Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner election results

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  • Conservative candidate Katy Bourne wins the Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner election.
  • Turnout 15.82% across Sussex.
  • Spoilt papers were 3.06% of the vote.

5:29pm

Katy Bourne thanks voters at the count in Brighton

4:33pm

The Argus: Katy Bourne

Conservative candidate Katy Bourne wins the Sussex Police Commissioner election with 81,284, votes.

Turnout was 15.82%

Spoilt papers 3.06% of the vote.

Mrs Bourne is 47 and lives in Ansty, near Haywards Heath with he husband Kevin and two grown-up sons William and Myles.

She was educated at Roedean and Aberystwyth University. She decribes herself as a serial business builder.

She has represented Cuckfield on Mid Sussex District Council since 2011. She served on her parish's local police panel during her time as a parish councillor for Ansty and Stapleforth.

Her website is www.katybourne.com.

4:31pm

Second round results from Arun District

Katy Bourne (C) – 1,976
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,077

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 79,462
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 55,729

4:29pm

Second round results from Horsham

Katy Bourne (C) – 1,471
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,145

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 77,486

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 54,652

 

4:27pm

Second round results in from Worthing

Katy Bourne (C) – 1,225
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 917

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 76,015
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 53, 507

4:24pm

Second round results in for Rother

Katy Bourne (C) – 1,398 (total 4,864 votes)
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 752

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) –74,790

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 52,590

4:23pm

Second round results in for Lewes

Katy  Bourne (C) – 1,429
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,172

Running Total

Katy Bourne (C) – 73,361
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 51,778

4:11pm

Second round results in from Adur

Katy Bourne (C) – 766
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 578 (total 1,842 votes)

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 71,932
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 50,606

4:09pm

Second round results from Mid Sussex

Katy Bourne (C) – 1,925
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,235

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 71,166
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 50,028

4:07pm

Second round results in from Hastings

Katy Bourne (C) – 747
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 720

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 69,241
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 48,793

4:06pm

Second round results in from Eastbourne

Katy Bourne (C) – 1,471
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,145

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 68,494
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 48,073

4:00pm

Second round results in from Brighton and Hove:

Katy Bourne (C) – 2,202
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 3,408

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 67,023
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 46,928

3:52pm

Second round results in from Chichester

Katy Bourne (C) –  1, 761
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 854

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) –  64,821
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 43,520

3:45pm

Second round results in Crawley

Katy Bourne (C) – 756

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 612

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 63,060
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 42,666

3:36pm

Independent candidate Ian Chisnall thanks the electorate.

He said: "I'm feeling a mixture of things.

"I'm really excited at how many people chose to vote for me and the fact people were prepared to take a risk on someone independent."

3:31pm

Second round results in from Wealden District:

Katy Bourne (C) – 2,669

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,289

Running total

Katy Bourne (C) – 62,304

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 42,054

3:29pm

Ben Parsons has reaction from the final two candidates.

Katy Bourne said: "I'm obviously very pleased to be through to the next round and I'm waiting to see what happens."

Godfrey Daniel said: "There is nothing we can do bow to change the result. I hope people have seen sense and given me their second preference."

Mr Daniel believes the Labour support is a signpost for the next General Election.

He added: "We were the third party at the last General Election.

"On the first preferences, we are clearly not a third party.

"Brighton, Crawley and Hastings, all the places we hope to win back, have all gone to Labour.

"That has got to augur well."

3:16pm

Hearing reports Godfrey Daniel has taken the second preference votes in Crawley. Awaiting confirmation.

2:18pm

At this second preference count stage it is not necessary for either candidate to achieve 50% of the vote, just an overall majority.

2:10pm

According to Ben Parsons, spoiled ballots include illustrations and insults written across ballots in Brighton.

A Tumblr featuring people's photographs of spoilt ballots from across Britain is proving popular online.

2:04pm

The second preference votes for the elminated candidates now count towards the final result.

Candidate standings after the first vote

Katy Bourne, Conservative –  31%

Godfrey Daniel, Labour – 22%

Ian Chisnall, Independent  – 21%

Tony Armstrong, UKIP – 15%

David Rogers, Liberal Democrat – 11%

2:01pm

Spoilt ballot breakdown for Sussex.

Rejected for want of official mark – 4

More than one candidate given as first preference –  1,798

Mark or writing leading to identification of voter  – 82

Unmarked first preference – 1,590

Void for uncertainty about first preference – 2,508.

Total 5,982

That works out as 3.06% of the vote.

1:58pm

Conservative candidate Katy Bourne and Labour candidate Godfrey Daniel go through to the second round of voting.

1:58pm

What do all the results mean?

'"We need Carol Vorderman," says Independent candidate Ian Chisnall.

1:54pm

Wealden District results:

Katy Bourne (C) – 7,266 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 4,217 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 3,631 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,563 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 2,344 votes

1:53pm

No second candidate in Sussex has reached 50% of the vote so second preference counting is underway.

1:50pm

Worthing Borough results:

Katy Bourne (C) – 3,207 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 2,492 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,901 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,729 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,306 votes

1:49pm

Mid Sussex District result:

Katy Bourne (C) – 6,653 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) - 3,711 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,271 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,251 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,956 votes

1:47pm

Hastings Borough results:

Godfrey Daniel (L) –4,690
Katy Bourne (C) – 1,882
Ian Chisnall (Ind) –1,571
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,337
David Rogers (LD) – 677

1:45pm

Adur District result:

Katy Bourne (C) –1,853 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 1,459 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) –  1,399 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,264 votes
David Rogers (LD) 567 votes

1:43pm

Crawley had 202 spoilt ballots.

That works out as 1.8%.

1:39pm

Eastbourne had 287 spoilt ballots.

That's 2% of the vote.

1:37pm

Horsham District had 500 spoilt ballots.

That counts as 3% of the vote.

1:35pm

A total of 1,277 spoilt ballots in Brighton and Hove.

This works out at 4% of the vote.

1:32pm

Brighton and Hove City Council result:

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 11,082
Katy Bourn (C) – 7,146
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 6,467
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) –  2,925.
David Rogers (LD) – 2,615

 

1:30pm

Brighton spoilt ballots said to exceed 1,200, out of a 31510 turnout. 3.8%

The candidates are being told the provisional Brighton and Hove result. A microphone appeal was made for any Liberal Democrats to take part - their candidate David Rogers does not appear to be here.

1:28pm

Katy Bourne embraces a supporter, obviously pleased by Eastbourne result.

UKIP did well – beating the Lib Dems even though the town has a Lib Dem MP.

1:28pm

Ben Parsons reports Labour's Godfrey Daniel shouts "yes'"as he wins Crawley first count.
 

1:01pm

Horsham District results:

Katy Bourne (C)  – 6,324 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind)  – 3,556 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,618 votes
David Rogers  (LD) – 2,154 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,073 votes
 

12:59pm

Eastbourne Borough results:


Katy Bourne  (C) – 4,000 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 2,163 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,096 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 2,089 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 1,955 votes
 

12:57pm

Crawley Borough result:

Godfrey Daniel (L) – 4,180 votes
Katy Bourne (C) – 3,641 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 1,156 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,361 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 542 votes

12:48pm

Conservative candidate Katy Bourne is ahead after four districts declare their first preference votes.

Independent candidate Ian Chisnall is second.

The winning candidate requires 50% of the vote, so we won't know the result until the second preferences are counted.

12:46pm

Ben Parsons spoke with Labour candidate Godfrey Daniel who is pleased to match the Lib Dems in Lewes but is disappointed to be third to Ian Chisnall.

He said: "It doesn't surprise me, given the publicity given to Independents.

"It is a bit of a protest vote."

12:44pm

Arun has 502 spoilt ballots.

That works out as 3% of the vote.

12:41pm

Results in for Arun District:

Katy Bourne (C) – 5,358 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 3,688 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) 3,536 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,355 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,390 votes

12:38pm

There were 357 spoilt ballots in Rother.

That works out at 3% of the vote.

12:37pm

Lewes had 399 spoilt ballots.

That works out at 3% of the total turnout.

 

12:33pm

Results in from Rother

Katy Bourne (C) – 3,466 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) – 2,574 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) – 2,343 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 2,003 votes
David Rogers (LD) – 1,070 votes

12:31pm

Results in from Lewes District

Katy Bourne (C) – 3,263 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind)– 2,592 votes
David Rogers(LD) – 2,471 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) –2,446 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) – 1,933 votes



 

12:28pm

Ben Parsons reports lots of spoiled ballots in Brighton apparently. One read: "No Green Party? I want Ben Duncan."

 

 

12:21pm

That result means 564 spoilt ballots in Chichester District.

That works out as 4% of the total vote.

 

12:16pm

First preference vote results are in from Chichester District:

Katy Bourne (C) 39% – 5,576 votes
Ian Chisnall (Ind) 23% – 3,284 votes
Tony Armstrong (UKIP) 16% – 2,336 votes
Godfrey Daniel (L) 13% – 1,814 votes
David Rogers (LD) 10% – 1,398 votes

12:08pm

The Argus: Counting votes at The Corn Exchange

Busy counting

11:56am

Ben Parsons has spoken with Simon Kirby, MP for Brighton Kemptown at the count who said: "It's a starting point.

"If 200,000 people voted, that's 200,000 more than were involved before."

11:37am

Ben Parsons has spoken to UKIP candidate, retired police officer Tony Armstrong, who said: "It is abysmal.

"You have to ask yourselves why.

"The election is in November, we have had no free mailshots.

"The area covers 16 Parliamentary constituencies. We have had no help at all to get the message out."

11:36am

11:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says

DC78 wrote:
fascinator wrote:
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.
Apologies, misunderstood. Spoilt papers are included in turnout numbers.

If spoilt papers number more than 'valid' papers, the spoilt papers are examined for reasons and are taken into account.

All spoilt papers are examined at every election. Returning officers gather the candidates around so they can confirm if they think a spoil is a vote. They also have the messages read out to them.

11:29am

11:24am Fri 16 Nov 12

fascinator says

I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout

They are counted in turnout and then removed as the first preference votes are counted for each candidate.

We will know the spoil figure once the first preference count is complete.

11:27am

Worthing and West Sussex county councillor Bob Smytherman reports independent candidate is Ian Chisnall is doing well in Worthing and Adur.

11:23am

Speaking to Ben Parsons about turnout, Conservative candidate Katy Bourne said: 'It is what was expected, really.

"The result from Wiltshire set a tone."

She said the new voting system made predictions impossible, adding: 'Who knows? We won't know until the last vote is counted.

"I've never taken this for granted."

Wiltshire returned its new Police Commissioner with a 16% turnout with 3% spoilt ballots.

11:18am

Fewer people voted in Sussex than are registered to vote in Brighton and Hove.

11:13am

Here is the full breakdown of each area.

Adur District – Adur 6,747 from 48,517 – 13.91%

Arun District – 16,829 from 113,392 – 14.84%

Brighton and Hove  – 31,510 from 209,007 – 15.08%

Chichester District – 14,972 from 92,241 – 16.23%

Crawley Borough- 11,082 from 78,657 – 14.09%

Eastbourne District – 12,590 from 73,725 – 17.08%

Hastings Borough – 10,401 from 64,335 – 16.17%

Horsham District – 17,225 from 102,061 – 16.88%

Lewes District – 13,164 from 75,372 – 17.47%

Mid Sussex District  – 17,325 from 104,369 – 16.6%

Rother District– 11,813 from 72,313 – 16.34%

Wealden District – 20,609 from 118,610 – 17.38%

Worthing Borough– 10,952 from 81,567 – 13.43%

Sussex 195,218 = 15.82%

11:09am

First stage count to start in Brighton and elsewhere.

Total turnout in Sussex 195,218 = 15.82%.

Fewer than one in six have voted.

11:08am

And the last two areas:

Wealden District – 20,609 from 118,610 – 17.38%

Brighton and Hove  – 31,510 from 209,007 – 15.08% turnout. .

11:07am

More turnout results now.

Eastbourne District – 12,590 from 73,725 – 17.08%
Mid Sussex District  – 17,325 from 104,369 – 16.6%


Mid Sussex District  is Conservative candidates Katy Bourne's home district.

11:04am

The Argus: Big screen at Corn Exchange for PCC count

Candidates and their supporters are gathering at The Corn Exchange in Brighton, where all the results from across the county are displayed on a big screen.

The result will be announced in Brighton.

10:58am

Reports from Norfolk, one polling station had a single voter who spoilt their ballot.

10:52am

10:49am

Still waiting for turnout figures from:

Brighton and Hove City
Eastbourne Borough
Mid Sussex District
Wealden District

10:48am

More voting figures for Sussex districts and boroughs.

Hastings Borough – 10,401 from 64,335 – 16.17%
Horsham District – 17,225 from 102,061 – 16.88%
Lewes – 13,164 from 75,372 – 17.47%
Rother – 11,813 from 72,313 – 16.34%
Worthing – 10,952 from 81,567 – 13.43%

10:45am

Actual voting figures coming in now.

Adur District – Adur 6,747 from 48,517 – 13.91%
Arun District – 16,829 from 113,392 – 14.84%
Chichester District – 14,972 from 92,241 – 16.23%
Crawley Borough- 11,082 from 78,657 – 14.09%

10:41am

Horsham District turnout of 16.88%

10:40am

Arun District turnout of 14.8%

10:40am

Hastings Borough turnout  16.17%

10:39am

Another strong turnout from Conservative Chichester District  16.23%

10:38am

10:36am Fri 16 Nov 12

peebee9 says

Having a PCC is just the Governments way of 'passing-the-buck' on crime. At present, if the crime figures are bad, the Government gets the blame. With the 'elected' PCC they will be responsible.

10:38am

10:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

Romany65 says

I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?

10:38am

Highest turnout in Sussex so far in Liberal Democrat heartland Lewes District at 17.47%

10:32am

10:28am Fri 16 Nov 12

mimseycal says

Shambles ... utter shambles. If anyone does get the post, how on earth can they ever claim to have the confidence of the community?

10:29am

10:25am Fri 16 Nov 12

Shinypurpleshadow says

I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex.

Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections.

Please report these figures if you can!

We will be reporting those figures as soon as they're available.

10:26am

Biggest turnouts in Conservative strongholds - more than 16% in Chichester, Horsham and Rother.

10:14am

10:11am Fri 16 Nov 12

Saltdean Resident says

What a complete waist of time and money, i'm sure if they had an option on the voting card to keep the status quo then that would have won hands down. Now we have politicians in charge of the police, great!

10:11am

It will be interesting to see what percentage of the ballots are spoiled.

Wiltshire returned its new Police Commissioner with a 16% turnout with 3% spoilt ballots.

10:08am

Turnout in Crawley Borough 14%.

10:08am

Reports from South Wales say no voters turned up to one polling station. Ballot box returned empty.

10:07am

10:01am Fri 16 Nov 12

gaz scott says

Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".

10:06am

Looking at reports from around the country, the average turnout seems to be approximately 13%.

 

9:53am

First reports of turnout from Worthing and Adur.

Adur District: 13.9%

Worthing Borough: 13.4%

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10:01am Fri 16 Nov 12

gaz scott says...

Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".
Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC". gaz scott

10:11am Fri 16 Nov 12

Saltdean Resident says...

What a complete waist of time and money, i'm sure if they had an option on the voting card to keep the status quo then that would have won hands down. Now we have politicians in charge of the police, great!
What a complete waist of time and money, i'm sure if they had an option on the voting card to keep the status quo then that would have won hands down. Now we have politicians in charge of the police, great! Saltdean Resident

10:25am Fri 16 Nov 12

Shinypurpleshadow says...

I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex.

Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections.

Please report these figures if you can!
I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex. Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections. Please report these figures if you can! Shinypurpleshadow

10:28am Fri 16 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

Shambles ... utter shambles. If anyone does get the post, how on earth can they ever claim to have the confidence of the community?
Shambles ... utter shambles. If anyone does get the post, how on earth can they ever claim to have the confidence of the community? mimseycal

10:31am Fri 16 Nov 12

Indigatio says...

Shinypurpleshadow wrote:
I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex.

Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections.

Please report these figures if you can!
I hope they do too. I spoilt my ballot paper as a protest.

With such a low turnout whoever is elcted cannot claim to have a mandate to serve.

Complete waste of time and money
[quote][p][bold]Shinypurpleshadow[/bold] wrote: I'd love to know how many spoiled ballots there are from each area in Sussex. Most people I know who took the time to go to the polls spoiled their papers in protest at the illegitimacy of the elections. Please report these figures if you can![/p][/quote]I hope they do too. I spoilt my ballot paper as a protest. With such a low turnout whoever is elcted cannot claim to have a mandate to serve. Complete waste of time and money Indigatio

10:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

Romany65 says...

I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted? Romany65

10:36am Fri 16 Nov 12

peebee9 says...

Having a PCC is just the Governments way of 'passing-the-buck' on crime. At present, if the crime figures are bad, the Government gets the blame. With the 'elected' PCC they will be responsible.
Having a PCC is just the Governments way of 'passing-the-buck' on crime. At present, if the crime figures are bad, the Government gets the blame. With the 'elected' PCC they will be responsible. peebee9

10:49am Fri 16 Nov 12

Saltdean Resident says...

Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
[quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not. Saltdean Resident

10:59am Fri 16 Nov 12

Chieftain11 says...

Yet again, common sense has prevailed among ordinary people. It looks to me like it's only members of political parties who have voted correctly. In other words, policing is to be led by little more than political wonk brains. It would be nice if a few Chief Constables around Britain told these clowns where to go.
Yet again, common sense has prevailed among ordinary people. It looks to me like it's only members of political parties who have voted correctly. In other words, policing is to be led by little more than political wonk brains. It would be nice if a few Chief Constables around Britain told these clowns where to go. Chieftain11

11:00am Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it. DC78

11:10am Fri 16 Nov 12

Romany65 says...

Whether or not we agree this election, it is happening. So the best we can do is vote for the best canditate from those we are presented with.and that is what I did
Whether or not we agree this election, it is happening. So the best we can do is vote for the best canditate from those we are presented with.and that is what I did Romany65

11:11am Fri 16 Nov 12

Chieftain11 says...

I did not vote for several reasons. The main one being, who is going to be the Deputy Commissioner and how is that person going to be appointed ? ?. It looks to me like the political parties will decide as they paid the £5,000 deposits for their candidates. ! I refuse to aid and abet such devious shenanigans by voting. As has been said before, the circus is being run from the monkey house.
I did not vote for several reasons. The main one being, who is going to be the Deputy Commissioner and how is that person going to be appointed ? ?. It looks to me like the political parties will decide as they paid the £5,000 deposits for their candidates. ! I refuse to aid and abet such devious shenanigans by voting. As has been said before, the circus is being run from the monkey house. Chieftain11

11:17am Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

Chieftain11 wrote:
I did not vote for several reasons. The main one being, who is going to be the Deputy Commissioner and how is that person going to be appointed ? ?. It looks to me like the political parties will decide as they paid the £5,000 deposits for their candidates. ! I refuse to aid and abet such devious shenanigans by voting. As has been said before, the circus is being run from the monkey house.
I hope although you didn't vote, you did attend to spoil your paper by writing down your grievances. A high number of spoilt votes can question the validity of the election. If you didn't either vote or spoil your vote in protest, you have no right to complain.
[quote][p][bold]Chieftain11[/bold] wrote: I did not vote for several reasons. The main one being, who is going to be the Deputy Commissioner and how is that person going to be appointed ? ?. It looks to me like the political parties will decide as they paid the £5,000 deposits for their candidates. ! I refuse to aid and abet such devious shenanigans by voting. As has been said before, the circus is being run from the monkey house.[/p][/quote]I hope although you didn't vote, you did attend to spoil your paper by writing down your grievances. A high number of spoilt votes can question the validity of the election. If you didn't either vote or spoil your vote in protest, you have no right to complain. DC78

11:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

Saltdean Resident says...

DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did. And if people did not of course they have a right to complain as this was not a vote on the change but a vote on who controls that change. The two must be separated, this is not the same as not turning out for a general election then complaining about who won. As has already been stated the common sense of the people has been shown by ignoring the vote completely.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did. And if people did not of course they have a right to complain as this was not a vote on the change but a vote on who controls that change. The two must be separated, this is not the same as not turning out for a general election then complaining about who won. As has already been stated the common sense of the people has been shown by ignoring the vote completely. Saltdean Resident

11:22am Fri 16 Nov 12

Poccypoc says...

I voted.
I voted. Poccypoc

11:23am Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did. And if people did not of course they have a right to complain as this was not a vote on the change but a vote on who controls that change. The two must be separated, this is not the same as not turning out for a general election then complaining about who won. As has already been stated the common sense of the people has been shown by ignoring the vote completely.
A high number of spoilt votes can bring the election into question. Spoilt papers can influence 'if' rather than 'who'
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did. And if people did not of course they have a right to complain as this was not a vote on the change but a vote on who controls that change. The two must be separated, this is not the same as not turning out for a general election then complaining about who won. As has already been stated the common sense of the people has been shown by ignoring the vote completely.[/p][/quote]A high number of spoilt votes can bring the election into question. Spoilt papers can influence 'if' rather than 'who' DC78

11:24am Fri 16 Nov 12

fascinator says...

I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout fascinator

11:27am Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

fascinator wrote:
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.
[quote][p][bold]fascinator[/bold] wrote: I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout[/p][/quote]They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers. DC78

11:33am Fri 16 Nov 12

heartthrob says...

A 15 % turnout
Id like to be a fly on the wall when the newbie starts and says I am your new leader and 10% of the community support me being here...
A 15 % turnout Id like to be a fly on the wall when the newbie starts and says I am your new leader and 10% of the community support me being here... heartthrob

11:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

DC78 wrote:
fascinator wrote:
I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout
They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.
Apologies, misunderstood. Spoilt papers are included in turnout numbers.

If spoilt papers number more than 'valid' papers, the spoilt papers are examined for reasons and are taken into account.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascinator[/bold] wrote: I think that spoiled ballot papers get counted in the turnout[/p][/quote]They don't. The number of papers in total are counted, then are separated by candidate and spoilt papers.[/p][/quote]Apologies, misunderstood. Spoilt papers are included in turnout numbers. If spoilt papers number more than 'valid' papers, the spoilt papers are examined for reasons and are taken into account. DC78

11:37am Fri 16 Nov 12

Saltdean Resident says...

DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it. Saltdean Resident

12:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.[/p][/quote]Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper. DC78

12:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

fascinator says...

10:39am

Another strong turnout from Conservative Chichester District 16.23%


16.23% is not a strong turnout
10:39am Another strong turnout from Conservative Chichester District 16.23% 16.23% is not a strong turnout fascinator

12:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sbiscorrupt says...

People are finally getting the idea...

It doesn't matter what the election is, since the majority of politicians are as bad as each other, and in it for themselves!

And they are failing us by not properly tackling any significant issues...

(I wonder how long it will be before we hear of the first PCC expenses scandal?)
People are finally getting the idea... It doesn't matter what the election is, since the majority of politicians are as bad as each other, and in it for themselves! And they are failing us by not properly tackling any significant issues... (I wonder how long it will be before we hear of the first PCC expenses scandal?) sbiscorrupt

12:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Andy R says...

DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.
I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes.

Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.[/p][/quote]Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.[/p][/quote]I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes. Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up. Andy R

12:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

Andy R wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.
I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes.

Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.
Wrong. If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid.

I did not say that everyone has a duty to vote, but that those that had a strong conviction of opposition to the election had a duty to spoil their papers giving their reason.

Not turning up is a vote of apathy and is very different to the point made by vote spoiling.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.[/p][/quote]Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.[/p][/quote]I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes. Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.[/p][/quote]Wrong. If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid. I did not say that everyone has a duty to vote, but that those that had a strong conviction of opposition to the election had a duty to spoil their papers giving their reason. Not turning up is a vote of apathy and is very different to the point made by vote spoiling. DC78

12:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

rubberflipper says...

Britain doesn't need any more pen-pushing civil servants and/or Common Purpose androids.

These elections should be for Chief Constables of every county.
Britain doesn't need any more pen-pushing civil servants and/or Common Purpose androids. These elections should be for Chief Constables of every county. rubberflipper

12:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12

getThisCoalitionOut says...

To all those who didn't vote or spoilt ballot papers - well done you've let the conservatives win again - **** - they are exactly who you want to keep out of everything, they're ruining this country and your apathy helps yet again. No wonder this country is in the state it's in with so many ignorant **** in it.
To all those who didn't vote or spoilt ballot papers - well done you've let the conservatives win again - **** - they are exactly who you want to keep out of everything, they're ruining this country and your apathy helps yet again. No wonder this country is in the state it's in with so many ignorant **** in it. getThisCoalitionOut

12:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

pjwilk says...

Those who won (not really),it will probobly be the last we ever hear from them.Why anyone voted for a C or a L or a LD is a mystery they deserve all they get.This country needs a real change we need a breath of fresh air who will get us out of the EU and dismantle the BBC.UKIP.
Those who won (not really),it will probobly be the last we ever hear from them.Why anyone voted for a C or a L or a LD is a mystery they deserve all they get.This country needs a real change we need a breath of fresh air who will get us out of the EU and dismantle the BBC.UKIP. pjwilk

12:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Charismatic Andrew says...

"Ben Parsons reports lots of spoiled ballots in Brighton apparently. One read: 'No Green Party? I want Ben Duncan.'"

....... it's a shame Ben Duncan decided to spoil his ballot paper like that....
"Ben Parsons reports lots of spoiled ballots in Brighton apparently. One read: 'No Green Party? I want Ben Duncan.'" ....... it's a shame Ben Duncan decided to spoil his ballot paper like that.... Charismatic Andrew

12:55pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Charismatic Andrew says...

"Ben Parsons reports lots of spoiled ballots in Brighton apparently. One read: 'No Green Party? I want Ben Duncan.'"

....... it's a shame Ben Duncan decided to spoil his ballot paper like that....
"Ben Parsons reports lots of spoiled ballots in Brighton apparently. One read: 'No Green Party? I want Ben Duncan.'" ....... it's a shame Ben Duncan decided to spoil his ballot paper like that.... Charismatic Andrew

12:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Hove Actually says...

DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote:
I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
WRONG if people decide not to vote that is a failing of Government in not connecting with the people.

Give us a vote on the EU and see how many turn out
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]WRONG if people decide not to vote that is a failing of Government in not connecting with the people. Give us a vote on the EU and see how many turn out Hove Actually

1:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

pjwilk wrote:
Those who won (not really),it will probobly be the last we ever hear from them.Why anyone voted for a C or a L or a LD is a mystery they deserve all they get.This country needs a real change we need a breath of fresh air who will get us out of the EU and dismantle the BBC.UKIP.
As UKIP support the nut-job belief of homoeopathy, I hope they only got 1 vote and that was diluted by all the other votes and the more their vote was diluted the stronger their vote got.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Those who won (not really),it will probobly be the last we ever hear from them.Why anyone voted for a C or a L or a LD is a mystery they deserve all they get.This country needs a real change we need a breath of fresh air who will get us out of the EU and dismantle the BBC.UKIP.[/p][/quote]As UKIP support the nut-job belief of homoeopathy, I hope they only got 1 vote and that was diluted by all the other votes and the more their vote was diluted the stronger their vote got. DC78

1:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Looking at the results coming in by area it's clear people are just voting for party labels. That could explain why none of the candidates said anything other than anodyne statements such as "I want to cut crime" and why they didn't bother campaigning - they knew it would be a waste of time.
Looking at the results coming in by area it's clear people are just voting for party labels. That could explain why none of the candidates said anything other than anodyne statements such as "I want to cut crime" and why they didn't bother campaigning - they knew it would be a waste of time. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

1:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

"If 200,000 people voted, that's 200,000 more than were involved before."

Did Simon Kirby indeed make this banal statement? Not that it would surprise me mind you. Simon, my dear old chap, considering these are the very first elections ever, you have nothing to compare it with but even the abysmal voting records of this country generally hit at least 30% ... Talk about disengagement and apathy!

If only 15.8% turned out that is not something to crow about. The highest turn out is somewhere at 17% ... Despicable!!!
"If 200,000 people voted, that's 200,000 more than were involved before." Did Simon Kirby indeed make this banal statement? Not that it would surprise me mind you. Simon, my dear old chap, considering these are the very first elections ever, you have nothing to compare it with but even the abysmal voting records of this country generally hit at least 30% ... Talk about disengagement and apathy! If only 15.8% turned out that is not something to crow about. The highest turn out is somewhere at 17% ... Despicable!!! mimseycal

1:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Andy R says...

DC78 wrote:
Andy R wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
DC78 wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Romany65 wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?
You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.
If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.
I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.
Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.
I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes. Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.
Wrong. If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid. I did not say that everyone has a duty to vote, but that those that had a strong conviction of opposition to the election had a duty to spoil their papers giving their reason. Not turning up is a vote of apathy and is very different to the point made by vote spoiling.
"If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid."

Complete rubbish! Where are you getting that idea from??
[quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: I voted ..Really cannot see how anyone can make any valid comments unless they voted?[/p][/quote]You miss the point, i would agree with you if people were complaining about the winning candidate, we are not.[/p][/quote]If you did not turn up to either cast a vote or spoil the paper, you have no right to complain. If you want status quo, you turn up and spoil your paper by writing that on it.[/p][/quote]I did, and if people didn't vote at all of course they have the right to complain. They are not complaining about who won as in a general election but about the whole idea. If it aint broke dont fix it.[/p][/quote]Let's get real, the reason for poor turnout was because people just could not be bothered. If they seriously believe 'it's not broke, don't fix it', they have the moral obligation to attend and write that on their paper.[/p][/quote]I voted, but I still think people who didn't are perfectly entitled to complain. No-one was under any obligation to attend and write "something" on the ballot paper just because you've decided they had some "duty" to do so. A spoiled ballot paper is no different legally to not voting - no-one's sitting there carefully noting what everyone's written and making a mental note to act on it. They just go into a pile, and the returning officer will quickly show them to the candidates at the end just so they know that none of them ought to have been counted as votes. Spoiling ballot papers as a "tactic" is overrated. Admittedly a large number of them make a point, but no different to the point made by not turning up.[/p][/quote]Wrong. If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid. I did not say that everyone has a duty to vote, but that those that had a strong conviction of opposition to the election had a duty to spoil their papers giving their reason. Not turning up is a vote of apathy and is very different to the point made by vote spoiling.[/p][/quote]"If there are more spoilt papers than unspoilt papers, then the entire election can be declared as invalid." Complete rubbish! Where are you getting that idea from?? Andy R

1:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

I hope no Brighton and Hove Albion fans voted for David Rogers (the Lib Dem) as he was firmly opposed to the stadium. (If other people can carry political grudges into what SHOULD be a non-political role then I will too!)
I hope no Brighton and Hove Albion fans voted for David Rogers (the Lib Dem) as he was firmly opposed to the stadium. (If other people can carry political grudges into what SHOULD be a non-political role then I will too!) Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

1:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12

doralora says...

It seems to me that most people voted according to their political persuasion as the areas voting have roughly the same political veiws. Its my opinion that having a party political election for a role which most would agree should be apolitical is just wrong. I also note that the probable winner here also has the least experience with the police which is also pretty depressing.
It seems to me that most people voted according to their political persuasion as the areas voting have roughly the same political veiws. Its my opinion that having a party political election for a role which most would agree should be apolitical is just wrong. I also note that the probable winner here also has the least experience with the police which is also pretty depressing. doralora

1:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Real Phil says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
To all those who didn't vote or spoilt ballot papers - well done you've let the conservatives win again - **** - they are exactly who you want to keep out of everything, they're ruining this country and your apathy helps yet again. No wonder this country is in the state it's in with so many ignorant **** in it.
Have the CONservatives actually won? I couldn't find anything in the story other than lists of figures and percentages.
The bit that put me right off the tory candidate in my area was the quote along the lines of " I love making money, and I am married to a banker who also loves money". Just makes one a little nervous.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: To all those who didn't vote or spoilt ballot papers - well done you've let the conservatives win again - **** - they are exactly who you want to keep out of everything, they're ruining this country and your apathy helps yet again. No wonder this country is in the state it's in with so many ignorant **** in it.[/p][/quote]Have the CONservatives actually won? I couldn't find anything in the story other than lists of figures and percentages. The bit that put me right off the tory candidate in my area was the quote along the lines of " I love making money, and I am married to a banker who also loves money". Just makes one a little nervous. The Real Phil

2:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

argunaut says...

Under Brighton and Hove (1:32pm), why is LD listed above UKIP despite winning fewer votes?
Under Brighton and Hove (1:32pm), why is LD listed above UKIP despite winning fewer votes? argunaut

2:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

DC78 says...

Spoilt or spoiled?

Argus has used 5 "spoiled" and 14 "spoilt" in this article. (I exclude comments)

Argus, "spoilt" is the generally accepted spelling in the UK, however it is considered good journalism when you commit to a perhaps disputed spelling of a word, to stick with it, particularly within the same article.
Spoilt or spoiled? Argus has used 5 "spoiled" and 14 "spoilt" in this article. (I exclude comments) Argus, "spoilt" is the generally accepted spelling in the UK, however it is considered good journalism when you commit to a perhaps disputed spelling of a word, to stick with it, particularly within the same article. DC78

2:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Gael Bage says...

If everyone who did not vote actually went in and spoiled their vote to explain why - most feel te whole system lets the ordinary voter down so why bother ? Please bother next time, because many failed to protest we now have the main two parties fighting it out for control of police - wake up party politics will decide now they will be expected to follow party line as always - and that gets decided in the city and by those who buy party votes - the common voter has no way to compete with that - unless enough of us spoil our voting paper to show what a mockery the whole system is.
If everyone who did not vote actually went in and spoiled their vote to explain why - most feel te whole system lets the ordinary voter down so why bother ? Please bother next time, because many failed to protest we now have the main two parties fighting it out for control of police - wake up party politics will decide now they will be expected to follow party line as always - and that gets decided in the city and by those who buy party votes - the common voter has no way to compete with that - unless enough of us spoil our voting paper to show what a mockery the whole system is. Gael Bage

2:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

MelsTels says...

The bottom line of all this was to reduce costs from £150000? (or near it) to £85000. Is the PCC going to do all by themselves? Not another penny to be spent? You're in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that. It's done for political reasons and take to your mind off other government gaffes. Let's get back to the police authority - I'd rather a group sit round a table to discuss topics and one person deciding (no names mentioned but there was one about 75 years ago somewhere on the continent)
The bottom line of all this was to reduce costs from £150000? (or near it) to £85000. Is the PCC going to do all by themselves? Not another penny to be spent? You're in cloud cuckoo land if you believe that. It's done for political reasons and take to your mind off other government gaffes. Let's get back to the police authority - I'd rather a group sit round a table to discuss topics and one person deciding (no names mentioned but there was one about 75 years ago somewhere on the continent) MelsTels

3:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Romany65 says...

I did not vote for any particular party…I voted for the person i thought would be best at the job, based on the little information sorced online. Did not recieve anything through post from any candidate untill AFTER the election
I did not vote for any particular party…I voted for the person i thought would be best at the job, based on the little information sorced online. Did not recieve anything through post from any candidate untill AFTER the election Romany65

3:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12

MelsTels says...

meant to say "... discuss topics than one person..."
meant to say "... discuss topics than one person..." MelsTels

3:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Thumper Hove says...

I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate.

This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote. Thumper Hove

3:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ray477 says...

I did not vote , do we really need these people ( no) , wish i could earn £85,000 a year just for talking to people , b/coz thats what they are going to be paid for doing, making us think they can change things and make our lives better , political parties will run these people, like everything else , the only people who can stop the A,S,B are the the mothers and farther , by teaching the kids to behave , the court just slap more orders on them , which is like giving them a badge to show there mates,
I did not vote , do we really need these people ( no) , wish i could earn £85,000 a year just for talking to people , b/coz thats what they are going to be paid for doing, making us think they can change things and make our lives better , political parties will run these people, like everything else , the only people who can stop the A,S,B are the the mothers and farther , by teaching the kids to behave , the court just slap more orders on them , which is like giving them a badge to show there mates, ray477

3:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Thumper Hove wrote:
I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?
[quote][p][bold]Thumper Hove[/bold] wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.[/p][/quote]But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for? Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

4:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nigeyb says...

I didn't vote (for the first time in my adult life) as I don't believe we need the role and none of the candidates were attractive to me. I considered spoiling a ballot paper but concluded that would be churlish. The £100m these elections have cost would have been better used funding more police constables. A complete farce.
I didn't vote (for the first time in my adult life) as I don't believe we need the role and none of the candidates were attractive to me. I considered spoiling a ballot paper but concluded that would be churlish. The £100m these elections have cost would have been better used funding more police constables. A complete farce. nigeyb

4:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

puddingandpi says...

So who's won?
So who's won? puddingandpi

4:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Tammy Flugh says...

http://www.thedailym
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http://www.thedailym ash.co.uk/news/socie ty/low-turnout-sees- one-eyed-drug-boss-e lected-police-commis sioner-2012111649278 Tammy Flugh

4:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Andy R says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Thumper Hove wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?
Crikey! Hard to please or what!

Maybe the answer to your question is that you should have stood yourself!
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thumper Hove[/bold] wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.[/p][/quote]But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?[/p][/quote]Crikey! Hard to please or what! Maybe the answer to your question is that you should have stood yourself! Andy R

4:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Andy R wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Thumper Hove wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?
Crikey! Hard to please or what! Maybe the answer to your question is that you should have stood yourself!
Not hard to please at all actually, I was perfectly happy with the existing system.

And I didn't stand for reasons. Firstly I don't think I have the necessary qualities, and secondly and I didn't have a spare £5000 available for a deposit, plus the necessary funds to run a campaign (no party machine behind me see).

Hope that explains my position.
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thumper Hove[/bold] wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.[/p][/quote]But what about those of us who didn't want party politics to play a part and also thought the independent candidate was easily the worst of the lot? Who were we supposed to vote for?[/p][/quote]Crikey! Hard to please or what! Maybe the answer to your question is that you should have stood yourself![/p][/quote]Not hard to please at all actually, I was perfectly happy with the existing system. And I didn't stand for reasons. Firstly I don't think I have the necessary qualities, and secondly and I didn't have a spare £5000 available for a deposit, plus the necessary funds to run a campaign (no party machine behind me see). Hope that explains my position. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

4:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Brummie0121 says...

Like every other election weather it be political or not people moan about the result even when they never voted.
I think it is time we take up the Australian system where it is law to vote and only then will we get a true reflection of who and what people really want and not which side can get the most people to the voting booth.
And for those who spoilt there votes and those who didn't vote shut up you have no right to a voice.
Like every other election weather it be political or not people moan about the result even when they never voted. I think it is time we take up the Australian system where it is law to vote and only then will we get a true reflection of who and what people really want and not which side can get the most people to the voting booth. And for those who spoilt there votes and those who didn't vote shut up you have no right to a voice. Brummie0121

5:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

bug eye says...

low turnout is never an excuse for brighton and hove council when talking about consultations, if 15% reply then the scheme always goes through from parking zones to bus lanes. residents of brighton and hove also need to remember it was labour that introduced bus lanes, cycle lanes, permit zones and bankrupt the country, and would now be cutting services, when voting in elections.
low turnout is never an excuse for brighton and hove council when talking about consultations, if 15% reply then the scheme always goes through from parking zones to bus lanes. residents of brighton and hove also need to remember it was labour that introduced bus lanes, cycle lanes, permit zones and bankrupt the country, and would now be cutting services, when voting in elections. bug eye

5:46pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jase Brighton says...

A 15% turnout, is quite high when looking around the national scene. Seems more people in Brighton and Hove support such a waste of public money as the PCC's than elsewhere.
A 15% turnout, is quite high when looking around the national scene. Seems more people in Brighton and Hove support such a waste of public money as the PCC's than elsewhere. Jase Brighton

6:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Heretic says...

Thumper Hove wrote: "I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote."

For the record, I've turned out for EVERY election, local, national referendum and EU ever since I've been elegible to vote. Until now.

With no option to signal outright rejection of this farcical process, on consideration, even turning out to spoil my ballot would have added to the turnout figures in this flawed exercise. What is truly pathetic is that coverage and debate both of the bill and on the hustings has been risible. Even those who voted must find the almost toal absence of any real campaign or leafletting a disappointment.

The lack of an option for outright rejection means there was NO true choice for a post very many don't want to see created in the first place, so boycotting the whole procedure was the only logical option for many. This daft imported sham procedure will now try to pretend legitimacy it doesn't have on a turnout of less than 1 in 5, with 3 times the normal number of spoiled ballots.

Pathetic, Thumper? Congratulations on letting politicians into the police service - after all, they've done such a bang up job everywhere else.

In truth, there is NO mandate for this bankrupt scheme, and the whole thing should now be dropped.
Thumper Hove wrote: "I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote." For the record, I've turned out for EVERY election, local, national referendum and EU ever since I've been elegible to vote. Until now. With no option to signal outright rejection of this farcical process, on consideration, even turning out to spoil my ballot would have added to the turnout figures in this flawed exercise. What is truly pathetic is that coverage and debate both of the bill and on the hustings has been risible. Even those who voted must find the almost toal absence of any real campaign or leafletting a disappointment. The lack of an option for outright rejection means there was NO true choice for a post very many don't want to see created in the first place, so boycotting the whole procedure was the only logical option for many. This daft imported sham procedure will now try to pretend legitimacy it doesn't have on a turnout of less than 1 in 5, with 3 times the normal number of spoiled ballots. Pathetic, Thumper? Congratulations on letting politicians into the police service - after all, they've done such a bang up job everywhere else. In truth, there is NO mandate for this bankrupt scheme, and the whole thing should now be dropped. The Heretic

6:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12

leobrighton says...

SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE

THANKS
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE THANKS leobrighton

6:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Brummie0121 wrote:
Like every other election weather it be political or not people moan about the result even when they never voted. I think it is time we take up the Australian system where it is law to vote and only then will we get a true reflection of who and what people really want and not which side can get the most people to the voting booth. And for those who spoilt there votes and those who didn't vote shut up you have no right to a voice.
Utter rubbish - a bit like the choice of candidates. And I think the concept of compulsory voting is at odd with the concept of a free society, but at least in Australia there is a 'None of the above' option on the ballot
[quote][p][bold]Brummie0121[/bold] wrote: Like every other election weather it be political or not people moan about the result even when they never voted. I think it is time we take up the Australian system where it is law to vote and only then will we get a true reflection of who and what people really want and not which side can get the most people to the voting booth. And for those who spoilt there votes and those who didn't vote shut up you have no right to a voice.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish - a bit like the choice of candidates. And I think the concept of compulsory voting is at odd with the concept of a free society, but at least in Australia there is a 'None of the above' option on the ballot Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

6:32pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

Wish i had voted now this women looks pure evil,and her husbands is a banker.
Wish i had voted now this women looks pure evil,and her husbands is a banker. Freeloaders

6:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

leobrighton wrote:
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE

THANKS
Good post my friend.The police now only work for the rich so this could spell real trouble for the man & women in the street.
[quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE THANKS[/p][/quote]Good post my friend.The police now only work for the rich so this could spell real trouble for the man & women in the street. Freeloaders

6:35pm Fri 16 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

4:33pm on 16th November 2012 is the moment in history when it was officially acknowledged that we are going to hell in a hand basket!
4:33pm on 16th November 2012 is the moment in history when it was officially acknowledged that we are going to hell in a hand basket! mimseycal

6:53pm Fri 16 Nov 12

ya basta says...

93.4% of registered voters did not vote for Bourne but we're told that this is what the people want.

Pull the other one its got bells on.
93.4% of registered voters did not vote for Bourne but we're told that this is what the people want. Pull the other one its got bells on. ya basta

6:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Chieftain11 says...

Thumper Hove wrote:
I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate.

This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.
Voters have stayed away because they either did not understand what they were voting for or, like me, totally disagreed with this appointment from start to finish.

This was the first election of any sort I didn't vote in because, as you make very clear, it's politicization of the police. Now, off you go and help choose her Deputy behind closed doors. His or her salary will be about £40,000 with a police pension.
[quote][p][bold]Thumper Hove[/bold] wrote: I do find it pathetic that people just haven't bothered to vote. Everyone should have taken the time, and if they didn't want a political party running the police, then vote for the Independent candidate. This action would result in political parties working harder, knowing the public will vote for Independent candidates if they disagree with Con/Lib/Lab policies. The main parties rely on voter apathy - we get bad governments because people cannot be bothered to take a minute to vote.[/p][/quote]Voters have stayed away because they either did not understand what they were voting for or, like me, totally disagreed with this appointment from start to finish. This was the first election of any sort I didn't vote in because, as you make very clear, it's politicization of the police. Now, off you go and help choose her Deputy behind closed doors. His or her salary will be about £40,000 with a police pension. Chieftain11

7:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12

TheStinkingLeft says...

leobrighton wrote:
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE

THANKS
Better than a labour controlled Police Force - just imagine it - MPs stealing, immigrants not being caught or deported, minority groups being allowed to cause disruption to the town centre.

Hang on a minute, isn't that what happens now?

Maybe a Labour Police force has been in place all along.
[quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE THANKS[/p][/quote]Better than a labour controlled Police Force - just imagine it - MPs stealing, immigrants not being caught or deported, minority groups being allowed to cause disruption to the town centre. Hang on a minute, isn't that what happens now? Maybe a Labour Police force has been in place all along. TheStinkingLeft

7:15pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Dr Wombleface says...

Doomed, we're all doomed!
Doomed, we're all doomed! Dr Wombleface

8:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Metro Reader says...

did not and do not agree with this, but I did vote.

It is shocking on two accouts, first the did not get any information form any of the candidates, second that the police are now controlled by the main (corupt) policical parties.

The person that 'won' can ever say she has a mandate.
did not and do not agree with this, but I did vote. It is shocking on two accouts, first the did not get any information form any of the candidates, second that the police are now controlled by the main (corupt) policical parties. The person that 'won' can ever say she has a mandate. Metro Reader

9:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12

gnarlychaos says...

The non voters were probably doing more important things like helping the police with there enquiries or maybe even trolling the Argus website.
The non voters were probably doing more important things like helping the police with there enquiries or maybe even trolling the Argus website. gnarlychaos

10:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

gaz scott wrote:
Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".
Similar level of interest to occupy Brighton......Diddly squat

People like you make me giggle
[quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".[/p][/quote]Similar level of interest to occupy Brighton......Diddly squat People like you make me giggle Somethingsarejustwrong

11:10pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Alison Smith says...

Well done Katy Bourne, the only candidate I got literature from & was canvassed by. Perhaps that's why she won?
Well done Katy Bourne, the only candidate I got literature from & was canvassed by. Perhaps that's why she won? Alison Smith

11:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

The Heretic says...

mimseycal wrote:
4:33pm on 16th November 2012 is the moment in history when it was officially acknowledged that we are going to hell in a hand basket!
That started with Amenhotep IV, and just got worse since foundation of 'the Fed' 100 years ago. Bad day for democracy all the same.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: 4:33pm on 16th November 2012 is the moment in history when it was officially acknowledged that we are going to hell in a hand basket![/p][/quote]That started with Amenhotep IV, and just got worse since foundation of 'the Fed' 100 years ago. Bad day for democracy all the same. The Heretic

9:34am Sat 17 Nov 12

John Steed says...

doralora wrote:
It seems to me that most people voted according to their political persuasion as the areas voting have roughly the same political veiws. Its my opinion that having a party political election for a role which most would agree should be apolitical is just wrong. I also note that the probable winner here also has the least experience with the police which is also pretty depressing.
in worthing the independant came a credible 2nd, I fully concur on the rest of your statement
[quote][p][bold]doralora[/bold] wrote: It seems to me that most people voted according to their political persuasion as the areas voting have roughly the same political veiws. Its my opinion that having a party political election for a role which most would agree should be apolitical is just wrong. I also note that the probable winner here also has the least experience with the police which is also pretty depressing.[/p][/quote]in worthing the independant came a credible 2nd, I fully concur on the rest of your statement John Steed

10:30am Sat 17 Nov 12

Romany65 says...

So now the whinging begins…A Conservative got elected blah blah….If you did not bother to vote then live with it! This election was always going to happen so it was up to you to use your vote. Put up or shut up. Simple's.
So now the whinging begins…A Conservative got elected blah blah….If you did not bother to vote then live with it! This election was always going to happen so it was up to you to use your vote. Put up or shut up. Simple's. Romany65

10:31am Sat 17 Nov 12

Romany65 says...

So now the whinging begins…A Conservative got elected blah blah….If you did not bother to vote then live with it! This election was always going to happen so it was up to you to use your vote. Put up or shut up. Simple's.
So now the whinging begins…A Conservative got elected blah blah….If you did not bother to vote then live with it! This election was always going to happen so it was up to you to use your vote. Put up or shut up. Simple's. Romany65

12:06pm Sat 17 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".
Similar level of interest to occupy Brighton......Diddly squat

People like you make me giggle
Ha ha good point, Gaz does trip himself up with his rhetoric sometimes!!
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: Next time we hear anyone claiming Union ballots or strikes are illegitimate because of limited numbers who actually bother to vote just say "PCC".[/p][/quote]Similar level of interest to occupy Brighton......Diddly squat People like you make me giggle[/p][/quote]Ha ha good point, Gaz does trip himself up with his rhetoric sometimes!! AmboGuy

1:42pm Sat 17 Nov 12

sosparty says...

Dear Katy Bourne,

Congratulations on your predicted victory as the first Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner.

May we extend our heart-felt wishes that you up-hold your Oath of Office and wish you three and a half years of successful endeavour.

In the same way you will bring accountability to the Chief Constable, may we extend the same, by pledging our own Oath to bring accountability to you, as an elected PCC, in our capacity as Shadow Police and Crime Commissioners (SSPCC).

We look forward to working with you and scrutinizing your every move and decision.

Best wishes,
Matt Taylor and David Joe Neilson...​
http://www.shadowsus
sexpolicecrimecommis
sioner.co.uk/
Dear Katy Bourne,  Congratulations on your predicted victory as the first Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner.  May we extend our heart-felt wishes that you up-hold your Oath of Office and wish you three and a half years of successful endeavour.  In the same way you will bring accountability to the Chief Constable, may we extend the same, by pledging our own Oath to bring accountability to you, as an elected PCC, in our capacity as Shadow Police and Crime Commissioners (SSPCC).  We look forward to working with you and scrutinizing your every move and decision.  Best wishes, Matt Taylor and David Joe Neilson...​ http://www.shadowsus sexpolicecrimecommis sioner.co.uk/ sosparty

1:49pm Sat 17 Nov 12

sussexram40 says...

I completely oppose the idea. No place for politicians in Policing. I didnt vote on purpose. None of the winners has any authority or mandate so its a total waste of time. When over 90% of voters didnt want you doing the job then you cant do it effectively. Basically, every candidate lost and nobody won.
I completely oppose the idea. No place for politicians in Policing. I didnt vote on purpose. None of the winners has any authority or mandate so its a total waste of time. When over 90% of voters didnt want you doing the job then you cant do it effectively. Basically, every candidate lost and nobody won. sussexram40

3:14pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Brightonlocal says...

There were independant candidates who had no political affiliation. An ex cop and a retired police authrity member. We didnt bother to vote for them, this is what happens...
There were independant candidates who had no political affiliation. An ex cop and a retired police authrity member. We didnt bother to vote for them, this is what happens... Brightonlocal

4:48pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

gnarlychaos wrote:
The non voters were probably doing more important things like helping the police with there enquiries or maybe even trolling the Argus website.
What a stupid coment after such a poor turn out.I think its safe to say you are a work shy copper with nothing better to do.
[quote][p][bold]gnarlychaos[/bold] wrote: The non voters were probably doing more important things like helping the police with there enquiries or maybe even trolling the Argus website.[/p][/quote]What a stupid coment after such a poor turn out.I think its safe to say you are a work shy copper with nothing better to do. Freeloaders

4:57pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Freeloaders wrote:
leobrighton wrote:
SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE

THANKS
Good post my friend.The police now only work for the rich so this could spell real trouble for the man & women in the street.
Personally I'm quite happy if the force sorts out freeoaders !
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: SO BASICALLY WE NOW HAVE A CONSERVATIVE CONTROLLED POLICE FORCE THANKS[/p][/quote]Good post my friend.The police now only work for the rich so this could spell real trouble for the man & women in the street.[/p][/quote]Personally I'm quite happy if the force sorts out freeoaders ! Idontbelieveit1948

6:24pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

Yes but they don't they just go for easy target.Its just about getting convictions so the paper work looks good.You only have to read the posts on st james street & London rd.Or more so after the Carlo Dawes trial.There were hundreds that all feel the same as me.People getting kicked in the head just yards from their station & they don't even turn up.What do they do just tell the Argus to remove the posts.Lets face it you don't need a lot of brains to work out there is a big problem in Brighton with Liverpool drugs gangs.Just over the last few weeks there have been three murder trials in the Argus,and all three there is talk of Liverpool drug gangs.Its been going on for years but you never see anyone getting charged or put away in the Argus.If there are three thousand users in the City,ask yourself how many dealers does that make.
Yes but they don't they just go for easy target.Its just about getting convictions so the paper work looks good.You only have to read the posts on st james street & London rd.Or more so after the Carlo Dawes trial.There were hundreds that all feel the same as me.People getting kicked in the head just yards from their station & they don't even turn up.What do they do just tell the Argus to remove the posts.Lets face it you don't need a lot of brains to work out there is a big problem in Brighton with Liverpool drugs gangs.Just over the last few weeks there have been three murder trials in the Argus,and all three there is talk of Liverpool drug gangs.Its been going on for years but you never see anyone getting charged or put away in the Argus.If there are three thousand users in the City,ask yourself how many dealers does that make. Freeloaders

12:40pm Sun 18 Nov 12

C. French says...

My congratulations to Katy Bourne on winning the PCC role. Katy is a lovely lady, but completely unsuitable for this role. Katy has a lack of Police experience and I have serious doubts about her accuracy with numbers, both key requirements for this role, in order to hold the Chief Constable of Sussex to account.

She talks a lot about her "proven ability" and "strong budgetary control", however I have deep concerns about her bold claims. Her PCC manifesto made financial claims that appear to me highly inaccurate, consequently misleading and have yet to be corroborated.

I have challenged her and her Election Agent, on their Conservative PCC manifesto claims, that the Sussex Police Authority costs £245k, when the figures from the Sussex Police Authority's accounts show a figure of £179k. I am still awaiting a satisfactory explanation from Katy and her Election Agent as to where Katy's £245k figure came from.

http://ukipmidsx.org
/katy-bournes-pcc-co
st-saving-claims/

Chris French
Chairman
UKIP Mid Sussex
www.ukipmidsx.org
My congratulations to Katy Bourne on winning the PCC role. Katy is a lovely lady, but completely unsuitable for this role. Katy has a lack of Police experience and I have serious doubts about her accuracy with numbers, both key requirements for this role, in order to hold the Chief Constable of Sussex to account. She talks a lot about her "proven ability" and "strong budgetary control", however I have deep concerns about her bold claims. Her PCC manifesto made financial claims that appear to me highly inaccurate, consequently misleading and have yet to be corroborated. I have challenged her and her Election Agent, on their Conservative PCC manifesto claims, that the Sussex Police Authority costs £245k, when the figures from the Sussex Police Authority's accounts show a figure of £179k. I am still awaiting a satisfactory explanation from Katy and her Election Agent as to where Katy's £245k figure came from. http://ukipmidsx.org /katy-bournes-pcc-co st-saving-claims/ Chris French Chairman UKIP Mid Sussex www.ukipmidsx.org C. French

2:31pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

As long as she's prepared to turn the hoses on the rabble when needed, I'll be happy enough.
As long as she's prepared to turn the hoses on the rabble when needed, I'll be happy enough. Fairfax Sakes

8:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12

mictrix says...

Romany65 wrote:
Whether or not we agree this election, it is happening. So the best we can do is vote for the best canditate from those we are presented with.and that is what I did
yes we get it... hooray! you voted jolly good for you... yawn
[quote][p][bold]Romany65[/bold] wrote: Whether or not we agree this election, it is happening. So the best we can do is vote for the best canditate from those we are presented with.and that is what I did[/p][/quote]yes we get it... hooray! you voted jolly good for you... yawn mictrix

8:26pm Mon 19 Nov 12

mictrix says...

puddingandpi wrote:
So who's won?
lol
[quote][p][bold]puddingandpi[/bold] wrote: So who's won?[/p][/quote]lol mictrix

9:12pm Mon 19 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

mictrix wrote:
puddingandpi wrote:
So who's won?
lol
Won what?
[quote][p][bold]mictrix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puddingandpi[/bold] wrote: So who's won?[/p][/quote]lol[/p][/quote]Won what? AmboGuy

3:56pm Wed 21 Nov 12

OneThatknows says...

I believe most didnt even know why this was started its a half baked New York idea which doesnt even work on Wall Street I thought everyone knew that except Mr Moron.

Spoiling the ballot was just a protest better than sitting at home doing this.

Word to the unwise destroy your debit cards NOW.

Cancel your cell phones TV licenses use letters or encrypted emails Tweet Cameron hourly over injustices. Ask awkward questions STOP buying stuff you dont need and get a better job where you are wanted trusted and appreciated.

Works for me.

I retired 18 years ago at Age 48 so should everyone
I believe most didnt even know why this was started its a half baked New York idea which doesnt even work on Wall Street I thought everyone knew that except Mr Moron. Spoiling the ballot was just a protest better than sitting at home doing this. Word to the unwise destroy your debit cards NOW. Cancel your cell phones TV licenses use letters or encrypted emails Tweet Cameron hourly over injustices. Ask awkward questions STOP buying stuff you dont need and get a better job where you are wanted trusted and appreciated. Works for me. I retired 18 years ago at Age 48 so should everyone OneThatknows

4:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12

OneThatknows says...

I worked for LLoyds bank resigned after 11 years of bad treatment except by one brilliant manager God rest His Soul Geoffrey Hills sadly missed a true gentleman respected and trusted by 5000 customers at East Grinstead and Canterbury and Bournemouth
I worked for LLoyds bank resigned after 11 years of bad treatment except by one brilliant manager God rest His Soul Geoffrey Hills sadly missed a true gentleman respected and trusted by 5000 customers at East Grinstead and Canterbury and Bournemouth OneThatknows

7:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

OneThatknows wrote:
I worked for LLoyds bank resigned after 11 years of bad treatment except by one brilliant manager God rest His Soul Geoffrey Hills sadly missed a true gentleman respected and trusted by 5000 customers at East Grinstead and Canterbury and Bournemouth
Errrr???? What?
[quote][p][bold]OneThatknows[/bold] wrote: I worked for LLoyds bank resigned after 11 years of bad treatment except by one brilliant manager God rest His Soul Geoffrey Hills sadly missed a true gentleman respected and trusted by 5000 customers at East Grinstead and Canterbury and Bournemouth[/p][/quote]Errrr???? What? AmboGuy

2:40pm Thu 22 Nov 12

OneThatknows says...

Errrr???? What?

The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened huim with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What??

FI!
Errrr???? What? The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened huim with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What?? FI! OneThatknows

2:40pm Thu 22 Nov 12

OneThatknows says...

Errrr???? What?

The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened him with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What??


FI!
Errrr???? What? The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened him with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What?? FI! OneThatknows

11:41pm Thu 22 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

OneThatknows wrote:
Errrr???? What?

The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened him with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What??


FI!
What are you on? Are you confused?

This is a story about the newly elected Crime Commissioner for Sussex and you come on here banging on about someone called Geoffrey Hills and telling us to cancel our 'cell' phones! Now you're talking about child abuse in North Wales, I think most people would be thinking 'Err What' looking at your bizarre rant.
FI !!
[quote][p][bold]OneThatknows[/bold] wrote: Errrr???? What? The police in North Wales misidentified the picture for Messhams child abuse threatened him with death burned his house down and all you can say is Err What?? FI![/p][/quote]What are you on? Are you confused? This is a story about the newly elected Crime Commissioner for Sussex and you come on here banging on about someone called Geoffrey Hills and telling us to cancel our 'cell' phones! Now you're talking about child abuse in North Wales, I think most people would be thinking 'Err What' looking at your bizarre rant. FI !! AmboGuy

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