Badly parked cars still block fire engines in Brighton street (From The Argus)

not surprising really. There's an awful lot of selfish vehicle drivers out there who are quite prepared to put lives at risk just they can park a few feet from their front door.
But hey-ho, let's not worry about that, and concentrate on the cyclists who go through red lights injuring nobody

It's all the fault of the Greens and those nasty cyclists .. if we didn't have so many cycle lanes, especially those awful ones in Hove we wouldn't get problems like this ... BAN CYCLISTS !

Er... what do cyclists have to do with this?

BiggerH wrote:
not surprising really. There's an awful lot of selfish vehicle drivers out there who are quite prepared to put lives at risk just they can park a few feet from their front door.
But hey-ho, let's not worry about that, and concentrate on the cyclists who go through red lights injuring nobody

They have to park somewhere, it's the fault of the road, not the cars here. Where else do they park? As for cyclists going through red lights, why is that suddenly and ok thing to do? I suppose you do that do you? As for the amount of people in Brighton who ride in the dark with no lights on baffles me they must just want to get killed.

Probably same people who drive their 4 by 4s with their spoiled kids in to school.

If you read the comments on these type of articles ... it's always the Greens and cyclist to blame .. .so surely it must be in this case ! ;-)

This has got nothing to do with cyclists and EVERYTHING to do with cars clogging up the road and pavements.

And ''rescueing''. Oh dear Argus, again. .

Hoarder12345444 wrote:

BiggerH wrote: not surprising really. There's an awful lot of selfish vehicle drivers out there who are quite prepared to put lives at risk just they can park a few feet from their front door. But hey-ho, let's not worry about that, and concentrate on the cyclists who go through red lights injuring nobody

They have to park somewhere, it's the fault of the road, not the cars here. Where else do they park? As for cyclists going through red lights, why is that suddenly and ok thing to do? I suppose you do that do you? As for the amount of people in Brighton who ride in the dark with no lights on baffles me they must just want to get killed.

Er, am I missing something? If you move to a house/street which doesn't have space for you to park a car, then you either (a) do without a car or (b) find a carpark you can use somewhere else. The answer is NOT (c) I have a god-given right to park my car where I want, when I want, free of charge, and hang anyone who might suffer loss or injury as a result.

Inconsiderate? Hang on a minute, the Park Crescent area is residential - there are no yellow lines on those roads, of course people are going to park there.

Here's a solution - stop destroying all of Brighton's central car parks (cheapside, the on going renovations to the one on Whitecross street & the rumours of the closure of the college car park opposite) & keep more roads available for free non permit parking - people live in & commute to brighton for work, start catering for them.

Nothing excuses irresponsible parking. Not even short sighted ideology driven Councillors.

Hoarder12345444 wrote:

BiggerH wrote:
not surprising really. There's an awful lot of selfish vehicle drivers out there who are quite prepared to put lives at risk just they can park a few feet from their front door.
But hey-ho, let's not worry about that, and concentrate on the cyclists who go through red lights injuring nobody

They have to park somewhere, it's the fault of the road, not the cars here. Where else do they park? As for cyclists going through red lights, why is that suddenly and ok thing to do? I suppose you do that do you? As for the amount of people in Brighton who ride in the dark with no lights on baffles me they must just want to get killed.

Eh it's the roads fault? The road is as wide as it is, and has been for decades. If a road is too narrow to fit parked cars either side. Then motorists should find somewhere more suitable to park. Your attitude is indicative of the selfish attitude that appears to be prevalent in some motorists. An attitude that, not so long nearly cost a life.

Why not just put bull bars on the fire engine and a sign up saying

"If you park like a tw4t your car may be damaged"

Are there legal implications in doing this?

another 1 wrote:
Inconsiderate? Hang on a minute, the Park Crescent area is residential - there are no yellow lines on those roads, of course people are going to park there.

Here's a solution - stop destroying all of Brighton's central car parks (cheapside, the on going renovations to the one on Whitecross street & the rumours of the closure of the college car park opposite) & keep more roads available for free non permit parking - people live in & commute to brighton for work, start catering for them.

There's two very simple solutions, either double yellow one side of the road or allow the fire engine driver to smash his way through and pass on the repair costs of the fire engine to the people that parked there.

Park crescent's full of shining examles of the infuriating incompetence of a sizeable fraction of british motorists. I've been stuck up there in my skip lorry between a car abandoned at 45 degrees to the kerb and 3 car drivers behind me, equally incapapable of reversing 50 yards to the junction behind us. Hanover's no better either, for all the lentil lunchers there's an awful lot of higgledy piggledy motoring and polluting congestion going on up there, they should take up cycling or something, they might be better at it.
Fire engines should have big bullbars and be allowed to demolish unofficial traffic calming measures. Lives could be at stake. Oh, and traffic wardens could get their backsides round there during the night to get the things moved before morning so the dustcarts can get through,actually do something useful instead of leaving it to the likes of us to bang on doors at 7am and find out which space cadet can't manage to tuck a car sensibly out of the thoroughfare.

Some councils in Germany pay for underground parking space systems. You drive into a space get out of the car and it moves your car into a space in a car lift.

Instead of wasting millions on cycle lanes the council should look at innovative technology that councils abroad are using to solve lack of parking. May people in areas of long permit waits would pay good money to get a space like this. Flats in London routinely use this kind of technology and in Germany apparently it is used by councils too on the street.

Such a scheme could be prioritised in areas with the worst problem and allow residents, commuters and tourists to park for instance under the level.

As for the problems in Park Crescent why don't they just paint yellow lines on one side of the road if bad parking is causing people to almost lose their lives.

Kate234 wrote:
Some councils in Germany pay for underground parking space systems. You drive into a space get out of the car and it moves your car into a space in a car lift.

Instead of wasting millions on cycle lanes the council should look at innovative technology that councils abroad are using to solve lack of parking. May people in areas of long permit waits would pay good money to get a space like this. Flats in London routinely use this kind of technology and in Germany apparently it is used by councils too on the street.

Such a scheme could be prioritised in areas with the worst problem and allow residents, commuters and tourists to park for instance under the level.

As for the problems in Park Crescent why don't they just paint yellow lines on one side of the road if bad parking is causing people to almost lose their lives.

You make a good first point and a poor second.

I had a quick surf and found the Munich Automated Underground Car Park System;

http://www.roadtraff
ic-technology.com/pr
ojects/munich-automa
ted-underground-park
ing/

It does show promise, but it costs £30000-£35000 a space. It might be a goer if you could fill it with cars paying £10-15 per day as you could find finance on that basis. The council would likely not be able to finance it and certainly not with £50million of cuts coming. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Perhaps this system could be part of a high density park and ride? Maybe their might be some government funding available somewhere (the Clarkson grant perhaps!)

However, as for wasted money on cycle lanes; you may not use them, I and others do and more will as a quality network grows, in the same way more people become car owners and drove as the road network improved. You will get the benefit of fewer cars fighting for road and parking space. Don't forget that cities such as Munich long ago invested in underground railways, trams, buses (not privitised generally) and large cycle path networks before continuing to bare down on the burden of the car in the urban environment. That is the path B&H is following.

aat99 wrote:
It's all the fault of the Greens and those nasty cyclists .. if we didn't have so many cycle lanes, especially those awful ones in Hove we wouldn't get problems like this ... BAN CYCLISTS !

nice brainfart you had there - twerp!

We pay for enough parking wardens - let them do something useful for a change - ah, that requires management - Oooops, I detect an oxymoron coming up . . . . .

HJarrs wrote:

Kate234 wrote:
Some councils in Germany pay for underground parking space systems. You drive into a space get out of the car and it moves your car into a space in a car lift.

Instead of wasting millions on cycle lanes the council should look at innovative technology that councils abroad are using to solve lack of parking. May people in areas of long permit waits would pay good money to get a space like this. Flats in London routinely use this kind of technology and in Germany apparently it is used by councils too on the street.

Such a scheme could be prioritised in areas with the worst problem and allow residents, commuters and tourists to park for instance under the level.

As for the problems in Park Crescent why don't they just paint yellow lines on one side of the road if bad parking is causing people to almost lose their lives.

You make a good first point and a poor second.

I had a quick surf and found the Munich Automated Underground Car Park System;

http://www.roadtraff

ic-technology.com/pr

ojects/munich-automa

ted-underground-park

ing/

It does show promise, but it costs £30000-£35000 a space. It might be a goer if you could fill it with cars paying £10-15 per day as you could find finance on that basis. The council would likely not be able to finance it and certainly not with £50million of cuts coming. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Perhaps this system could be part of a high density park and ride? Maybe their might be some government funding available somewhere (the Clarkson grant perhaps!)

However, as for wasted money on cycle lanes; you may not use them, I and others do and more will as a quality network grows, in the same way more people become car owners and drove as the road network improved. You will get the benefit of fewer cars fighting for road and parking space. Don't forget that cities such as Munich long ago invested in underground railways, trams, buses (not privitised generally) and large cycle path networks before continuing to bare down on the burden of the car in the urban environment. That is the path B&H is following.

Apologies for taking so long to respond, however been rolling round the floor laughing at good old Hjarrs and in particular this comment.

Symptomatic of the green parties very own 'village idiot'!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Kate234 wrote:
Some councils in Germany pay for underground parking space systems. You drive into a space get out of the car and it moves your car into a space in a car lift.

Instead of wasting millions on cycle lanes the council should look at innovative technology that councils abroad are using to solve lack of parking. May people in areas of long permit waits would pay good money to get a space like this. Flats in London routinely use this kind of technology and in Germany apparently it is used by councils too on the street.

Such a scheme could be prioritised in areas with the worst problem and allow residents, commuters and tourists to park for instance under the level.

As for the problems in Park Crescent why don't they just paint yellow lines on one side of the road if bad parking is causing people to almost lose their lives.

You make a good first point and a poor second.

I had a quick surf and found the Munich Automated Underground Car Park System;

http://www.roadtraff


ic-technology.com/pr


ojects/munich-automa


ted-underground-park


ing/

It does show promise, but it costs £30000-£35000 a space. It might be a goer if you could fill it with cars paying £10-15 per day as you could find finance on that basis. The council would likely not be able to finance it and certainly not with £50million of cuts coming. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Perhaps this system could be part of a high density park and ride? Maybe their might be some government funding available somewhere (the Clarkson grant perhaps!)

However, as for wasted money on cycle lanes; you may not use them, I and others do and more will as a quality network grows, in the same way more people become car owners and drove as the road network improved. You will get the benefit of fewer cars fighting for road and parking space. Don't forget that cities such as Munich long ago invested in underground railways, trams, buses (not privitised generally) and large cycle path networks before continuing to bare down on the burden of the car in the urban environment. That is the path B&H is following.

Apologies for taking so long to respond, however been rolling round the floor laughing at good old Hjarrs and in particular this comment.

Symptomatic of the green parties very own 'village idiot'!

As usual you say nothing. How about a few pearls of you wisdom oh great one? I happen to think that Kate234 had an intersting idea, I am sorry you have a problem with that.

night night

Looks like the area is being groomed for permit parking - the same happened in the zone J extension. It all started with articles like this; two years and a couple of sham consultations later you'll be paying to park. Still, gives you time to save up:D

The law re: parking on pavements could do with tidying up:
http://pedestrianlib
eration.org/2010/08/
30/are-vehicles-allo
wed-to-park-on-the-p
avement/

The fact is its an offence to obstruct a public highway, but unfortunately this isnt enforced. Whether there are yellows or not makes no didfference. If by parking you are obstructing the highway (and stopping an emergency vehicle getting through must be an obstruction) then the parkers are in the werong and should be dealt with. But nobody in authority has the balls to do it.

Have the council installed £5 smoke alarms in the other council flats in the block yet?
Did the council move the 12 vehicles parked in the cycle lane this morning just a stone's throw from Park Crescent on the Lewes Road?
No.
Do you know why?
If you watch the wardens, they never, ever move anyone on who is parked up on double yellows or is parked illegally.
They sit and wait for the tickets to expire on cars parked in legal bays around the city.
Watch the wardens and see it for yourself.

have u all forgotten the point of the story?? there is someone fighting for their life in hospital coz of some idiot who blocked the road!! someone's mother,sister, grandmother etc! how would you feel if that was your mother or grandmother? I'm pretty sure you would have done whatever it took to move the idiots car who was blocking the road! I hope the person/people involved make a full recovery & the people who block roads I hope their car was damaged quite a lot!

A smoke alarm would have saved this poor lady.
Ask why the council had not installed one.
Smoke kills within minutes often before a fire is even noticed by anyone to even call the fire service which is why the fire service promotes their use.
Please put a smoke alarm on your Christmas list and change the batteries every new year. I do.
I was in a house fire in Preston Park a few years ago and the smoke was horrific and toxic from sofas and it filled the house well before the fire guys arrived.
We would have been killed had the smoke alarms not gone off.
£10 for a pack of two saved four of us.

A smoke alarm may or may not have ... that is neither here nor there though is it. The fire had started and the fire-brigade had to attend and were delayed because of inconsiderate parking.
I truly hope someone took a note of all the registration numbers.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Have the council installed £5 smoke alarms in the other council flats in the block yet?
Did the council move the 12 vehicles parked in the cycle lane this morning just a stone's throw from Park Crescent on the Lewes Road?
No.
Do you know why?
If you watch the wardens, they never, ever move anyone on who is parked up on double yellows or is parked illegally.
They sit and wait for the tickets to expire on cars parked in legal bays around the city.
Watch the wardens and see it for yourself.

You're completely right. You see them wandering up and down my permit parking road, and yet there are cars on double yellow lines at the end of it causing a real danger to people trying to emerge out of it.

HJarrs wrote:

Kate234 wrote:
Some councils in Germany pay for underground parking space systems. You drive into a space get out of the car and it moves your car into a space in a car lift.

Instead of wasting millions on cycle lanes the council should look at innovative technology that councils abroad are using to solve lack of parking. May people in areas of long permit waits would pay good money to get a space like this. Flats in London routinely use this kind of technology and in Germany apparently it is used by councils too on the street.

Such a scheme could be prioritised in areas with the worst problem and allow residents, commuters and tourists to park for instance under the level.

As for the problems in Park Crescent why don't they just paint yellow lines on one side of the road if bad parking is causing people to almost lose their lives.

You make a good first point and a poor second.

I had a quick surf and found the Munich Automated Underground Car Park System;

http://www.roadtraff

ic-technology.com/pr

ojects/munich-automa

ted-underground-park

ing/

It does show promise, but it costs £30000-£35000 a space. It might be a goer if you could fill it with cars paying £10-15 per day as you could find finance on that basis. The council would likely not be able to finance it and certainly not with £50million of cuts coming. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Perhaps this system could be part of a high density park and ride? Maybe their might be some government funding available somewhere (the Clarkson grant perhaps!)

However, as for wasted money on cycle lanes; you may not use them, I and others do and more will as a quality network grows, in the same way more people become car owners and drove as the road network improved. You will get the benefit of fewer cars fighting for road and parking space. Don't forget that cities such as Munich long ago invested in underground railways, trams, buses (not privitised generally) and large cycle path networks before continuing to bare down on the burden of the car in the urban environment. That is the path B&H is following.

Churchill square car park charges £25 a day for parking. A car park under the level would level I'm sure could get £10-£15 a day and the spaces could be rented to hotels for tourists. A 300 space car park under the level which would be virtually invisible to enter (you just park in a space get out of the car). It is not ugly like the entrances to Russell Square or the facades that above ground car parks require so it would not negatively affect people close by.

The machinery is underground and your car is automatically lowered and parked without you in it would reduce the need for people to drive into the city centre and reduce congestion.

It would also help the London Road area as people would be walking back to their cars and have somewhere to park near here and the section of London could be redesigned long term to entice people from this area to London road too. It could be financed in the interim by putting pay and display spaces on all centrally located bus lanes for the council part with private finance topping it up. The land I am assuming is owned by the council so this may reduce the cost.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Have the council installed £5 smoke alarms in the other council flats in the block yet? Did the council move the 12 vehicles parked in the cycle lane this morning just a stone's throw from Park Crescent on the Lewes Road? No. Do you know why? If you watch the wardens, they never, ever move anyone on who is parked up on double yellows or is parked illegally. They sit and wait for the tickets to expire on cars parked in legal bays around the city. Watch the wardens and see it for yourself.

Haha, your posts are 'gold', Maxwell.

qm wrote:

aat99 wrote:
It's all the fault of the Greens and those nasty cyclists .. if we didn't have so many cycle lanes, especially those awful ones in Hove we wouldn't get problems like this ... BAN CYCLISTS !

nice brainfart you had there - twerp!

QM - you are a bit slow aren't u .... don't you get sarcasm :-)

Quite obviously not to the same urgency as a firetruck i experience this everyday at work.
i drive a van and so often i have to pass cars within mm's to avoid damaging vehicles, its almost as if they want their cars to be damaged!

Some sensible points made above, but some risible ones too. You cannot blame the Greens or cyclists for everything, it may be tempting though!

The cause is there are simply too many cars on the road. Do not understand the love affair British people have with the motor car.

Peter58 wrote:
Some sensible points made above, but some risible ones too. You cannot blame the Greens or cyclists for everything, it may be tempting though!

The cause is there are simply too many cars on the road. Do not understand the love affair British people have with the motor car.

i thinks it's called freedom,to get in the old jam jam and escape.

Hoarder12345444 wrote:

BiggerH wrote:
not surprising really. There's an awful lot of selfish vehicle drivers out there who are quite prepared to put lives at risk just they can park a few feet from their front door.
But hey-ho, let's not worry about that, and concentrate on the cyclists who go through red lights injuring nobody

They have to park somewhere, it's the fault of the road, not the cars here. Where else do they park? As for cyclists going through red lights, why is that suddenly and ok thing to do? I suppose you do that do you? As for the amount of people in Brighton who ride in the dark with no lights on baffles me they must just want to get killed.

"They have to park somewhere"??? Given the number of 4,5,6,7 seater cars I see in Brighton with just one person in them doing short journeys in the centre of our City, this isn't really a case of "have to", but lazyness!

the only problem with knocking them out of the way is that you then take a fire engine off the road to be repaired. yellow lines would be no help either, as residents, (the selfish ones) will just ignore them, and as some else said, wardens ignore these idiots. maybe it will take a few clamps to make people realise how ignorant they are being. just immobilise a few badly parked cars, and when they phone the police, tell the owners it has been done because they are causing a potential life-threatening situation.

Those pictures are of Park Crescent, not Park Crescent Road.
Please can we have some reporters who live in Brighton, rather than Hampshire?

ruberducker wrote:

Peter58 wrote:
Some sensible points made above, but some risible ones too. You cannot blame the Greens or cyclists for everything, it may be tempting though!

The cause is there are simply too many cars on the road. Do not understand the love affair British people have with the motor car.

i thinks it's called freedom,to get in the old jam jam and escape.

er... no, you need a motorbike to escape. All you'll ever do in a car is join another queue. Pay to park it, pay to move it (if you can) and generally get rinsed all round for being a mug.

ruberducker wrote:

Peter58 wrote:
Some sensible points made above, but some risible ones too. You cannot blame the Greens or cyclists for everything, it may be tempting though!

The cause is there are simply too many cars on the road. Do not understand the love affair British people have with the motor car.

i thinks it's called freedom,to get in the old jam jam and escape.

er... no, you need a motorbike to escape. All you'll ever do in a car is join another queue. Pay to park it, pay to move it (if you can) and generally get rinsed all round for being a mug.