We carbon offset all of our travel, encourage staff to cycle to work by promoting government tax breaks, and partipate in local community events. We are a very community conscious company and are genuinely appalled that the council took it upon themselves to use draconian legislation that effectively criminalises companies for problems caused by a difficult to manage landlord.

Flytipping is offensive and unacceptable. Responsible local businesses being made into examples of does little to encourage community co-operation. Perhaps we should give up our two year fight to get secure cycle parking near our office, or complain about the 18 months of noise, dust and disruption that the north street road works have caused?

Brighton is a great city despite its administrators.

Arjo Ghosh, Chief Executive, iCrossing UK.

you sure this wasnt brighton dustman leaving it all behind

Arjo Ghosh wrote:
We carbon offset all of our travel, encourage staff to cycle to work by promoting government tax breaks, and partipate in local community events. We are a very community conscious company and are genuinely appalled that the council took it upon themselves to use draconian legislation that effectively criminalises companies for problems caused by a difficult to manage landlord. Flytipping is offensive and unacceptable. Responsible local businesses being made into examples of does little to encourage community co-operation. Perhaps we should give up our two year fight to get secure cycle parking near our office, or complain about the 18 months of noise, dust and disruption that the north street road works have caused? Brighton is a great city despite its administrators. Arjo Ghosh, Chief Executive, iCrossing UK.

What's any of this got to do with the fact that you were caught fly-tipping?

this sounds like a prankster ripped the bags open and strewn it all over the road, not the company. I hope brighton and hove council patrol the beaches and the streets prosecuting the idiots that leave burger wrappers and drinks cartons and beer cans all over the place, and the food joints that leave rotting rubbish out that all offends me.

Ghosh you are talking tosh. Your argument is one big non sequitur.

It's your rubbish and your responisibility. Littering is disgusting and we all need tough measures to protect the environment, from grass roots to national levels. In my view the fine no where near large enough.

so what will brighton council fine themselves. we sat behind a rubbish cart yesterday in woodingdean as it worked its way uo the road. the binmen didnt give a toss as rubbish was dropped out of the bins and the back as they made their collections. they even walked past the stuff several times as they went from bin to bin and couldnt be bothered to pick it up. What a fine example

good to see the CE explaining the background. But was there a contract or not? A caution would have be enough. It seems a case of "fly fineing" i.e. ad hoc random prosecution by chance.
council web site states

"If you are unable to demonstrate that you have given your waste to a registered waste carrier or taken it to a licensed waste site you could be fined an unlimited amount. If you give your waste to an unregistered waste carrier, they may be illegally fly-tipping the waste and you could be fined.
The council's waste enforcement officers have successfully prosecuted businesses in these circumstances."

Ghosh has come up with all the ghastly management speak which makes so many businesses such a joke. It's all the waffle of a bore in a wine bar.

The fact is that his firm - with its cheap and weary use of the letter i in front of Crossing - selfishly dumped rubbish on the highway. I should think that Ghosh's selfish behaviour means that anybody would be wary of using his firm's "services" (or whatever pretentious term he uses to describe them).

Andy R wrote:

Arjo Ghosh wrote: We carbon offset all of our travel, encourage staff to cycle to work by promoting government tax breaks, and partipate in local community events. We are a very community conscious company and are genuinely appalled that the council took it upon themselves to use draconian legislation that effectively criminalises companies for problems caused by a difficult to manage landlord. Flytipping is offensive and unacceptable. Responsible local businesses being made into examples of does little to encourage community co-operation. Perhaps we should give up our two year fight to get secure cycle parking near our office, or complain about the 18 months of noise, dust and disruption that the north street road works have caused? Brighton is a great city despite its administrators. Arjo Ghosh, Chief Executive, iCrossing UK.

What's any of this got to do with the fact that you were caught fly-tipping?

Agreed.

I wonder if I could avoid a speeding fine if I give money to charity each month.

Stop your whining, take the fine on the chin and stop littering our City.

Well said Argo. Once again it seems BHCC's answer to everything is to hand out fines to all and sundry. Parking problem? Fine everything that moves. Litter problem fine everyone. Just because the rubbish 'belonged' to iCrossing doesn't mean they were responsible for tipping it all over the streets. And Thermo is bang on - the dustmen in this city are appallingly slapdash! God I hate this council.

The City Council are always fining people and the Argus always reports it.
Then whatever company it is appeals, the Council back down, and the Argus ignores it.

Near where I work, the recycling bins havent been emptied for weeks, and the all the stuff people wanted to recycle has been left piled up next to the recycling bins.
As others have said the Council should fine themselves.

The Council are rubbish.

OK Fair cop HOWEVER a fine and £544.00 of costs for the council (i would want them to explain these) but what the zip is a £15.00 victim surcharge?

I think its a very sorry state of affairs in this day and age when a business is held responsable for managing what would be deemed as the waste disposal people from the councils responsability. So we actually have to hold their hand and make sure that they take the bags from the bins and dont leave them outside the premisis??? It is absolutely rediculous.

The council should instead of punishing a local business for their own blunder, pass blame and make it look like they are setting an example for such an issue, maybe look a little more into their own faults for waste management throughout this city. i walk to work in my mornings and Dustmen have left rubbish strewn across 10's of streets and watch in dismay as the dustmen just drive off and leave it there.

We have a serious issue with our council and the way in which they pass blame, especially to local companies who try their best to be what we would deem as 'green'.

Maybe we should all take this on board next time we consider our waste disposal and they way in which its managed? I wouldnt be surprised if this hasnt just set a presidence for us all to be fined when dustmen leave our waste outside our houses! Lets see if you are all so welcoming when you are stung with such fines......

I'd be interested to know how much the council fined travellers for dumping rubbish.
The council paid a contractor over £850,000 to clear up after travellers over three years.
However, local businesses and residents have to put up with a second rate service provided by the council's own workers.
Try phoning the council's 'contact centre' about problems with rubbish collections and they will very quickly inform you that it is your fault - bin in wrong place, wrong type of rubbish, wrong day etc - even if none of these are true. They are also very proud of how they have reduced bin crews from five to three which, they admit, means the binmen don't have time to pick up rubbish they themselves drop or spill.
Not to worry, we can all simply call the heavily-staffed 'contact centre' to complain. Brilliant.

Stuart wrote:
I think its a very sorry state of affairs in this day and age when a business is held responsable for managing what would be deemed as the waste disposal people from the councils responsability. So we actually have to hold their hand and make sure that they take the bags from the bins and dont leave them outside the premisis??? It is absolutely rediculous. The council should instead of punishing a local business for their own blunder, pass blame and make it look like they are setting an example for such an issue, maybe look a little more into their own faults for waste management throughout this city. i walk to work in my mornings and Dustmen have left rubbish strewn across 10's of streets and watch in dismay as the dustmen just drive off and leave it there. We have a serious issue with our council and the way in which they pass blame, especially to local companies who try their best to be what we would deem as 'green'. Maybe we should all take this on board next time we consider our waste disposal and they way in which its managed? I wouldnt be surprised if this hasnt just set a presidence for us all to be fined when dustmen leave our waste outside our houses! Lets see if you are all so welcoming when you are stung with such fines......

Er...no....you're wrong actually. It IS the business's responsibility. It's the law. You seem to be hopelessly muddled between domestic refuse collection and the procedures for dealing with business waste.

The desperate scrabbling on the part of this business and its defenders for someone else to blame for its own shortcomings is a wonder to behold.

OH MY GOSH.... SOUNDS LIKE iCROSSING IS OFFERING THE SAME SERVICE TO THE COUNCIL AS THEY GIVE THEIR CLIENTS....RUBBISH

Maybe this was an elaborate piece of link bait that went wrong! Gone from spamming up client sites to spamming up the streets, whats next from spammerworks?

I am an ex-Brighton resident and got do fed up with rubbish on the streets, caused by seagulls ripping the bags to shreds in the morning before we got up, dog sh*t on the streets and piles of vomit. I think Mr Ghosh was saying that this wasn't intentional, but happened due to reasons beyond their control. The fact that the article had to mention that the company was American was just spiteful. Mr Ghosh was trying to let the community in B&H realise the company he runs is not out to screw Brighton but to keep it Brighton

"genuinely appalled that the council took it upon themselves to use draconian legislation that effectively criminalises companies for problems caused by a difficult to manage landlord.
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Ah, shaddup. Your rubbish, your responsibility. If you don't like it perhaps you should put your rubbish in a bin and not leave it in bags on the street where it can get spilt!

"when a business is held responsable for managing what would be deemed as the waste disposal people from the councils responsability. "
As for you Stuart, it's not the Council's responsibility to collect their rubbish, idiot.

formally Spannerworks Limited

I think you meant "formerly".

"The fact that the article had to mention that the company was American was just spiteful."

Funny thing is America (and Oz for that manner) both generally have cleaner streets than Britain.

iCrossing & Arjo Ghosh provide over 100 people with decent jobs in Brighton where the only other real alternatives for young people are working in call centres or waiting tables.

If mistakes have been made then draconian reactions just make things worse and may mean that jobs go elsewhere as businesses relocate.

Finally a few of the posts knocking iCrossing seem to originate from sour competitors - Anon SEO in London, stand and be counted!

I like litter.