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March through Brighton's 'no go' areas

The Argus: People gather outside Brighton Station for the Reclaim the Night protest People gather outside Brighton Station for the Reclaim the Night protest

Hundreds of people marched through Brighton in the dark to reclaim the city’s streets.

Coordinated by the Brighton Feminist Collective, set up at the end of last year, the march was prompted by the “prevalence of street harassment and sexual assaults in Brighton and Hove”.

On Saturday evening (November 17) about 500 people walked through some of the city’s ‘no-go areas’ after dark, including West Street, along the seafront and down St James’ Street.

A spokeswoman said: “Too often we are denied the right to walk through the streets without fear of harassment or assault, especially at night.

“It’s rare to be able to walk down West Street without being cat-called.

“Figures show that street harassment, especially towards women, is a real problem in the city.”

The march was not just open to women, with other groups who have recently become victims on the city’s streets also invited to join, such as the homeless.

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8:14pm Mon 19 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

Well done!
Well done! mimseycal
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8:32pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Rocco10 says...

Good on them. Hopefully it will draw more attention to the issue.
Good on them. Hopefully it will draw more attention to the issue. Rocco10
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9:00pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Dandyli0n says...

Good job. It's shocking to think that in the 21st century, we still can't feel safe walking down the street at night because of harassment. People need to be aware how prevalent this is.
Good job. It's shocking to think that in the 21st century, we still can't feel safe walking down the street at night because of harassment. People need to be aware how prevalent this is. Dandyli0n
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9:01pm Mon 19 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

Good idea. Was Dukes Mound included too?
Good idea. Was Dukes Mound included too? AmboGuy
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9:17pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Lrobinson27 says...

One thing that struck me on the night was that although the majority of people who we walked passed were really supportive at two different sections of the march groups of men decided that the appropriate response was to expose their naked bodies to us. Not sure if they realised how well wobbling their bits made our point for us.
One thing that struck me on the night was that although the majority of people who we walked passed were really supportive at two different sections of the march groups of men decided that the appropriate response was to expose their naked bodies to us. Not sure if they realised how well wobbling their bits made our point for us. Lrobinson27
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9:20pm Mon 19 Nov 12

On_the_Level says...

Great idea - a real life vigilante mob; when is the next one?
Great idea - a real life vigilante mob; when is the next one? On_the_Level
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9:21pm Mon 19 Nov 12

rhcp50 says...

Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.) rhcp50
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9:24pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Morpheus says...

What does it change? 500 people are not going to be harassed.
What does it change? 500 people are not going to be harassed. Morpheus
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9:25pm Mon 19 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

They probably suffer from genetic congenital hypothyroidism.
They probably suffer from genetic congenital hypothyroidism. mimseycal
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9:51pm Mon 19 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

Oops ... that was meant to refer to the groups of men who decided that the appropriate response was to expose their naked bodies to the marchers.
Oops ... that was meant to refer to the groups of men who decided that the appropriate response was to expose their naked bodies to the marchers. mimseycal
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10:18pm Mon 19 Nov 12

mark by the sea says...

More nonsense by teachers deciding 'women's issues' what about the dozen or more men who get beaten up for being gay, drunk, or simply in the wrong place... They mention they have evidence of harassment ? What are these figure? And who collated them?
More nonsense by teachers deciding 'women's issues' what about the dozen or more men who get beaten up for being gay, drunk, or simply in the wrong place... They mention they have evidence of harassment ? What are these figure? And who collated them? mark by the sea
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10:21pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I would like to protest about the female students who make our street a no go area for working families and children with their screaming, drunkeness and selfish all night partying and who tell us to **** off when we politely ask them to turn the noise down.
I cannot say if any of the women involved in this march are any of the young women in my community who make our street a no go area, but perhaps these nice ladies would like to reclaim our street for local people and have a word with their fellow students who sadly sometimes harass us local people.
Thank you ladies. It would be nice for some help.
I would like to protest about the female students who make our street a no go area for working families and children with their screaming, drunkeness and selfish all night partying and who tell us to **** off when we politely ask them to turn the noise down. I cannot say if any of the women involved in this march are any of the young women in my community who make our street a no go area, but perhaps these nice ladies would like to reclaim our street for local people and have a word with their fellow students who sadly sometimes harass us local people. Thank you ladies. It would be nice for some help. Maxwell's Ghost
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10:48pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Frellan says...

rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest?

It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough.

The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
[quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe. Frellan
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11:19pm Mon 19 Nov 12

ARealBessie says...

Frellan wrote:
rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest?

It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough.

The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.
[quote][p][bold]Frellan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.[/p][/quote]Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time. ARealBessie
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7:50am Tue 20 Nov 12

rubberflipper says...

A cull is definitely needed in these areas of B&H to rid the city of the filth that prowl the streets.
A cull is definitely needed in these areas of B&H to rid the city of the filth that prowl the streets. rubberflipper
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8:00am Tue 20 Nov 12

george smith says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I would like to protest about the female students who make our street a no go area for working families and children with their screaming, drunkeness and selfish all night partying and who tell us to **** off when we politely ask them to turn the noise down. I cannot say if any of the women involved in this march are any of the young women in my community who make our street a no go area, but perhaps these nice ladies would like to reclaim our street for local people and have a word with their fellow students who sadly sometimes harass us local people. Thank you ladies. It would be nice for some help.
Their dippy parents will probably tell you it is a rite of passage and they will graduate, move away and become pillars of society. Mean while the next lot of dippy parents offspring will move in
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I would like to protest about the female students who make our street a no go area for working families and children with their screaming, drunkeness and selfish all night partying and who tell us to **** off when we politely ask them to turn the noise down. I cannot say if any of the women involved in this march are any of the young women in my community who make our street a no go area, but perhaps these nice ladies would like to reclaim our street for local people and have a word with their fellow students who sadly sometimes harass us local people. Thank you ladies. It would be nice for some help.[/p][/quote]Their dippy parents will probably tell you it is a rite of passage and they will graduate, move away and become pillars of society. Mean while the next lot of dippy parents offspring will move in george smith
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8:20am Tue 20 Nov 12

Frellan says...

ARealBessie wrote:
Frellan wrote:
rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest?

It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough.

The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.
That might be true in some cases! However, considering all the horror stories you hear about women being raped and assulted, I think it's quite natural to be on your guard when a group of (most often drunk) men yell at you.

But most often their 'friendly' comments are sexual. And frankly, young guys or middle aged men doesn't need to comment on my appearance at all.

I'm not saying that ALL men do it, nor that all men are evil or something like that! But what happens when the 'friendly people' doesn't just want to be friendly?
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frellan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.[/p][/quote]Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.[/p][/quote]That might be true in some cases! However, considering all the horror stories you hear about women being raped and assulted, I think it's quite natural to be on your guard when a group of (most often drunk) men yell at you. But most often their 'friendly' comments are sexual. And frankly, young guys or middle aged men doesn't need to comment on my appearance at all. I'm not saying that ALL men do it, nor that all men are evil or something like that! But what happens when the 'friendly people' doesn't just want to be friendly? Frellan
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8:28am Tue 20 Nov 12

bluemonday says...

maybe it would be better if the police actually got out of there cars and started patrolling these streets,then people could really reclaim them back for the decent citizens.
maybe it would be better if the police actually got out of there cars and started patrolling these streets,then people could really reclaim them back for the decent citizens. bluemonday
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8:34am Tue 20 Nov 12

9 of us says...

Students in Brighton should know better as to how to conduct themselves and pause to think about the effects their behaviour has on local people.
On the other hand, it is these very students who contribute £500m to the City each year which needless to say is essential for the local economy.
You can argue this either way and people will always have varying opinions.
Students in Brighton should know better as to how to conduct themselves and pause to think about the effects their behaviour has on local people. On the other hand, it is these very students who contribute £500m to the City each year which needless to say is essential for the local economy. You can argue this either way and people will always have varying opinions. 9 of us
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8:56am Tue 20 Nov 12

bogs says...

Since when has West Street been a 'No Go' area? It's packed with people all the time, especially weekends.
Why didn't you walk along Newick Road, now that would be brave!
Since when has West Street been a 'No Go' area? It's packed with people all the time, especially weekends. Why didn't you walk along Newick Road, now that would be brave! bogs
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9:34am Tue 20 Nov 12

DC Brighton says...

Another Saturday, another march.....
It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now.

However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true.

We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.
Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this. DC Brighton
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10:00am Tue 20 Nov 12

brightonbatfink says...

DC Brighton wrote:
Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.
I struggle a little with your comment. As someone who has dealt with assault, and dealth the the array of guilt and feelings about this become coming out the other side... taking a cab home is not the answer. It is never the victims fault that this happened. I know that isn't what you meant by your comment at all, but its just that small comments like this almost do say...well if you choose to walk home alone then this could happen. I refuse to let what happened to me change my behaviour as I was not at fault - the attacker was.
[quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.[/p][/quote]I struggle a little with your comment. As someone who has dealt with assault, and dealth the the array of guilt and feelings about this become coming out the other side... taking a cab home is not the answer. It is never the victims fault that this happened. I know that isn't what you meant by your comment at all, but its just that small comments like this almost do say...well if you choose to walk home alone then this could happen. I refuse to let what happened to me change my behaviour as I was not at fault - the attacker was. brightonbatfink
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10:15am Tue 20 Nov 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
I agree, it's not really that bad. Why is West Street a no go area? Its full of police on the weekend and dead during the weekdays, apart from a few students. What it is suddenly a no go area because of a few drunken fights?
[quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]I agree, it's not really that bad. Why is West Street a no go area? Its full of police on the weekend and dead during the weekdays, apart from a few students. What it is suddenly a no go area because of a few drunken fights? Hoarder12345444
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10:41am Tue 20 Nov 12

oh dear says...

brightonbatfink wrote:
DC Brighton wrote:
Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.
I struggle a little with your comment. As someone who has dealt with assault, and dealth the the array of guilt and feelings about this become coming out the other side... taking a cab home is not the answer. It is never the victims fault that this happened. I know that isn't what you meant by your comment at all, but its just that small comments like this almost do say...well if you choose to walk home alone then this could happen. I refuse to let what happened to me change my behaviour as I was not at fault - the attacker was.
Quite; I'm absolutely sick to death of the 'don't be raped', rather than 'don't rape' message that is still perpetuated. The comments on this article leave a lot to be desired and show a high degree of ignorance and under-estimation of the prevalence of sexual violence and the impact of it on a person's life. (its also fairly terrifying to think these people could easily be called to a jury on such a case and bring this ignorance to that scenario).
-And why should we expect to be subjected to comments about our appearance or what someone would like to do to us, while walking down the road? I'm sick of that too. It isn't a compliment and never makes me feel good in any way whatsoever; it is objectifying and gross!
[quote][p][bold]brightonbatfink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.[/p][/quote]I struggle a little with your comment. As someone who has dealt with assault, and dealth the the array of guilt and feelings about this become coming out the other side... taking a cab home is not the answer. It is never the victims fault that this happened. I know that isn't what you meant by your comment at all, but its just that small comments like this almost do say...well if you choose to walk home alone then this could happen. I refuse to let what happened to me change my behaviour as I was not at fault - the attacker was.[/p][/quote]Quite; I'm absolutely sick to death of the 'don't be raped', rather than 'don't rape' message that is still perpetuated. The comments on this article leave a lot to be desired and show a high degree of ignorance and under-estimation of the prevalence of sexual violence and the impact of it on a person's life. (its also fairly terrifying to think these people could easily be called to a jury on such a case and bring this ignorance to that scenario). -And why should we expect to be subjected to comments about our appearance or what someone would like to do to us, while walking down the road? I'm sick of that too. It isn't a compliment and never makes me feel good in any way whatsoever; it is objectifying and gross! oh dear
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10:47am Tue 20 Nov 12

shining star says...

There should be a march through Brighton to "Reclaim the pavements from dogs mess" ! Its becoming an assault course around Brighton to avoid this disgusting mess.
There should be a march through Brighton to "Reclaim the pavements from dogs mess" ! Its becoming an assault course around Brighton to avoid this disgusting mess. shining star
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11:41am Tue 20 Nov 12

brightonbatfink says...

oh dear wrote:
brightonbatfink wrote:
DC Brighton wrote: Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.
I struggle a little with your comment. As someone who has dealt with assault, and dealth the the array of guilt and feelings about this become coming out the other side... taking a cab home is not the answer. It is never the victims fault that this happened. I know that isn't what you meant by your comment at all, but its just that small comments like this almost do say...well if you choose to walk home alone then this could happen. I refuse to let what happened to me change my behaviour as I was not at fault - the attacker was.
Quite; I'm absolutely sick to death of the 'don't be raped', rather than 'don't rape' message that is still perpetuated. The comments on this article leave a lot to be desired and show a high degree of ignorance and under-estimation of the prevalence of sexual violence and the impact of it on a person's life. (its also fairly terrifying to think these people could easily be called to a jury on such a case and bring this ignorance to that scenario). -And why should we expect to be subjected to comments about our appearance or what someone would like to do to us, while walking down the road? I'm sick of that too. It isn't a compliment and never makes me feel good in any way whatsoever; it is objectifying and gross!
Thank you for understanding my post despite the numerous typos!

For those that have commented that people should be happy about the 'positive' comments directed at them....it isn't about what's said it is about the way it makes that individual feel, and there is no question that a lot of women feel threatened, whether or not that was the intention of the comment, that is how it is taken. The person making the comment needs to understand this.

Myself and others have been accused of being too 'sensitive' by my own friends when challenging friends who have make some kind of jokey related sexual remark regarding assult, my personal ravourite while watching sport and people decribed the losing team as being 'raped' by the winners.

People who express comments about what women are wearing/should have got a taxi etc etc and do so jokingly or seriously should consider the story of some individuals.

One school girl accepted a lift from a male friend - she got in the car willingly. She was raped by him and his friend. Twice. They threatened to hurt her family if she told anyone. Several months later she was found to be suffering from a STD. Only then did she explain what had happened. The after affects included: treatment for STD, loss of any sexual pleasure and pain every time she tried, nighmares, intrusive thoughts of the attack during day to day work and divorce. Sexual assualt whether directed at men or women, and committed by men or women, attacks the very part of you that makes you male or female, and the after affects of that are long-lived.

No one, should make anyone feel in any way threatened. People must acknowledge that shouted remarks and comments can do this whether they mean it or not. Joking that this is ok just validates the people that do it and mean it as a threat, and like to make people feel threatened.

If people want to walk the streets to hightlight this issue let them, and let them do it without your negative comments about whether it makes a difference or ignoring it and talking about students or dog mess. If you have issues with this, you march for it.

I'm not good at putting points across as you can see from my rambled message, but its all there somewhere.

I hold no anger towards 'men' in general, why would I most people are good people. I hold anger only towards individuals who do wrong things. I also contribute to charities that offer therapy to sexual offenders. I believe it is the only way to help individuals change.
[quote][p][bold]oh dear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonbatfink[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Brighton[/bold] wrote: Another Saturday, another march..... It's a shame - there are so marches here I tend to ignore them all now. However, I appreciate the sentiment of this one but, unfortunately, if you stroll around at night on your own you are at at risk pretty much anywhere these days. It saddens me to say it about Brighton, but it's true. We received a door-to-door from the police only yesterday about a woman attacked after a night out at 3:30am on Dyke Road. This is awful, and isn't the first in the area recently. I feel terrible for the lady involved but let's learn from this and take cabs - marches, unfortunately, won't solve this.[/p][/quote]I struggle a little with your comment. As someone who has dealt with assault, and dealth the the array of guilt and feelings about this become coming out the other side... taking a cab home is not the answer. It is never the victims fault that this happened. I know that isn't what you meant by your comment at all, but its just that small comments like this almost do say...well if you choose to walk home alone then this could happen. I refuse to let what happened to me change my behaviour as I was not at fault - the attacker was.[/p][/quote]Quite; I'm absolutely sick to death of the 'don't be raped', rather than 'don't rape' message that is still perpetuated. The comments on this article leave a lot to be desired and show a high degree of ignorance and under-estimation of the prevalence of sexual violence and the impact of it on a person's life. (its also fairly terrifying to think these people could easily be called to a jury on such a case and bring this ignorance to that scenario). -And why should we expect to be subjected to comments about our appearance or what someone would like to do to us, while walking down the road? I'm sick of that too. It isn't a compliment and never makes me feel good in any way whatsoever; it is objectifying and gross![/p][/quote]Thank you for understanding my post despite the numerous typos! For those that have commented that people should be happy about the 'positive' comments directed at them....it isn't about what's said it is about the way it makes that individual feel, and there is no question that a lot of women feel threatened, whether or not that was the intention of the comment, that is how it is taken. The person making the comment needs to understand this. Myself and others have been accused of being too 'sensitive' by my own friends when challenging friends who have make some kind of jokey related sexual remark regarding assult, my personal ravourite while watching sport and people decribed the losing team as being 'raped' by the winners. People who express comments about what women are wearing/should have got a taxi etc etc and do so jokingly or seriously should consider the story of some individuals. One school girl accepted a lift from a male friend - she got in the car willingly. She was raped by him and his friend. Twice. They threatened to hurt her family if she told anyone. Several months later she was found to be suffering from a STD. Only then did she explain what had happened. The after affects included: treatment for STD, loss of any sexual pleasure and pain every time she tried, nighmares, intrusive thoughts of the attack during day to day work and divorce. Sexual assualt whether directed at men or women, and committed by men or women, attacks the very part of you that makes you male or female, and the after affects of that are long-lived. No one, should make anyone feel in any way threatened. People must acknowledge that shouted remarks and comments can do this whether they mean it or not. Joking that this is ok just validates the people that do it and mean it as a threat, and like to make people feel threatened. If people want to walk the streets to hightlight this issue let them, and let them do it without your negative comments about whether it makes a difference or ignoring it and talking about students or dog mess. If you have issues with this, you march for it. I'm not good at putting points across as you can see from my rambled message, but its all there somewhere. I hold no anger towards 'men' in general, why would I most people are good people. I hold anger only towards individuals who do wrong things. I also contribute to charities that offer therapy to sexual offenders. I believe it is the only way to help individuals change. brightonbatfink
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1:03pm Tue 20 Nov 12

olebut says...

I used to walk home from , usually the centre of, Brighton to Hangleton almost every weekend , as of course there were no night buses and gigs at Colleges etc ended at midnight, ( pubs closed at the latest 11.00) then a coffee and chip butty in The Cottage before walking home. I would hardly see anyone except a few doing the same as me. No Go areas were unheard of in those days. If I were closer I would join any future march I think it is diabolical that people can not walk safely in the street at any time, so much for profess.
I used to walk home from , usually the centre of, Brighton to Hangleton almost every weekend , as of course there were no night buses and gigs at Colleges etc ended at midnight, ( pubs closed at the latest 11.00) then a coffee and chip butty in The Cottage before walking home. I would hardly see anyone except a few doing the same as me. No Go areas were unheard of in those days. If I were closer I would join any future march I think it is diabolical that people can not walk safely in the street at any time, so much for profess. olebut
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2:25pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Gloria Brown says...

ARealBessie wrote:
Frellan wrote:
rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest?

It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough.

The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.
Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate.
Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable.
I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.
[quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frellan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.[/p][/quote]Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.[/p][/quote]Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate. Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable. I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less. Gloria Brown
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3:21pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Farouche says...

Gloria Brown wrote:
ARealBessie wrote:
Frellan wrote:
rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest?

It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough.

The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.
Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate.
Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable.
I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.
Don't worry Gloria, I have no doubt whatsoever, that you are probably not an "object or desire" as you put it.

I tend to find it's only women who never get commented on that resort to being militant and who then persuade themselves that any spontaneous male attention other women get is tantamount to harrassment...
[quote][p][bold]Gloria Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frellan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.[/p][/quote]Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.[/p][/quote]Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate. Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable. I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Gloria, I have no doubt whatsoever, that you are probably not an "object or desire" as you put it. I tend to find it's only women who never get commented on that resort to being militant and who then persuade themselves that any spontaneous male attention other women get is tantamount to harrassment... Farouche
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4:18pm Tue 20 Nov 12

brightonbatfink says...

Farouche wrote:
Gloria Brown wrote:
ARealBessie wrote:
Frellan wrote:
rhcp50 wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.
Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate. Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable. I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.
Don't worry Gloria, I have no doubt whatsoever, that you are probably not an "object or desire" as you put it. I tend to find it's only women who never get commented on that resort to being militant and who then persuade themselves that any spontaneous male attention other women get is tantamount to harrassment...
The comments above indicate this isn't true as a number of women have said that they feel threatened by this behaviour personally after it has happened.

No one should be afraid of complementing others and trying to chat if they want to, but the timing of it is the key here. If you think your appoach could be perceived as a threat - don't do it. It's simple. Try and chat someone up in a pub or something when there are others around/thier friends are close by, when they feel safe. Shouting random comments at a girl/woman on her own walking down the street at night or in an isolated place can make them feel threatened. It is clear that lots of people feel this way.

It really is quite a basic thing to understand.
[quote][p][bold]Farouche[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gloria Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frellan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.[/p][/quote]Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.[/p][/quote]Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate. Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable. I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Gloria, I have no doubt whatsoever, that you are probably not an "object or desire" as you put it. I tend to find it's only women who never get commented on that resort to being militant and who then persuade themselves that any spontaneous male attention other women get is tantamount to harrassment...[/p][/quote]The comments above indicate this isn't true as a number of women have said that they feel threatened by this behaviour personally after it has happened. No one should be afraid of complementing others and trying to chat if they want to, but the timing of it is the key here. If you think your appoach could be perceived as a threat - don't do it. It's simple. Try and chat someone up in a pub or something when there are others around/thier friends are close by, when they feel safe. Shouting random comments at a girl/woman on her own walking down the street at night or in an isolated place can make them feel threatened. It is clear that lots of people feel this way. It really is quite a basic thing to understand. brightonbatfink
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4:53pm Tue 20 Nov 12

oh dear says...

"trolling" or making jokes on matters to do with sexual assault or sexual harassment really is pretty low and cruel. Knowing the figures on sexual assault, it is likely that a large percentage of people reading this will have been directly affected by these issues (although may never speak out about it) and that people you know and care about also will, although you will never hear about it. It is a hugely under-reported crime for many reasons with attitudes like this being one; I wouldn't be proud to be contributing to that.
"trolling" or making jokes on matters to do with sexual assault or sexual harassment really is pretty low and cruel. Knowing the figures on sexual assault, it is likely that a large percentage of people reading this will have been directly affected by these issues (although may never speak out about it) and that people you know and care about also will, although you will never hear about it. It is a hugely under-reported crime for many reasons with attitudes like this being one; I wouldn't be proud to be contributing to that. oh dear
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6:09pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I like the way that the student supporter on here posts that students bring money into the city....so are you suggesting that they should be allowed to make merry hell?
Does paying for food, booze, student fees give someone the right to ignore the law and the community?
Give it a rest, we local people also pay tax, and run businesses, run services etc but we don't expect to be able to stick our fingers up at our fellow residents.
Your comment explains why local people have little time for students.
I like the way that the student supporter on here posts that students bring money into the city....so are you suggesting that they should be allowed to make merry hell? Does paying for food, booze, student fees give someone the right to ignore the law and the community? Give it a rest, we local people also pay tax, and run businesses, run services etc but we don't expect to be able to stick our fingers up at our fellow residents. Your comment explains why local people have little time for students. Maxwell's Ghost
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7:08pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

bluemonday wrote:
maybe it would be better if the police actually got out of there cars and started patrolling these streets,then people could really reclaim them back for the decent citizens.
Thats right my friend.It took 15 of them just three mins to get to Saltdean for a guy shouting out the window.But ask them to keep women safe on the city streets,sort out st,james street,West road in Hove.Or deal with the large drug problem the Argus prints about almost everyday."NOT A CHANCE".
[quote][p][bold]bluemonday[/bold] wrote: maybe it would be better if the police actually got out of there cars and started patrolling these streets,then people could really reclaim them back for the decent citizens.[/p][/quote]Thats right my friend.It took 15 of them just three mins to get to Saltdean for a guy shouting out the window.But ask them to keep women safe on the city streets,sort out st,james street,West road in Hove.Or deal with the large drug problem the Argus prints about almost everyday."NOT A CHANCE". Freeloaders
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7:24pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Surely not! says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I like the way that the student supporter on here posts that students bring money into the city....so are you suggesting that they should be allowed to make merry hell?
Does paying for food, booze, student fees give someone the right to ignore the law and the community?
Give it a rest, we local people also pay tax, and run businesses, run services etc but we don't expect to be able to stick our fingers up at our fellow residents.
Your comment explains why local people have little time for students.
I love the way you hijack every story to purue your own little agenda. Why don't you sell up and move? I think I would if I lived somewhere with neighbours I couldn't abide, with no transport links...
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I like the way that the student supporter on here posts that students bring money into the city....so are you suggesting that they should be allowed to make merry hell? Does paying for food, booze, student fees give someone the right to ignore the law and the community? Give it a rest, we local people also pay tax, and run businesses, run services etc but we don't expect to be able to stick our fingers up at our fellow residents. Your comment explains why local people have little time for students.[/p][/quote]I love the way you hijack every story to purue your own little agenda. Why don't you sell up and move? I think I would if I lived somewhere with neighbours I couldn't abide, with no transport links... Surely not!
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7:25pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Surely not! says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I like the way that the student supporter on here posts that students bring money into the city....so are you suggesting that they should be allowed to make merry hell?
Does paying for food, booze, student fees give someone the right to ignore the law and the community?
Give it a rest, we local people also pay tax, and run businesses, run services etc but we don't expect to be able to stick our fingers up at our fellow residents.
Your comment explains why local people have little time for students.
I love the way you hijack every story to pursue your own little agenda. Why don't you sell up and move? I think I would if I lived somewhere with neighbours I couldn't abide, with no transport links...
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I like the way that the student supporter on here posts that students bring money into the city....so are you suggesting that they should be allowed to make merry hell? Does paying for food, booze, student fees give someone the right to ignore the law and the community? Give it a rest, we local people also pay tax, and run businesses, run services etc but we don't expect to be able to stick our fingers up at our fellow residents. Your comment explains why local people have little time for students.[/p][/quote]I love the way you hijack every story to pursue your own little agenda. Why don't you sell up and move? I think I would if I lived somewhere with neighbours I couldn't abide, with no transport links... Surely not!
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9:54pm Tue 20 Nov 12

brightonbatfink says...

oh dear wrote:
"trolling" or making jokes on matters to do with sexual assault or sexual harassment really is pretty low and cruel. Knowing the figures on sexual assault, it is likely that a large percentage of people reading this will have been directly affected by these issues (although may never speak out about it) and that people you know and care about also will, although you will never hear about it. It is a hugely under-reported crime for many reasons with attitudes like this being one; I wouldn't be proud to be contributing to that.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]oh dear[/bold] wrote: "trolling" or making jokes on matters to do with sexual assault or sexual harassment really is pretty low and cruel. Knowing the figures on sexual assault, it is likely that a large percentage of people reading this will have been directly affected by these issues (although may never speak out about it) and that people you know and care about also will, although you will never hear about it. It is a hugely under-reported crime for many reasons with attitudes like this being one; I wouldn't be proud to be contributing to that.[/p][/quote]Well said. brightonbatfink
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10:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

BN1 JB says...

Who organises 500 or so women to go on a march? Anyway it all sounds very sad and no doubt a load of feminist ****.
Who organises 500 or so women to go on a march? Anyway it all sounds very sad and no doubt a load of feminist ****. BN1 JB
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10:15pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

My neighbours are fine surelynit. It's all of us who hate the transients but as you are one of them we just wait for year three or four to end and watch you pack your bags to return home to mummy and daddy until you are 35 and manage to scrape a deposit on a bedsit in Stevenage.
We are welcoming the foreign uni students who behave like adults instead of the riff raff you and your Labour friends introduced to the town.
When does your psychology course finish?
My neighbours are fine surelynit. It's all of us who hate the transients but as you are one of them we just wait for year three or four to end and watch you pack your bags to return home to mummy and daddy until you are 35 and manage to scrape a deposit on a bedsit in Stevenage. We are welcoming the foreign uni students who behave like adults instead of the riff raff you and your Labour friends introduced to the town. When does your psychology course finish? Maxwell's Ghost
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10:36pm Tue 20 Nov 12

shining star says...

I too am sick to death of the attitude that the students who come to live in this town actually prance about and believe that this is one huge campus. The attitude that ' if you don't like it move somewhere else' is pathetic. I was born in Brighton, I have lived, worked and had children who also live and work in Brighton, I don't think we should consider having to 'move somewhere else' if we are not prepared to put up with whatever students wish to inflict on others. I bet their parents would not wish to live next door to a student house. I know people whose lives have been made thoroughly miserable living in the Hanover area of Brighton. This area is fast becoming a student campus, landlords buying up small terraced houses and turning them into multi occupational student lets. This area of Brighton was once a family area, I know, I lived in a house there. Whilst I'm sure that not all students are hell to live alongside, its hell for decent families when they are met with the morons who say 'dont like it, move out, this is a city' pathetic small minded individuals.
I too am sick to death of the attitude that the students who come to live in this town actually prance about and believe that this is one huge campus. The attitude that ' if you don't like it move somewhere else' is pathetic. I was born in Brighton, I have lived, worked and had children who also live and work in Brighton, I don't think we should consider having to 'move somewhere else' if we are not prepared to put up with whatever students wish to inflict on others. I bet their parents would not wish to live next door to a student house. I know people whose lives have been made thoroughly miserable living in the Hanover area of Brighton. This area is fast becoming a student campus, landlords buying up small terraced houses and turning them into multi occupational student lets. This area of Brighton was once a family area, I know, I lived in a house there. Whilst I'm sure that not all students are hell to live alongside, its hell for decent families when they are met with the morons who say 'dont like it, move out, this is a city' pathetic small minded individuals. shining star
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11:01pm Tue 20 Nov 12

martyt says...

the safest thing to do is turn up the lights and get the fat and small bobbies back walking the beat
the safest thing to do is turn up the lights and get the fat and small bobbies back walking the beat martyt
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9:55am Wed 21 Nov 12

Gloria Brown says...

Farouche wrote:
Gloria Brown wrote:
ARealBessie wrote:
Frellan wrote:
rhcp50 wrote:
Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)
Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest?

It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough.

The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.
Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.
Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate.
Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable.
I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.
Don't worry Gloria, I have no doubt whatsoever, that you are probably not an "object or desire" as you put it.

I tend to find it's only women who never get commented on that resort to being militant and who then persuade themselves that any spontaneous male attention other women get is tantamount to harrassment...
Farouche, my comment is in regards to how I and many other women I know feel on a day to day basis. If others have a different opinion, then that's fine and their prerogative. However I and many other women will not be belittled and made to feel as if their feelings are worth nothing. Voicing my opinion is my prerogative and my right, and if you feel that that in some way makes me 'militant' then I suggest you get in a time machine and take yourself back to a time where women were not allowed to speak up for themselves, you may feel more comfortable there.
[quote][p][bold]Farouche[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gloria Brown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ARealBessie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frellan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rhcp50[/bold] wrote: Is Brighton really the city to spotlight with this kind of protest? Most women I know are completely happy to walk around after dark, unlike where I used to live in south London where muggings and aggro were far more frequent. Brighton is a very safe city for its size (obviously such crimes should number zero, but there are very few in total.)[/p][/quote]Are there any cities that doesn't need this kind of protest? It's not only about muggings and 'aggro' but it's about being able to walk past groups of people without having to be attacked verbally. It doesn't have to be 'mean' comments that make you uncomfortable - a hiss or even a positive comment about appearance can be enough. The women you know maybe very confident, ot maybe older than me. But as a 20 year old girl I don't walk alone in the dark in Brighton if I can avoid it. It does not feel safe.[/p][/quote]Hey kid. You're 20 years old. Enjoy those positive comments when you get them, while they last! Most people are just being friendly. Relax a little, smile back and carry on your way. Your confidence will grow in time.[/p][/quote]Every woman deserves the right to be able to walk down the street and not have to put up with any type of comment about her appearance whether they be positive or negative. I am an very confident young woman, and find it very uncomfortable when I hear people 'mainly men' make 'positive' comments about my body as I walk passed not to mention inappropriate. Like any other person I believe it is my right to be able to walk home after work, or go out and meet friends with out feeling harassed by men or feeling like I need to walk the long way round to avoid be forced into a situation that will make me feel alone, scared and uncomfortable. I also believe that people should take my feelings as a woman seriously, I should not be patronized with a 'just relax' or a 'they are only being friendly' attitude. I also should not be told to 'enjoy them while they last' , I obviously don't enjoy them. I am not an object of **** or desire for a strange man, I am a person, and I deserve the right to walk around in my city and be treated as nothing less.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Gloria, I have no doubt whatsoever, that you are probably not an "object or desire" as you put it. I tend to find it's only women who never get commented on that resort to being militant and who then persuade themselves that any spontaneous male attention other women get is tantamount to harrassment...[/p][/quote]Farouche, my comment is in regards to how I and many other women I know feel on a day to day basis. If others have a different opinion, then that's fine and their prerogative. However I and many other women will not be belittled and made to feel as if their feelings are worth nothing. Voicing my opinion is my prerogative and my right, and if you feel that that in some way makes me 'militant' then I suggest you get in a time machine and take yourself back to a time where women were not allowed to speak up for themselves, you may feel more comfortable there. Gloria Brown
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11:14am Wed 21 Nov 12

FuriousGeorge says...

I agree with shiningstar and Maxwell's Ghost. I have two sons, my eldest, 21 is at Manchester University, studying Chemistry, not a phony humanities subject. When he came back on study leave he assured me that niether he nor any of his student friends ever go out and drink til late there, he told me that Brighton is the ONLY place where the students do this, I asked him why and he told me it was because we Brighton parents raise our children with a certain amount of respect. My younger son has decided to remain in Brighton, a far better idea in my opinion. When I was combing his hair on Friday night he tearfully told me that he and all the other Brightonian 18-25 year olds are fearful to walk the streets at night because all the students from out of town are causing so much trouble all the time. Perhaps we should have a curfew imposed on all out of towners so our Brighton born and bred children may return to their docile night time activities in peace.

Further I think Farouche is correct, there seems to be growing militancy amongst the women in Brighton. Obviously this is starting first with the ugly who resent the lack of attention from the boys but this is quickly spreading to the attractive but frigid and even to the plain impressionable, which as we know is most girls, right guys? This is a particular worry for me as I fear my younger son will be unable to find himself a suitable partner, he's so frustrated at the moment he just spends all of his time in his room and barely even has the confidence to catcall or expose himself out of his bedroom window. We as parents and tax paying residents need to take some kind of action to stem the Red and Pink Peril before our children start voting Labour and turning to knife crime (which might as well be the same thing).
I agree with shiningstar and Maxwell's Ghost. I have two sons, my eldest, 21 is at Manchester University, studying Chemistry, not a phony humanities subject. When he came back on study leave he assured me that niether he nor any of his student friends ever go out and drink til late there, he told me that Brighton is the ONLY place where the students do this, I asked him why and he told me it was because we Brighton parents raise our children with a certain amount of respect. My younger son has decided to remain in Brighton, a far better idea in my opinion. When I was combing his hair on Friday night he tearfully told me that he and all the other Brightonian 18-25 year olds are fearful to walk the streets at night because all the students from out of town are causing so much trouble all the time. Perhaps we should have a curfew imposed on all out of towners so our Brighton born and bred children may return to their docile night time activities in peace. Further I think Farouche is correct, there seems to be growing militancy amongst the women in Brighton. Obviously this is starting first with the ugly who resent the lack of attention from the boys but this is quickly spreading to the attractive but frigid and even to the plain impressionable, which as we know is most girls, right guys? This is a particular worry for me as I fear my younger son will be unable to find himself a suitable partner, he's so frustrated at the moment he just spends all of his time in his room and barely even has the confidence to catcall or expose himself out of his bedroom window. We as parents and tax paying residents need to take some kind of action to stem the Red and Pink Peril before our children start voting Labour and turning to knife crime (which might as well be the same thing). FuriousGeorge
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12:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

whereisthe...? says...

Typical. Such women have illusion all men rapists / high risk of rape - reality is far higher risk for men of victim of violence - nightly.



Thought march was sensible attempt to send message to criminals / chavs etc - but no, of course not. Trust the 'feminists' to turn it into being JUST about them!! and ignore other / related issues that are just as important.


By the way - feminism means wanting EQUAL rights - NOT special treatment - (do some research if don't believe me)


Anyone claiming they represent feminism who doesnt fight for EQUAL rights with men is a fake / personality nightmare case hiding anger / issues behind a genuinely important cause.
Typical. Such women have illusion all men rapists / high risk of rape - reality is far higher risk for men of victim of violence - nightly. Thought march was sensible attempt to send message to criminals / chavs etc - but no, of course not. Trust the 'feminists' to turn it into being JUST about them!! and ignore other / related issues that are just as important. By the way - feminism means wanting EQUAL rights - NOT special treatment - (do some research if don't believe me) Anyone claiming they represent feminism who doesnt fight for EQUAL rights with men is a fake / personality nightmare case hiding anger / issues behind a genuinely important cause. whereisthe...?
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10:41pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Surely not! says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
My neighbours are fine surelynit. It's all of us who hate the transients but as you are one of them we just wait for year three or four to end and watch you pack your bags to return home to mummy and daddy until you are 35 and manage to scrape a deposit on a bedsit in Stevenage.
We are welcoming the foreign uni students who behave like adults instead of the riff raff you and your Labour friends introduced to the town.
When does your psychology course finish?
the demented ravings of a loon.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: My neighbours are fine surelynit. It's all of us who hate the transients but as you are one of them we just wait for year three or four to end and watch you pack your bags to return home to mummy and daddy until you are 35 and manage to scrape a deposit on a bedsit in Stevenage. We are welcoming the foreign uni students who behave like adults instead of the riff raff you and your Labour friends introduced to the town. When does your psychology course finish?[/p][/quote]the demented ravings of a loon. Surely not!
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9:04am Thu 22 Nov 12

Lrobinson27 says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
Typical. Such women have illusion all men rapists / high risk of rape - reality is far higher risk for men of victim of violence - nightly.



Thought march was sensible attempt to send message to criminals / chavs etc - but no, of course not. Trust the 'feminists' to turn it into being JUST about them!! and ignore other / related issues that are just as important.


By the way - feminism means wanting EQUAL rights - NOT special treatment - (do some research if don't believe me)


Anyone claiming they represent feminism who doesnt fight for EQUAL rights with men is a fake / personality nightmare case hiding anger / issues behind a genuinely important cause.
Thank you so much for defining feminism for me. Us silly girls find those big words so tricky. Why on earth have we been wasting at least a hundred years thinking, writing and talking about the complexity of what 'equality' might mean? when we could have spent it making sure that men are 'equal' with us.
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Typical. Such women have illusion all men rapists / high risk of rape - reality is far higher risk for men of victim of violence - nightly. Thought march was sensible attempt to send message to criminals / chavs etc - but no, of course not. Trust the 'feminists' to turn it into being JUST about them!! and ignore other / related issues that are just as important. By the way - feminism means wanting EQUAL rights - NOT special treatment - (do some research if don't believe me) Anyone claiming they represent feminism who doesnt fight for EQUAL rights with men is a fake / personality nightmare case hiding anger / issues behind a genuinely important cause.[/p][/quote]Thank you so much for defining feminism for me. Us silly girls find those big words so tricky. Why on earth have we been wasting at least a hundred years thinking, writing and talking about the complexity of what 'equality' might mean? when we could have spent it making sure that men are 'equal' with us. Lrobinson27
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2:54pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Lady Smith says...

I was on this march and the level of vile, misogynistic, verbal abuse levelled at us (and there were a fair number of men too) showed why this demonstration was necessary and will be for a long time to come, alas.
I was on this march and the level of vile, misogynistic, verbal abuse levelled at us (and there were a fair number of men too) showed why this demonstration was necessary and will be for a long time to come, alas. Lady Smith
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2:57pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Lady Smith says...

On_the_Level wrote:
Great idea - a real life vigilante mob; when is the next one?
When you find your two brain cells, do let us know and we'll explain the difference between a peaceful demonstration and a 'vigilante mob'.
[quote][p][bold]On_the_Level[/bold] wrote: Great idea - a real life vigilante mob; when is the next one?[/p][/quote]When you find your two brain cells, do let us know and we'll explain the difference between a peaceful demonstration and a 'vigilante mob'. Lady Smith
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8:37pm Thu 22 Nov 12

Wooton Basset says...

What is west street coming to! I Wonder! it's like a modern day wetherspoon nineveh....
What is west street coming to! I Wonder! it's like a modern day wetherspoon nineveh.... Wooton Basset
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12:28pm Fri 23 Nov 12

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

shining star wrote:
I too am sick to death of the attitude that the students who come to live in this town actually prance about and believe that this is one huge campus. The attitude that ' if you don't like it move somewhere else' is pathetic. I was born in Brighton, I have lived, worked and had children who also live and work in Brighton, I don't think we should consider having to 'move somewhere else' if we are not prepared to put up with whatever students wish to inflict on others. I bet their parents would not wish to live next door to a student house. I know people whose lives have been made thoroughly miserable living in the Hanover area of Brighton. This area is fast becoming a student campus, landlords buying up small terraced houses and turning them into multi occupational student lets. This area of Brighton was once a family area, I know, I lived in a house there. Whilst I'm sure that not all students are hell to live alongside, its hell for decent families when they are met with the morons who say 'dont like it, move out, this is a city' pathetic small minded individuals.
I find it thoroughly repugnant that "students" are being described in such a negative light. It is a vague generalisation and I find it very offensive as there are plenty of students in Brighton who go to bed early, don't listen to loud music, instead preferring a boring philosophical debate whilst enjoying some vegan cuisine before finishing off their evening with a game of chess. Are these the same students that anger you?

In the same way, I know a great many people who are non-students and haven't been students for 10+ years. They love listening to loud bass music, love to party all night long and would probably tell you where to go if you complained to them. These people may appear to be students as they live in shared houses and enjoy a party or two. However, these individuals more often than not work in a variety of different jobs around the city often with long and unsociable hours. Many work in bars, clubs and restaurants others in telesales environments and start work at 11:00 and are lucky to get home for 10pm.

However the snobs in this forum are usually just happy to label people as "students" as it enables them to put people into a box without considering the reality.
[quote][p][bold]shining star[/bold] wrote: I too am sick to death of the attitude that the students who come to live in this town actually prance about and believe that this is one huge campus. The attitude that ' if you don't like it move somewhere else' is pathetic. I was born in Brighton, I have lived, worked and had children who also live and work in Brighton, I don't think we should consider having to 'move somewhere else' if we are not prepared to put up with whatever students wish to inflict on others. I bet their parents would not wish to live next door to a student house. I know people whose lives have been made thoroughly miserable living in the Hanover area of Brighton. This area is fast becoming a student campus, landlords buying up small terraced houses and turning them into multi occupational student lets. This area of Brighton was once a family area, I know, I lived in a house there. Whilst I'm sure that not all students are hell to live alongside, its hell for decent families when they are met with the morons who say 'dont like it, move out, this is a city' pathetic small minded individuals.[/p][/quote]I find it thoroughly repugnant that "students" are being described in such a negative light. It is a vague generalisation and I find it very offensive as there are plenty of students in Brighton who go to bed early, don't listen to loud music, instead preferring a boring philosophical debate whilst enjoying some vegan cuisine before finishing off their evening with a game of chess. Are these the same students that anger you? In the same way, I know a great many people who are non-students and haven't been students for 10+ years. They love listening to loud bass music, love to party all night long and would probably tell you where to go if you complained to them. These people may appear to be students as they live in shared houses and enjoy a party or two. However, these individuals more often than not work in a variety of different jobs around the city often with long and unsociable hours. Many work in bars, clubs and restaurants others in telesales environments and start work at 11:00 and are lucky to get home for 10pm. However the snobs in this forum are usually just happy to label people as "students" as it enables them to put people into a box without considering the reality. uniteagainstparkingcharges
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4:56pm Fri 23 Nov 12

shining star says...

pathetic comment!. Then let me live among 'snobs' and plenty of them. Let the 'live it large' have each other then when they want to sleep to get up to go to work lets hope their neighbours are 'snobs' to allow them their rest. Grow up.
pathetic comment!. Then let me live among 'snobs' and plenty of them. Let the 'live it large' have each other then when they want to sleep to get up to go to work lets hope their neighbours are 'snobs' to allow them their rest. Grow up. shining star
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