Children aged ten locked up in Sussex

A prison charity has condemned Sussex Police for locking up children as young as ten.

The Howard League described the detention of thousands of children in police cells in Sussex over the past three years as doing “more harm than good”.

Figures obtained by The Argus show that more than 8,500 children aged between ten and 15 have been held by Sussex Police since 2009, including more than 40 ten-year-olds.

Police said that an increase in the use of community resolutions had reduced the number of children detained in police cells. But in the ten months to the end of October this year, 1,602 children aged 15 or younger were detained by Sussex Police, compared to 2,973 for the whole of 2009.

Offenders were held on a wide range of charges not normally associated with young offenders including blackmail, money laundering and child neglect.

A total of 33 teenagers were also arrested for driving offences while almost 100 children were arrested on suspicion of rape.

'Unjustifiable'

Frances Crook, the chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform, said: “Holding children as young as ten in police cells for up to 24 hours is not only deeply concerning, it is unjustifiable.

"The vast majority of children who are locked up are innocent of any crime, and it is a frightening experience which does more harm than good.

“What boys and girls need is somewhere safe, not somewhere secure, and more must be done to stem the flow of children into the criminal justice system.”

The charity said it is campaigning to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 14 in line with other European countries.

A Sussex Police spokesman said: “The Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) determines how and when we arrest and detain anyone suspected of a criminal offence.

“This detention can be to prevent further offending or harm to other people or property and can be for the protection of the arrested person themself.

“A custody sergeant will decide if detention is necessary and any extension of detention is subject to an inspector’s review.”

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5:40pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this.

Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up.

I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.
I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this. Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up. I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them. Algeria Touchshriek

6:02pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

Algeria you got that spot on.The 10-15 year old group can be right little demons.Lets face it they know what they are doing at that age.
Algeria you got that spot on.The 10-15 year old group can be right little demons.Lets face it they know what they are doing at that age. Freeloaders

6:11pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Roundbill says...

Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this.

Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up.

I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.
Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?
[quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this. Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up. I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.[/p][/quote]Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first? Roundbill

6:39pm Tue 20 Nov 12

nocando says...

Roundbill wrote:
Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this.

Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up.

I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.
Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?
Are you some sort of idiot making remarks like that?
Some of us were brought up in an age where fear of the consequences kept us out of a lot of trouble. It wasn't abuse it was discipline and standards of behaviour were required and managed. Which is why we didn't get nicked aged 12.
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this. Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up. I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.[/p][/quote]Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?[/p][/quote]Are you some sort of idiot making remarks like that? Some of us were brought up in an age where fear of the consequences kept us out of a lot of trouble. It wasn't abuse it was discipline and standards of behaviour were required and managed. Which is why we didn't get nicked aged 12. nocando

7:16pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Surely not! says...

I see the brains trust are out in force.
I see the brains trust are out in force. Surely not!

7:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Roundbill says...

nocando wrote:
Roundbill wrote:
Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this.

Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up.

I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.
Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?
Are you some sort of idiot making remarks like that?
Some of us were brought up in an age where fear of the consequences kept us out of a lot of trouble. It wasn't abuse it was discipline and standards of behaviour were required and managed. Which is why we didn't get nicked aged 12.
So you're saying your childhood was a happy one, because you lived in fear of being attacked by adults - and now you'd experience pleasure from inflicting pain on today's children. I wish I'd had a childhood as idyllic as that. Mine involved being nice to people because it was the right thing to do, rather than because my behaviour might attract violence. Still, each to their own ;-)
[quote][p][bold]nocando[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this. Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up. I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.[/p][/quote]Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?[/p][/quote]Are you some sort of idiot making remarks like that? Some of us were brought up in an age where fear of the consequences kept us out of a lot of trouble. It wasn't abuse it was discipline and standards of behaviour were required and managed. Which is why we didn't get nicked aged 12.[/p][/quote]So you're saying your childhood was a happy one, because you lived in fear of being attacked by adults - and now you'd experience pleasure from inflicting pain on today's children. I wish I'd had a childhood as idyllic as that. Mine involved being nice to people because it was the right thing to do, rather than because my behaviour might attract violence. Still, each to their own ;-) Roundbill

7:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Sussex jim says...

A short sharp shock of being locked up would probably do wonders in the early termination of a life of crime.
If I had a call from the Police about my son being arrested, unlike Tony Blair I would tell them to keep him in until the morning.
A short sharp shock of being locked up would probably do wonders in the early termination of a life of crime. If I had a call from the Police about my son being arrested, unlike Tony Blair I would tell them to keep him in until the morning. Sussex jim

8:14pm Tue 20 Nov 12

jesss2012 says...

Roundbill wrote:
Algeria Touchshriek wrote:
I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this.

Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up.

I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.
Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?
I dont agree with beating children or that police cells are the right place...but roundbill... what a downright stupid f'ing comment. Total idiot!!
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Algeria Touchshriek[/bold] wrote: I think the parents of poor Jamie Bulger would have an opinion of this. Some 10 year olds are little demons. They know right from wrong but they play up thinking they are the big man. Lock 'em up. I would even advocate beating sense in to some of them.[/p][/quote]Are you saying you enjoy punching children? That's very candid of you. Do you like them to undress first?[/p][/quote]I dont agree with beating children or that police cells are the right place...but roundbill... what a downright stupid f'ing comment. Total idiot!! jesss2012

10:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

mimseycal says...

Damned if they do damned if they don't. I doubt that the police force goes around randomly picking up children to detain. Disregarding for the now the whole gamut of additional rules and requirements that a custody centre has to adhere to when it has a minor in its cells. I bet it is something every custody sergeant dreads having to deal with.

And just because an original detention does not automatically lead to a charge and conviction does not mean the children were necessarily innocent of wrong doing to start with.

Yes, I don't like the thought of a child in detention but a car doesn't suddenly become unvandalised because it was a 12 year old that smashed the headlights or slashed the tyres. Nor does time turn back and suddenly the home you returned to is unburgled because the burglars are under 16.

Damage, abuse, pain, loss, fear and a whole array of other very real effects of being a victim of crime do not suddenly evaporate just because they came about as a consequence of the acts of a minor; or because it isn't deemed in the interest of society to charge the perpetrator/s.

Get real and see who is making these points. Frances Crook, the chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform who are actively campaigning to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 14.

Oh and just as a matter of interest ... no it isn't all European countries that hold 14 to be the age of criminal responsibility. In Holland it is 12, in France 13, in Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland it is 15 ...
Damned if they do damned if they don't. I doubt that the police force goes around randomly picking up children to detain. Disregarding for the now the whole gamut of additional rules and requirements that a custody centre has to adhere to when it has a minor in its cells. I bet it is something every custody sergeant dreads having to deal with. And just because an original detention does not automatically lead to a charge and conviction does not mean the children were necessarily innocent of wrong doing to start with. Yes, I don't like the thought of a child in detention but a car doesn't suddenly become unvandalised because it was a 12 year old that smashed the headlights or slashed the tyres. Nor does time turn back and suddenly the home you returned to is unburgled because the burglars are under 16. Damage, abuse, pain, loss, fear and a whole array of other very real effects of being a victim of crime do not suddenly evaporate just because they came about as a consequence of the acts of a minor; or because it isn't deemed in the interest of society to charge the perpetrator/s. Get real and see who is making these points. Frances Crook, the chief executive of the Howard League for Penal Reform who are actively campaigning to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 14. Oh and just as a matter of interest ... no it isn't all European countries that hold 14 to be the age of criminal responsibility. In Holland it is 12, in France 13, in Denmark, Norway, Iceland and Finland it is 15 ... mimseycal

11:18pm Tue 20 Nov 12

martyt says...

oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs
oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs martyt

12:14am Wed 21 Nov 12

qm says...

As a young person reading about eugenics, I was appalled and sickened that anyone could ever think of such a thing!
As I get older . . . . . . . .
As a young person reading about eugenics, I was appalled and sickened that anyone could ever think of such a thing! As I get older . . . . . . . . qm

6:01am Wed 21 Nov 12

ruberducker says...

martyt wrote:
oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs
but were not allowed to have an opinion on travellers,there free to do what they want setting a fine example for their offspring.
[quote][p][bold]martyt[/bold] wrote: oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs[/p][/quote]but were not allowed to have an opinion on travellers,there free to do what they want setting a fine example for their offspring. ruberducker

7:18am Wed 21 Nov 12

george smith says...

ruberducker wrote:
martyt wrote: oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs
but were not allowed to have an opinion on travellers,there free to do what they want setting a fine example for their offspring.
I am always amazed they get away with not sending girls to school, as they are at home cleaning as shown on the wedding dress programme. Anyone else who didn't send their daughter to school would be fined and occasionally jailed. Not going to school does not help intergration
[quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martyt[/bold] wrote: oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs[/p][/quote]but were not allowed to have an opinion on travellers,there free to do what they want setting a fine example for their offspring.[/p][/quote]I am always amazed they get away with not sending girls to school, as they are at home cleaning as shown on the wedding dress programme. Anyone else who didn't send their daughter to school would be fined and occasionally jailed. Not going to school does not help intergration george smith

10:50am Wed 21 Nov 12

bluemonday says...

george smith wrote:
ruberducker wrote:
martyt wrote: oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs
but were not allowed to have an opinion on travellers,there free to do what they want setting a fine example for their offspring.
I am always amazed they get away with not sending girls to school, as they are at home cleaning as shown on the wedding dress programme. Anyone else who didn't send their daughter to school would be fined and occasionally jailed. Not going to school does not help intergration
what the hell has this got to do with travellers,yes,they park on land illegally and make a mess,frequently theres trouble of some description,then afew weeks later there gone,the young thugs the article is about is more likely residents who are a 365 day a year problem that needs sorting,
[quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ruberducker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martyt[/bold] wrote: oh joy what sort of parent brings up there child to be a thug ,not caring what they get up too or who they abuse ,the sad truth is quiet a few ,children learn there values at home and when there parents or parent don t care the child don t care either ,when you can see the drinking the smoking and drug taking by both parent and then there children as its what they learned at home ,if it s all right to see your parents beating each other then the child see it as the normal thing to do ,if children are failed at the start of life then most are lost forever ,i would like to see more parents locked up for failing there children ,it might just save a few children and send them down the right path in life if the parents were locked up for there wrongs[/p][/quote]but were not allowed to have an opinion on travellers,there free to do what they want setting a fine example for their offspring.[/p][/quote]I am always amazed they get away with not sending girls to school, as they are at home cleaning as shown on the wedding dress programme. Anyone else who didn't send their daughter to school would be fined and occasionally jailed. Not going to school does not help intergration[/p][/quote]what the hell has this got to do with travellers,yes,they park on land illegally and make a mess,frequently theres trouble of some description,then afew weeks later there gone,the young thugs the article is about is more likely residents who are a 365 day a year problem that needs sorting, bluemonday

4:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Nosfaratu says...

Actually, most young boys aged 8 are quite aware that what they are doing is wrong.

Fear is the most successful of deterents.

Although I suspect the fear that an unruly child might stab them is much more prevalent.
Therefore they respond, its only natural.
Young boys are little guerrillas and always have been.
Actually, most young boys aged 8 are quite aware that what they are doing is wrong. Fear is the most successful of deterents. Although I suspect the fear that an unruly child might stab them is much more prevalent. Therefore they respond, its only natural. Young boys are little guerrillas and always have been. Nosfaratu

5:01pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sussexram40 says...

If theyre old enough to do the crime theyre old enough to do the time.
The softly softly approach had led to far more yobs and out of control kids. What is needed is a return to old fashioned discipline that actually works, ie. give a child a smack or beating till they go running to the room in pain. That makes them think twice. Thats the sort of discipline people of my generation had and it did us more good than harm.
If theyre old enough to do the crime theyre old enough to do the time. The softly softly approach had led to far more yobs and out of control kids. What is needed is a return to old fashioned discipline that actually works, ie. give a child a smack or beating till they go running to the room in pain. That makes them think twice. Thats the sort of discipline people of my generation had and it did us more good than harm. sussexram40

5:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sussexram40 says...

And bring the cane back to schools. We were terrified of being caned because it really hurt. It works.
And bring the cane back to schools. We were terrified of being caned because it really hurt. It works. sussexram40

5:27pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Nosfaratu says...

sussexram40 wrote:
And bring the cane back to schools. We were terrified of being caned because it really hurt. It works.
I have a picture of you in my mind, its a caricature of an aging bent old man with long dirty nails, a hooked nose and an evil glint in his eye !
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: And bring the cane back to schools. We were terrified of being caned because it really hurt. It works.[/p][/quote]I have a picture of you in my mind, its a caricature of an aging bent old man with long dirty nails, a hooked nose and an evil glint in his eye ! Nosfaratu

9:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

sussexram40 says...

Ha. Well the point I'm making is that there are too many softies and rights groups these days and we have a situation where parents, teachers, the police etc are too scared to impose discipline. I'm not advocating doing serious harm to anyone but a smack across the back of the legs or a caning from the headmaster as a punishment is effective. Kids today know that people in authority cant touch them and thats part of the problem in my opinion.
Ha. Well the point I'm making is that there are too many softies and rights groups these days and we have a situation where parents, teachers, the police etc are too scared to impose discipline. I'm not advocating doing serious harm to anyone but a smack across the back of the legs or a caning from the headmaster as a punishment is effective. Kids today know that people in authority cant touch them and thats part of the problem in my opinion. sussexram40

9:13am Thu 22 Nov 12

Roger Francais says...

The charities wouldn't be saying that if it was their wheelie bins the little bleeder's were setting fire too at 3.00am in the morning.
The charities wouldn't be saying that if it was their wheelie bins the little bleeder's were setting fire too at 3.00am in the morning. Roger Francais

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