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Fresh concerns have been raised over the long-term future of the land next to the American Express Community Stadium.

Opposition councillors say they fear that the Green administration have “rowed back” on an agreement to allow the land to be used by Brighton and Hove Albion and the Bridge Community Centre.

However, council leader Jason Kitcat said that his administration were following legal obligations by opening up the land at Falmer to all bidders and said there could be no exclusivity deal to any party for the permanent use of the land.

Councillors were told at a committee meeting on Thursday,  November 15, that preparations were under way to “test the market” to find a long-term developer for the land at the former Falmer High School.

The original plans had been put on hold in December last year after the Green administration overruled the car park going ahead days before it was due to be signed.

They were accused at the time of reneging on a promise made to the club by the previous Tory administration allowing the club to use the land.

Coun Kitcat said that no trace of a formal agreement with the previous Tory administration was located when the Greens took over in 2011 and that they were keeping to the three-year agreement made in April for the temporary use of the site as a 680-space car park and for the Bridge Community Centre.

Mr Kitcat said the council would seek to get the best value from the land for the city and that Brighton and Hove Albion were welcome to enter the bidding process but there could be no exclusivity deal for the site.

He added: "We have always been clear that we see the football club as a key partner in the future of the Falmer Released Land.

“We remain committed to the success of the growing Albion football club and Amex Community Stadium as well as the Bridge Community Centre. Along with the neighbouring BACA school they are key stakeholders. However, the council legally must follow a proper process which gets best value for taxpayers.”

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Labour deputy leader Councillor Warren Morgan said: “Everyone believed the Greens running the council had agreed to this, but now there are fears they may have gone back on their word.

“Labour on the city council will do everything we can to hold the Greens to their promise and not let them once again oppose the Albion moving forward.”

Conservative leader Geoffrey Theobald urged the council resolve the issue as soon as possible and feared it could jeopardise the work of the Bridge Community Centre.

He added: “It has always been my understanding that an agreement had been reached between the Council Administration and Brighton and Hove Albion about the development of the retained land at Falmer.

“If that was the case then it is wrong for the Greens to now row back on that agreement as they appear to be doing.”

Jayne Ross,from the Bridge Community Centre, said: “It’s our understanding that there will be development on the land which will include the permanent site for The Bridge.

“We hope these proposals and agreement will be resolved relatively quickly to ensure the long-term sustainability of the Bridge.

“Any lengthy delay in any development could potentially affect our funding situation.”

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12:52pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Alan G Skinner says...

The greens have their own agenda, they are not capable of "running", Brighton and Hove and they will be thrown out by the real parties, when the "novelty" factor where's even thinner. They are damaging Brightons economy and ruining lives.
The greens have their own agenda, they are not capable of "running", Brighton and Hove and they will be thrown out by the real parties, when the "novelty" factor where's even thinner. They are damaging Brightons economy and ruining lives. Alan G Skinner
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12:56pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

No surprises, the Greens have been anti-Albion from the start (witness the anti-stadium posts from their supporters on here). They're certainly not going to miss an opportunity to put the boot in.

As a Labour supporter I find it interesting that Mr Kitkat is hiding behind the old 'let market forces decide the price' argument. More proof that,despite what some say, the Greens are more right-wing than the Tories, and scratch the surface of any Green supporter and you'll find a reactionary nasty, anti-working class Tory underneath.
No surprises, the Greens have been anti-Albion from the start (witness the anti-stadium posts from their supporters on here). They're certainly not going to miss an opportunity to put the boot in. As a Labour supporter I find it interesting that Mr Kitkat is hiding behind the old 'let market forces decide the price' argument. More proof that,despite what some say, the Greens are more right-wing than the Tories, and scratch the surface of any Green supporter and you'll find a reactionary nasty, anti-working class Tory underneath. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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1:28pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Tring says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
No surprises, the Greens have been anti-Albion from the start (witness the anti-stadium posts from their supporters on here). They're certainly not going to miss an opportunity to put the boot in.

As a Labour supporter I find it interesting that Mr Kitkat is hiding behind the old 'let market forces decide the price' argument. More proof that,despite what some say, the Greens are more right-wing than the Tories, and scratch the surface of any Green supporter and you'll find a reactionary nasty, anti-working class Tory underneath.
Hmm. No wild generalisations here eh?

Of course Blairite Labour are well known for their hostility to market forces, aren't they?

You should be attacking the hopelessness of the last Tory admin of the city, which couldn't (or wouldn't) minute decisions properly. Not indulging in this kind of sectarian rubbish. I write not as a Green partisan but someone who wouldn't mind having a real Labour party back. There are some signs that might be happening, but not in your post.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: No surprises, the Greens have been anti-Albion from the start (witness the anti-stadium posts from their supporters on here). They're certainly not going to miss an opportunity to put the boot in. As a Labour supporter I find it interesting that Mr Kitkat is hiding behind the old 'let market forces decide the price' argument. More proof that,despite what some say, the Greens are more right-wing than the Tories, and scratch the surface of any Green supporter and you'll find a reactionary nasty, anti-working class Tory underneath.[/p][/quote]Hmm. No wild generalisations here eh? Of course Blairite Labour are well known for their hostility to market forces, aren't they? You should be attacking the hopelessness of the last Tory admin of the city, which couldn't (or wouldn't) minute decisions properly. Not indulging in this kind of sectarian rubbish. I write not as a Green partisan but someone who wouldn't mind having a real Labour party back. There are some signs that might be happening, but not in your post. Tring
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2:16pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Jake-Forster-Caskey-Peng says...

time for caroline lucas to sort them out!
time for caroline lucas to sort them out! Jake-Forster-Caskey-Peng
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3:16pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

So Kitkat WAS lying in his tweets a few months ago !!!!!!! So not only is he useless, he's a liar to boot.
So Kitkat WAS lying in his tweets a few months ago !!!!!!! So not only is he useless, he's a liar to boot. Fight_Back
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4:22pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council.
Where is the equality in that?
Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council. Where is the equality in that? Maxwell's Ghost
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4:37pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Hove Actually says...

Sad but probably legally correct, the council would need to get the most it can, it is up to B&HA to come up with the goods and therefore repay every council tax payer and not just benefit those who support the club.
Sad but probably legally correct, the council would need to get the most it can, it is up to B&HA to come up with the goods and therefore repay every council tax payer and not just benefit those who support the club. Hove Actually
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4:37pm Mon 19 Nov 12

george smith says...

Was the bridge replaced anywhere else, since when has it been PC to replace a community centre with a car park
Was the bridge replaced anywhere else, since when has it been PC to replace a community centre with a car park george smith
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4:43pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Plantpot says...

Hopefully the citizens of B&H can make plenty of cash out of this. Of course, who will decide which scheme is best placed to go on this land? My guess would be that even if it turned out there was the equivalent of the North Sea oil reserves under the land, the Albion will still be given the nod, even if the cheapest bid.
Hopefully the citizens of B&H can make plenty of cash out of this. Of course, who will decide which scheme is best placed to go on this land? My guess would be that even if it turned out there was the equivalent of the North Sea oil reserves under the land, the Albion will still be given the nod, even if the cheapest bid. Plantpot
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4:44pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Plantpot says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council.
Where is the equality in that?
Even stranger they didn't fight to stop the stadium being built in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council. Where is the equality in that?[/p][/quote]Even stranger they didn't fight to stop the stadium being built in the first place. Plantpot
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4:49pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Ringmer Rich says...

I think Mr Kitcat needs to take a long break! :)
I think Mr Kitcat needs to take a long break! :) Ringmer Rich
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4:55pm Mon 19 Nov 12

chrisso says...

''Rowed back'' ?!?
I presume this is more corporate b/s speak from the U.S. - or maybe just councillors (wrongly) trying to make themselves sound more business-like ''going forward''.
''Rowed back'' ?!? I presume this is more corporate b/s speak from the U.S. - or maybe just councillors (wrongly) trying to make themselves sound more business-like ''going forward''. chrisso
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5:07pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council.
Where is the equality in that?
Indeed good sir. Good post.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council. Where is the equality in that?[/p][/quote]Indeed good sir. Good post. Hoarder12345444
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6:11pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

Plantpot wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council.
Where is the equality in that?
Even stranger they didn't fight to stop the stadium being built in the first place.
That will be because they supported the development ! You and your conspiracy theories !!!!

Why don't you swallow your pride and go to a match. You'll see 25k people enjoying themselves, you'll see how a muddy unused field can be turned into something useful for the city, you'll see the hundreds of jobs that have been created, you'll see how much income the club are pulling into the city during these depressed times. You'll need to remove that massive chip from your shoulder first though as chips aren't allowed at the Amex !
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council. Where is the equality in that?[/p][/quote]Even stranger they didn't fight to stop the stadium being built in the first place.[/p][/quote]That will be because they supported the development ! You and your conspiracy theories !!!! Why don't you swallow your pride and go to a match. You'll see 25k people enjoying themselves, you'll see how a muddy unused field can be turned into something useful for the city, you'll see the hundreds of jobs that have been created, you'll see how much income the club are pulling into the city during these depressed times. You'll need to remove that massive chip from your shoulder first though as chips aren't allowed at the Amex ! Fight_Back
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6:19pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Dave5434 says...

Surprise surprise. The Greens don’t want the Albion to have this piece of land. Even though there was a firm gentleman’s agreement with the previous city council. Who the heck voted for these tree hugging, sandal wearing idiots in the first place? Oh yes I forgot, all those crusty squatters and other down and outs who could do with a wash and who are not originally from Brighton and Hove in any case. Typical Greens. Typical killjoys.
Surprise surprise. The Greens don’t want the Albion to have this piece of land. Even though there was a firm gentleman’s agreement with the previous city council. Who the heck voted for these tree hugging, sandal wearing idiots in the first place? Oh yes I forgot, all those crusty squatters and other down and outs who could do with a wash and who are not originally from Brighton and Hove in any case. Typical Greens. Typical killjoys. Dave5434
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6:27pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

Don't worry football fans Jason Kitekat is on the case.

Oh, in other words bye-bye football in Brighton.

Football represents EVERYTHING The snot Greens hate.

1. Excitement
2. Freedoms
3. Meat pies
4. Competition
5. Fun
6. Male dominance
7. Community Collectivism

They want us all to hand our money to Albanian goat herders and sell our cars so Red Indians in Arizona can reclaim their land.

The sooner we get these foul clowns out of office, the better.
Don't worry football fans Jason Kitekat is on the case. Oh, in other words bye-bye football in Brighton. Football represents EVERYTHING The snot Greens hate. 1. Excitement 2. Freedoms 3. Meat pies 4. Competition 5. Fun 6. Male dominance 7. Community Collectivism They want us all to hand our money to Albanian goat herders and sell our cars so Red Indians in Arizona can reclaim their land. The sooner we get these foul clowns out of office, the better. Algeria Touchshriek
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6:44pm Mon 19 Nov 12

ShorehamBeachcomber says...

I would guess around 50,000 different brighton fans from the area have visited the stadium to support the Albion over the past 18 months so the Greens are very likely to guarantee significant seat losses at future elections by pursuing an anti Albion agenda....turkeys voting for Xmas
I would guess around 50,000 different brighton fans from the area have visited the stadium to support the Albion over the past 18 months so the Greens are very likely to guarantee significant seat losses at future elections by pursuing an anti Albion agenda....turkeys voting for Xmas ShorehamBeachcomber
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7:17pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Vicente_1 says...

Suppose they could build a travellers site on the land for all the non tax paying people to use... absolutely useless they couldnt run a **** up in a brewery!
Suppose they could build a travellers site on the land for all the non tax paying people to use... absolutely useless they couldnt run a **** up in a brewery! Vicente_1
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10:37pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Baldseagull says...

chrisso wrote:
''Rowed back'' ?!?
I presume this is more corporate b/s speak from the U.S. - or maybe just councillors (wrongly) trying to make themselves sound more business-like ''going forward''.
Just a rowers alternative to the cyclists back pedalling.
[quote][p][bold]chrisso[/bold] wrote: ''Rowed back'' ?!? I presume this is more corporate b/s speak from the U.S. - or maybe just councillors (wrongly) trying to make themselves sound more business-like ''going forward''.[/p][/quote]Just a rowers alternative to the cyclists back pedalling. Baldseagull
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10:39pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Baldseagull says...

chrisso wrote:
''Rowed back'' ?!?
I presume this is more corporate b/s speak from the U.S. - or maybe just councillors (wrongly) trying to make themselves sound more business-like ''going forward''.
Just a rowers alternative to the cyclists back pedalling.
[quote][p][bold]chrisso[/bold] wrote: ''Rowed back'' ?!? I presume this is more corporate b/s speak from the U.S. - or maybe just councillors (wrongly) trying to make themselves sound more business-like ''going forward''.[/p][/quote]Just a rowers alternative to the cyclists back pedalling. Baldseagull
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11:15pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Smartbloke says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
No surprises, the Greens have been anti-Albion from the start (witness the anti-stadium posts from their supporters on here). They're certainly not going to miss an opportunity to put the boot in.

As a Labour supporter I find it interesting that Mr Kitkat is hiding behind the old 'let market forces decide the price' argument. More proof that,despite what some say, the Greens are more right-wing than the Tories, and scratch the surface of any Green supporter and you'll find a reactionary nasty, anti-working class Tory underneath.
This sounds like the vacuous bore that is Warren Morgan talking total ****.

Still no need for a good lie to get in the way of the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: No surprises, the Greens have been anti-Albion from the start (witness the anti-stadium posts from their supporters on here). They're certainly not going to miss an opportunity to put the boot in. As a Labour supporter I find it interesting that Mr Kitkat is hiding behind the old 'let market forces decide the price' argument. More proof that,despite what some say, the Greens are more right-wing than the Tories, and scratch the surface of any Green supporter and you'll find a reactionary nasty, anti-working class Tory underneath.[/p][/quote]This sounds like the vacuous bore that is Warren Morgan talking total ****. Still no need for a good lie to get in the way of the truth. Smartbloke
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11:17pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Smartbloke says...

Good old Maxwell's Ghost.

The Argus Comment's Section most tedious bore creating his own fantasies.

Brilliant.
Good old Maxwell's Ghost. The Argus Comment's Section most tedious bore creating his own fantasies. Brilliant. Smartbloke
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11:58pm Mon 19 Nov 12

fredflintstone1 says...

Smartbloke wrote:
Good old Maxwell's Ghost.

The Argus Comment's Section most tedious bore creating his own fantasies.

Brilliant.
Sorry, but Maxwell's Ghost is quite right. It's not just the Lewes Road though, it's London Road, Western Road, the A259 coast road etc - right through the city.

Car-drivers are denied access to vast swathes of these roads in order to subsidise a private company, without any attempt to get this reflected commercially in the fare pricing.

The bus company made an operating profit of £5,878,000 in 2010 and enjoys a virtual monopoly on bus services in the city.

It's time that the council reviewed this situation and the huge subsidy it provides by creating bus lanes, when it comes to developing a more sustainable transport policy.

B&H Buses should be forced to lower their fares on routes where they use bus lanes, thereby encouraging more people to use buses.
[quote][p][bold]Smartbloke[/bold] wrote: Good old Maxwell's Ghost. The Argus Comment's Section most tedious bore creating his own fantasies. Brilliant.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but Maxwell's Ghost is quite right. It's not just the Lewes Road though, it's London Road, Western Road, the A259 coast road etc - right through the city. Car-drivers are denied access to vast swathes of these roads in order to subsidise a private company, without any attempt to get this reflected commercially in the fare pricing. The bus company made an operating profit of £5,878,000 in 2010 and enjoys a virtual monopoly on bus services in the city. It's time that the council reviewed this situation and the huge subsidy it provides by creating bus lanes, when it comes to developing a more sustainable transport policy. B&H Buses should be forced to lower their fares on routes where they use bus lanes, thereby encouraging more people to use buses. fredflintstone1
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5:36am Tue 20 Nov 12

Kate234 says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Smartbloke wrote:
Good old Maxwell's Ghost.

The Argus Comment's Section most tedious bore creating his own fantasies.

Brilliant.
Sorry, but Maxwell's Ghost is quite right. It's not just the Lewes Road though, it's London Road, Western Road, the A259 coast road etc - right through the city.

Car-drivers are denied access to vast swathes of these roads in order to subsidise a private company, without any attempt to get this reflected commercially in the fare pricing.

The bus company made an operating profit of £5,878,000 in 2010 and enjoys a virtual monopoly on bus services in the city.

It's time that the council reviewed this situation and the huge subsidy it provides by creating bus lanes, when it comes to developing a more sustainable transport policy.

B&H Buses should be forced to lower their fares on routes where they use bus lanes, thereby encouraging more people to use buses.
That's a great idea. Then people would be able to afford them. They save on fuel due to bus lanes. Lets cut their subsidies or force them to reduce prices.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smartbloke[/bold] wrote: Good old Maxwell's Ghost. The Argus Comment's Section most tedious bore creating his own fantasies. Brilliant.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but Maxwell's Ghost is quite right. It's not just the Lewes Road though, it's London Road, Western Road, the A259 coast road etc - right through the city. Car-drivers are denied access to vast swathes of these roads in order to subsidise a private company, without any attempt to get this reflected commercially in the fare pricing. The bus company made an operating profit of £5,878,000 in 2010 and enjoys a virtual monopoly on bus services in the city. It's time that the council reviewed this situation and the huge subsidy it provides by creating bus lanes, when it comes to developing a more sustainable transport policy. B&H Buses should be forced to lower their fares on routes where they use bus lanes, thereby encouraging more people to use buses.[/p][/quote]That's a great idea. Then people would be able to afford them. They save on fuel due to bus lanes. Lets cut their subsidies or force them to reduce prices. Kate234
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6:20am Tue 20 Nov 12

Plantpot says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council.
Where is the equality in that?
Even stranger they didn't fight to stop the stadium being built in the first place.
That will be because they supported the development ! You and your conspiracy theories !!!!

Why don't you swallow your pride and go to a match. You'll see 25k people enjoying themselves, you'll see how a muddy unused field can be turned into something useful for the city, you'll see the hundreds of jobs that have been created, you'll see how much income the club are pulling into the city during these depressed times. You'll need to remove that massive chip from your shoulder first though as chips aren't allowed at the Amex !
The Greens were conspicuous by their keeping quiet about the whole thing. I certainly don't remember them being in favour at all.

I will never set foot in the stadium, not even for the rugby. I also find some of your claims rather far fetched. In controversial planning decisions such as this, it would be helpful if the claims made by the applicant in order to get the thing built were subject to independent scrutiny some time after the event. Of course, this won't happen.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Its strange that the Greens want the land to go for the best price yet are handing over a whole stretch of the Lewes Road to the bus company, which is a monopoly, privately owned, profit making company which also receives subsidies from the council. Where is the equality in that?[/p][/quote]Even stranger they didn't fight to stop the stadium being built in the first place.[/p][/quote]That will be because they supported the development ! You and your conspiracy theories !!!! Why don't you swallow your pride and go to a match. You'll see 25k people enjoying themselves, you'll see how a muddy unused field can be turned into something useful for the city, you'll see the hundreds of jobs that have been created, you'll see how much income the club are pulling into the city during these depressed times. You'll need to remove that massive chip from your shoulder first though as chips aren't allowed at the Amex ![/p][/quote]The Greens were conspicuous by their keeping quiet about the whole thing. I certainly don't remember them being in favour at all. I will never set foot in the stadium, not even for the rugby. I also find some of your claims rather far fetched. In controversial planning decisions such as this, it would be helpful if the claims made by the applicant in order to get the thing built were subject to independent scrutiny some time after the event. Of course, this won't happen. Plantpot
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6:25am Tue 20 Nov 12

Plantpot says...

Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
Don't worry football fans Jason Kitekat is on the case.

Oh, in other words bye-bye football in Brighton.

Football represents EVERYTHING The snot Greens hate.

1. Excitement
2. Freedoms
3. Meat pies
4. Competition
5. Fun
6. Male dominance
7. Community Collectivism

They want us all to hand our money to Albanian goat herders and sell our cars so Red Indians in Arizona can reclaim their land.

The sooner we get these foul clowns out of office, the better.
I think much of that is true except points 1 & 7. Soccer is unbearably repetitive and tedious, especially as the whistle seems to blow at the slightest contact, which given the nature of the game is unavoidable. I don't know about community collectivism either. Still, when Crystal Palace come to town we'll see just how much collectivism is in evidence I suppose, especially if last year is anything to go by.
[quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: Don't worry football fans Jason Kitekat is on the case. Oh, in other words bye-bye football in Brighton. Football represents EVERYTHING The snot Greens hate. 1. Excitement 2. Freedoms 3. Meat pies 4. Competition 5. Fun 6. Male dominance 7. Community Collectivism They want us all to hand our money to Albanian goat herders and sell our cars so Red Indians in Arizona can reclaim their land. The sooner we get these foul clowns out of office, the better.[/p][/quote]I think much of that is true except points 1 & 7. Soccer is unbearably repetitive and tedious, especially as the whistle seems to blow at the slightest contact, which given the nature of the game is unavoidable. I don't know about community collectivism either. Still, when Crystal Palace come to town we'll see just how much collectivism is in evidence I suppose, especially if last year is anything to go by. Plantpot
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10:35am Tue 20 Nov 12

Tring says...

Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
Don't worry football fans Jason Kitekat is on the case.

Oh, in other words bye-bye football in Brighton.

Football represents EVERYTHING The snot Greens hate.

1. Excitement
2. Freedoms
3. Meat pies
4. Competition
5. Fun
6. Male dominance
7. Community Collectivism

They want us all to hand our money to Albanian goat herders and sell our cars so Red Indians in Arizona can reclaim their land.

The sooner we get these foul clowns out of office, the better.
It's quite possible to like football and be broadly supportive of the Greens. And I don't recognise your killjoy description from the Greens I know.

As for 'male dominance', is that really what you mean? Women in kitchen only? Which century are you living in?

The party that has done the most damage to football are the Tories. It was they who insisted on all-seater stadiums after Hillsborough, rather than have a proper enquiry into what happened. The result has been to drive ticket prices through the roof, so that it's now actually cheaper to go to more Tory-friendly events like opera than it is to see your local football team. I go about once a year these days.

As for the planning application, these things shouldn't be done by 'gentleman's agreements' - it should be out the open. That's democracy - stuff done behind closed doors smacks of municipal corruption.
[quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: Don't worry football fans Jason Kitekat is on the case. Oh, in other words bye-bye football in Brighton. Football represents EVERYTHING The snot Greens hate. 1. Excitement 2. Freedoms 3. Meat pies 4. Competition 5. Fun 6. Male dominance 7. Community Collectivism They want us all to hand our money to Albanian goat herders and sell our cars so Red Indians in Arizona can reclaim their land. The sooner we get these foul clowns out of office, the better.[/p][/quote]It's quite possible to like football and be broadly supportive of the Greens. And I don't recognise your killjoy description from the Greens I know. As for 'male dominance', is that really what you mean? Women in kitchen only? Which century are you living in? The party that has done the most damage to football are the Tories. It was they who insisted on all-seater stadiums after Hillsborough, rather than have a proper enquiry into what happened. The result has been to drive ticket prices through the roof, so that it's now actually cheaper to go to more Tory-friendly events like opera than it is to see your local football team. I go about once a year these days. As for the planning application, these things shouldn't be done by 'gentleman's agreements' - it should be out the open. That's democracy - stuff done behind closed doors smacks of municipal corruption. Tring
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5:04pm Tue 20 Nov 12

RottingdeanRant says...

Sounds like great news. Anything that stops even more cars clogging up the road on match days is a good thing. Wonder where I can enter my bid for the land?
Sounds like great news. Anything that stops even more cars clogging up the road on match days is a good thing. Wonder where I can enter my bid for the land? RottingdeanRant
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