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Does the web need tougher controls?

2:19pm Tuesday 1st May 2007

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Footage of violent attacks taking place in Brighton have been posted on video sharing websites such as YouTube. The assaults are part of an increasingly disturbing trend among certain groups of teenagers to glorify violence.

Here, David Lepper, MP for Brighton Pavilion, argues that those who allow the videos to be posted on the internet - as well as the thugs they feature - should face court action.

Following a story in The Argus about disturbing images celebrating gang violence in Churchill Square and other parts of the city appearing on the internet, I am asking both the Home Office and the communications regulator Ofcom to look at whether we need to do more to control what appears on websites like YouTube.

There is no doubt the internet is a huge force for good in the world.

Through it we can communicate across geographical, national and political boundaries.

We can keep in daily contact with family and friends on the other side of the world.

We have access to information, ideas and entertainment of all kinds.

We can share the experiences of people whose lives are very different from our own.

And when governments try to censor the political content of websites there is, quite rightly, an outcry.

But the internet can be used for more sinister purposes as well. For instance, there is general international agreement about clamping down on internet child pornography and the Internet Watch organisation has played a leading role in that.

Every so often, some event makes many ask what we can do to minimise the internet's potential for harm.

The violent death of Brighton teacher Jane Longhurst was one.

It raised concerns about access to and the effects on behaviour of violent internet pornography.

I congratulate The Argus on the vital role it played in backing the campaign by Jane's mother Liz to get Government action to curb this extreme pornography.

The campaign was later backed by Amnesty International and has led to legislation soon to come before Parliament about possession of such images.

As one of the MPs with Mrs Longhurst at many of her meetings with ministers and civil servants, I discovered just how difficult it is to control what is on the internet, especially when - unlike with the issue of child pornography - there is no international consensus about what is or is not acceptable. It can be difficult, if not impossible, to track down where material originates.

It is a different kind of violence - highlighted last month by The Argus - which has once again raised this issue. In this case there is no real doubt about the origin.

The pictures, apparently taken from CCTV cameras and from mobile phones, glorified real-life violence.

They showed a gang fight and violent attack in Brighton's Churchill Square, harassment and violence at Moulsecoomb railway station and an incident on a bus.

The images had been edited with a music track and posted on YouTube.

Everyone who has seen this footage and the stills from it has been shocked, not only by the mindless and inexcusable thuggery but that it has been made publicly available in a way which seems to celebrate extreme aggression.

There is no doubt the intention of those who did this was to boast about their involvement and Sussex Police are investigating how the CCTV footage got on to the internet.

Of course, the very great virtue of YouTube is that it provides a space where anyone can post their films and thoughts and ideas.

But YouTube has a code of practice which should exclude material like the Brighton pictures. The fact it did not exclude them until a fuss was made raises questions about how the code of practice is monitored.

That is why I am asking the Home Office and the communications watchdog Ofcom to consider whether stricter regulation is needed, not just for YouTube but also for other sites like it.

I don't know the answers to those questions. It could be that selfregulation by the industry is enough and that YouTube was just sloppy in letting these images through.

I welcome the fact that the courts have dealt with at least some of those involved in the violent incidents.

The question I believe we now need to consider is if the courts also need the power - if they don't already have it - to deal with those who posted or sanctioned the posting of the material on YouTube.

If they don't have that power already, then maybe the law needs changing.

  • Do you think websites like YouTube should be prosecuted for hosting these violent videos? Have your say below.

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Peter, Brighton says...
6:59pm Tue 1 May 07

No, don't prosecute YouTube. Prosecute the scum that commits the crimes. In fact, the video only helped to raise public awareness of the problem and started the discussion, as seeing it is much more narrative and disturbing than just reading that 'a kid got beaten up on the beach'

Keith Underhill, Manchester says...
7:14pm Tue 1 May 07

I am outraged that Amnesty would support locking poeple up for watching consensual videos. This nasty and intolerant governmnet is not curbing the internet but locking people up for possessing the wrong type of ****.

mark, says...
12:25am Wed 2 May 07

The proposed "extreme ****" law is very different, in that it targets consensual and simulated adult images, and is nothing to do with images that have been created from actual violence. Furthermore, it criminalises mere possession, rather than the publishers. The Longhurst campaign asked people to oppose sites promoting violence against women, but the Government's proposed law targets images of consensual S&M and simulated fetish images, and has nothing to do with whether sites are promoting violence.

The reason there is no international consensus over what the Government calls "extreme" **** is because, unlike child ****, there is no harm caused, and no reason to ban it, other than that some people don't want other people to see it. This is all the more reason why the UK Government should come forward with sensible solutions (e.g., legislating based on harm caused), rather than criminalising innocent people because of their sex life and passing laws that have no chance of passing in countries that don't share our prudish attitude.

Will the Government take the same route with YouTube as with the "extreme ****" law, criminalising instead the UK citizens who view the videos? Perhaps we should similarly include simulated violence, making any violent film illegal to own. What a brilliant idea!

PS - the comment system seems to be broken in that it asterisks words that are included in the article text.

Graham Marsden, Portsmouth says...
1:43am Wed 2 May 07

Firstly I wish people would make a distinction between *non* consensual activities of violence and those featured in so-called "extreme (insert four asterisks here)" the vast majority of which features consenting adults engaged in legal activities.

Secondly Mrs Longhurst's campaign claimed that these images "promoted violence against women" but there is no credible evidence to back this up, only anecdotal claims and poorly conducted work which has subsequently been criticised and often rejected for failing to apply any proper sense of scientific rigor.

As regards "do the courts also need the power to deal with those who posted or sanctioned the posting of the material on YouTube."

No, they do not because the distinction between what is "acceptable" or not is a purely subjective one.

Our Courts and Police have better things to do than deal with legislation based solely on personal taste.

Simon Taylor, Boston, Lincs, UK says...
6:07pm Thu 3 May 07

At the possible risk of sounding insulting, David Lepper comes accross as as being exceptionally technophobic.

There are already adequate laws in place, along with self regulatory rules within the industry to deal with sites hosting genuinely abusive material, or promoting hate, violence etc.

If Mr Lepper wants to live in a country that has tight internet controls, perhaps he should move to either China or Saudi Arabia?

Personally I would prefer living in a democracy. One that doesn't throw people in jail or filter material that he doesn't agree with.

Peter Robertson, Brighton says...
8:36pm Fri 4 May 07

If these happy slappers had attacked me, I woulda bided my time, got each one on their own and permanantly disabled them, so they couldn't do it again. I'm sure a smart lawyer would get me off in the unlikely event I got caught (self defense your honour, which with their previous vs my clean sheet would be easy). Probably the same smart defense lawyers who got these chavs off time and again, allowing them to repeat offend ad infinitum. It's sad that the public has to be forced into vigilante action but their truly is no alternative solution that actually works. Maybe happy slapping won't seem so funny when they are the target. There is NO happy slapping problem in the USA as you never know who might be carrying a gun, try that and you'll visit an early grave. All it would take is 8 well meaning, public spirited guys in a transit van to pay them a visit and happy slapping would be history. Instead we all obey the stupid ineffective laws and suffer it over and over and over and over. Someone, Somewhere, Sometime soon will have had enough and start the trend, bring it on I say...

Peter, Hove says...
7:20pm Sat 29 Mar 08

This is quite frankly the worst kind of Labour nanny state idea. You cannot legislate your way out of every problem. How is it going to help matters if instead of videos being posted on youtube they are posted on an uncontrolled and completely unaccountable offshore site. How much would it cost youtube to check every video? It would destroy the whole concept and simply move such sites to the unscrupulous making matters worse not better. And how much would such legislation cost, and what new stealth tax rise would they come up to fund it, or would they simply increase the national debt even further and completely bankrupt the country.

vince, london says...
4:21pm Tue 10 Jun 08

This is terrible reporting! It implies Amnesty supported the law and the campaign for this law when they infact did NOT!

http://www.backlash-
uk.org.uk/amnesty711
.htmles

'Amnesty International UK supported Liz Longhurst's campaign through our affiliation to the End Violence Against Women campaign.

Our involvement was not in any way related to the pornogrpahic content of the crime but purely to the violent murder of the victim.'

if the link doesn't work, see the Backlash site.

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