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Asbo youth can be anonymous
A teenager who committed
numerous offences across the
city has been given an Asbo to
try to curb his out-of-control
behaviour.
The 15-year-old, from Hove, committed
15 counts of criminal
damage in the past 15 months and
police and Brighton and Hove City
Council were so concerned they
asked magistrates to impose strict
conditions on the youngster.
However, members of the public
- who the order is supposed to protect
- will be unable to identify the
teenager if he does break any of the
requirements because magistrates
imposed reporting restrictions banning
The Argus from publishing
anything which could lead to his
identification.
Although a reporter from The
Argus asked to be able to challenge
the order at Brighton and Hove
Magistrates' Court yesterday, the
magistrates were advised not to
hear it by the court's clerk, Catherine
Plank, who said she believed
The Argus had objected to the order
at a previous hearing.
Rejecting the application, magistrate
Dr Howard Carter said: "The
bench is satisfied that this decision
has previously been challenged and
if we were to revisit it today it would
be going against our colleagues'
decision and would be, in effect,
hearing a defence appeal."
The boy was given a two-year
Asbo, which prohibits him from
causing harassment, alarm or distress
to the public, remaining in any
place when asked to leave by a person
authorised to do so, or returning
or going to any place he is
barred from.
Simon Court, prosecuting on
behalf of the council, told the court
the boy had damaged vehicles and
houses, attacked a man and caused
damage to a police cell.
He said: "Clearly, despite the
court's interventions, this is a
young man who feels boundaries do
not apply to him."
The Asbo orders the boy not to be
in any public place between
10pm and 6am without one of
his parents or a council employee.
The order applies for six months. It
also prohibits him from damaging,
taking or interfering with property
belonging to others and from
having alcohol or being drunk in a
public place.
Josie Rankin, defending, said the
boy suffered from attention-deficit
hyperactivity disorder but had
recently started taking the correct
amount of medication.
She added it had been four
months since his last offence and
that he had changed his behaviour.
Ordering the Asbo, Dr Carter
said: "We hope not to see you again.
We have heard very positive things
about you today and we are pleased
to hear those comments that have
been made on your behalf."
The boy's mother was also given
a six-month parenting order.
Speaking after the case, Simon
Westrop, head of legal at The
Argus's parent company
Newsquest, said: "There's
absolutely no reason why the court
cannot accept representations in
relation to an order at any time."
Do you think Asbos are
working to stamp out
antisocial behaviour?
11:23am Friday 21st March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 4:05pm Fri 21 Mar 08
There is no such thing as ADHD it's called naughty brat syndrome and is cured by a whack with a large stick it always worked at my school.
There is no such thing as ADHD it's called naughty brat syndrome and is cured by a whack with a large stick it always worked at my school.
Posted by: Tobii, Brighton on 4:43pm Fri 21 Mar 08
The boy's mother was also given a six-month parenting order.
6 months is that all jeezzeee!!! shes had 15 years to control her "son" brings to mind once born always forgotten or my drink and drugs are beetter than controling my son
"GETA LIFE WOMAN!! In my day a swift kick uo the jacksea was enuff BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE ...OOPS child soldiers TUT BUT might teach em sum **** manners :)
The boy's mother was also given a six-month parenting order.
6 months is that all jeezzeee!!! shes had 15 years to control her "son" brings to mind once born always forgotten or my drink and drugs are beetter than controling my son
"GETA LIFE WOMAN!! In my day a swift kick uo the jacksea was enuff BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE ...OOPS child soldiers TUT BUT might teach em sum **** manners :)
Posted by: Stroller, Hove on 4:52pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Odds are he has a criminal future. He's not worth people giving him the time of day as he sets out upon a wasted life.
Odds are he has a criminal future. He's not worth people giving him the time of day as he sets out upon a wasted life.
Posted by: Woodingdean Geoff, Beyond the Warren Road on 5:00pm Fri 21 Mar 08
I beg of you Argus, go to a higher court or a Judge in chambers.
I beg of you Argus, go to a higher court or a Judge in chambers.
Posted by: Sue, brighton on 6:52pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Little sod should be locked up and both he and his 'mother' (I use that term loosly) should be sterilised to stop spawning little chav monsters with no regard for others.
When did criminals human rights become more important than those of decent people?
I think a large portion of society needs to be rounded up and shot!
Little sod should be locked up and both he and his 'mother' (I use that term loosly) should be sterilised to stop spawning little chav monsters with no regard for others.
When did criminals human rights become more important than those of decent people?
I think a large portion of society needs to be rounded up and shot!
Posted by: ADHD medication deserves a form of the Nobel Peace Prize, brighton on 7:29pm Fri 21 Mar 08
if B+Hcouncil were so concerned about the youths behaviour, shouldnt they of made a medical/social/educa
tional pysch referral earlier on instead of letting the youth spiral out of control to the extent he had ? PS Kickboxer i was a student of the ELITE
if B+Hcouncil were so concerned about the youths behaviour, shouldnt they of made a medical/social/educa
tional pysch referral earlier on instead of letting the youth spiral out of control to the extent he had ? PS Kickboxer i was a student of the ELITE
Posted by: JOHNBOY, brighton on 7:57pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Lets hope the little toe rag does not break into your home Mr Carter. Typical one parent family. How much is this one going to cost us in taxes over the next 20 yrs?
Lets hope the little toe rag does not break into your home Mr Carter. Typical one parent family. How much is this one going to cost us in taxes over the next 20 yrs?
Posted by: Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square on 8:33pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Brighton being what it is, I shouldn't be surprised if there will lots of youths going round claiming to be this notorious asbo.
Brighton being what it is, I shouldn't be surprised if there will lots of youths going round claiming to be this notorious asbo.
Posted by: Maj Farqhaur-Blyth of 3rd Foot and Mouth on 6:26am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]JOHNBOY[/bold] wrote:
Lets hope the little toe rag does not break into your home Mr Carter. Typical one parent family. How much is this one going to cost us in taxes over the next 20 yrs?[/quote] I hardly think identifying him is going to stop that happening.
Can you list the names of everybody identified by a court who recieved an ASBO in Brighton, and be able to identify them
JOHNBOY wrote:
Lets hope the little toe rag does not break into your home Mr Carter. Typical one parent family. How much is this one going to cost us in taxes over the next 20 yrs?
I hardly think identifying him is going to stop that happening.
Can you list the names of everybody identified by a court who recieved an ASBO in Brighton, and be able to identify them
Posted by: ann, Brighton on 12:38pm Sat 22 Mar 08
I have friends who are teachers and assistants and they all say they have never known a generation of children with so many
"conditions", ADHD etc., No doubt some are genuine cases, there always will be. But most are badly dragged up by parents who themselves have social problems and don't give a **** about others. Its just we have so many badly behaved children we don't know what to do with them and there is no longer any punishment.
I have friends who are teachers and assistants and they all say they have never known a generation of children with so many
"conditions", ADHD etc., No doubt some are genuine cases, there always will be. But most are badly dragged up by parents who themselves have social problems and don't give a **** about others. Its just we have so many badly behaved children we don't know what to do with them and there is no longer any punishment.
Posted by: JOHNBOY, brighton on 6:01pm Sat 22 Mar 08
It starts on a sat. night. They go nightclubing,and get so p*ssed they dont even know the name of geezer who laid them. 9mts later they get their council house and are set up for life. They have no husband, and little or no interest in the child.The kids spend most of the time on the streets, and when they get in trouble(as most do} along come the "do gooders" and say they have the "in" illness called A.D.H.D. The mothers have never got enough money, but always find enough for a packet of fags, and of course their bingo. And then its sat.night again! If they are very unlucky, it will once again turn into another yob, and future asbo. Oh! and more taxes for us to pay.
It starts on a sat. night. They go nightclubing,and get so p*ssed they dont even know the name of geezer who laid them. 9mts later they get their council house and are set up for life. They have no husband, and little or no interest in the child.The kids spend most of the time on the streets, and when they get in trouble(as most do} along come the "do gooders" and say they have the "in" illness called A.D.H.D. The mothers have never got enough money, but always find enough for a packet of fags, and of course their bingo. And then its sat.night again! If they are very unlucky, it will once again turn into another yob, and future asbo. Oh! and more taxes for us to pay.
Posted by: T.Ruth on 6:38pm Sat 22 Mar 08
All of Brightons crime problems could be solved in one go if a 20ft high fence was built around Whitehawk and Moulsecoomb, job done.
All of Brightons crime problems could be solved in one go if a 20ft high fence was built around Whitehawk and Moulsecoomb, job done.
Posted by: Vesper, Portslade on 7:43pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]T.Ruth[/bold] wrote:
All of Brightons crime problems could be solved in one go if a 20ft high fence was built around Whitehawk and Moulsecoomb, job done.[/quote] If you had that way what will happen to peoples who live in that area doesn't cause trouble. I bet you some people would wish move out of the area but can't. [bold]bold[/bold]
T.Ruth wrote:
All of Brightons crime problems could be solved in one go if a 20ft high fence was built around Whitehawk and Moulsecoomb, job done.
If you had that way what will happen to peoples who live in that area doesn't cause trouble. I bet you some people would wish move out of the area but can't.
Posted by: a mother, hove 059-428 on 10:16pm Sat 22 Mar 08
731-267You are all so wrong in assuming this boy is a yob. He should not have been given an
asbo. he has never stolen or hurt anybody. Asbos are given on heresay evidence and I thought anyone with half a brain knew not to believe the press.
He does not come from a single parent family on benefits and his mother is not
a bad mother as her other 2 children prove. ADHD is very real
only the ignorant assume it is made up.
This boy has done nothing wrong for 6 months so what is the point in giving him an asbo now he is behaving. Do not comment without knowing the true facts.
731-267You are all so wrong in assuming this boy is a yob. He should not have been given an
asbo. he has never stolen or hurt anybody. Asbos are given on heresay evidence and I thought anyone with half a brain knew not to believe the press.
He does not come from a single parent family on benefits and his mother is not
a bad mother as her other 2 children prove. ADHD is very real
only the ignorant assume it is made up.
This boy has done nothing wrong for 6 months so what is the point in giving him an asbo now he is behaving. Do not comment without knowing the true facts.
Posted by: John Rambo, Worthing on 9:45am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]a mother[/bold] wrote:
731-267You are all so wrong in assuming this boy is a yob. He should not have been given an
asbo. he has never stolen or hurt anybody. Asbos are given on heresay evidence and I thought anyone with half a brain knew not to believe the press.
He does not come from a single parent family on benefits and his mother is not
a bad mother as her other 2 children prove. ADHD is very real
only the ignorant assume it is made up.
This boy has done nothing wrong for 6 months so what is the point in giving him an asbo now he is behaving. Do not comment without knowing the true facts.[/quote] Wow he's done nothing wrong for 6 months! big deal, asbo's are not given on hearsay. There has to be a lot of hard evidence gathered such as cctv, police reports etc. Also it does not matter if this lad has not hurt anyone, anti-social behavior is a blight on this country. You are right though he should not have been given a asbo, bring back the stocks in the town center, let people throw rotten food at the little s**t for a day and see if he wants to continue to behave in his unruly fashion then. Or have him in a orange uniform with I'm an idiot on it picking up litter, removing graffiti etc. The only way to combat anti-social behavior is to ignore the bleeding heart (he's got ADHD) brigade and get tough with the little s**ts.
a mother wrote:
731-267You are all so wrong in assuming this boy is a yob. He should not have been given an
asbo. he has never stolen or hurt anybody. Asbos are given on heresay evidence and I thought anyone with half a brain knew not to believe the press.
He does not come from a single parent family on benefits and his mother is not
a bad mother as her other 2 children prove. ADHD is very real
only the ignorant assume it is made up.
This boy has done nothing wrong for 6 months so what is the point in giving him an asbo now he is behaving. Do not comment without knowing the true facts.
Wow he's done nothing wrong for 6 months! big deal, asbo's are not given on hearsay. There has to be a lot of hard evidence gathered such as cctv, police reports etc. Also it does not matter if this lad has not hurt anyone, anti-social behavior is a blight on this country. You are right though he should not have been given a asbo, bring back the stocks in the town center, let people throw rotten food at the little s**t for a day and see if he wants to continue to behave in his unruly fashion then. Or have him in a orange uniform with I'm an idiot on it picking up litter, removing graffiti etc. The only way to combat anti-social behavior is to ignore the bleeding heart (he's got ADHD) brigade and get tough with the little s**ts.
Posted by: shutyourmouths, btn on 10:35am Sun 23 Mar 08
you obviously dont know this boy or his mum you **** **** find something better 2 do in your sad little lives, ****!!![bold]bold[/bold]
you obviously dont know this boy or his mum you **** **** find something better 2 do in your sad little lives, ****!!!
Posted by: A Mother, Whitehawk Brighton on 10:59am Sun 23 Mar 08
I have .5 kids, and they all know their fathers. Yes i do have a council house,which, by the way is far to small for my famliy,and i cant afford to go to bingo.Some times my kids cause a little bit of troble when they are out,but its not their fault.All their mates have the latest nikes and addis gear and this causes my boys to get upset.If we were given enough money to give our kids decent clothes, and a holiday each year, i belive it would improve their behaviour when they are out playing.Because of lack of jobs, their fathers cannot help support their chrildren, so i feel i should be given enough money to give my kids the same things as their mates. Remenber that they are our future and should be given help not asbos.
I have .5 kids, and they all know their fathers. Yes i do have a council house,which, by the way is far to small for my famliy,and i cant afford to go to bingo.Some times my kids cause a little bit of troble when they are out,but its not their fault.All their mates have the latest nikes and addis gear and this causes my boys to get upset.If we were given enough money to give our kids decent clothes, and a holiday each year, i belive it would improve their behaviour when they are out playing.Because of lack of jobs, their fathers cannot help support their chrildren, so i feel i should be given enough money to give my kids the same things as their mates. Remenber that they are our future and should be given help not asbos.
Posted by: JOHNBOY, brighton on 11:05am Sun 23 Mar 08
Shutyourmouths, Judgeing by your language, you must be the farther.
Shutyourmouths, Judgeing by your language, you must be the farther.
Posted by: lboys mother, hove on 2:00pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I am this boys mother and have read all your comments. Iam not a single parent and you johnboy are a
narrow minded bigot who quite obviously has nothing better to do than insult other people you dont even know. Asbos are given
on hearsay evidence as
they are civil and not
criminal. The lies are
quite unbelievable and
very upsetting. Thank you to shutyourmouths
for your comment you
obviously have more intelligence than the
majority of people making comments.
I am this boys mother and have read all your comments. Iam not a single parent and you johnboy are a
narrow minded bigot who quite obviously has nothing better to do than insult other people you dont even know. Asbos are given
on hearsay evidence as
they are civil and not
criminal. The lies are
quite unbelievable and
very upsetting. Thank you to shutyourmouths
for your comment you
obviously have more intelligence than the
majority of people making comments.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 2:41pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]A Mother[/bold] wrote:
I have .5 kids, and they all know their fathers. Yes i do have a council house,which, by the way is far to small for my famliy,and i cant afford to go to bingo.Some times my kids cause a little bit of troble when they are out,but its not their fault.All their mates have the latest nikes and addis gear and this causes my boys to get upset.If we were given enough money to give our kids decent clothes, and a holiday each year, i belive it would improve their behaviour when they are out playing.Because of lack of jobs, their fathers cannot help support their chrildren, so i feel i should be given enough money to give my kids the same things as their mates. Remenber that they are our future and should be given help not asbos.[/quote] Typical lazy scrounger attitude, shouldn't have had 5 kids if you couldn't afford them. You are what's wrong with our society today, blame everyone else, you should be given LESS of our tax payers money not more. As for holidays I know of decent hard working people that haven't had a holiday in 5 years and their kids are well behaved. And as for your comment about there not being any jobs out there, RUBBISH I my self put adverts in the job center for staff to work for my firm but at the interviews (those that could be bothered to turn up)most are scruffy, quite often late to arrive, uneducated, rude and most of all unwilling to learn. The first question they often ask is how much am I going to get paid, followed by what are the working hours, nothing about the firm, other staff that work there etc. one interviewee actually told me he didn't want a job but had to attend the interview or have his benefit stopped, so much for no jobs available huh. On the last note I see it says FATHERS says it all really. When I was a kid I didn't have the latest stuff either but that didn't make me behave like a brat, it made me want to better myself so I could have the nice things in life (at 14 I had 2 jobs and still went to school like I was supposed to). This is why I now own a nice house and have loads of money and have a pathological hatred of whining, scrounging people with too many kids who can't be bothered to help themselves and expect everything handed to them on a plate.
A Mother wrote:
I have .5 kids, and they all know their fathers. Yes i do have a council house,which, by the way is far to small for my famliy,and i cant afford to go to bingo.Some times my kids cause a little bit of troble when they are out,but its not their fault.All their mates have the latest nikes and addis gear and this causes my boys to get upset.If we were given enough money to give our kids decent clothes, and a holiday each year, i belive it would improve their behaviour when they are out playing.Because of lack of jobs, their fathers cannot help support their chrildren, so i feel i should be given enough money to give my kids the same things as their mates. Remenber that they are our future and should be given help not asbos.
Typical lazy scrounger attitude, shouldn't have had 5 kids if you couldn't afford them. You are what's wrong with our society today, blame everyone else, you should be given LESS of our tax payers money not more. As for holidays I know of decent hard working people that haven't had a holiday in 5 years and their kids are well behaved. And as for your comment about there not being any jobs out there, RUBBISH I my self put adverts in the job center for staff to work for my firm but at the interviews (those that could be bothered to turn up)most are scruffy, quite often late to arrive, uneducated, rude and most of all unwilling to learn. The first question they often ask is how much am I going to get paid, followed by what are the working hours, nothing about the firm, other staff that work there etc. one interviewee actually told me he didn't want a job but had to attend the interview or have his benefit stopped, so much for no jobs available huh. On the last note I see it says FATHERS says it all really. When I was a kid I didn't have the latest stuff either but that didn't make me behave like a brat, it made me want to better myself so I could have the nice things in life (at 14 I had 2 jobs and still went to school like I was supposed to). This is why I now own a nice house and have loads of money and have a pathological hatred of whining, scrounging people with too many kids who can't be bothered to help themselves and expect everything handed to them on a plate.
Posted by: UNIMPRESSED, clean and sanitary on 2:53pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]A Mother[/bold] wrote:
I have .5 kids, and they all know their fathers. Yes i do have a council house,which, by the way is far to small for my famliy,and i cant afford to go to bingo.Some times my kids cause a little bit of troble when they are out,but its not their fault.All their mates have the latest nikes and addis gear and this causes my boys to get upset.If we were given enough money to give our kids decent clothes, and a holiday each year, i belive it would improve their behaviour when they are out playing.Because of lack of jobs, their fathers cannot help support their chrildren, so i feel i should be given enough money to give my kids the same things as their mates. Remenber that they are our future and should be given help not asbos.[/quote] There is a term for people like you,
That live in a hovel and would rather drink and smoke all your benefit than to wash and cloth your children.
"BINNER".
A Mother wrote:
I have .5 kids, and they all know their fathers. Yes i do have a council house,which, by the way is far to small for my famliy,and i cant afford to go to bingo.Some times my kids cause a little bit of troble when they are out,but its not their fault.All their mates have the latest nikes and addis gear and this causes my boys to get upset.If we were given enough money to give our kids decent clothes, and a holiday each year, i belive it would improve their behaviour when they are out playing.Because of lack of jobs, their fathers cannot help support their chrildren, so i feel i should be given enough money to give my kids the same things as their mates. Remenber that they are our future and should be given help not asbos.
There is a term for people like you,
That live in a hovel and would rather drink and smoke all your benefit than to wash and cloth your children.
"BINNER".
Posted by: Boys mother, hove on 3:37pm Sun 23 Mar 08
i agree with what you are saying but we are a normal family from Hove.My son attends school and has achieved A results in his mocks. He is not a yob.Like many teenagers he went through a bad spell but has now come through that. I do not object to Asbos I just feel that as he has behaved for 6 months now is the wrong time to give one to him. He should have had one when he was causing problems. An asbo now just gives him negative feedback. He will not re offend of that I am
certain. Justice is not always right.
i agree with what you are saying but we are a normal family from Hove.My son attends school and has achieved A results in his mocks. He is not a yob.Like many teenagers he went through a bad spell but has now come through that. I do not object to Asbos I just feel that as he has behaved for 6 months now is the wrong time to give one to him. He should have had one when he was causing problems. An asbo now just gives him negative feedback. He will not re offend of that I am
certain. Justice is not always right.
Posted by: Boys Aunt, Hove on 4:04pm Sun 23 Mar 08
I am the boys Aunt. And yes he has been in some trouble but he has turned a corner and I, along with the rest of our loving family, will be there to help him through. My sister has an older son who has never been in bother and holds down a well paid job supporting his soon to be wife. My sisters younger child has a reading age 2 years above their actual age (due in part to the fact that my sister reads to them every evening) and has had a star part in the latest school play ..... bad mother I don't think so. Its interesting to note that a good many of the negative comments, as well as being highly bigoted, have included a lot of swearing - what lovely people!
I am the boys Aunt. And yes he has been in some trouble but he has turned a corner and I, along with the rest of our loving family, will be there to help him through. My sister has an older son who has never been in bother and holds down a well paid job supporting his soon to be wife. My sisters younger child has a reading age 2 years above their actual age (due in part to the fact that my sister reads to them every evening) and has had a star part in the latest school play ..... bad mother I don't think so. Its interesting to note that a good many of the negative comments, as well as being highly bigoted, have included a lot of swearing - what lovely people!
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 4:26pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Boys mother[/bold] wrote:
i agree with what you are saying but we are a normal family from Hove.My son attends school and has achieved A results in his mocks. He is not a yob.Like many teenagers he went through a bad spell but has now come through that. I do not object to Asbos I just feel that as he has behaved for 6 months now is the wrong time to give one to him. He should have had one when he was causing problems. An asbo now just gives him negative feedback. He will not re offend of that I am
certain. Justice is not always right.[/quote] It's nice to see you can hold your head high and have a sensible conversation without attacking or being derogatory towards anyone, in doing this you have shown yourself to be better mannered than some of the people on this site (probably myself included) you have brought up a valid point, justice needs to be swift within four weeks max, not 6 months down the line when the person may have changed their ways for the better themselves, or forgotten what they were in trouble for in the first place.
Boys mother wrote:
i agree with what you are saying but we are a normal family from Hove.My son attends school and has achieved A results in his mocks. He is not a yob.Like many teenagers he went through a bad spell but has now come through that. I do not object to Asbos I just feel that as he has behaved for 6 months now is the wrong time to give one to him. He should have had one when he was causing problems. An asbo now just gives him negative feedback. He will not re offend of that I am
certain. Justice is not always right.
It's nice to see you can hold your head high and have a sensible conversation without attacking or being derogatory towards anyone, in doing this you have shown yourself to be better mannered than some of the people on this site (probably myself included) you have brought up a valid point, justice needs to be swift within four weeks max, not 6 months down the line when the person may have changed their ways for the better themselves, or forgotten what they were in trouble for in the first place.
Posted by: JOHNBOY, brighton on 7:16pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Hes a good boy really.15,yes 15 counts of "CRIMINAL" damage and "ATTACKED" a man. Hes some nice boy! Is his father some sort of wimp to allow this yob to behave like this? The same old story, its never my boy or hes just misunderstood. I say put the Mother in prison for a year or two, and then it might send a message to other parents who do not give a toss what their kids get up to. Better still, birch the brat.
Hes a good boy really.15,yes 15 counts of "CRIMINAL" damage and "ATTACKED" a man. Hes some nice boy! Is his father some sort of wimp to allow this yob to behave like this? The same old story, its never my boy or hes just misunderstood. I say put the Mother in prison for a year or two, and then it might send a message to other parents who do not give a toss what their kids get up to. Better still, birch the brat.
Posted by: boys mother, hove on 8:35pm Sun 23 Mar 08
To Johnboy/ Do you not
realise that violence breeds violence. You are still believing what the press write. I can promise you my son has never attacked
anyone and the fifteen counts of criminal damage is sheer fantasy. I hope if you have children that you didnt thrash them every time they did wrong because they just become immune to violence. It does not cure anything and if anything makes matters worse.
To kickboxer. Thank you for realising that I am not a stereotype. We also own our house and have
worked hard. If my son came for an interview you would employ him straight away. He is polite, well mannered and not
scruffy at all. He has turned his life around which has taken a lot of courage. I am not a scrounger and am doing an Open University course, or trying to,at the moment. You obviously are big enough to see
past the surface. It is appreciated.
To Johnboy/ Do you not
realise that violence breeds violence. You are still believing what the press write. I can promise you my son has never attacked
anyone and the fifteen counts of criminal damage is sheer fantasy. I hope if you have children that you didnt thrash them every time they did wrong because they just become immune to violence. It does not cure anything and if anything makes matters worse.
To kickboxer. Thank you for realising that I am not a stereotype. We also own our house and have
worked hard. If my son came for an interview you would employ him straight away. He is polite, well mannered and not
scruffy at all. He has turned his life around which has taken a lot of courage. I am not a scrounger and am doing an Open University course, or trying to,at the moment. You obviously are big enough to see
past the surface. It is appreciated.
Posted by: Kickboxer, Worthing on 8:44pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]boys mother[/bold] wrote:
To Johnboy/ Do you not
realise that violence breeds violence. You are still believing what the press write. I can promise you my son has never attacked
anyone and the fifteen counts of criminal damage is sheer fantasy. I hope if you have children that you didnt thrash them every time they did wrong because they just become immune to violence. It does not cure anything and if anything makes matters worse.
To kickboxer. Thank you for realising that I am not a stereotype. We also own our house and have
worked hard. If my son came for an interview you would employ him straight away. He is polite, well mannered and not
scruffy at all. He has turned his life around which has taken a lot of courage. I am not a scrounger and am doing an Open University course, or trying to,at the moment. You obviously are big enough to see
past the surface. It is appreciated.[/quote] No worries, best of luck for the future.
boys mother wrote:
To Johnboy/ Do you not
realise that violence breeds violence. You are still believing what the press write. I can promise you my son has never attacked
anyone and the fifteen counts of criminal damage is sheer fantasy. I hope if you have children that you didnt thrash them every time they did wrong because they just become immune to violence. It does not cure anything and if anything makes matters worse.
To kickboxer. Thank you for realising that I am not a stereotype. We also own our house and have
worked hard. If my son came for an interview you would employ him straight away. He is polite, well mannered and not
scruffy at all. He has turned his life around which has taken a lot of courage. I am not a scrounger and am doing an Open University course, or trying to,at the moment. You obviously are big enough to see
past the surface. It is appreciated.
No worries, best of luck for the future.
Posted by: jack, brighton on 7:59am Mon 24 Mar 08
How will we know who he is, if we see any anti social behaviour from him. Why didn't they send him to a young offenders unit, if they didn't want to follow the asbo route fully?
How will we know who he is, if we see any anti social behaviour from him. Why didn't they send him to a young offenders unit, if they didn't want to follow the asbo route fully?
Posted by: ASBO`s BROTHER, Brighton on 10:38am Tue 25 Mar 08
I am the un-named older brother and i wanted to post my views on the riddiculous comments that have been posted.
With regards to my mother who seems to have been labbled as a single mother who has no control... this is riddiculous for one she is not a single mother and for two i work in the City and have a very good and i have had a very good up-bringing.
To say that she is goes out every Saturday bight sleeps with rendom people, claims all benefits under the sun and cannot look after her children is absolutely discussing concidering you have never actualy met her. I suggest that before you tar everbody with the same brush i think you should get your facts right first.
I have had first hand experience of my brother growing up and obviously have been with him for the majority of his years and although some things times have been hard he actualy is a very caring run of the mill teenager.
Unfortunately he is a prime example of somebody who has got into the wrong crowd.
His results at school are very good (A`s) but it seems that this is never mentioned.
The long and short of it is that people should not listen to everything that is said and take everything as gospel without knowing all the details first.
He continues to do well and has had excellent reports from school and outside of this but again it seems he has been made a example of.
With regards to my mother, i have had a very good up-bringing and so hass my brother so to lable her as a typical single mother who does not care for her childrent and would rather spend her time drinking and going out is totaly riddiculous and un-true. In reality this behaviour is exactly the opposite of the truth, she devotes all her time to the children, does not drink or go out is happily married.
I appreciate the message from Kickboxer as it seems at least somebody has looked outside the box and seen things from both sides of the coin.
I am the un-named older brother and i wanted to post my views on the riddiculous comments that have been posted.
With regards to my mother who seems to have been labbled as a single mother who has no control... this is riddiculous for one she is not a single mother and for two i work in the City and have a very good and i have had a very good up-bringing.
To say that she is goes out every Saturday bight sleeps with rendom people, claims all benefits under the sun and cannot look after her children is absolutely discussing concidering you have never actualy met her. I suggest that before you tar everbody with the same brush i think you should get your facts right first.
I have had first hand experience of my brother growing up and obviously have been with him for the majority of his years and although some things times have been hard he actualy is a very caring run of the mill teenager.
Unfortunately he is a prime example of somebody who has got into the wrong crowd.
His results at school are very good (A`s) but it seems that this is never mentioned.
The long and short of it is that people should not listen to everything that is said and take everything as gospel without knowing all the details first.
He continues to do well and has had excellent reports from school and outside of this but again it seems he has been made a example of.
With regards to my mother, i have had a very good up-bringing and so hass my brother so to lable her as a typical single mother who does not care for her childrent and would rather spend her time drinking and going out is totaly riddiculous and un-true. In reality this behaviour is exactly the opposite of the truth, she devotes all her time to the children, does not drink or go out is happily married.
I appreciate the message from Kickboxer as it seems at least somebody has looked outside the box and seen things from both sides of the coin.
Posted by: Confused, brighton on 10:13am Wed 26 Mar 08
You are not doing that boy any favours by defending him. I dont care if hes bright enough to split the atom. HES STILL A YOB. Like most parents with a boy like that, you all think hes not that bad really, just a litte bit misunderstood. Tell that to the old people who are frightend to go out at night. Tell that to people who come home from work and have that lot screaming out side every night. Dont tell me your dear little son isent one of these, because you are not there. If you had been there he would not now be in trouble with the courts. If the Argus story is a lie, sue them, but i dont think you will. The only way forward is to make you parents responsible. Name them and shame them. You bought him into the world, you sort him out.And if you cant, then lock him up for a couple of years.
You are not doing that boy any favours by defending him. I dont care if hes bright enough to split the atom. HES STILL A YOB. Like most parents with a boy like that, you all think hes not that bad really, just a litte bit misunderstood. Tell that to the old people who are frightend to go out at night. Tell that to people who come home from work and have that lot screaming out side every night. Dont tell me your dear little son isent one of these, because you are not there. If you had been there he would not now be in trouble with the courts. If the Argus story is a lie, sue them, but i dont think you will. The only way forward is to make you parents responsible. Name them and shame them. You bought him into the world, you sort him out.And if you cant, then lock him up for a couple of years.
Posted by: boys mother, hove on 9:00pm Thu 27 Mar 08
To Confused
I think you are a murderer rapist or paedophile and your children if you have any dont know who there parents are.
Obviously this must be
true because you have read it. If its not true then maybe you know what it is like having lies printed about me and my son. Think about this before you go around writing your opinions about people you do not know and do not believe everything you read please. PS. I apoloise for being rude but I can think of
no other way to make people like you see that everything is not always as it seems.
Incidentally The Argus printed what the council said and I am going to sue the council for their lies and assumptions/
To Confused
I think you are a murderer rapist or paedophile and your children if you have any dont know who there parents are.
Obviously this must be
true because you have read it. If its not true then maybe you know what it is like having lies printed about me and my son. Think about this before you go around writing your opinions about people you do not know and do not believe everything you read please. PS. I apoloise for being rude but I can think of
no other way to make people like you see that everything is not always as it seems.
Incidentally The Argus printed what the council said and I am going to sue the council for their lies and assumptions/
Posted by: Confused, brighton on 1:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I await the result. But i dont think it will happen!
I await the result. But i dont think it will happen!
Posted by: Polly, Hereford on 3:13pm Wed 9 Apr 08
The problem as i see it is that badly behaved children are having children who, initially through primary socialisation, are learning this bad behaviour. a child will only know what it sees, hears and experiences. i think education of the parents is the answer, either way, the vicious circle needs breaking.
The problem as i see it is that badly behaved children are having children who, initially through primary socialisation, are learning this bad behaviour. a child will only know what it sees, hears and experiences. i think education of the parents is the answer, either way, the vicious circle needs breaking.
Posted by: ASBO`S BROTHER, brighton on 2:58pm Thu 10 Apr 08
I wanted to just say that the quotes from `Confused' above are quite interesting.
Mainly due to the fact that the person does not know my brother and it appears from first glance that you are taring him with the same brush as every other person.
I am not saying he is a Angel i am just saying that there are things that get printed that are completly un-true and i think that you need to think outside the box and just agree that some parts maybe true and other in-correct.
It seems that you have your views and maybe have had direct issues with the subject for whatever reason but until you have the facts i would suggest that unless you work for the Police or the Council etc it may be worth not giving your opinion as its totaly wrong.
A for my mother, i have turned out fine i have seen first hand how she brings up her family and i have seen nothing wrong to justify the accusations.
It appears then that you are the model citizen and due to the fact that your upbringing must be perfect and everybody else is on your side of the story then there is no real point in you continuing your debate as nobody except yourself will ever be able to voice your opinions.
Your comment on suing the council is a little off key as they are actualy going to be sued because the accusatuions they have put forward to do with my brother are made up of lies.
If you read all the stories that are printed in the press then you lead a very sad and lonely life. Which incidently according to history Elvis is alive and living in America, Charles Manson is a reformed inmate and a role model to others.
A London bus has been found on the moon and there is a boy who was born half Dolphin half child....
Get a life and get your facts right before you go thinking you no somebody when you have no idea.
Sorry for bsing a little bit harsh but the emails people have posted about my brother and my mother are obsurd.
Also i would like to add that my brother is also a alcoholic after drinking 8 cans fo stella and riding home on a bike. I used to be a licencee holder to a large pub and i think that the alchoholics in my pub could not even drink that amount in one go, let alone a teenager riding a bike !
So it does seem that stories could be bent or untrue as well as fact.
I wanted to just say that the quotes from `Confused' above are quite interesting.
Mainly due to the fact that the person does not know my brother and it appears from first glance that you are taring him with the same brush as every other person.
I am not saying he is a Angel i am just saying that there are things that get printed that are completly un-true and i think that you need to think outside the box and just agree that some parts maybe true and other in-correct.
It seems that you have your views and maybe have had direct issues with the subject for whatever reason but until you have the facts i would suggest that unless you work for the Police or the Council etc it may be worth not giving your opinion as its totaly wrong.
A for my mother, i have turned out fine i have seen first hand how she brings up her family and i have seen nothing wrong to justify the accusations.
It appears then that you are the model citizen and due to the fact that your upbringing must be perfect and everybody else is on your side of the story then there is no real point in you continuing your debate as nobody except yourself will ever be able to voice your opinions.
Your comment on suing the council is a little off key as they are actualy going to be sued because the accusatuions they have put forward to do with my brother are made up of lies.
If you read all the stories that are printed in the press then you lead a very sad and lonely life. Which incidently according to history Elvis is alive and living in America, Charles Manson is a reformed inmate and a role model to others.
A London bus has been found on the moon and there is a boy who was born half Dolphin half child....
Get a life and get your facts right before you go thinking you no somebody when you have no idea.
Sorry for bsing a little bit harsh but the emails people have posted about my brother and my mother are obsurd.
Also i would like to add that my brother is also a alcoholic after drinking 8 cans fo stella and riding home on a bike. I used to be a licencee holder to a large pub and i think that the alchoholics in my pub could not even drink that amount in one go, let alone a teenager riding a bike !
So it does seem that stories could be bent or untrue as well as fact.
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