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Residents' parking charges planned across Brighton and Hove
Thousands of motorists could be expected to start paying to park outside their homes under sweeping new changes to the charging system.
A four-year timetable to introduce more controlled parking zones will tackle Brighton and Hove's most congested areas.
City council staff will consult with residents living in Hanover and Elm Grove, the London Road station area, Preston Park, West Hove and Portslade station over the next two years, asking them whether they would like residents' parking in their streets.
Consultations began in the Preston Park station, Stanford and Preston Park Avenue areas in April last year after pressure from ward councillors and people living near the station. Controlled parking zones should be in place by March next year.
Next month, the council will consult people living in the London Road station area and work could be completed by April 2010.
In Hanover and Elm Grove, the consultation with residents will begin in April 2009, with controlled zones in place by April 2011.
Those living in West Hove and Portslade will be asked whether they want a residents' parking scheme in the area in early 2010. If it goes ahead, it would be implemented by April 2012.
Charles Field, senior traffic manager at the council, said: "We started the parking survey from April 2007 and over a period of two years we carry out consultation work.
"These four areas are where we have had the most correspondence from residents where they want us to look at the parking problems.
"We get residents or councillors writing in or there may be areas where we know there are parking problems."
He said residents living on the boundaries of controlled parking zones faced major problems with congestion as motorists park outside the residents' parking areas.
He said: "There was huge demand for these four areas to be first. West Hove and Portslade residents said they did not want to wait past 2010."
At a meeting in January, councillors decided to employ consultants so that two major areas could be tackled at the same time. They are expected to be in place by August.
For stories about traffic in your area visit theargus.co.uk/news
1:26pm Thursday 20th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Dave, Hove on 1:32pm Thu 20 Mar 08
We've had it Hove for years now, so it was only a matter of time before it spread throughout the city....and beyond!
We've had it Hove for years now, so it was only a matter of time before it spread throughout the city....and beyond!
Posted by: Mark, Lewes on 1:59pm Thu 20 Mar 08
It will be a shame if it spreads to Hanover as I regularly use this for free parking. I'll stop shopping in Brighton if this comes in. From leaving my house in Lewes to standing in Habitat in Churchill Square is quicker and cheaper driving, parking in Hanover and walking than it is getting the bus. Not to mention much more pleasant.
What are the options otherwise? An agonisingly slow bus journey or a ridiculously expensive train ride.
The other day I turned up Elm Grove as a number 25 went ahead of me. I parked, walked down Southover Street and was at the Pavilion before the bus had got past St Peters. Don't fancy doing that every weekend any more than I fancy paying ridiculous prices for parking.
Still...at least our football team still has a chance of promotion this season.
It will be a shame if it spreads to Hanover as I regularly use this for free parking. I'll stop shopping in Brighton if this comes in. From leaving my house in Lewes to standing in Habitat in Churchill Square is quicker and cheaper driving, parking in Hanover and walking than it is getting the bus. Not to mention much more pleasant.
What are the options otherwise? An agonisingly slow bus journey or a ridiculously expensive train ride.
The other day I turned up Elm Grove as a number 25 went ahead of me. I parked, walked down Southover Street and was at the Pavilion before the bus had got past St Peters. Don't fancy doing that every weekend any more than I fancy paying ridiculous prices for parking.
Still...at least our football team still has a chance of promotion this season.
Posted by: Flo, Hanover on 2:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Make sure this doesn't happen. I have lived in an area with parking schemes before and they don't seem to work very well. For example if a road has enough parking for 50 cars the council will sell 75 or more permits. Also if you have family or friends coming to stay they will have to park miles away from where you live. I know it can be a bit of a pain in the arse with the AMEX people parking their cars in the empty spaces but they are usually gone by 6 and there are plenty of spaces. These schemes don't solve problems just keep them the same and make money from the council. You have been warned. If you dont eleive me then just ask someone who lives in one of these areas.
Make sure this doesn't happen. I have lived in an area with parking schemes before and they don't seem to work very well. For example if a road has enough parking for 50 cars the council will sell 75 or more permits. Also if you have family or friends coming to stay they will have to park miles away from where you live. I know it can be a bit of a pain in the arse with the AMEX people parking their cars in the empty spaces but they are usually gone by 6 and there are plenty of spaces. These schemes don't solve problems just keep them the same and make money from the council. You have been warned. If you dont eleive me then just ask someone who lives in one of these areas.
Posted by: David, Hove on 2:56pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Great as soon as they gey EVERYONE paying to park outside there own homes then they can start to introduce a [bold]Premium parking pass for even more money[/bold]
Great as soon as they gey EVERYONE paying to park outside there own homes then they can start to introduce a
Premium parking pass for even more money Posted by: aa, Patcham on 3:12pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Just another excuse to make some money...
The roads around Preston park station have already have some restrictions to deter commuters - no parking between 12pm and 1pm.
The rest of the Preston Park area is hardly jammed - most of the residents have driveways so will not be affected.
So what are commuters actually supposed to do?
No bus services from where I live to the station. I pay a fortune in road tax and council tax so why can I not park a car in the streets?
So I'll have to move and another Londoner will replace a Brightonian
Just another excuse to make some money...
The roads around Preston park station have already have some restrictions to deter commuters - no parking between 12pm and 1pm.
The rest of the Preston Park area is hardly jammed - most of the residents have driveways so will not be affected.
So what are commuters actually supposed to do?
No bus services from where I live to the station. I pay a fortune in road tax and council tax so why can I not park a car in the streets?
So I'll have to move and another Londoner will replace a Brightonian
Posted by: emma, Hanover on 3:29pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[bold]Mark in Lewes[/bold] - You are an example of the exact reason there needs to be permits in the Hanover area. I live in Hanover and when i try to park near my house, I spend what feels like forever trying to find a space. More often than not I am parked at least 5 roads away from where I live. Of course in an ideal world I would love to park for free outside my own home.
Mark in Lewes - You are an example of the exact reason there needs to be permits in the Hanover area. I live in Hanover and when i try to park near my house, I spend what feels like forever trying to find a space. More often than not I am parked at least 5 roads away from where I live. Of course in an ideal world I would love to park for free outside my own home.
Posted by: Richard, Brighton on 3:33pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]aa[/bold] wrote:
Just another excuse to make some money... The roads around Preston park station have already have some restrictions to deter commuters - no parking between 12pm and 1pm. The rest of the Preston Park area is hardly jammed - most of the residents have driveways so will not be affected. So what are commuters actually supposed to do? No bus services from where I live to the station. I pay a fortune in road tax and council tax so why can I not park a car in the streets? So I\'ll have to move and another Londoner will replace a Brightonian [/quote] This is unbelievable. Another Money making scheme surely???!!! I park at Hanover each day as I work in Central brighton. First they did Queens Park, that I could understand because it was a bit crazy, but to move it further, absolute nuts. I pay all my taxes and quite frankly these extra costs make me sick. Please residents of Hanover, don't give in to this, the council will rip you off like they always do!!
aa wrote:
Just another excuse to make some money... The roads around Preston park station have already have some restrictions to deter commuters - no parking between 12pm and 1pm. The rest of the Preston Park area is hardly jammed - most of the residents have driveways so will not be affected. So what are commuters actually supposed to do? No bus services from where I live to the station. I pay a fortune in road tax and council tax so why can I not park a car in the streets? So I\'ll have to move and another Londoner will replace a Brightonian
This is unbelievable. Another Money making scheme surely???!!! I park at Hanover each day as I work in Central brighton. First they did Queens Park, that I could understand because it was a bit crazy, but to move it further, absolute nuts. I pay all my taxes and quite frankly these extra costs make me sick. Please residents of Hanover, don't give in to this, the council will rip you off like they always do!!
Posted by: TJW on 3:42pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Another Day - Another Tax.
Another Day - Another Tax.
Posted by: Katie, Brighton on 3:44pm Thu 20 Mar 08
As our council tax goes up again I ask what are we paying for, we pay enough in Brighton for everything yet the wages are shockingly bad if the council now expects us to pay to park as well we need better wages. I live in Hanover No to residents parking! I don't think it will help it is just pure greed on the councils part![bold]bold[/bold]
As our council tax goes up again I ask what are we paying for, we pay enough in Brighton for everything yet the wages are shockingly bad if the council now expects us to pay to park as well we need better wages. I live in Hanover No to residents parking! I don't think it will help it is just pure greed on the councils part!
Posted by: Wilftop, Hanover on 3:45pm Thu 20 Mar 08
About time too!!
I can't wiat for this to happen in Hanover it may mean I can park down my own road & my motorbike stops being hit! grr.
My neighbours & I can't wait for it to be introduced.
About time too!!
I can't wiat for this to happen in Hanover it may mean I can park down my own road & my motorbike stops being hit! grr.
My neighbours & I can't wait for it to be introduced.
Posted by: dave, Hanover on 3:50pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Hanover has got worse since the Kemptown zones were extended.
It just means that the problem will be shifted a few streets along
Oh and the additional revenue for the council
Hanover has got worse since the Kemptown zones were extended.
It just means that the problem will be shifted a few streets along
Oh and the additional revenue for the council
Posted by: Han Solo, Hanover on 3:55pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]dave[/bold] wrote:
Hanover has got worse since the Kemptown zones were extended. It just means that the problem will be shifted a few streets along Oh and the additional revenue for the council [/quote] True enough Dave, there is always displacement following a scheme coming in but it has got to breaking point in Hanover now. And of course it raises revenue - the enforcement companies are business's - not charities and therefore require payment for their work. Not rocket science really.....
dave wrote:
Hanover has got worse since the Kemptown zones were extended. It just means that the problem will be shifted a few streets along Oh and the additional revenue for the council
True enough Dave, there is always displacement following a scheme coming in but it has got to breaking point in Hanover now. And of course it raises revenue - the enforcement companies are business's - not charities and therefore require payment for their work. Not rocket science really.....
Posted by: dave, brighton on 4:06pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Han Solo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]dave[/bold] wrote: Hanover has got worse since the Kemptown zones were extended. It just means that the problem will be shifted a few streets along Oh and the additional revenue for the council [/quote] True enough Dave, there is always displacement following a scheme coming in but it has got to breaking point in Hanover now. And of course it raises revenue - the enforcement companies are business's - not charities and therefore require payment for their work. Not rocket science really.....[/quote] If the revenue just paid for the scheme then fair enough but where are any profits going to go?
Investment in the transport system?
Investment in the community?
I doubt it..
more likely to help pay off the council pension deficit or overspend on useless projects
oh and some nice profit for the enforcement company's shareholders.
Han Solo wrote:
dave wrote: Hanover has got worse since the Kemptown zones were extended. It just means that the problem will be shifted a few streets along Oh and the additional revenue for the council
True enough Dave, there is always displacement following a scheme coming in but it has got to breaking point in Hanover now. And of course it raises revenue - the enforcement companies are business's - not charities and therefore require payment for their work. Not rocket science really.....
If the revenue just paid for the scheme then fair enough but where are any profits going to go?
Investment in the transport system?
Investment in the community?
I doubt it..
more likely to help pay off the council pension deficit or overspend on useless projects
oh and some nice profit for the enforcement company's shareholders.
Posted by: ah, brighton on 4:12pm Thu 20 Mar 08
£8 Congestion charge next...
from A27 onwards
I never liked those out of towners
£8 Congestion charge next...
from A27 onwards
I never liked those out of towners
Posted by: Pete King, Brighton on 4:21pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Parking restrictions is not the way forward. We live in an age where we should do all we can to reduce pollution and take alternative means of transport, introducing more parking restrictions as a solution does not work.
l live in 7 dials, Brighton and I find myself being forced to drive to work because I simply can not find a parking space where I can leave my vehicle for the day. There is over a year waiting list for permits and when/if you do get one there are such few spaces you can’t guarantee you will get one.
How can we use alternative public transport or cycle to work if you can’t park you vehicle for the day?
Parking restrictions is not the way forward. We live in an age where we should do all we can to reduce pollution and take alternative means of transport, introducing more parking restrictions as a solution does not work.
l live in 7 dials, Brighton and I find myself being forced to drive to work because I simply can not find a parking space where I can leave my vehicle for the day. There is over a year waiting list for permits and when/if you do get one there are such few spaces you can’t guarantee you will get one.
How can we use alternative public transport or cycle to work if you can’t park you vehicle for the day?
Posted by: Alfie, hove on 4:30pm Thu 20 Mar 08
It's becoming almost impossible to afford to live in this country.
It's becoming almost impossible to afford to live in this country.
Posted by: Badger, Preston Park on 4:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
First they defaced our neighbourhood with continuous street long lines of wheelie bins and now they're going to add fine pouncing dayglo clad wardens. Great atmosphere, NOT. I'm looking forward to the ubiquitous bare girder balconies that are all the rage hanging over our abode after the next taste free development gets it's approval.
First they defaced our neighbourhood with continuous street long lines of wheelie bins and now they're going to add fine pouncing dayglo clad wardens. Great atmosphere, NOT. I'm looking forward to the ubiquitous bare girder balconies that are all the rage hanging over our abode after the next taste free development gets it's approval.
Posted by: Green Giant, brighton on 4:51pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Yet again the Council has come up with another money making machine! It seems to me that before long Brighton and Hove City Council will make us buy and pay for Residents' Permits to LIVE in Brighton. How many more things do we need to pay for on top of everything else including sky high Council Tax. Also where is the rule that says that just because we own a car we have the right to park outside our home. With all the multiple occupation properties in the town do the neighbours have to fight for the one space outside the house? I regularly have to park a distance away from where I live but I don't mind walking a few streets home - it's preferable to paying yet another stealth tax to the Council
Yet again the Council has come up with another money making machine! It seems to me that before long Brighton and Hove City Council will make us buy and pay for Residents' Permits to LIVE in Brighton. How many more things do we need to pay for on top of everything else including sky high Council Tax. Also where is the rule that says that just because we own a car we have the right to park outside our home. With all the multiple occupation properties in the town do the neighbours have to fight for the one space outside the house? I regularly have to park a distance away from where I live but I don't mind walking a few streets home - it's preferable to paying yet another stealth tax to the Council
Posted by: Tim, Hanover on 4:58pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I have lived in areas with schemes like this before and they rarely work. I had to park further away from my home after such a scheme was introduced than before. Just like Hanover now, the most congested time is in the evening so commuter habits are irrelevant for most residents.
If you get the chance, vote against.
I have lived in areas with schemes like this before and they rarely work. I had to park further away from my home after such a scheme was introduced than before. Just like Hanover now, the most congested time is in the evening so commuter habits are irrelevant for most residents.
If you get the chance, vote against.
Posted by: Jules, Brighton on 5:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]aa[/bold] wrote:
Just another excuse to make some money... The roads around Preston park station have already have some restrictions to deter commuters - no parking between 12pm and 1pm. The rest of the Preston Park area is hardly jammed - most of the residents have driveways so will not be affected. So what are commuters actually supposed to do? No bus services from where I live to the station. I pay a fortune in road tax and council tax so why can I not park a car in the streets? So I'll have to move and another Londoner will replace a Brightonian [/quote] AA
Obviously you don't live anywhere near Preston Park or you're a commuter. Round Robertson/Hampstead/
Scarborough etc. there are no driveways, hundreds of houses, and hundreds of commuters coming and parking every day from 5am onwards, leaving nowhere for residents. How would you like to park half a mile from your house every day?
aa wrote:
Just another excuse to make some money... The roads around Preston park station have already have some restrictions to deter commuters - no parking between 12pm and 1pm. The rest of the Preston Park area is hardly jammed - most of the residents have driveways so will not be affected. So what are commuters actually supposed to do? No bus services from where I live to the station. I pay a fortune in road tax and council tax so why can I not park a car in the streets? So I'll have to move and another Londoner will replace a Brightonian
AA
Obviously you don't live anywhere near Preston Park or you're a commuter. Round Robertson/Hampstead/
Scarborough etc. there are no driveways, hundreds of houses, and hundreds of commuters coming and parking every day from 5am onwards, leaving nowhere for residents. How would you like to park half a mile from your house every day?
Posted by: Wilftop, Hanover on 5:09pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Tim,
I would have to disagree, They do work where I have lived previously. The most congested time in my area of Hanover is all the time including weekends through parking by workers, workmen, pub-goers (not drinking I hope) students from the local halls & weekend shoppers. I have a motorbike and it is incredibly difficult for me to park most nights, to the point where on a more frequent basis cars are parked right up against my bike & it has been hit twice in the last 4 weeks alone.
One road up there was a man living in his camper van outside my friends home!
Tim,
I would have to disagree, They do work where I have lived previously. The most congested time in my area of Hanover is all the time including weekends through parking by workers, workmen, pub-goers (not drinking I hope) students from the local halls & weekend shoppers. I have a motorbike and it is incredibly difficult for me to park most nights, to the point where on a more frequent basis cars are parked right up against my bike & it has been hit twice in the last 4 weeks alone.
One road up there was a man living in his camper van outside my friends home!
Posted by: wheeze, Hove on 5:22pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I live in the poets corner area of Hove. We have had a residents scheme in place for a while now. It works.
Prior to the scheme i would always have to leave work a little early in the off chance that i may get a space within a mile of my home before everyone else gets back. Most evenings my journey time was less than the time i spent circling the area looking for a space with other competing drivers doing exactly the same.
Now the residents scheme is in place i never have any problem parking right outside my house whatever the time of day. Its made my life a great deal easier and less stressful.
Yes it is another tax, but one that i'm happy to pay.
I live in the poets corner area of Hove. We have had a residents scheme in place for a while now. It works.
Prior to the scheme i would always have to leave work a little early in the off chance that i may get a space within a mile of my home before everyone else gets back. Most evenings my journey time was less than the time i spent circling the area looking for a space with other competing drivers doing exactly the same.
Now the residents scheme is in place i never have any problem parking right outside my house whatever the time of day. Its made my life a great deal easier and less stressful.
Yes it is another tax, but one that i'm happy to pay.
Posted by: kickboxer, hanover on 5:25pm Thu 20 Mar 08
The most green thing would be to stop having permit areas like those suggested. Surely they should be deterring people who live in town of owning cars, not make it easier for them to park. People who live in the suburbs that need cars could then find spaces to park.
The most green thing would be to stop having permit areas like those suggested. Surely they should be deterring people who live in town of owning cars, not make it easier for them to park. People who live in the suburbs that need cars could then find spaces to park.
Posted by: Al Green, Hove seafront on 6:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]emma[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mark in Lewes[/bold] - You are an example of the exact reason there needs to be permits in the Hanover area. I live in Hanover and when i try to park near my house, I spend what feels like forever trying to find a space. More often than not I am parked at least 5 roads away from where I live. Of course in an ideal world I would love to park for free outside my own home. [/quote] Get on your bike meusli muncher and stop burning fossil fuels whilst looking for your Guardian.
emma wrote:
Mark in Lewes - You are an example of the exact reason there needs to be permits in the Hanover area. I live in Hanover and when i try to park near my house, I spend what feels like forever trying to find a space. More often than not I am parked at least 5 roads away from where I live. Of course in an ideal world I would love to park for free outside my own home.
Get on your bike meusli muncher and stop burning fossil fuels whilst looking for your Guardian.
Posted by: steve, brighton on 8:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
So they are going to "consult" residents to see if they want residents parking outside their home - of course the answer will be yes - who wouldn't say no! Legalised theft of the roadspace outside your house so that only you can use it - only a fool would say no! People seem to think that they have some God given right to a car space outside their home - they don't - you own (or rent) the bit up to the pavement and that's it! Bring this in and you will have some happy residents for a while prepared to vote for you but after a year or two shops closing in the centre of the town because visitors will go somewhere more car friendly and offices thinking twice about basing themselves in Brighton because their staff can't get to work. This decision is being made at the start of a deep recession - in a year or two you will be paying visitors and office staff to come and park here through subsidised reduced council tax for new shops and offices. Enjoy your "spaces" while you can - but don't think its going to raise the value of your houses - those overpriced piles of rubble flint and pebbles from the beach built in the 1800's are going down and down whatever happens.
So they are going to "consult" residents to see if they want residents parking outside their home - of course the answer will be yes - who wouldn't say no! Legalised theft of the roadspace outside your house so that only you can use it - only a fool would say no! People seem to think that they have some God given right to a car space outside their home - they don't - you own (or rent) the bit up to the pavement and that's it! Bring this in and you will have some happy residents for a while prepared to vote for you but after a year or two shops closing in the centre of the town because visitors will go somewhere more car friendly and offices thinking twice about basing themselves in Brighton because their staff can't get to work. This decision is being made at the start of a deep recession - in a year or two you will be paying visitors and office staff to come and park here through subsidised reduced council tax for new shops and offices. Enjoy your "spaces" while you can - but don't think its going to raise the value of your houses - those overpriced piles of rubble flint and pebbles from the beach built in the 1800's are going down and down whatever happens.
Posted by: Are the residents inane in the membrane on 9:53pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Are the residents insane asking to ultimately pay to park out the front of their homes.
Are the residents insane asking to ultimately pay to park out the front of their homes.
Posted by: ?, b.ton on 11:02pm Thu 20 Mar 08
tax.tax.vat on parking=17.5% on every £1.00.we spend on parking.how many people know this?.more tax/tax.
tax.tax.vat on parking=17.5% on every £1.00.we spend on parking.how many people know this?.more tax/tax.
Posted by: hardworker, I don't eat meusli on 12:22am Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Al Green[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]emma[/bold] wrote: [bold]Mark in Lewes[/bold] - You are an example of the exact reason there needs to be permits in the Hanover area. I live in Hanover and when i try to park near my house, I spend what feels like forever trying to find a space. More often than not I am parked at least 5 roads away from where I live. Of course in an ideal world I would love to park for free outside my own home. [/quote] Get on your bike meusli muncher and stop burning fossil fuels whilst looking for your Guardian.[/quote] Try and think of something original per-lease!!
I've seen them put permit parking in areas where the people who live there can't afford cars, the result...deserted streets....and more cars pushed over my way. I agree i'm fed up with having to drive around at 1 am trying to park my car so it won't get a ticket, and would welcome permit parking
Al Green wrote:
emma wrote: Mark in Lewes - You are an example of the exact reason there needs to be permits in the Hanover area. I live in Hanover and when i try to park near my house, I spend what feels like forever trying to find a space. More often than not I am parked at least 5 roads away from where I live. Of course in an ideal world I would love to park for free outside my own home.
Get on your bike meusli muncher and stop burning fossil fuels whilst looking for your Guardian.
Try and think of something original per-lease!!
I've seen them put permit parking in areas where the people who live there can't afford cars, the result...deserted streets....and more cars pushed over my way. I agree i'm fed up with having to drive around at 1 am trying to park my car so it won't get a ticket, and would welcome permit parking
Posted by: alistair, brighton on 7:39am Fri 21 Mar 08
what a scam. another way for the council to take money of us while giving little in return.
what a scam. another way for the council to take money of us while giving little in return.
Posted by: I dont believe it ..., brighton on 9:31am Fri 21 Mar 08
I suspect its only those that are well off enough to buy the "privilege" of a parking space are for this. It seems ironic as I suspect they are the same hanover crowd that were complaining that people bought their way into the good schools, and screaming injustice , but are quite happy to inflict the same on their less well of neighbours...
I suspect its only those that are well off enough to buy the "privilege" of a parking space are for this. It seems ironic as I suspect they are the same hanover crowd that were complaining that people bought their way into the good schools, and screaming injustice , but are quite happy to inflict the same on their less well of neighbours...
Posted by: Monk, Worthing on 9:40am Fri 21 Mar 08
This is great work by the council and should be applauded.
We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23
Monk
This is great work by the council and should be applauded.
We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23
Monk
Posted by: Petrocelli on 9:47am Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Monk[/bold] wrote:
This is great work by the council and should be applauded. We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23 Monk[/quote] Absolutely right Monk. It's a nightmare cycling on the M23 as it is, with cars and lorries racing past you doing at least 70mph. A cycle lane is a must, as it is on the even more hazardous M25.
Monk wrote:
This is great work by the council and should be applauded. We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23 Monk
Absolutely right Monk. It's a nightmare cycling on the M23 as it is, with cars and lorries racing past you doing at least 70mph. A cycle lane is a must, as it is on the even more hazardous M25.
Posted by: Brian, Brighton on 9:50am Fri 21 Mar 08
This is stupid.
My wife and I dont have permits in Kemptown so we always park our cars in Hanover, whats more they are safer there from the thugs who damage our cars on the seafront. Both our cars are new 4x4's and if we kept them on the front they would be targetted for theft.
If the free parking goes from Hanover I dont know where we would put them.
This is stupid.
My wife and I dont have permits in Kemptown so we always park our cars in Hanover, whats more they are safer there from the thugs who damage our cars on the seafront. Both our cars are new 4x4's and if we kept them on the front they would be targetted for theft.
If the free parking goes from Hanover I dont know where we would put them.
Posted by: dodgy dave, on the lookout for a 4x4 on 9:52am Fri 21 Mar 08
Whereabouts in Hanover do you leave them Brian?
Whereabouts in Hanover do you leave them Brian?
Posted by: Mick, Kemptown on 9:58am Fri 21 Mar 08
I totally agree Brian.
I dont use my car very much and so keep it in Hanover for months at a time. Its free and its relatively safe.
I totally agree Brian.
I dont use my car very much and so keep it in Hanover for months at a time. Its free and its relatively safe.
Posted by: Andy B, Hanover on 10:18am Fri 21 Mar 08
Brian & Mick - you are joking (I hope).
Hanover has become a parking nightmare 24/7. Sooner this is done the better.
Real issue is to make sure the restrictions fit the needs of the area i.e. no good if you can't get a space at 6pm or at weekends.
Thanks to others for the earlier stereotypes - sorry but no museli etc. around here.
Brian & Mick - you are joking (I hope).
Hanover has become a parking nightmare 24/7. Sooner this is done the better.
Real issue is to make sure the restrictions fit the needs of the area i.e. no good if you can't get a space at 6pm or at weekends.
Thanks to others for the earlier stereotypes - sorry but no museli etc. around here.
Posted by: TRAFPOL, BRIGHTON on 11:26am Fri 21 Mar 08
So why no....
If you are a hanover resident then you get a resident parking permit which is displayed n the windscreen and is free to residents...if you are not a resident and just park there..then you have to pay..simple as that..
tp
So why no....
If you are a hanover resident then you get a resident parking permit which is displayed n the windscreen and is free to residents...if you are not a resident and just park there..then you have to pay..simple as that..
tp
Posted by: aa, brighton on 11:34am Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]TRAFPOL[/bold] wrote:
So why no.... If you are a hanover resident then you get a resident parking permit which is displayed n the windscreen and is free to residents...if you are not a resident and just park there..then you have to pay..simple as that.. tp[/quote] Not free though us it?
£80 a year
TRAFPOL wrote:
So why no.... If you are a hanover resident then you get a resident parking permit which is displayed n the windscreen and is free to residents...if you are not a resident and just park there..then you have to pay..simple as that.. tp
Not free though us it?
£80 a year
Posted by: Peter Hammond, Hanover on 2:03pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mark[/bold] wrote:
It will be a shame if it spreads to Hanover as I regularly use this for free parking. I\'ll stop shopping in Brighton if this comes in. From leaving my house in Lewes to standing in Habitat in Churchill Square is quicker and cheaper driving, parking in Hanover and walking than it is getting the bus. Not to mention much more pleasant. What are the options otherwise? An agonisingly slow bus journey or a ridiculously expensive train ride. The other day I turned up Elm Grove as a number 25 went ahead of me. I parked, walked down Southover Street and was at the Pavilion before the bus had got past St Peters. Don\'t fancy doing that every weekend any more than I fancy paying ridiculous prices for parking. Still...at least our football team still has a chance of promotion this season.[/quote] It's because of people like Mark that those of us who actually live in Hanover rarely get the chance to park anywhere near our homes. When I go to Lewes I pay to park, Mark should stop being selfish and do the same when he comes here. Peter, Hanover.
Mark wrote:
It will be a shame if it spreads to Hanover as I regularly use this for free parking. I\'ll stop shopping in Brighton if this comes in. From leaving my house in Lewes to standing in Habitat in Churchill Square is quicker and cheaper driving, parking in Hanover and walking than it is getting the bus. Not to mention much more pleasant. What are the options otherwise? An agonisingly slow bus journey or a ridiculously expensive train ride. The other day I turned up Elm Grove as a number 25 went ahead of me. I parked, walked down Southover Street and was at the Pavilion before the bus had got past St Peters. Don\'t fancy doing that every weekend any more than I fancy paying ridiculous prices for parking. Still...at least our football team still has a chance of promotion this season.
It's because of people like Mark that those of us who actually live in Hanover rarely get the chance to park anywhere near our homes. When I go to Lewes I pay to park, Mark should stop being selfish and do the same when he comes here. Peter, Hanover.
Posted by: Sarah, Prestonville on 3:03pm Fri 21 Mar 08
We have had residents parking in Prestonville for a couple of years now. Most local residents were against it before the scheme was introduced but it has in fact been incredibly popular. Although there are fewer places to park because the corners all have double yellow lines, the total number of places is still enough that there is always plenty of space. It's also much safer to walk around the area because the corners are clear of parked cars.
My street was full of second vehicles (mainly vans) which were parked for weeks or months without being moved. I don't use my car very often but coming back from the supermarket with 2 small children and not being able to park was really boring.
I sympathise with the people who want to park for free, but it's better to pay and be able to park than to spend so much time looking for a space. Vote yes, Hanover.
We have had residents parking in Prestonville for a couple of years now. Most local residents were against it before the scheme was introduced but it has in fact been incredibly popular. Although there are fewer places to park because the corners all have double yellow lines, the total number of places is still enough that there is always plenty of space. It's also much safer to walk around the area because the corners are clear of parked cars.
My street was full of second vehicles (mainly vans) which were parked for weeks or months without being moved. I don't use my car very often but coming back from the supermarket with 2 small children and not being able to park was really boring.
I sympathise with the people who want to park for free, but it's better to pay and be able to park than to spend so much time looking for a space. Vote yes, Hanover.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 4:20pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Brian[/bold] wrote:
This is stupid.
My wife and I dont have permits in Kemptown so we always park our cars in Hanover, whats more they are safer there from the thugs who damage our cars on the seafront. Both our cars are new 4x4's and if we kept them on the front they would be targetted for theft.
If the free parking goes from Hanover I dont know where we would put them.
[/quote] I find people that drive 4x4s usually have a inferiority complex and have a very selfish me, me, me, couldn't give a stuff about anyone else attitude.
Brian wrote:
This is stupid.
My wife and I dont have permits in Kemptown so we always park our cars in Hanover, whats more they are safer there from the thugs who damage our cars on the seafront. Both our cars are new 4x4's and if we kept them on the front they would be targetted for theft.
If the free parking goes from Hanover I dont know where we would put them.
I find people that drive 4x4s usually have a inferiority complex and have a very selfish me, me, me, couldn't give a stuff about anyone else attitude.
Posted by: Davey, brighton on 5:44pm Fri 21 Mar 08
unlike Kockboxer,a spotty teenager who thinks he is well'ard.
oh and incredibly he is stupid
unlike Kockboxer,a spotty teenager who thinks he is well'ard.
oh and incredibly he is stupid
Posted by: sheldon Charach, Hove on 10:42am Sat 22 Mar 08
If this was really about residents and congestion by all means introduce the scheme and DON'T charge for the permits. I still don't understand the reason for charging residents? I park at Preston Park which has gradually got worse and coincides with price increases for parking at Hove and Brighton stations. The majority of commuters who drive to stations have to drive not because the just want to and it is just short-sighted for the council charge residents and commuters who work in both London and Brighton high prices for parking. Why not introduce parking schemes. for example create smaller spaces to encourage people to drive smaller cars? Oh forgot they couldn't charge for this!!
If this was really about residents and congestion by all means introduce the scheme and DON'T charge for the permits. I still don't understand the reason for charging residents? I park at Preston Park which has gradually got worse and coincides with price increases for parking at Hove and Brighton stations. The majority of commuters who drive to stations have to drive not because the just want to and it is just short-sighted for the council charge residents and commuters who work in both London and Brighton high prices for parking. Why not introduce parking schemes. for example create smaller spaces to encourage people to drive smaller cars? Oh forgot they couldn't charge for this!!
Posted by: Kay, Brighton on 2:35pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Petrocelli[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Monk[/bold] wrote: This is great work by the council and should be applauded. We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23 Monk[/quote] Absolutely right Monk. It's a nightmare cycling on the M23 as it is, with cars and lorries racing past you doing at least 70mph. A cycle lane is a must, as it is on the even more hazardous M25.[/quote] Just realised this is a wind-up ! We all know cyclists are forbidden on motorways.
Petrocelli wrote:
Monk wrote: This is great work by the council and should be applauded. We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23 Monk
Absolutely right Monk. It's a nightmare cycling on the M23 as it is, with cars and lorries racing past you doing at least 70mph. A cycle lane is a must, as it is on the even more hazardous M25.
Just realised this is a wind-up ! We all know cyclists are forbidden on motorways.
Posted by: Lynne Reid, hove on 10:06am Mon 24 Mar 08
I live in West Hove and 99% of my neighbours want a residents parking zone for our area. We are the first available free parking area west of the city centre. Our lives are made horrific by aggressive commuters circling our streets for a possible space. At any one time there are about 5 abandoned cars/vans outside my house. Coming home from work (I use my car for oncall emergencies) with my daughter is a nightmare as I am often forced to park streets away from my home. I would love to park for free but will settle for paying for the priviledge.
I live in West Hove and 99% of my neighbours want a residents parking zone for our area. We are the first available free parking area west of the city centre. Our lives are made horrific by aggressive commuters circling our streets for a possible space. At any one time there are about 5 abandoned cars/vans outside my house. Coming home from work (I use my car for oncall emergencies) with my daughter is a nightmare as I am often forced to park streets away from my home. I would love to park for free but will settle for paying for the priviledge.
Posted by: HP, Hove on 12:06am Tue 25 Mar 08
I expect to pay to park when I visit Lewes or Worthing so why do visitors to Brighton/Hove expect to have free parking? I live in West Hove just outside a parking zone. Our streets are dangerously congested 24/7. I wish I had the option of buying a permit to park at £1.54 a week. Our streets are full of people not prepared to pay to keep their car in their road, not ours.
I expect to pay to park when I visit Lewes or Worthing so why do visitors to Brighton/Hove expect to have free parking? I live in West Hove just outside a parking zone. Our streets are dangerously congested 24/7. I wish I had the option of buying a permit to park at £1.54 a week. Our streets are full of people not prepared to pay to keep their car in their road, not ours.
Posted by: Jonny, Hanover on 10:56am Tue 25 Mar 08
I live in Hanover - do not believe the lies regarding it being harder to park in the day. It is harder to park at night and therefore I believe that the principal problem In Hanover is out-commuting rather than the opposite. The hardest time to park in the area? Sunday night. Why - all the residents are tucked up in bed before their early start on the A23. If the council does not RESEARCH the root cause of the problem, and INFORM the residents of the research during consultation, then the issue will not be resolved. I for one am against residents permits,but would prefer more taxes/benefits to encourage residents in central areas to DITCH their cars!
I live in Hanover - do not believe the lies regarding it being harder to park in the day. It is harder to park at night and therefore I believe that the principal problem In Hanover is out-commuting rather than the opposite. The hardest time to park in the area? Sunday night. Why - all the residents are tucked up in bed before their early start on the A23. If the council does not RESEARCH the root cause of the problem, and INFORM the residents of the research during consultation, then the issue will not be resolved. I for one am against residents permits,but would prefer more taxes/benefits to encourage residents in central areas to DITCH their cars!
Posted by: Alf, West Hove on 2:02pm Tue 25 Mar 08
The arguments about cost/tax on parking seem to me to be spurious - if you can afford to buy/insure/tax/run a car, then you can surely manage the cost of a permit too. I don't like the principle of paying to park near my home, but once the Council began to roll out resident's schemes it was inevitable that the pressures of displaced traffic/commuters/co
mmercial vehicles etc etc, all clammering for free parking, would result in a wider need for even more schemes. In our area we have an adjacent scheme and the traffic/parking has become intolerable as a result - I want a scheme introduced here so that the community can be restored to its former pleasant status. It's not all about being able to park outside your house, it's about being able to enjoy a community free of constant parking prowlers, increased traffic and long-stay/dumped vehicles. A small price to pay I think.
The arguments about cost/tax on parking seem to me to be spurious - if you can afford to buy/insure/tax/run a car, then you can surely manage the cost of a permit too. I don't like the principle of paying to park near my home, but once the Council began to roll out resident's schemes it was inevitable that the pressures of displaced traffic/commuters/co
mmercial vehicles etc etc, all clammering for free parking, would result in a wider need for even more schemes. In our area we have an adjacent scheme and the traffic/parking has become intolerable as a result - I want a scheme introduced here so that the community can be restored to its former pleasant status. It's not all about being able to park outside your house, it's about being able to enjoy a community free of constant parking prowlers, increased traffic and long-stay/dumped vehicles. A small price to pay I think.
Posted by: Chris, Hanover on 4:48pm Tue 25 Mar 08
1. People who are complaining about £80/year for a parking permit obviously don't have enough money to maintain their car - so maybe it shouldn't be on the road at all?
2. Why is the council wasting more money and time 'consulting' residents on whether they want a residents parking scheme? If the waste of space 'green' councillors had bothered to turn up to the various home zone meetings and the Hanover AGM meetings, they would know **** well what most of the residents want and have been crying out for for years!
BRING IN RESIDENTS PARKING IN HANOVER NOW!
1. People who are complaining about £80/year for a parking permit obviously don't have enough money to maintain their car - so maybe it shouldn't be on the road at all?
2. Why is the council wasting more money and time 'consulting' residents on whether they want a residents parking scheme? If the waste of space 'green' councillors had bothered to turn up to the various home zone meetings and the Hanover AGM meetings, they would know **** well what most of the residents want and have been crying out for for years!
BRING IN RESIDENTS PARKING IN HANOVER NOW!
Posted by: Petrocelli on 6:07pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kay[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Petrocelli[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Monk[/bold] wrote: This is great work by the council and should be applauded. We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23 Monk[/quote] Absolutely right Monk. It's a nightmare cycling on the M23 as it is, with cars and lorries racing past you doing at least 70mph. A cycle lane is a must, as it is on the even more hazardous M25.[/quote] Just realised this is a wind-up ! We all know cyclists are forbidden on motorways.[/quote] Took you long enough, Kay ;-)
Still, you were the only one who seemed to notice!
Kay wrote:
Petrocelli wrote: Monk wrote: This is great work by the council and should be applauded. We just need more cycle lanes now, especially on the M23 Monk
Absolutely right Monk. It's a nightmare cycling on the M23 as it is, with cars and lorries racing past you doing at least 70mph. A cycle lane is a must, as it is on the even more hazardous M25.
Just realised this is a wind-up ! We all know cyclists are forbidden on motorways.
Took you long enough, Kay ;-)
Still, you were the only one who seemed to notice!
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