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Brighton roundabout under review

Householders are to have their say on planned changes to a controversial roundabout.

Brighton and Hove City Council is looking to improve Seven Dials, to the north of Brighton Station.

The local authority claims it will increase road safety while making the area look nice.

But residents are coming together to ensure any changes do not have a knock-on effect on neighbouring roads.

They will meet in the old Xuma bar at the roundabout on Tuesday, October 30 at 8pm to discuss the project.

This is separate to council staff holding an outdoor exhibition the same day 3pm to 8pm, on the corner of Dyke Road to the south of the roundabout.

The consultation ends next Friday.

Consultation forms are available on the council website at consult.brighton-hove.gov.uk/portal/bhcc/env/seven_dials_consultation

For more details email sevendials@brighton-hove.gov.uk or call 01273 290487.

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8:51am Sat 27 Oct 12

BrightonHoveboy says...

Just another way for the anti vehicle council to introduce more congestion and pollution to our previously lovely town
Just another way for the anti vehicle council to introduce more congestion and pollution to our previously lovely town BrightonHoveboy
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9:42am Sat 27 Oct 12

Kate234 says...

Vote against it but don't expect the Greens to listen. Look at what happened with parking charges. The green party have one agenda - their own and ignoring what anyone else thinks. Everything the green council touches with cars turns to disaster. Local residents are dead right to be worried about what they will do. Just look at their track record. Wait until after the next election when hopefully the labour or conservative party can revisit the issue. Neither party could handle anything in the city in a worst way than the greens have managed to.
Vote against it but don't expect the Greens to listen. Look at what happened with parking charges. The green party have one agenda - their own and ignoring what anyone else thinks. Everything the green council touches with cars turns to disaster. Local residents are dead right to be worried about what they will do. Just look at their track record. Wait until after the next election when hopefully the labour or conservative party can revisit the issue. Neither party could handle anything in the city in a worst way than the greens have managed to. Kate234
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10:06am Sat 27 Oct 12

On_the_Level says...

The dials works fine as it currently is - just leave it alone or we will end up with another disaster like the Old Shoreham Road Cycle sham with it's queueing traffic and rat running.
The dials works fine as it currently is - just leave it alone or we will end up with another disaster like the Old Shoreham Road Cycle sham with it's queueing traffic and rat running. On_the_Level
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10:29am Sat 27 Oct 12

funkyyoyo says...

does anyone know of any law/rule/act of parliament where we as citizens of brighton can get these muppets out once and for all,do we need 100000 signatures for a mention in parliament???
does anyone know of any law/rule/act of parliament where we as citizens of brighton can get these muppets out once and for all,do we need 100000 signatures for a mention in parliament??? funkyyoyo
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10:38am Sat 27 Oct 12

shining star says...

yes funkyyoyo it's called 'voting'. Why doesn't one of your New Brightonion car hungry brigade invent a devise that allows you all to park ontop of each other and then again on top of that. That way you can treble your car ownership in a small space. I'm sure that's put the cat among the pidgeons eh. Wait for it. Ban all cars in the centre of Brighton and use things called legs.
yes funkyyoyo it's called 'voting'. Why doesn't one of your New Brightonion car hungry brigade invent a devise that allows you all to park ontop of each other and then again on top of that. That way you can treble your car ownership in a small space. I'm sure that's put the cat among the pidgeons eh. Wait for it. Ban all cars in the centre of Brighton and use things called legs. shining star
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11:15am Sat 27 Oct 12

ShorehamBeachcomber says...

Maybe they should make it Eight Dials, now that would be fun
Maybe they should make it Eight Dials, now that would be fun ShorehamBeachcomber
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11:26am Sat 27 Oct 12

leobrighton says...

Stupid comments as usual
Stupid comments as usual leobrighton
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12:09pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Plantpot says...

leobrighton wrote:
Stupid comments as usual
Yours being one of them.

The Dials plan will create congestion, pollution and frustration. Let's hope it doesn't happen..
[quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: Stupid comments as usual[/p][/quote]Yours being one of them. The Dials plan will create congestion, pollution and frustration. Let's hope it doesn't happen.. Plantpot
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12:20pm Sat 27 Oct 12

NickBtn says...

The key thing is to get people to take part and make their views clear. If you have objections say "no" - don't say "yes but..." as this will be taken as a yes

Lots of concerns about Lewes Road scheme but not enough people completed forms to say so.... now it appears (or can be spun) into overwhelming support....
The key thing is to get people to take part and make their views clear. If you have objections say "no" - don't say "yes but..." as this will be taken as a yes Lots of concerns about Lewes Road scheme but not enough people completed forms to say so.... now it appears (or can be spun) into overwhelming support.... NickBtn
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12:27pm Sat 27 Oct 12

MoronSpotter says...

funkyyoyo wrote:
does anyone know of any law/rule/act of parliament where we as citizens of brighton can get these muppets out once and for all,do we need 100000 signatures for a mention in parliament???
I wish people would stop maligning the Muppets. Some of them were pretty decent characters, and Statler and Waldorf often talked a great deal of sense. Get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]funkyyoyo[/bold] wrote: does anyone know of any law/rule/act of parliament where we as citizens of brighton can get these muppets out once and for all,do we need 100000 signatures for a mention in parliament???[/p][/quote]I wish people would stop maligning the Muppets. Some of them were pretty decent characters, and Statler and Waldorf often talked a great deal of sense. Get a grip. MoronSpotter
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12:34pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Having discussed the scheme with council officials, it transpires that part of the design intent is that by removing ALL the railings pedestrians will be encouraged not not use the zebra crossings but to stroll freely among the near stationary traffic.

How are we to set an example for our children that it is always safest to use a proper crossing with this sort of crazy free for all?

That the scheme is intended to congest and delay traffic as much as possible while displacing hordes along local side streets is a given.

As pointed out above, you must object strongly to this now if there is to be any chance of averting this catastrophe.

Similarly, there is only until 30 October to formally object to the traffic order for the Lewes Road buss lane fiasco, so get writing now.
Having discussed the scheme with council officials, it transpires that part of the design intent is that by removing ALL the railings pedestrians will be encouraged not not use the zebra crossings but to stroll freely among the near stationary traffic. How are we to set an example for our children that it is always safest to use a proper crossing with this sort of crazy free for all? That the scheme is intended to congest and delay traffic as much as possible while displacing hordes along local side streets is a given. As pointed out above, you must object strongly to this now if there is to be any chance of averting this catastrophe. Similarly, there is only until 30 October to formally object to the traffic order for the Lewes Road buss lane fiasco, so get writing now. Bob_The_Ferret
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3:14pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Surely not! says...

I am not a Green supporter by any means. However whenever I read the comments on stories like these I seriously consider voting for them next time simply because if they are upsetting the ignorant and backward looking they must be doing something right.
I am not a Green supporter by any means. However whenever I read the comments on stories like these I seriously consider voting for them next time simply because if they are upsetting the ignorant and backward looking they must be doing something right. Surely not!
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5:58pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Phani Tikkala says...

Wow you should see what they're proposing. It's going to be really really bad!

Single lane Dyke Road entrance to the Dials... so longer queues, more congestion, more pollution... as if the queues up Dyke Road don't already stretch as far as the petrol station thanks to the greens' retiming of the lights at Old Shoreham Road.

Still have the stupid pedestrian crossings right on each blind corner! Unbelievable! So much for improving safety!

And someone has paid a lot of money to someone to design this rubbish.

This is only going to make things much, much worse. Typical Green policy then!
Wow you should see what they're proposing. It's going to be really really bad! Single lane Dyke Road entrance to the Dials... so longer queues, more congestion, more pollution... as if the queues up Dyke Road don't already stretch as far as the petrol station thanks to the greens' retiming of the lights at Old Shoreham Road. Still have the stupid pedestrian crossings right on each blind corner! Unbelievable! So much for improving safety! And someone has paid a lot of money to someone to design this rubbish. This is only going to make things much, much worse. Typical Green policy then! Phani Tikkala
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6:04pm Sat 27 Oct 12

Phani Tikkala says...

PS Just to cap it all, one of the proposals is to make Vernon Terrace one way (only an exit from the dials, no entrance anymore) and replace the Vernon Terrace approach to the Dials with a cycle lane.

So, how do cars that usually use Vernon/Montpellier get down to the seafront/Western Rd? Either by turning neighbouring streets into ratruns or joining the queue past Brighton station? Or by going back to Hove and down Grand Avenue?

Wow, these Greens really are doing their utmost to stop cars getting into town. Time to stop them before they kill this City once and for all.
PS Just to cap it all, one of the proposals is to make Vernon Terrace one way (only an exit from the dials, no entrance anymore) and replace the Vernon Terrace approach to the Dials with a cycle lane. So, how do cars that usually use Vernon/Montpellier get down to the seafront/Western Rd? Either by turning neighbouring streets into ratruns or joining the queue past Brighton station? Or by going back to Hove and down Grand Avenue? Wow, these Greens really are doing their utmost to stop cars getting into town. Time to stop them before they kill this City once and for all. Phani Tikkala
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6:16pm Sat 27 Oct 12

getThisCoalitionOut says...

I was there today and tried to take a short cut up the side of the Good companions pub just to find some council **** have stopped cars turning right - so had to do a u-turn and rejoin long queue of traffic.

I'm amazed that the 7 dials has worked as well as it has for so long - I've only seen the odd accident there - a real miracle!

Saw one car zoom across today in front of everyone - amazing he got away with it, but he was lucky!
I was there today and tried to take a short cut up the side of the Good companions pub just to find some council **** have stopped cars turning right - so had to do a u-turn and rejoin long queue of traffic. I'm amazed that the 7 dials has worked as well as it has for so long - I've only seen the odd accident there - a real miracle! Saw one car zoom across today in front of everyone - amazing he got away with it, but he was lucky! getThisCoalitionOut
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11:21am Mon 29 Oct 12

StyleCop says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
I was there today and tried to take a short cut up the side of the Good companions pub just to find some council **** have stopped cars turning right - so had to do a u-turn and rejoin long queue of traffic. I'm amazed that the 7 dials has worked as well as it has for so long - I've only seen the odd accident there - a real miracle! Saw one car zoom across today in front of everyone - amazing he got away with it, but he was lucky!
...If you're saying you were trying to turn right up a one way street the wrong way, then surely that council official was in the right?

Perhaps I've misunderstood?
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: I was there today and tried to take a short cut up the side of the Good companions pub just to find some council **** have stopped cars turning right - so had to do a u-turn and rejoin long queue of traffic. I'm amazed that the 7 dials has worked as well as it has for so long - I've only seen the odd accident there - a real miracle! Saw one car zoom across today in front of everyone - amazing he got away with it, but he was lucky![/p][/quote]...If you're saying you were trying to turn right up a one way street the wrong way, then surely that council official was in the right? Perhaps I've misunderstood? StyleCop
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11:44am Mon 29 Oct 12

StyleCop says...

The point of this proposal is that its a consultation - it's not a bygone conclusion. Green Party or otherwise.

If you want to have a say, then get involved at the meetings and have an opinion...

A great deal of us in the area use this junction - but I'm sure not everyone uses the junction in all roles - Personally, as a resident in the area, (driver/pedestrian/c
yclist) I use the junction often and I've often been frustrated (in the capacity of a pedestrian), trying to navigate the 7 dials. Particularly if one is trying to go directly across the junction, from say, dyke road to dyke road (north/south) you have to navigate through up to 3 pedestrian crossings, (4 depending on which side of the street you want to end up on)

This, for me, is nonsense - and leads to some pedestrians attempting to cross directly over the roundabout with the traffic, which is crazy in it's own right, but not without logic. It's the most direct route... vehicles/bikes have that option so why not pedestrians?

Which is why I welcome proposals to change the junction. But don't agree with the current proposal as it still gives priority to vehicles.

Also, as others here have pointed out, this current proposal provides a potential 'free for all' - which has huge safety implications.

I've often pondered the logic of the siting of the pedestrian crossings, on (as someone else said) blind corners - they should be brought closer to the junction - again, why do pedestrians lose out in terms of priority and have to walk 10 - 20 meters up each road in order to cross?

In my mind, 3 things could happen at this junction with very little public money spent and very little disruption...

1. Reduce the speed limit on all approaches to 20MPH

2. Paint Cross hatching on the entire roundabout (making it a box junction)

2. Remove all barriers

3. Change Pelican crossings so that one button press would activate ALL crossings to turn RED to traffic

This will have the effect that very little changes, except ALL traffic is stopped at once - and ALL Pedestrians can cross the junction completely arbitrarily, to which ever side they wish.

The Montpellier Road Junction at Waitrose/Taj/Madhatt
er has this type of crossing, where you can cross diagonally - which is very useful as a pedestrian...

This solution could be tried for a while, see how it goes and if it's unsucessful revert it.
The point of this proposal is that its a consultation - it's not a bygone conclusion. Green Party or otherwise. If you want to have a say, then get involved at the meetings and have an opinion... A great deal of us in the area use this junction - but I'm sure not everyone uses the junction in all roles - Personally, as a resident in the area, (driver/pedestrian/c yclist) I use the junction often and I've often been frustrated (in the capacity of a pedestrian), trying to navigate the 7 dials. Particularly if one is trying to go directly across the junction, from say, dyke road to dyke road (north/south) you have to navigate through up to 3 pedestrian crossings, (4 depending on which side of the street you want to end up on) This, for me, is nonsense - and leads to some pedestrians attempting to cross directly over the roundabout with the traffic, which is crazy in it's own right, but not without logic. It's the most direct route... vehicles/bikes have that option so why not pedestrians? Which is why I welcome proposals to change the junction. But don't agree with the current proposal as it still gives priority to vehicles. Also, as others here have pointed out, this current proposal provides a potential 'free for all' - which has huge safety implications. I've often pondered the logic of the siting of the pedestrian crossings, on (as someone else said) blind corners - they should be brought closer to the junction - again, why do pedestrians lose out in terms of priority and have to walk 10 - 20 meters up each road in order to cross? In my mind, 3 things could happen at this junction with very little public money spent and very little disruption... 1. Reduce the speed limit on all approaches to 20MPH 2. Paint Cross hatching on the entire roundabout (making it a box junction) 2. Remove all barriers 3. Change Pelican crossings so that one button press would activate ALL crossings to turn RED to traffic This will have the effect that very little changes, except ALL traffic is stopped at once - and ALL Pedestrians can cross the junction completely arbitrarily, to which ever side they wish. The Montpellier Road Junction at Waitrose/Taj/Madhatt er has this type of crossing, where you can cross diagonally - which is very useful as a pedestrian... This solution could be tried for a while, see how it goes and if it's unsucessful revert it. StyleCop
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11:47am Mon 29 Oct 12

StyleCop says...

:) 4 things... not 3 - oops :)
:) 4 things... not 3 - oops :) StyleCop
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