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Top travel guide criticises Brighton and Hove
Brighton has an ugly seafront, tacky pier and is packed full of wealthy Londoners, according to one of the world's most renowned travel guides.
The "dirty weekend" city is also noted for its large homeless population and monstrous-looking hotels, says the newly published Rough Guide to England.
But while the respected travel book lists the negative aspects of the city, it also remarks on Brighton's fabulous shopping, nightlife and Georgian charm.
The guide says: "Much of Brighton's seafront is an ugly mix of shops, entertainment complexes and hotels, ranging from the impressively pompous plasterwork of the Grand Hotel...to the green-glass monstrosity of the Brighton Thistle Hotel."
But Brighton and Hove city councillor David Smith, chairman of culture, recreation and tourism, disagreed with the travel book.
He said: "I can't see how the writers of the guide have come to that opinion. Brighton is a brilliant city.
"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.
"We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife.
"I have spoken to business leaders who say, when conferences are organised to be held in Brighton, twice as many people want to attend."
Mark Jones, chairman of Brighton and Hove Hotels Association and manager of Colson House in Upper Rock Gardens, Brighton, defended the city's accommodation.
He said: "We have a great city with a huge selection of top-class hotels.
"To call any one of them monstrous seems an odd choice of word.
"We have probably got the highest proportion of four-star hotels in the country."
However, the guidebook does lavish praise on Brighton's bohemian atmosphere, created by the city's gay community, students and holiday-makers.
It says: "Brighton now highlights its Georgian charm, its upmarket shops and classy restaurants, and a thriving conference industry."
The guide also lists the "exuberant Royal Pavilion", which it describes as one of Britain's best-loved building, and the city's numerous excellent cafes, restaurants and bars.
Praise is also heaped on the "remarkably good-lucking" Lewes, which boasts "some of Englandís most appealing chalkland" and "numerous traces of a history".
But other areas of Sussex are given mixed reviews.
Chichester is described as "attractive, if scruffy" and Hastings is a "part tacky, part pretty seaside resort" with "oddly neglected Regency architecture".
The Rough Guide to England is priced £15.99.
Do you agree with the Rough Guide?
12:12pm Friday 9th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Mary Hinge, Brighton on 12:32pm Fri 9 May 08
At last, the truth!
"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor.
Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom).
"We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife."
I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs.
And this guy is "head of culture"!!!!
At last, the truth!
"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor.
Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom).
"We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife."
I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs.
And this guy is "head of culture"!!!!
Posted by: mark, brighton" on 12:32pm Fri 9 May 08
the guide is pretty accurate , the seafront is a mess, drug dealers everywhere, homeless on every corner, chavs fighting, over priced hotels, fat birds on hen nights!! it is a dump!! but its a greta place when the sun shines, oh and david smith does not agree!! well he wouldnt would he?
the guide is pretty accurate , the seafront is a mess, drug dealers everywhere, homeless on every corner, chavs fighting, over priced hotels, fat birds on hen nights!! it is a dump!! but its a greta place when the sun shines, oh and david smith does not agree!! well he wouldnt would he?
Posted by: Yes on 12:38pm Fri 9 May 08
Brighton is a terrible place. It is over-hyped, full of pretentious twits and is far too expensive.
Brighton is a terrible place. It is over-hyped, full of pretentious twits and is far too expensive.
Posted by: S.T. Rewth, Brighton on 12:38pm Fri 9 May 08
"Brighton has an ugly seafront, tacky pier and is packed full of ..... Londoners," Sounds about right to me.
"Brighton has an ugly seafront, tacky pier and is packed full of ..... Londoners," Sounds about right to me.
Posted by: Mark, Hove on 12:40pm Fri 9 May 08
[bold]Can't agree more with this guide book. Although I love living in brighton. Everything it says is true. I suspect that the writers actually live here.
Barcelona. That is hilarious. Has this guy actually ever been to Barcelona??? I suspect not. Any chance we can have our town back please. We don't want to be a city any more.[/bold]
Can't agree more with this guide book. Although I love living in brighton. Everything it says is true. I suspect that the writers actually live here.
Barcelona. That is hilarious. Has this guy actually ever been to Barcelona??? I suspect not. Any chance we can have our town back please. We don't want to be a city any more. Posted by: Terry Walpole, Queens Park on 12:56pm Fri 9 May 08
[italic]"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.''[/italic]
If you say so david....security!!
"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.''
If you say so david....security!!
Posted by: Proud Brightonian, Brighton on 1:04pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Mary Hinge[/bold] wrote:
At last, the truth! "Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). "We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife." I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is "head of culture"!!!! [/quote] Do you even live here? Brighton is an amazing place to live and work. Yes it has its tacky areas, but doesn't every seaside town? Try venturing into the North Laine or the Lanes. There you'll find independent shops, cafes, restaurants, art galleries and all manner of entertainment. I think we are incredibly lucky to live in such a vibrant city. And in regards to your reply to David Smith's comments, comparing Brighton to Barcelona, it entirely depends on what type of culture you're after. Have you ever been to Brighton festival? Or perhaps the comedy festival? Have you been to one of the art galleries? Look away from the seafront and open your eyes to the brilliant and far-from-boring city that we live in.
There. Rant over.
Mary Hinge wrote:
At last, the truth! "Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). "We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife." I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is "head of culture"!!!!
Do you even live here? Brighton is an amazing place to live and work. Yes it has its tacky areas, but doesn't every seaside town? Try venturing into the North Laine or the Lanes. There you'll find independent shops, cafes, restaurants, art galleries and all manner of entertainment. I think we are incredibly lucky to live in such a vibrant city. And in regards to your reply to David Smith's comments, comparing Brighton to Barcelona, it entirely depends on what type of culture you're after. Have you ever been to Brighton festival? Or perhaps the comedy festival? Have you been to one of the art galleries? Look away from the seafront and open your eyes to the brilliant and far-from-boring city that we live in.
There. Rant over.
Posted by: wobblers, bobblers on 1:05pm Fri 9 May 08
Although much of the comments made by the Rough Guide are fair enough (difficult to argue that the pier is not tacky!) why is that every time anything negative is written about Brighton that loads of tossers jump on the bandwagon and start slagging the city off? It does have its issues, as do most place, but it's an amazing, vibrant place to live and I would not live anywhere else. If you don't like the city, don't live here. Simple as that.
Although much of the comments made by the Rough Guide are fair enough (difficult to argue that the pier is not tacky!) why is that every time anything negative is written about Brighton that loads of tossers jump on the bandwagon and start slagging the city off? It does have its issues, as do most place, but it's an amazing, vibrant place to live and I would not live anywhere else. If you don't like the city, don't live here. Simple as that.
Posted by: beelzebub, down below & rather warm on 1:07pm Fri 9 May 08
Proud Brightonian & wobblers - Spot on.
Proud Brightonian & wobblers - Spot on.
Posted by: Stroller, Hove on 1:29pm Fri 9 May 08
What is this councillor Smith on about? Brighton has good restaurants? I always tell visitors that most of them are best avoided.
What is this councillor Smith on about? Brighton has good restaurants? I always tell visitors that most of them are best avoided.
Posted by: Jill Aberdeen, Hull on 1:56pm Fri 9 May 08
We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn't notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!!
On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort
We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn't notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!!
On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort
Posted by: A Gaudi, City of Marvels on 2:14pm Fri 9 May 08
"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally".
LOL
"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally".
LOL
Posted by: shaun, brighton on 2:18pm Fri 9 May 08
Maybe the travel writers are trying to tell the city councillors that it's time they clean the city up and make it lovable again. I love Brighton and Hove, but being here for 7years now I have seen things change alot. Roads are in a bad state, property is very expensive, including rentals, and drug deales are moving in. I live in the so ''camptown'' and I loved it a few years ago, now I am thinking about moving to Eastbourne to get away from it all.
Maybe the travel writers are trying to tell the city councillors that it's time they clean the city up and make it lovable again. I love Brighton and Hove, but being here for 7years now I have seen things change alot. Roads are in a bad state, property is very expensive, including rentals, and drug deales are moving in. I live in the so ''camptown'' and I loved it a few years ago, now I am thinking about moving to Eastbourne to get away from it all.
Posted by: sm on 2:20pm Fri 9 May 08
[bold]Brighton has an ugly seafront, tacky pier and is packed full of wealthy Londoners,[/bold]
Bang on the money there!
except that after londoners, they've missed scum
Brighton has an ugly seafront, tacky pier and is packed full of wealthy Londoners,
Bang on the money there!
except that after londoners, they've missed scum
Posted by: Senor Willey, Barcelona on 2:20pm Fri 9 May 08
The last time I saw any culture in Brighton was in the yoghurt cabinet in Tesco's....
The last time I saw any culture in Brighton was in the yoghurt cabinet in Tesco's....
Posted by: Nick, Brighton on 2:31pm Fri 9 May 08
No question, the report is spot on...and no surprise that the council defends the ugly buildings on the seafront - after all it's their planning ineptitude that's allowed places like the Thistle and Brighton Centre to exist. Brighton is a brilliant place but it is flawed.
No question, the report is spot on...and no surprise that the council defends the ugly buildings on the seafront - after all it's their planning ineptitude that's allowed places like the Thistle and Brighton Centre to exist. Brighton is a brilliant place but it is flawed.
Posted by: jus, hove on 2:46pm Fri 9 May 08
it's all about the brighton club scene, much better vibes than london, better venues, nights, local dj's, arguably the best in the country for breaks and drum & bass... big.
it's all about the brighton club scene, much better vibes than london, better venues, nights, local dj's, arguably the best in the country for breaks and drum & bass... big.
Posted by: Mary Hinge, Brighton on 2:52pm Fri 9 May 08
Proud Brightonian
Er... yes, I do live here.
And I've been to Barcelona too, many times, so I know that to compare the two "culturally" is just laughable.
Have you been to Barcelona?
Proud Brightonian
Er... yes, I do live here.
And I've been to Barcelona too, many times, so I know that to compare the two "culturally" is just laughable.
Have you been to Barcelona?
Posted by: Norman, Brighton on 2:53pm Fri 9 May 08
It's pretty simple really...there are good bits and there are bad bits...like most other places in the world.
It's pretty simple really...there are good bits and there are bad bits...like most other places in the world.
Posted by: wobblers, bobblers on 2:54pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]shaun[/bold] wrote:
Maybe the travel writers are trying to tell the city councillors that it's time they clean the city up and make it lovable again. I love Brighton and Hove, but being here for 7years now I have seen things change alot. Roads are in a bad state, property is very expensive, including rentals, and drug deales are moving in. I live in the so ''camptown'' and I loved it a few years ago, now I am thinking about moving to Eastbourne to get away from it all. [/quote] You're having a laugh, aren't you? Have you been to Eastbourne recently. It's a boring dump. Wake up and smell the roses - you live in one of the best places to live around.
shaun wrote:
Maybe the travel writers are trying to tell the city councillors that it's time they clean the city up and make it lovable again. I love Brighton and Hove, but being here for 7years now I have seen things change alot. Roads are in a bad state, property is very expensive, including rentals, and drug deales are moving in. I live in the so ''camptown'' and I loved it a few years ago, now I am thinking about moving to Eastbourne to get away from it all.
You're having a laugh, aren't you? Have you been to Eastbourne recently. It's a boring dump. Wake up and smell the roses - you live in one of the best places to live around.
Posted by: wrap around, round the back, and the front on 2:57pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Jill Aberdeen[/bold] wrote:
We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn't notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort[/quote] Excuse me. You're from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.
Jill Aberdeen wrote:
We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn't notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort
Excuse me. You're from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.
Posted by: Robert, Hove on 3:08pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Mary Hinge[/bold] wrote:
At last, the truth! "Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). "We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife." I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is "head of culture"!!!! [/quote] Thank you Mary you did all the work for me, I could not agree with you more strongly. What a complete joke and a giant waste of money our "Head of Culture" has yet again proven himself to be. Imagine comparing Brighton to Barcelona, imagine sitting in one of the council meetings looking at the AV presentation with the Pier sat next to La Sagrada Familia.... Yet again an over paid fool some how manages to convince his superiors that he is worthy of his role and salary. Pathetic.
Mary Hinge wrote:
At last, the truth! "Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). "We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife." I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is "head of culture"!!!!
Thank you Mary you did all the work for me, I could not agree with you more strongly. What a complete joke and a giant waste of money our "Head of Culture" has yet again proven himself to be. Imagine comparing Brighton to Barcelona, imagine sitting in one of the council meetings looking at the AV presentation with the Pier sat next to La Sagrada Familia.... Yet again an over paid fool some how manages to convince his superiors that he is worthy of his role and salary. Pathetic.
Posted by: markc, brighton exiled by house prices on 3:13pm Fri 9 May 08
Brighton has less culture now than it had in the 60s and 70s with the film theatre and various rock venues. It is more self-regarding now and comparisons with Barcelona end when you compare Withdean with Nou Camp and the Olympic Stad at Montjuif.
Brighton has less culture now than it had in the 60s and 70s with the film theatre and various rock venues. It is more self-regarding now and comparisons with Barcelona end when you compare Withdean with Nou Camp and the Olympic Stad at Montjuif.
Posted by: Graham, Hove on 3:16pm Fri 9 May 08
Barcelona is not all it is cracked up to be. Full of pickpockets, prostitutes and beggars.
Apart from the market at the top of the Ramblas, it is just another street.
Barcelona is not all it is cracked up to be. Full of pickpockets, prostitutes and beggars.
Apart from the market at the top of the Ramblas, it is just another street.
Posted by: Alfie, hove on 3:19pm Fri 9 May 08
Brighton is an awful place and has been for a few years now.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either one of the self-styled "cool" people who have ruined the independant, non-trendy spirit that made it so good or they are still living back in the 90's, when it was actually a cosmopolitan, great place to live. These days it's only good if you have money - that's so against everything that made it great it's untrue.
Brighton is an awful place and has been for a few years now.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either one of the self-styled "cool" people who have ruined the independant, non-trendy spirit that made it so good or they are still living back in the 90's, when it was actually a cosmopolitan, great place to live. These days it's only good if you have money - that's so against everything that made it great it's untrue.
Posted by: Reynard, Brighton on 3:21pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]markc[/bold] wrote:
Brighton has less culture now than it had in the 60s and 70s with the film theatre and various rock venues. It is more self-regarding now and comparisons with Barcelona end when you compare Withdean with Nou Camp and the Olympic Stad at Montjuif.[/quote] GPWM
I'm waiting for the next tourist report that likens the Pavilion to the Taj Mahal; Nobles Amusements to the Monte Carlo Casino; Momma Cherri's to Le Manoir aux Quat' Saisons; North Street to the Champs Elysee; etc. etc....
markc wrote:
Brighton has less culture now than it had in the 60s and 70s with the film theatre and various rock venues. It is more self-regarding now and comparisons with Barcelona end when you compare Withdean with Nou Camp and the Olympic Stad at Montjuif.
GPWM
I'm waiting for the next tourist report that likens the Pavilion to the Taj Mahal; Nobles Amusements to the Monte Carlo Casino; Momma Cherri's to Le Manoir aux Quat' Saisons; North Street to the Champs Elysee; etc. etc....
Posted by: PROUD BRIGHTON GIRL, BRIGHTON on 3:22pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]wrap around[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jill Aberdeen[/bold] wrote: We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn\\\'t notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort[/quote] Excuse me. You\\\'re from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.[/quote] DONT COME BACK THEN! NOBODY ASKS YOU TO VISIT OUR CITY.
wrap around wrote:
Jill Aberdeen wrote: We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn't notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort
Excuse me. You're from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.
DONT COME BACK THEN! NOBODY ASKS YOU TO VISIT OUR CITY.
Posted by: jim, hove on 3:27pm Fri 9 May 08
Brighton and Hove is easily the best city in the UK. This says much more about the UK, than it does about Brighton and Hove. Our city would be immeasurably improved if the council concentrated on the basics; clean streets, better parking etc and stopped making embarrassing comparisons with Barcelona!
Brighton and Hove is easily the best city in the UK. This says much more about the UK, than it does about Brighton and Hove. Our city would be immeasurably improved if the council concentrated on the basics; clean streets, better parking etc and stopped making embarrassing comparisons with Barcelona!
Posted by: Tim Williams, Hove on 3:38pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Flatty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Proud Brightonian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mary Hinge[/bold] wrote: At last, the truth! "Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). "We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife." I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is "head of culture"!!!! [/quote] Do you even live here? Brighton is an amazing place to live and work. Yes it has its tacky areas, but doesn't every seaside town? Try venturing into the North Laine or the Lanes. There you'll find independent shops, cafes, restaurants, art galleries and all manner of entertainment. I think we are incredibly lucky to live in such a vibrant city. And in regards to your reply to David Smith's comments, comparing Brighton to Barcelona, it entirely depends on what type of culture you're after. Have you ever been to Brighton festival? Or perhaps the comedy festival? Have you been to one of the art galleries? Look away from the seafront and open your eyes to the brilliant and far-from-boring city that we live in. There. Rant over.[/quote] Proud Brightonian - Get a job you waste of space.[/quote] Does Barcelona have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. If you've ever been there you will see that it's a building site and has been since 1882 and will be for the next 20 years. Hundreds of sub-par artists and architects have ruined Gaudi's original design, so I have no idea what your point is. We have a church designed by Sir Charles Barry (as well as numerous other buildings he designed) and some of the finest Regency architecture in the world. Not to mention the Royal Pavilion, Dome, St Bartholomew's etc etc. Once the Gehry towers are built we will have a major post-modern iconic building. I think comparisons with Barcelona are extremely valid. At least when we walk down Western Road at night we're not accosted by hundreds of prostitutes. Open your eyes and stop taking out beautiful city for granted.
Flatty wrote:
Proud Brightonian wrote:
Mary Hinge wrote: At last, the truth! "Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally." So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn't stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). "We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife." I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is "head of culture"!!!!
Do you even live here? Brighton is an amazing place to live and work. Yes it has its tacky areas, but doesn't every seaside town? Try venturing into the North Laine or the Lanes. There you'll find independent shops, cafes, restaurants, art galleries and all manner of entertainment. I think we are incredibly lucky to live in such a vibrant city. And in regards to your reply to David Smith's comments, comparing Brighton to Barcelona, it entirely depends on what type of culture you're after. Have you ever been to Brighton festival? Or perhaps the comedy festival? Have you been to one of the art galleries? Look away from the seafront and open your eyes to the brilliant and far-from-boring city that we live in. There. Rant over.
Proud Brightonian - Get a job you waste of space.
Does Barcelona have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. If you've ever been there you will see that it's a building site and has been since 1882 and will be for the next 20 years. Hundreds of sub-par artists and architects have ruined Gaudi's original design, so I have no idea what your point is. We have a church designed by Sir Charles Barry (as well as numerous other buildings he designed) and some of the finest Regency architecture in the world. Not to mention the Royal Pavilion, Dome, St Bartholomew's etc etc. Once the Gehry towers are built we will have a major post-modern iconic building. I think comparisons with Barcelona are extremely valid. At least when we walk down Western Road at night we're not accosted by hundreds of prostitutes. Open your eyes and stop taking out beautiful city for granted.
Posted by: Jules, lewes on 3:38pm Fri 9 May 08
I am Brighton born and bred and I can tell you that the Rough Guide is right on the money, Brighton has been hijacked by pompous Londoners who move here for Brightons quirkiness and character and promptly destroy it. The town is also being strangled by roadworks and trafic jams with a high level of drug addicts and homeless people. for someone to compare Brighton to Barcelona is an absolute joke. Brighton is just a seaside town with some good clubs pubs and restaurants, I moved to Lewes just before Christmas and I couldn't be happier, great pubs shops and restaurants, happier calmer people and beautiful countryside and Brighton is only 20 minutes away and I do still love Brighton but somebody needs to save i from the culture vultures and luvvies who had the pomposity to put Brighton forward for european city of culture (absolutely deluded)
I am Brighton born and bred and I can tell you that the Rough Guide is right on the money, Brighton has been hijacked by pompous Londoners who move here for Brightons quirkiness and character and promptly destroy it. The town is also being strangled by roadworks and trafic jams with a high level of drug addicts and homeless people. for someone to compare Brighton to Barcelona is an absolute joke. Brighton is just a seaside town with some good clubs pubs and restaurants, I moved to Lewes just before Christmas and I couldn't be happier, great pubs shops and restaurants, happier calmer people and beautiful countryside and Brighton is only 20 minutes away and I do still love Brighton but somebody needs to save i from the culture vultures and luvvies who had the pomposity to put Brighton forward for european city of culture (absolutely deluded)
Posted by: sm on 3:39pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Alfie[/bold] wrote:
Brighton is an awful place and has been for a few years now.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either one of the self-styled "cool" people who have ruined the independant, non-trendy spirit that made it so good or they are still living back in the 90's, when it was actually a cosmopolitan, great place to live. These days it's only good if you have money - that's so against everything that made it great it's untrue.[/quote] Spot on!
I lived there from 92-95 and 98-01.
Like you say, when it WAS a great place.
Brigton on par with Barcelona ?????? No.
Maybe one of the seedy, nasty Costa resorts, but not barcelona.
Alfie wrote:
Brighton is an awful place and has been for a few years now.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is either one of the self-styled "cool" people who have ruined the independant, non-trendy spirit that made it so good or they are still living back in the 90's, when it was actually a cosmopolitan, great place to live. These days it's only good if you have money - that's so against everything that made it great it's untrue.
Spot on!
I lived there from 92-95 and 98-01.
Like you say, when it WAS a great place.
Brigton on par with Barcelona ?????? No.
Maybe one of the seedy, nasty Costa resorts, but not barcelona.
Posted by: Studley, Brighton on 3:48pm Fri 9 May 08
"We have a church designed by Sir Charles Barry (as well as numerous other buildings he designed) and some of the finest Regency architecture in the world. Not to mention the Royal Pavilion, Dome, St Bartholomew's etc etc. Once the Gehry towers are built we will have a major post-modern iconic building. I think comparisons with Barcelona are extremely valid."
You're having a laugh, arent' you?
I bet millions of tourists flock to Brighton each year to visit Charles Barry's designs (particularly the Royal Sussex Hospital A&E after midnight on a Friday and Saturday night) - far more than go to Barcelona to visit the Sagrada Familia.
And don't even get started on the "Gehry" towers... especially the fact that he had perilously little to do with it....
...next you'll be arguing that the pier isn't "tacky" and that the seafront isn't "ugly".
"We have a church designed by Sir Charles Barry (as well as numerous other buildings he designed) and some of the finest Regency architecture in the world. Not to mention the Royal Pavilion, Dome, St Bartholomew's etc etc. Once the Gehry towers are built we will have a major post-modern iconic building. I think comparisons with Barcelona are extremely valid."
You're having a laugh, arent' you?
I bet millions of tourists flock to Brighton each year to visit Charles Barry's designs (particularly the Royal Sussex Hospital A&E after midnight on a Friday and Saturday night) - far more than go to Barcelona to visit the Sagrada Familia.
And don't even get started on the "Gehry" towers... especially the fact that he had perilously little to do with it....
...next you'll be arguing that the pier isn't "tacky" and that the seafront isn't "ugly".
Posted by: Nimmo on 3:51pm Fri 9 May 08
I think it was Jeffrey Barnard would described Brighton as 'helping the police with their enquiries'.
I think that is a fair description.
I do live in Brighton and I have been to Barcelona.
When is Brighton going to launch its bid to host the Olympics then?
I think it was Jeffrey Barnard would described Brighton as 'helping the police with their enquiries'.
I think that is a fair description.
I do live in Brighton and I have been to Barcelona.
When is Brighton going to launch its bid to host the Olympics then?
Posted by: S.T. Rewth, Brighton on 4:13pm Fri 9 May 08
I am also Brighton born and lived here most of my life. Got to agree with Jules.
I am also Brighton born and lived here most of my life. Got to agree with Jules.
Posted by: muhamed, hove on 4:57pm Fri 9 May 08
the blacks, asians and eastern europeans have ruined this city, kick them all out and then this city truly will be great. we also have to do something about the gays and those uni students who cause noyhing but trouble.
GO BRIGHTON!!
the blacks, asians and eastern europeans have ruined this city, kick them all out and then this city truly will be great. we also have to do something about the gays and those uni students who cause noyhing but trouble.
GO BRIGHTON!!
Posted by: Frank, Brighton on 5:00pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
Barcelona is not all it is cracked up to be. Full of pickpockets, prostitutes and beggars.
Apart from the market at the top of the Ramblas, it is just another street. [/quote] Spot on. I expect all of these people saying how wonderful it is have never actually been there.
Barcelona is the most godawful hell-hole that I've ever had the misfortune to visit. As Graham said, the druggies on the street there make Brighton look like some sort of Mormon sanctuary.
If you the sort of impressionable teenager who thinks it's exciting to see drugs being sold on the street and junkies shooting up in cafes, then Barcelona is just your thing; for the rest of us, it's just a place to avoid.
In fact, it's quite an insult even mentioning Brighton in the same breath as Barcelona - we're streets ahead.
Graham wrote:
Barcelona is not all it is cracked up to be. Full of pickpockets, prostitutes and beggars.
Apart from the market at the top of the Ramblas, it is just another street.
Spot on. I expect all of these people saying how wonderful it is have never actually been there.
Barcelona is the most godawful hell-hole that I've ever had the misfortune to visit. As Graham said, the druggies on the street there make Brighton look like some sort of Mormon sanctuary.
If you the sort of impressionable teenager who thinks it's exciting to see drugs being sold on the street and junkies shooting up in cafes, then Barcelona is just your thing; for the rest of us, it's just a place to avoid.
In fact, it's quite an insult even mentioning Brighton in the same breath as Barcelona - we're streets ahead.
Posted by: Sue, Hove on 5:00pm Fri 9 May 08
To compare Brighton with Barcelona is a complete farce. Barcelona is better by miles. The people are more civilised - they do not go on drinking sprees every night. They do not need drugs to exist. The police in Barcelon are real policemen unlike Sussex Police. However all of Uk has been destroyed by the labour government. It is time to move abroad and find somewhere civilised.
To compare Brighton with Barcelona is a complete farce. Barcelona is better by miles. The people are more civilised - they do not go on drinking sprees every night. They do not need drugs to exist. The police in Barcelon are real policemen unlike Sussex Police. However all of Uk has been destroyed by the labour government. It is time to move abroad and find somewhere civilised.
Posted by: Big Cheese, Peacehaven on 5:01pm Fri 9 May 08
Councillor David Smith sounds a right wally.
If you are going to argue the merits of a place from a position of strnegth, you do so in absolute terms, not by making idle comparisons with other places.
To set Brighton beside Barcelona, or anywhere else, is to be intellectually redundant.
Heaven help Brighton if he is being sent about the place to tout its cultural virtues.
Councillor David Smith sounds a right wally.
If you are going to argue the merits of a place from a position of strnegth, you do so in absolute terms, not by making idle comparisons with other places.
To set Brighton beside Barcelona, or anywhere else, is to be intellectually redundant.
Heaven help Brighton if he is being sent about the place to tout its cultural virtues.
Posted by: brighton boy on 5:25pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]wobblers[/bold] wrote:
Although much of the comments made by the Rough Guide are fair enough (difficult to argue that the pier is not tacky!) why is that every time anything negative is written about Brighton that loads of tossers jump on the bandwagon and start slagging the city off? It does have its issues, as do most place, but it's an amazing, vibrant place to live and I would not live anywhere else. If you don't like the city, don't live here. Simple as that. [/quote] I dont like the Sh***y so don't live here anymore. I now live where normal people are, no lesbos, pouffs, and trannies. No druggies, big issues, its bril
wobblers wrote:
Although much of the comments made by the Rough Guide are fair enough (difficult to argue that the pier is not tacky!) why is that every time anything negative is written about Brighton that loads of tossers jump on the bandwagon and start slagging the city off? It does have its issues, as do most place, but it's an amazing, vibrant place to live and I would not live anywhere else. If you don't like the city, don't live here. Simple as that.
I dont like the Sh***y so don't live here anymore. I now live where normal people are, no lesbos, pouffs, and trannies. No druggies, big issues, its bril
Posted by: Charlie, Hanover on 5:33pm Fri 9 May 08
the laines are lovelly to walk down and browse the shops especially in the summer but the rest of brighton is something completly different I totaly agree with this guide.
the laines are lovelly to walk down and browse the shops especially in the summer but the rest of brighton is something completly different I totaly agree with this guide.
Posted by: Tim Williams, Hove on 5:53pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Studley[/bold] wrote:
"We have a church designed by Sir Charles Barry (as well as numerous other buildings he designed) and some of the finest Regency architecture in the world. Not to mention the Royal Pavilion, Dome, St Bartholomew's etc etc. Once the Gehry towers are built we will have a major post-modern iconic building. I think comparisons with Barcelona are extremely valid."
You're having a laugh, arent' you?
I bet millions of tourists flock to Brighton each year to visit Charles Barry's designs (particularly the Royal Sussex Hospital A&E after midnight on a Friday and Saturday night) - far more than go to Barcelona to visit the Sagrada Familia.
And don't even get started on the "Gehry" towers... especially the fact that he had perilously little to do with it....
...next you'll be arguing that the pier isn't "tacky" and that the seafront isn't "ugly". [/quote] The seafront is far from 'ugly'. Ugly is for places like Milton Keynes, Eastleigh, Chelmsford, Weston, Southend....
Perhaps you need to visit specsavers?
Millions of tourists flock to Brighton each year. Have you not seen them? Why are they here? Because of Brighton as a whole, which is made up of all the elements that I pointed out and more.
I'm familiar with how an architect's practice works... I guess you have issues with that. Deal with it.
I didn't say the pier wasn't 'tacky'. My argument was regarding Barcelona comparisons - I guess you missed that. If we're talking tacky, then the cable car over Barcelona harbour beats the pier by miles. I actually think the palace pier is splendid and fun. I guess you don't have much of the latter.
Studley wrote:
"We have a church designed by Sir Charles Barry (as well as numerous other buildings he designed) and some of the finest Regency architecture in the world. Not to mention the Royal Pavilion, Dome, St Bartholomew's etc etc. Once the Gehry towers are built we will have a major post-modern iconic building. I think comparisons with Barcelona are extremely valid."
You're having a laugh, arent' you?
I bet millions of tourists flock to Brighton each year to visit Charles Barry's designs (particularly the Royal Sussex Hospital A&E after midnight on a Friday and Saturday night) - far more than go to Barcelona to visit the Sagrada Familia.
And don't even get started on the "Gehry" towers... especially the fact that he had perilously little to do with it....
...next you'll be arguing that the pier isn't "tacky" and that the seafront isn't "ugly".
The seafront is far from 'ugly'. Ugly is for places like Milton Keynes, Eastleigh, Chelmsford, Weston, Southend....
Perhaps you need to visit specsavers?
Millions of tourists flock to Brighton each year. Have you not seen them? Why are they here? Because of Brighton as a whole, which is made up of all the elements that I pointed out and more.
I'm familiar with how an architect's practice works... I guess you have issues with that. Deal with it.
I didn't say the pier wasn't 'tacky'. My argument was regarding Barcelona comparisons - I guess you missed that. If we're talking tacky, then the cable car over Barcelona harbour beats the pier by miles. I actually think the palace pier is splendid and fun. I guess you don't have much of the latter.
Posted by: Tim Williams, Hove on 6:00pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Sue[/bold] wrote:
To compare Brighton with Barcelona is a complete farce. Barcelona is better by miles. The people are more civilised - they do not go on drinking sprees every night. They do not need drugs to exist. The police in Barcelon are real policemen unlike Sussex Police. However all of Uk has been destroyed by the labour government. It is time to move abroad and find somewhere civilised.[/quote] Sue, you must have walked around Barcelona with your eyes shut. All those guys selling stuff on Barceloneta Beach shouting 'Agua, Cola, Cerveca' are drug dealers too. And there are hundreds and hundreds of people drinking on the streets all night long! Perhaps you were holed up in your five star hotel and visiting Michelin starred restaurants to even notice the real Barca.
Sue wrote:
To compare Brighton with Barcelona is a complete farce. Barcelona is better by miles. The people are more civilised - they do not go on drinking sprees every night. They do not need drugs to exist. The police in Barcelon are real policemen unlike Sussex Police. However all of Uk has been destroyed by the labour government. It is time to move abroad and find somewhere civilised.
Sue, you must have walked around Barcelona with your eyes shut. All those guys selling stuff on Barceloneta Beach shouting 'Agua, Cola, Cerveca' are drug dealers too. And there are hundreds and hundreds of people drinking on the streets all night long! Perhaps you were holed up in your five star hotel and visiting Michelin starred restaurants to even notice the real Barca.
Posted by: jayne, hove on 6:57pm Fri 9 May 08
spot on alright, why cant we have great planting lighting seating and paving, why is everything so cheap and never lasts. the pavements are all over the place the cycle lanes in the wrong place, tacky run down beach huts. the prom is for promenading not just clubbing. our jewel seafront could be a diamond but is just a cubic zircona, and as for tacky churchill sq and western road. we need more development like the north laine jubilee st. along the seafront with stylish and quality finishes. bring on the best developments and stop the tacky crap. yet more beach huts storage sheds are to be placed along the last stretch of open prom by hove lagoon ruining the last bit of seafront. they will rot and get vandalised here and may be used once in a blue moon. you can stop this if you object by may 15th to the planning dept. NOW before our seafront disappears from view.
spot on alright, why cant we have great planting lighting seating and paving, why is everything so cheap and never lasts. the pavements are all over the place the cycle lanes in the wrong place, tacky run down beach huts. the prom is for promenading not just clubbing. our jewel seafront could be a diamond but is just a cubic zircona, and as for tacky churchill sq and western road. we need more development like the north laine jubilee st. along the seafront with stylish and quality finishes. bring on the best developments and stop the tacky crap. yet more beach huts storage sheds are to be placed along the last stretch of open prom by hove lagoon ruining the last bit of seafront. they will rot and get vandalised here and may be used once in a blue moon. you can stop this if you object by may 15th to the planning dept. NOW before our seafront disappears from view.
Posted by: Matthew, Hove on 7:41pm Fri 9 May 08
I wouldn't want to live anywhere else! Brighton is what you make it. I've had the best times of my life in this city, and some of the worst. I've never been anywhere in the world where I have met such diverse and interesting people. I know! Aren't I sheltered? Coming from Hastings this was a step-up! It's the Hastings types here that spoil it, and the people that think they have to be something they're not. A contradiction perhaps, but I don't feel I could truly be myself anywhere else.
I wouldn't want to live anywhere else! Brighton is what you make it. I've had the best times of my life in this city, and some of the worst. I've never been anywhere in the world where I have met such diverse and interesting people. I know! Aren't I sheltered? Coming from Hastings this was a step-up! It's the Hastings types here that spoil it, and the people that think they have to be something they're not. A contradiction perhaps, but I don't feel I could truly be myself anywhere else.
Posted by: SirNormanFosters, In the City on 7:59pm Fri 9 May 08
'Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.'
Is David Smith living in the same City as the rest of us? The Thistle is monstrous.
As for comparisons to Barcelona, perhaps Mr Smith can point me to the Míro Foundation, or perhaps this Cities wonderful public collection of Picassos (no doubt hidden away in Brighton and Hove Museum...)Perhaps it's the Starbucks in the cultural quarter he is so proud of, which clearly rivals the Gaudi Park of Barcelona, or maybe it is The Brighton Centre that rivals Sagrada Familia, and La Rambla is poor imitation of the fascinating West Street.....
When are these berks going to recognise that self promotion actually makes a mockery of our great City, and in their desperation to 'sell it' has failed because the political classes have failed our City by filling it with tawdry rubbish like Starbucks and sought to sell it as culture when it's just next to the library.
The King Alfred Towers wont do it either. Barcelona is on the map because it has 2000 years of culture, Brighton barely has 200 and has been held back by the likes of David Smith for a generation.
'Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.'
Is David Smith living in the same City as the rest of us? The Thistle is monstrous.
As for comparisons to Barcelona, perhaps Mr Smith can point me to the Míro Foundation, or perhaps this Cities wonderful public collection of Picassos (no doubt hidden away in Brighton and Hove Museum...)Perhaps it's the Starbucks in the cultural quarter he is so proud of, which clearly rivals the Gaudi Park of Barcelona, or maybe it is The Brighton Centre that rivals Sagrada Familia, and La Rambla is poor imitation of the fascinating West Street.....
When are these berks going to recognise that self promotion actually makes a mockery of our great City, and in their desperation to 'sell it' has failed because the political classes have failed our City by filling it with tawdry rubbish like Starbucks and sought to sell it as culture when it's just next to the library.
The King Alfred Towers wont do it either. Barcelona is on the map because it has 2000 years of culture, Brighton barely has 200 and has been held back by the likes of David Smith for a generation.
Posted by: Barry, Walsingham Road on 8:08pm Fri 9 May 08
Quite right, Sir Norman. The Council calls it a "cultural quarter" when Jubilee Square is just a bunch of chain restaurants. A real non-starter of an area, and will bring down the North Laine.
David Smith has made himself look a right idiot with this Barcelona nonsense. What a hostage to fortune, his utterance has proved to be. Doesn't he realise that there are people with real knowledge out here, people who will not be palmed off with such pap? It's enough to make you despair of local government.
Quite right, Sir Norman. The Council calls it a "cultural quarter" when Jubilee Square is just a bunch of chain restaurants. A real non-starter of an area, and will bring down the North Laine.
David Smith has made himself look a right idiot with this Barcelona nonsense. What a hostage to fortune, his utterance has proved to be. Doesn't he realise that there are people with real knowledge out here, people who will not be palmed off with such pap? It's enough to make you despair of local government.
Posted by: BHAFC, Hove on 10:54pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Mary Hinge[/bold] wrote:
At last, the truth! \"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.\" So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn\'t stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). \"We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife.\" I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is \"head of culture\"!!!! [/quote] Mary Whinge - have you ever been to Barcelona - Las Ramblas is full of poor quality restauarants and bars and cheap shops - yes or no? The Royal Pavilion compares with Gaudis church in grandeur if not 'artistically'!! Get out of the touristy areas and Barca is like many other Spanish/ European cities, simple as that!
Mary Hinge wrote:
At last, the truth! \"Although Barcelona is a lot bigger than our city in terms of size and population, I am of the opinion we are equal culturally.\" So says David Smith, Conservative Councillor. Like Barcelona?? GET REAL!! Do we have a Gaudi Cathedral? No. Ramblas? No. I could go on but Smith is clearly an imbecile. But he doesn\'t stop there and continues digging an ever-deeper hole into which no doubt his limited intelligence will be put (near the bottom). \"We have got seven-miles of flat seafront, which very few seaside resorts in the world can boast, and wonderful shops, restaurants and nightlife.\" I think what he meant to say was that we have a large pebbly beach, the usual shops you can find anywhere (the biggest of which is only a Debenhams, i.e. not exactly Bond Street is it), about 4 decent restaurants (not counting Burger King on North Street or Sobs), and er... yes, lots of nightclubs. And this guy is \"head of culture\"!!!!
Mary Whinge - have you ever been to Barcelona - Las Ramblas is full of poor quality restauarants and bars and cheap shops - yes or no? The Royal Pavilion compares with Gaudis church in grandeur if not 'artistically'!! Get out of the touristy areas and Barca is like many other Spanish/ European cities, simple as that!
Posted by: Ronnie, Brighton on 1:37am Sat 10 May 08
A lot of wierd people posting a lot of wierd stuff about this it seems to me.
Brighton is, and always has been a fun place - its a seaside resort for gods sake!
Yes the pier is tacky to the extent that all piers are tacky, but our pier is great none the less (if you like piers). What would you put in place of the rides, slot machines and stalls - Orchid gardens, string quartets, and restaurants with 5 Michelin stars? For heavens sake its a pier at one of the most popular seaside resorts in the UK - and most visitors love it!
If you live here, it ceases to be a holiday resort, and you will soon find the negative side that EVERY town and city has.
And dont keep going on about wealthy londoners coming here and spoiling it - thats utter ****. Just because they think its a good place to live (says it all doesnt it) and have (some) a bit more money than you, there is no need to get jealous. Go to any town or city in the UK and you will a percentage of residents were not born there.
There is however several things that ARE wrong. 1. The street drunks, 2. The druggies 3. The scum that are robbing the benefit system 4. The lack of Police enforcement of basic rules about street drinking, and disturbing the peace etc etc etc 5.The immigration rules currently applied to the UK
Brighton is otherwise great
A lot of wierd people posting a lot of wierd stuff about this it seems to me.
Brighton is, and always has been a fun place - its a seaside resort for gods sake!
Yes the pier is tacky to the extent that all piers are tacky, but our pier is great none the less (if you like piers). What would you put in place of the rides, slot machines and stalls - Orchid gardens, string quartets, and restaurants with 5 Michelin stars? For heavens sake its a pier at one of the most popular seaside resorts in the UK - and most visitors love it!
If you live here, it ceases to be a holiday resort, and you will soon find the negative side that EVERY town and city has.
And dont keep going on about wealthy londoners coming here and spoiling it - thats utter ****. Just because they think its a good place to live (says it all doesnt it) and have (some) a bit more money than you, there is no need to get jealous. Go to any town or city in the UK and you will a percentage of residents were not born there.
There is however several things that ARE wrong. 1. The street drunks, 2. The druggies 3. The scum that are robbing the benefit system 4. The lack of Police enforcement of basic rules about street drinking, and disturbing the peace etc etc etc 5.The immigration rules currently applied to the UK
Brighton is otherwise great
Posted by: penny, pavilion on 10:23am Sat 10 May 08
Good old Rough Guide, hit the nail on the head.As for conservatives commment re Brighton vs Barcelona, where are all the georgeous dark curly haired men then?
Good old Rough Guide, hit the nail on the head.As for conservatives commment re Brighton vs Barcelona, where are all the georgeous dark curly haired men then?
Posted by: Barry, Walsingham Road on 10:48am Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]Ronnie[/bold] wrote:
A lot of wierd people posting a lot of wierd stuff about this it seems to me.
Brighton is, and always has been a fun place - its a seaside resort for gods sake!
Yes the pier is tacky to the extent that all piers are tacky, but our pier is great none the less (if you like piers). What would you put in place of the rides, slot machines and stalls - Orchid gardens, string quartets, and restaurants with 5 Michelin stars? For heavens sake its a pier at one of the most popular seaside resorts in the UK - and most visitors love it!
If you live here, it ceases to be a holiday resort, and you will soon find the negative side that EVERY town and city has.
And dont keep going on about wealthy londoners coming here and spoiling it - thats utter ****. Just because they think its a good place to live (says it all doesnt it) and have (some) a bit more money than you, there is no need to get jealous. Go to any town or city in the UK and you will a percentage of residents were not born there.
There is however several things that ARE wrong. 1. The street drunks, 2. The druggies 3. The scum that are robbing the benefit system 4. The lack of Police enforcement of basic rules about street drinking, and disturbing the peace etc etc etc 5.The immigration rules currently applied to the UK
Brighton is otherwise great[/quote] So what about bring back the listed theatre which was dismantled on the Palace Pier for ""temporary storage" and never brought back?
Brighton is certainly dump: witness Church Square, it could be anywhere
Ronnie wrote:
A lot of wierd people posting a lot of wierd stuff about this it seems to me.
Brighton is, and always has been a fun place - its a seaside resort for gods sake!
Yes the pier is tacky to the extent that all piers are tacky, but our pier is great none the less (if you like piers). What would you put in place of the rides, slot machines and stalls - Orchid gardens, string quartets, and restaurants with 5 Michelin stars? For heavens sake its a pier at one of the most popular seaside resorts in the UK - and most visitors love it!
If you live here, it ceases to be a holiday resort, and you will soon find the negative side that EVERY town and city has.
And dont keep going on about wealthy londoners coming here and spoiling it - thats utter ****. Just because they think its a good place to live (says it all doesnt it) and have (some) a bit more money than you, there is no need to get jealous. Go to any town or city in the UK and you will a percentage of residents were not born there.
There is however several things that ARE wrong. 1. The street drunks, 2. The druggies 3. The scum that are robbing the benefit system 4. The lack of Police enforcement of basic rules about street drinking, and disturbing the peace etc etc etc 5.The immigration rules currently applied to the UK
Brighton is otherwise great
So what about bring back the listed theatre which was dismantled on the Palace Pier for ""temporary storage" and never brought back?
Brighton is certainly dump: witness Church Square, it could be anywhere
Posted by: whogivesa, Brighton on 1:07pm Sat 10 May 08
Brighton the cultural equal of Barcelona? Obviously the person making that statement has never been to Barcelona - or maybe even to Brighton.
It's a completely stupid statement.
Brighton is a s***hole - Barcelona isn't. Brighton's streets are full of druggies, drunks and beggars. Barcelona's aren't.
And culturally, Brighton is banrupt compared with the riches you can see in Barcelona.
Brighton the cultural equal of Barcelona? Obviously the person making that statement has never been to Barcelona - or maybe even to Brighton.
It's a completely stupid statement.
Brighton is a s***hole - Barcelona isn't. Brighton's streets are full of druggies, drunks and beggars. Barcelona's aren't.
And culturally, Brighton is banrupt compared with the riches you can see in Barcelona.
Posted by: Jill, Hull on 2:05pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]wrap around[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jill Aberdeen[/bold] wrote: We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn\'t notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort[/quote] Excuse me. You\'re from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.[/quote] I didn't insult Brightonians so don't have a pop at us!Take off the rose tinted glasses and see it for what it is.Or go away for 8 years and come back and see what you think of the place!
wrap around wrote:
Jill Aberdeen wrote: We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn\'t notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort
Excuse me. You\'re from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.
I didn't insult Brightonians so don't have a pop at us!Take off the rose tinted glasses and see it for what it is.Or go away for 8 years and come back and see what you think of the place!
Posted by: Jill on 2:10pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]PROUD BRIGHTON GIRL[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wrap around[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Jill Aberdeen[/bold] wrote: We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn\\\\\\\'t notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort[/quote] Excuse me. You\\\\\\\'re from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.[/quote] DONT COME BACK THEN! NOBODY ASKS YOU TO VISIT OUR CITY.[/quote] I didn't come down through choice.I am Brighton born and bred and lived there for 47 years but it's just a shame what has happened to the place but if you've never lived anywhere else you cannot make comparisons.It just needs a lot of TLC
PROUD BRIGHTON GIRL wrote:
wrap around wrote: Jill Aberdeen wrote: We recently visited Brighton and coming down as a visitor I can truly back up this report.Maybe I didn\\\\'t notice it when I was a resident but the place has definitely gone downhill.And £2 for a coffee is extortionate!The parks and gardens dept should visit Hull to see how you plant things with a bit of imagination instead of digging a hole and shoving them in!Victoria Gardens was full of drunks(and that was (9 a.m)Drinking in the steet in our town centre is totally banned and there is zero tolerance on beggars.We only have one Big Issue seller!! On the whole the appearace of the town is scruffy and neglected and I find it unacceptable for a major resort
Excuse me. You\\\\'re from Hull, where the drains stink bad and the people stink worse. I find Hull unacceptable.
DONT COME BACK THEN! NOBODY ASKS YOU TO VISIT OUR CITY.
I didn't come down through choice.I am Brighton born and bred and lived there for 47 years but it's just a shame what has happened to the place but if you've never lived anywhere else you cannot make comparisons.It just needs a lot of TLC
Posted by: shesleavinghome, Brighton on 4:42pm Sat 10 May 08
[bold]DONT COME BACK THEN! NOBODY ASKS YOU TO VISIT OUR CITY.[/bold]
The problem is, I'm unfortunate enough to have chosen to live here. Big mistake!
Don't worry, I'm leaving as soon as I can....
DONT COME BACK THEN! NOBODY ASKS YOU TO VISIT OUR CITY.
The problem is, I'm unfortunate enough to have chosen to live here. Big mistake!
Don't worry, I'm leaving as soon as I can....
Posted by: bobby bigballs, Brighton on 8:47pm Sat 10 May 08
I do think Brighton is over rated but people do have a choice - you either live here or you dont, you either visit or you dont its no use complaining you have choices.
I do think Brighton is over rated but people do have a choice - you either live here or you dont, you either visit or you dont its no use complaining you have choices.
Posted by: wanna, be on 9:57pm Sat 10 May 08
Brighton and Hove has been ruined by being a victim of its own success!
The annoying Toffs and Spoilt Bratts came here in droves to live somewhere among the bohemian artistic and cultured people,and so many came here they turned the place into exactly the opposite!
If you dont like it here now,ask some of these rich newcomers where they all came from,and move there! its probably great with lots of 'bohemian artistic and cultured people' since they left !
Brighton and Hove has been ruined by being a victim of its own success!
The annoying Toffs and Spoilt Bratts came here in droves to live somewhere among the bohemian artistic and cultured people,and so many came here they turned the place into exactly the opposite!
If you dont like it here now,ask some of these rich newcomers where they all came from,and move there! its probably great with lots of 'bohemian artistic and cultured people' since they left !
Posted by: mr men on 10:13am Sun 11 May 08
Why do people feel the need to talk in such a vile manner about Brighton?
You all sit here, slagging it off and calling the place vile, yet the way you all talk, perhaps it is YOU that is vile and needs to be cleaned up!
Brighton is a very nice city, I'm a produ Brightonian and as far as I'm concerned if you don't like Brighton, don't live here!
We'd rather you didn't.
Why do people feel the need to talk in such a vile manner about Brighton?
You all sit here, slagging it off and calling the place vile, yet the way you all talk, perhaps it is YOU that is vile and needs to be cleaned up!
Brighton is a very nice city, I'm a produ Brightonian and as far as I'm concerned if you don't like Brighton, don't live here!
We'd rather you didn't.
Posted by: David Gold, London on 11:11am Sun 11 May 08
Whilst some of what is reported is evidently right this report makes clear why most people put their faith in Time Out guide books rather than Rough Guides. I would never ever consider buying the Rough guides because rough about sums them up.
Whilst some of what is reported is evidently right this report makes clear why most people put their faith in Time Out guide books rather than Rough Guides. I would never ever consider buying the Rough guides because rough about sums them up.
Posted by: sandra, brighton on 1:44pm Sun 11 May 08
Finally the truth has been told about the tragic and relentless path our town is taking.
The town planners have got it all wrong. All that made Brighton a truly unique place is slowly being destroyed by their shortsight. In fact,all the town planners should be sacked. Brighton is just a town full of coffee shops, hairdressers and convenience stores, disguising themselves as newsagents.
We are now Milton Keynes by sea.
They have managed to strangle all the character out this once truly precious town.
Surely they can't be blind to pass mistakes, e.g Brighton Conference Centre, Boots, the unforgivable destruction that Tesco has done to a beautiful building.
The fact that there is a pettion to stop a Starbucks in St James Street says it all.
Or are the unelected Town Planners to used to their backhanders by those whose greed is unstoppable.
Wake up, before it's too late. Think of the legacy you are lea
