Council’s secret over lost spaces in Brighton streets (From The Argus)
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Parking will be reduced in Hanover if communal bins approved
12:10pm Thursday 22nd November 2012 in News By Emily Walker, Chief Reporter
Communal bins in Lewes Road
A council has been accused of trying to keep secret the number of parking spaces to be lost as communal bins are rolled out.
Residents in the Hanover area of Brighton are currently being consulted about Brighton and Hove City Council’s plans to bring in huge containers.
But the Hanover and Elm Grove Labour Group has now accused the council of trying to keep the number of parking spaces to be lost under the scheme a secret.
A leaflet delivered to homes across Hanover makes the claims, saying: “42, the number the council doesn’t want you to know.”
Tracey Hill, of Hanover and Elm Grove Labour Party, said: “At the meeting, councillors asked them to make it clear how many parking spaces would be lost.
“People should be told what’s being considered. The alternative would be to keep kerbside recycling, but there could be a push on recycling and fines for offenders.
“Parking spaces are already squeezed because a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) was introduced in ten streets at the top of Southover Street and this is having a knock on effect.
“Communal bins are yet another thing that will have an effect on car owners in Hanover.
“Ultimately it is up to the residents of Hanover to decide but they should have had the full facts laid out in front of them.”
Public consultation
The consultation period runs until December 3, and residents have been urged to have their say.
A spokeswoman for the city council confirmed that 42 parking spaces would be lost if the scheme is implemented.
She added that the number had probably been left out of the leaflet because there was “lots of information to fit in”.
In a statement the council said: “Our leaflet makes it quite clear that parking spaces would be lost if communal bins are introduced.
“Information sent to households includes a map showing where bins might be located so residents can easily see if any parking spaces could be lost and where.”
An exhibition of the proposals was held at the Hanover Centre in Southover Street, from 3pm to 6.30pm on Tuesday, November 20.
A second event will be held at the Salvation Army Brighton Congress Hall in Park Crescent Terrace on November 29 from 3pm to 6.30pm.
Take part in the council consultation on its website consult.brighton-hove.gov.uk
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Comments(26)
toldsloth
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12:37pm Thu 22 Nov 12
There is no such thing as democracy in Brighton - the students were stupid enough to vote the Green Party into power and everybody else will just have to put up with them until the next round of elections when they will be thrown out on their ear.
toldsloth
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12:37pm Thu 22 Nov 12
There is no such thing as democracy in Brighton - the students were stupid enough to vote the Green Party into power and everybody else will just have to put up with them until the next round of elections when they will be thrown out on their ear.
toldsloth
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12:44pm Thu 22 Nov 12
reagull
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12:53pm Thu 22 Nov 12
they have either put the bins in a car parking space or rather stupidly in places, on double yellow lines. trying to pull out of the bottom of Wilbury Villas at the cross roads was always dangerous, there is now a large black bin to obscure traffic approaching from the right so you have to pull out even further into oncoming traffic. If I park my car on double yellow lines it is considered a hazard and I will get fined. why is is OK to place a large bin there instead? surely this compromises the safety of all road users?
Hove Actually
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1:02pm Thu 22 Nov 12
How many black bins are there across
the City? and how many spaces have been lost? and how many EXTRA resident permits have been sold for spaces that don't even exist?
StyleCop
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1:48pm Thu 22 Nov 12
reagull wrote:Indeed & well said - I made that very point in the Parking consultation forms that were distributed earlier this year...
I live in Cromwell Road, Hove, they have either put the bins in a car parking space or rather stupidly in places, on double yellow lines. trying to pull out of the bottom of Wilbury Villas at the cross roads was always dangerous, there is now a large black bin to obscure traffic approaching from the right so you have to pull out even further into oncoming traffic. If I park my car on double yellow lines it is considered a hazard and I will get fined. why is is OK to place a large bin there instead? surely this compromises the safety of all road users?
I doubt it'll change anything though... but you're absolutely right.
Noah Lott
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2:04pm Thu 22 Nov 12
funkyyoyo
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3:35pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Mr Sworld
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4:06pm Thu 22 Nov 12
funkyyoyo wrote:As they aren't motor vehicles and will be in marked bays they don't need a permit.
im going to look into the legality of parking these 4 wheel devices as they dont appear to display a valid parking ticket/permit!!!
Yoyo, you make me ho, ho...
south-coast
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4:38pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Has it been considered that heavy bins on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest how much did the consultation cost, and how many parking spaces have been lost to bins in Brighton and Hove?
Surely not!
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7:50pm Thu 22 Nov 12
south-coast wrote:Common Sense tells us the roads of Hannover are better suited to horses and carts than cars.
Common sense tells us that roads are better suited to cars than bins.
Has it been considered that heavy bins on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest how much did the consultation cost, and how many parking spaces have been lost to bins in Brighton and Hove?
Has it been considered that heavy cars on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest have you ever formulated a logical and argument?
Somethingsarejustwrong
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8:14pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Surely not! wrote:I can't see an issue.
south-coast wrote:Common Sense tells us the roads of Hannover are better suited to horses and carts than cars.
Common sense tells us that roads are better suited to cars than bins.
Has it been considered that heavy bins on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest how much did the consultation cost, and how many parking spaces have been lost to bins in Brighton and Hove?
Has it been considered that heavy cars on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest have you ever formulated a logical and argument?
Uncle_Meat
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8:42pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Ilyich
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10:07pm Thu 22 Nov 12
Re others above, a communal bins takes up space of one car but is of use to many houses, so is clearly more helpful to community than one persons car.
I think Labours are championing individuals motoring requirements of priveliged few over scheme to benefit whole community and this does not suprise me.
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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7:02am Fri 23 Nov 12
Surely not! wrote:If you'd ever read any history on Brighton you'll know that in the days of the horse and cart they had terrible problems getting up and down the hills. (At Brighton station they can show you the old entrance where you can still see the marks in the walls that were made where they used to jam their wheels against the walls to stop them from sliding back). Cars are a much better form of transport for negotiating hills, so 'south-coast' is right and you are wrong.
south-coast wrote:Common Sense tells us the roads of Hannover are better suited to horses and carts than cars.
Common sense tells us that roads are better suited to cars than bins.
Has it been considered that heavy bins on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest how much did the consultation cost, and how many parking spaces have been lost to bins in Brighton and Hove?
Has it been considered that heavy cars on wheels and large hills won't be the best of ideas.
Out of interest have you ever formulated a logical and argument?
Chaffinch1
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9:55am Fri 23 Nov 12
I live near Brighton station, where the communal bins have been in place for a year or so.
Since the bins were installed, kerbside refuse collection has ceased. Our nearest bin is 150 metres away, which makes taking the rubbish out really hard for the old and infirm or for people with small children who can't be left at home alone while you carry a heavy bin bag out to the bins.
I don't think this measure is for the community's benefit, more likely it's for the benefit of the contractors the council uses to collect the waste.
Palace of Wisdom
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12:26pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Surely not!
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12:58pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Palace of Wisdom wrote:Get a life you boring whinging and obviously inept bunch!
These bins are lethal. I cannot recall the number of times I have had near misses whilst emerging from a junction trying to see round them - at least with cars parked on these double yellow corner safety spaces you can see through the windows or over them!!
Palace of Wisdom
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1:32pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Fairfax Sakes
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1:45pm Fri 23 Nov 12
tdwright
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3:44pm Fri 23 Nov 12
1) Parking spaces would be lost (there was even a map!)
2) The decision would be made on a street-by-street basis
This second point means that 42 is the upper bound rather than the guaranteed amount. 42, by the way, represents only about 3% of the current number of parking spaces in the area.
I, for one, can't wait to see the back of the "binvelopes", which are dirty and clog up our pavements.
Lastly, if we are going to talk about parking, why do so many people oppose a CPZ? It would spell the end of Hanover being the city centre's dumping ground for cars and make parking easier for residents.
Sometimes it seems like people just don't like change very much.
hamishhove
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9:37pm Mon 26 Nov 12
Ilyich wrote:exactly....all about rubbish!!! not recycling, shame either the Argus or the Labour Councillor couldnt (which?) couldnt get this correct, so people can make their OWN informed decision
This article is not right at all. The Ms Hill believes the alternative is recycling, when clearly is refuse being talked about. Also she is saying that streets at top of Southover recently became CPZ'Z when this actually happened to streets to south of Albion Hill. With 75% of her statement wrong, how are we to believe the other 25%?
Re others above, a communal bins takes up space of one car but is of use to many houses, so is clearly more helpful to community than one persons car.
I think Labours are championing individuals motoring requirements of priveliged few over scheme to benefit whole community and this does not suprise me.
hamishhove
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9:42pm Mon 26 Nov 12
CMStockel
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8:04pm Tue 27 Nov 12
Moreover, it might be difficult for older people living in the area.
I have my own small bin that does not block the pavement (I also use a pram) and keeps gulls away. If others could simply follow suit, this would be a non-issue.
I have filled out the consulation survey and also signed a petition. I hope others who feel the same also do so. Apathy will surely see communal bins come to every street.
CMS
Resident in Hanover
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11:50pm Mon 10 Dec 12
tdwright wrote:And where did the 3% calculation come from? Sounds like poppycock to me.
I found the Labour leaflet to be extremely misleading. The original council consultation made clear that:
1) Parking spaces would be lost (there was even a map!)
2) The decision would be made on a street-by-street basis
This second point means that 42 is the upper bound rather than the guaranteed amount. 42, by the way, represents only about 3% of the current number of parking spaces in the area.
I, for one, can't wait to see the back of the "binvelopes", which are dirty and clog up our pavements.
Lastly, if we are going to talk about parking, why do so many people oppose a CPZ? It would spell the end of Hanover being the city centre's dumping ground for cars and make parking easier for residents.
Sometimes it seems like people just don't like change very much.
I'm pleased that you, for one, are single minded enough to enjoy the prospect of communal bins. I just signed a petition with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Hanover Household names stating the desire for otherwise.
Sometimes, it seems like people just like change for the sake of it.
toldsloth says...
12:36pm Thu 22 Nov 12
There is no such thing as democracy in Brighton - the students were stupid enough to vote the Green Party into power and everybody else will just have to put up with them until the next round of elections when they will be thrown out on their ear.