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Security staff to protect cabbies

Security guards are patrolling taxi ranks to help combat racist attacks on African cabbies.

A survey of ethnic minority taxi drivers showed 80% had experienced racist name-calling or other verbal abuse.

Under a scheme run by Brighton and Hove's Sudanese Coptic Association independent drivers have had radio links and CCTV installed in their cabs to help monitor incidents.

Queues at busy central Brighton cab ranks will have a security guard on Friday and Saturday nights for the next three weeks while the pilot scheme is under way.

The moves are part of a study of the extent of attacks on ethnic minority drivers working in taxis and hackney carriages.

The project is funded by a £9,500 grant from Connected Communities Plus, a group promoting racial equality.

The study is expected to run for another two months.

8:26pm Friday 9th May 2008

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Posted by: Major Blyth-Smith, 3rd Foot and Mouth on 9:01pm Fri 9 May 08
Now what was Brighton and Hove city councillor David Smith, chairman of culture, recreation and tourism saying about the Rough Guide write up about Brighton... looks to me like they got Brighton spot on.... I'm glad i'm leaving
Posted by: nightclubber, poynings on 10:06pm Fri 9 May 08
I’m a regular in the town centre at weekends and travel home by cab my post code for a unnamed road on the our skirts of Brighton does not work with a sat -nav step 1 queue for taxi 2 get in taxi quite happy 3 Give the driver my destination 3 The driver demands a postcode 4 I tell the driver I will direct him (some times gets me home) 5 a language problem kicks off what is he saying 6 demands post code again and is rude 7 this is the truth it has happened several times to me im not racist but I look for a driver I can communicate with
Posted by: bn3, hangoolia on 10:19pm Fri 9 May 08
this seems to be a bit wrong-surely all cabbies deserve the same protection.integrati
on does not seem to be important ,more each to their own,a bit like the bnp?
Posted by: caeos on 10:43pm Fri 9 May 08
Under the race descrimintaion act i expect all taxi drivers demand equal security guards, the same as the bus drivers would do if police took their complaints seriously.
Posted by: St George on 12:01am Sat 10 May 08
Sudanese Coptic Association

or the Coondiseased Septic Association
Posted by: squeesycheesypeas, brighton on 1:32am Sat 10 May 08
will this cab cctv have a mic or monitor the cash changing hands?

WILL IT FECK

because a lot of these cabbies are bent as hell,and out to scam as much money as they possibly can ..no doubt this is what the majority of so called racist remarks is about,after the cabbie's got all rude,threatening and 'non speak ingleesh' on anyone who dares question the monstrously high fare theyve just scammed you for,they want us to be good little dosile drunk english pigs and pay the money,i mean we can afford it,were all loaded from birth over here to these people.

I speak from many experiences,and no im not a racist,and i always treat people with respect,couldnt care less about peoples colour or background,i just happen to dislike dishonest crooks,im fussy like that you see!
Posted by: Cab user, Brighton on 1:52am Sat 10 May 08
I think this is a good idea. I mean ok it should be there for the protection of all taxi drivers but at least its better for us users at the rank. And lets not forget these security officers are only at the rank. I saw one last weekend and he was very polite and helpful, we had queued for 30 minutes and someone tried to jump in our cab, he was politely referred to the back of the queue. This is good for this if nothign else. Also there was a small fight which broke out and we were watching, all of a sudden these two 'mobile support units' as they are called turned up and some more men jumper out and resolved it very quickly, im scpetical overall but for those of us using the rank it seems a decent enough thing.
Posted by: sue, Hove on 7:25am Sat 10 May 08
£9,500 sounds an awful lot of money. It should be for all taxi drivers. I prefer a taxi driver who speaks english as I lip read. It is essential so that I can communicate with the taxi driver and that he charges me a fair price.
Posted by: S.T. Rewth, Brighton on 7:30am Sat 10 May 08
Security Officers should be paid for by the taxi companies. They have been needed for years at some of the ranks to protect everyone.
Posted by: Frequent Cab User, Otherside of the Downs on 7:33am Sat 10 May 08
I will frequently turn up on a fri/sat night at a busy rank and wait for an english cab driver. Not because i'm a racist but because they will always willingly put it on the meter. The foreign drivers often try and screw as much money as they can out of you by charging flat fees and what ever extras they feel like adding on! Some people stupidly pay this because it's late and all they want to do is get home to bed. I've been asked for £40+ for a 20 min journey I know all to well will cost £20 on the meter. Until they start operating in the same way as the rest of the cabs on the road of course they're going to get verbal abuse!
Posted by: ?????, Hove on 8:03am Sat 10 May 08
Why are most of the taxi drivers in Brighton and Hove Sudanese and why do they drive as if they were still in Sudan?
Posted by: kayte, brighton on 8:34am Sat 10 May 08
i got in a cab one night, and the driver did not understand where i wanted to go, and he then refused to put on his seat belt, so i made him stop the car and i got out, i did not pay for the 200 yards he went, but he then started to understand english, I did not feel safe in the car with him, it was not racist, just a matter of safety, Why are the taxi drivers allowed to operate taxis, in this way,
Posted by: liz, brighton on 8:38am Sat 10 May 08
when you get into a cab, and the driver does not understand you, in the UK, its a bit much, and then they try to charge you double, without the meter on ! If the security guards are going to protect us, they should make sure that the meter goes on before the start of the journey. I have had so many bad experiences with cab drivers in brighton, that i would wait 20 minutes to find the right one. Its not racial, its self safety and , we have the right to do that, I dont understand why companies employ people who do not know the local ways of a country, and at the same time try to rip us off. This will backfire on the sudanese , and show them up for what they are really doing
Posted by: Rhinofish, Hove on 8:50am Sat 10 May 08
kayte wrote:
i got in a cab one night, and the driver did not understand where i wanted to go, and he then refused to put on his seat belt, so i made him stop the car and i got out, i did not pay for the 200 yards he went, but he then started to understand english, I did not feel safe in the car with him, it was not racist, just a matter of safety, Why are the taxi drivers allowed to operate taxis, in this way,
Taxi drivers are exempt from wearing seat-belts!
Posted by: garza, worthing on 9:08am Sat 10 May 08
if i was a taxi driver in africa would they give me the protection . i would think not. another big waste of manpower and money
Posted by: garza, worthing on 9:12am Sat 10 May 08
how sad is this? security guards for sudanese???
Posted by: Me, Lancing on 9:40am Sat 10 May 08
Frequent Cab User wrote:
I will frequently turn up on a fri/sat night at a busy rank and wait for an english cab driver. Not because i\'m a racist but because they will always willingly put it on the meter. The foreign drivers often try and screw as much money as they can out of you by charging flat fees and what ever extras they feel like adding on! Some people stupidly pay this because it\'s late and all they want to do is get home to bed. I\'ve been asked for £40+ for a 20 min journey I know all to well will cost £20 on the meter. Until they start operating in the same way as the rest of the cabs on the road of course they\'re going to get verbal abuse!
Same experience, my wife and i have been ripped off a few times by the arab drivers. I hate racism but im afraid this. We complained to the taxi firm and got nowhere. Now we call a taxi direct and will not use the ranks. Fee confirmed on the phone prior to pick up. A longer wait but no rip of £40 fair for a £22 journey.
Posted by: Joe B, Brighton on 10:04am Sat 10 May 08
And what about all the other cabbies? Reversed racism again!
Posted by: Spirit of Churchhill on 10:14am Sat 10 May 08
????? wrote:
Why are most of the taxi drivers in Brighton and Hove Sudanese and why do they drive as if they were still in Sudan?
Because the fecking English layabouts don't want to work for a fecking living, all they want to fecking do is get a cab on Thursdays to pick up their social handout.......Mr ?????? and get p****d out of their empty heads, they then feel big and brave and shout racist remarks at ethnic minorities or beat DECENT indigenous folk up as way of entertaining themselves. Remember, you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time
Posted by: bobby bigballs, Brighton on 10:16am Sat 10 May 08
Trouble with foreign taxi drivers is that they dont know the area and when you tell them the way they dont speak English, thats where the frustration comes in - I dont beleive people are racist just fed up with paying high fares for a low service - this money would be better spent on teaching taxi drivers to speak English, after all it is our language. You dont expect Spanish or French taxi drivers to speak English so English taxi drivers should speak ENGLISH.
Posted by: garza, worthing on 10:18am Sat 10 May 08
you're completely right joe. no wonder this countrys going to the dogs.
Posted by: S.T. Rewth, Brighton on 11:09am Sat 10 May 08
To the dogs...
postcode?
No speakie inglish
£40.00 stupid inglish person
Posted by: James, Hove on 11:33am Sat 10 May 08
If you get into a cab that you hail on the street or pick up at a rank, they must put the meter on. Its the law. If not take their 3 digit number (side or back of cab) & tell the Council, they take that sort of stuff quite serious. If you phone and book a private hire, they can legally charge whatever they want, so ask them to either put on the meter or agree a fare before you start.

Taxi Marshals work well in many of the major cities and everyone seems to think they are a good idea for Friday & Saturday nights. The only issue is who should pay for them? Council? Taxi firms? Community Safety Partnerships?
Posted by: macca, brighton on 11:39am Sat 10 May 08
for gods sake you know what to do . dont get into the cab await for a cab driver that can speak your tounge,or walk home.that is it short and sweet.stop whinging
Posted by: Policing on the cheap, hove on 12:14pm Sat 10 May 08
all we need in B&H more vigilantes. Policing on the cheap yet again. we have "security" guards "walking with menaces" in the laines areas, now we have "loitering with intent" at cab ranks. They have no authority what so ever in a public place, only on private premises. We need to insist the police the job they are paid for and stop all this rubbish of having not enough cash and trying to pass on the responsibility to others.
Posted by: jo jo, 727-646 on 1:08pm Sat 10 May 08
dont just sit there moning get on to your local councillor and demarnd that any driver that goes for a taxi test commands good english. are they money grabing because the coptic church that lends them the money to buy the taxi plates charges a high such intrest rate?
Posted by: Terry Walpole, Queens Park on 1:13pm Sat 10 May 08
Thank you Nu-Labor for your open-door immigration policy for now we have in B&H a great big 'Melting Pot' where everyone just rubs along fine regardless of colour or ethnicity. Britain truly is a 'Rainbow Nation' and a beacon of hope and tolerance for all.
Posted by: bobby bigalls, brighton on 1:19pm Sat 10 May 08
Terry Walpole wrote:
Thank you Nu-Labor for your open-door immigration policy for now we have in B&H a great big 'Melting Pot' where everyone just rubs along fine regardless of colour or ethnicity. Britain truly is a 'Rainbow Nation' and a beacon of hope and tolerance for all.
I think you mean nuke-labour - and we have absolutely nothing to thank them for. Thank goodness they'll be gone in 18 months.
Posted by: S.T. Rewth, Brighton on 1:33pm Sat 10 May 08
It is my understanding that if you buy a hackney plate you still need to pass a test on where streets are. If these drivers do not know they may not be the plate owner.
Posted by: Seasider 1, Brighton on 1:38pm Sat 10 May 08
White Brighton born meter using non sat-nav cabbies also get the same abuse. Can we have a grant for security as well??!!
Posted by: mike, HOVE on 1:45pm Sat 10 May 08
Well, interesting to read the comments of the racist and bigoted who are my neighbours here in brighton / hove. I love the ones who always say "Im not racist, but...." um, yes, you really are.... I cant believe no ones posted to protest the majority of these ignorant comments!! Guess thats the price I pay for living in this town. I sincerely hope the ARGUS MODERATOR will be removing a number of these comments. They should put you all in a pit with a pint of beer / girl to "claim", and let you kick each other to pieces arguing over her in your gorilla half brained fashion. Youd probably think you were just "being a real man" Hows this - IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FACT FOREIGNERS ARE ALLOWED INTO THIS COUNTRY, WHY DONT YOU LEAVE YOURSELVES? Go on!! Make everyone elses life better, then we wouldnt have to patiently explain to you in your own simple words "Wy it aint kool 2 beets peeepls up" PLEASE, leave NOW... Oh, and stop rutting anything not nailed down - we dont need you bringing any more mini thugs into this town.
Posted by: idiots, suck on 3:31pm Sat 10 May 08
mike wrote:
Well, interesting to read the comments of the racist and bigoted who are my neighbours here in brighton / hove. I love the ones who always say "Im not racist, but...." um, yes, you really are.... I cant believe no ones posted to protest the majority of these ignorant comments!! Guess thats the price I pay for living in this town. I sincerely hope the ARGUS MODERATOR will be removing a number of these comments. They should put you all in a pit with a pint of beer / girl to "claim", and let you kick each other to pieces arguing over her in your gorilla half brained fashion. Youd probably think you were just "being a real man" Hows this - IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FACT FOREIGNERS ARE ALLOWED INTO THIS COUNTRY, WHY DONT YOU LEAVE YOURSELVES? Go on!! Make everyone elses life better, then we wouldnt have to patiently explain to you in your own simple words "Wy it aint kool 2 beets peeepls up" PLEASE, leave NOW... Oh, and stop rutting anything not nailed down - we dont need you bringing any more mini thugs into this town.
Do you actually have any real life experience with taxi's in B+H ?

Im pretty sure for most people this has nothing to do with things like race and skin colour,its about the public not wanting to get blatantly ripped off and treated badly when they take a cab ride,and wether you like it or not,the fact is a lot of the worst offending cabbies appear to be from overseas!

I dislike the racism here a great deal,but sometimes the facts just dont fit into the racial harmony fantasy that some of us would like to beleive.
Posted by: garza, worthing on 3:53pm Sat 10 May 08
mike from hove youre a complete an utter fool.comes out with everybody a racist who has a view on something like this.
Posted by: JJ, Hove on 5:07pm Sat 10 May 08
mike wrote:
Well, interesting to read the comments of the racist and bigoted who are my neighbours here in brighton / hove. I love the ones who always say "Im not racist, but...." um, yes, you really are.... I cant believe no ones posted to protest the majority of these ignorant comments!! Guess thats the price I pay for living in this town. I sincerely hope the ARGUS MODERATOR will be removing a number of these comments. They should put you all in a pit with a pint of beer / girl to "claim", and let you kick each other to pieces arguing over her in your gorilla half brained fashion. Youd probably think you were just "being a real man" Hows this - IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FACT FOREIGNERS ARE ALLOWED INTO THIS COUNTRY, WHY DONT YOU LEAVE YOURSELVES? Go on!! Make everyone elses life better, then we wouldnt have to patiently explain to you in your own simple words "Wy it aint kool 2 beets peeepls up" PLEASE, leave NOW... Oh, and stop rutting anything not nailed down - we dont need you bringing any more mini thugs into this town.
Don't you just hate it when you get accused of being a racist just because you are not getting the service you are paying a good sum of money for? Perhaps you should actually use the taxi service that is currently on offer in this city before you pass judgement on others.
Posted by: Observer on 6:09pm Sat 10 May 08
I have travelled the world and, speak only one language, but nevertheless I was always treated with respect as I struggled to tell the indigenous cabby where I wanted to get to. So why is that uneducated English idiots think they have the right to criticize any foreign cabby unfortunate to end up working in Brighton, I will tell you why; its the same old story, some whites have a misconception about themselves and falsely think that being white is all that’s needed to make them superior to all other races, poor misguided fools, it’s time they woke up and smelt the coffee.
The BNP racist who came up with the term coondisease is obviously unaware that white races are the ones guilty of spreading diseases around the world and we are still doing now.
Posted by: Observer on 6:11pm Sat 10 May 08
liz wrote:
when you get into a cab, and the driver does not understand you, in the UK, its a bit much, and then they try to charge you double, without the meter on ! If the security guards are going to protect us, they should make sure that the meter goes on before the start of the journey. I have had so many bad experiences with cab drivers in brighton, that i would wait 20 minutes to find the right one. Its not racial, its self safety and , we have the right to do that, I dont understand why companies employ people who do not know the local ways of a country, and at the same time try to rip us off. This will backfire on the sudanese , and show them up for what they are really doing
I have travelled the world and, speak only one language, but nevertheless I was always treated with respect as I struggled to tell the indigenous cabby where I wanted to get to. So why is that uneducated English idiots think they have the right to criticize any foreign cabby unfortunate to end up working in Brighton, I will tell you why; its the same old story, some whites have a misconception about themselves and falsely think that being white is all that’s needed to make them superior to all other races, poor misguided fools, it’s time they woke up and smelt the coffee.
The BNP racist who came up with the term coondisease is obviously unaware that white races are the ones guilty of spreading diseases around the world and we are still doing now.
Posted by: Major Blyth-Smith, 3rd Foot and Mouth on 10:04pm Sat 10 May 08
i've reported a post i believe is racist, in fact i reported it last night (Friday)
It and others are still there :(


Posted by: Bobby bigballs, Brighton on 9:33am Sun 11 May 08
mike wrote:
Well, interesting to read the comments of the racist and bigoted who are my neighbours here in brighton / hove. I love the ones who always say "Im not racist, but...." um, yes, you really are.... I cant believe no ones posted to protest the majority of these ignorant comments!! Guess thats the price I pay for living in this town. I sincerely hope the ARGUS MODERATOR will be removing a number of these comments. They should put you all in a pit with a pint of beer / girl to "claim", and let you kick each other to pieces arguing over her in your gorilla half brained fashion. Youd probably think you were just "being a real man" Hows this - IF YOU DONT LIKE THE FACT FOREIGNERS ARE ALLOWED INTO THIS COUNTRY, WHY DONT YOU LEAVE YOURSELVES? Go on!! Make everyone elses life better, then we wouldnt have to patiently explain to you in your own simple words "Wy it aint kool 2 beets peeepls up" PLEASE, leave NOW... Oh, and stop rutting anything not nailed down - we dont need you bringing any more mini thugs into this town.
You're really out of order - why should we leave our country because taxi drivers can't speak English - you've got a bloody cheek - my fathers gave all for this country and the taxi drivers have given?
I think its time you left the country Mike you obviously feel more comfortable with foreigners, or could you be a foreign taxi driver who can't speak English?
Posted by: dave on 11:05am Mon 12 May 08
re Major Blyth-Smith, 3rd Foot and Mouth - I also reported a racist post (probably one of those you refer to - its not rocket science), on Saturday - still up this morning - presumably such language is ok with the Argus then?
Posted by: dave on 11:10am Mon 12 May 08
Major Blyth-Smith, 3rd Foot and Mouth wrote:
i've reported a post i believe is racist, in fact i reported it last night (Friday)
It and others are still there :(


quote


I also reported a quote on Saturday morning which is still there tweo days later - does this mean that the Argus is happy to have such statements on this site?
Posted by: noyb, Brighton on 1:02pm Mon 12 May 08
The Argus should be ashamed of itself for publishing racist comments like this, publication of which was made illegal in the 80s. This is a 1970s newspaper failing to serve a 21st century city which is made up of all races and nationalities.
Posted by: william of orange, Brighton on 8:17pm Mon 12 May 08
Strange the Argus leave the odd racist comment above in (and I can see one (the 5th) thats clearly OTT) but delete a whole 20-30 comments on another post regarding the trainee Doctor being deported who is here illegally from Zimbabwe and has started a doctors course (probably at our expense).

Practically all of the comments supported his deportation and most were not racist....and suddenly they are all GONE!!

Makes me think several people are moderating for the Argus and all have different standards - or perhaps different political persuasions - which if you think about it isn't too far off correctly representing this mixed up crazy melting pot of a town - so maybe the Argus being inconsistent isn't a bad thing....
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