Water meter for every home in Brighton and Hove

The Argus: Approximately 75,000 water meters are due to be installed across Brighton and Hove by October 2013 Approximately 75,000 water meters are due to be installed across Brighton and Hove by October 2013

Water meters will be installed for almost every home in Brighton and Hove in the next year.

Southern Water has announced the biggest ever change to water charging in the city, which could produce more winners than losers.

Some 75,000 devices will be placed inside or outside homes so customers are charged for the water they use, rather than a flat rate.

The water company argues the overhaul is essential to counter water shortages. Because the Government has classed the South East as a region of “serious water stress”, Southern Water has the power to make metered households compulsory.

Meter installation teams have started work at properties in Hove and will work from west to east, with the aim of finishing all work by October 2013.

The company says it will avoid working in central Brighton and Hove during the Christmas and summer months.

Darren Bentham, Southern Water’s director of metering, said: “As well as helping to secure water resources for the future, metering is the fairest way to charge as people pay for what they use. It puts people in control of their bills.”

More than 70,000 meters have already been installed in West Sussex since 2010 as part of the company’s five-year plan, Since the equipment was rolled out, 59% of customers reported a reduction in their water bills, while 41 % saw an increase.

Water efficiency

Southern Water spokesman said: “Those who need financial assistance are also offered a visit from a Green Doctor who will fit free water efficient devices such as tap aerators and low consumption shower heads.”

Customers will receive a letter and information pack four weeks in advance of the meter installation, followed by blue signs appearing in streets a week before the work is due and pink signs when the work is complete. One in ten homes, or 7,500 homes, will need to be accessed for the meters to be installed.

The roll-out of meters has attracted attention from consumer bodies, which fear some customers will face financial difficulties.

A spokesman from “Which?” warned that households with large families should expect an increase in bills after having a water meter installed.

He said: “Meters can help cut water use by making consumers more aware of the amount of water they're using.

“But while some can and do save money from meters, others - particularly large families - may see their bills rise if meters become compulsory. We want to see water companies and regulators considering the impact on all customers before making sweeping changes to the charging system.”

For further information on Southern Water’s plans, visit www.yourwatermeter.co.uk or call Southern Water’s Metering Centre on 0333 2003 013.

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1:23pm Wed 14 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable. mimseycal

1:37pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

It's the perfect business model...

Get everyone to use less of a 'product' and continue to increase the unit cost...

Charge more for less!
It's the perfect business model... Get everyone to use less of a 'product' and continue to increase the unit cost... Charge more for less! sbiscorrupt

1:43pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

Once the meters are rolled out watch the price soar to counteract the loss of profits because people use less. Don't think it will happen ? Look at what has happened to gas an electricity !

The position Southern Water need to install my meter at is on my drive - I'll be ensuring a car is parked over it at all times !
Once the meters are rolled out watch the price soar to counteract the loss of profits because people use less. Don't think it will happen ? Look at what has happened to gas an electricity ! The position Southern Water need to install my meter at is on my drive - I'll be ensuring a car is parked over it at all times ! Fight_Back

1:47pm Wed 14 Nov 12

bug eye says...

of course it is fair to pay for what you use and not be subsidised by others. with water shortage worldwide this is a precious resource that needs using sensibly. residents do not need to water gardens excessively or kids play with the hose pipe or wash a car every week, or stay in the shower for 20 mins etc. you do not need to flush the loo evertime or run 4 separate baths a day. If large families use water properly they will not be out of pocket. it is about personal responsibility.
of course it is fair to pay for what you use and not be subsidised by others. with water shortage worldwide this is a precious resource that needs using sensibly. residents do not need to water gardens excessively or kids play with the hose pipe or wash a car every week, or stay in the shower for 20 mins etc. you do not need to flush the loo evertime or run 4 separate baths a day. If large families use water properly they will not be out of pocket. it is about personal responsibility. bug eye

2:12pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Gary Manilow says...

"Southern Water has announced the biggest ever change to water charging in the city, which will produce almost as many winners as losers."

So they're incurring the extra cost in order to make the same amount of money? What a load of rubbish. It'll cost us all more.
"Southern Water has announced the biggest ever change to water charging in the city, which will produce almost as many winners as losers." So they're incurring the extra cost in order to make the same amount of money? What a load of rubbish. It'll cost us all more. Gary Manilow

2:21pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Rocco10 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Once the meters are rolled out watch the price soar to counteract the loss of profits because people use less. Don't think it will happen ? Look at what has happened to gas an electricity ! The position Southern Water need to install my meter at is on my drive - I'll be ensuring a car is parked over it at all times !
You don't need to be on a meter for them to increase charges. A meter might be your best defence actually, and those that stay on a flat rate for whatever reason will find that flat rate becomes very high, very quickly. Then I suspect your car might move.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Once the meters are rolled out watch the price soar to counteract the loss of profits because people use less. Don't think it will happen ? Look at what has happened to gas an electricity ! The position Southern Water need to install my meter at is on my drive - I'll be ensuring a car is parked over it at all times ![/p][/quote]You don't need to be on a meter for them to increase charges. A meter might be your best defence actually, and those that stay on a flat rate for whatever reason will find that flat rate becomes very high, very quickly. Then I suspect your car might move. Rocco10

2:28pm Wed 14 Nov 12

RickH says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Once the meters are rolled out watch the price soar to counteract the loss of profits because people use less. Don't think it will happen ? Look at what has happened to gas an electricity ! The position Southern Water need to install my meter at is on my drive - I'll be ensuring a car is parked over it at all times !
At which point did the price of gas and electricity rise because of the introduction of metering - I suspect that you may be conflating two very different issues :)
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Once the meters are rolled out watch the price soar to counteract the loss of profits because people use less. Don't think it will happen ? Look at what has happened to gas an electricity ! The position Southern Water need to install my meter at is on my drive - I'll be ensuring a car is parked over it at all times ![/p][/quote]At which point did the price of gas and electricity rise because of the introduction of metering - I suspect that you may be conflating two very different issues :) RickH

2:36pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Para2805 says...

Yet another con. Just like every other company providing an essential service, they will always be able to shaft people and there is nothing anyone can do about. Just bend over people!
Yet another con. Just like every other company providing an essential service, they will always be able to shaft people and there is nothing anyone can do about. Just bend over people! Para2805

2:49pm Wed 14 Nov 12

StyleCop says...

...another notch on Maggies Bed post...
...another notch on Maggies Bed post... StyleCop

2:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Crystal Ball says...

"...customers are charged for the water they use...".

Where's the problem?
"...customers are charged for the water they use...". Where's the problem? Crystal Ball

2:56pm Wed 14 Nov 12

inadaptado says...

I don't understand why this hasn't happened sooner. Flat rates are a scam, you should only pay for what you use. And please don't come to me with the "it will mean prices will rise". Prices will rise no matter what due to the greed of the companies, that's a completely different story.
I don't understand why this hasn't happened sooner. Flat rates are a scam, you should only pay for what you use. And please don't come to me with the "it will mean prices will rise". Prices will rise no matter what due to the greed of the companies, that's a completely different story. inadaptado

3:00pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Mr P Brown says...

I agree that when every household has a meter the price may well rocket, which is exactly why I have had a meter put in now. It is saving me £144 a year. So yes it will eventually go up, but at least I’ve saved money before it does.
I agree that when every household has a meter the price may well rocket, which is exactly why I have had a meter put in now. It is saving me £144 a year. So yes it will eventually go up, but at least I’ve saved money before it does. Mr P Brown

3:00pm Wed 14 Nov 12

pjwilk says...

We have abundance of water we are surounded by sea which can be purified,people use a lot less water now as tap water is usually unfit to drink.So its all down to making more profit.Its will hit families with children worse.It is a fundamental right to have clean water for health and hygene.We used to pay for water in with our council tax but they separated it and gradually made it more expensive ,a seperate tax,as is sewerage charge now seperated.We need water gas and electric and water re-nationalised.
We have abundance of water we are surounded by sea which can be purified,people use a lot less water now as tap water is usually unfit to drink.So its all down to making more profit.Its will hit families with children worse.It is a fundamental right to have clean water for health and hygene.We used to pay for water in with our council tax but they separated it and gradually made it more expensive ,a seperate tax,as is sewerage charge now seperated.We need water gas and electric and water re-nationalised. pjwilk

3:06pm Wed 14 Nov 12

BiggerH says...

those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for.

Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay BiggerH

3:13pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Morpheus says...

It should be done national. It is ridiculous that some people are not charged for what they use.
It should be done national. It is ridiculous that some people are not charged for what they use. Morpheus

3:38pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

Funnily enough if you use no water at all you still get charged...

And SW charge almost double the amount to 'remove' the water they have supplied...

Btw, those lucky enough to have a home where SW need access to install a meter...read up on 'removal of implied right of access', and get anyone arrested for harrasment/trespass if they try and install one!
Funnily enough if you use no water at all you still get charged... And SW charge almost double the amount to 'remove' the water they have supplied... Btw, those lucky enough to have a home where SW need access to install a meter...read up on 'removal of implied right of access', and get anyone arrested for harrasment/trespass if they try and install one! sbiscorrupt

3:57pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Gary Manilow says...

If water is so scarce how do you account for this?

"Southern Water had a target of limiting leaks to 83million litres – 18.26million gallons – per day in 2010-2011 and the actual leakage was 16 per cent higher at 96million litres, 21.12million gallons."
If water is so scarce how do you account for this? "Southern Water had a target of limiting leaks to 83million litres – 18.26million gallons – per day in 2010-2011 and the actual leakage was 16 per cent higher at 96million litres, 21.12million gallons." Gary Manilow

4:01pm Wed 14 Nov 12

saraman says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
I agree that when every household has a meter the price may well rocket, which is exactly why I have had a meter put in now. It is saving me £144 a year. So yes it will eventually go up, but at least I’ve saved money before it does.
I did exactly the same Mr P. As soon as my meter was installed I phoned SW and was metered instantly. I'm now paying £32/month for 12 months instead of £58/month for 10 months for a band D property. A saving of £206 on a full year. I want to make savings now for I agree that as soon as we are all on meters the shaeholders will kick up as their dividends will suffer. They can't have that can they and the price will rise to make up the shortfall. Like all utilities they have us by the short and curlies.
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: I agree that when every household has a meter the price may well rocket, which is exactly why I have had a meter put in now. It is saving me £144 a year. So yes it will eventually go up, but at least I’ve saved money before it does.[/p][/quote]I did exactly the same Mr P. As soon as my meter was installed I phoned SW and was metered instantly. I'm now paying £32/month for 12 months instead of £58/month for 10 months for a band D property. A saving of £206 on a full year. I want to make savings now for I agree that as soon as we are all on meters the shaeholders will kick up as their dividends will suffer. They can't have that can they and the price will rise to make up the shortfall. Like all utilities they have us by the short and curlies. saraman

4:41pm Wed 14 Nov 12

leobrighton says...

Typical moaners and groaners on the Arsegas website again. Getting a free meter with the possibility of reducing your bills and they all moan. I found when I had one put in my bills were less than half what they were before.
Typical moaners and groaners on the Arsegas website again. Getting a free meter with the possibility of reducing your bills and they all moan. I found when I had one put in my bills were less than half what they were before. leobrighton

4:45pm Wed 14 Nov 12

RottingdeanRant says...

BiggerH wrote:
those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for.

Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
In fact if you have a leak you can claim back the excess water charge. I had a pipe burst in my garage and using the past readings they refunded the amour that appeared to be above the normal use for that period. From Southern Waters Code of Practice 'Will my metered bill be corrected?
This depends on the circumstances.
If you are paying metered charges, we will correct both water supply and wastewater charges to reflect the extra amount of water recorded because of the leak once it has been repaired. We normally re-calculate your metered charges based on past usage. Where there is no record of past consumption, the adjustment shall be based upon typical usage for a property of a similar type.
[quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]In fact if you have a leak you can claim back the excess water charge. I had a pipe burst in my garage and using the past readings they refunded the amour that appeared to be above the normal use for that period. From Southern Waters Code of Practice 'Will my metered bill be corrected? This depends on the circumstances. If you are paying metered charges, we will correct both water supply and wastewater charges to reflect the extra amount of water recorded because of the leak once it has been repaired. We normally re-calculate your metered charges based on past usage. Where there is no record of past consumption, the adjustment shall be based upon typical usage for a property of a similar type. RottingdeanRant

5:33pm Wed 14 Nov 12

plantwoman says...

They are installing meters in the Adur area at the moment. We have ours and as there are only two in our household, we should notice the difference.
People should pay for what they use, especially those who fill up their rather large plunge pools every summer and then let the water run down the road when they empty it!! The example I'm making is someone living in North Lancing - it takes two or three days to empty it - very wasteful indeed.
They are installing meters in the Adur area at the moment. We have ours and as there are only two in our household, we should notice the difference. People should pay for what they use, especially those who fill up their rather large plunge pools every summer and then let the water run down the road when they empty it!! The example I'm making is someone living in North Lancing - it takes two or three days to empty it - very wasteful indeed. plantwoman

5:35pm Wed 14 Nov 12

taman says...

Crystal Ball says...
2:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

"...customers are charged for the water they use...".

Where's the problem?”


customers are charged for the gas thet use...

Whats the problem ?
Crystal Ball says... 2:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12 "...customers are charged for the water they use...". Where's the problem?” customers are charged for the gas thet use... Whats the problem ? taman

6:06pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Mr P Brown says...

BiggerH wrote:
those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
[quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly Mr P Brown

6:10pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

A key commodity such as water should not be provided on the ability to pay - everyone needs water. It should never have been privatised in the first place.
A key commodity such as water should not be provided on the ability to pay - everyone needs water. It should never have been privatised in the first place. Fight_Back

6:17pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote:
those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak... sbiscorrupt

6:21pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sasquatch2202 says...

Blame Thatcher, selling off all the essential services to muppets who made a quick £100. It's mainly wealthy shareholders, who didn't have to sell up to make ends meet after Thatcher and Lawson f###Ed the economy up, who rake in share dividends. this is what keeps prices rising.
Blame Thatcher, selling off all the essential services to muppets who made a quick £100. It's mainly wealthy shareholders, who didn't have to sell up to make ends meet after Thatcher and Lawson f###Ed the economy up, who rake in share dividends. this is what keeps prices rising. sasquatch2202

6:29pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Take it Personally says...

Living in a house, one of five flats, I asked for a meter a few years back and was told they could do one for the whole house (ie 5 flats together) but not each individual flat.

Hope they've upgraded their system now or it won't be fair.

And another thing... as a private company there's no such thing as "free", who will be paying for all these new meters and their installation??? I'm guessing we will.... Hope they sort out their own leaks before they start punishing us
Living in a house, one of five flats, I asked for a meter a few years back and was told they could do one for the whole house (ie 5 flats together) but not each individual flat. Hope they've upgraded their system now or it won't be fair. And another thing... as a private company there's no such thing as "free", who will be paying for all these new meters and their installation??? I'm guessing we will.... Hope they sort out their own leaks before they start punishing us Take it Personally

6:32pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Mr P Brown says...

sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
I don't. I just said you could.
[quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]I don't. I just said you could. Mr P Brown

6:46pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
I don't. I just said you could.
The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly...

In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else...

'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it!
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]I don't. I just said you could.[/p][/quote]The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it! sbiscorrupt

7:02pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Mr P Brown says...

sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
I don't. I just said you could.
The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it!
Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again
[quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]I don't. I just said you could.[/p][/quote]The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it![/p][/quote]Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again Mr P Brown

7:05pm Wed 14 Nov 12

saraman says...

Fight_Back wrote:
A key commodity such as water should not be provided on the ability to pay - everyone needs water. It should never have been privatised in the first place.
Agree 100%, but we are where we are. Glen Murray should never had gone to C Palace but he did.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: A key commodity such as water should not be provided on the ability to pay - everyone needs water. It should never have been privatised in the first place.[/p][/quote]Agree 100%, but we are where we are. Glen Murray should never had gone to C Palace but he did. saraman

7:07pm Wed 14 Nov 12

danielsreef says...

Bring on the meter! I asked my private landlord if my partner and I could get one fitted in our two bedroom flat to save on our near £600 bill. He replied `no` as he and his family might want to move back in one day !! . Previous flat had a meter ( similar property) and our bill was £350 . Pay for what you use. No meter also gives me no incentive to save water either ( selfish , but hey, sue me) ;-)
Bring on the meter! I asked my private landlord if my partner and I could get one fitted in our two bedroom flat to save on our near £600 bill. He replied `no` as he and his family might want to move back in one day !! . Previous flat had a meter ( similar property) and our bill was £350 . Pay for what you use. No meter also gives me no incentive to save water either ( selfish , but hey, sue me) ;-) danielsreef

7:26pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
I don't. I just said you could.
The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it!
Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again
As ever some people just don't get it...

I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question!
[quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]I don't. I just said you could.[/p][/quote]The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it![/p][/quote]Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again[/p][/quote]As ever some people just don't get it... I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question! sbiscorrupt

7:34pm Wed 14 Nov 12

HamSandwich says...

Mr P Brown wrote:

sbiscorrupt wrote:

Mr P Brown wrote:

sbiscorrupt wrote:

Mr P Brown wrote:

BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay

Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly

I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...

I don't. I just said you could.

The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it!

Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again

As ever some people just don't get it...

I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question!"

I hope those "showers" are on a meter, it should be quite a saving. Nutjob.
Mr P Brown wrote: sbiscorrupt wrote: Mr P Brown wrote: sbiscorrupt wrote: Mr P Brown wrote: BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak... I don't. I just said you could. The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it! Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again As ever some people just don't get it... I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question!" I hope those "showers" are on a meter, it should be quite a saving. Nutjob. HamSandwich

7:51pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
I don't. I just said you could.
The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it!
Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again
As ever some people just don't get it...

I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question!
To sbiscorrupt;-

I hope you live alone because you seem a right cynic and would probably drive anyone living with you to suicide.

lighten up you misery
[quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]I don't. I just said you could.[/p][/quote]The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it![/p][/quote]Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again[/p][/quote]As ever some people just don't get it... I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question![/p][/quote]To sbiscorrupt;- I hope you live alone because you seem a right cynic and would probably drive anyone living with you to suicide. lighten up you misery Idontbelieveit1948

8:34pm Wed 14 Nov 12

hubby says...

mimseycal wrote:
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car.
You pay for the electric you use.
You pay for the gas you use.
Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use?

Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids? hubby

8:40pm Wed 14 Nov 12

good2bback says...

water meters are good...but make sure Southern water are reading the right meter! When you move into a metered flat/house call then out to do a reading. They got all our flats mixed up...and had to write off and start again...i was paying £86 pm now £25 pm
water meters are good...but make sure Southern water are reading the right meter! When you move into a metered flat/house call then out to do a reading. They got all our flats mixed up...and had to write off and start again...i was paying £86 pm now £25 pm good2bback

8:52pm Wed 14 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car.
You pay for the electric you use.
You pay for the gas you use.
Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use?

Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Indeed, but careful what you wish for because those kids having paid £9000 a year tuition fees at Uni, then expected to pay through the nose for housing and with little chance of an occupational pension may resent paying for the little old lady's pension, bus pass, TV licence etc when her generation made such a mess of it!
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Indeed, but careful what you wish for because those kids having paid £9000 a year tuition fees at Uni, then expected to pay through the nose for housing and with little chance of an occupational pension may resent paying for the little old lady's pension, bus pass, TV licence etc when her generation made such a mess of it! HJarrs

8:58pm Wed 14 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

According to some of the research reports on the internet, the majority of water savings are down to the water company being to better identify leaks on their side of the meter.

I would be quite happy to have a meter as we have already put in a number of water saving measures. However, for the majority I would have preffered to have seen the cost of water meters (which are just added to the water bill) being spent on replacing 9 litre flush toilets with low water use models and fitting tap aerators and low consumption shower heads. These devices save a lot of water, whilst a water meter itself saves none.
According to some of the research reports on the internet, the majority of water savings are down to the water company being to better identify leaks on their side of the meter. I would be quite happy to have a meter as we have already put in a number of water saving measures. However, for the majority I would have preffered to have seen the cost of water meters (which are just added to the water bill) being spent on replacing 9 litre flush toilets with low water use models and fitting tap aerators and low consumption shower heads. These devices save a lot of water, whilst a water meter itself saves none. HJarrs

9:25pm Wed 14 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
I don't. I just said you could.
The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it!
Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again
As ever some people just don't get it...

I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question!
To sbiscorrupt;-

I hope you live alone because you seem a right cynic and would probably drive anyone living with you to suicide.

lighten up you misery
There's an apt word for you...

It's called a mushroom...

Happy to be kept in the dark and fed on sh*t!
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]I don't. I just said you could.[/p][/quote]The trouble is that it will be you and your ilk that will bleat the loudest when you believe you have been treated unfairly... In the meantime you don't gine a fcuk for anyone else... 'divide and rule' works brilliantly doesn't it![/p][/quote]Me and my ilk whoever the (quote 'fcuk') they are, are just making hay while the sun shines. When the water companies put the price up, as they will for sure. At least me, and my ilk, will have had a bit of cheaper water before it happens As far as I can see at the minute you are bleating louder then any other cnut (see I can do it too) on here. Power to the people. Wnaker, there I did it again[/p][/quote]As ever some people just don't get it... I bet you are one of those who would be happily led to the 'showers' without question![/p][/quote]To sbiscorrupt;- I hope you live alone because you seem a right cynic and would probably drive anyone living with you to suicide. lighten up you misery[/p][/quote]There's an apt word for you... It's called a mushroom... Happy to be kept in the dark and fed on sh*t! sbiscorrupt

9:28pm Wed 14 Nov 12

hubby says...

HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car.
You pay for the electric you use.
You pay for the gas you use.
Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use?

Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Indeed, but careful what you wish for because those kids having paid £9000 a year tuition fees at Uni, then expected to pay through the nose for housing and with little chance of an occupational pension may resent paying for the little old lady's pension, bus pass, TV licence etc when her generation made such a mess of it!
Then again the two adults on benefits could have spawned another four who don't work.Who then have sprogs of their own who drain the system.
Hang on .....isn't that what has been happening?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Indeed, but careful what you wish for because those kids having paid £9000 a year tuition fees at Uni, then expected to pay through the nose for housing and with little chance of an occupational pension may resent paying for the little old lady's pension, bus pass, TV licence etc when her generation made such a mess of it![/p][/quote]Then again the two adults on benefits could have spawned another four who don't work.Who then have sprogs of their own who drain the system. Hang on .....isn't that what has been happening? hubby

9:54pm Wed 14 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

hubby wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car.
You pay for the electric you use.
You pay for the gas you use.
Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use?

Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Indeed, but careful what you wish for because those kids having paid £9000 a year tuition fees at Uni, then expected to pay through the nose for housing and with little chance of an occupational pension may resent paying for the little old lady's pension, bus pass, TV licence etc when her generation made such a mess of it!
Then again the two adults on benefits could have spawned another four who don't work.Who then have sprogs of their own who drain the system.
Hang on .....isn't that what has been happening?
And the sprogs could be the ones wiping your backside when you are even older and decrepit and their taxes paying for your old folks home.

Next.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Indeed, but careful what you wish for because those kids having paid £9000 a year tuition fees at Uni, then expected to pay through the nose for housing and with little chance of an occupational pension may resent paying for the little old lady's pension, bus pass, TV licence etc when her generation made such a mess of it![/p][/quote]Then again the two adults on benefits could have spawned another four who don't work.Who then have sprogs of their own who drain the system. Hang on .....isn't that what has been happening?[/p][/quote]And the sprogs could be the ones wiping your backside when you are even older and decrepit and their taxes paying for your old folks home. Next. HJarrs

10:20pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car.
You pay for the electric you use.
You pay for the gas you use.
Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use?

Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
I can live without petrol.
I can live without electricity
I can live without gas

I can't live without water
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]I can live without petrol. I can live without electricity I can live without gas I can't live without water Fight_Back

10:33pm Wed 14 Nov 12

VanessaW says...

Don't be fooled, if there's one or two of you, you may well benefit but in general households will see their bills soar through the roof! I've been unlucky enough to have lived in 2 houses with already installed water meters. With 3 kids and a husband my bill is near on £900 per annum. It's not easy to regulate water with todays power showers, frequent washing machine use and toilet flushing - basic hygiene necessities. Forget power washing your patio and hosing down the car. Sales of dishwashers and hot tubs will fall, more redundancies - keep being compliant guys, they're fleecing us all the way to the bank!
Don't be fooled, if there's one or two of you, you may well benefit but in general households will see their bills soar through the roof! I've been unlucky enough to have lived in 2 houses with already installed water meters. With 3 kids and a husband my bill is near on £900 per annum. It's not easy to regulate water with todays power showers, frequent washing machine use and toilet flushing - basic hygiene necessities. Forget power washing your patio and hosing down the car. Sales of dishwashers and hot tubs will fall, more redundancies - keep being compliant guys, they're fleecing us all the way to the bank! VanessaW

10:45pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

VanessaW wrote:
Don't be fooled, if there's one or two of you, you may well benefit but in general households will see their bills soar through the roof! I've been unlucky enough to have lived in 2 houses with already installed water meters. With 3 kids and a husband my bill is near on £900 per annum. It's not easy to regulate water with todays power showers, frequent washing machine use and toilet flushing - basic hygiene necessities. Forget power washing your patio and hosing down the car. Sales of dishwashers and hot tubs will fall, more redundancies - keep being compliant guys, they're fleecing us all the way to the bank!
Indeed. It's just to hide the lack of investment from SW in leak repair and new water collection facilities !
[quote][p][bold]VanessaW[/bold] wrote: Don't be fooled, if there's one or two of you, you may well benefit but in general households will see their bills soar through the roof! I've been unlucky enough to have lived in 2 houses with already installed water meters. With 3 kids and a husband my bill is near on £900 per annum. It's not easy to regulate water with todays power showers, frequent washing machine use and toilet flushing - basic hygiene necessities. Forget power washing your patio and hosing down the car. Sales of dishwashers and hot tubs will fall, more redundancies - keep being compliant guys, they're fleecing us all the way to the bank![/p][/quote]Indeed. It's just to hide the lack of investment from SW in leak repair and new water collection facilities ! Fight_Back

10:54pm Wed 14 Nov 12

censored says...

Paying for what you use in water is nonsensical. The water itself is free.

What you're paying for are the fixed costs of treatment and infrastructure, which are basically the same for everyone and certainly not double if you use twice as much.
Paying for what you use in water is nonsensical. The water itself is free. What you're paying for are the fixed costs of treatment and infrastructure, which are basically the same for everyone and certainly not double if you use twice as much. censored

11:12pm Wed 14 Nov 12

VanessaW says...

Indeed and in that case those of us with more in our households are paying for those with less - put that in your pipe!

Water meters are not a good thing. The toilet bowls in our house were stained brown when we moved in, i realise now it was because they were scared to flush them - I call upon Health & Safety to investigate the possible health hazards if meters are to be for all??
Indeed and in that case those of us with more in our households are paying for those with less - put that in your pipe! Water meters are not a good thing. The toilet bowls in our house were stained brown when we moved in, i realise now it was because they were scared to flush them - I call upon Health & Safety to investigate the possible health hazards if meters are to be for all?? VanessaW

11:26pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Man With No Name says...

hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car.
You pay for the electric you use.
You pay for the gas you use.
Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use?

Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse. Man With No Name

8:06am Thu 15 Nov 12

Gary Manilow says...

censored wrote:
Paying for what you use in water is nonsensical. The water itself is free.

What you're paying for are the fixed costs of treatment and infrastructure, which are basically the same for everyone and certainly not double if you use twice as much.
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]censored[/bold] wrote: Paying for what you use in water is nonsensical. The water itself is free. What you're paying for are the fixed costs of treatment and infrastructure, which are basically the same for everyone and certainly not double if you use twice as much.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. Gary Manilow

8:25am Thu 15 Nov 12

Rocco10 says...

Man With No Name wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.
You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.
[quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.[/p][/quote]You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only. Rocco10

8:27am Thu 15 Nov 12

plantwoman says...

sbiscorrupt wrote:
Mr P Brown wrote:
BiggerH wrote:
those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay
Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly
I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...
You don't have to be underhand about it, we check ours every month - every house has their own access to their meter - well they do where I live anyway.
[quote][p][bold]sbiscorrupt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr P Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BiggerH[/bold] wrote: those thinking water meters are a good idea better hope they don't get an undetected leak that they're responsible for. Could run into hundreds of pounds more to pay[/p][/quote]Well yes, that would be true if you don't keep an eye on the meter, but if do you will spot the leak more quickly[/p][/quote]I guess then that you are the idiot constantly prying open the access panel in the street to check whether you have a leak...[/p][/quote]You don't have to be underhand about it, we check ours every month - every house has their own access to their meter - well they do where I live anyway. plantwoman

8:32am Thu 15 Nov 12

brightonian57 says...

Gary Manilow wrote:
censored wrote: Paying for what you use in water is nonsensical. The water itself is free. What you're paying for are the fixed costs of treatment and infrastructure, which are basically the same for everyone and certainly not double if you use twice as much.
Absolutely spot on.
If you were only paying for the water you get, your argument would be right, but as logically the more water you use, the more you have to have treated, and treatment obviously isn’t a fixed cost, it’s wrong. Unless of course you think it costs the same to treat 1 cubic meter of waste, as it costs to treat a thousand cubic meters of waste. Therefore with a meter the more water you use, the more you pay for treatment of waste.
[quote][p][bold]Gary Manilow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]censored[/bold] wrote: Paying for what you use in water is nonsensical. The water itself is free. What you're paying for are the fixed costs of treatment and infrastructure, which are basically the same for everyone and certainly not double if you use twice as much.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]If you were only paying for the water you get, your argument would be right, but as logically the more water you use, the more you have to have treated, and treatment obviously isn’t a fixed cost, it’s wrong. Unless of course you think it costs the same to treat 1 cubic meter of waste, as it costs to treat a thousand cubic meters of waste. Therefore with a meter the more water you use, the more you pay for treatment of waste. brightonian57

9:18am Thu 15 Nov 12

whereisthe...? says...

Its actually illegal to cut off someone's water supply, so they get around it by reducing it to a trickle. The company hates this and has lobbied MP's for years to change this.

This is obviously just an excuse to put more pressure on people and politicians. "Oh but look how much water Mr x used, but didn't yet pay...and we only made £40 million profit last year boo hoo".
Its actually illegal to cut off someone's water supply, so they get around it by reducing it to a trickle. The company hates this and has lobbied MP's for years to change this. This is obviously just an excuse to put more pressure on people and politicians. "Oh but look how much water Mr x used, but didn't yet pay...and we only made £40 million profit last year boo hoo". whereisthe...?

9:19am Thu 15 Nov 12

whereisthe...? says...

Oh, and watch the idiots swallow the rubbish about this being "Green" or "good for the environment."
Oh, and watch the idiots swallow the rubbish about this being "Green" or "good for the environment." whereisthe...?

10:54am Thu 15 Nov 12

Argus says...

HJarrs wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
WMay I remind HJarrs that people of the little old ladies generation did a lot that he is obviously too young to care about, such as fighting the terror and tyranny that threatened this country, may I also remind him of a speech by Margaret Thatcher, as most seem to have forgotten the good she did, but as Mark Anthony said "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones"
Quote "May I point out to him that he would not have been able to enjoy the freedom of speech that he puts to such excellent use, unless people had been prepared to fight for it"
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: WMay I remind HJarrs that people of the little old ladies generation did a lot that he is obviously too young to care about, such as fighting the terror and tyranny that threatened this country, may I also remind him of a speech by Margaret Thatcher, as most seem to have forgotten the good she did, but as Mark Anthony said "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones" Quote "May I point out to him that he would not have been able to enjoy the freedom of speech that he puts to such excellent use, unless people had been prepared to fight for it" Argus

11:25am Thu 15 Nov 12

Cash Bull says...

Southern Water, One of the TOP 5 Polluters in the UK...Who lose more than the contents of Bewl Water through leaks EVERY DAY!... What a monopoly
Southern Water, One of the TOP 5 Polluters in the UK...Who lose more than the contents of Bewl Water through leaks EVERY DAY!... What a monopoly Cash Bull

12:23pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Man With No Name says...

Rocco10 wrote:
Man With No Name wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.
You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.
I wasn't talking about just their water, I meant the entire service they provide.
[quote][p][bold]Rocco10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.[/p][/quote]You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.[/p][/quote]I wasn't talking about just their water, I meant the entire service they provide. Man With No Name

1:11pm Thu 15 Nov 12

brightonian57 says...

Man With No Name wrote:
Rocco10 wrote:
Man With No Name wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.
You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.
I wasn't talking about just their water, I meant the entire service they provide.
So you would be prepared to foot the bill if you got a virus, that caused you to need a heart transplant, when you have opted out of the NHS? No I thought not
[quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocco10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.[/p][/quote]You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.[/p][/quote]I wasn't talking about just their water, I meant the entire service they provide.[/p][/quote]So you would be prepared to foot the bill if you got a virus, that caused you to need a heart transplant, when you have opted out of the NHS? No I thought not brightonian57

1:26pm Thu 15 Nov 12

kerryfee says...

Sorry but the headline is wrong not all properties will have water metres, I live in a listed building and southern water have been round and say it is not possible to fit a metre. I wouldn't mind, I have no garden to water and no where near to park my car to wash it.
Sorry but the headline is wrong not all properties will have water metres, I live in a listed building and southern water have been round and say it is not possible to fit a metre. I wouldn't mind, I have no garden to water and no where near to park my car to wash it. kerryfee

3:05pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Man With No Name says...

brightonian57 wrote:
Man With No Name wrote:
Rocco10 wrote:
Man With No Name wrote:
hubby wrote:
mimseycal wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.
You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?
Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.
You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.
I wasn't talking about just their water, I meant the entire service they provide.
So you would be prepared to foot the bill if you got a virus, that caused you to need a heart transplant, when you have opted out of the NHS? No I thought not
I didn't say I would opt out of the NHS?
[quote][p][bold]brightonian57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocco10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Well, this was inevitable from the moment they privatised the water companies. I'll keep resisting till the end but I still accept that it is inevitable.[/p][/quote]You pay for the petrol you use in your car. You pay for the electric you use. You pay for the gas you use. Why shouldn't you pay for the water you use? Why should an elderly lady living on her own pay the same as a family with two adults and four kids?[/p][/quote]Why not extend this logic - I dont have kids, why should I pay for schools. I haven't been to the doctors, why should I contribute towards the NHS. I am not on benefits of any kind, why should my tax go towards benefits etc etc etc... in fact you could perhaps say that often those that contribute the least get the most back (a lot of the biggest households don't have anyone working in them) Council Tax?.. Hmmm, it doesn't seem you always pay for what you use, its often the complete reverse.[/p][/quote]You don't pay for schools, they've always been metered, as any other commercial premises or large buildings are. The meters being rolled out are residential only.[/p][/quote]I wasn't talking about just their water, I meant the entire service they provide.[/p][/quote]So you would be prepared to foot the bill if you got a virus, that caused you to need a heart transplant, when you have opted out of the NHS? No I thought not[/p][/quote]I didn't say I would opt out of the NHS? Man With No Name

7:18pm Thu 15 Nov 12

BenUk says...

just an excuse to charge more money in the long run, right now there making your water bills cheapier ( i know i got one installed ) but they only sucking you in so get meny people as possible then start wacking up the price and coming up with some excuse why.
all people care about is money, everything going up in price apart from our wages there just going down.
just an excuse to charge more money in the long run, right now there making your water bills cheapier ( i know i got one installed ) but they only sucking you in so get meny people as possible then start wacking up the price and coming up with some excuse why. all people care about is money, everything going up in price apart from our wages there just going down. BenUk

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