Living in hope of a living wage in Brighton and Hove

Barman Jason Rogers earns the minimum wage Barman Jason Rogers earns the minimum wage

By Neil Vowles, Amira Elbayouk and John Keenan

Barman Jason Rogers earns just £6.20 an hour at Pub du Vin in Ship Street, Brighton, one of the city’s top watering holes.

He says his current minimum wage job barely pays the bills and he is forced to work long hours to finance his lifestyle.

The 27-year-old said: “I work 50 hours a week and most of my wages goes on my rent.

“I share a house in Woodingdean and of course I would like to own my own house one day but prices are very expensive.

“I would definitely benefit from the introduction of the Living Wage if my employer could afford it.”

But his bosses are not among the businesses and institutions in the city clamouring for the introduction of a Living Wage of £7.19 an hour.

Pub du Vin argues that while the wage increase would benefit some, it would be even more harmful to others.

Phil Lewis, general manger at the Hotel du Vin and Pub du Vin, said he would have to lay staff off if he introduced the Living Wage.

He said: “My payroll is a percentage of my turnover and I have to stick to my targets. I would have to lose four jobs if we introduced the Living Wage.”

Fair pay

How to calculate a fair day’s pay is no easy matter as those pushing for a Living Wage to be introduced in the city are finding out.

Currently employers are being urged to pay their workers a pound more than just the minimum wage of £6.19 per hour for those aged 21 and over.

But many campaigners and workers feel that even this salary falls well short of what is really needed.

The Argus spoke to several workers who said they were finding it hard to make ends meet on low wages in Brighton and Hove, with its high living costs, rental and property prices and with inflation on the rise.

A Living Wage would, campaigners argue, bolster the pay packets of tens of thousands of workers with almost one in five of employees in Brighton and Hove currently paid less than £7.19 an hour.

The large majority of these lower-paid jobs are in the private sector with almost one in four receiving less than £7.19 an hour. This works out at nearly 20,000 workers in the city.

Many of these jobs are in the city’s key employment sectors such as retail and tourism.

'Unsustainable'

This week the Tourism Alliance representing some of Brighton and Hove’s top hotels, restaurants and tourist attractions, said it would resist the calls for the Living Wage despite top employers Brighton and Hove City Council, Brighton and Hove Bus Company and Brighton and Hove Albion already signing up to it.

Members, who include Palace Pier, Sealife Centre and Brighton Metropole, have warned that there could be significant job losses if they were to sign up to the Living Wage and that some business would become “unsustainable”.

A member, who asked to remain anonymous, said: “I can confirm that as a great deal of our team are currently earning less than the suggested Living Wage this would certainly have a significant impact in terms of our future structure.”

The benefits of the Living Wage include more staff loyalty and reduced leaving rates, according to a new study of the policy in London, where it was introduced in 2005.

A report by poverty charity Trust for London revealed more than half of those in Living Wage workplaces felt better about their employment after it was introduced and felt more loyal towards their employer with staff leaving rates falling by 25%.

Low-paid staff costs increased on average by a quarter in these firms, but the overall additional cost to companies was just 6% because of related savings, such as employees being more productive.

Green pledge

The introduction by the Green administration at Brighton and Hove City Council of the Living Wage last year raised 340 employees’ wages at a cost of £180,000 a year.

The Living Wage in London is currently £8.30 compared to £7.19 in Brighton and Hove and elsewhere around the country.

But many of the measures of living costs put Brighton and Hove level with the capital.

Housing charity Shelter’s index of housing affordability shows that the ratio of housing costs to pay is 50% higher in the city than the UK average and substantially higher even than in some London boroughs.

When exploring the introduction of the Living Wage a Brighton and Hove City Council report concluded that the Living Wage in the city would come out higher than the national rate at either £7.47 or £8.31 depending on assumptions made about accommodation.

However, with such a high number of low-paid workers in the city’s key retail and tourism sectors, even the leading advocates of the Living Wage conceded it would be unlikely that the London weighted Living Wage could be introduced here.

Nevertheless, it is expected that in the next few months the Living Wage Foundation will recommend the limit should be increased in the city by 30p to £7.50.

Business sense

If current Living Wage employers want to maintain their current accreditation they would have to meet the foundation’s recommendation.

Brighton and Hove City Council said the council was leading the way by cutting the new chief executive’s salary by 10 per cent. Penny Thompson, who will take up her post next month, will earn £150,000.

A spokeswoman added: “The Living Wage Foundation reviews the Living Wage level every year and given the increasing cost of living the recommended Living Wage is likely to be raised.

“The council is awaiting an announcement and once this has been made public, will consider the costs and benefits of working towards paying any new rate.

Councillor Jason Kitcat, leader of Brighton and Hove City Council, said: “Paying the Living Wage is the right thing to do and makes good business sense.

“Through the work of the local Living Wage Commission and the Brighton and Hove Chamber of Commerce, many businesses said that they agreed with the principle of working towards £7.20 as a local living wage in Brighton & Hove, and I’m looking forward to an exciting campaign by the local Chamber of Commerce to support businesses to make this change.

“It’s National Living Wage Week next week, and we look forward to more employers signing up and greater awareness of the benefits of paying the living wage.”

Brighton is expensive and difficult to live in – it’s like living in London

Isaac Sydenham, 17, was paid £7.50 an hour at warranty provider Domestic and General in Queen Square House, Brighton.

The generous wage was almost double the minimum wage for his age and he worked there five days a week, for seven and a half hours a day.

After paying out £560 for rent and then tax and bills, he was left with just £40 for food and living.

He said: “Even on those wages, I can’t buy new clothes and can’t go out.

“Because I don’t have any money to spend, it’s had a massive effect on my social life.”

Brighton is expensive and difficult to live in – it’s like living in London.”

If I was paid more it would encourage me to work harder

WHSmith employee Toby Cable, 18, is paid £5.50 an hour, again above the minimum wage, to work for the newsagents.

Like many youngsters, the high cost of living in the city means that Toby has no option but to continue living with his parents.

He said: “I just wouldn’t be able to move out if I only had this income and didn't have any support from parents.

“I can go out but in a city like Brighton my options are quite restricted.

“I like my job but if I was paid more I could start thinking about moving out after saving up for a few months first and it would encourage me to work harder.”

Comments(40)

onethreeonetwo says...
8:10am Fri 2 Nov 12

I am currently working for a well known high street retail store. I am 20, and paid £4.98 an hour. This is legal, as this is the minimum wage for under 21s. My other colleagues are all paid minimum wage at £6.19 an hour for doing the exact same job. I still have to pay the same for food, travel, necessities, going out, bills. Why should I be paid less?
It is retail work, age doesn't make a difference to how we perform on the shop floor, it shouldn't make such a drastic difference to our pay.

Maxwell's Ghost says...
8:13am Fri 2 Nov 12

And that's why Brighton and Hove has a large number of foreign workers who will live packed into really poor grade slum housing who will work for the poor money and The Argus will find that the majority of higher earners work outside the city and use vehicles to get to work or are trades, builders, tilers etc and until the greens understand that and stop strangling the motorist the situation could get worse.
There have never been high salaries in the city which has always been a service industry and tourism area.
And the fact that the city is in the affluent south east but has an area identified by the Government as officially deprived, East Brighton, is a clear demonstration of really how poor the city is.
Whatever you do Greens, be very careful of not driving out the high earners and drivers because you could find even more of your housing stock left to absent landlords and the creation of transient communities.

Warren C says...
8:22am Fri 2 Nov 12

Companies that pay low wages just push their costs onto the taxpayer through tax credits and housing benefit.

ShorehamBeachcomber says...
8:35am Fri 2 Nov 12

If he can't pull in a tip an hour in that posh pub (£50+ a week) he's in the wrong job

All lefties Smell says...
8:42am Fri 2 Nov 12

Of course the council would sign up to this, they don't mind wasting our tax money whilst crying poverty and demanding a council tax rise and increasing parking costs.

Don't they understand, they are meant to be making cuts not increasing outlay.

Morpheus says...
8:52am Fri 2 Nov 12

This report sums up the problem today. A lot of business activity does not generate enough profit to pay a wage that provides a decent standard of living. In the west, where there is so much to do and tempting consumer goods everywhere, expectations usually exceed ability to pay. One big problem raised here is the high cost of accommodation but only recently we were told that the economy was recovering because house prices were increasing again. This is precisely what we do not want. House prices have to fall significantly but there are many who would find themselves in negative equity so it will not happen. The economy has been allowed to get completely out of control by politicians who think that growth is wonderful and by unions who try to force wages up to levels that are not sustainable. Both parties have contributed to the mess that we now have.

Hove Actually says...
9:12am Fri 2 Nov 12

The introduction by the Green administration at Brighton and Hove City Council of the Living Wage last year raised 340 employees’ wages at a cost of £180,000 a year.

So they raised the wages of 340 by £10 per week or to put it another way 25p per hour or considerably less than they spend on tea and biscuits or political agendas that serve no-one

saveHOVE says...
9:15am Fri 2 Nov 12

The cost of a decent standard of living is dictated almost completely by the cost of housing these days.

No more than a quarter of income used to be needed for rent or mortgage. Now it is as much as 3/4 for some people.

Housing turned into a gambling chip and government coined the term "housing ladder" and made it de rigeur to be on it, trying to get on it. Not interested: not a worthwhile human being. And for those doing it, the rewards were collossal. Capital Gains Free trading of a home made it a way of living for too many.

Now housing is said to be in short supply. Rent controls need to be put back in place and the drop in housing values needs to be allowed to happen to restore normality.

And chopping shareable-sized properties into itty bitty studios for half a person must be stopped. Because families, singles, couples, etc. need to be able to live together.

Daily Mail today has an article about the rise and rise of singles in dwellings. Well too many dwelling will only support a single person. CELLS, they are!

And living alone has to stop being seen as a status symbol by young people leaving home. Its not. Its a financial millstone round your neck. Flatsharing for the young used to be the norm and provided an amazing start to independent adult life - parties, bill-sharing, fast-lane to meeting loads of people. So worthwhile. So not for encouraged anyone anymore because now it means taking housing a family needs.

We have lost the plot.

wietraurig says...
9:16am Fri 2 Nov 12

Perhaps the Argus and the Council could publish a regularly-updated list of local businesses which pay the living wage, and those which do not, to enable their customers to vote with their feet. I for one will certainly be avoiding Hotel du Vin/Pub du Vin, having read the article.
As another comment has noted, we are already subsidising the profits of these businesses because the government ends up topping up the low wages through the tax credit and benefits system.

jamus77 says...
9:24am Fri 2 Nov 12

Brighton and Hove gives the impression of being wealthy, but it's all surface really. The trendy bars and eateries are being propped up by the 28,000 people who travel OUT of the city every day to work and those (numerous) students who are happy to squander their loans. Brighton is a low-wage, service economy, with a huge drug problem and large pockets of deprivation. That said, it's a cracking place to live.

Hove Actually says...
9:26am Fri 2 Nov 12

I thought the minimum wage was to reward appropriately those who had put in the minimum effort at school.

Fight_Back says...
9:43am Fri 2 Nov 12

I have every sympathy with people wanting to earn a decent wage but it really is a balance between less jobs / more pay and more jobs / less pay.

As for the 17 year old paying £560 rent - he'd be better living in a house share - in all likelihood a better property ( just as long as he chose carefully ) and lower bills thus leaving him money to go out.

Surely not! says...
10:05am Fri 2 Nov 12

Fight_Back wrote:
I have every sympathy with people wanting to earn a decent wage but it really is a balance between less jobs / more pay and more jobs / less pay.

As for the 17 year old paying £560 rent - he'd be better living in a house share - in all likelihood a better property ( just as long as he chose carefully ) and lower bills thus leaving him money to go out.
It really isn't that simple. If your logic were correct unemployment could be reduced to zero by simply reducing wages. this is clearly not the case. It may suit your world view but it certainly isn't true.

clearbluesky says...
10:07am Fri 2 Nov 12

Hasn't almost everyone worked a rubbish job for nearly no money at some time in their life? But you work hard, try to get an education, create opportunities for yourself and you progress to earning more. It's not magic, I believe it's called hard graft.

julesgemini says...
10:14am Fri 2 Nov 12

In other countries bar staff earn much more money directly from tips. I think this is the way forward! Performance related pay.

Brightonscouse2 says...
10:19am Fri 2 Nov 12

Fight_Back wrote:
I have every sympathy with people wanting to earn a decent wage but it really is a balance between less jobs / more pay and more jobs / less pay.

As for the 17 year old paying £560 rent - he'd be better living in a house share - in all likelihood a better property ( just as long as he chose carefully ) and lower bills thus leaving him money to go out.
I'd hazard a guess that the 17 year old is living in a tiny studio for £560 a month. The prices landlords charge are scandalous.

Fight_Back says...
10:31am Fri 2 Nov 12

Brightonscouse2 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I have every sympathy with people wanting to earn a decent wage but it really is a balance between less jobs / more pay and more jobs / less pay.

As for the 17 year old paying £560 rent - he'd be better living in a house share - in all likelihood a better property ( just as long as he chose carefully ) and lower bills thus leaving him money to go out.
I'd hazard a guess that the 17 year old is living in a tiny studio for £560 a month. The prices landlords charge are scandalous.
Agreed but it's not necessary for a teenager to have their own property - that takes time and hard graft. About 5 years ago I had to quickly look for new accommodation that needed to be cheap. I'm considerably older than 17 but I quickly realised it was going to be either my own bed sit for a few hundred pounds a month or a decent room in a decent house share for less than £200 all in. Obviously it's personal choice but I'd rather live in a decent house share and have money in my pocket than spend almost every penny just living.

Maxwell's Ghost says...
10:38am Fri 2 Nov 12

I've lived in house shares for 15 years before bring able to buy my own home. I met some lifelong friends as well as learning a lot about people in general. Vegans are difficult to live with, your baked beans seem to go missing often.

Kiddon72 says...
11:15am Fri 2 Nov 12

It is a shame that Mr Kit kat does not practice what he preaches.

Take a look at the Brighton and Hove Council job vacancies. All those advertised with a salary scale of 3 or below are paid an hourly rate below the "living wage" Mr KK advocates.

Perhaps he could set the example by increasing their wage ?

Maxwell's Ghost says...
11:25am Fri 2 Nov 12

Mr Kit Kat says paying a living wage makes sense. Nothing this man says makes sense. He increased parking charges to raise revenue and now has a £700,000 shortfall and we are not even at the end of te financial year.
And will Mr Kit Kat be then bleating that he needs to raise council tax to plug the hole he created in that revenue stream.
He just doesn't have business or financial experience to make such important economic decisions. Stick to hanging baskets and chilli festivals.

mimseycal says...
11:46am Fri 2 Nov 12

The problem is far more then just the outrageously high proportion of housing costs from wages.

I know young couples who work all the hours they can and still have a difficult time making it from wage packet to wage packet.

rightback says...
1:25pm Fri 2 Nov 12

wietraurig wrote:
Perhaps the Argus and the Council could publish a regularly-updated list of local businesses which pay the living wage, and those which do not, to enable their customers to vote with their feet. I for one will certainly be avoiding Hotel du Vin/Pub du Vin, having read the article.
As another comment has noted, we are already subsidising the profits of these businesses because the government ends up topping up the low wages through the tax credit and benefits system.
Firstly ShorehamBeachcomber, those working in pubs and restaurants should not be expected to exist on tips! And as for people voting with their feet, no chance. Overall people couldn't give a toss for the low paid in Brighton or anywhere else! As long as they can go out to their trendy, overpriced, bar restaurant etc then to hell with the low paid! Years ago businessess screamed that jobs would be lost if the minimum wage was introduced. In fact the opposite was true. The old saying " pay peanuts and get monkeys" still holds true. Welcome to the wonderful world of 21st century living!

Andy R says...
2:14pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Kiddon72 wrote:
It is a shame that Mr Kit kat does not practice what he preaches. Take a look at the Brighton and Hove Council job vacancies. All those advertised with a salary scale of 3 or below are paid an hourly rate below the "living wage" Mr KK advocates. Perhaps he could set the example by increasing their wage ?
EH??

Don't know what you're looking at.
Scale 3 STARTS at £15,725 which equates to £8.17ph. The lowest salary in BHCC is £13,874, which is bang on the Living Wage rate of £7.20 p.h.

Yes that's right folks.....

SEVEN POUNDS TWENTY PER HOUR!

The princely sum which the hotel barons of Brighton "can't afford" to pay.

It's Brighton's dirty little secret.

inadaptado says...
3:05pm Fri 2 Nov 12

I'm just flabbergasted by the blindness (or greed) of the employers. Less salary means that people will have less money to save or spend in things other than living expenses, which means companies will sell less and banks will have less money to work with, which means the whole economy will go down the loo. Which is precisely what is happening now. But, hey, keep on cutting salaries and jobs, maybe a race of rich aliens will come to Britain and save us all.

tooned_in says...
4:14pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Brighton is a fashionable place to live and property prices reflect this, I am brighton born and bred but had to move away to realise the dream of owning my own house, I work in London which is an hour commute but this has doubled the salary I could achieve for the same job in B&H!! many people cannot afford to get on the property market & lanlords cash in on this demand for affordable rental accomodation

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...
4:30pm Fri 2 Nov 12

clearbluesky wrote:
Hasn't almost everyone worked a rubbish job for nearly no money at some time in their life? But you work hard, try to get an education, create opportunities for yourself and you progress to earning more. It's not magic, I believe it's called hard graft.
Have you actually looked into what jobs are available locally?

I work hard, have a good education and am currently in full-time employment. I consider myself fortunate at the moment as I know many others who have found it very difficult to find full-time work that isn't call centre based.

However, I still find that at the end of each month I have nothing left and no real hope of saving. I spend a fortune on rented accommodation & utility bills, I have little to no hope of getting on the property ladder at present.

In addition, when you factor in the rising cost of living and other non-essential activities increasing in price (£4.00 a pint?! in most bars/pubs/clubs in the city) The money I earn does not go far and the idea of being able to afford a holiday abroad is almost unthinkable.

The condescending manner of your post probably means that you already think you know best but when you actually look at figures suggesting that there are on average 83 graduate applications for each position, maybe you could re-think your position.

davyboy says...
5:26pm Fri 2 Nov 12

the minimum wage should not be national, but enhanced for those in high priced areas. £6.19/hr goes much further in newcastle, as rents are so much cheaper. employers are the winners here, as their costs are set. higher priced areas should get higher minimum wage limits. this is why we have so many using benefits as a way of life, not a back up. it is better to have someone else pay for you, than work for your own family. if you take into consideration all your expenses, working would need an income of nearly £600/week, just to break even, once you deduct tax and NI., that means a 90-100 hour week at minimum wage!!!

lillylou says...
6:19pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Ten years ago minimum wage was around £3.25 hour now it's £6 it's disgusting and until it goes up people will be unemployed the idiot ian Duncan smith keeps saying average wage is £ 25.000 year when minimum wage is under £10.000 it's a joke slogging your guts out for £6 per hour it's paperboy money !!!

KarenT says...
6:44pm Fri 2 Nov 12

This might be a sound over simplistic - but isn't it just reality that, like most things in life, salary averages are determined by supply and demand. The harder you are to replace, the more you are going to earn. If you a do a basic job that can be easily filled by a huge number of people, the salary is going to be quite low. Employers know that if you aren't prepared to do the job for that wage, or if you don't do it well, you are easily replaced. Where is their motivation to pay more than they have to? Add to that that in some (not all) cases, given the current state of things, many employers would be forced to either cut staff, or go under altogether, cuz they can't stretch to any more overheads. Then you've got yet another business that goes under and even more jobs are lost. Major retailer Comet has just gone into administration, hundreds of jobs will soon be lost. It's a bit more complicated with a high-street chain retailer as much of it is down to the change in shopping trends, but business has to be financially viable to work. If their overheads end up exceeding their profits it's the end, it's just a fact. There is of course a lot of greed out there, those at the top simply wanting to maximise their profits when they actually could afford to pay their employees better, but this isn't always the case. There are no easy answers, but unfortunately the fact is that the less demanding one's tasks are the more expendable they become, especially when unemployment is so high. Maybe one way to go would be to enforce a certain level of pay to employees based on their particular employer's profits? Some CAN afford to pay better, for others it would just not be viable. And the higher earners in B&H aren't primarily the London commuters - there is a massive sector of self-employment here, all those folks sat behind their computers working remotely.

Old Ale Man says...
7:35am Sat 3 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Mr Kit Kat says paying a living wage makes sense. Nothing this man says makes sense. He increased parking charges to raise revenue and now has a £700,000 shortfall and we are not even at the end of te financial year. And will Mr Kit Kat be then bleating that he needs to raise council tax to plug the hole he created in that revenue stream. He just doesn't have business or financial experience to make such important economic decisions. Stick to hanging baskets and chilli festivals.
Your so right M G. None of the green councillors have any business or financial sense. Their all a bunch of retarted old hippies or unemployable former Brighton university students that are unable to find their way into employment.
They forget to go back home when they finish their uni courses.
The city is full of them.
With them in charge, God help the city dwellers.

clearbluesky says...
12:43pm Sat 3 Nov 12

uniteagainstparkingc
harges
wrote:
clearbluesky wrote:
Hasn't almost everyone worked a rubbish job for nearly no money at some time in their life? But you work hard, try to get an education, create opportunities for yourself and you progress to earning more. It's not magic, I believe it's called hard graft.
Have you actually looked into what jobs are available locally?

I work hard, have a good education and am currently in full-time employment. I consider myself fortunate at the moment as I know many others who have found it very difficult to find full-time work that isn't call centre based.

However, I still find that at the end of each month I have nothing left and no real hope of saving. I spend a fortune on rented accommodation & utility bills, I have little to no hope of getting on the property ladder at present.

In addition, when you factor in the rising cost of living and other non-essential activities increasing in price (£4.00 a pint?! in most bars/pubs/clubs in the city) The money I earn does not go far and the idea of being able to afford a holiday abroad is almost unthinkable.

The condescending manner of your post probably means that you already think you know best but when you actually look at figures suggesting that there are on average 83 graduate applications for each position, maybe you could re-think your position.
I agree there's not many jobs locally. That's why many thousands of people travel out of Brighton to London every day where there are plenty of work opportunities - not so much "get on your bike" as "get on a train".

And thank you for your commentary but my opinion is as valid an anyone's.

Zeta Function says...
4:18pm Sat 3 Nov 12

A living wage requires fiscal stability and control of inflation.

If taxes rise and prices go up the living wage becomes a non-living wage.

Brighton and Hove remains a commuter city serving London, and providing jobs serving commuters and a few in the financial service industry.

Zeta Function says...
4:27pm Sat 3 Nov 12

And as for women employed in the lowest paid occupations - earning a living wage: that will be another 10 decades.

leobrighton says...
4:30pm Sat 3 Nov 12

I'd look for another job Jason. Your manager is clearly not prepared to argue the case for better wages and doesn't value his staff. Perhaps you could suggest to his bosses that you could replace him and do a better job yourself.

lequack80 says...
6:57am Sun 4 Nov 12

While I can see that this proposal is well meaning, it does tend to miss the point. Wage inflation just leads to price inflation, whereby £7.20 becomes a wage at which people are unable to survive day-to-day.
A minimum wage is a terrible idea anyway and actually makes people poorer. When a minimum wage is introduced, this just becomes the standard wage for all involved in low-paid work. While this may increase a few people's wage packet, the other effect is that other people's wages are brought down to meet this new standard. Without wage controls, employers have to offer wages that encourage people to take their work and not that of a competitor, hence wages increase.
Many companies complained about the minimum wage being implemented but I'm sure quite a few have benefited as it sustains wages at a low level, discourages wage increases and prevents their staff from taking another job as the pay will be the same.

Andy R says...
9:13pm Sun 4 Nov 12

lequack80 wrote:
While I can see that this proposal is well meaning, it does tend to miss the point. Wage inflation just leads to price inflation, whereby £7.20 becomes a wage at which people are unable to survive day-to-day.
A minimum wage is a terrible idea anyway and actually makes people poorer. When a minimum wage is introduced, this just becomes the standard wage for all involved in low-paid work. While this may increase a few people's wage packet, the other effect is that other people's wages are brought down to meet this new standard. Without wage controls, employers have to offer wages that encourage people to take their work and not that of a competitor, hence wages increase.
Many companies complained about the minimum wage being implemented but I'm sure quite a few have benefited as it sustains wages at a low level, discourages wage increases and prevents their staff from taking another job as the pay will be the same.
Absolute nonsense for which there is no evidence whatsoever.

Omnishambles_1 says...
10:09am Thu 8 Nov 12

inadaptado wrote:
I'm just flabbergasted by the blindness (or greed) of the employers. Less salary means that people will have less money to save or spend in things other than living expenses, which means companies will sell less and banks will have less money to work with, which means the whole economy will go down the loo. Which is precisely what is happening now. But, hey, keep on cutting salaries and jobs, maybe a race of rich aliens will come to Britain and save us all.
How old are you?

tonupboy says...
11:36am Thu 8 Nov 12

Pensioners get a minimum income guarentee, enforced in law, and access to affordable homes regardless of where they live in the UK!..
Why shouldn't people of working age enjoy a decent standard of living, especially if they're over the age of 55!?

Larchmmont says...
11:47am Tue 13 Nov 12

onethreeonetwo wrote:
I am currently working for a well known high street retail store. I am 20, and paid £4.98 an hour. This is legal, as this is the minimum wage for under 21s. My other colleagues are all paid minimum wage at £6.19 an hour for doing the exact same job. I still have to pay the same for food, travel, necessities, going out, bills. Why should I be paid less?
It is retail work, age doesn't make a difference to how we perform on the shop floor, it shouldn't make such a drastic difference to our pay.
Onethreeonetwo would you be willing to talk to me about your wage? I am making a video for the Brighton and Hove living wage campaign and would love to talk to you. I can keep it anonymous. Please contact libby@larchmontfilms
.com

tonupboy says...
1:53pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Well onethreeonetwo, employers think and expect someone of your age (20) to live with their parents, where all your bills (rent, gas, eletricity, water rates council tax) of the household are shared, in many cases between 4 wage earners, mother/father, and siblings)...
In the 1970s I was lucky enough to live with my parents till I was old enough (21) to earn an adult wage after and engineering apprenticeship. and leave home, pay all the bills out of 1 wage, I didn't realise how lucky I had been living in a shared household.

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