Council accused of driving out big bikes (From The Argus)
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Parking policy drives bikers away from Brighton and Hove
1:40pm Thursday 1st November 2012 in News
Stephan Heenan and his Harley
A biker has accused a council’s parking policy of driving petrolhead Harley Davidson riders away.
Stephan Heenan, 58, has had numerous run-ins over the past few years with traffic wardens because his Harley Davidson doesn’t fit in the bike parking bays.
However, Brighton and Hove City Council does not allow bikes in car spaces and Mr Heenan has been issued a ticket for parking his Harley in space intended for a car.
He said: “It’s ridiculous. I’ve done a fair bit of travelling on my bike and I’ve got friends all over the country and no other council I’ve come across stop bikers parking in car spaces.
“We have nowhere to go. They’re shooting themselves in the foot because a lot of bikers from around Europe come to Brighton in the summer and if they can’t park then they will go elsewhere.”
The parking restrictions led Mr Heenan to move out of the city to the Marina where he had an allocated off-road parking space.
Biker events
However, after losing his job he moved in with a friend in South Chailey.
He said: “I still like to go to Brighton to see friends and do shopping but it is near impossible to go on the bike.
“When I want to go to the butchers in London Road, instead of a ten minute ride I have to catch two buses each way at a cost of £8. A round trip will take me three to four hours. It will stop people going into Brighton. The city is also a popular destination and I think it is particularly damaging for tourism.
“In summer you will see Germans on their Goldwings riding round and round looking for somewhere to park. In the end they will stop coming.”
A council spokeswoman said that they provide dedicated motorcycle bays in an attempt to minimise damage to the vehicles.
She added: “Brighton & Hove has a track record of welcoming motorcyclists to the city, hosting regular annual events such as the Pioneer Motorcycle Run, the Ace Café Reunion and Brightona.
“Motorcycle parking provision throughout the city has been steadily increasing over the years, and whenever we implement new controlled parking zones motorcycle bays are proposed in the majority of roads.”
However, she added that motorcycle parking would be reviewed as part of the Citywide Parking Review next year.
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Comments(23)
Maxwell's Ghost
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1:59pm Thu 1 Nov 12
Therefore, soon residentswill only have one option and that is to use the monopoly bus service which is also being granted huge parts of raods which are actually State owned.
It's similar to the great Tory sell-off of nationalised industries and council homes.
The Greens are right wing.
juleshove
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2:23pm Thu 1 Nov 12
Crystal Ball
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2:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12
gusset snatcher wrote:That behaviour is not conducive to a true "biker". That said, Harleys are for poseurs and people who know little about actual motorcycles.
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
Steve Heenan
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5:04pm Thu 1 Nov 12
Crystal Ball I've been riding bikes since I was 16. I suggest both of you go to the Caroline of Brunswick pub on a Thursday evening or 6 Bells at Chidingly on a Sunday and voice your opinions about Harley riders, but I'm sure you won't as you're obviously both cowards coz you use fake names.
BrightonHoveboy
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5:43pm Thu 1 Nov 12
juleshove wrote:well, personally, I would think the small businesses of the area are gratefil for the bikers, to say nothing of The Sussex Heart Charity who are the beneficiaries of Brightona(Brightona Charity Riders), who, through BIKERS have raised almost £200,000 at their events over the last nine years.
Good news if true, who wants those noisy motorbikes here !
So, juleshove, do you know anyone who has had heart trauma? No? Yes? WEll, thats BIKERS for you, always digging in their pockets for others.
So, to answer your question, I WANT MOTORBIKES HERE
Lex-Angel
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7:23pm Thu 1 Nov 12
birthofanorange
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7:31pm Thu 1 Nov 12
GixerNick
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10:37pm Thu 1 Nov 12
gusset snatcher wrote:Maybe I went past you on the A259 tonight - will make sure that I give the bike an extra rev tomorrow - just for you x
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
lorrie1
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10:41pm Thu 1 Nov 12
I do though agree that these bikes make FAR to much noise. If my car was that loud id be getting pulled over every five mins.
funkyyoyo
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12:32am Fri 2 Nov 12
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:the greens are a waste of tax payers money too!!
Slightly inaccurate, the council is actuall driving all forms of transport out except the 150 cyclists in town (I am one of them) and the monopoly private, profit making bus company owned by private shareholders. Therefore, soon residentswill only have one option and that is to use the monopoly bus service which is also being granted huge parts of raods which are actually State owned. It's similar to the great Tory sell-off of nationalised industries and council homes. The Greens are right wing.
nocando
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9:32am Fri 2 Nov 12
lorrie1 wrote:loud pipes save lives. Motorists and pedestrians don't look out for bikes and accidents happen. If they can't see us then we help them out by making sure they can hear us.
Brighton and Hove council wont be happy until there are NO cars or motorbikes allowed in the city.
I do though agree that these bikes make FAR to much noise. If my car was that loud id be getting pulled over every five mins.
If your car was as noisy as my bike then you'd probably have a hole in your exhaust and should consider replacing it at the earliest opportunity.
_Mitch_
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10:38am Fri 2 Nov 12
gusset snatcher wrote:The only reason why some of us use full beam when filtering (or rev the engines) is because most people in cars have no clue what the drivers' side mirror is for – the amount I see that are folded up while the car is being driven is astonishing – It is so we can be seen and heard.
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen cars pulling across in front of me – while filtering – without looking.
That's why I always ride a bike with twin (bright) headlights. Much better than so-called hi-viz, which isn't.
If car drivers learned to use the wing mirrors instead of just their rear view, we wouldn't have the problem.
Better still, motorcyclists are taught to use a 'lifesaver' check over their right shoulder before overtaking – may
be car drivers ought to try it... might save a few lives.
_Mitch_
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10:42am Fri 2 Nov 12
Btnbiker
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11:26am Fri 2 Nov 12
Crystal Ball
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11:27am Fri 2 Nov 12
Steve Heenan wrote:What an amazing assessment made via the medium of an online public forum. Tool.
gusset snatcher you poor sad individual, you are reffering to racing bikes who I quite agree SOME are idiots.
Crystal Ball I've been riding bikes since I was 16. I suggest both of you go to the Caroline of Brunswick pub on a Thursday evening or 6 Bells at Chidingly on a Sunday and voice your opinions about Harley riders, but I'm sure you won't as you're obviously both cowards coz you use fake names.
Martha Gunn
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11:34am Fri 2 Nov 12
Number Six
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1:20pm Fri 2 Nov 12
_Mitch_ wrote:My first cars didn't actually have wing mirrors. They were an accessory I fitted myself. Mind you, I don't remember bikes passing on the inside.
gusset snatcher wrote:The only reason why some of us use full beam when filtering (or rev the engines) is because most people in cars have no clue what the drivers' side mirror is for – the amount I see that are folded up while the car is being driven is astonishing – It is so we can be seen and heard.
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen cars pulling across in front of me – while filtering – without looking.
That's why I always ride a bike with twin (bright) headlights. Much better than so-called hi-viz, which isn't.
If car drivers learned to use the wing mirrors instead of just their rear view, we wouldn't have the problem.
Better still, motorcyclists are taught to use a 'lifesaver' check over their right shoulder before overtaking –&
nbsp;may
be car drivers ought to try it... might save a few lives.
I'm not sure that side mirrors are compulsory and they might be folded in because we don't want a motor bike flashing past and whacking them. Just a thought!
Speaking personally, I'm usually a bit busy looking where I'm actually going
_Mitch_
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1:39pm Fri 2 Nov 12
Number Six wrote:So does that mean you don't check to see anything's coming alongside you when you're driving down the road before you overtake?
_Mitch_ wrote:My first cars didn't actually have wing mirrors. They were an accessory I fitted myself. Mind you, I don't remember bikes passing on the inside.
gusset snatcher wrote:The only reason why some of us use full beam when filtering (or rev the engines) is because most people in cars have no clue what the drivers' side mirror is for – the amount I see that are folded up while the car is being driven is astonishing – It is so we can be seen and heard.
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen cars pulling across in front of me – while filtering – without looking.
That's why I always ride a bike with twin (bright) headlights. Much better than so-called hi-viz, which isn't.
If car drivers learned to use the wing mirrors instead of just their rear view, we wouldn't have the problem.
Better still, motorcyclists are taught to use a 'lifesaver' check over their right shoulder before overtaking –&
amp;
nbsp;may
be car drivers ought to try it... might save a few lives.
I'm not sure that side mirrors are compulsory and they might be folded in because we don't want a motor bike flashing past and whacking them. Just a thought!
Speaking personally, I'm usually a bit busy looking where I'm actually going
Who said anything about bikes passing on the inside? Maybe when the bus lanes are open to bikes...
nocando
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5:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12
Number Six wrote:Well, if you're too busy looking in front of you to bother checking your mirrors then you shouldn't really be in charge of a car. You're an idiot and an accident waiting to happen.
_Mitch_ wrote:My first cars didn't actually have wing mirrors. They were an accessory I fitted myself. Mind you, I don't remember bikes passing on the inside.
gusset snatcher wrote:The only reason why some of us use full beam when filtering (or rev the engines) is because most people in cars have no clue what the drivers' side mirror is for – the amount I see that are folded up while the car is being driven is astonishing – It is so we can be seen and heard.
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen cars pulling across in front of me – while filtering – without looking.
That's why I always ride a bike with twin (bright) headlights. Much better than so-called hi-viz, which isn't.
If car drivers learned to use the wing mirrors instead of just their rear view, we wouldn't have the problem.
Better still, motorcyclists are taught to use a 'lifesaver' check over their right shoulder before overtaking –&
amp;
nbsp;may
be car drivers ought to try it... might save a few lives.
I'm not sure that side mirrors are compulsory and they might be folded in because we don't want a motor bike flashing past and whacking them. Just a thought!
Speaking personally, I'm usually a bit busy looking where I'm actually going
Nick_H_is_the_one
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6:56pm Fri 2 Nov 12
However to get us back on stream the parking is appalling in Brighton and Hove.
I have a suggestion, based on what I have done whilst driving a minibus for disabled youngsters, do away with disabled parking bays, turn them over to motorcycle parking.
The reason? You can park anywhere with a blue badge. Remember I was driving a dirty great Iveco minibus with tail access so I needed clear access something that is rarely available in a disabled bay. It would free up a lot of extra parking for motorcycles. Wouldn't impinge on cage drivers' parking spots and is easy to implement as the City has so few decent bike sized bays.
The other choice is to get rid of the buses and make the bus-lanes into parking for everyone :D
Number Six
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2:55pm Sat 3 Nov 12
nocando wrote:You're calling me an idiot? Oh, delicious irony.
Number Six wrote:Well, if you're too busy looking in front of you to bother checking your mirrors then you shouldn't really be in charge of a car. You're an idiot and an accident waiting to happen.
_Mitch_ wrote:My first cars didn't actually have wing mirrors. They were an accessory I fitted myself. Mind you, I don't remember bikes passing on the inside.
gusset snatcher wrote:The only reason why some of us use full beam when filtering (or rev the engines) is because most people in cars have no clue what the drivers' side mirror is for – the amount I see that are folded up while the car is being driven is astonishing – It is so we can be seen and heard.
I have to say.... GOOOOOOOODDDDD.... GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A CHANGE.. idiots that drive down the middle of the road with headlights on full beam revving the sh*t out of their engines.... utter load of pr*cks
I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen cars pulling across in front of me – while filtering – without looking.
That's why I always ride a bike with twin (bright) headlights. Much better than so-called hi-viz, which isn't.
If car drivers learned to use the wing mirrors instead of just their rear view, we wouldn't have the problem.
Better still, motorcyclists are taught to use a 'lifesaver' check over their right shoulder before overtaking –&
amp;
amp;
nbsp;may
be car drivers ought to try it... might save a few lives.
I'm not sure that side mirrors are compulsory and they might be folded in because we don't want a motor bike flashing past and whacking them. Just a thought!
Speaking personally, I'm usually a bit busy looking where I'm actually going
I tend to concern myself with what's happening in front of me because I'm going forwards and I don't actually want to hit anything. I'm funny about that sort of thing. I'm not usually concerned with people who think that they are far to important to wait in a queue of traffic.
As for your fatuous comment about accident waiting to happen perhaps you may want think before opening your mouth. After all, forty years is a long wait, don't you think
Steve Heenan
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3:48pm Sat 3 Nov 12
gusset snatcher says...
1:58pm Thu 1 Nov 12