be so desperate to find a new club they would be prepared to pay their travelling expenses and also bring with them a stick of rock,think about it. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -1

7:51pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA tug509
  • Score: 7

7:54pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week,
Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow!
Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win.
This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2,
And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing..
This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind.
As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure.
Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand.
What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on.
FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.
The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done.

I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess.

Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses.

Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know.

We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.
FFP won't be met if we have crowds of 15000, and that's where we are heading next season if we don't meet fans expectations, the club coming out and saying they have broken even won't mean anything if we are mid table scoring 1 goal a game.
By all accounts we have lost 10% of season ticket sales this year! that's after a decent season under OG .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.[/p][/quote]Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week, Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow! Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win. This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2, And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing.. This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind. As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure. Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand. What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on. FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.[/p][/quote]The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done. I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess. Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses. Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know. We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.[/p][/quote]FFP won't be met if we have crowds of 15000, and that's where we are heading next season if we don't meet fans expectations, the club coming out and saying they have broken even won't mean anything if we are mid table scoring 1 goal a game. By all accounts we have lost 10% of season ticket sales this year! that's after a decent season under OG . mark by the sea
  • Score: 6

8:03pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Fantastic post, the horse will be gone by the time the club realise the fans have disappeared .. We only had 7000 who parted with cash with a stadium which held 9000..
I don't think anyone will be paying for the experience of the Amex if it's half empty, and that's where we are heading next season, we lost 10% of season ticket sales this year after a decent season under OG ..
The club need to get real, of the ten players to have left over the last 7 months , we have saved tens of thousands on wages..
Two years ago we had Vicente , bridcutt , bridge ulloa .. Who is going to excite me for my £500 season ticket now?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Fantastic post, the horse will be gone by the time the club realise the fans have disappeared .. We only had 7000 who parted with cash with a stadium which held 9000.. I don't think anyone will be paying for the experience of the Amex if it's half empty, and that's where we are heading next season, we lost 10% of season ticket sales this year after a decent season under OG .. The club need to get real, of the ten players to have left over the last 7 months , we have saved tens of thousands on wages.. Two years ago we had Vicente , bridcutt , bridge ulloa .. Who is going to excite me for my £500 season ticket now? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Sun 27 Jul 14

To baldly go says...

tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Outstanding post, I hope your going to the fans forum meeting!
That is the very question every fan will want to hear the answer too, where has all the money gone!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Outstanding post, I hope your going to the fans forum meeting! That is the very question every fan will want to hear the answer too, where has all the money gone! To baldly go
  • Score: 9

8:16pm Sun 27 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING.

Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes.

With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition.

I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.
The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?.
We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA
Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged.
If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.
Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week,
Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow!
Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win.
This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2,
And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing..
This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind.
As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure.
Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand.
What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on.
FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.
The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done.

I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess.

Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses.

Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know.

We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.
The last part Vegas,where did you hear,read this ?
people have suggested it on this forum,
The time that i believe (most) posts Albion will have won the premiership title.

Lets stick to what the Albion officially release.

Think the rest is IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: We had the report, what seems like ages ago now, that we had bid 1 million for Stockdale, a bid that was not confirmed by anyone with hands on knowledge, and since that report, NOTHING. Now if the report was correct, I am left wondering why the deal hasn't been concluded one way or the other. If the report was false, then why haven't we had a denial statement from the club. I think in just this one case, the club have got it wrong as far as good PR goes. With the fans desperate for some transfer action, and then add the frustration that Hyypia talks of, wouldn't it make sense to either dismiss the Stockdale report, or confirm it. Leaving this report hanging in the air only leads to further negative speculation, we don't have the money, we won't pay the money or he wants too much in wages, Brighton don't have any ambition. I would rather hear that we are not chasing a player, than continuously having press speculation winding everyone up.[/p][/quote]The papers and general media are always bandying suspected wage figures about ,there is never anyway to know for sure ,and unless a player comes out and tells you face to face to you never will . Which is what makes me so angry with our strict wage policy ,if your wage ceiling is £10k as is suspected ,does it really matter if you acquire 2 players on £12k and £8k respectively ,your still within the budget ,but your being flexible . If your budget allows on paper for 7 new signings ,does it really matter if we only get 6 ,but of a higher calibre ,even if we have to pay slightly more to each ,so long as that precious bottom line is the same how do we lose ?. We know for definite ( if only our forwards could swerve that well :0) that Ward wants to come back ,we know Stockdale can leave for a fee ,which supposedly we have met ,so maybe we are being too tight on wages ,I am a little angry at Ward for not being more flexible with us ,but are we doing the same to other targets ?. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug I could be wrong on this but, wasn't there a time when our wage budget and our transfer budget were two different entities? I seem to recall that this is how it was for at least a part of Poyet's tenure, and something in the back of my memory tells we that the two budgets were merged. If there i just one budget, and it would make sense if there was, then yeah, save a little here spend a little more there but keep the books balanced.[/p][/quote]Problem with going over your 10k pw for one player is come December players who are performing want 12k a week, Been away for a week, I have to wonder what is going on? We took forever to give hyypia the job, only for players coming in to be terribly slow! Where I see this weeks news as the academy is going class 1 which means we can compete with the best kids in Europe and when we play Chelsea the world.I believe this move while in the short term will mean we will be regularly getting stuffed by the likes of arsenal, it's a step up from beating the worst youth sides in the south, it gives parents and players a idea that somehow there kid is about to step up into the big time, yet in reality they are getting further away every time we win. This season is a massive one , sami sounds down already, no number 2, And having to play youth players, no doubt the club will be talking this up in a way that sounds we are progressing.. This season we have given Dunk a 4 year deal, if he is that good, he should be starting every week, the lad is nearly 23, so no excuses in my mind. As for transfers, I can see ward returning on loan again, with a deal to suit both parties, how that will pan out I am not sure. Liverpool have a abundance of quality 18-20 year olds, why we have not brought some loans in to bed in early I don't really understand. What I will say is unless the club open up and discuss our vision and long term aims, I feel a backlash if results fail early on. FFP won't be reached if attendances drop 6-7000 next year, we need to ensure fans or customers know what's really happening, I don't mean players targeted , but our true aims for success.[/p][/quote]The thing is Mark we are all in the dark as to how our transfer dealings are progressing, and what type of transfers we are after, purchases or loans. The only thing we know for sure is that we need to get something done. I have speculated that we must be focusing our efforts on loan deals, and I say that for no other reason than the fact that we haven't bought those we need, but that's only a guess. Others are speculating that Burke and Bloom are not willing to spend enough on fees and wages, again just guesses. Reaching our FFP requirements over the next few years, well that might have already been taken care of, new shirt deal and the naming rights to our new facility, and Leicester might be paying for Ulloa in annual instalments, we just don't know. We even have some suggesting that Sami was told one thing during his pre-signing talks, and now he is facing a totally different set of circumstances, that sounds crazy to me.[/p][/quote]The last part Vegas,where did you hear,read this ?[/p][/quote]people have suggested it on this forum,[/p][/quote]The time that i believe (most) posts Albion will have won the premiership title. Lets stick to what the Albion officially release. Think the rest is IMHO. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

8:19pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income.
That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.
Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income. That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

8:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing!
Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing! Conelli98
  • Score: -4

8:24pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income.
That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.
What about the wages saved on quality players? Perhaps we are waiting for players to drop the wage demands in the championship, mr Ward won't drop his wages by 25% and move here ..
It seems to me Burke is showing how marvellous he is, by trying to buck the market,
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income. That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.[/p][/quote]What about the wages saved on quality players? Perhaps we are waiting for players to drop the wage demands in the championship, mr Ward won't drop his wages by 25% and move here .. It seems to me Burke is showing how marvellous he is, by trying to buck the market, mark by the sea
  • Score: 0

8:30pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income.
That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.
Hi Vegas that 4m could have paid off payments outstanding which may have been due this summer etc, I suppose it's like paying your mortgage off, while you have spent all the money, your future payments of outstanding debts are gone.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income. That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas that 4m could have paid off payments outstanding which may have been due this summer etc, I suppose it's like paying your mortgage off, while you have spent all the money, your future payments of outstanding debts are gone. mark by the sea
  • Score: 1

8:31pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income.
That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.
Thanks Vegas ,
what I know about FFP can be written on a stamp in felt tip ,but what you are saying is that ,we should of used that money to strengthen the team before the end of last season ,so more proof of B&B squirrelling it away ,ah well so long as they were getting a deserved bonus it will have been worth it . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Tug, any money that we didn't spend last year can't be spent this year as it is gone, gone for accounting purposes, it would have been swallowed up by loss reduction as it was income from last year. If we were to spend that money this year, it would increase our losses, for this year, as it was not earned this year. The Ulloa money is different as it is this year's income, that is of course, just as long as Leicester are not paying by annual instalments. Each payment would be income for the year in which it is made. A company may be able to defer, 'some,' expenses over a period of time, but you can never defer income. That 4M from last year might be sitting in the coffers, but if we spend it this year, it becomes expendidture that was not earned this year. The result of all this would be that our losses for last year dropped big time, but our losses for this year, would rise.[/p][/quote]Thanks Vegas , what I know about FFP can be written on a stamp in felt tip ,but what you are saying is that ,we should of used that money to strengthen the team before the end of last season ,so more proof of B&B squirrelling it away ,ah well so long as they were getting a deserved bonus it will have been worth it . UTA tug509
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing!
Would be foolish to ask where you've got the information, but I do feel obliged to at least ask, given that your last 'exclusive' was that Ulloa wasn't going to sign for Leicester....
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing![/p][/quote]Would be foolish to ask where you've got the information, but I do feel obliged to at least ask, given that your last 'exclusive' was that Ulloa wasn't going to sign for Leicester.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

8:55pm Sun 27 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Great post Tug. I agree with every word.

To answer your question mate.... Wages is my guess. Rightly or wrongly we aren't willing to pay upper end salaries for our players.
I'd add that I think this happened at the back end of Gus tenure. I can't imagine that players like Vicente were on under 10k a week.

Sometimes speculating to accumulate pay dividends. I wouldn't mind betting that if people knew that Vicente was playing, we got higher attendances.

Looking forward to some good news soon. Like MBTS, I think that numbers will drop off at an alarming rate should we not show some on pitch ambition soon.
Again I agree with MBTS when he tals about the 9000 capacity Withdean not being anything like full some weeks. I think that anyone that attended those games knew that it was a pretty tough place to call home sometimes.

Here's to this being the week I've waited for.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Great post Tug. I agree with every word. To answer your question mate.... Wages is my guess. Rightly or wrongly we aren't willing to pay upper end salaries for our players. I'd add that I think this happened at the back end of Gus tenure. I can't imagine that players like Vicente were on under 10k a week. Sometimes speculating to accumulate pay dividends. I wouldn't mind betting that if people knew that Vicente was playing, we got higher attendances. Looking forward to some good news soon. Like MBTS, I think that numbers will drop off at an alarming rate should we not show some on pitch ambition soon. Again I agree with MBTS when he tals about the 9000 capacity Withdean not being anything like full some weeks. I think that anyone that attended those games knew that it was a pretty tough place to call home sometimes. Here's to this being the week I've waited for. SMF20
  • Score: 3

8:57pm Sun 27 Jul 14

SMF20 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing!
Would be foolish to ask where you've got the information, but I do feel obliged to at least ask, given that your last 'exclusive' was that Ulloa wasn't going to sign for Leicester....
It's on a fans twitter account and all over NSC my friend. Probably twaddle
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing![/p][/quote]Would be foolish to ask where you've got the information, but I do feel obliged to at least ask, given that your last 'exclusive' was that Ulloa wasn't going to sign for Leicester....[/p][/quote]It's on a fans twitter account and all over NSC my friend. Probably twaddle SMF20
  • Score: 2

9:07pm Sun 27 Jul 14

driverchris53 says...

Unfortunately there is no way of knowing what is going on with transfer dealings;if we have been turned down by players;if it is about wages or fees or agents being greedy.The facts seem to be we have a reasonable amount to spend on players;although the amount for tranfsfer fees seems to be limited;we seem to need to buy out of contract ones or ones that have no fee. Also what is the position regarding loans;i think we had too many loan players last year;short term loans to cover injury or long term deals for good players from top Premier League clubs are ok but we don't want 4 or 5 middling ones.I think it is right we stay rigidly in the limits we have set to meet FPP requirements.Obvious
ly there is always room to manouvre and still stay within the budget.I personally dislike fees to agents;so i believe we are right if we are refusing to meet over the top demands.We desperately need at least 4 or 5 new players but we cannot just buy whoever is available.I would imagine if we do not sign at least some better players our chance of being near the playoffs is negligible.If we are not pushing for a playoff spot the crowds will obviously fall.This inpacts on the budget so spending less leads to less income.It is alla viciuos cycle.Anyway still got my fingers crossed we can get 2 or 3 in this week.
Unfortunately there is no way of knowing what is going on with transfer dealings;if we have been turned down by players;if it is about wages or fees or agents being greedy.The facts seem to be we have a reasonable amount to spend on players;although the amount for tranfsfer fees seems to be limited;we seem to need to buy out of contract ones or ones that have no fee. Also what is the position regarding loans;i think we had too many loan players last year;short term loans to cover injury or long term deals for good players from top Premier League clubs are ok but we don't want 4 or 5 middling ones.I think it is right we stay rigidly in the limits we have set to meet FPP requirements.Obvious ly there is always room to manouvre and still stay within the budget.I personally dislike fees to agents;so i believe we are right if we are refusing to meet over the top demands.We desperately need at least 4 or 5 new players but we cannot just buy whoever is available.I would imagine if we do not sign at least some better players our chance of being near the playoffs is negligible.If we are not pushing for a playoff spot the crowds will obviously fall.This inpacts on the budget so spending less leads to less income.It is alla viciuos cycle.Anyway still got my fingers crossed we can get 2 or 3 in this week. driverchris53
  • Score: 2

9:15pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Good stuff Tug.

The only bit i would take issue with is we have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

If that was the case surely we wouldn't have lost upright citizens like Ex-pat and Vegas to pastures new.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Good stuff Tug. The only bit i would take issue with is we have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. If that was the case surely we wouldn't have lost upright citizens like Ex-pat and Vegas to pastures new. ringtone
  • Score: -6

9:30pm Sun 27 Jul 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

ringtone wrote:
tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Good stuff Tug.

The only bit i would take issue with is we have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

If that was the case surely we wouldn't have lost upright citizens like Ex-pat and Vegas to pastures new.
Do you actually live in brighton,beautiful ???.

I live in porstlade.Come on have a go
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Good stuff Tug. The only bit i would take issue with is we have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. If that was the case surely we wouldn't have lost upright citizens like Ex-pat and Vegas to pastures new.[/p][/quote]Do you actually live in brighton,beautiful ???. I live in porstlade.Come on have a go don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 3

9:39pm Sun 27 Jul 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Fantastic post, the horse will be gone by the time the club realise the fans have disappeared .. We only had 7000 who parted with cash with a stadium which held 9000..
I don't think anyone will be paying for the experience of the Amex if it's half empty, and that's where we are heading next season, we lost 10% of season ticket sales this year after a decent season under OG ..
The club need to get real, of the ten players to have left over the last 7 months , we have saved tens of thousands on wages..
Two years ago we had Vicente , bridcutt , bridge ulloa .. Who is going to excite me for my £500 season ticket now?
If season ticket sales are down by 10% then TB will be extremely nervous by that so much so that he will know the club has to sign some players. So I think signings will be made

Without any signings can anyone see TB turning up at the Fan's Forum or will he have "urgent business elsewhere"? He would have to have a lot of what footballers kick to attend. For that reason alone no further signings would be unthinkable if he's going to attend.

As undesirable as it is, the club can leave it till the end of August to sign players. Not desirable from the playing point of view but enough to salvage season ticket sales and interest for the rest of the season

Like you I'm gobsmacked that smaller clubs are more active than us in the transfer market, but who knows we might be on the brink of some major signings. It took ages for Leicester to land Ulloa and we may be taking just as long to land our targets
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Fantastic post, the horse will be gone by the time the club realise the fans have disappeared .. We only had 7000 who parted with cash with a stadium which held 9000.. I don't think anyone will be paying for the experience of the Amex if it's half empty, and that's where we are heading next season, we lost 10% of season ticket sales this year after a decent season under OG .. The club need to get real, of the ten players to have left over the last 7 months , we have saved tens of thousands on wages.. Two years ago we had Vicente , bridcutt , bridge ulloa .. Who is going to excite me for my £500 season ticket now?[/p][/quote]If season ticket sales are down by 10% then TB will be extremely nervous by that so much so that he will know the club has to sign some players. So I think signings will be made Without any signings can anyone see TB turning up at the Fan's Forum or will he have "urgent business elsewhere"? He would have to have a lot of what footballers kick to attend. For that reason alone no further signings would be unthinkable if he's going to attend. As undesirable as it is, the club can leave it till the end of August to sign players. Not desirable from the playing point of view but enough to salvage season ticket sales and interest for the rest of the season Like you I'm gobsmacked that smaller clubs are more active than us in the transfer market, but who knows we might be on the brink of some major signings. It took ages for Leicester to land Ulloa and we may be taking just as long to land our targets pte
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

tug509 says...

pte wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Fantastic post, the horse will be gone by the time the club realise the fans have disappeared .. We only had 7000 who parted with cash with a stadium which held 9000..
I don't think anyone will be paying for the experience of the Amex if it's half empty, and that's where we are heading next season, we lost 10% of season ticket sales this year after a decent season under OG ..
The club need to get real, of the ten players to have left over the last 7 months , we have saved tens of thousands on wages..
Two years ago we had Vicente , bridcutt , bridge ulloa .. Who is going to excite me for my £500 season ticket now?
If season ticket sales are down by 10% then TB will be extremely nervous by that so much so that he will know the club has to sign some players. So I think signings will be made

Without any signings can anyone see TB turning up at the Fan's Forum or will he have "urgent business elsewhere"? He would have to have a lot of what footballers kick to attend. For that reason alone no further signings would be unthinkable if he's going to attend.

As undesirable as it is, the club can leave it till the end of August to sign players. Not desirable from the playing point of view but enough to salvage season ticket sales and interest for the rest of the season

Like you I'm gobsmacked that smaller clubs are more active than us in the transfer market, but who knows we might be on the brink of some major signings. It took ages for Leicester to land Ulloa and we may be taking just as long to land our targets
Hi PTE ,
most annoying thing is the August fixtures ,if we had a decent squad we should have a good start to the season ,unlike last year , maybe we still will !. UTA
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Fantastic post, the horse will be gone by the time the club realise the fans have disappeared .. We only had 7000 who parted with cash with a stadium which held 9000.. I don't think anyone will be paying for the experience of the Amex if it's half empty, and that's where we are heading next season, we lost 10% of season ticket sales this year after a decent season under OG .. The club need to get real, of the ten players to have left over the last 7 months , we have saved tens of thousands on wages.. Two years ago we had Vicente , bridcutt , bridge ulloa .. Who is going to excite me for my £500 season ticket now?[/p][/quote]If season ticket sales are down by 10% then TB will be extremely nervous by that so much so that he will know the club has to sign some players. So I think signings will be made Without any signings can anyone see TB turning up at the Fan's Forum or will he have "urgent business elsewhere"? He would have to have a lot of what footballers kick to attend. For that reason alone no further signings would be unthinkable if he's going to attend. As undesirable as it is, the club can leave it till the end of August to sign players. Not desirable from the playing point of view but enough to salvage season ticket sales and interest for the rest of the season Like you I'm gobsmacked that smaller clubs are more active than us in the transfer market, but who knows we might be on the brink of some major signings. It took ages for Leicester to land Ulloa and we may be taking just as long to land our targets[/p][/quote]Hi PTE , most annoying thing is the August fixtures ,if we had a decent squad we should have a good start to the season ,unlike last year , maybe we still will !. UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Conelli98 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing!
Would be foolish to ask where you've got the information, but I do feel obliged to at least ask, given that your last 'exclusive' was that Ulloa wasn't going to sign for Leicester....
And as I've previously stated (3times) I was being mischievous regarding the Ulloa post as I was bored of no news, but this was on NSC but could still be rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Emergency meeting at Amex tonight and Stockdale signing![/p][/quote]Would be foolish to ask where you've got the information, but I do feel obliged to at least ask, given that your last 'exclusive' was that Ulloa wasn't going to sign for Leicester....[/p][/quote]And as I've previously stated (3times) I was being mischievous regarding the Ulloa post as I was bored of no news, but this was on NSC but could still be rubbish! Conelli98
  • Score: -1

10:21pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
A very good post apart from I wouldn't say Brighton is a beautiful city as such, as much as I love it theres an awful lot of litter, grime, dog turds and some very unsavoury people on the streets around the city, then there's all the pikeys in Moulscoombe. All this might be putting off potential players along with a lack of funds at the club. Although Asda at Brighton marina village is probably the finest in the country.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]A very good post apart from I wouldn't say Brighton is a beautiful city as such, as much as I love it theres an awful lot of litter, grime, dog turds and some very unsavoury people on the streets around the city, then there's all the pikeys in Moulscoombe. All this might be putting off potential players along with a lack of funds at the club. Although Asda at Brighton marina village is probably the finest in the country. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 6

10:27pm Sun 27 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend.

Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.
Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend. Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

10:33pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
ringtone wrote:
tug509 wrote:
At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it .

We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it .
We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left .
We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money .
We know we got approximately £8m for Leo .
We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income .
We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then .
We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City .
We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !.
We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well .
We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum .
All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy .
So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA
Good stuff Tug.

The only bit i would take issue with is we have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

If that was the case surely we wouldn't have lost upright citizens like Ex-pat and Vegas to pastures new.
Do you actually live in brighton,beautiful ???.

I live in porstlade.Come on have a go
Hove Actually, but thanks for the compliment.

Grew up in Portslade, a hard docklands area that spawned some of the Albion's finest fans.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: At the risk of saying too much ,in the most humblest of opinions ,because lets face it were all fed up to the back teeth with it . We know we have a "competitive " budget for this season ,because we were promised it . We know we only spent out on one player last season DS at £500,000 ,so we should have the remainder left . We know we sold Bridcutt ,Barker ,Barnes and El Abd last season ,and have not touched that money . We know we got approximately £8m for Leo . We know we have the best attendance in the league for the last 2 seasons ,so plenty of income . We know we have 2 of the biggest sponsors in the world ,so some dosh there then . We are the only other club in England to have a sponsored academy ,the other being ,some team called Man City . We only have to look around The Amex to see the amount of merchandise that is on view ,so a shed load of money there !. We know that a lot of ancillary workers were let go along with additional staff from various depts ,so money saved there as well . We also have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe for potential signings ,not some backwater slum . All of the above has been confirmed by The Albion or The Argus ,so my question is : If we are told we have a "five year plan for the Premiership" ,and that "we are Premiership ready " we have already managed to p1ss off two very able managers ,and are working on No3 .Letting a man who has been "let go" by 3 premier clubs in 4 years have the responsibility of trying to bring in the players to get US there ,is surely nothing short of crazy . So we have the money ,we have the Manager with experience in buckets ,we have the supporters in abundance ,we have the ground to die for , so why the he11 don't we have players beating the door down ,we may have come from Withdean via The Goldstone God bless her ,but we never had these problems when we did not have a DOF ,so why have we now ?????. UTA[/p][/quote]Good stuff Tug. The only bit i would take issue with is we have one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. If that was the case surely we wouldn't have lost upright citizens like Ex-pat and Vegas to pastures new.[/p][/quote]Do you actually live in brighton,beautiful ???. I live in porstlade.Come on have a go[/p][/quote]Hove Actually, but thanks for the compliment. Grew up in Portslade, a hard docklands area that spawned some of the Albion's finest fans. ringtone
  • Score: 5

10:44pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend.

Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.
Vegas, the hotel is 3 years away,
What want to know is the plan! If it's to break even in a years time , great, but what exactly is our football plan? The problem is Vegas without the fans there is no club, or should I say paying customers, what exactly is going to entice them to renew a season ticket next season?
As for transfer funds Leicester will not pay 8m up front, we probably did not pay for cms up front,
Looking ahead to next year, cms out of contract, caldi and a few others over the hill, I see a massive spend is needed over next 12-18 months just to stand still,
Let's assume we make 50k profit this season , but shuffle along in mid table? That won't be good enough for the JCL at the Amex.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend. Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.[/p][/quote]Vegas, the hotel is 3 years away, What want to know is the plan! If it's to break even in a years time , great, but what exactly is our football plan? The problem is Vegas without the fans there is no club, or should I say paying customers, what exactly is going to entice them to renew a season ticket next season? As for transfer funds Leicester will not pay 8m up front, we probably did not pay for cms up front, Looking ahead to next year, cms out of contract, caldi and a few others over the hill, I see a massive spend is needed over next 12-18 months just to stand still, Let's assume we make 50k profit this season , but shuffle along in mid table? That won't be good enough for the JCL at the Amex. mark by the sea
  • Score: 8

11:01pm Sun 27 Jul 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend.

Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.
Maybe you could supply the plans for a copy of the MGM Grand Hotel on the Amex site.

Then it can become Little Las Vegas By Sea, earning money 24/7.

I am sure Lewes county council will look favorably on this planning application.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend. Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.[/p][/quote]Maybe you could supply the plans for a copy of the MGM Grand Hotel on the Amex site. Then it can become Little Las Vegas By Sea, earning money 24/7. I am sure Lewes county council will look favorably on this planning application. ringtone
  • Score: 6

11:32pm Sun 27 Jul 14

OldGull says...

Wigan cancel pre-season clash in Germany because they are running out of players
Injuries and lack of signings has hampered Uwe Rosler's preparations for the new Championship season

http://www.mirror.co
.uk/sport/football/#
ixzz38i85Q8gV


Brighton are not the only championship club short on players
Wigan cancel pre-season clash in Germany because they are running out of players Injuries and lack of signings has hampered Uwe Rosler's preparations for the new Championship season http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/# ixzz38i85Q8gV Brighton are not the only championship club short on players OldGull
  • Score: -3

11:47pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Amazing how and why some people thumb themselves up so much and so quickly...

Tugster... do we know that Burke was let go rather than leaving for pastures new? Concerning IF they were glad to see the back of him, but can't see its being true.
Amazing how and why some people thumb themselves up so much and so quickly... Tugster... do we know that Burke was let go rather than leaving for pastures new? Concerning IF they were glad to see the back of him, but can't see its being true. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -1

11:58pm Sun 27 Jul 14

pte says...

There's a lot of discontent expressed here but how many would be able to look TB or PB directly in the eye and ask awkward questions at the forum? These people are powerful and have a steely stare that few can return. My guess is that even the trolls will bottle it. Or at the last minute they will pull a rabbit out of the hat
There's a lot of discontent expressed here but how many would be able to look TB or PB directly in the eye and ask awkward questions at the forum? These people are powerful and have a steely stare that few can return. My guess is that even the trolls will bottle it. Or at the last minute they will pull a rabbit out of the hat pte
  • Score: 4

12:02am Mon 28 Jul 14

brighton bluenose says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Amazing how and why some people thumb themselves up so much and so quickly...

Tugster... do we know that Burke was let go rather than leaving for pastures new? Concerning IF they were glad to see the back of him, but can't see its being true.
A quick search reveals an NSC post by Edna Krabapple from November 2011 in where Edna has spotted a Sunday newspaper quote in which Southampton were said to be disappointed to lose Burke to us!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Amazing how and why some people thumb themselves up so much and so quickly... Tugster... do we know that Burke was let go rather than leaving for pastures new? Concerning IF they were glad to see the back of him, but can't see its being true.[/p][/quote]A quick search reveals an NSC post by Edna Krabapple from November 2011 in where Edna has spotted a Sunday newspaper quote in which Southampton were said to be disappointed to lose Burke to us!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 1

12:06am Mon 28 Jul 14

pte says...

And as Tug says there are some easier matches at the start. It's all about momentum. A good start breeds confidence that carries you through to the finishing line. Most of the promoted teams start well and finish well
And as Tug says there are some easier matches at the start. It's all about momentum. A good start breeds confidence that carries you through to the finishing line. Most of the promoted teams start well and finish well pte
  • Score: 4

12:31am Mon 28 Jul 14

gordongull says...

We are taking a huge gamble on our season if we wait until the end of August to complete the squad. But decent players who will play for the money we are offering wll be holding out for more until then.
Tomasz Kuszczak and Stephen Ward are examples.
Tomasz will never be out of work, but there is still a chance that a Premiership club will offer him a contract, either due to injuries, or the transfer of an existing 'keeper.
Stephen wants 1st team football, not least because of his international career, but he hasn't reached a point yet where he is willing to play for less than is guaranteed by his current contract. And Wolves clearly haven't yet got to the stage where they will subsidise his wages as part of a loan deal.
There are a lot of other players out there in similar circumstances who will play the market until they run out of options.
The pre-season friendlies were going well until we came up against English League competition. It took two Division One sides to expose our vulnerability in defence, and inadequacy in creating chances in the final third. If there was an impression at board level that we are almost there as far as team building is concerned, those two games have provided a reality check.
The squad as it stands now is a shadow of those from the last three seasons, and we would be better equipped embarking on the new campaign with the side which got us promoted from Division one.
The first five League matches have been targeted as ones where we can accumulate the points to provide a platform for more challenging fixtures ahead. If there has not been substantial investment in players by then, we could easily be ten points behind the leaders when the transfer window closes.
We are taking a huge gamble on our season if we wait until the end of August to complete the squad. But decent players who will play for the money we are offering wll be holding out for more until then. Tomasz Kuszczak and Stephen Ward are examples. Tomasz will never be out of work, but there is still a chance that a Premiership club will offer him a contract, either due to injuries, or the transfer of an existing 'keeper. Stephen wants 1st team football, not least because of his international career, but he hasn't reached a point yet where he is willing to play for less than is guaranteed by his current contract. And Wolves clearly haven't yet got to the stage where they will subsidise his wages as part of a loan deal. There are a lot of other players out there in similar circumstances who will play the market until they run out of options. The pre-season friendlies were going well until we came up against English League competition. It took two Division One sides to expose our vulnerability in defence, and inadequacy in creating chances in the final third. If there was an impression at board level that we are almost there as far as team building is concerned, those two games have provided a reality check. The squad as it stands now is a shadow of those from the last three seasons, and we would be better equipped embarking on the new campaign with the side which got us promoted from Division one. The first five League matches have been targeted as ones where we can accumulate the points to provide a platform for more challenging fixtures ahead. If there has not been substantial investment in players by then, we could easily be ten points behind the leaders when the transfer window closes. gordongull
  • Score: 3

2:06am Mon 28 Jul 14

VegasSeagull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend.

Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.
Vegas, the hotel is 3 years away,
What want to know is the plan! If it's to break even in a years time , great, but what exactly is our football plan? The problem is Vegas without the fans there is no club, or should I say paying customers, what exactly is going to entice them to renew a season ticket next season?
As for transfer funds Leicester will not pay 8m up front, we probably did not pay for cms up front,
Looking ahead to next year, cms out of contract, caldi and a few others over the hill, I see a massive spend is needed over next 12-18 months just to stand still,
Let's assume we make 50k profit this season , but shuffle along in mid table? That won't be good enough for the JCL at the Amex.
You are right Mark, gate numbers could fall in the interim period, but casual fans are fickle, start getting the good results and they come back. It is exactly for that reason that the club must devlop a sustainable non football income.
I really hope that Barber did demand a large up front, if not in full, payment for Ulloa, we might have need of that money.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend. Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.[/p][/quote]Vegas, the hotel is 3 years away, What want to know is the plan! If it's to break even in a years time , great, but what exactly is our football plan? The problem is Vegas without the fans there is no club, or should I say paying customers, what exactly is going to entice them to renew a season ticket next season? As for transfer funds Leicester will not pay 8m up front, we probably did not pay for cms up front, Looking ahead to next year, cms out of contract, caldi and a few others over the hill, I see a massive spend is needed over next 12-18 months just to stand still, Let's assume we make 50k profit this season , but shuffle along in mid table? That won't be good enough for the JCL at the Amex.[/p][/quote]You are right Mark, gate numbers could fall in the interim period, but casual fans are fickle, start getting the good results and they come back. It is exactly for that reason that the club must devlop a sustainable non football income. I really hope that Barber did demand a large up front, if not in full, payment for Ulloa, we might have need of that money. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

5:27am Mon 28 Jul 14

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend.

Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.
Vegas, the hotel is 3 years away,
What want to know is the plan! If it's to break even in a years time , great, but what exactly is our football plan? The problem is Vegas without the fans there is no club, or should I say paying customers, what exactly is going to entice them to renew a season ticket next season?
As for transfer funds Leicester will not pay 8m up front, we probably did not pay for cms up front,
Looking ahead to next year, cms out of contract, caldi and a few others over the hill, I see a massive spend is needed over next 12-18 months just to stand still,
Let's assume we make 50k profit this season , but shuffle along in mid table? That won't be good enough for the JCL at the Amex.
You are right Mark, gate numbers could fall in the interim period, but casual fans are fickle, start getting the good results and they come back. It is exactly for that reason that the club must devlop a sustainable non football income.
I really hope that Barber did demand a large up front, if not in full, payment for Ulloa, we might have need of that money.
But if we get 3.5 up front, then 2.5 m next year, and 2m the next , are we not covering FFP better?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Did Leicester pay us 8M up front for Ulloa, if they didn't, if it's a case of so much down and the rest later, then we don't have his 8M to spend. Something that we should all hope for is that the club gets planning approved for the hotel ect, income derived from non football sources is what will ensure our progress on the park. As time goes by I fully expect the club to enter into other non footballing ventures.[/p][/quote]Vegas, the hotel is 3 years away, What want to know is the plan! If it's to break even in a years time , great, but what exactly is our football plan? The problem is Vegas without the fans there is no club, or should I say paying customers, what exactly is going to entice them to renew a season ticket next season? As for transfer funds Leicester will not pay 8m up front, we probably did not pay for cms up front, Looking ahead to next year, cms out of contract, caldi and a few others over the hill, I see a massive spend is needed over next 12-18 months just to stand still, Let's assume we make 50k profit this season , but shuffle along in mid table? That won't be good enough for the JCL at the Amex.[/p][/quote]You are right Mark, gate numbers could fall in the interim period, but casual fans are fickle, start getting the good results and they come back. It is exactly for that reason that the club must devlop a sustainable non football income. I really hope that Barber did demand a large up front, if not in full, payment for Ulloa, we might have need of that money.[/p][/quote]But if we get 3.5 up front, then 2.5 m next year, and 2m the next , are we not covering FFP better? mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:56am Mon 28 Jul 14

Neville says...

In my opinion the hotel,if goes ahead,will not answer all our problems. The stadium site is well out of the city and if the target is to entice businessmen then most would want to be in town. Holiday makers with kids won,t be too interested as there is little to do around that area apart from nearby Stanmer Park. Running a profitable hotel is a massive ask but it will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition,especially bearing the current issues with Bennetts Field.
In my opinion the hotel,if goes ahead,will not answer all our problems. The stadium site is well out of the city and if the target is to entice businessmen then most would want to be in town. Holiday makers with kids won,t be too interested as there is little to do around that area apart from nearby Stanmer Park. Running a profitable hotel is a massive ask but it will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition,especially bearing the current issues with Bennetts Field. Neville
  • Score: 0

9:45am Mon 28 Jul 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Amazing how and why some people thumb themselves up so much and so quickly...

Tugster... do we know that Burke was let go rather than leaving for pastures new? Concerning IF they were glad to see the back of him, but can't see its being true.
Morning Arnie ,
I am sorry but I cant find that info ,I have no idea whether it was a choice on either part ,or as with so many players ,"by mutual consent" .
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Amazing how and why some people thumb themselves up so much and so quickly... Tugster... do we know that Burke was let go rather than leaving for pastures new? Concerning IF they were glad to see the back of him, but can't see its being true.[/p][/quote]Morning Arnie , I am sorry but I cant find that info ,I have no idea whether it was a choice on either part ,or as with so many players ,"by mutual consent" . tug509
  • Score: 0

10:24am Mon 28 Jul 14

pte says...

Neville wrote:
In my opinion the hotel,if goes ahead,will not answer all our problems. The stadium site is well out of the city and if the target is to entice businessmen then most would want to be in town. Holiday makers with kids won,t be too interested as there is little to do around that area apart from nearby Stanmer Park. Running a profitable hotel is a massive ask but it will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition,especially bearing the current issues with Bennetts Field.
I think the business sector is the most profitable. The key will be the facilities for meetings. If there is good car parking that will be an advantage over other hotels and guests can simply drive into town.

The hotel may only be part of a larger development of large out of town stores and possibly a cinema, something like the marina development but without the boats
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: In my opinion the hotel,if goes ahead,will not answer all our problems. The stadium site is well out of the city and if the target is to entice businessmen then most would want to be in town. Holiday makers with kids won,t be too interested as there is little to do around that area apart from nearby Stanmer Park. Running a profitable hotel is a massive ask but it will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition,especially bearing the current issues with Bennetts Field.[/p][/quote]I think the business sector is the most profitable. The key will be the facilities for meetings. If there is good car parking that will be an advantage over other hotels and guests can simply drive into town. The hotel may only be part of a larger development of large out of town stores and possibly a cinema, something like the marina development but without the boats pte
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Crucial Point wrote:
I fear these players that will be found to 'plug the holes' (sounds desperate) will be nowhere near the quality of the excellent ones we have seen depart in recent months. Then, come end of season, Sami may well be off like those before him. All rather depressing and no way to run a club.
Surely that depends on what your criteria for the right way to run a club is?
If you want to an unsustainable spend, spend, spend boom and bust scenario then we'll all love the ride for a couple of seasons before ending up like Portsmouth.
The Chairman's philosophy is clearly to create a profitable environment that eventually feeds itself for sustainable, long term improvement.
Certainly not as much fun from where we sit, and as frustrating as heck when all we want is a successful team. But surely if you get the club right, the team will come? The problem is it's a much slower - and more boring - process.
"Ouch!" said the nail as it received as painful blow to the head!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crucial Point[/bold] wrote: I fear these players that will be found to 'plug the holes' (sounds desperate) will be nowhere near the quality of the excellent ones we have seen depart in recent months. Then, come end of season, Sami may well be off like those before him. All rather depressing and no way to run a club.[/p][/quote]Surely that depends on what your criteria for the right way to run a club is? If you want to an unsustainable spend, spend, spend boom and bust scenario then we'll all love the ride for a couple of seasons before ending up like Portsmouth. The Chairman's philosophy is clearly to create a profitable environment that eventually feeds itself for sustainable, long term improvement. Certainly not as much fun from where we sit, and as frustrating as heck when all we want is a successful team. But surely if you get the club right, the team will come? The problem is it's a much slower - and more boring - process.[/p][/quote]"Ouch!" said the nail as it received as painful blow to the head! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 3

2:35pm Mon 28 Jul 14

norris1922 says...

Different summer same old bs. We have the best supported club in the championship . We have sold or let go a number of players . Where is that money going mr barber and why cannot compleat with other clubs in the championship . With smaller budgets why not mr barber tell us what is going on the supporters of brighton deserve that much . Sami hypia deserves more support than he is getting if he is unable to that then he should go and get someone in who can
Different summer same old bs. We have the best supported club in the championship . We have sold or let go a number of players . Where is that money going mr barber and why cannot compleat with other clubs in the championship . With smaller budgets why not mr barber tell us what is going on the supporters of brighton deserve that much . Sami hypia deserves more support than he is getting if he is unable to that then he should go and get someone in who can norris1922
  • Score: -1

2:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Neville says...

Pte
Where is all the land for this development you foresee,the Hotel was earmarked for Bennetts field,which is now about to be unused as car parking. There currently is no other land available.
Pte Where is all the land for this development you foresee,the Hotel was earmarked for Bennetts field,which is now about to be unused as car parking. There currently is no other land available. Neville
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Captain Haddock says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Yesterday on TalkSport they had John Crofts(?) football expert from the Daily Mirror talking about the Championship and going through all the teams and how he expected them to do - who would be contenders, who has signed who etc
A lot of clubs were tipped to do well. I'm afraid the Seagulls were mentioned only in passing and the comments were that we were looking a lot weaker this year, Ulloa had gone, we had been ineffective in the transfer market, there was a suggestion that something is wrong with the way the club is run (it was mentioned it was odd Garcia walked out after a fairly successful 1st season in the play offs), it was stated the club interviewed lots for the managers job and Hyypia was far from first choice. In fact this Daily Mirror expert thought the only thing in BHAs favour this year is our fantastic support which could be worth a few points.
So it's official, the Club is in a mess and WE are its best asset.
So a Daily Mirror football 'expert' makes your distorted views official?! Hmm.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Yesterday on TalkSport they had John Crofts(?) football expert from the Daily Mirror talking about the Championship and going through all the teams and how he expected them to do - who would be contenders, who has signed who etc A lot of clubs were tipped to do well. I'm afraid the Seagulls were mentioned only in passing and the comments were that we were looking a lot weaker this year, Ulloa had gone, we had been ineffective in the transfer market, there was a suggestion that something is wrong with the way the club is run (it was mentioned it was odd Garcia walked out after a fairly successful 1st season in the play offs), it was stated the club interviewed lots for the managers job and Hyypia was far from first choice. In fact this Daily Mirror expert thought the only thing in BHAs favour this year is our fantastic support which could be worth a few points. So it's official, the Club is in a mess and WE are its best asset.[/p][/quote]So a Daily Mirror football 'expert' makes your distorted views official?! Hmm. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

11:21pm Mon 28 Jul 14

KeefyH44 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs'

If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait?
If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait?
If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what.
If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages?

Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.
But those three players are assets, loan players are not. I recall The Albion being promoted to the then 2nd division using loan players who then returned to their parent clubs at the end of the season, and we didn't invest in New players and we got tonked every game next season. Mind you, not sure but I think it might have been during Archer and Belotti' s reign!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I pose these questions to anyone who might care to answer, and it's full of 'ifs' If we are talking to prem clubs with regard to borrowing some quality, qulaity as they compare to who might be available to buy, would you see that as worth the wait? If the prem clubs have to finish their business before they get down to sorting things out with us, is that worth the wait? If we have the chance to borrow a, 'Lingard type,' or buy a payer of similar ability, should we buy or borrow, the wages will be the same no matter what. If we can borrow three players at a wage cost of around 36K a week, would that be better than buying three players at a total cost of say, 4M, paying the same out in wages? Any of the above could be holding up our recruiting.[/p][/quote]But those three players are assets, loan players are not. I recall The Albion being promoted to the then 2nd division using loan players who then returned to their parent clubs at the end of the season, and we didn't invest in New players and we got tonked every game next season. Mind you, not sure but I think it might have been during Archer and Belotti' s reign! KeefyH44
  • Score: 0

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