TEXT your pictures, videos and messages to 80360. Start your message with SUPIC or email your tip-offs »
10:04am Saturday 17th May 2008
Police have been accused of driving vehicles illegally on Sussex roads.
A police van with no wing mirror and a marked car with an illegible number plate were spotted on the same day in Brighton city centre.
Eagle-eyed Argus reader Joe Parker took photographs of the vehicles on Tuesday.
The van was parked on Western Road outside the Primark store, while the car was parked across two pay and display bays at the Old Steine.
Mr Parker, 22, of New England Road, Brighton, said: ìThe van has no wing mirror and the car has an illegible rear registration plate.
ìUs average Joes get pulled over for a faulty brake light, and yet the police think they can abuse their authority and drive about with similar faults.
ìDriving a van with a missing wing mirror like that is dangerous, especially with no rear view mirror. What if a child was cycling beside them?
ìIt seems it is one rule for them and another for the rest of us.î Brighton and Hove City Councillor Ben Duncan, who is a member of the Sussex Police Authority, said: ìIf there are breaches of any law, even if it is just traffic regulations, then the culprits must be held to account.
ìWe simply cannot have a situation where people think police officers are above the law.î The row comes just weeks after police were criticised for parking in a disabled bay at a supermarket.
Officers parked in the bay at the Marks & Spencer store at Holmbush, Shoreham, despite several other free spaces being available on April 24.
Police said the vehicle was being used to collect a shoplifter who had been behaving violently towards shop staff.
Speaking about the latest case, Steve Percy, of the People's Parking Protest, said: ìThe main thing here is that these vehicles are not technically suitable for the road.
ìYou or I would get pulled over and probably handed a ticket.
ìAlso unless there was an emergency, in both of these incidents the vehicles should have been given a parking ticket.î A spokesman for Sussex police said: "The van in question is one of our prison vans and was one of only two that were available that day.
ìDue to the necessity to deal with prisoners it was decided that the need to utilise it outweighed the fact that one of its mirrors was damaged.
ìThe defect has since been rectified, and was done so within three days of the damage being reported. The vehicle was not in a sufficiently dangerous state to make it unroadworthy.
"The car is one of our response vehicles and was responding to an emergency call at Royal York Buildings where we had received a report of a theft in progress, with offenders still on scene."
TEXT your pictures, videos and messages to 80360. Start your message with SUPIC or email your tip-offs...
Texts are free, but you will be charged your standard network rate.
macca, brighton says...
10:47am Sat 17 May 08
Plod, Sussex says...
11:05am Sat 17 May 08
MoP, says...
11:10am Sat 17 May 08
Oh dear....., Lancing says...
11:35am Sat 17 May 08
Rachel, hove says...
11:36am Sat 17 May 08
Here and There, there says...
11:51am Sat 17 May 08
PC Bha, Sussex says...
12:19pm Sat 17 May 08
Hoodie, Churchill Square B/ton says...
12:31pm Sat 17 May 08
Paul, Worthing says...
12:39pm Sat 17 May 08
Rachel wrote:Rachel, If on an emergency call police do not have to use their lights, only when necessary. Couldn't tell you if that car was on a job but sometimes it's easier and causes less of a problem keeping the lights off. Same answer for Here and There, don't know if the dog car on a job or not but maybe it was.
I was behind a police car yesterday and everytime he got to a red light he switched on his flashing lights and carried over them and then switched them off when he got to the other side. I saw him do that 3 times... Is this the normal way for them? or were they just being unfair?
Marcus, says...
12:50pm Sat 17 May 08
Matty, Brighton says...
12:51pm Sat 17 May 08
Alistair, Ardingly says...
1:20pm Sat 17 May 08
jo, haywards heath says...
1:38pm Sat 17 May 08
Brighton Biker, Brighton says...
2:10pm Sat 17 May 08
Ben Wheeler, says...
2:19pm Sat 17 May 08
Paul wrote:More to the point? Rachel,
Rachel wrote: I was behind a police car yesterday and everytime he got to a red light he switched on his flashing lights and carried over them and then switched them off when he got to the other side. I saw him do that 3 times... Is this the normal way for them? or were they just being unfair?Rachel, If on an emergency call police do not have to use their lights, only when necessary. Couldn't tell you if that car was on a job but sometimes it's easier and causes less of a problem keeping the lights off. Same answer for Here and There, don't know if the dog car on a job or not but maybe it was.
Bored with argus reporting, Bored says...
2:40pm Sat 17 May 08
bobby bigballs, Brighton says...
3:44pm Sat 17 May 08
elbowknees, 'five O!' 'five O!' says...
5:35pm Sat 17 May 08
Worker, Hove, says...
6:32pm Sat 17 May 08
jo wrote:It's great to know that people support us. Neither me or my colleagues are lazy or workshy - we don't have time!!
The public underestimate just how much the police do for us and anyone who slates them just because they are police are just childish and immature with no grip on reality. I for one respect them for putting their lives in danger for the safety of the public but just wish there were more of them out there and they had greater powers to give the stupid idiots they deal with a b*****y great slap every now and then. Some of those idiots appear to be posting on this comments section today. Try looking at your parents if you want someone to blame for your misery, they've obviously brought you up to be disrespectful scum.
Rachel, hove says...
6:46pm Sat 17 May 08
Ben Wheeler wrote:
Paul wrote:More to the point? Rachel, "I was behind a police car yesterday and every time he got to a red light he switched on his flashing lights and carried over them and then switched them off when he got to the other side. I saw him do that 3 times" Said Rachel! There are only two ways this is possible Rachel? One, You either followed the police car through the red lights! Or Two, Each time the police car had passed, you miracusly sat there patiently while the traffic lights went through a whole sequence without a single vehicle turning left or right and ending up between you and the police car! Which was it Please? Any police officers watching?Rachel wrote: I was behind a police car yesterday and everytime he got to a red light he switched on his flashing lights and carried over them and then switched them off when he got to the other side. I saw him do that 3 times... Is this the normal way for them? or were they just being unfair?Rachel, If on an emergency call police do not have to use their lights, only when necessary. Couldn't tell you if that car was on a job but sometimes it's easier and causes less of a problem keeping the lights off. Same answer for Here and There, don't know if the dog car on a job or not but maybe it was.
quote
dave, Brighton says...
6:50pm Sat 17 May 08
Ben Wheeler, Brighton says...
7:05pm Sat 17 May 08
Worker, Hove wrote:If the road had traffic lights every 200 yards? Then it would be one of the main roads with buses or trucks going along it every few minutes!
jo wrote:It's great to know that people support us. Neither me or my colleagues are lazy or workshy - we don't have time!!
The public underestimate just how much the police do for us and anyone who slates them just because they are police are just childish and immature with no grip on reality. I for one respect them for putting their lives in danger for the safety of the public but just wish there were more of them out there and they had greater powers to give the stupid idiots they deal with a b*****y great slap every now and then. Some of those idiots appear to be posting on this comments section today. Try looking at your parents if you want someone to blame for your misery, they've obviously brought you up to be disrespectful scum.
But there is no better feeling than making a difference to someone or getting the bully/scumbag off the streets. The more support we have from the public the better, and more successful we'll be!!!
I wish there was more of us too!
Ben Wheeler, Brighton says...
7:11pm Sat 17 May 08
Ben Wheeler wrote:Sorry, last comment should have gone on Rachel's last post, computer problem somewhere!
Worker, Hove wrote:If the road had traffic lights every 200 yards? Then it would be one of the main roads with buses or trucks going along it every few minutes!
jo wrote:It's great to know that people support us. Neither me or my colleagues are lazy or workshy - we don't have time!!
The public underestimate just how much the police do for us and anyone who slates them just because they are police are just childish and immature with no grip on reality. I for one respect them for putting their lives in danger for the safety of the public but just wish there were more of them out there and they had greater powers to give the stupid idiots they deal with a b*****y great slap every now and then. Some of those idiots appear to be posting on this comments section today. Try looking at your parents if you want someone to blame for your misery, they've obviously brought you up to be disrespectful scum.
But there is no better feeling than making a difference to someone or getting the bully/scumbag off the streets. The more support we have from the public the better, and more successful we'll be!!!
I wish there was more of us too!
Why don't you just name the road and give a time of day and save me the suspense, or report me to the police for slander, THEY MAY PROVE THERE WORTH TO YOU!
PC Plod, Brighton says...
7:12pm Sat 17 May 08
Not a copper before you ask, Hove says...
7:37pm Sat 17 May 08
Legs11 wrote:Maybe hoody doesnt like the Police because he is out committing crime and they are trying to stop that??????
So Hoodie has a verbally expressed opinion either learnt either from his peers or from observing the police in action, I don't know which! and anti-Hoodie wants to kick his head in!! You are the one that needs reporting anti. The police may be angry at this article but they don't seem to realize its double standards and hypocrisy that lead to one step forward and two backwards. As for the problems with the cars being trivial well its not! I say this because the police are involved in a lot of accidents and cause alot of deaths whilst driving and from comments here I now don't have much faith in their roadworthyness, and thats before some of the frankly appaling police drivers get in them. Like I said 1 step forwards " steps backwards do you ever wonder why Hoody has a low opinion of police officers?
Robert, Brighton says...
7:38pm Sat 17 May 08
Angela 2, Brighton says...
7:49pm Sat 17 May 08
Danny, Brighton says...
7:58pm Sat 17 May 08
PC Plod wrote:dont waste your breath mate its only small minded idiots posting the anti stuff on here. I bet most of them have been done for speeding recently, or no tax or mot or something. ignore it
Ha this is pathetic, are the people of Sussex really this bored that this is what they call news. Well Argus I have lost count of the number of times that i have seen your vans parked in controlled areas or stopped on yellow lines. So should i maybe in future get out of the car and give the culprit that has parked in the controlled area a fine for £60 and three points. Not everyone is perfect Argus. As already mentioned the Police had incidents which they were dealing and quite frankly if an officer requires a van for a prisoner that is violent then I think it is completely justified to go out with a van with one wing mirror or lets say jo public is getting assaulted and needs the Police how would he act if they turned around and said "i'm sorry sir our only available unit had an unreadable number plate, we will get to you later?". Rachel - you mention about the car going through the red lights, maybe there was a reson for that such as an emergency call, for example intruders in a premises if the police attend with light and sirens going Mr Burglar is going to think oh the police are coming.
Legs11, Brighton says...
8:49pm Sat 17 May 08
ACAB, hove says...
9:46pm Sat 17 May 08
Oh dear..... wrote:Blah, blah, blah....get a different job then plodboy.
Oh dear.....I am a serving Police Officer and worry what is happening with the world when articles like this are printed in the Argus. I dont think some people realise what we are expected to do. We ARE understaffed, very overstretched and expected to run a Police Force that is very near to braking point, but manages to work because the average officer goes far beyond what he or she is expected to do (overtime without pay, no meal breaks, long shifts, cancelled rest days and unable to take leave because we are so short of staff). As has been pointed out, the vehicle defects would have at most been subject to a VDRS form, and probably just words of advice if it was a private vehicle so the argument of one rule for us is rubbish. Yes the van should have a mirror, and in a perfect world we would have enough vehicles to cover a breakdown, but if you were waiting for that van to pick up a prisoner who may be violent, how would you feel if none were available? I will look for a proper space (difficult in most places) before I look for the burglar that is in your home, or deal with the violent shoplifter or even stop the fight in town on a Friday or Saturday night, just in case somebody takes a picture of my vehicle and complains that I am abusing my position. I think it has been made clear that all the cars involved were dealing with necessary jobs, and needed by officers, so I wonder what the issue is?
Joe Parker, Near London Road says...
9:47pm Sat 17 May 08
Laurie, Brighton says...
9:52pm Sat 17 May 08
explodtech, says...
12:32am Sun 18 May 08
Legs11, Brighton says...
2:07am Sun 18 May 08
jo jo, brighton says...
4:15pm Sun 18 May 08
go go, Brighton says...
4:31pm Sun 18 May 08
jo jo wrote:from my experience, thats usually what they do . . .
it would be nice if they rememberd this if they catch sombody doint 2 mph over the speed limit or some minor infringment a nice plecent by the way get it fixed and on your way with a smile
Dave, Sussex Coast says...
5:15pm Sun 18 May 08
Anti-Hoodie, Hove says...
7:18pm Sun 18 May 08
Angela wrote:Also such hoodies have to go around in large groups because they share half a brain between them! the term I use is "COLLECTIVE THINKING"
Legs11 wrote:A bit of sense at last.
Explodtech you\'ve convinced me that the cars are well maintained in general and to be honest I do know this since I\'ve been in a couple(before you ask -not as a perp) but sort out your prejudice you imply it is only the unemployed that are criminals and that is just rubbish, just like the hoodie argument by anti-hoodie.
But get it right, MOST people in normal employment dont habitually go shoplifting or steal alcohol from supermarkets. Yes, of course there will be an exception to the rule, but that simply proves the case that the majority of thefts like this are carried out by street drunks, drug addicts, and can work/wont work benefit thieves - in other words a lot of unemployed people.
'Anti-Hoodies' comments are quite correct as applied, namely in response to some brain dead little moron that somehow managed to use his computer to post his dislike of the Police - (I doubt if they like him a lot either).
Of course we all know that owning or wearing a hooded top does NOT make you a 'hoodie'- I certainly hope not as I have a number myself. The term 'hoodie' is generally used to describe youths of very low intelligence, that wish to draw attention to themselves by shouting, swearing, and generally using words they dont know the meaning of, in order to try impress their peers or mates who have an equally low number of brain cells. Their crudely strung together sentences more often than not end in the term 'innit', which of course means absolutely nothing in the context in which it is used - so its very appropriate. These outcasts of society are also known to participate in shop theft, and occasionally carry out 'happy slapping' attacks on people in the street, so long as they outnumber the victim by at least 4:1. Its always so gratifying when one reads in the paper of several of them ending up in intensive care for 6 months, after picking on the wrong person - I laugh my head off I really do.
Anyway to summarise - if the head inside the hood has almost no brain cells, the owner can be described as a 'hoodie'. Otherwise it is merely someone wearing a hooded top, which is totally different.
Alex, Brighton says...
8:25pm Sun 18 May 08
Dave wrote:Dave, please remember these 'small minded anti police bigots' (good description actually) are in fact a very very small minority (many of which are probably known to the police for other reasons). Sadly it is these sort of people that seem to have the time to post on here. Most people appreciate what the police do on a day to day basis despite the fact the courts dont do their job, and more concern in given to the 'human rights' of the criminal, than to those of the public.
I was a police officer for over 30 years, seemingly serving to the best of my ability what seems to me from reading some of the comments above, small minded anti police bigots - glad I don't have too anymore - what a load of ungrateful individuals you are - let's just hope you don't have to call for police assistance eh!
Leg11, Brighton says...
11:08pm Sun 18 May 08
Ollie, B&H says...
11:25pm Sun 18 May 08
Leg11 wrote:Oh - are you going?
I write on here to provoke some intellectual debate but there's no chance of that happening with you lot, so just go back to using your * button one more time.
bob, lewes says...
8:52am Mon 19 May 08
robbie, whitehawk says...
5:10pm Mon 19 May 08
bob wrote:im no police lover but its pretty flippin ovious that a van mirror could be broke at any time. what do you want . . . do you want the van taken off the road or something? i bet if you were driving back from work and your mirror got broke you wouldnt park up and wait for the AA to tow you home, and anyway they be telling you not to be so stupid. . .
The police posting on here with their sob stories is pathetic. They should realise that although these faults with their vehicles and driving may be minor, the message it sends out to the rest of us is that the law applies to us and not to them, how are we supposed to take the police seriously and how are they supposee to earn respect like that? If you dont like your job then get out, stop using it as an excuse when people rightly point out that you not doing as you preach..
Rob Baily, Lewes says...
5:55pm Mon 19 May 08
bob wrote:I can assure you Bob I am NOT a Policeman or anything to do with the Police (I work for a well known Building Company) but I can tell you that if I was a Policeman and you called me to deal with a load of yobs damaging your car, I would get to your address as soon as possible having of course first checked my tyre pressures, windscreen washer fluid, checked my road fund licence is up to date, and adjusted my mirrors correctly. Naturally, I would abide by all speed limits and give way to every other vehicle including buses and cyclists.
The police posting on here with their sob stories is pathetic. They should realise that although these faults with their vehicles and driving may be minor, the message it sends out to the rest of us is that the law applies to us and not to them, how are we supposed to take the police seriously and how are they supposee to earn respect like that? If you dont like your job then get out, stop using it as an excuse when people rightly point out that you not doing as you preach..
Joana, Lewes says...
9:37pm Mon 19 May 08
supergrass, wandsworth says...
11:11pm Mon 19 May 08
Joana wrote:I'd like to know where you grass up someone without a TV licence. A Copper that lives by me 'aint got one.
TO BOB FROM LEWES MANY LAWS DO ONLY APPLY TO US AND NOT THE POLICE. HOW DO YOU THINK THEY ARE ALLOWED TO EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT AND DRIVE THROUGH RED LIGHTS ETC ETC, YOU IDIOT. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE A PEST. I HOPE YOU DONT LIVE NEAR ME BECAUSE IM SURE YOU CHECK THE TAX DISC ON EVERY CAR IN YOUR ROAD EVERY MONTH, AND GRASS UP PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE A TV LICENCE.
Add your comment
Register for a FREE The Argus account and you can have your say on today's news and sport by adding comments on articles we publish. The best comments may even get published in the paper.
Please register now or sign in below to continue.
p, littlehampton says...
10:29am Sat 17 May 08