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Lewes: Fury at car boot clamping

10:57am Monday 16th June 2008

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There was outrage at a car boot sale when clampers swooped on Sunday morning bargain hunters.

Tyres on the clamping company's van were slashed as tempers flared and police were called.

An MP tried to act as peacemaker as "mob rule" threatened to spiral out of control.

But Guardian Parking Management, which said it clamped ten cars, refused to back down and drivers, some of them pensioners, were forced to pay £120 to get their cars back.

They were targeted after parking at Eastgate Wharf, off Eastgate Street, Lewes, which became a clamping zone last Monday.

Lewes MP Norman Baker, who was browsing nearby stalls, said the row highlighted the need for greater scrutiny of the way clampers operated and the fines they charged.

He said: "People went to a boot sale looking for a bargain and came away with £120 fines. This is a huge amount of money. There are some who simply can't afford to pay.

"There is an issue about parking here and access for emergency vehicles and lorries unloading, but dealing with it through clamping being suddenly introduced is not the right way to go about it. There is a need to have a greater say over private parking companies - both the amount they charge and the way some of them operate."

Victims said they had parked on the land for years without problems and hadn't noticed warning signs put up last week.

Peter Welch, 72, of the Landport estate, Lewes, said: "I just popped into the car boot sale for ten minutes.

As I was putting the stuff I'd bought in the car the man was clamping it.

"I asked him whether he was allowed to do that while I was there and he said nobody had been with the car when he arrived.

"We're on a pension and we can't afford it. We'll have to go without this week."

Lesley Afzali, 69, from Tarring Neville, said: "I just don't have that money because I'm a pensioner.

"They shouldn't be allowed to charge more than a week's pension."

Some motorists complained they had not seen the signs, which were positioned above head height.

Linda Palmer, 59, from Newhaven, had a blue badge on her dashboard as her husband is disabled.

She said: "It's been chaos here. We've stopped so many other people from getting clamped this morning because everyone's been used to parking here for years. There are a lot of very very angry people."

Mrs Palmer said up to 20 cars may have been clamped but Mark Lynch, director of Guardian, said only ten were immobilised and two owners were not charged.

He said: "One was released free because they had a blue badge which they had failed to display, and the other took the clamp off themselves. We were requested to carry out the clamping by the property management agent we work for.

"While our immobilisers were on site people still kept coming in and parking despite our warning boards, vehicles and guys in uniform.

The police came out and were confident everything was OK. But then mob rule took over and people decided to slash our tyres."

Police said they had told Mr Baker that what the clamping company had done was perfectly lawful.


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ec, Brighton says...
11:17am Mon 16 Jun 08

Filth. Easy way to not pay them is to use a credit card to pay them ( if you have one of course) and then call the credit card company and stop the charge. The clampers then needs to prove the charge is a legal one which takes them ages and they are unlikely to chase it.

graham, hove says...
11:21am Mon 16 Jun 08

credit card company and stop the charge.


nope. the CC company will ask you why you want to stop the payment. They are obligated to make the payment as soon as you provide the company with your card details, unless you have a mighty fine reason to have it stopped, otherwise you'll be done for CC fraud.
The CC will ask you to take up the civil case if you disagree with the payment.
sorry ec, you're wrong, as much as I'd like to do what you've suggested!

Gino, Portslade says...
11:56am Mon 16 Jun 08

Whatever happened to Angle Grinder Man??


Vince, Hove says...
12:28pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Cowboy clampers tried this sort of stunt in Scotland. They were jailed for extortion. Time we had similar legislation here.

local, lewes says...
12:32pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Youknow...why not just pay to have your car recovered with the clamp attached to your home address. As long as no damage is causes and you let the clamping company know where their clamp is then no offence is committed. Now not a cheap option and a bit bloody minded but I'd prefer to pay recovery fee rather than clampers. I don't think they would leave the clamp on you car for very long as they would revenue...on another note...did you know there are no wheel clampers in Paris....want to know why?

ec, Brighton says...
12:45pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Grinder man! - we used to cut the clamps off the cars and put them in the boot of our cars where we used to live. It was private ground, we were the freeholders so they couldnt do a thing. taht stopped the scum

sarah, crawley says...
12:53pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Hubby once helped a college friend out by cutting off the wheel clamp and welding it back together in the college workshop before returning it! Having said that it was in the same carpark where they broke (wire hanger down the window) into one of the cars in front of the security guard to get the keys out of it.

Micheal, lewes says...
12:59pm Mon 16 Jun 08

No wonder you have put mob rule in quotation mark. A group of pensioners outraged
by a greedy,deceptive clamping company trying desperately to avoid paying a
£120 fine. A fine that will cause them to go without food and electricity for two
weeks. It nice to see the Argus championing the peoples cause as usual.
I hope your readership solely consists of car clampers and policemen because
am sure all the pensioners here will fell sufficiently incensed not to entertain your
biased reporting with what is left of their pensions. Please check out 'Mark Lynch of
Guardian Security' a simple google search will bring up so revealing facts about this man.

tom, bri says...
1:00pm Mon 16 Jun 08

"They shouldn't be allowed to charge more than a week's pension."


Excellent idea! I'd like all fines in life to be made easily affordable in relation to my disposable income so I can pick and choose what and where I adhere to advertised parking restrictions.

local, lewes says...
1:06pm Mon 16 Jun 08

.mmmmmm. Argus removing quite a few posts (valid ones) from this thread.....so. Reporting selected news then....no change there

No, Way says...
1:39pm Mon 16 Jun 08

"There is an issue about parking here and access for emergency vehicles and lorries unloading, but dealing with it through clamping being suddenly introduced is not the right way to go about it."

Is there was already an issue that was on going, then it was "suddenly" a clamping area. I bet people had already been asked nicely in the past to move along and stop blocking the road, but never listened. So the clampers were brought in as a "last resort" to stop people parking in stupid places.

Easiest way to avoid a fine? DON'T PARK WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO!

Under the bridge, Lewes says...
1:42pm Mon 16 Jun 08

The road in question is a narrow access road, the people parking on it block up the way for peple leaving Waitrose car park etc and park on the pavement. There is a perfectly good, FREE car park over the bridge behind Cliffe High Street. The signs were clearly there but then looking at most Lewes residents, reading is probably beyond them. They got what was coming but then Lewes is fearful of change.

Think about it, at work says...
1:49pm Mon 16 Jun 08

"A group of pensioners...trying desperately to avoid paying a
£120 fine. A fine that will cause them to go without food and electricity for two weeks."

Oh come off it! If they're so poor how do they afford to run their cars? £120 will only fill a car with fuel three times.

I hate clampers, but car owning, Lewes residing OAPs are not my definition of pensioners on the breadline, and this sort of ridiculous hyperbole doesn't do their argument any favours.

The issue here is the law, and its application. Just because the car owners in this case are old is totally irrelevant.

Freeholder, Brighton says...
1:58pm Mon 16 Jun 08

I use Guardian for a piece of property I own that people regularly park on to try and avoid street parking charges. The fact is I have used many companies over the years and Guardian are on of the best, they are fair but you have to remember they are a business and not a public service.

For me the advantage is I can park on my land whenever I want and don't have try and find the owners of the cars blocking my land.

I am sorry for the pensioners but if idiots didn't keep parking wherever they felt like parking and ignoring all signage to save a few minutes or a few pence then Guardian wouldn't be in business.

Its not just private land that there are problems, I see people parking on double yellows blocking drop kerbs for prams and wheelchairs all the time, people double parking blocking roads, business men in 4x4 with blue badges that are obviously fake and because it is on public property they get away with it.

Just because you don't have to deal with the idiots from a freeholder's point of view don't victimise those that do as Guardian solve a lot more problems for decent people than they cause.

Micheal, lewes says...
2:11pm Mon 16 Jun 08

People go to a car boot sale to buy cheap goods they usually attract poor people. The issue here is that so many people we caught by the clampers . Therefore one would assume that the markings were not sufficient. Also the fact that two clamping
vehicles were in the area to deal with the volume at the same time is all the evidence any person would need to understand that this is entrapment.
I personally heard them say they had clamped about 16 cars.
Lewes council were authorised to allow clamping because they said it would be used in only the most extreme cases. "16 cars in half an hour."

Some people really are poor we should be supporting them.

Mike Melbourne, says...
2:18pm Mon 16 Jun 08

The average Police Officer knows very little about the laws on clamping and will always say that it is a civil matter and often back the clampers.Clamping is often done by the type of person that used to do the job on dodgy club and pub doors before some regulation happened on who could do that.

Hyacinth, Lewes says...
2:37pm Mon 16 Jun 08

'Easiest way to avoid a fine? DON'T PARK WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO!'

I think you have missed the point. They didn't know they were not supposed to park there because no one was informed. It is a car park that has been used for years. And now there has been a change of use / terms of use the only thing that is fair to do is give due notice. Apparently the notices had only been put up the sunday night before. If you saw the sign or knew you were going to be charged £120 would you park there for the sheer hell of it? I think the issue here is giving locals (who have been frequenting the carboot for years)due notice. If they don't know there has been a change who does? Oh yes, the clampers who sat in their cars waiting for the individuals to turn up one by one over a three hour period then asking for the £120 release fee. If they had spent the time waiving people away then it would be forgivable. The fact they used that time to sit and bait everyone is what leaves everyone with a bad taste.

Disgusted, Brighton says...
2:37pm Mon 16 Jun 08

WOW
People going about there business return to their vehicle and find they have to spend a three figure sum to mobilise it!
How awful Now the clampers know how their victims feel!
The charge is totally out of proportion to the 'crime'
Lets all get down there next week and clamp their van All we need to do is put a couple of signs up!

Lewes Resident, Lewes says...
3:10pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Soon no one will want to visit Lewes, as if we don't have enough problems with our blue traffic wardens we now have Guardian Security clamping. Lewes was fine before the parking restrictions or is there anyone out there who thinks it's done wonders for our town and shops

Aggrieved, Lewes says...
3:10pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Unfortunately I was one of the unlucky ones who was clamped, (and no, I am not a pensioner).
The Argus report about "Mob Rule" is nearly as outrageous as the deceptive way the clampers went about their business.
People have parked in the car park and nearby spaces for many many years without any problem. It appears that a company called "Chevel" has purchased six units in the High Street - the purchase includes ownership of the car park (outside Laura Ashley's) and the ajoining road. I feel that it would have been fair and reasonable for the owner to publicise his intentions before employing this heavy handed approach. Perhaps placing a letter in the local paper or by distributing leaflets in the vicinity. Signs were apparently erected at 10.30pm on Friday evening and erected way above normal visual range.
Norman Baker was very sympathetic to those involved but his negotiations with the landowner were not fruitful. I shall now strive to cause "Chevel" the same amount of inconvienience.

df, Uckfield says...
3:26pm Mon 16 Jun 08

My hero is the pensioner who dimantled enough of his car to remove the clamp. Well done!

tony, west sussex says...
4:42pm Mon 16 Jun 08

clamping should be made illegal with all the bad press they get if i ever get clamped i will cut the clamp of and chuck it through the clampers window so beware clampers this one bites back lol

Thats what I'm talking about, says...
4:45pm Mon 16 Jun 08

The only way to deal with Car clampers, traffic wardens is the use of violence. These pensioners should arm themselves and open fire on these bully's.

Jim Davies, Brighton says...
5:10pm Mon 16 Jun 08

We get parking stories constantly in this paper - this is not news.

Why is it that some peopole don't get it, if you park legally, you won't clamped - clamping company/traffic warden whatever - it is really that simple.


Sue, Hove says...
5:31pm Mon 16 Jun 08

If they parked legally, they would not be clamped. I presume they can all read the signs. Motorists think they can park anywhere with no thought for anybody.

Violence towards the clampers or their vehicles is a criminal offence. When will moptorists obey the law?

will Maughan, Lewes says...
6:34pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Mike Melbourne wrote:
The average Police Officer knows very little about the laws on clamping and will always say that it is a civil matter and often back the clampers.Clamping is often done by the type of person that used to do the job on dodgy club and pub doors before some regulation happened on who could do that.
The same people that regulate the doorman have regulated the Clamping industry for 2 years now, I was there sunday and everyone i heard speaking that had been clamped was saying that they had seen the signs but had been parking there for years and didnt think it would apply to them.

They also kept banging on about a show of good will by the clampers of letting them go for free, then cut the tyres of the clampers and stood there verbally abusing them.

It was a joke and it was typical that they felt like victims, as for the fact that the two clamping vans sat there while more people came and parked in the area whilst they were applying clamps well that says it all what sort of idiot would do that then moan abou the fine.!

The clampers were polite that i saw and tried to explain everything to anyone that asked dispite the verbal abuse.

There was more than enough signs at a suitable hight if they were ignored its not there fault!

Kickboxer, Worthing says...
6:41pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Although I agree with clamping illegally parked cars the security company in question is the same one that did the security for the Worthing hospital meeting with the P.C.T. at the charmandean center I witnessed one lad get bent over by two guards and kneed in the face by another, they would have had another go if I hadn't hit one of the idiots right in the side of the head, they were also not wearing their SIA I.D. card in a visible place like they are required to by law, it seems to me that this company is a law unto it's self.

John B, says...
7:44pm Mon 16 Jun 08

I don't like clampers or wardens at all but you could build warning signs 20 feet high and they still would have parked there.
Free parking around the corner and people are still too lazy to walk all of 100 yards.

Zolabud., Lewes says...
8:01pm Mon 16 Jun 08

I feel for everyone in this unfortunate matter.But it would have been nice to have a written warning near the new no parking area.You know,like planning people do.Seems a bit underhand....

Phil, says...
8:36pm Mon 16 Jun 08

The best way to avoid paying parking fines is not to park illegally.

Hadly Clamp, Worthing says...
10:09pm Mon 16 Jun 08

Disgusted wrote:
WOW People going about there business return to their vehicle and find they have to spend a three figure sum to mobilise it! How awful Now the clampers know how their victims feel! The charge is totally out of proportion to the 'crime' Lets all get down there next week and clamp their van All we need to do is put a couple of signs up!
Actually NO you will go to prison if you clamp without a licence.
The problem here is that when ever you park anywhere you need to read any signs, the worst are the premises that give a time limit. Often they do not clap you instead they buy your address details from the DVLA (yes that is exactly what they do) then send you a charge of often over £150.
They all get away with poor signage that is often placed where people can not see. It is outrageous that they have not been forced to limit their charges and many are run by people that have been to prison for violent crimes. Its a real money spinner for the get rich quick.
Moral to my rambling is READ THE SIGNS WHERE EVER YOU PARK!!!!! They will be obscure but you need to look for them high up or in a corner. they are never at the entrance as that would be too easy to read.

boris, lewes says...
5:07am Tue 17 Jun 08

There is a simple, free solution to this problem. Next week when you park there, simply cover the entire outside of your car with bits of bush and twigs. This will camourflage it perfectly and the clampers will inevitably move on.

mick, worthing says...
6:42am Tue 17 Jun 08

I was a lewes resident for many years I used to sell at this boot sale for some 10 years and it is a freindly meeting place, guardian is a disreputable company, i have had 2 run ins with then, the majority of the sites they operate on are not legally marked they are well signed but not legally marked and the operatives often remove their SIA badges (reportable to SIA) obvoiusly they planned this "hit" however as we know people power will always prevail however who is this property company who engaged there services shame on them the boot sale has been going on for almost 20 years without any major problems

Shocked & Amazed, Lewes says...
9:47am Tue 17 Jun 08

Some astute comments on the above posts. I particularly like,
1. This “hit” was purposely planned to occur early on a Sunday morning (coincides with an established boot fair).
2. Any anger should be directed towards the owner of the land who employed this underhand tactic. I’ll await clarification of who owns this land but most seem to feel it is Michael Rees and/or Martin Elliott (short of cash property developers/wideboys)
.

Lord Larry, Worthing says...
8:58pm Thu 19 Jun 08

Hadly Clamp wrote:
Disgusted wrote: WOW People going about there business return to their vehicle and find they have to spend a three figure sum to mobilise it! How awful Now the clampers know how their victims feel! The charge is totally out of proportion to the 'crime' Lets all get down there next week and clamp their van All we need to do is put a couple of signs up!
Actually NO you will go to prison if you clamp without a licence. The problem here is that when ever you park anywhere you need to read any signs, the worst are the premises that give a time limit. Often they do not clap you instead they buy your address details from the DVLA (yes that is exactly what they do) then send you a charge of often over £150. They all get away with poor signage that is often placed where people can not see. It is outrageous that they have not been forced to limit their charges and many are run by people that have been to prison for violent crimes. Its a real money spinner for the get rich quick. Moral to my rambling is READ THE SIGNS WHERE EVER YOU PARK!!!!! They will be obscure but you need to look for them high up or in a corner. they are never at the entrance as that would be too easy to read.
i AGREE BUT THESE GUY'S ARE PROB WATER TIGHT AS FAR AS THE LAW STANDS. Basically you have to read the signs that may be sited anywhere on private land, you can not take it for granted that you can park. The only thing is that the clampers must be licenced other wise its a jailable offence to clamp your car.

albert hall, brighton says...
10:20pm Sat 21 Jun 08

The moral of the story? Don't shop in Lewes.

Richard Ruzyllo, Lewes says...
4:39pm Mon 23 Jun 08

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. You cannot stop a Credit Card payment. It is not a cheque.

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