Visions for Brighton and Hove seafront

Roger Hinton of the Regency Society

Brighton beach boardwalk

First published in News by

A seachange is being prepared for Brighton and Hove’s internationally renowned seafront. Peter Truman looks at how the successes of two decades ago could inspire the future.

The seafront is Brighton and Hove’s biggest attraction today, pulling in hundreds of millions of pounds to the local economy each year.

But back in the early 1990s, Brighton promenade was struggling and the economy was in recession.

In 1992, the Seafront Development Initiative was unveiled, converting the King’s Road Arches into a vibrant stretch of cafes, restaurants and other attractions and breathing life into the area.

Twenty years later, the situation feels eerily familiar with the economy in a challenging state and the seafront looking to take on the competition and safeguard its future.

The strategy, unveiled by Brighton and Hove City Council this week, reads: “Representatives of other British seaside resorts are envious of what has been achieved, but it is essential that continuous improvement takes place to ensure the value of the Seafront is not only maintained but enhanced for the city.”

Councillor Geoffrey Bowden, chair of the environment committee, which will discuss the strategy on Thursday, said: “We can’t be complacent, we have to look to the future and ensure the seafront continues to thrive.

“We want to broaden and enhance its appeal for visitors and residents – widening out the main tourist area beyond the two piers and providing more year round appeal.”

He said that despite the recession, the seafront was still attracting investment.

Under the proposals, Brighton and Hove City Council has split the seafront into six different areas, each with its own flavour.

Suggested zones

  • Hove Lagoon to King Alfred has been earmarked as a stretch for sport, with a revamped King Alfred Leisure Centre as the focal point.
  • King Alfred to the Peace Statue would be a magnet for outdoor events.
  • The area from the Peace Statue to the Ellipse statue will be focused on the i360 and the opening up the old arches east and west of West Pier.
  • From the Ellipse statue to Palace Pier, which saw the most investment in 1992, the council hopes to concentrate on the redevelopment of the Brighton Centre and improvements around the Palace Pier entrance.
  • The Palace Pier to Brighton Marina will become a hub of public art exhibitions. It is also hoped that a new redevelopment will happen at Black Rock.
  • The final stretch from Roedean to Saltdean is earmarked for recreation with a new café, seating and a possible multiuse games area.

One way the council is hoping to stay ahead of the game, is encouraging more filming along the seafront.

The strategy reads: “At present filming does take place on an occasional basis, but a proactive approach to attracting film companies to use the seafront would more effectively exploit this potential opportunity to generate publicity and obtain income.”

West Pier

Roger Hinton, a member of the conservation group Regency Society, said he welcomed developments around the West Pier but was worried about other areas along the shore.

He said: “The i360 is going ahead and that will generate income for the council which they will hopefully use to smarten up the area. Having the consultation will be good.

“There has been lots of investment from Palace Pier to the Hove border so I am wondering just why the council wants to have a further consultation on that.

“But there is a distinction between the brash of Brighton, and Hove with its quiet cafes. I would be less keen on developments as there are big open spaces which people value.

“If they started putting developments there it would be a pity.”

Mr Hinton added the Regency Society would be opposed to developments on the south side of the seafront, which included Madeira Drive.

Julian Caddy, managing director Brighton Fringe, said: “I agree that it's essential that the seafront is addressed as a priority.

“I feel that there are very much two separate cities within Brighton with the inland and seafront parts operating almost in spite of each other and divided by an ugly bypass. So anything to bring the two together would be most welcome.

“For my part, anything that will improve the functionality for outdoor events and performances would be ideal. Adequate power and water supply and drainage are key to this.”

Joined-up thinking

Anne Martin, general manager of the Palace Pier, said the seafront around her attraction had been neglected.

She said: “There is no joined-up thinking on the seafront and the end where three major attractions are: The Pier, Sealife and Wheel is sadly neglected in term of signage and promotion.

“This area should be a major focus of the city’s tourism strategy and instead looks neglected.

“Obviously the parking price strategy is designed to successfully keep visitors away.”

Katie Mintram, director for sponsorship and planning at the Yellowave sports centre in Madeira Drive, said she was “really excited” about the chance of the area being developed.

She said: “We see Madeira Drive and it has such potential. It is mind boggling.

“It has such beautiful architecture and heritage and it feels like a wasted space.

“At the moment it is like a big car park. People come for special events and then leave again.

“We are really excited about redeveloping from Palace Pier all the way along to Black Rock.”

Arches showcase

Mrs Mintram said ideas such as a nature boardwalk and lighting showcasing the arches could make it a place to “promenade and exercise” away from the main strip.

Gavin George, of Inn Brighton which owns several pubs and clubs on the seafront, said any investment in the seafront was a good thing.

He added: “Anything that makes the seafront more attractive to visitors to come down, especially in winter, is welcome.

“Over the years it has improved greatly and operators are offering better retail.

“There has been investment but there are still areas along the seafront that would be grateful for more.”

Major developments

King Alfred Leisure Centre
A major redevelopment is planned for this seafront site, including a new sports centre.
Frank Gehry’s grand proposals for the aging building were scuppered in 2008 when financial backers pulled out as the economy nosedived.   

Brighton Centre
A mixed-use development including a new conference and exhibition centre is planned, but a funding gap remains and the long-promised transformation of the site has yet to start.

i360
Plans to revive the West Pier have been superseded by the i360. The completion date for the 175metre-tower is March 2015 but questions marks remain over funding.

Black Rock
The “arena” redevelopment was ditched earlier this year. A new procurement will start in 2013 following research. The council now plans to bring sand sculptures to the site in the meantime.

Seafront facts

The seafront contributes an estimated £732million per year to the city’s economy and provides 17,500 jobs.

  • A quarter of a million people visit the area between the two piers on a sunny summer weekend
  • The seafront has been used as a filming location for a variety of films, TV programmes and advertisements, from Quadrophenia to Brighton Rock
  • The council owns more than 200 properties along the seafront, from beach chalets to artists' arches to nightclubs.
  • The Seafront has 2 items of sculpture that are by internationally renowned artists including the Afloat by Hamish Black.
  • There are 12 sports clubs already located on the Seafront
  • There are 21 cultural events being held on the Seafront during 2012.
  • The Seafront Operational Team and Beach Cleansing Operatives are on duty every day of the year from 6am including Christmas Day.
  • About 23 tonnes of rubbish is collected on busiest summer days. That’s the equivalent to 2.5 rubbish trucks.
  • The Seafront currently has two International Blue Flags and three National Quality Coast Awards.
  • In 2011, the Seafront Operational Team attended 179 first aid incidents

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9:13pm Mon 12 Nov 12

pjwilk says...

About time we had an international size ice rink,promised 50+ years ago.Bring back the Brighton Tigers.Council cant be trusted on anything except putting up council tax and parking charges.
About time we had an international size ice rink,promised 50+ years ago.Bring back the Brighton Tigers.Council cant be trusted on anything except putting up council tax and parking charges. pjwilk
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9:15pm Mon 12 Nov 12

pjwilk says...

Pulling in hundreds of millions what have wasted it on then,nothing is any better.
Pulling in hundreds of millions what have wasted it on then,nothing is any better. pjwilk
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10:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12

bug eye says...

we also need to look at the state of some of the buildings on the north side of the seafront, especially the souvenir shops. upgrade the pavements, central reservation and road surface, as well as clear all the ugly street furniture and signs. the seafront needs to be streamlined with more cohesive great lighting paving seating and planting. just look at the ugly dirty hedge alongside the roadside, what is that all about.
we also need to look at the state of some of the buildings on the north side of the seafront, especially the souvenir shops. upgrade the pavements, central reservation and road surface, as well as clear all the ugly street furniture and signs. the seafront needs to be streamlined with more cohesive great lighting paving seating and planting. just look at the ugly dirty hedge alongside the roadside, what is that all about. bug eye
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7:12am Tue 13 Nov 12

BURIRAM says...

It's to dangerous to walk along the prom with little children due to fast cyclists, and down on the lower level between the piers smells of urine from the students that go clubbing down there at night.
Go to Bognor or Eastbourne for a safe walk or sort out the anti social issues on Brighton Seafront first then invest.
It's to dangerous to walk along the prom with little children due to fast cyclists, and down on the lower level between the piers smells of urine from the students that go clubbing down there at night. Go to Bognor or Eastbourne for a safe walk or sort out the anti social issues on Brighton Seafront first then invest. BURIRAM
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7:58am Tue 13 Nov 12

davidbrianjones says...

A great article - well done! There are some very good ideas here as well, but I am disappointed that a remarkably important subject is still being ignored:
Hasn't anyone noticed that the Restoration of the West Pier is never mentioned any more? Not by the Argus and not by the West Pier Trust.

The idea was to build the i360, and to use the funds to restore the pier to its former glory. (Many piers in Europe have been beautifully rebuilt - even those which were completely destroyed over the years). Why isn't Brighton even attempting to address this? and why the silence???
We really do need a statement from the West Pier Trust. Foreign tourists are often horrified at the wreck of the pier - and can't understand why its being left in that state.

As with the Palace Pier Theatre - which was dismantled, stored for future rebuilding, and then "lost", the newspapers were happy to never ask any questions or investigated what the hell really went on.

It's time to start asking questions.
A great article - well done! There are some very good ideas here as well, but I am disappointed that a remarkably important subject is still being ignored: Hasn't anyone noticed that the Restoration of the West Pier is never mentioned any more? Not by the Argus and not by the West Pier Trust. The idea was to build the i360, and to use the funds to restore the pier to its former glory. (Many piers in Europe have been beautifully rebuilt - even those which were completely destroyed over the years). Why isn't Brighton even attempting to address this? and why the silence??? We really do need a statement from the West Pier Trust. Foreign tourists are often horrified at the wreck of the pier - and can't understand why its being left in that state. As with the Palace Pier Theatre - which was dismantled, stored for future rebuilding, and then "lost", the newspapers were happy to never ask any questions or investigated what the hell really went on. It's time to start asking questions. davidbrianjones
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8:14am Tue 13 Nov 12

salty_pete says...

But if the tourists are discouraged by high/extortionate parking charges what good will all the hot air expended above actually do.
But if the tourists are discouraged by high/extortionate parking charges what good will all the hot air expended above actually do. salty_pete
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8:18am Tue 13 Nov 12

Camel54 says...

Hey - no Argus reader has yet complained that they can't park free! We've had the obligatory dig at the council (who have failed to create a glittering city by the sea, look after everyone, and not increase council tax in a time of unprecedented cuts to their income), we've had a quick dig at cyclists, so why not the usual bunch deciding to concrete over Hove Lawns so they can drive to the seafront and park for nothing?

otherwise, a good article raising some interesting points. We need to keep the seafront safe and fun for all users. An extension of Volks Railway to the Marina would be good. A tram from the marina to Hove Lagoon? A decent,safe, cycle track, not the afterthought we have now? better lanscaping, more planting and a more coherent "look" to the whole area?
I look forward to the results!
Hey - no Argus reader has yet complained that they can't park free! We've had the obligatory dig at the council (who have failed to create a glittering city by the sea, look after everyone, and not increase council tax in a time of unprecedented cuts to their income), we've had a quick dig at cyclists, so why not the usual bunch deciding to concrete over Hove Lawns so they can drive to the seafront and park for nothing? otherwise, a good article raising some interesting points. We need to keep the seafront safe and fun for all users. An extension of Volks Railway to the Marina would be good. A tram from the marina to Hove Lagoon? A decent,safe, cycle track, not the afterthought we have now? better lanscaping, more planting and a more coherent "look" to the whole area? I look forward to the results! Camel54
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8:42am Tue 13 Nov 12

Morpheus says...

The big question is always - where is the money coming from? We will not have any for years to come.
The big question is always - where is the money coming from? We will not have any for years to come. Morpheus
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9:09am Tue 13 Nov 12

Old Ladys Gin says...

Camel54 wrote:
Hey - no Argus reader has yet complained that they can't park free! We've had the obligatory dig at the council (who have failed to create a glittering city by the sea, look after everyone, and not increase council tax in a time of unprecedented cuts to their income), we've had a quick dig at cyclists, so why not the usual bunch deciding to concrete over Hove Lawns so they can drive to the seafront and park for nothing?

otherwise, a good article raising some interesting points. We need to keep the seafront safe and fun for all users. An extension of Volks Railway to the Marina would be good. A tram from the marina to Hove Lagoon? A decent,safe, cycle track, not the afterthought we have now? better lanscaping, more planting and a more coherent "look" to the whole area?
I look forward to the results!
No need to concrete anything over as more than ample parking could be built undergound.
Under all the squares not just one plus Western Road and the seafront.
It's done abroad by private contractors who then charge for their use.
[quote][p][bold]Camel54[/bold] wrote: Hey - no Argus reader has yet complained that they can't park free! We've had the obligatory dig at the council (who have failed to create a glittering city by the sea, look after everyone, and not increase council tax in a time of unprecedented cuts to their income), we've had a quick dig at cyclists, so why not the usual bunch deciding to concrete over Hove Lawns so they can drive to the seafront and park for nothing? otherwise, a good article raising some interesting points. We need to keep the seafront safe and fun for all users. An extension of Volks Railway to the Marina would be good. A tram from the marina to Hove Lagoon? A decent,safe, cycle track, not the afterthought we have now? better lanscaping, more planting and a more coherent "look" to the whole area? I look forward to the results![/p][/quote]No need to concrete anything over as more than ample parking could be built undergound. Under all the squares not just one plus Western Road and the seafront. It's done abroad by private contractors who then charge for their use. Old Ladys Gin
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10:28am Tue 13 Nov 12

davidbrianjones says...

Thoughts of a foreign tourist (female, German) who recently visited Brighton for 5 days:

(these are her real thoughts, as reported to myself).

"Brighton is remarkably beautiful, the people always friendly and very helpful and the food absolutely out of this world! (ate at many places including Food for Friends, Nandos, The West Cornwall Pastie Company,
Al Fresco and Vbites). Only Grubbs burgers in Western road was a dissapointment! Disgusting! (taste)

The Promenade is the most beautiful and exiting I have seen - a truly wonderful atmosphere. The highlight?? the slot machine museum down on the beach West of the Palace Pier. About to close down though, the owner told me due to very high rent. The low-light? The promenade under the Palace Pier.
This is where I left the beach area and moved up into the town. Would have liked to continue walking to the East, but it was dark and spooky under there and it smelled of urine.

Best breakfast I have ever had! (The wonderful lady at the Old Ship Hotel really looked after me - she has been there , organizing breakfast for many years I was told.

I also loved: the Hove Lawns, The Museum , North Laine, The Laines, The Old Steine (pity the fountain had not been repaired - no water!), the arches East of the Pier,
Churchill square, the church in west Street (beautiful service on sunday)
Volks railway, the lovely museum and much much more. - will be returning in 2013 to this lovely city"

The person in question does, incidentally, speak no English at all - her thoughts are translated by myself - and still managed to get by with the help of the Brightonians. Nice to hear that Brighton made such a good impression. The bit about the ugly and spooky area under the Palace Pier rings true though.
Thoughts of a foreign tourist (female, German) who recently visited Brighton for 5 days: (these are her real thoughts, as reported to myself). "Brighton is remarkably beautiful, the people always friendly and very helpful and the food absolutely out of this world! (ate at many places including Food for Friends, Nandos, The West Cornwall Pastie Company, Al Fresco and Vbites). Only Grubbs burgers in Western road was a dissapointment! Disgusting! (taste) The Promenade is the most beautiful and exiting I have seen - a truly wonderful atmosphere. The highlight?? the slot machine museum down on the beach West of the Palace Pier. About to close down though, the owner told me due to very high rent. The low-light? The promenade under the Palace Pier. This is where I left the beach area and moved up into the town. Would have liked to continue walking to the East, but it was dark and spooky under there and it smelled of urine. Best breakfast I have ever had! (The wonderful lady at the Old Ship Hotel really looked after me - she has been there , organizing breakfast for many years I was told. I also loved: the Hove Lawns, The Museum , North Laine, The Laines, The Old Steine (pity the fountain had not been repaired - no water!), the arches East of the Pier, Churchill square, the church in west Street (beautiful service on sunday) Volks railway, the lovely museum and much much more. - will be returning in 2013 to this lovely city" The person in question does, incidentally, speak no English at all - her thoughts are translated by myself - and still managed to get by with the help of the Brightonians. Nice to hear that Brighton made such a good impression. The bit about the ugly and spooky area under the Palace Pier rings true though. davidbrianjones
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10:28am Tue 13 Nov 12

davidbrianjones says...

Thoughts of a foreign tourist (female, German) who recently visited Brighton for 5 days:

(these are her real thoughts, as reported to myself).

"Brighton is remarkably beautiful, the people always friendly and very helpful and the food absolutely out of this world! (ate at many places including Food for Friends, Nandos, The West Cornwall Pastie Company,
Al Fresco and Vbites). Only Grubbs burgers in Western road was a dissapointment! Disgusting! (taste)

The Promenade is the most beautiful and exiting I have seen - a truly wonderful atmosphere. The highlight?? the slot machine museum down on the beach West of the Palace Pier. About to close down though, the owner told me due to very high rent. The low-light? The promenade under the Palace Pier.
This is where I left the beach area and moved up into the town. Would have liked to continue walking to the East, but it was dark and spooky under there and it smelled of urine.

Best breakfast I have ever had! (The wonderful lady at the Old Ship Hotel really looked after me - she has been there , organizing breakfast for many years I was told.

I also loved: the Hove Lawns, The Museum , North Laine, The Laines, The Old Steine (pity the fountain had not been repaired - no water!), the arches East of the Pier,
Churchill square, the church in west Street (beautiful service on sunday)
Volks railway, the lovely museum and much much more. - will be returning in 2013 to this lovely city"

The person in question does, incidentally, speak no English at all - her thoughts are translated by myself - and still managed to get by with the help of the Brightonians. Nice to hear that Brighton made such a good impression. The bit about the ugly and spooky area under the Palace Pier rings true though.
Thoughts of a foreign tourist (female, German) who recently visited Brighton for 5 days: (these are her real thoughts, as reported to myself). "Brighton is remarkably beautiful, the people always friendly and very helpful and the food absolutely out of this world! (ate at many places including Food for Friends, Nandos, The West Cornwall Pastie Company, Al Fresco and Vbites). Only Grubbs burgers in Western road was a dissapointment! Disgusting! (taste) The Promenade is the most beautiful and exiting I have seen - a truly wonderful atmosphere. The highlight?? the slot machine museum down on the beach West of the Palace Pier. About to close down though, the owner told me due to very high rent. The low-light? The promenade under the Palace Pier. This is where I left the beach area and moved up into the town. Would have liked to continue walking to the East, but it was dark and spooky under there and it smelled of urine. Best breakfast I have ever had! (The wonderful lady at the Old Ship Hotel really looked after me - she has been there , organizing breakfast for many years I was told. I also loved: the Hove Lawns, The Museum , North Laine, The Laines, The Old Steine (pity the fountain had not been repaired - no water!), the arches East of the Pier, Churchill square, the church in west Street (beautiful service on sunday) Volks railway, the lovely museum and much much more. - will be returning in 2013 to this lovely city" The person in question does, incidentally, speak no English at all - her thoughts are translated by myself - and still managed to get by with the help of the Brightonians. Nice to hear that Brighton made such a good impression. The bit about the ugly and spooky area under the Palace Pier rings true though. davidbrianjones
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12:11pm Tue 13 Nov 12

leahlou says...

I really don't want to see hove seafront become too commercial. I can see the need for development of king alfred site, but anything that makes the stretch from the lagoon to the king alfred too busy and commercial would take away the peace we all enjoy strolling along there.
I really don't want to see hove seafront become too commercial. I can see the need for development of king alfred site, but anything that makes the stretch from the lagoon to the king alfred too busy and commercial would take away the peace we all enjoy strolling along there. leahlou
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1:55pm Tue 13 Nov 12

toldsloth says...

Complete pie-in-the-sky

The council funding for the i360 should be the subject of a judicial review.

To answer the question regarding why there are no plans to restore the West Pier; that would be due to the fact their isn't anything left to restore! The ironwork is distorted from the arson attacks by "persons well known" (cough) and therefore it is not cost effective to do anything, even demolish whats there.

Hove "Prom" needs something doing with it badly - the vast expanse of tarmac looks awful and seems to be a mecca for moronic cyclists who cannot read the four foot high "No Cycling" signs painted on the floor.

The lower prom looks awful - why not turf the area near the bandstand instead of leaving it as rubble?

Volks Railway extension - are you really serious?!

Relocate the cycle lane - to where?

All the "Major Developments" are anything but - Black Rock has lain derelict for years and will remain so because it's basically just a chunk of land at the "wrong" end of the seafront. The Brighton Centre makes too much money to simply knock it down and be replaced by....what?. The i360 is a huge folly which the "owners" couldn't even persuade the banks to lend them the money for because their business plan leaked like a sieve. Still the council will come to the rescue and dump a load of taxpayers money into it because its a "prestige development" (sic). Kind Alfred - get real........

Basically it's all a load of clap-trap and yet another "non-story" by this ppor excuse for a paper.....
Complete pie-in-the-sky The council funding for the i360 should be the subject of a judicial review. To answer the question regarding why there are no plans to restore the West Pier; that would be due to the fact their isn't anything left to restore! The ironwork is distorted from the arson attacks by "persons well known" (cough) and therefore it is not cost effective to do anything, even demolish whats there. Hove "Prom" needs something doing with it badly - the vast expanse of tarmac looks awful and seems to be a mecca for moronic cyclists who cannot read the four foot high "No Cycling" signs painted on the floor. The lower prom looks awful - why not turf the area near the bandstand instead of leaving it as rubble? Volks Railway extension - are you really serious?! Relocate the cycle lane - to where? All the "Major Developments" are anything but - Black Rock has lain derelict for years and will remain so because it's basically just a chunk of land at the "wrong" end of the seafront. The Brighton Centre makes too much money to simply knock it down and be replaced by....what?. The i360 is a huge folly which the "owners" couldn't even persuade the banks to lend them the money for because their business plan leaked like a sieve. Still the council will come to the rescue and dump a load of taxpayers money into it because its a "prestige development" (sic). Kind Alfred - get real........ Basically it's all a load of clap-trap and yet another "non-story" by this ppor excuse for a paper..... toldsloth
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3:18pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Smartbloke says...

toldsloth wrote:
Complete pie-in-the-sky

The council funding for the i360 should be the subject of a judicial review.

To answer the question regarding why there are no plans to restore the West Pier; that would be due to the fact their isn't anything left to restore! The ironwork is distorted from the arson attacks by "persons well known" (cough) and therefore it is not cost effective to do anything, even demolish whats there.

Hove "Prom" needs something doing with it badly - the vast expanse of tarmac looks awful and seems to be a mecca for moronic cyclists who cannot read the four foot high "No Cycling" signs painted on the floor.

The lower prom looks awful - why not turf the area near the bandstand instead of leaving it as rubble?

Volks Railway extension - are you really serious?!

Relocate the cycle lane - to where?

All the "Major Developments" are anything but - Black Rock has lain derelict for years and will remain so because it's basically just a chunk of land at the "wrong" end of the seafront. The Brighton Centre makes too much money to simply knock it down and be replaced by....what?. The i360 is a huge folly which the "owners" couldn't even persuade the banks to lend them the money for because their business plan leaked like a sieve. Still the council will come to the rescue and dump a load of taxpayers money into it because its a "prestige development" (sic). Kind Alfred - get real........

Basically it's all a load of clap-trap and yet another "non-story" by this ppor excuse for a paper.....
Oh dear, someone else in the infamous Argus comments section who can't see beyond their own misery. Sounds like Basingstoke is the place for you. You can see yourself out.

FWIW - there are some good ideas in the outline documents. I'm sure not all will come to pass (that's not misery, that's usually down to practicalities), but getting the ball rolling with ideas and imagination - something Brighton does well at - can only be a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]toldsloth[/bold] wrote: Complete pie-in-the-sky The council funding for the i360 should be the subject of a judicial review. To answer the question regarding why there are no plans to restore the West Pier; that would be due to the fact their isn't anything left to restore! The ironwork is distorted from the arson attacks by "persons well known" (cough) and therefore it is not cost effective to do anything, even demolish whats there. Hove "Prom" needs something doing with it badly - the vast expanse of tarmac looks awful and seems to be a mecca for moronic cyclists who cannot read the four foot high "No Cycling" signs painted on the floor. The lower prom looks awful - why not turf the area near the bandstand instead of leaving it as rubble? Volks Railway extension - are you really serious?! Relocate the cycle lane - to where? All the "Major Developments" are anything but - Black Rock has lain derelict for years and will remain so because it's basically just a chunk of land at the "wrong" end of the seafront. The Brighton Centre makes too much money to simply knock it down and be replaced by....what?. The i360 is a huge folly which the "owners" couldn't even persuade the banks to lend them the money for because their business plan leaked like a sieve. Still the council will come to the rescue and dump a load of taxpayers money into it because its a "prestige development" (sic). Kind Alfred - get real........ Basically it's all a load of clap-trap and yet another "non-story" by this ppor excuse for a paper.....[/p][/quote]Oh dear, someone else in the infamous Argus comments section who can't see beyond their own misery. Sounds like Basingstoke is the place for you. You can see yourself out. FWIW - there are some good ideas in the outline documents. I'm sure not all will come to pass (that's not misery, that's usually down to practicalities), but getting the ball rolling with ideas and imagination - something Brighton does well at - can only be a good thing. Smartbloke
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5:03pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Hovite says...

I have to disagree with you there Smartbloke, I don't know where you get all the positives from.

Brighton doesn't do well at getting the ball rolling with ideas and imagination.

However the council are really efficient at dancing with developers who verbally splash their cash on grand schemes that never happen. There is a lot of money to be made in failed projects, not forgetting the council officers who really run the show and escape the blame of continuous failure.

Rebuilding the West Pier, Marina Skyscrapers, Black Rock ice rink, King Alfred Gehry, Brighton Centre, the mono rail from the Marina to Shoreham Airport.

Everything apart from the West Pier is exactly the same as it was in the 70’s only 40 years older. Almost forgot, we have also lost our seafront illuminations and the old sputnik light, bottom of West Street.


Peter Pans playground use to thrive, and was then deserted, maybe putting a nudist beach next to it didn’t help. This doesn’t help the Volks railway either. Nice stretch of coastline for families and kids?

Can you give me an example to go with your comment Smartbloke?
I have to disagree with you there Smartbloke, I don't know where you get all the positives from. Brighton doesn't do well at getting the ball rolling with ideas and imagination. However the council are really efficient at dancing with developers who verbally splash their cash on grand schemes that never happen. There is a lot of money to be made in failed projects, not forgetting the council officers who really run the show and escape the blame of continuous failure. Rebuilding the West Pier, Marina Skyscrapers, Black Rock ice rink, King Alfred Gehry, Brighton Centre, the mono rail from the Marina to Shoreham Airport. Everything apart from the West Pier is exactly the same as it was in the 70’s only 40 years older. Almost forgot, we have also lost our seafront illuminations and the old sputnik light, bottom of West Street. Peter Pans playground use to thrive, and was then deserted, maybe putting a nudist beach next to it didn’t help. This doesn’t help the Volks railway either. Nice stretch of coastline for families and kids? Can you give me an example to go with your comment Smartbloke? Hovite
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7:11pm Tue 13 Nov 12

davidbrianjones says...

Oh yes - i miss the seafront illuminations as well. What on earth happened to them? Bring back the Sputnik light on the Kiosk at the bottom of West Street.
And what about the peacock with the changing colours? bring them back!!!
Oh yes - i miss the seafront illuminations as well. What on earth happened to them? Bring back the Sputnik light on the Kiosk at the bottom of West Street. And what about the peacock with the changing colours? bring them back!!! davidbrianjones
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8:30pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Hovite says...

Exactly davidbrianjones, those were the days. The city has lost it's identity, even the Victorians had more imagination and ambition.

The West Pier is 30 years older than the Titanic and we let it sink. Nothing to do with an iceberg on that one and it’s an insult to the engineers who built it.
Exactly davidbrianjones, those were the days. The city has lost it's identity, even the Victorians had more imagination and ambition. The West Pier is 30 years older than the Titanic and we let it sink. Nothing to do with an iceberg on that one and it’s an insult to the engineers who built it. Hovite
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9:11pm Tue 13 Nov 12

davidbrianjones says...

well said. It's embarassing how little we respect re history.

Oh - and on the subject of the illuminations - what about the fountain?
(no not the one in the old steine which doesnt work - I mean the illumination feature on the seafront)

bring back the sputnik, the peacock and the fountain!!!!
well said. It's embarassing how little we respect re history. Oh - and on the subject of the illuminations - what about the fountain? (no not the one in the old steine which doesnt work - I mean the illumination feature on the seafront) bring back the sputnik, the peacock and the fountain!!!! davidbrianjones
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9:23pm Tue 13 Nov 12

davidbrianjones says...

mind you, there are loads of things I miss on the seafront apart from the illuminations: (ones which really are forever gone):

the waxworks
Dolls in Wonderland
The "Alhambra"
The house on the haunted hill, and the crazy maze (Palace pier)
The Ghost train (West Pier) (and Palace Pier as well of course)
Green (great place to eat)
The vintage car exhibition (aquarium)
Railwayland
The stuffed animal exhibition
The annual art exhibition (near the peace statue)
The boating lake
Fatboy Slim on the Beach
and much much more!!!
mind you, there are loads of things I miss on the seafront apart from the illuminations: (ones which really are forever gone): the waxworks Dolls in Wonderland The "Alhambra" The house on the haunted hill, and the crazy maze (Palace pier) The Ghost train (West Pier) (and Palace Pier as well of course) Green (great place to eat) The vintage car exhibition (aquarium) Railwayland The stuffed animal exhibition The annual art exhibition (near the peace statue) The boating lake Fatboy Slim on the Beach and much much more!!! davidbrianjones
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9:53pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Hovite says...

Yeah I remember Louis Tussaud's horror waxworks, and the dolphins, although we didn't know it was cruel at the time.

Seacat from Marina to France was a worthy attraction for the town.
Yeah I remember Louis Tussaud's horror waxworks, and the dolphins, although we didn't know it was cruel at the time. Seacat from Marina to France was a worthy attraction for the town. Hovite
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