Brighton artist: 'Squatters beat me up' (From The Argus)

What! Those nice peace loving squatters who never cause any damage at all and are doing tremendous good by looking after long-disused buildings? Surely not.

Hey I'm sure these squatters are just there to highlight the scandal of empty buildings in Brighton eh?

How many stories like this will we have to read before the pro squatting group give up the pathetic lie about 'highlighting empty homes' ? It doesn't sound like the people who assaulted her her were 'the most vulnerable in society' either does it.

Back door? That'll be on London Road then?

police attended but she wasn't taken to hospital if beaten up police would have insited she go hospital be checked over usual argus blurring of fact and make believe reporting

"Pasha du Valentine"

What was your name before you changed it: Carol, Lynn?

But squatters are peace loving and just want somewhere warm and dry to stay. Maybe the cage fighter guy would like to take a look around this property?

freeranter wrote:
police attended but she wasn't taken to hospital if beaten up police would have insited she go hospital be checked over usual argus blurring of fact and make believe reporting

The police can't make you go to hospital against your own wishes ( unless they're committing you and that's a whole different kettle of fish ). If you're going to post something as fact it often helps if you make sure it really is a fact.

Fight_Back wrote:

freeranter wrote:
police attended but she wasn't taken to hospital if beaten up police would have insited she go hospital be checked over usual argus blurring of fact and make believe reporting

The police can't make you go to hospital against your own wishes ( unless they're committing you and that's a whole different kettle of fish ). If you're going to post something as fact it often helps if you make sure it really is a fact.

Yep agreed. Who has ever heard of a victim of an assault being forced to go to hospital by the Police? No me neither.

Blah blah "Squatters" blah blah "protecting empty properties..." Pretty clear these aren't squatters in the traditional sense of people moving into empty properties as they would otherwise be homeless but illegal party organisers who only ever wanted to abuse the building, as they stated, for a few days. Someone breaking into a shop at midnight isn't a "squatter" for the entire time they're in the premises so stop conflating people in need of housing with people who just wanted a free venue to throw an illegal party. (pretty stupid of her to apparently say "Oh, OK" when the intruders broke in & told her they'd be out in a few days rather than call police and/or lease owners to report a break-in)

Please could somebody explain how this works.

The article states this "In order to ensure the squatters leave the premises, a court would have to issue an eviction order and give them notice to leave".

And then goes on to say "Last night a private security firm used hammers and a battering ram to force its way through the property’s front door, which had been barricaded by squatters. The squatters, however, had fled earlier through a back door".

So did the court give authority to a private security company to enter the premises, and since when have these companies been using battering rams?

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
"Pasha du Valentine"

What was your name before you changed it: Carol, Lynn?

Quite funny that! Reminds me of Bubbles de Vere, from Little Britain.

Cash Cow wrote:
Please could somebody explain how this works.

The article states this "In order to ensure the squatters leave the premises, a court would have to issue an eviction order and give them notice to leave".

And then goes on to say "Last night a private security firm used hammers and a battering ram to force its way through the property’s front door, which had been barricaded by squatters. The squatters, however, had fled earlier through a back door".

So did the court give authority to a private security company to enter the premises, and since when have these companies been using battering rams?

Two different things - you need a court order to EVICT but it doesn't stop you using a security firm to allow you to gain access to your own property ( or a property you have a right to access ) without a court order.

AmboGuy wrote:

Fight_Back wrote:

freeranter wrote: police attended but she wasn't taken to hospital if beaten up police would have insited she go hospital be checked over usual argus blurring of fact and make believe reporting

The police can't make you go to hospital against your own wishes ( unless they're committing you and that's a whole different kettle of fish ). If you're going to post something as fact it often helps if you make sure it really is a fact.

Yep agreed. Who has ever heard of a victim of an assault being forced to go to hospital by the Police? No me neither.

Whilst it is true that Police would not force the victim of an assault to seek medical attention for wounds they claimed to have incurred during the assault, they would point out that failure to do so would doom any prosecution to failure.

Which begs the question, what REALLY happened?

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
"Pasha du Valentine" What was your name before you changed it: Carol, Lynn?

Yes, I thought it was a dreamt up name!!!!!

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
"Pasha du Valentine"

What was your name before you changed it: Carol, Lynn?

Says someone called lordenglanofsussex

no the police cant make you go hospital but it's the term beaten up which implies something horrific when it would seem (and no i dont know true facts) that wasnt case here as in order to charge someone with assault gbh etc the police would prefer a hospital report to beef up the prosecution case

ALL Squatters are scum. End of.

Infact if you read the wiki page on this woman. it states that she has suatted in buildings herself and agree's with squatting! although her daughter wrote the page for her 10% of it is true the rest pure fairy tale! *desperateforfame

Pasha Du Valentine De La Mare the Countess of Brighton and Hackney'
bit pretentious, nothing to do with art, just some sort of personal ego trip, how ever if she never had a job in her life and has never paid tax, where does her money come from, the peroxide blonde costs a bit or was that done as a freebee in the name of art

A nursery rhyme for our times:-

Our MP likes travellers a lot,
And all those nice people that squat,
But if they came to Chez Lucas,
She'd break out the bazookas,
And hit them with all that she'd got.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/User:Bringo
ntheink/Pasha_de_la_
Mare_du_Valentine
intresting read, states she was a squatter once, also states she works and donates frequently to charities

John Steed wrote:
Pasha Du Valentine De La Mare the Countess of Brighton and Hackney'
bit pretentious, nothing to do with art, just some sort of personal ego trip, how ever if she never had a job in her life and has never paid tax, where does her money come from, the peroxide blonde costs a bit or was that done as a freebee in the name of art

She is a patron of poundland and recently stated that, her fans has poundland to thank for her art (due to buying glue/paper/glitter) so I think that's where she must buy her peroxide although her eyesight must be going as she seems to have missed half her head of hair!

Fight_Back wrote:

Cash Cow wrote:
Please could somebody explain how this works.

The article states this "In order to ensure the squatters leave the premises, a court would have to issue an eviction order and give them notice to leave".

And then goes on to say "Last night a private security firm used hammers and a battering ram to force its way through the property’s front door, which had been barricaded by squatters. The squatters, however, had fled earlier through a back door".

So did the court give authority to a private security company to enter the premises, and since when have these companies been using battering rams?

Two different things - you need a court order to EVICT but it doesn't stop you using a security firm to allow you to gain access to your own property ( or a property you have a right to access ) without a court order.

Thanks............ Does this then mean if someone squats on your commercial property you'd legally be able to gather a group of mates and go round there and "ave it", I doubt this, or have private security companies some kind of legal right? Not trying to force an argument here, though I would like to know exactly how we stand on this issue.

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times:- Our MP likes travellers a lot, And all those nice people that squat, But if they came to Chez Lucas, She'd break out the bazookas, And hit them with all that she'd got.

Love it!

karma

What a great bit of PR, doesn't look like there's a scratch on her and now half of Sussex knows about her poxy paintings

Cash Cow wrote:

Fight_Back wrote:

Cash Cow wrote:
Please could somebody explain how this works.

The article states this "In order to ensure the squatters leave the premises, a court would have to issue an eviction order and give them notice to leave".

And then goes on to say "Last night a private security firm used hammers and a battering ram to force its way through the property’s front door, which had been barricaded by squatters. The squatters, however, had fled earlier through a back door".

So did the court give authority to a private security company to enter the premises, and since when have these companies been using battering rams?

Two different things - you need a court order to EVICT but it doesn't stop you using a security firm to allow you to gain access to your own property ( or a property you have a right to access ) without a court order.

Thanks............ Does this then mean if someone squats on your commercial property you'd legally be able to gather a group of mates and go round there and "ave it", I doubt this, or have private security companies some kind of legal right? Not trying to force an argument here, though I would like to know exactly how we stand on this issue.

Depends on what you mean by "ave it" !

You can legally force entry into your own commercial property without a court order. What you do after that is the key question and might lead to a breach of the peace.

Fight_Back wrote:

Cash Cow wrote:

Fight_Back wrote:

Cash Cow wrote:
Please could somebody explain how this works.

The article states this "In order to ensure the squatters leave the premises, a court would have to issue an eviction order and give them notice to leave".

And then goes on to say "Last night a private security firm used hammers and a battering ram to force its way through the property’s front door, which had been barricaded by squatters. The squatters, however, had fled earlier through a back door".

So did the court give authority to a private security company to enter the premises, and since when have these companies been using battering rams?

Two different things - you need a court order to EVICT but it doesn't stop you using a security firm to allow you to gain access to your own property ( or a property you have a right to access ) without a court order.

Thanks............ Does this then mean if someone squats on your commercial property you'd legally be able to gather a group of mates and go round there and "ave it", I doubt this, or have private security companies some kind of legal right? Not trying to force an argument here, though I would like to know exactly how we stand on this issue.

Depends on what you mean by "ave it" !

You can legally force entry into your own commercial property without a court order. What you do after that is the key question and might lead to a breach of the peace.

While I wouldn't normally get involved in Argus comments arguments 'Fight_Back' is talking tosh.

Using violence or threats to enter a property is a criminal offence under s.6 of the Criminal Law Act. Violence includes violence against property (even your own) so merely threatening to kick in the door would be covered. There are exceptions to this law – it doesn't apply to displaced occupiers (i.e. it's your home) and a recent MoJ circular claimed it no longer applies to residential property as a result of the criminalisation of squatting (though this is debatable).

Is it really necessary to rip this lady to pieces? She was the victim of squatters who assaulted her, and she was lawfully trying to enter the building which she was going to use as a charity art gallery....whatever her name or appearance I think you lot are well out of order..

Are these the same squatters who the police were thanking only a few days ago?

Oh fantastic. The supporters of these freeloading disgusting squatters can't condone (publicly anyway) what they've done so they'll just attack the victim here.

Lovely people, you must feel very proud of yourselves.

ruberducker wrote:
karma

INDEED!!!!

freeranter wrote:
police attended but she wasn't taken to hospital if beaten up police would have insited she go hospital be checked over usual argus blurring of fact and make believe reporting

No one can make you go to hospital...

This thread is an absolute disgrace. A local artist who has tried to set up a *not for profit* exhibition and has been physically attacked by squatters is now being ripped to pieces, vilified and demonised by posters on the forum of her local rag.

What does this say about Brighton? That it's not the vibrant, artistic community so many people love? That it's populated with vicious cowards who hide behind their computers hurling insults at a victim of crime?

What this victim's name is of no relevance to this case, nor is who wrote her Wiki (nearly *all* Wiki entries are written by friends, family or PR teams), nor is how she chooses to live her life. And bringing her grown-up children into it to insult her really is scraping the barrel.

This woman has been *attacked* for heaven's sake and now most of you are demonising her in an anonymous online feeding frenzy of hate. And why? Because she's more creative than you, she's more beautiful than you and she sticks her neck out to do something positive for the community of Brighton.

Oh, and for the record, seeing this woman on Come Dine With Me was one of the things that inspired me to go on the show and then win it. So stick that where the sun doesn't shine.

And meanwhile, what are you doing that's brave and positive? Nothing. You're no more than a howling medieval mob baying for the witch to be burnt at the stake.

With the exception of rayellerton, shame on the lot of you.

brightonissima wrote:
This thread is an absolute disgrace. A local artist who has tried to set up a *not for profit* exhibition and has been physically attacked by squatters is now being ripped to pieces, vilified and demonised by posters on the forum of her local rag.

What does this say about Brighton? That it's not the vibrant, artistic community so many people love? That it's populated with vicious cowards who hide behind their computers hurling insults at a victim of crime?

What this victim's name is of no relevance to this case, nor is who wrote her Wiki (nearly *all* Wiki entries are written by friends, family or PR teams), nor is how she chooses to live her life. And bringing her grown-up children into it to insult her really is scraping the barrel.

This woman has been *attacked* for heaven's sake and now most of you are demonising her in an anonymous online feeding frenzy of hate. And why? Because she's more creative than you, she's more beautiful than you and she sticks her neck out to do something positive for the community of Brighton.

Oh, and for the record, seeing this woman on Come Dine With Me was one of the things that inspired me to go on the show and then win it. So stick that where the sun doesn't shine.

And meanwhile, what are you doing that's brave and positive? Nothing. You're no more than a howling medieval mob baying for the witch to be burnt at the stake.

With the exception of rayellerton, shame on the lot of you.

I think that you really need to read some of the posts before making comments like that.

Oh, and thank you for blowing your own trumpet about embarrassing yourself on TV. I'm sure that a lot of people cared about that. Or promoting your friends, for that matter (not that I would suggest that you do.)

But, getting back to relevancy, your point was...

> I think that you really need to read some of the posts before making comments like that.

I read them all, Goldenwight, and yours was just a capital-lettered harridan shrieking demanding to know what really happened. No sympathy or empathy for the victim of this attack, so you're no better than the rest of them. Shame on you.

>Or promoting your friends, for that matter

On the contrary, I've never met the victim of this crime.

>But, getting back to relevancy, your point was...

...one you completely missed. You're not worth arguing with. Over and out.

Wouldn't it be nice to have some sort of balanced view on the topic, rather than the capitalist right-wing bias this neo-facist paper endocrinates.
Reap what you sow when it comes to readership though I suppose...

Think this ''Mike Weatherby'' has stuck his nose into a bit of a hornet's nest by pushing through a law designed to bring the desperate out of their desperation to fight back?
Now it's foreseeable that as more and more commercial premises are taken over, there will be a ''heavy'' presence with the power to resist. Especially if the premises squatted begin to become commercialised??

oh and her birth name was Sarnia Delamare....

John Steed wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/User:Bringo

ntheink/Pasha_de_la_

Mare_du_Valentine
intresting read, states she was a squatter once, also states she works and donates frequently to charities

Born in Helensburgh ], Scotland 1862. The eldest of two children to Dennis de la Mare,(poet, Royal Navy)

good ole wikipedia, how can these thugs beat up a 150 year old lady?

Number Six wrote:

lordenglandofsussex wrote:
"Pasha du Valentine"

What was your name before you changed it: Carol, Lynn?

Says someone called lordenglanofsussex

I'm Sure lordenglandofsussex did not do something as stupid as change his/her real name by deed pole to some ridiculous name such as Pasha Du Valentine De La Mare Countess Of Brighton And Hackney...

d river wrote:

John Steed wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/User:Bringo


ntheink/Pasha_de_la_


Mare_du_Valentine
intresting read, states she was a squatter once, also states she works and donates frequently to charities

Born in Helensburgh ], Scotland 1862. The eldest of two children to Dennis de la Mare,(poet, Royal Navy)

good ole wikipedia, how can these thugs beat up a 150 year old lady?

Think you'l find in REAL life her Mum was a 16 year old shop girl and Father was in the MERCHANT Navy when they met and got Pregnant with Sarnia.