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'Basil Fawlty' cafe owner banned our babies

11:53am Tuesday 1st April 2008

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A group of young mums have accused a businessman of being "ruder than Basil Fawlty" after he banned their crying babies from his cafe.

Francis Incorvaja told the women they were not welcome back after some of their tots began bawling as they were about to leave.

Mr Incorvaja defended his actions last night and said he was looking out for the rest of the customers at the Rotunda Cafe in Preston Park Brighton.

But first-time mum Natalie Heyman fumed: "I'm so angry - to refuse mothers in a family park is disgusting."

Natalie and her friends visited the cafe after taking part in a weekly mother and baby exercise class in the park.

The 32-year-old, of Westfield Crescent, Brighton, was with her four-month old daughter, Daisy.

She said the group of seven or eight mums had been in the cafe for about an hour and the babies had been good but as they were starting to leave some began to cry.

She said: "As we were leaving the owner said to us: Thank goodness you're leaving. You turn my customers away.' "I couldn't believe his attitude when he runs a cafe in a family park with changing facilities.

"He was ruder than Basil Fawlty. So I told him we'd be back next week and he said: No you won't, you can go to the other cafe. I won't let you in.'"

Basil Fawlty is the snobbish, miserly, xenophobic and sexually repressed paranoiac misanthrope played by John Cleese in cult 1970s sit com Fawlty Towers.

Basil is desperate to belong to a higher social class and sees the successful running of the Fawlty Towers hotel as a means of achieving this.

Yet his job forces him to be pleasant to people he despises or aspires to be above socially.

Mr Incorvaja, who has leased the cafe from the council for nine years, said one of the babies had been crying for about an hour, causing some of his regular customers to leave.

He said: "I didn't say anything to the group because I didn't want to embarrass them but I think they should have been fair to me too.

"As they were leaving I said thank goodness' in a jokey, but relieved, way and they started arguing with me.

"Eighty per cent of my business comes from families - the business would not survive without them - but I also rely on business from the offices around here, especially in winter, and I can't afford for my customers to be leaving.

"People were looking at me as if to say: Are you going to do something about it?' "I wouldn't have a business in a park if I didn't like children and usually I don't have any problems."

Do you sympathise with Mr Incorvaja or are the mums right to be offended? Leave your comments below.

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Paul, Worthing says...
12:23pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Sounds like six of one and half a dozen of the other. This sort of thing happens everywhere, all the time. How is it suddenly newsworthy?

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modelo1a, Brighton says...
12:28pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Not been in there since they served me a pssi-weak cup of coffee three years ago, and moaned when I asked for my money back. The area is full of mums with babies, so he loses out. The cafe in the middle of Preston park is much friendlier...

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Dave, Preston Park says...
12:29pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Good for him-sitting for an hour in a cafe-it's a business not a mothers meeting room. Prob all sat there with one cup of tea between them, chatting whilst their kids run riot.....

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homer, springfield says...
12:35pm Tue 1 Apr 08

this man is an idiot. if he carries on like this he will have no trade in the summer. of course kids make noise. get a grip. what does he expect? if i was this group of young mums i would find somewhere else to go that was child friendly. most reasonable people would have sympathy with mothers who have crying babies, so those that allegedly left because of the noise are no better than the owner. anyone who has had kids will understand what i mean.

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Peter, brighton says...
12:39pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Well done mate ,,having tried to have a relaxing coffee in the park ,,,l was sick and tired of listening to bored housewives prattling on about Trinny and Suzanna,,or some other boring load of ****,whilst Tabatha,Sunset,Lenti
l or Mingbean sat screaming ,mummy being totally oblivious to her sceeching child ,,,Good for you mate ,,,maybe now parents will realise its not all about them and their selfish needs .

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jen love, hove says...
12:43pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I as a mother of 2 hate when i go somewhere and their are babies crying. the shop owner has a right to keep his customers happy by asking them to leave.

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No, Way says...
1:12pm Tue 1 Apr 08

fed up of mums trying to blame others for their lack of parenting skills. why dont you take some responsibility for once and control your child???

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Tammy Lillette, Brighton says...
1:23pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Mr. Incorvaja should bar them for life for causing trouble and being abusive. Talk about a storm in a tea shop.

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Marty, Hove says...
1:43pm Tue 1 Apr 08

It is a shame that park cafes are now swamped with yummy mummies and faddy daddies. The Garden Cafe in St Ann's Wells Gardens is like a creche all day. The parents allow the kids to scream and run wild - I have seen a child cycling indoors. When you ask for some quiet the parents shrug their shoulders as if they have no power to enforce good behaviour. It is unbearble and I no longer eat there. Everyone should have consideration for others around them and be aware of the impact they and their children are having. Yes, it is difficult as kids are boisterous but the parents need to be firmer. Teach them manners.

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qweqwe, says...
1:51pm Tue 1 Apr 08

It's not about 'controlling your child' there were babies, and guess what - babies cry!... duh..
The man is obviously a basil faulty (but not funny)

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The Wombat, Zog says...
2:15pm Tue 1 Apr 08

The comment saying it's probably six-of-one etc. is likely to be the most accurate.

The guy is running a business and is quite within his rights, presumably, to have whom he wishes in his cafeteria. He must be the judge of whether his trade will increase or decrease following his actions.

The only surprise to me is that none of the mothers has mentioned human rights and Strasburg, the normal recourse for those who fail to get their own way these days.

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Muffin 2p, Brighton says...
2:24pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Too many people put up with listening to the constant racket because they're afraid of offending. Fair enough when the parent is trying to soothe the child and makes an effort to quieten them but personally I'm sick of putting up with most cafes these days being full of screaming children.

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jo, haywards heath says...
2:29pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I suspect the parents' attitudes have a little to do with the cafe owners decision. I doubt he gets cross with all crying babies but ultimately there are good parents and bad parents and he's probably right to try and alienate the bad ones in order to maintain a balanced customer base of families and lucrative office workers.

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Suz, Stoke-on-Trent says...
2:30pm Tue 1 Apr 08

From a woman's point of view, I have to say well done to the cafe owner! We don't all think babies are cute....

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Moon Pig, Brighton says...
2:33pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I wouldn't have stayed longer than 20 mins if a baby was screaming. We can all tolerate a bit, and I do think we ought to, but an hour is excessive. I would have been completely mortified if my child screamed for that long in public!
While we all appreciate that babies make noise I do think parents have some responsibility to make sure their kids aren't disturbing other people, even if they are babies. If they couldn't settle the baby they probably should have taken him or her home rather than staying there and continuing their coffee.. sometimes we have to do stuff like that because of kids, it's just the way of life.
As for the older kids, well, there's no excuse for parents not keeping them under control. That is their duty as a parent!!

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Dave, Hove says...
2:55pm Tue 1 Apr 08

What a selfish woman - surely after a while she might have some consideration for others who don't want to listen to her brat screaming for an hour. Okay all babies cry - of course, but that doesn't mean you should subject others to the racket for over an hour.

You chose to have the kid, you deal with it.
Too many parents these days shirking their responsilities.

No wonder this country's going to the dogs, kids gettin drunk and stabbing each other - Start when they're young and as you mean to go on.

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Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
2:59pm Tue 1 Apr 08

first-time mum Natalie Heyman fumed: "I'm so angry - to refuse mothers in a family park is disgusting."

Well Natalie Heyman - you obviously have no experience as a mother - and you obviously need others to tell you how these things work - you have no right to subject others to this noise pollution. Basic common manners and courtesy dictate this!

Wheeras of course i can subject others to my diatribe all day long cos i'm FFS, Queen of the Quote.

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mr punch, brighton seafront says...
3:15pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Throw em out, all of em! Bloody women and kids are a pain in the backside, all they ever do is scream and moan and then scram some more and then when this nice man tells em to bugger off they all scream and moan some more! Hit em on the head with a rolling pin, that's the way to do it!

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vicky pollard, in my council flat, innit? says...
3:17pm Tue 1 Apr 08

no but, yeah but, no but, yeah but. no. if this is what they call news these days, it's getting dire. get a thermos flask, it's cheaper so it saves your benefit cash for more important things, like cigarettes and lottery tickets.

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wheeze, hove says...
3:19pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I cant believe some of the comments here.

BABIES CRY AND CHILDREN ARE NOISY - its not rocket science for Christ sakes!

It has nothing to do with good or bad parenting. Kids are noisy. Always have been and always will be. If you don't like it, go somewhere without kids. Simple.

To Dave, FFS etc.. e - i assume you made no noise when you were kids and were perfectly well behaved all the time? Perhaps you could share some of your wisdom on how to make children be quiet and well behaved all the time?

If you don’t like it then stay at home sitting in your soiled pants in front of the computer all day making snidey comments on the forum to make yourself feel a little more worthwhile in your pathetic existence?
(oh...you already do, sorry)

These mothers should be applauded for actually taking their babies out to socialise with other children. It’s the mums who sit at home all day ignoring their children who are the bad parents.

As for the café owner….perhaps you should look for a job in a library?

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Richard, Brighton says...
3:23pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Dave wrote:
What a selfish woman - surely after a while she might have some consideration for others who don't want to listen to her brat screaming for an hour. Okay all babies cry - of course, but that doesn't mean you should subject others to the racket for over an hour. You chose to have the kid, you deal with it. Too many parents these days shirking their responsilities. No wonder this country's going to the dogs, kids gettin drunk and stabbing each other - Start when they're young and as you mean to go on.
I agree too, it's so selfish to other people there wanting a quiet cup of tea. It's just bad as people taking their babies on a plane. No actually that is worse, as there is no escape from it!! At least you can walk out of a cafe!! Can't these mothers take control of their kids???!!

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wheeze, hove says...
3:44pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Add Richard to the list of people who either

a. never cried as a baby

or

b. Had parents who had the superhuman ability to stop a baby from crying at a whim.

Quite incredible. Maybe you could share the secret of a silent baby with us? I'm sure the midwives at the Royal Sussex would love to know how you do it.

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helen Keller, lost again says...
3:46pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I was as quiet as a mouse when I was a child, occasionally I would read a waffle to myself.

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Bella, Brighton says...
3:51pm Tue 1 Apr 08

wheeze wrote:
I cant believe some of the comments here. BABIES CRY AND CHILDREN ARE NOISY - its not rocket science for Christ sakes! It has nothing to do with good or bad parenting. Kids are noisy. Always have been and always will be. If you don't like it, go somewhere without kids. Simple. To Dave, FFS etc.. e - i assume you made no noise when you were kids and were perfectly well behaved all the time? Perhaps you could share some of your wisdom on how to make children be quiet and well behaved all the time? If you don’t like it then stay at home sitting in your soiled pants in front of the computer all day making snidey comments on the forum to make yourself feel a little more worthwhile in your pathetic existence? (oh...you already do, sorry) These mothers should be applauded for actually taking their babies out to socialise with other children. It’s the mums who sit at home all day ignoring their children who are the bad parents. As for the café owner….perhaps you should look for a job in a library?
Oh dear - you're so easy to wind up - you're so busy getting on your high horse you didn't even bother to read FFS's comment in it's entirety.

IT'S SOMEONE ON A WIND-UP YOU SILLY PERSON.

Go Away. And take the noisy babies with you.

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mr punch, brighton seafront says...
3:52pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Wheez, you must be a woman because you're moaning all the time, that's two posts you've put up in quick succession and you're whinging in both of them. Maybe these mums should open their own cafe where kids can scream all they like and then see what it feels like.

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wheeze, hove says...
3:57pm Tue 1 Apr 08

@ mr punch

Wrong. I'm a bloke.

And how am i "moaning"?

Surely its all the miserable self-righteous child-haters who are moaning, no?

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T.Ruth, Worthing says...
4:03pm Tue 1 Apr 08

wheeze wrote:
@ mr punch Wrong. I\'m a bloke. And how am i \"moaning\"? Surely its all the miserable self-righteous child-haters who are moaning, no?
You still didn't bother to read the posts properly before dishing out your tuppence worth...

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wheeze, hove says...
4:10pm Tue 1 Apr 08

@ T.Ruth

what part of mr punch's post have i misread?

*confused*

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Old Ale Drinker, near the bar @ the Mitre says...
4:18pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I used to fake a good cry when I were a dustbin lid, that way my mum would come outside the pub top my bottle up with stout and say shutyer whinging and get that down yer neck, I'd soon doss off in the pram. couldn't do that nowadays some whinging doogooder be on to them social workers tellin em I should be on the white stuff. Anyway well done to that cafe owner bloody bitsa kids I wenter war for that lot and their stupid muvers.

Bring back the birch I say. It's that bludee Harold Wilsons fault. Bludee Commy.

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mr punch, brighton seafront says...
4:19pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Flat foot, hows about i come around brunswick square tonight with a six pack and me truncheon and we can make some babies and then gag the little sweeties and abandon them in preston park.
Easy wheezy!

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Kickboxer, worthing says...
4:20pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Flat Foot Soozie wrote:
first-time mum Natalie Heyman fumed: "I'm so angry - to refuse mothers in a family park is disgusting." Well Natalie Heyman - you obviously have no experience as a mother - and you obviously need others to tell you how these things work - you have no right to subject others to this noise pollution. Basic common manners and courtesy dictate this! Wheeras of course i can subject others to my diatribe all day long cos i'm FFS, Queen of the Quote.
well done, got your name on the internet again for no particular reason .

you should check the facts, just for a change, and perhaps if you were a mother in the same sitaution you'd have the same feelings. Nothing useful to post then, for a change, we'd rather you didn't bother.

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Vic, Ferring says...
4:24pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Good on you mums for sending in the paper. People are too quick to judge mothers and call us bad parents just because our baby is crying or not sitting down properly. If the cafe welcomes families, then the other customers should heedthe warning that children do cry and don't stop when asked!

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Kickboxer, Worthing says...
4:25pm Tue 1 Apr 08

the above post is by an imposter.

I agree with FFS actually.

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tracy, brighton says...
4:28pm Tue 1 Apr 08

It's about respect for other customers. no-one wants to sit in a cafe with babies crying and screaming. to be fair, There's no harm in just taking the baby outside while the baby calms down for a few minutes.

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Vic, Ferring says...
4:30pm Tue 1 Apr 08

An imposter ehh!!


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Mrs Doyle, West Sussex says...
4:36pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I think the cafe owner showed some real guts in saying something probably most of his customers wanted to say. When are all these not-so-yummy mummies going to realise that taking over every cafe and restaurant in Brighton & Hove, and making them into noisy, undisciplined creches is actually a form of anti-social behaviour? Makes you wonder why they don't all meet round each other's homes, instead of inflicting misery and irritation on everyone else...

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Jamba Juice, Briton says...
4:36pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Good on you cafe owning fellow! Whining kids and the snooty Brighton mum's will only put off the customers for your over-priced weak coffee. They are proberly all single mum's anyway.

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JJ, Worthing says...
4:42pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Too right, i'm with the cafe owner, constantly crying babies and over boisterous tots just get in your tits and ruin your relaxation.

Fine babies do cry but the examples of modern parenting i have seen amount to just letting then get on with it with **** all consideration for other people.

Modern middle class bohemian brightonian parenting - sort yourselves out you vacuous idiots!!

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johnny dross, Brighton says...
4:47pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Lets have some middle ground here - yes, it can be annoying when babies cry constantly, and yes sometimes there are parents who become oblivious to the sound of that crying. However, in this case, it seems as though it all got out of hand. If this guy has made a stand against this particular group of mums, fine, but it is only going to bite him on the backside as he and many other cafes around Brighton rely on these mums to prop up their businesses, so he risks isolating these customers. However, on a completely different note, I have to say the the decor and food at the Rotunda is pretty awful, so if he wants to attract more business a lock of paint and a more exciting menu than 'the builders breakfast' would be a start. If you want a decent breakfast, go ta Carats in Shorehan Harbour...

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johnny dross, Brighton says...
4:48pm Tue 1 Apr 08

...or even a lick of paint...

(Why cant the Argus give us an edit feature?)

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Brian Mann, Brighton says...
5:04pm Tue 1 Apr 08

I would ban all babies if it was me. Let them play with the traffic in Preston Drove.

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CT, At Home with 2 loud children says...
5:49pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Dave wrote:
What a selfish woman - surely after a while she might have some consideration for others who don't want to listen to her brat screaming for an hour. Okay all babies cry - of course, but that doesn't mean you should subject others to the racket for over an hour. You chose to have the kid, you deal with it. Too many parents these days shirking their responsilities. No wonder this country's going to the dogs, kids gettin drunk and stabbing each other - Start when they're young and as you mean to go on.
Oh dear. How OTT. Dave obviously doesn't have children - Always the people with strong opinons who have no idea of the reality of everyday life with a baby. Did you not cry as a baby? Are you an axe murderer?

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jojo, btn says...
5:52pm Tue 1 Apr 08

well done cafe owner!!its a cafe not a play group, go to mcdonalds parents thats what its for

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liz, brighton says...
5:54pm Tue 1 Apr 08

how wonderful, i wish starbucks would do the same, or at least take out the toys, nothing is worse then going in for a coffee, and you have babies everywhere,

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liz, brighton says...
5:55pm Tue 1 Apr 08

how wonderful, i wish starbucks would do the same, or at least take out the toys, nothing is worse then going in for a coffee, and you have babies everywhere,

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liz, brighton says...
5:56pm Tue 1 Apr 08

CT wrote:
Dave wrote:
What a selfish woman - surely after a while she might have some consideration for others who don\'t want to listen to her brat screaming for an hour. Okay all babies cry - of course, but that doesn\'t mean you should subject others to the racket for over an hour. You chose to have the kid, you deal with it. Too many parents these days shirking their responsilities. No wonder this country\'s going to the dogs, kids gettin drunk and stabbing each other - Start when they\'re young and as you mean to go on.
Oh dear. How OTT. Dave obviously doesn\'t have children - Always the people with strong opinons who have no idea of the reality of everyday life with a baby. Did you not cry as a baby? Are you an axe murderer?
we have had our children, and did not bring them up in starbucks thankyou

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Sue, Hove says...
6:12pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Mothers should be more respectful of other customers and not take all the seats in the cafe. They are rude and they are certainly lacking in parental responsibility. I wish other restaurants would take action over other selfish mothers.

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Isabella, Hove actually says...
6:48pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Look at the picture - If those babies are "running riot" then they must be the most advanced tots on the planet. They can't be any more than a couple of months old.
And if any mother lets her baby cry for an hour without stopping them or leaving of her own accord, I am yet to see one - Why do most posts believe the cafe owner who is clearly trying to wriggle out of a potentially damaging situation?

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Sarah, Brighton says...
7:17pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Read the article properly people! The babies only started to cry as they were leaving - surely not a problem to anyone in a family cafe?!? And slamming single mothers? Shouldn't you be reading The Daily Mail and not The Argus?!?

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Dave Young, Brighton says...
7:24pm Tue 1 Apr 08

To the single Mum 2nd from the left - give me a call sometime x

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Stu, Hove says...
7:27pm Tue 1 Apr 08

So thats where all those screaming babies come from that always seem to be on my flights whenever I try and take a nice peaceful trip anywhere! Good on you Mr Incorvaja!

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Jamba Juice, Briton says...
7:31pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Sarah wrote:
Read the article properly people! The babies only started to cry as they were leaving - surely not a problem to anyone in a family cafe?!? And slamming single mothers? Shouldn't you be reading The Daily Mail and not The Argus?!?
Read the article properly Sarah!

"Mr Incorvaja, who has leased the cafe from the council for nine years, said one of the babies had been crying for about an hour, causing some of his regular customers to leave."

Isabella - owner wriggling out? I think not - the owner is entirely within his rights to mutter about his customers as they leave, or indeed to refuse them entry. Frankly I think that coven should think themselves grateful that anywhere will serve them at all.

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Isabella, HoveI says...
7:36pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Dear Jizzy Juice,
I didn't realise "Briton" was Daily Mail country....

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A-Dam, Brighton says...
7:46pm Tue 1 Apr 08

The sort of mothers who impose their badly behaved brats on others are those that selfishly take the **** out of others that support them while they swan around on "Improving Working Lives" contracts and drain our taxes. Have some consideration you lot, take your kid round the corner and give it a slap!

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mum who visits cafes sometimes, Hove says...
9:01pm Tue 1 Apr 08

My little girl is 2 and always been delightfully behaved in cafes / restaurants / planes even when a tiny babe in arms. On the VERY rare occasions where she has become noisy or uncontrollable in a place such as a cafe or restaurant I have packed up and left and removed us from the situation. I don't believe its right to inflict badly behaved kids on the public who have a right to a peaceful pleasant meal or drink. I would say all of my friends would do the same. However I have seen some very selfish parents out and about including changing poopy nappies IN a cafe. As a former air stewardess I saw a lot of this bad behaviour on flights and I would say this type of lax parenting is definitely more common in middle class mums and dads. But don't be too hard on mums out with babies; my very meagre maternity pay when on leave from my job meant that one cappucino in a cafe was all I could afford for myself in a week. thats why its made to last an hour!! I don't blame the cafe owner though.

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Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
9:41pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Flat Foot Soozie wrote:
first-time mum Natalie Heyman fumed: "I'm so angry - to refuse mothers in a family park is disgusting."

Well Natalie Heyman - you obviously have no experience as a mother - and you obviously need others to tell you how these things work - you have no right to subject others to this noise pollution. Basic common manners and courtesy dictate this!

Wheeras of course i can subject others to my diatribe all day long cos i'm FFS, Queen of the Quote.
Not my comment, of course.

May the impostor's eyes cloud over.

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Jizzy Juice, Briton says...
9:56pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Isabella wrote:
Dear Jizzy Juice,
I didn't realise "Briton" was Daily Mail country....
Yes, it's just near HoveI.

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Alan G Skinner, Brighton says...
10:29pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Who cares, why is this in the papers... slow news day perhaps?
A more interesting article might include, why the NHS is so bad, why are terrorists and illegal immigrants are allowed to strole around unchecked and why has the government allowed parts of our country to become no go areas... etc etc.

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IKDRF, Sussex says...
10:38pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Basil Fawlty indeed,they need a **** good thrashing...why dont these mothers dine closer to the sea..preferably in it..i mean preston park cafe is hardly the hanging gardens of babylon is it...oh morning major....

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Kickboxer, worthing says...
11:44pm Tue 1 Apr 08

Flat Foot Soozie wrote:
Flat Foot Soozie wrote: first-time mum Natalie Heyman fumed: "I'm so angry - to refuse mothers in a family park is disgusting." Well Natalie Heyman - you obviously have no experience as a mother - and you obviously need others to tell you how these things work - you have no right to subject others to this noise pollution. Basic common manners and courtesy dictate this! Wheeras of course i can subject others to my diatribe all day long cos i'm FFS, Queen of the Quote.
Not my comment, of course. May the impostor's eyes cloud over.
never is, is it ?

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Preston Pk resident, Preston Park says...
11:50pm Tue 1 Apr 08

i hate screaming kids, and i hate mothers that dont care about them screaming even more

this is obviously a very sensible cafe owner

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Flat Foot Soozie, Brunswick Square says...
11:57pm Tue 1 Apr 08

hate screaming kids, and i hate mothers that dont care about them screaming even more

typically why Preston Park residents are treated as the 'red-necks' of Brighton. Now go marry yer sister, boy !

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S, Sussex says...
12:22am Wed 2 Apr 08

These mothers obviously don't think very much of their babies if they think the babies want to spend an hour plus in a not very nice café surrounded by bored mothers gossiping about inane drivel. And clearly they couldn't give two hoots about the café proprietor, the café staff and the café's other customers. Sounds like they're a selfish bunch and deserve their exclusion. But what I don't understand is why anyone wants to frequent The Rotunda anyway - the food is, IMHO, overpriced and the hot drinks are overpriced dishwater.

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FRED, worthing says...
8:04am Wed 2 Apr 08

Nasty little screaming br*ts.Give "em something to cry for.I have been in that park. Mostly single parents.Typical!

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Mr Harry, brighton says...
8:13am Wed 2 Apr 08

Quite right Fred.No father to control the kids,and without a dought, future asbos. If those sad mothers cant control their children at 3 or 4mts old,what chance have later in life without a father.

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Sarah, Brighton says...
8:16am Wed 2 Apr 08

Am horrified that so many bigots reside in our supposedly open city. It appears the babies starting crying as they were being packed up to leave and the mothers got it in the ear from a miserable old sod - single mothers, bad parents? WTF?

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Sarah, Brighton says...
8:19am Wed 2 Apr 08

Good point Mr Harry?!? Reckon the Dads should give up work and the whole family live on benefits so they can chaperone their babies for coffee trips to the park during the week. Idiot...