Brighton and Hove Greens warn of pollution risk of Yuletide logs (From The Argus)

spragger wrote:
Who voted these noggins in? Middle class people full of angst?

Nick Brighton wrote:
Smoke Control Areas have been around since the 1950's, when they were introduced to deal with smoke that led to smog. They still exist, and for a reason.

Nick Brighton wrote:
Smoke Control Areas have been around since the 1950's, when they were introduced to deal with smoke that led to smog. They still exist, and for a reason.

sbiscorrupt wrote:

Nick Brighton wrote: Smoke Control Areas have been around since the 1950's, when they were introduced to deal with smoke that led to smog. They still exist, and for a reason.

Absolutely right... Which is why I'm wondering why the Greens are being politically suicidal in attacking a tradition that isn't exactly widespread in this country...

leach1527 wrote:
Please tell me .. is a yuletide log different from a run-of-the-mill ordinary log?

Joshiman wrote:
You may be a middle class Greenie with a title,but you will not be allowed to be addressed as the Baron.Your strange party says so.They should change their name to the Brighton Incompetent Party.

Smartbloke wrote:
Ah, the Argus-reading self-important retards are back out - hanging on every word of the Southampton-based, inbred Arsegas - screaming their bile every time the word 'Green' is mentioned.

How embarrassed must these Green-haters be to display such public declarations of ignorance and stupidity? How embarrassed must they be that Brighton is seen as at the vanguard of progressive politics, only for it to frighten them and their tender, self-harming egos?

If not, they ought to be. Argus readers are the very embodiment of the 'me, me, me' puke-stained culture blanket that they wrap themselves up in...

Smartbloke wrote:
Ah, the Argus-reading self-important retards are back out - hanging on every word of the Southampton-based, inbred Arsegas - screaming their bile every time the word 'Green' is mentioned.

How embarrassed must these Green-haters be to display such public declarations of ignorance and stupidity? How embarrassed must they be that Brighton is seen as at the vanguard of progressive politics, only for it to frighten them and their tender, self-harming egos?

If not, they ought to be. Argus readers are the very embodiment of the 'me, me, me' puke-stained culture blanket that they wrap themselves up in...

Smartbloke wrote:
Ah, the Argus-reading self-important retards are back out - hanging on every word of the Southampton-based, inbred Arsegas - screaming their bile every time the word 'Green' is mentioned.

How embarrassed must these Green-haters be to display such public declarations of ignorance and stupidity? How embarrassed must they be that Brighton is seen as at the vanguard of progressive politics, only for it to frighten them and their tender, self-harming egos?

If not, they ought to be. Argus readers are the very embodiment of the 'me, me, me' puke-stained culture blanket that they wrap themselves up in...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I walk along Brighton seafront with a trolley all the way to Saltdean and collect wood which gets washed up in winter storms. I then dry it out over a year and then burn it the following winter on my open fire to save me putting the gas central heating on. I also give some to a number of old folk.
Not only am I clearing the beach, but I am saving power.
My gran used to say, wood warms you three times, once when you collect it, once when you chop it and once when you burn it.
And could Ollie confirm that caroline Lucas MP has five homes and if so, are they occupied and if not, does she leave lights and heating on in the winter months to prevent burgalry and bursts.
I will be asking this question at the next election or when I next see her at a public event.
This rumour keeps circulating but not one Green posting on here has responded, although they post angry responses about other allegations.
Come on its a yes or a no.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I would also like to let Hjarrs know that blocking chimneys in old houses is one of the main causes of condensation and the increasing problem of damp and condensation in homes in the city. If it is a particulary cold period, you can place a chimney balloon in the breast which still allows for some airflow.
The Victorians and Edwardians built homes to allow airflow. Now we have these idiots wrapping up homes in double glazing, solid floors, blocking airbricks, lagging in roofs without the necessary air vents in many cases etc and then moaning that houses in B&H are damp. Then they buy dehumidifiers and plug them into the electricity to dry houses out or buy tumble driers. Then their kids get asthma.
Open up your chimneys and windows in winter and watch the moisture and damp disappear and do not let these scoundrels offering free insulation wreck your homes, they are NOT experts but people employed by energy companies to meet targets. many of the homes in the city do not even have cavity walls.
Open your homes, put a woolly on. Ignore the shrink wrap nutters.

HJarrs wrote:
Ah! The mock outrage of the trolls.

I don't think anybody was particularly bothered by the odd fire, but this growing trend of the the christmas fire must not be allowed to become a shift to burning wood on a large scale on open fires.

We have smokeless fuel zones for a reason (ironically, smokeless fuel is itself a terrible product environmentally). Lots of inefficient open fires buring wood will return us to the 1950s and an epidemic of bronchial problems, particularly for those lower in the valleys. It would be sad to see a stretched council having to employ busy bodys to patrol the streets monitoring fires.

Open fires mean open flues that, unless blocked, allow heat to constantly escape up the chimney, the fires themselves encourage draughts, burn inefficiently and deliver only a small proportion of heat generated into the room.

Get a smokeless zone compliant stove (75-85% efficient) fitted and consign the open fire to history. I am sat infront of one now, burning wood from the Wood Recycling Project, which creates jobs for locals.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I had a laugh recently when collecting wood on the beach. A typical grockle family came up to me and said: Are you collecting wood for an art installation?
I said: No, I'm burning it on my fire because I can't afford gas.
You should have seen their fair trade faces, it was like they had just wintessed Filipino children scavenging on a tip.

wippasnapper wrote:
next there be telling use not to rap our presents to save the trees or not to buy a real Christmas tree or not to put up to many lights to save energy – This is how it go’s with the snotty nosed GREEN bogies who may I add do as much prolusion as anyone ells in this city some drive CARS o’ and there thinking of chopping down trees in Stanmer park how GREEN is that & haw GREEN are they?
“But fair comment, this is why we introduced smoke free zones in the first place”.
What dote you have bonfires at this time of year in your eerier…
“It would be nice if everyone could act in a friendly and socially responsible manner”
What are you suggesting that the GREENS are more friendly and socially responsible, dear o’ dear you’ve not spent much time with any of the green party members I can remember a time when the X leader B.R. of the green council told other councilors to not take any notes of what use tenants where suggesting blatant disrespect of other peoples opinion plus L.W. try’s here best to push things through without consolation and even if they do have a consolation like the Lewes Rd according to there comments the majority of residents along the rout where for it as with most things the GREENS come up with the surprising thing is everyone seems to agree with there Apparels so why do we hear of so many complaints about what they are doing to our city ha explain that one

Cold cold ground wrote:

wippasnapper wrote: next there be telling use not to rap our presents to save the trees or not to buy a real Christmas tree or not to put up to many lights to save energy – This is how it go’s with the snotty nosed GREEN bogies who may I add do as much prolusion as anyone ells in this city some drive CARS o’ and there thinking of chopping down trees in Stanmer park how GREEN is that & haw GREEN are they? “But fair comment, this is why we introduced smoke free zones in the first place”. What dote you have bonfires at this time of year in your eerier… “It would be nice if everyone could act in a friendly and socially responsible manner” What are you suggesting that the GREENS are more friendly and socially responsible, dear o’ dear you’ve not spent much time with any of the green party members I can remember a time when the X leader B.R. of the green council told other councilors to not take any notes of what use tenants where suggesting blatant disrespect of other peoples opinion plus L.W. try’s here best to push things through without consolation and even if they do have a consolation like the Lewes Rd according to there comments the majority of residents along the rout where for it as with most things the GREENS come up with the surprising thing is everyone seems to agree with there Apparels so why do we hear of so many complaints about what they are doing to our city ha explain that one

I've got no idea what you are trying to say. Did you learn how to write at school. Try writing that again and check your spelling then maybe we will all be able to understand your point.

Smartbloke wrote:
Ah, the Argus-reading self-important retards are back out - hanging on every word of the Southampton-based, inbred Arsegas - screaming their bile every time the word 'Green' is mentioned.

How embarrassed must these Green-haters be to display such public declarations of ignorance and stupidity? How embarrassed must they be that Brighton is seen as at the vanguard of progressive politics, only for it to frighten them and their tender, self-harming egos?

If not, they ought to be. Argus readers are the very embodiment of the 'me, me, me' puke-stained culture blanket that they wrap themselves up in...

leach1527 wrote:
Please tell me .. is a yuletide log different from a run-of-the-mill ordinary log?

Andy R wrote:
This article is an absolutely wonderful example of the "take a routine piece of council business and blow it up into a phoney loony left furore" school of "journalism". (Clearly I need to think of a snappier title). For other examples google "baa baa green sheep", "Winterval" and "whiteboards".

Councils have had a responsibility to monitor air quality under government legislation going back to 1995. A quick online search reveals that Smoke Control Zones were being discussed in B&H council committees in 2008. If it's a "looney Green policy" now, presumably it was a "looney Tory policy" back then?

This city faces a major financial crisis, yet increasingly it seems that main local paper just isn't up to the job of reporting it.

Athena wrote:
The Greens are the new Puritans. These are people who are so straitjacketed in their thinking that they cannot understand or tolerate pleasure or freedom of thought and feel obliged to make people all think and act the same, which is the same way they do. They are somewhat uninformed, however (as usual), because open fires only went out of fashion in the 1960s with the advent of cheap central heating. Prior to that, man heated and lit his environment and cooked his food with open fires for several millennia.

Andy R wrote:

Athena wrote:
The Greens are the new Puritans. These are people who are so straitjacketed in their thinking that they cannot understand or tolerate pleasure or freedom of thought and feel obliged to make people all think and act the same, which is the same way they do. They are somewhat uninformed, however (as usual), because open fires only went out of fashion in the 1960s with the advent of cheap central heating. Prior to that, man heated and lit his environment and cooked his food with open fires for several millennia.

Dear me....what overblown b0ll0x. A real case of "I've got my narrative worked out and no way are any facts gonna intrude on that..."

Cold cold ground wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
next there be telling use not to rap our presents to save the trees or not to buy a real Christmas tree or not to put up to many lights to save energy – This is how it go’s with the snotty nosed GREEN bogies who may I add do as much prolusion as anyone ells in this city some drive CARS o’ and there thinking of chopping down trees in Stanmer park how GREEN is that & haw GREEN are they?
“But fair comment, this is why we introduced smoke free zones in the first place”.
What dote you have bonfires at this time of year in your eerier…
“It would be nice if everyone could act in a friendly and socially responsible manner”
What are you suggesting that the GREENS are more friendly and socially responsible, dear o’ dear you’ve not spent much time with any of the green party members I can remember a time when the X leader B.R. of the green council told other councilors to not take any notes of what use tenants where suggesting blatant disrespect of other peoples opinion plus L.W. try’s here best to push things through without consolation and even if they do have a consolation like the Lewes Rd according to there comments the majority of residents along the rout where for it as with most things the GREENS come up with the surprising thing is everyone seems to agree with there Apparels so why do we hear of so many complaints about what they are doing to our city ha explain that one

I've got no idea what you are trying to say. Did you learn how to write at school. Try writing that again and check your spelling then maybe we will all be able to understand your point.

redkite2012 wrote:
would be great to see just one of the anti-Greens actually read the orginal press release and apologise for their rants. Athena? Point? Nosferatu? NickBtn? Martha Gunn? Ripmaxman?? Doubt a single one of you has the nous/bottle to do so.

davedebrax wrote:
Reading these threads is a bit like going to the zoo.

I suppose that one good thing about the rabid anti-green lot spending hours in front of their computers writing all this angry paranoid nonsense is that it keeps them off the streets!

Thanks to the argus for this.

george smith wrote:
I saw logs for sale this morning at fiveways, it has three green councillors. Shocking

Athena wrote:

davedebrax wrote:
Reading these threads is a bit like going to the zoo.

I suppose that one good thing about the rabid anti-green lot spending hours in front of their computers writing all this angry paranoid nonsense is that it keeps them off the streets!

Thanks to the argus for this.

Do you understand what the word "paranoid" means? Why do you liken anti-Greens to zoo animals? Why do you assume anyone here spends all day on their computers (like you?) but can't find time to go out on the streets as well? If you are trolling, you don't do it very well. Your lack of actual political or factual content is noted.

davedebrax wrote:

Athena wrote:

davedebrax wrote:
Reading these threads is a bit like going to the zoo.

I suppose that one good thing about the rabid anti-green lot spending hours in front of their computers writing all this angry paranoid nonsense is that it keeps them off the streets!

Thanks to the argus for this.

Do you understand what the word "paranoid" means? Why do you liken anti-Greens to zoo animals? Why do you assume anyone here spends all day on their computers (like you?) but can't find time to go out on the streets as well? If you are trolling, you don't do it very well. Your lack of actual political or factual content is noted.

I am just winding you up, "Athena".
Get a life.
Off to the pub...

Nick Brighton wrote:
Smoke Control Areas have been around since the 1950's, when they were introduced to deal with smoke that led to smog. They still exist, and for a reason.

wippasnapper wrote:
next there be telling use not to rap our presents to save the trees or not to buy a real Christmas tree or not to put up to many lights to save energy – This is how it go’s with the snotty nosed GREEN bogies who may I add do as much prolusion as anyone ells in this city some drive CARS o’ and there thinking of chopping down trees in Stanmer park how GREEN is that & haw GREEN are they?
“But fair comment, this is why we introduced smoke free zones in the first place”.
What dote you have bonfires at this time of year in your eerier…
“It would be nice if everyone could act in a friendly and socially responsible manner”
What are you suggesting that the GREENS are more friendly and socially responsible, dear o’ dear you’ve not spent much time with any of the green party members I can remember a time when the X leader B.R. of the green council told other councilors to not take any notes of what use tenants where suggesting blatant disrespect of other peoples opinion plus L.W. try’s here best to push things through without consolation and even if they do have a consolation like the Lewes Rd according to there comments the majority of residents along the rout where for it as with most things the GREENS come up with the surprising thing is everyone seems to agree with there Apparels so why do we hear of so many complaints about what they are doing to our city ha explain that one

menton wrote:
Just how potty are these people? How many of them drive around polluting the planet while telling us not to burn logs? I have no car, but I WILL burn as many logs as I choose.

mictrix wrote:

Nick Brighton wrote:
Smoke Control Areas have been around since the 1950's, when they were introduced to deal with smoke that led to smog. They still exist, and for a reason.

stupid person

ghost bus driver wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
next there be telling use not to rap our presents to save the trees or not to buy a real Christmas tree or not to put up to many lights to save energy – This is how it go’s with the snotty nosed GREEN bogies who may I add do as much prolusion as anyone ells in this city some drive CARS o’ and there thinking of chopping down trees in Stanmer park how GREEN is that & haw GREEN are they?
“But fair comment, this is why we introduced smoke free zones in the first place”.
What dote you have bonfires at this time of year in your eerier…
“It would be nice if everyone could act in a friendly and socially responsible manner”
What are you suggesting that the GREENS are more friendly and socially responsible, dear o’ dear you’ve not spent much time with any of the green party members I can remember a time when the X leader B.R. of the green council told other councilors to not take any notes of what use tenants where suggesting blatant disrespect of other peoples opinion plus L.W. try’s here best to push things through without consolation and even if they do have a consolation like the Lewes Rd according to there comments the majority of residents along the rout where for it as with most things the GREENS come up with the surprising thing is everyone seems to agree with there Apparels so why do we hear of so many complaints about what they are doing to our city ha explain that one

Try learning to spell.

leobrighton wrote:
Arsegas