£50,000 a month speed cameras (From The Argus)

Goody more money for cycle lanes in Brighton!

Tis I wrote:
Goody more money for cycle lanes in Brighton!

I dont think so, It's the Highways agency doing the work, not Brighton & Hove council.

When oh when are the dead heads going to realise that they are AVERAGE speed camera`s???

In other words, by doing 80 mph then slowing down for the yellow camera will NOT stop you getting a ticket.

By sticking to the average limit, puts 2 mins 25 seconds onto your journey time.... so is it worth it?

Could Phil Henty tells how many of the fines are paid and how many have to be written off due to not being abe to trace the driver please?

Indigatio wrote:
Could Phil Henty tells how many of the fines are paid and how many have to be written off due to not being abe to trace the driver please?

I can answer this question for you. As the cameras were installed at the end of September, it takes a few days for the notice to arrive through the post, the notice allows 28 days to respond, then it takes a further few days for the actual fine to be issued, allowing more time to pay, at this time approximately one month later the answer to your questions in both cases is; this information will not be available for some time.

they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

The article states "Road safety campaigners hailed the figures saying they showed that 99.9% |of the 70,000 drivers who use the road every day were observing the limit".

I would hardly describe being stuck in miles of traffic and crawling along in first or second gear as "observing the limit".

It's the retards like me driving through at 2am who represent the odd .01%.

A big thank you is due to all those stupid enough to speed in this area for sponsoring the works through their fines and reducing the burden on the rest of us.

Cash Cow wrote:
The article states "Road safety campaigners hailed the figures saying they showed that 99.9% |of the 70,000 drivers who use the road every day were observing the limit".

I would hardly describe being stuck in miles of traffic and crawling along in first or second gear as "observing the limit".

It's the retards like me driving through at 2am who represent the odd .01%.

A speed limit is just that. It is not a target to attempt to achieve at any opportunity and the 'limit' will be dictated by prevailing traffic conditions anyway.

HJarrs wrote:
A big thank you is due to all those stupid enough to speed in this area for sponsoring the works through their fines and reducing the burden on the rest of us.

haha, exactly!

What a complete bunch of numpties anyone speeding here!

well there are plenty of you out there that just have to race by the lorries in excess of said limit, to get in front and then brake down to 25-30 mph,what is the matter with you? and even with the need to slow the nutters down,they are still using their phones!

kerching!!! dear santa i want to be a speed camera!! ppppplease!!!

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

If you are driving at 80+ mph on any road then you deserve a heavy fine. Idiots!

Another tax on drivers.Lucky to do 30mph on any roads these days ,what with road works and congestion.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc.

My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises.

If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments.

Now jog along!

longman wrote:
If you are driving at 80+ mph on any road then you deserve a heavy fine. Idiots!

That's a sensible statement to make. Not all roads are the same you know, they don't all have your precious cycle lanes..

the limit is 50, and that is what i do (when possible) but in reality, it is slower, because some muppet will come flying down and then brake, causing all behind him to do the same, thus bringing everyone to a halt. if everyone slowed down gently when prompted, ie a mile away, and filtered in in turn, half these problems would go away. if you don't want a ticket, don't speed. yes, it can be a nuisance when the road is empty, but if you have a crash, it is much harder for the emergency services to deal with, and will close the road for longer

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc.

My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises.

If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments.

Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro



ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc.

My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises.

If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments.

Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro



ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc.

My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises.

If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments.

Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

I am happy to comment about whatever I want and will not stop on the strength of what seems to be some sort of veiled threat from you.

Now as already suggested

Jog along!

FatherTed11 wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro




ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc.

My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises.

If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments.

Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

It would appear that

midSussex

may struggle with sign reading as well, based on his grasp of the English language.

'that can only in tears for you' doesn't quite sound right.

Jog, jog, jog along midSussex!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

FatherTed11 wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote: they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible. Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc. My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises. If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments. Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

It would appear that midSussex may struggle with sign reading as well, based on his grasp of the English language. 'that can only in tears for you' doesn't quite sound right. Jog, jog, jog along midSussex!

Tw@!

brightonian57 wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

FatherTed11 wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote: they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible. Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc. My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises. If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments. Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

It would appear that midSussex may struggle with sign reading as well, based on his grasp of the English language. 'that can only in tears for you' doesn't quite sound right. Jog, jog, jog along midSussex!

Tw@!

You summed up how I was feeling about him quite nicely.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

brightonian57 wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

FatherTed11 wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote: they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible. Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc. My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises. If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments. Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

It would appear that midSussex may struggle with sign reading as well, based on his grasp of the English language. 'that can only in tears for you' doesn't quite sound right. Jog, jog, jog along midSussex!

Tw@!

You summed up how I was feeling about him quite nicely.

You obviously mistook who I was commenting on

brightonian57 wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

brightonian57 wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

FatherTed11 wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote: they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible. Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc. My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises. If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments. Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

It would appear that midSussex may struggle with sign reading as well, based on his grasp of the English language. 'that can only in tears for you' doesn't quite sound right. Jog, jog, jog along midSussex!

Tw@!

You summed up how I was feeling about him quite nicely.

You obviously mistook who I was commenting on

Sorry, a bit dropped off my comment, should have said you as well, now jog on, or is that pace too fast for you as well?

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

brightonian57 wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

brightonian57 wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

FatherTed11 wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

midSussex wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote: they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible. Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Morons are people who drive within the speed limit? They "force" people like you to "floor the accelerator"? Frankly, if that represents the level of your thought process you shouldn't be allowed a driving licence anyway.

Some of the speed limits are fine at times of congestion and are ridiculous when traffic flow is minimal. Often congestion builds due to a seemingly growing population of inept drivers, often in cars that in my opinion seem less than safe. Typical signs are windows steamed up, oblivious to others around them etc. My point is that in a high performance car, I am probably significantly safer than most and due to the selfishness of the slow and so called 'middle lane cruisers' have to overtake when the opportunity arises. If people like you checked your rear view mirror occasionally and drove in line with the spirit of the highway code and attempted to drive at the road speed limit, then I wouldn't need to make my comments. Now jog along!

I rest my case! You and your high performance car! Your windows are probably steamed up as a result of your own self important posturing. And don't make comments about my driving fella - that can only in tears for you believe me. In the meantime, try and drive better than you write.

You should probably do the same!

It would appear that midSussex may struggle with sign reading as well, based on his grasp of the English language. 'that can only in tears for you' doesn't quite sound right. Jog, jog, jog along midSussex!

Tw@!

You summed up how I was feeling about him quite nicely.

You obviously mistook who I was commenting on

Sorry, a bit dropped off my comment, should have said you as well, now jog on, or is that pace too fast for you as well?

So you obviously can't control your computer, yet you expect us you have control of a car. I repeat Tw@

Which sums you up quite nicely, do you actually have a view, or do you just troll?

Get a room you two and make fastlove

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Get a room you two and make fastlove

Don't mention the war....

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

somepeoplearejusttwa
zzocks

jog on numpty

Surely not! wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

somepeoplearejusttwa

zzocks

jog on numpty

And you are clearly one of them if that's the best comment you can manage.

I can picture you chugging along at 35 mph in a 50 mph zone in 5th gear with a queue of 20 cars behind you, your windows steamed up and not a worry in the world, oblivious to all around you, yet content with your driving excellence.

How i laugh at and love to get past selfish people like you.

Let's not forget, the speed limits are there also to protect the workers who are actually making this stretch of road better for those that have to travel through it everyday. Remember also that many drivers lost their lives through driving too fast through a dangerous bit of road. Give the road workers a chance to get it fixed and save lives. Even though it is a 40 limit, it is actually quicker to get through Handcross Hill now as there are less delays caused by those driving at 70+ and then suddenly slowing down causing accidents.

This bit of road didn't need "improving". What needed improving was the standard of driving on it which is now being proved by the number of ignorant people who think that speed limits do not apply to them. Maybe the average speed cameras should stay there after they have finished the road. That way everyone stands a much better chanceof getting where they need to be without the threat of these idiots causing fatal accidents by speeding!

@ Somethingsarejustwro You really are an idiot. It's the likes of you that give the rest of us, who like to be a bit liberal with the speed limit a bad name. Why don't you be a good little boy and shut the F***k up.

Crystal Ball wrote:

Cash Cow wrote:
The article states "Road safety campaigners hailed the figures saying they showed that 99.9% |of the 70,000 drivers who use the road every day were observing the limit".

I would hardly describe being stuck in miles of traffic and crawling along in first or second gear as "observing the limit".

It's the retards like me driving through at 2am who represent the odd .01%.

A speed limit is just that. It is not a target to attempt to achieve at any opportunity and the 'limit' will be dictated by prevailing traffic conditions anyway.

So what's your point?

I'm all for speed limits when they are there for a good reason. But, what does annoy me is the 20mph speed limits through towns/city's and the new 30mph limits along Lewes Road. The only thing these limits achieve is causing congestion. Yes, I makes it safer for pedestrians but, if people were educated about safe road use you they would know that it is dangerous to cross the road without looking or paying attention. If someone was driving whilst on the phone (not that I agree with this) and hit someone, in the road, who is to blame? Why is the pedestrian in the road when there is an on coming vehicle? The lower limits should be in place along country roads where there are no pavements etc.. I know these lower limits are supposed to safe lives, but people should save their own lives by being vigilant when crossing roads etc.... Those 'bad' drivers who these limits are trying to combat won't pay attention the them anyway.

Mr P Brown wrote:
@ Somethingsarejustwro You really are an idiot. It's the likes of you that give the rest of us, who like to be a bit liberal with the speed limit a bad name. Why don't you be a good little boy and shut the F***k up.

What a ridiculous comment from another member of the 'speed kills' club. Speed only kills when drivers lose control, or pedestrians are negligent and I guess its people like you who are incompetent behind the wheel that contribute to accidents.

I can picture you chugging along at 35 mph in a 50 mph zone in 5th gear with a queue of 20 cars behind you, your windows steamed up and not a worry in the world, oblivious to all around you, yet content with your driving excellence.

How I laugh at and love to get past selfish people like you, now be a dear and pull over and let the rest of us intelligent and skilled drivers past

The 40mph speed limit here is far too slow given the road conditions. Now that they have taken the trees down the road is already far safer.
55mph would be a realistic speed limit while the roadworks are in place.
One can't help thinking that the reason it's 40mph is to raise large sums of money, and is nothing to do with road safety.

Brightonlad86 wrote:
I'm all for speed limits when they are there for a good reason. But, what does annoy me is the 20mph speed limits through towns/city's and the new 30mph limits along Lewes Road. The only thing these limits achieve is causing congestion. Yes, I makes it safer for pedestrians but, if people were educated about safe road use you they would know that it is dangerous to cross the road without looking or paying attention. If someone was driving whilst on the phone (not that I agree with this) and hit someone, in the road, who is to blame? Why is the pedestrian in the road when there is an on coming vehicle? The lower limits should be in place along country roads where there are no pavements etc.. I know these lower limits are supposed to safe lives, but people should save their own lives by being vigilant when crossing roads etc.... Those 'bad' drivers who these limits are trying to combat won't pay attention the them anyway.

You need to study the highway code. If a pedestrian is in the road I think you'll find they have right of way!

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
The 40mph speed limit here is far too slow given the road conditions. Now that they have taken the trees down the road is already far safer.
55mph would be a realistic speed limit while the roadworks are in place.
One can't help thinking that the reason it's 40mph is to raise large sums of money, and is nothing to do with road safety.

No way, have you noticed the road surface?
The state of the largely temporary road surface would extend the braking distance by quite some way even travelling at 40mph.
So whilst 50 sounds reasonable at first, take a look next time you pass at the road surface

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

somepeoplearejusttwa


zzocks

jog on numpty

And you are clearly one of them if that's the best comment you can manage.

I can picture you chugging along at 35 mph in a 50 mph zone in 5th gear with a queue of 20 cars behind you, your windows steamed up and not a worry in the world, oblivious to all around you, yet content with your driving excellence.

How i laugh at and love to get past selfish people like you.

oh you poor saddo

an internet hero


ergo: a knob in reality

make you feel good does it?

probably does.. even sadder

FYI. I use that stretch of road at least twice a month, to catch early flights from either Heathrow or Gatwick and returning late. You won't find me tootling along, unless of course I knew I was holding you up.

"Speeding in A23 roadworks costs drivers £50,000"


Good. Standards of driving in general on the A23 are poor. I use the road regularly and it surprises me how few crashes actually occur.

Double, treble, the fines for all I care.

graham_Seagull wrote:

Brightonlad86 wrote: I'm all for speed limits when they are there for a good reason. But, what does annoy me is the 20mph speed limits through towns/city's and the new 30mph limits along Lewes Road. The only thing these limits achieve is causing congestion. Yes, I makes it safer for pedestrians but, if people were educated about safe road use you they would know that it is dangerous to cross the road without looking or paying attention. If someone was driving whilst on the phone (not that I agree with this) and hit someone, in the road, who is to blame? Why is the pedestrian in the road when there is an on coming vehicle? The lower limits should be in place along country roads where there are no pavements etc.. I know these lower limits are supposed to safe lives, but people should save their own lives by being vigilant when crossing roads etc.... Those 'bad' drivers who these limits are trying to combat won't pay attention the them anyway.

You need to study the highway code. If a pedestrian is in the road I think you'll find they have right of way!

Re-read my post you berk. I mention stepping out in front of cars!! If your stupid enough to step out in front of a car you deserve to get hit.

As for having right of way, yes, they do have right of way.... If they have already started to cross which, if a car is approaching, you shouldn't do.

Have a little look yourself...

https://www.gov.uk/b
rowse/driving/highwa
y-code

Surely not! wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro



ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

somepeoplearejusttwa



zzocks

jog on numpty

And you are clearly one of them if that's the best comment you can manage.

I can picture you chugging along at 35 mph in a 50 mph zone in 5th gear with a queue of 20 cars behind you, your windows steamed up and not a worry in the world, oblivious to all around you, yet content with your driving excellence.

How i laugh at and love to get past selfish people like you.

oh you poor saddo

an internet hero


ergo: a knob in reality

make you feel good does it?

probably does.. even sadder

FYI. I use that stretch of road at least twice a month, to catch early flights from either Heathrow or Gatwick and returning late. You won't find me tootling along, unless of course I knew I was holding you up.

Seems we travel the same roads, similar times and similar purpose.

Strange that you don't agree with my perception and frustration, however if your windows are steamed up then maybe you don't have a clue what's going on anyway.

Now hush your lips and stop making a fool of yourself.

It doesn't surprise me they have made so much money, it seems that nobody keeps to speed limits these days. I would just love to know what exactly they are going to use all this extra income for? The public don't ever seem to see where it actually goes?

Morning all. Been out driving my high performance car. Didn't need to break the speed limit up and down Handcross Hill but did see a couple more idiots racing through and on their way to a fine. Suspect one or two of them have posted on here - brains in their right foot rather than between their ears.

midSussex wrote:
Morning all. Been out driving my high performance car. Didn't need to break the speed limit up and down Handcross Hill but did see a couple more idiots racing through and on their way to a fine. Suspect one or two of them have posted on here - brains in their right foot rather than between their ears.

Delighted that you have managed to string a few words together that make sense grammatically this time, even if there is no real substance.

The beauty of average speed limits is that people who are capable can maintain an average speed over the distance in line with the speed limit. If all people were able to do that then the system would work very well.

Because of the muppets (and if the cap fits please wear it midSussex) who struggle along, oblivious of the needs of all around, driving slowly and erratically, unnecessary queues and sharp braking arise.

The clever and more capable get by maintaining close to the average speed limit and without a fine; as indeed I have.

As for those who get caught, then they are probably even more stupid than you.

HJarrs wrote:
A big thank you is due to all those stupid enough to speed in this area for sponsoring the works through their fines and reducing the burden on the rest of us.

Spot on mate

Whilst I completely agree with a 40 mph limit for safety reasons in these roadworks, I think having a 40 limit active on this long stretch of road during the night is unnecessary - the layout of both the North & South carriageways has not changed at this time.

Why not adopt the American approach of having the average-speed limit active during daylight or work hours - for example 6am - 9pm? The limit could revert back to 50 at night when traffic volume is light and workcrews have stopped for the day. I think this would appease motorists whilst ensuring safety for all concerned.

I would bet that the vast majority of speeding motorists are caught late at night - 40mph downhill at 2am on an empty two lane road seems unreasonable - not to mention quite difficult to maintain when a driver's attention should be focused on the road ahead.

In my opinion, dynamic speed limits need to be introduced on all major UK roads - similar to the M25 / M6. If road safety is the priority this seems like a better and safer solution for all concerned.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

angrymonkey wrote:
they are good as not getting as many big german car drivers that think they own the roads trying to race up the outside lane and trying to push in when it gets down to two lanes making everyone break hard slowing everything down.

Its the morons who stay well within the limit that slows the flow of traffic forcing people like me to floor the accelerator whenever possible.

Again its lowest common denominator thinking and legislation that penalises the good guys.

Not forgetting the unmarked cars that patrol this stretch as well... wonderful piece of driving the other morning from the young girl in her 205, she decided that I was going too slow (at 42mph) in the right hand lane, under took me, drew alongside me and there I kept her. Such a shame was using her iphone at the time but the unmarked 5 series in front of her noticed her holding it to her ear as well. Came up to the weighbridge and the (blue) lights came on, got a nice smile from the cop as I passed, let's hope she learnt her lesson that day. As for the queuing traffic, well if people staggered their journey times it might not be such a bottleneck at either end but seems like people leave it until the last minute to get to where they want to be instead of giving themselves a few more minutes....

Ooh I gotta join in on this one, it's a subject far too close to my heart to ignore!

This stretch of road has been an accident black-spot for decades but I suspect this is due to the road’s design (or lack of it) rather than the speed at which vehicles are travelling on it.

In this area the A23 is on quite a steep incline, it bends one way and then the other, is prone to icing in winter and has several junctions with minor roads thrown in for good measure. A recipe for disaster! I'm glad that it’s at last being modified, hope that those working to improve our roads do a good job and that the accident rate at this location decreases as a result.

Being a road worker certainly has its risks, between 2003 and 2008 11 road workers were killed and 104 were seriously injured on motorways and major routes in England (Source: Highways Agency) but I doubt many of these had much to do with the speed at which nearby traffic was travelling. It’s much more likely that these unfortunate individuals suffered at the hands of careless colleagues or from an industrial accident instead. Unfortunately the Highways Agency isn’t clear about this and so I imagine suspicion is incorrectly directed towards passing motorists instead.

This lack of information and understanding has resulted in a UK road safety policy that is fixated with controlling vehicle speed, despite it being a factor in only a minority of accidents. Driver inattention and intoxication together with poor vehicle condition are all much more significant factors and speed cameras do not detect these at all. They also do not pay any attention to the size of vehicles, despite the obvious fact that anything being hit by an articulated truck is going to suffer far more than if it were hit by a small car at the same speed.

The signs from the Safety Partnership read “Speed limit in place for safety reasons” as you pass through this section at the moment and I think this tells us a lot about the attitude of these misguided institutions. If this statement were really true, why would the signs be necessary? What other possible reasons would there be for littering a road with speed cameras and reducing the limit? I can think of one...

It is a such a shame that so many people don’t take the time to understand the issues and merely subscribe to the over simplified "Speed Kills" message put out by the Safety Partnerships. It’s my belief that this misguided strategy has cost us all far more in human suffering than any amount of fines could compensate for.

Back to the A23, it’s my greatest fear that the cameras may remain after the road works have finished and thus any reduction in accidents at this location could be attributed to them rather than to the road improvements (and other factors like “regression to the mean” – Google it if you don’t know what this means, it’s really important!) and thus appear to support the case for more of these dumb, ineffective but revenue generating “road safety” measures.

Brightonlad86 wrote:

graham_Seagull wrote:

Brightonlad86 wrote: I'm all for speed limits when they are there for a good reason. But, what does annoy me is the 20mph speed limits through towns/city's and the new 30mph limits along Lewes Road. The only thing these limits achieve is causing congestion. Yes, I makes it safer for pedestrians but, if people were educated about safe road use you they would know that it is dangerous to cross the road without looking or paying attention. If someone was driving whilst on the phone (not that I agree with this) and hit someone, in the road, who is to blame? Why is the pedestrian in the road when there is an on coming vehicle? The lower limits should be in place along country roads where there are no pavements etc.. I know these lower limits are supposed to safe lives, but people should save their own lives by being vigilant when crossing roads etc.... Those 'bad' drivers who these limits are trying to combat won't pay attention the them anyway.

You need to study the highway code. If a pedestrian is in the road I think you'll find they have right of way!

Re-read my post you berk. I mention stepping out in front of cars!! If your stupid enough to step out in front of a car you deserve to get hit.

As for having right of way, yes, they do have right of way.... If they have already started to cross which, if a car is approaching, you shouldn't do.

Have a little look yourself...

https://www.gov.uk/b

rowse/driving/highwa

y-code

I thought I'd do you the justice at least of reading your note over again, and I declare it makes the same silly points as I thought it did.

I'm sure most people try not to cross when there is a car approaching, but alas it can happen, particularly with the older folk and the younger more inexperienced kids.
I remember making a few mistakes on learning to cross roads when I was a kid, from misjudging the speed of cars to perhaps crossing in the wrong place.
Fortunately I got away with it, and on occasion that was down to the approaching driver being road-savvy.

The point is, no one deserves to lose their life for a mistake made when crossing the road, and good drivers will always remember pedestrians and other road users are real people, and real people oftenmake mistakes.

You don't come across to me as a good driver. Nor a road savvy driver.

JesterFeckwit wrote:
Ooh I gotta join in on this one, it's a subject far too close to my heart to ignore!

This stretch of road has been an accident black-spot for decades but I suspect this is due to the road’s design (or lack of it) rather than the speed at which vehicles are travelling on it.

In this area the A23 is on quite a steep incline, it bends one way and then the other, is prone to icing in winter and has several junctions with minor roads thrown in for good measure. A recipe for disaster! I'm glad that it’s at last being modified, hope that those working to improve our roads do a good job and that the accident rate at this location decreases as a result.

Being a road worker certainly has its risks, between 2003 and 2008 11 road workers were killed and 104 were seriously injured on motorways and major routes in England (Source: Highways Agency) but I doubt many of these had much to do with the speed at which nearby traffic was travelling. It’s much more likely that these unfortunate individuals suffered at the hands of careless colleagues or from an industrial accident instead. Unfortunately the Highways Agency isn’t clear about this and so I imagine suspicion is incorrectly directed towards passing motorists instead.

This lack of information and understanding has resulted in a UK road safety policy that is fixated with controlling vehicle speed, despite it being a factor in only a minority of accidents. Driver inattention and intoxication together with poor vehicle condition are all much more significant factors and speed cameras do not detect these at all. They also do not pay any attention to the size of vehicles, despite the obvious fact that anything being hit by an articulated truck is going to suffer far more than if it were hit by a small car at the same speed.

The signs from the Safety Partnership read “Speed limit in place for safety reasons” as you pass through this section at the moment and I think this tells us a lot about the attitude of these misguided institutions. If this statement were really true, why would the signs be necessary? What other possible reasons would there be for littering a road with speed cameras and reducing the limit? I can think of one...

It is a such a shame that so many people don’t take the time to understand the issues and merely subscribe to the over simplified "Speed Kills" message put out by the Safety Partnerships. It’s my belief that this misguided strategy has cost us all far more in human suffering than any amount of fines could compensate for.

Back to the A23, it’s my greatest fear that the cameras may remain after the road works have finished and thus any reduction in accidents at this location could be attributed to them rather than to the road improvements (and other factors like “regression to the mean” – Google it if you don’t know what this means, it’s really important!) and thus appear to support the case for more of these dumb, ineffective but revenue generating “road safety” measures.

Are you one of the dumb assoc of british drivers by any chance?

The a23 at hand cross has a temp road surface along much of its length. If you needed to brake hard you'll find the stopping distance greatly extended and in that respect speed is absolutely key.
If you were to run tests on that surface Id guess emergency braking at 40mph would give you a stopping distance equivilence of at least 50mph and that is the real danger.

For someone who professes to know a bit about this stretch you really should do more than stare at your speedo- loom at the surface.

I have lived in Brighton since birth and drove to Gatwick numerious times...and know the road well.

since the works started i've only actually used it only Once and that was at 4am and therefore dark.

I was gobsmacked at the changes and it dawned on me that 'as a local' I don't know this stretch of road anymore and therefore observed the limit as it's there for a reason......

The Airport workers and Taxi drivers that zoomed passed me I hope you are One of those sent a letter from Shoreham......you risk everyones lives to save yourself some 3 minutes in the restricted zone.

If it was during the day then I feel for the workers......they must hate having to watch their backs non-stop for idiots!

Unbias wrote:
I have lived in Brighton since birth and drove to Gatwick numerious times...and know the road well.

since the works started i've only actually used it only Once and that was at 4am and therefore dark.

I was gobsmacked at the changes and it dawned on me that 'as a local' I don't know this stretch of road anymore and therefore observed the limit as it's there for a reason......

The Airport workers and Taxi drivers that zoomed passed me I hope you are One of those sent a letter from Shoreham......you risk everyones lives to save yourself some 3 minutes in the restricted zone.

If it was during the day then I feel for the workers......they must hate having to watch their backs non-stop for idiots!

Sounds like they'll have to wait a while for you then!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Unbias wrote:
I have lived in Brighton since birth and drove to Gatwick numerious times...and know the road well.

since the works started i've only actually used it only Once and that was at 4am and therefore dark.

I was gobsmacked at the changes and it dawned on me that 'as a local' I don't know this stretch of road anymore and therefore observed the limit as it's there for a reason......

The Airport workers and Taxi drivers that zoomed passed me I hope you are One of those sent a letter from Shoreham......you risk everyones lives to save yourself some 3 minutes in the restricted zone.

If it was during the day then I feel for the workers......they must hate having to watch their backs non-stop for idiots!

Sounds like they'll have to wait a while for you then!

I'm not sure what your point is....?

graham_Seagull wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

Unbias wrote:
I have lived in Brighton since birth and drove to Gatwick numerious times...and know the road well.

since the works started i've only actually used it only Once and that was at 4am and therefore dark.

I was gobsmacked at the changes and it dawned on me that 'as a local' I don't know this stretch of road anymore and therefore observed the limit as it's there for a reason......

The Airport workers and Taxi drivers that zoomed passed me I hope you are One of those sent a letter from Shoreham......you risk everyones lives to save yourself some 3 minutes in the restricted zone.

If it was during the day then I feel for the workers......they must hate having to watch their backs non-stop for idiots!

Sounds like they'll have to wait a while for you then!

I'm not sure what your point is....?

Without wishing to appear rude, its pretty clear to me.

I think I have to agree with some of the things Somethingsarejustwro
ng has said... There are too many idiots sitting in the outside lane completely oblivious to their fellow driver.

Also this 40mph section adds 5 minutes to your journey if you stick to the speed limit.

BrightonSaveloy wrote:
I think I have to agree with some of the things Somethingsarejustwro ng has said... There are too many idiots sitting in the outside lane completely oblivious to their fellow driver. Also this 40mph section adds 5 minutes to your journey if you stick to the speed limit.

3, 5 or 10 minutes......still better than a single death or even a minor shunt isn't it?

So you just leave 5 minutes earlier surely?.....and everyone lives happily ever after :)

Unbias wrote:

BrightonSaveloy wrote:
I think I have to agree with some of the things Somethingsarejustwro ng has said... There are too many idiots sitting in the outside lane completely oblivious to their fellow driver. Also this 40mph section adds 5 minutes to your journey if you stick to the speed limit.

3, 5 or 10 minutes......still better than a single death or even a minor shunt isn't it?

So you just leave 5 minutes earlier surely?.....and everyone lives happily ever after :)

You assume speed is the safety issue - wrong, although it can be a factor in the wrong hands.

The primary hazard is drivers who cannot drive well, some of those we have heard from above, who seem hell bent on insisting that safety comes from speed regulation and not through addressing their own incompetence.

Step beyond that one dimensional thinking and we can argue for speed limits to be increased. Increased speed leads to less congestion and improved traveling experience for all. Those who are happy traveling at 15mph less should stick to the B roads.

So people need to speed......their is a fantastic rail network we have.

I have driven since I was 21, i'm now 47 and love race days at Brands Hatch....i'm no Sunday driver...

I just respect the law's set for my safety.....no too much to ask is it?

Unbias wrote:
So people need to speed......their is a fantastic rail network we have.

I have driven since I was 21, i'm now 47 and love race days at Brands Hatch....i'm no Sunday driver...

I just respect the law's set for my safety.....no too much to ask is it?

How do average speed limits protect your safety?

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Unbias wrote: So people need to speed......their is a fantastic rail network we have. I have driven since I was 21, i'm now 47 and love race days at Brands Hatch....i'm no Sunday driver... I just respect the law's set for my safety.....no too much to ask is it?

How do average speed limits protect your safety?

"How do average speed limits protect your safety?"

40 is the limit on the hill, the cameras monitor traffic flow against speed......go over 40 and you are speeding.

Now to answer your question, average is designed to allow traffic to flow better......with drivers switching lanes every 100yards it makes the logic very hard to maintain.

I'd rather see 50mph flashing in front of me on say the M25 rather than some hazard lights i'm up the backside of if i'm doing 70.

Unbias wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

Unbias wrote: So people need to speed......their is a fantastic rail network we have. I have driven since I was 21, i'm now 47 and love race days at Brands Hatch....i'm no Sunday driver... I just respect the law's set for my safety.....no too much to ask is it?

How do average speed limits protect your safety?

"How do average speed limits protect your safety?"

40 is the limit on the hill, the cameras monitor traffic flow against speed......go over 40 and you are speeding.

Now to answer your question, average is designed to allow traffic to flow better......with drivers switching lanes every 100yards it makes the logic very hard to maintain.

I'd rather see 50mph flashing in front of me on say the M25 rather than some hazard lights i'm up the backside of if i'm doing 70.

Just to challenge your thinking.......

So on a 60 mile stretch of road with a 60mph average speed limit, I can drive at 30mph for 30 miles and then for the last 30 miles (traffic permitting) travel at 120mph and still fail to be picked up by the cameras. I appreciate that you may wish to point out that the national speed limits still exist, however it proves that your argument is flawed.

Its not speed that kills its the driver.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Unbias wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro


ng wrote:

Unbias wrote: So people need to speed......their is a fantastic rail network we have. I have driven since I was 21, i'm now 47 and love race days at Brands Hatch....i'm no Sunday driver... I just respect the law's set for my safety.....no too much to ask is it?

How do average speed limits protect your safety?

"How do average speed limits protect your safety?"

40 is the limit on the hill, the cameras monitor traffic flow against speed......go over 40 and you are speeding.

Now to answer your question, average is designed to allow traffic to flow better......with drivers switching lanes every 100yards it makes the logic very hard to maintain.

I'd rather see 50mph flashing in front of me on say the M25 rather than some hazard lights i'm up the backside of if i'm doing 70.

Just to challenge your thinking.......

So on a 60 mile stretch of road with a 60mph average speed limit, I can drive at 30mph for 30 miles and then for the last 30 miles (traffic permitting) travel at 120mph and still fail to be picked up by the cameras. I appreciate that you may wish to point out that the national speed limits still exist, however it proves that your argument is flawed.

Its not speed that kills its the driver.

There is clearly a link between the stupidity of many a driver and the speed they drive at. To deny such a thing is utter nonsense.

There are plenty of stats on the link - and it is recognised to be a direct link - from various authorative sources on the net. Im talking about that sources who investigate the causes of death crashes on the roads, not a pontificating self serving source such as the ABD.
I see that you're also calling for a increased speed limit. You may have fantastic reflexes and great 20:20 vision, but there are many who do not. Increasing the speed limit would see those with 'just about ok skills' become inadequate with awful consequences.

Generally speaking, roads are only as safe as the weakest link on them, not the best driver.

I just feel like adding my 2p worth to the conversation.

I like some people on this forum use the a23 every weekday commuting to Brighton from Gatwick.

Apart from the fuel spillage a couple of weeks ago I find myself queuing a lot less due to crashes since the 40mph average speed limit has come into play as there are IMO less accidents. There was a period not so long ago where there were 6 days over a 10 working day period where I recall 2 or 3 car collisions just before the S-bend (especially heading north bound) where people had not gauged breaking distance between the car in front of them braking to hit a section which I believe was a 55mph limit at the time coming down from 70mph.

I welcome the changes being made, and am in agreement that the 40mph limit is in place to protect the workers who are there to improve our commute.