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Councillor slams Halfords’ pink bikes for girls

The Argus: Councillor Sven Rufus Councillor Sven Rufus

A Green councillor has seen red over a shop’s marketing of pink bikes to girls.

Sven Rufus, who represents Hollingdean and Stanmer on Brighton and Hove City Council, said Halfords was “pigeonholing” youngsters according to their sex.

But one fellow councillor said Coun Rufus’s objection was “ridiculous”.

In its brochure the shop in Lewes Road, Brighton, offers police bikes for boys and princess bikes for girls.

The company says girls who ride its bikes will be “sweet as cupcakes surrounded by pink and sprinkles” while boys are encouraged to “charge through the jungle” on two wheels.

Coun Rufus, a self-employed ecologist, made an official complaint to the Halfords marketing department after being driven “nuts” by the adverts.

Categorising children

He said: “What inflames me as the parent of a daughter is this categorisation of children according to gender.

“It reinforces the idea for girls that there are certain jobs and roles they should be doing.

“The colour pink is a very visible manifestation of how girls are likened to fairies and princesses and things that aren’t real.

“It’s ridiculous.”

Emma Moore from campaign group Pink Stinks said the colour was “just a lazy marketing ploy”.

She said: “Halfords is a typical business when it comes to this kind of thing. I’m in complete agreement with Councillor Rufus.

“It’s absolutely vile that children aren’t being given the chance to grow up how they want from the moment they are born.

“This whole pink nonsense was never around in the 1970s – it’s completely false.”

'Designed by children'

But Dawn Barnett, Conservative councillor for Hangleton, described Coun Rufus’s complaint as “utterly stupid”.

She said: “If someone has a son who wants a pink bike then they can go and buy it, what’s the problem there?

“I think Coun Rufus should be spending his time usefully, not making ridiculous complaints.

“I always knew the Greens were losing the plot but now they appear to have gone completely mad.”

A spokeswoman from Halfords said: “Our new range of Apollo bikes has been designed with a panel of children.

"Their feedback and ideas helped Halfords in incorporating the final designs for the bikes.

“Great care has therefore been taken, ensuring the designs delight them.”

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12:36pm Fri 23 Nov 12

rubberflipper says...

I urge everyone to select PINK from the above survey just to **** off the left-wing liberal tossers on here.
I urge everyone to select PINK from the above survey just to **** off the left-wing liberal tossers on here. rubberflipper
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12:40pm Fri 23 Nov 12

snaggybird051 says...

I cannot believe he has even complained, what a jerk
I cannot believe he has even complained, what a jerk snaggybird051
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12:41pm Fri 23 Nov 12

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

It's good that he backs up his stance on the categorisation of gender by himself having a girls haircut.
It's good that he backs up his stance on the categorisation of gender by himself having a girls haircut. uniteagainstparkingcharges
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12:42pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Vigilia says...

Dear God in Heaven, what is possessing this man.
Little girls like pink, ponies, dolls and family pets. They always have done and always will and very many grow out of it.
Instead of idealogical obsession with the politically correct, the Councillor would be better employed in saving his taxpaying electorate the £1,000 a day they are having to find to support travellers across the City.
Dear God in Heaven, what is possessing this man. Little girls like pink, ponies, dolls and family pets. They always have done and always will and very many grow out of it. Instead of idealogical obsession with the politically correct, the Councillor would be better employed in saving his taxpaying electorate the £1,000 a day they are having to find to support travellers across the City. Vigilia
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12:44pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Surely not! says...

rubberflipper wrote:
I urge everyone to select PINK from the above survey just to **** off the left-wing liberal tossers on here.
Well he appears to have upset a couple of morons...so he's got something going for him!
[quote][p][bold]rubberflipper[/bold] wrote: I urge everyone to select PINK from the above survey just to **** off the left-wing liberal tossers on here.[/p][/quote]Well he appears to have upset a couple of morons...so he's got something going for him! Surely not!
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12:49pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Indigatio says...

I was going write a sensible reasoned argument opposing Coun Rufus’s objection but I really can't be bothered to respond to someone is obviously such a 'plonker'!
I was going write a sensible reasoned argument opposing Coun Rufus’s objection but I really can't be bothered to respond to someone is obviously such a 'plonker'! Indigatio
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12:49pm Fri 23 Nov 12

angrymonkey says...

Wow things in brighton must be great if this is all he can think to maon about .
Or is it something so silly he got his name in the paper.
Wow things in brighton must be great if this is all he can think to maon about . Or is it something so silly he got his name in the paper. angrymonkey
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12:50pm Fri 23 Nov 12

wolfie says...

says it all the green party are mad as hatters
says it all the green party are mad as hatters wolfie
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12:59pm Fri 23 Nov 12

brightonian57 says...

Maybe councillor could make better use of his time sorting out the complete mess his council have made of Brighton and Hove. Rather then getting worked up about what colour bikes Halfords are selling. I’m sure the public are quite capable of voting by not buying something if they don’t like its colour. The same way as they will be voting the Green party out as soon as they can
Maybe councillor could make better use of his time sorting out the complete mess his council have made of Brighton and Hove. Rather then getting worked up about what colour bikes Halfords are selling. I’m sure the public are quite capable of voting by not buying something if they don’t like its colour. The same way as they will be voting the Green party out as soon as they can brightonian57
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12:59pm Fri 23 Nov 12

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Lets not worrying about trifling things in Brighton like homelessness, poverty, unemployment and drug misuse; lets concentrate on the really important issues like pink bicycles.

Please God, somebody get rid of this incompetent, Marxist politically-correct bunch of Green loons...
Lets not worrying about trifling things in Brighton like homelessness, poverty, unemployment and drug misuse; lets concentrate on the really important issues like pink bicycles. Please God, somebody get rid of this incompetent, Marxist politically-correct bunch of Green loons... BornInBrighton1968
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1:05pm Fri 23 Nov 12

sound_man says...

First of all, how is this considered news? A chap has complained about something he doesn't agree with. So what? He is allowed to, as we all are.
I have two girls, who both like the colour pink. They like things that sparkle and fairies. Also, they both like playing with toy cars. As well as dolls.

Personally, I don't agree with what most of what the green policies consist of. Nor do I agree with what the tory lot put out.

Can we just let this chap have is little moan, and next time I write any letter of complaint, I'll inform those fine journalists at The Argus and see if they too would be interested in putting the story on here.
First of all, how is this considered news? A chap has complained about something he doesn't agree with. So what? He is allowed to, as we all are. I have two girls, who both like the colour pink. They like things that sparkle and fairies. Also, they both like playing with toy cars. As well as dolls. Personally, I don't agree with what most of what the green policies consist of. Nor do I agree with what the tory lot put out. Can we just let this chap have is little moan, and next time I write any letter of complaint, I'll inform those fine journalists at The Argus and see if they too would be interested in putting the story on here. sound_man
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1:09pm Fri 23 Nov 12

mustaphaLeeko says...

Is this guy for real?

Does he not have a proper job to do representing the community NOT his own views which are politicising a childs bicycle.

Perhaps he should stop being such a misery!

I also agree with previous comments, he looks like he needs a wash and a shave, scruffy looking bloke.
Is this guy for real? Does he not have a proper job to do representing the community NOT his own views which are politicising a childs bicycle. Perhaps he should stop being such a misery! I also agree with previous comments, he looks like he needs a wash and a shave, scruffy looking bloke. mustaphaLeeko
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1:11pm Fri 23 Nov 12

funkyyoyo says...

what halfords sells is none of businness,and i hope halfords take millions for christmas,how about spend time suspending and repainting all the illegally marked residents bays/parking bays throughout the bn postcode area!!! 8 years overdue and your obtaining money by deception ( torte of malsfeasance applies here) oh and get a haircut you scruffy looking muppet
what halfords sells is none of businness,and i hope halfords take millions for christmas,how about spend time suspending and repainting all the illegally marked residents bays/parking bays throughout the bn postcode area!!! 8 years overdue and your obtaining money by deception ( torte of malsfeasance applies here) oh and get a haircut you scruffy looking muppet funkyyoyo
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1:12pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Sally_Bee says...

How ridiculous. I don't hear the councillor 'slamming' the boys bikes for being police themed.
How ridiculous. I don't hear the councillor 'slamming' the boys bikes for being police themed. Sally_Bee
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1:13pm Fri 23 Nov 12

paul76 says...

I hope he did create any carbon emissions making the complaint and went to the store in person (on his pink bike).
I hope he did create any carbon emissions making the complaint and went to the store in person (on his pink bike). paul76
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1:18pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Sven the stupid. If he had any grey matter he would realise why females ( not all I grant you ) have a propensity towards pink. Our hunter gatherer history lives with us today as females lived or died on their ability to decide if a berry / fruit was ripe or not. Those who could recognise shades of red and pink survived. Marketing may play on that but it is not the cause. My daughter might like pink but heaven help anyone who tried to pigeon hole her.
Sven the stupid. If he had any grey matter he would realise why females ( not all I grant you ) have a propensity towards pink. Our hunter gatherer history lives with us today as females lived or died on their ability to decide if a berry / fruit was ripe or not. Those who could recognise shades of red and pink survived. Marketing may play on that but it is not the cause. My daughter might like pink but heaven help anyone who tried to pigeon hole her. Dealing with idiots
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1:20pm Fri 23 Nov 12

9 of us says...

For she invented, medicinal compound
Most efficacious in every case

There you go. Evidence that there is more than one way to be a girl, join a band.
For she invented, medicinal compound Most efficacious in every case There you go. Evidence that there is more than one way to be a girl, join a band. 9 of us
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1:31pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Wiggsy says...

"........and things that aren’t real" - presumably Mr Rufus will also be contacting all those companies which sell/promote anything that isn't true life/fact based?

Its unlikely Halfords will selling ANY bikes in B&H due to the fact customers will be shopping where the parking is either free or reduced.
"........and things that aren’t real" - presumably Mr Rufus will also be contacting all those companies which sell/promote anything that isn't true life/fact based? Its unlikely Halfords will selling ANY bikes in B&H due to the fact customers will be shopping where the parking is either free or reduced. Wiggsy
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1:33pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

Just checked some photos of my sister (born 1963) in the 70's as a child and there is pink EVERYWHERE in her bedroom and her clothes

Again this proves the snot Greens are madder than Mad Jack McMad from Madshire.
Just checked some photos of my sister (born 1963) in the 70's as a child and there is pink EVERYWHERE in her bedroom and her clothes Again this proves the snot Greens are madder than Mad Jack McMad from Madshire. Algeria Touchshriek
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1:34pm Fri 23 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

Oh Jesus please people we have to get rid of idiots like this. People like Sven have no place in Brighton council, I'm just pleased that he clearly has nothing more urgent to deal with than this. What a dick.
Oh Jesus please people we have to get rid of idiots like this. People like Sven have no place in Brighton council, I'm just pleased that he clearly has nothing more urgent to deal with than this. What a dick. AmboGuy
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1:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12

TrevorA says...

Reading all of the above comments, It is clear from the responses, how the public view Comrade Rufus and his peculier bunch of green marxist cronies, who are currently mismanaging Brighton & Hove city council.When you weigh up their track record to date, I am not sure whether they are just a bunch of spoilt brats who make ridiculous statements as a form of attention seeking, or perhaps they really are all barking mad. "Pink bikes" indeed!
Reading all of the above comments, It is clear from the responses, how the public view Comrade Rufus and his peculier bunch of green marxist cronies, who are currently mismanaging Brighton & Hove city council.When you weigh up their track record to date, I am not sure whether they are just a bunch of spoilt brats who make ridiculous statements as a form of attention seeking, or perhaps they really are all barking mad. "Pink bikes" indeed! TrevorA
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1:47pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Palace of Wisdom says...

Seriously?! This guy is local goverment backed to waste his time and by proxy our resources on petty non-issues like this. And people wonder why the greens get so much stick.
Seriously?! This guy is local goverment backed to waste his time and by proxy our resources on petty non-issues like this. And people wonder why the greens get so much stick. Palace of Wisdom
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1:53pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Dealing with idiots says...

E-petition on the B&H website for a vote of no confidence in the current administration and for the forming of a coalition until the next local election. If you care about the city and want to get rid of these weasly ( sorry if that was weaslyist ) amateurs then sign the petition. Surely there are 1250 angry people out there who will support us and get this discussed at full council.

http://present.brigh
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E-petition on the B&H website for a vote of no confidence in the current administration and for the forming of a coalition until the next local election. If you care about the city and want to get rid of these weasly ( sorry if that was weaslyist ) amateurs then sign the petition. Surely there are 1250 angry people out there who will support us and get this discussed at full council. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=59884 54&$LO$=1 Dealing with idiots
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1:57pm Fri 23 Nov 12

decideformyself says...

You are all talking about the colour - the article says he is not complaining about pink being aimed at girls it is also this CATEGORISING OF BEHAVIOUR - The company says girls who ride its bikes will be “sweet as cupcakes surrounded by pink and sprinkles” while boys are encouraged to “charge through the jungle” on two wheels.

This is what infuriates many parents including me. Girls are encouraged everywhere they look to have no greater ambition than being sweet and pretty and princesses whilst boys are encouraged to explore, have adventures and make discoveries. Of course there were pink bedrooms in the 70s but what there wasn't was just a pink version and a blue version of every toy and then a set of values as to what you should be attached to them.

Being on a bike is not about being as sweet as cupcakes - it is about exploring and having fun - being adventurous - charging around -in jeans and trainers and covered in mud - but not only boys are encouraged to fo this! Bikes with pink streamers attached! Even bikes are being made gentle for girls.The constant message all around for girls is be sweet, have no ambition, think about beauty not brains, and that halfords statement is both typical and hideous. Everywhere is girls being princesses and boys being pirates. There are a huge number of parents who are sick to the back teeth of this and feel that all children deserve better.

This IS all on the back of marketing - if you make two colours only and attribute behavious to them, then the girl won't want her older brothers blue scooter and vice versa. Whereas if is e.g a red scooter then the parents only have to by one scooter for their two children. Why do you think blue and pink is so prevalent nowadays and it is really hard to get other colours? This wasn't the case in the seventies - I had the same set of lego as my brothers - now there is lego friends! pink and purple lego aimed at girls where the lego world is full of hairdressers, cafes, and yes you guessed it, cupcakes! Where are the fire stations in lego friends? Where are the scientists? Where are the Policemen? They are all over in the stuff targeted at boys!

Enough is enough.
You are all talking about the colour - the article says he is not complaining about pink being aimed at girls it is also this CATEGORISING OF BEHAVIOUR - The company says girls who ride its bikes will be “sweet as cupcakes surrounded by pink and sprinkles” while boys are encouraged to “charge through the jungle” on two wheels. This is what infuriates many parents including me. Girls are encouraged everywhere they look to have no greater ambition than being sweet and pretty and princesses whilst boys are encouraged to explore, have adventures and make discoveries. Of course there were pink bedrooms in the 70s but what there wasn't was just a pink version and a blue version of every toy and then a set of values as to what you should be attached to them. Being on a bike is not about being as sweet as cupcakes - it is about exploring and having fun - being adventurous - charging around -in jeans and trainers and covered in mud - but not only boys are encouraged to fo this! Bikes with pink streamers attached! Even bikes are being made gentle for girls.The constant message all around for girls is be sweet, have no ambition, think about beauty not brains, and that halfords statement is both typical and hideous. Everywhere is girls being princesses and boys being pirates. There are a huge number of parents who are sick to the back teeth of this and feel that all children deserve better. This IS all on the back of marketing - if you make two colours only and attribute behavious to them, then the girl won't want her older brothers blue scooter and vice versa. Whereas if is e.g a red scooter then the parents only have to by one scooter for their two children. Why do you think blue and pink is so prevalent nowadays and it is really hard to get other colours? This wasn't the case in the seventies - I had the same set of lego as my brothers - now there is lego friends! pink and purple lego aimed at girls where the lego world is full of hairdressers, cafes, and yes you guessed it, cupcakes! Where are the fire stations in lego friends? Where are the scientists? Where are the Policemen? They are all over in the stuff targeted at boys! Enough is enough. decideformyself
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1:59pm Fri 23 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan.

Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.
I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them. HJarrs
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2:01pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Greens STOP dictating to us how to lead our lives and stop dabbling in irrelevancies
You were elected by the people to listen to our views and issues not your own agendas.
Did you not understand what the role of being a councillor was?
And Sven, will you be asking Halfords to remove crossbars from bikes to make them non gender specific?
No wonder you are 'self employed' as you are also self-interested.
Greens STOP dictating to us how to lead our lives and stop dabbling in irrelevancies You were elected by the people to listen to our views and issues not your own agendas. Did you not understand what the role of being a councillor was? And Sven, will you be asking Halfords to remove crossbars from bikes to make them non gender specific? No wonder you are 'self employed' as you are also self-interested. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:14pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

I'm desperate to see a photo of this woeful councillor SLAM a pink bike. It is bike wrestling?
I'm desperate to see a photo of this woeful councillor SLAM a pink bike. It is bike wrestling? Ballroom Blitz
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2:20pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

....and if you think that the marketing of pink bikes is the reason why young women have challenges in the workplace, you are way out of your depth of understanding of women and the modern workplace.
Sven, get a job, employ women and show your daughter a good example of a good employer instead of opening her up to ridicule.
....and if you think that the marketing of pink bikes is the reason why young women have challenges in the workplace, you are way out of your depth of understanding of women and the modern workplace. Sven, get a job, employ women and show your daughter a good example of a good employer instead of opening her up to ridicule. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:27pm Fri 23 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

HJarrs wrote:
I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan.

Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.
It's hardly the dark ages though is it? Children DO have a choice, you give them less credit than they deserve if you think that they won't pick the colour that they want to have.

As for the multi-poster at work? There are so many people who live in B&H who are utterly sick of this loony Green council we have that you can't just dismiss public opinion as being only down to a few people.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.[/p][/quote]It's hardly the dark ages though is it? Children DO have a choice, you give them less credit than they deserve if you think that they won't pick the colour that they want to have. As for the multi-poster at work? There are so many people who live in B&H who are utterly sick of this loony Green council we have that you can't just dismiss public opinion as being only down to a few people. AmboGuy
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2:32pm Fri 23 Nov 12

decideformyself says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Greens STOP dictating to us how to lead our lives and stop dabbling in irrelevancies
You were elected by the people to listen to our views and issues not your own agendas.
Did you not understand what the role of being a councillor was?
And Sven, will you be asking Halfords to remove crossbars from bikes to make them non gender specific?
No wonder you are 'self employed' as you are also self-interested.
This was nothing to do with his role as Councillor - he makes that clear on his twitter account - it was done in a personal capacity, but the Argus has its own agenda and likes to turn everything into a political slanging match and make it seem like he was doing it as a councillor, especially by getting a quote from another Councillor. Its a shame because the majority of posts aren't about the topic so much as just bashing the Green party in general as a result.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Greens STOP dictating to us how to lead our lives and stop dabbling in irrelevancies You were elected by the people to listen to our views and issues not your own agendas. Did you not understand what the role of being a councillor was? And Sven, will you be asking Halfords to remove crossbars from bikes to make them non gender specific? No wonder you are 'self employed' as you are also self-interested.[/p][/quote]This was nothing to do with his role as Councillor - he makes that clear on his twitter account - it was done in a personal capacity, but the Argus has its own agenda and likes to turn everything into a political slanging match and make it seem like he was doing it as a councillor, especially by getting a quote from another Councillor. Its a shame because the majority of posts aren't about the topic so much as just bashing the Green party in general as a result. decideformyself
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2:32pm Fri 23 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

There you go Sven, apparently you are a bit of a nutter because you don't think large companies (whose only interest is to make money) should be sterotyping what your daughter should be doing or her outlook on life.

Next will be telling us that your daughter should have the vote at 18 and equal rights and opportunities.
There you go Sven, apparently you are a bit of a nutter because you don't think large companies (whose only interest is to make money) should be sterotyping what your daughter should be doing or her outlook on life. Next will be telling us that your daughter should have the vote at 18 and equal rights and opportunities. HJarrs
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2:39pm Fri 23 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

HJarrs wrote:
There you go Sven, apparently you are a bit of a nutter because you don't think large companies (whose only interest is to make money) should be sterotyping what your daughter should be doing or her outlook on life.

Next will be telling us that your daughter should have the vote at 18 and equal rights and opportunities.
Sigh.

Never mind, some people will just never get it will they.

Your love of The Greens blinds you to what a load of fruit loops they really are.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: There you go Sven, apparently you are a bit of a nutter because you don't think large companies (whose only interest is to make money) should be sterotyping what your daughter should be doing or her outlook on life. Next will be telling us that your daughter should have the vote at 18 and equal rights and opportunities.[/p][/quote]Sigh. Never mind, some people will just never get it will they. Your love of The Greens blinds you to what a load of fruit loops they really are. AmboGuy
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2:39pm Fri 23 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

AmboGuy wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.
It's hardly the dark ages though is it? Children DO have a choice, you give them less credit than they deserve if you think that they won't pick the colour that they want to have. As for the multi-poster at work? There are so many people who live in B&H who are utterly sick of this loony Green council we have that you can't just dismiss public opinion as being only down to a few people.
Yes, they have choice; girl = pink, boy = blue. How about you google boys toys and girls toys. One is a sea of pink products almost to the exclusion of everyting else. I wonder which gender that might be?

And since when did the Argus comments board represent public opinion?
[quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.[/p][/quote]It's hardly the dark ages though is it? Children DO have a choice, you give them less credit than they deserve if you think that they won't pick the colour that they want to have. As for the multi-poster at work? There are so many people who live in B&H who are utterly sick of this loony Green council we have that you can't just dismiss public opinion as being only down to a few people.[/p][/quote]Yes, they have choice; girl = pink, boy = blue. How about you google boys toys and girls toys. One is a sea of pink products almost to the exclusion of everyting else. I wonder which gender that might be? And since when did the Argus comments board represent public opinion? HJarrs
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2:53pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Well I'm surprised he has time to have his own personal life if he actually dealt with all the issues the people in the city want dealt with.
It's like talking to a brick wall.
And if you lot think that the colour of bikes and gender stereotyping are what is holding women back in the workplace, then you need to get yourself into UK industry because it's much more complex.
Well I'm surprised he has time to have his own personal life if he actually dealt with all the issues the people in the city want dealt with. It's like talking to a brick wall. And if you lot think that the colour of bikes and gender stereotyping are what is holding women back in the workplace, then you need to get yourself into UK industry because it's much more complex. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:57pm Fri 23 Nov 12

decideformyself says...

http://walden22.net/
2012/11/23/on-gender
-stereotyping/

"I wrote the letter below to Halfords, and to their credit I got a fairly positive reply (follows my letter below). They responded by saying that they get some good feedback from parents about their bike range, but that I raise some interesting points and they would ask marketing to look at the way they categorise bikes. I think this is as much as I could have hoped for, and being quite pleased with that reaction I tweeted about it. It was these tweets that attracted the attention of the Argus.

Two things for now – I’ll write at greater length about the issues of gender stereotyping and pigeonholing by marketeers in another post soon. First of all, I want to make it clear that I am grateful to Halfords for, at least so far, approaching my complaint in a positive light, and with an apparent willingness to take on board my comments. In that context, the headline of the article, that I ‘Slammed’ Halfords is really unhelpful, not to mention inaccurate. Secondly, I am particularly annoyed that the issue has been made into a party political one – I was writing in a personal capacity as an ordinary member of the public, not as a representative of the Green Party, and that was clear to the Argus before they published it, so to go to opposition Councillors was inappropriate, and completely changes the tone and significance of the story that they could have written."
http://walden22.net/ 2012/11/23/on-gender -stereotyping/ "I wrote the letter below to Halfords, and to their credit I got a fairly positive reply (follows my letter below). They responded by saying that they get some good feedback from parents about their bike range, but that I raise some interesting points and they would ask marketing to look at the way they categorise bikes. I think this is as much as I could have hoped for, and being quite pleased with that reaction I tweeted about it. It was these tweets that attracted the attention of the Argus. Two things for now – I’ll write at greater length about the issues of gender stereotyping and pigeonholing by marketeers in another post soon. First of all, I want to make it clear that I am grateful to Halfords for, at least so far, approaching my complaint in a positive light, and with an apparent willingness to take on board my comments. In that context, the headline of the article, that I ‘Slammed’ Halfords is really unhelpful, not to mention inaccurate. Secondly, I am particularly annoyed that the issue has been made into a party political one – I was writing in a personal capacity as an ordinary member of the public, not as a representative of the Green Party, and that was clear to the Argus before they published it, so to go to opposition Councillors was inappropriate, and completely changes the tone and significance of the story that they could have written." decideformyself
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3:01pm Fri 23 Nov 12

jamus77 says...

Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy.

If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror.

Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century.

BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.
Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy. If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror. Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century. BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering. jamus77
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3:07pm Fri 23 Nov 12

AmboGuy says...

HJarrs wrote:
AmboGuy wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.
It's hardly the dark ages though is it? Children DO have a choice, you give them less credit than they deserve if you think that they won't pick the colour that they want to have. As for the multi-poster at work? There are so many people who live in B&H who are utterly sick of this loony Green council we have that you can't just dismiss public opinion as being only down to a few people.
Yes, they have choice; girl = pink, boy = blue. How about you google boys toys and girls toys. One is a sea of pink products almost to the exclusion of everyting else. I wonder which gender that might be?

And since when did the Argus comments board represent public opinion?
Well how about a girl buying a blue bike and a boy buying a pink one?

Your main issue with Halfords seems to be the lack of different colours available for anyone. Well if that's the case then I've noticed a sofa in DFS that's only available in cream so maybe you should be up in arms over that.

Fine if you want to blinker yourself to the fact that this is the most unpopular council B&H has had in years then that's up to you. When you've got Green council members openly lending their support to the violent SmashEDO marches then something is clearly very wrong. Their time here is numbered and as this is the only place in Britain they had a hope in hell of getting in then they will soon be back on the sidelines where they belong.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.[/p][/quote]It's hardly the dark ages though is it? Children DO have a choice, you give them less credit than they deserve if you think that they won't pick the colour that they want to have. As for the multi-poster at work? There are so many people who live in B&H who are utterly sick of this loony Green council we have that you can't just dismiss public opinion as being only down to a few people.[/p][/quote]Yes, they have choice; girl = pink, boy = blue. How about you google boys toys and girls toys. One is a sea of pink products almost to the exclusion of everyting else. I wonder which gender that might be? And since when did the Argus comments board represent public opinion?[/p][/quote]Well how about a girl buying a blue bike and a boy buying a pink one? Your main issue with Halfords seems to be the lack of different colours available for anyone. Well if that's the case then I've noticed a sofa in DFS that's only available in cream so maybe you should be up in arms over that. Fine if you want to blinker yourself to the fact that this is the most unpopular council B&H has had in years then that's up to you. When you've got Green council members openly lending their support to the violent SmashEDO marches then something is clearly very wrong. Their time here is numbered and as this is the only place in Britain they had a hope in hell of getting in then they will soon be back on the sidelines where they belong. AmboGuy
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3:09pm Fri 23 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

jamus77 wrote:
Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy. If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror. Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century. BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.
But it now becomes clear that this issue wasn't raised as a councillor, though I wouldn't have a problem with that, but rather was the Argus stiring it up again!

Is there a byelection soon as there seem to be a lot of knock the Greens articles again.
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy. If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror. Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century. BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.[/p][/quote]But it now becomes clear that this issue wasn't raised as a councillor, though I wouldn't have a problem with that, but rather was the Argus stiring it up again! Is there a byelection soon as there seem to be a lot of knock the Greens articles again. HJarrs
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3:28pm Fri 23 Nov 12

jamus77 says...

HJarrs wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy. If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror. Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century. BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.
But it now becomes clear that this issue wasn't raised as a councillor, though I wouldn't have a problem with that, but rather was the Argus stiring it up again!

Is there a byelection soon as there seem to be a lot of knock the Greens articles again.
But he's a councillor and he talked to the press about this issue!! That's what I meant by political naivety. Sure, the Argus reporting is tendacious and misleading, but he should have been prepared for that. The Greens need to sharpen up or they'll never get any kind of foothold in British political life.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy. If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror. Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century. BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.[/p][/quote]But it now becomes clear that this issue wasn't raised as a councillor, though I wouldn't have a problem with that, but rather was the Argus stiring it up again! Is there a byelection soon as there seem to be a lot of knock the Greens articles again.[/p][/quote]But he's a councillor and he talked to the press about this issue!! That's what I meant by political naivety. Sure, the Argus reporting is tendacious and misleading, but he should have been prepared for that. The Greens need to sharpen up or they'll never get any kind of foothold in British political life. jamus77
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3:33pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Lets not worrying about trifling things in Brighton like homelessness, poverty, unemployment and drug misuse; lets concentrate on the really important issues like pink bicycles.

Please God, somebody get rid of this incompetent, Marxist politically-correct bunch of Green loons...
Such a wonderful post.You said it all.This councillor guy just proves they are all Green loons.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: Lets not worrying about trifling things in Brighton like homelessness, poverty, unemployment and drug misuse; lets concentrate on the really important issues like pink bicycles. Please God, somebody get rid of this incompetent, Marxist politically-correct bunch of Green loons...[/p][/quote]Such a wonderful post.You said it all.This councillor guy just proves they are all Green loons. Freeloaders
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4:31pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Andyman26 says...

As Councillor Sven Rufus has a girl, what colours was she put in when born? Blue? Pink? Look around & you will see all sorts of pink items aimed at girls/women. They have been ever since whenever. Its not a new thing, neither are pink bikes. They were around when I was little in the 1970s, so why only now moan about it. How about sorting out empty properties, or the empty brick beach huts along the sea front between the piers to get more money for the council? (Im sure I could think of others) These are more pressing & important than complaining about pink bikes.
As Councillor Sven Rufus has a girl, what colours was she put in when born? Blue? Pink? Look around & you will see all sorts of pink items aimed at girls/women. They have been ever since whenever. Its not a new thing, neither are pink bikes. They were around when I was little in the 1970s, so why only now moan about it. How about sorting out empty properties, or the empty brick beach huts along the sea front between the piers to get more money for the council? (Im sure I could think of others) These are more pressing & important than complaining about pink bikes. Andyman26
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4:41pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Wattsy17 says...

All these comments are written on a blue background! Watch out Argus - Sven is coming for you!
All these comments are written on a blue background! Watch out Argus - Sven is coming for you! Wattsy17
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4:59pm Fri 23 Nov 12

george smith says...

Yep brilliant everyone should where a Meo/kitkat suit. Have one child and put to death anyone who disagrees with the them.
Yep brilliant everyone should where a Meo/kitkat suit. Have one child and put to death anyone who disagrees with the them. george smith
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5:04pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Daneboy1414 says...

What is this loser on about... we are talking about kids
I think he needs to spend his time on more useful issues being a Councillor instead of trying to make a big song & dance over nothing.
Also a hair cut wouldnt go a miss ..
What is this loser on about... we are talking about kids I think he needs to spend his time on more useful issues being a Councillor instead of trying to make a big song & dance over nothing. Also a hair cut wouldnt go a miss .. Daneboy1414
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5:04pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Daneboy1414 says...

What is this loser on about... we are talking about kids
I think he needs to spend his time on more useful issues being a Councillor instead of trying to make a big song & dance over nothing.
Also a hair cut wouldnt go a miss ..
What is this loser on about... we are talking about kids I think he needs to spend his time on more useful issues being a Councillor instead of trying to make a big song & dance over nothing. Also a hair cut wouldnt go a miss .. Daneboy1414
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5:04pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Daneboy1414 says...

What is this loser on about... we are talking about kids
I think he needs to spend his time on more useful issues being a Councillor instead of trying to make a big song & dance over nothing.
Also a hair cut wouldnt go a miss ..
What is this loser on about... we are talking about kids I think he needs to spend his time on more useful issues being a Councillor instead of trying to make a big song & dance over nothing. Also a hair cut wouldnt go a miss .. Daneboy1414
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5:14pm Fri 23 Nov 12

ajpj says...

Ha Ha .... Brighton residents,..super smooth new age progressives ... serves you **** well right, this is what you get when you'r too darn idle to think before you vote ! .. Hope they put your car parking charges up x10 & double your council tax.
Ha Ha .... Brighton residents,..super smooth new age progressives ... serves you **** well right, this is what you get when you'r too darn idle to think before you vote ! .. Hope they put your car parking charges up x10 & double your council tax. ajpj
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5:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12

keswick says...

This is the same councillor who has ignored my concerns that I have raised with him about a department of Brighton and Hove City Council. Now I know why, it is because he is concerned about the colour of a bike in a retail outlet. Funny how he has the time to make trivial complaints that make not only him but the Green Party and for that matter the city as a whole a laughing stock but not the time to deal with their constituents problems. I thought that when you put yourself up to become an elected representative of your constituency they were your first duty. Clearly not. Mr Kitkat cannot escape criticsm because I copied him in to my communication with this elected representative and he too has ignored me. I bet if I had contacted him about cycling he would have been over me like a rash the same as they will be when knocking on the door before the next election. Do the decent thing Mr Rufus, resign and step aside and lets elect someone who puts their constituents first.
This is the same councillor who has ignored my concerns that I have raised with him about a department of Brighton and Hove City Council. Now I know why, it is because he is concerned about the colour of a bike in a retail outlet. Funny how he has the time to make trivial complaints that make not only him but the Green Party and for that matter the city as a whole a laughing stock but not the time to deal with their constituents problems. I thought that when you put yourself up to become an elected representative of your constituency they were your first duty. Clearly not. Mr Kitkat cannot escape criticsm because I copied him in to my communication with this elected representative and he too has ignored me. I bet if I had contacted him about cycling he would have been over me like a rash the same as they will be when knocking on the door before the next election. Do the decent thing Mr Rufus, resign and step aside and lets elect someone who puts their constituents first. keswick
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5:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12

ourcoalition says...

Good for Sven - my local Councillor. Might not have voted for him, but it is great someone is raising these issues.
Good for Sven - my local Councillor. Might not have voted for him, but it is great someone is raising these issues. ourcoalition
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5:57pm Fri 23 Nov 12

keswick says...

decideformyself wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote: Greens STOP dictating to us how to lead our lives and stop dabbling in irrelevancies You were elected by the people to listen to our views and issues not your own agendas. Did you not understand what the role of being a councillor was? And Sven, will you be asking Halfords to remove crossbars from bikes to make them non gender specific? No wonder you are 'self employed' as you are also self-interested.
This was nothing to do with his role as Councillor - he makes that clear on his twitter account - it was done in a personal capacity, but the Argus has its own agenda and likes to turn everything into a political slanging match and make it seem like he was doing it as a councillor, especially by getting a quote from another Councillor. Its a shame because the majority of posts aren't about the topic so much as just bashing the Green party in general as a result.
The reason that the majority of posts on here are seen as "bashing the Green Party" is simple. The majority of people in this city are fed up with them and how they are systematically destroying the city and want them out. If there was an election next week would they get back in ? The answer to that is that it is as likely as the Liberal Democrats winning the next General Election.
[quote][p][bold]decideformyself[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Greens STOP dictating to us how to lead our lives and stop dabbling in irrelevancies You were elected by the people to listen to our views and issues not your own agendas. Did you not understand what the role of being a councillor was? And Sven, will you be asking Halfords to remove crossbars from bikes to make them non gender specific? No wonder you are 'self employed' as you are also self-interested.[/p][/quote]This was nothing to do with his role as Councillor - he makes that clear on his twitter account - it was done in a personal capacity, but the Argus has its own agenda and likes to turn everything into a political slanging match and make it seem like he was doing it as a councillor, especially by getting a quote from another Councillor. Its a shame because the majority of posts aren't about the topic so much as just bashing the Green party in general as a result.[/p][/quote]The reason that the majority of posts on here are seen as "bashing the Green Party" is simple. The majority of people in this city are fed up with them and how they are systematically destroying the city and want them out. If there was an election next week would they get back in ? The answer to that is that it is as likely as the Liberal Democrats winning the next General Election. keswick
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6:07pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

The problem is this long greasy hair buffoon will read all these negative comments and probably think he is great.

He should have some dignity and resign. Or maybe move to a town that will appreciate him like Onesville!

Blethering idiot.
The problem is this long greasy hair buffoon will read all these negative comments and probably think he is great. He should have some dignity and resign. Or maybe move to a town that will appreciate him like Onesville! Blethering idiot. Algeria Touchshriek
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6:37pm Fri 23 Nov 12

george smith says...

ajpj wrote:
Ha Ha .... Brighton residents,..super smooth new age progressives ... serves you **** well right, this is what you get when you'r too darn idle to think before you vote ! .. Hope they put your car parking charges up x10 & double your council tax.
We didn't vote for them; those who did have probably graduated and are now back in the shires with ma and pa, doing a terribly interesting internship in a media company
[quote][p][bold]ajpj[/bold] wrote: Ha Ha .... Brighton residents,..super smooth new age progressives ... serves you **** well right, this is what you get when you'r too darn idle to think before you vote ! .. Hope they put your car parking charges up x10 & double your council tax.[/p][/quote]We didn't vote for them; those who did have probably graduated and are now back in the shires with ma and pa, doing a terribly interesting internship in a media company george smith
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6:37pm Fri 23 Nov 12

birthofanorange says...

Hahaha!! You have to love stuff like this. I truly believe that people like this have no real life and need to come up with sh!t like this to be noticed.
*slurp*
Hahaha!! You have to love stuff like this. I truly believe that people like this have no real life and need to come up with sh!t like this to be noticed. *slurp* birthofanorange
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7:20pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Morpheus says...

He should move on and stop shops selling pink rock. It encourages girls to put pink things in their mouth.
He should move on and stop shops selling pink rock. It encourages girls to put pink things in their mouth. Morpheus
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8:27pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Sussex jim says...

There you go, HJarrs, this Sven Rufus must be from the dark ages. He looks as though he's just turned up on a film set to be an extra in Robin Hood. Probably with an IQ to match.
There you go, HJarrs, this Sven Rufus must be from the dark ages. He looks as though he's just turned up on a film set to be an extra in Robin Hood. Probably with an IQ to match. Sussex jim
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11:03pm Fri 23 Nov 12

General Dreedle says...

Excellent. Another classic to add to the Green's ten comandments for how we should live our lives as they fiddle whilst Rome burns:
1. Thou shalt not eat meat on Monday.
2. Thou shalt not play the National lottery for tis bad for the working class who cannot be trusted to spend their money responsibly.
3. Thou shalt not burn yuletide logs at the time formerly known as Christmas.
4. Thou shalt not refer to each other as Mr or Mrs for thou art gender neutral and it is an abomination to two citizens and the Lord Phelim.
5. Thou shalt not use thy car unless thou is rich and can afford to park it.
6. Thou shalt not attend Farmers Markets for they are the crucibles of speciesism a discrimination akin to racism and homophobia (this commandment to be phased in by 2016).
7. Thou shalt not use money save for the Brighton Pound and otherwise return to the barter system for Caroline delights in clean exchanges amongst the self-rightous.
8. Thou shalt ride thy bike the wrong way down one-way streets for the laws of the road do not apply to thou and Jason shall rise up and apply his laws to his people and smite the petrolheads.
9. Thou shalt not place thy daughters on Pink Bicyles.
Excellent. Another classic to add to the Green's ten comandments for how we should live our lives as they fiddle whilst Rome burns: 1. Thou shalt not eat meat on Monday. 2. Thou shalt not play the National lottery for tis bad for the working class who cannot be trusted to spend their money responsibly. 3. Thou shalt not burn yuletide logs at the time formerly known as Christmas. 4. Thou shalt not refer to each other as Mr or Mrs for thou art gender neutral and it is an abomination to two citizens and the Lord Phelim. 5. Thou shalt not use thy car unless thou is rich and can afford to park it. 6. Thou shalt not attend Farmers Markets for they are the crucibles of speciesism a discrimination akin to racism and homophobia (this commandment to be phased in by 2016). 7. Thou shalt not use money save for the Brighton Pound and otherwise return to the barter system for Caroline delights in clean exchanges amongst the self-rightous. 8. Thou shalt ride thy bike the wrong way down one-way streets for the laws of the road do not apply to thou and Jason shall rise up and apply his laws to his people and smite the petrolheads. 9. Thou shalt not place thy daughters on Pink Bicyles. General Dreedle
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11:38pm Fri 23 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

Very good General D.

Why oh why oh why do we have these muppets here.

Utter, utter hate filled party.
Very good General D. Why oh why oh why do we have these muppets here. Utter, utter hate filled party. Algeria Touchshriek
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11:57pm Fri 23 Nov 12

qm says...

Undoubtable a prize jerk but the scary bit is that some of you out there actually voted for him. There is a cancer of idiocy in our midst!
Undoubtable a prize jerk but the scary bit is that some of you out there actually voted for him. There is a cancer of idiocy in our midst! qm
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2:13am Sat 24 Nov 12

Struggler says...

I seriously can not believe this. I am sure there must be lots more important things to worry about than some trivial nonsense like that, perhaps the dear councillor would like to complain next about the amount of raisins in a fruit loaf what an utter horrid little muppet I really give up with this country. How come all the most idiotic and useless people with the least bit of understanding how actual life works as opposed to in their ivory towers get voted to be in power?? They mess the whole system up destroy many peoples lifes or livelyhoods in the process and then show not an ounce of understanding or compassion. They really live on another planet and have no idea but I doubt that anything will ever change as long as there are people stupid enough to let these fools get away with it all. After all british people are way to lazy to get of their arse and do something about it as long as we have drink,footy and x factor we cant be bothered to get involved right?? To be honest it doesnt matter who is in power or who you vote for,what colour they are or what tunes they are playing they are all the same and sooner or later we all end up with the same rubbish as before sad but true. What this country needs is REAL change and somebody useful,honest that cares about the country not another snout in the bucket or in cloud cookoo land my honest opinion? more chance of winning the lottery lol
I seriously can not believe this. I am sure there must be lots more important things to worry about than some trivial nonsense like that, perhaps the dear councillor would like to complain next about the amount of raisins in a fruit loaf what an utter horrid little muppet I really give up with this country. How come all the most idiotic and useless people with the least bit of understanding how actual life works as opposed to in their ivory towers get voted to be in power?? They mess the whole system up destroy many peoples lifes or livelyhoods in the process and then show not an ounce of understanding or compassion. They really live on another planet and have no idea but I doubt that anything will ever change as long as there are people stupid enough to let these fools get away with it all. After all british people are way to lazy to get of their arse and do something about it as long as we have drink,footy and x factor we cant be bothered to get involved right?? To be honest it doesnt matter who is in power or who you vote for,what colour they are or what tunes they are playing they are all the same and sooner or later we all end up with the same rubbish as before sad but true. What this country needs is REAL change and somebody useful,honest that cares about the country not another snout in the bucket or in cloud cookoo land my honest opinion? more chance of winning the lottery lol Struggler
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4:02am Sat 24 Nov 12

Dirk Von Roden says...

Sven you got it wrong on this! my daughter 29 years of age Drives a pink car exterior and interior! my grandaughter who happens to be a tomboy! wants a pink bike for Christmas By the way her mother is a Soldier!!! If you are in business then your business caters for the demands ! other wise they would not be in Business for long (As I think the Greens will find out first hand at the next election!!!)
Sven you got it wrong on this! my daughter 29 years of age Drives a pink car exterior and interior! my grandaughter who happens to be a tomboy! wants a pink bike for Christmas By the way her mother is a Soldier!!! If you are in business then your business caters for the demands ! other wise they would not be in Business for long (As I think the Greens will find out first hand at the next election!!!) Dirk Von Roden
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4:28am Sat 24 Nov 12

Dirk Von Roden says...

As much as I dislike what is happening in this city ! I have seen things done that I agree with and things that I disagree with! it can not all be blamed on the Green party! and as much as I think Sven has got it wrong , I do not believe that gives anyone on here or any other social network the right to have a personal attack at how he looks or whether that poster thinks he needs a bath or not! I dislike the green party but that does not mean I dislike the councillors! they have a job to do and I am sure it is hard enough without spouting bile at them! write what you like about the party but do not be personal about their representatives ! it is not only bad form , It is childish and petty! after reading some of the above I think I would vote green out of sympathy!
As much as I dislike what is happening in this city ! I have seen things done that I agree with and things that I disagree with! it can not all be blamed on the Green party! and as much as I think Sven has got it wrong , I do not believe that gives anyone on here or any other social network the right to have a personal attack at how he looks or whether that poster thinks he needs a bath or not! I dislike the green party but that does not mean I dislike the councillors! they have a job to do and I am sure it is hard enough without spouting bile at them! write what you like about the party but do not be personal about their representatives ! it is not only bad form , It is childish and petty! after reading some of the above I think I would vote green out of sympathy! Dirk Von Roden
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9:35am Sat 24 Nov 12

redwing says...

Of course the pink thing goes back decades, but the steep rise of it of late is clearly a backlash reaction to the feminist gains of the 60s and 70s, coupled with increased marketisation and consumerism generally (i.e. theres a heck of a lot more ads to see/hear these days).
Pink has not always been associated strongly with girls. At times/other places it seems it's been the other way around. The 'red berry' theory mentioned above has been discredited as bad science, as has the one where adults were tested for their preferences and the results extrapolated to children.
If all this "pink for girls" stuff is so trivial, it's odd that so many people are jumping up and down here about it to have their say.
You can't exploit/put down a group (here it's girls/women) unless you create a false difference from the rest. That's the purpose of the 'pink for girls' message, so it's hardly a trivial matter.
Of course the pink thing goes back decades, but the steep rise of it of late is clearly a backlash reaction to the feminist gains of the 60s and 70s, coupled with increased marketisation and consumerism generally (i.e. theres a heck of a lot more ads to see/hear these days). Pink has not always been associated strongly with girls. At times/other places it seems it's been the other way around. The 'red berry' theory mentioned above has been discredited as bad science, as has the one where adults were tested for their preferences and the results extrapolated to children. If all this "pink for girls" stuff is so trivial, it's odd that so many people are jumping up and down here about it to have their say. You can't exploit/put down a group (here it's girls/women) unless you create a false difference from the rest. That's the purpose of the 'pink for girls' message, so it's hardly a trivial matter. redwing
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10:01am Sat 24 Nov 12

qm says...

I'm back, this burk has irritated me so much!!
If he is so against pink being associated with the feminine gender, how does he feel about things such as "The Pink Charity Run" in support of breast cancer awareness and treatment? Would he ban "Pink Science"?
Methinks you've opened a can of worms, are a prime candidate for a Darwin Award and need to explain yourself!!!
Oh, and in Belgium, it's pink for boys!!
I'm back, this burk has irritated me so much!! If he is so against pink being associated with the feminine gender, how does he feel about things such as "The Pink Charity Run" in support of breast cancer awareness and treatment? Would he ban "Pink Science"? Methinks you've opened a can of worms, are a prime candidate for a Darwin Award and need to explain yourself!!! Oh, and in Belgium, it's pink for boys!! qm
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10:09am Sat 24 Nov 12

den2il says...

I'm embarrassed that my local councillor is concerned about a store selling pink bikes.

He should be concerned about those large white vehicles with 2 wheels on that turn up when they want during the summer in Stanmer and the surrounding area.
I'm embarrassed that my local councillor is concerned about a store selling pink bikes. He should be concerned about those large white vehicles with 2 wheels on that turn up when they want during the summer in Stanmer and the surrounding area. den2il
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12:20pm Sat 24 Nov 12

jub says...

Hafords role is to retail product, the promotion of those products is a marketing and advertising formula established through usage, research, market trends and preferences. They do not waste budgets on experimenting with what might work for them to generate sales they will go with what ensures the best possible opportunity. And that is that the female segment of the market - in this instance young girls - is drawn to PINK! It is a like it or not scenario. It is not gender influencing or categorising or pigeon holing it is what the customer wants - and its Christmas. So despite the opinions of a seriously sad politicised individual pink items will always be attractive to a majority of the female audience but other colours are available.
Hafords role is to retail product, the promotion of those products is a marketing and advertising formula established through usage, research, market trends and preferences. They do not waste budgets on experimenting with what might work for them to generate sales they will go with what ensures the best possible opportunity. And that is that the female segment of the market - in this instance young girls - is drawn to PINK! It is a like it or not scenario. It is not gender influencing or categorising or pigeon holing it is what the customer wants - and its Christmas. So despite the opinions of a seriously sad politicised individual pink items will always be attractive to a majority of the female audience but other colours are available. jub
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1:41pm Sat 24 Nov 12

martyt says...

decideformyself wrote:
You are all talking about the colour - the article says he is not complaining about pink being aimed at girls it is also this CATEGORISING OF BEHAVIOUR - The company says girls who ride its bikes will be “sweet as cupcakes surrounded by pink and sprinkles” while boys are encouraged to “charge through the jungle” on two wheels.

This is what infuriates many parents including me. Girls are encouraged everywhere they look to have no greater ambition than being sweet and pretty and princesses whilst boys are encouraged to explore, have adventures and make discoveries. Of course there were pink bedrooms in the 70s but what there wasn't was just a pink version and a blue version of every toy and then a set of values as to what you should be attached to them.

Being on a bike is not about being as sweet as cupcakes - it is about exploring and having fun - being adventurous - charging around -in jeans and trainers and covered in mud - but not only boys are encouraged to fo this! Bikes with pink streamers attached! Even bikes are being made gentle for girls.The constant message all around for girls is be sweet, have no ambition, think about beauty not brains, and that halfords statement is both typical and hideous. Everywhere is girls being princesses and boys being pirates. There are a huge number of parents who are sick to the back teeth of this and feel that all children deserve better.

This IS all on the back of marketing - if you make two colours only and attribute behavious to them, then the girl won't want her older brothers blue scooter and vice versa. Whereas if is e.g a red scooter then the parents only have to by one scooter for their two children. Why do you think blue and pink is so prevalent nowadays and it is really hard to get other colours? This wasn't the case in the seventies - I had the same set of lego as my brothers - now there is lego friends! pink and purple lego aimed at girls where the lego world is full of hairdressers, cafes, and yes you guessed it, cupcakes! Where are the fire stations in lego friends? Where are the scientists? Where are the Policemen? They are all over in the stuff targeted at boys!

Enough is enough.
i got a pain in my eyes a few lines in and stopped reading your rant ,my little girls are/have gone through the pink bit my sons are in the blue bit ,but a colour is a colour you might be better off teaching you kids to treat every one the same as there is a whole rainbow of colours out there ,first and foremost kids need to be taught respect for others no matter what colour of the rainbow they are ,next you will want mummy s to give there girls away at there wedding
[quote][p][bold]decideformyself[/bold] wrote: You are all talking about the colour - the article says he is not complaining about pink being aimed at girls it is also this CATEGORISING OF BEHAVIOUR - The company says girls who ride its bikes will be “sweet as cupcakes surrounded by pink and sprinkles” while boys are encouraged to “charge through the jungle” on two wheels. This is what infuriates many parents including me. Girls are encouraged everywhere they look to have no greater ambition than being sweet and pretty and princesses whilst boys are encouraged to explore, have adventures and make discoveries. Of course there were pink bedrooms in the 70s but what there wasn't was just a pink version and a blue version of every toy and then a set of values as to what you should be attached to them. Being on a bike is not about being as sweet as cupcakes - it is about exploring and having fun - being adventurous - charging around -in jeans and trainers and covered in mud - but not only boys are encouraged to fo this! Bikes with pink streamers attached! Even bikes are being made gentle for girls.The constant message all around for girls is be sweet, have no ambition, think about beauty not brains, and that halfords statement is both typical and hideous. Everywhere is girls being princesses and boys being pirates. There are a huge number of parents who are sick to the back teeth of this and feel that all children deserve better. This IS all on the back of marketing - if you make two colours only and attribute behavious to them, then the girl won't want her older brothers blue scooter and vice versa. Whereas if is e.g a red scooter then the parents only have to by one scooter for their two children. Why do you think blue and pink is so prevalent nowadays and it is really hard to get other colours? This wasn't the case in the seventies - I had the same set of lego as my brothers - now there is lego friends! pink and purple lego aimed at girls where the lego world is full of hairdressers, cafes, and yes you guessed it, cupcakes! Where are the fire stations in lego friends? Where are the scientists? Where are the Policemen? They are all over in the stuff targeted at boys! Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]i got a pain in my eyes a few lines in and stopped reading your rant ,my little girls are/have gone through the pink bit my sons are in the blue bit ,but a colour is a colour you might be better off teaching you kids to treat every one the same as there is a whole rainbow of colours out there ,first and foremost kids need to be taught respect for others no matter what colour of the rainbow they are ,next you will want mummy s to give there girls away at there wedding martyt
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1:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

martyt says...

jamus77 wrote:
Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy.

If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror.

Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century.

BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.
all my children bake cupcakes and dont mind getting dirty in the garden ,but when they choose a colour to wear my girls head to the pinks ect and my son to blues and dark colours ,i my self own some very nice pink shirts ,that my sons think are for girls , lets all just buy white or would offend half the world ?
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: Yet again I find myself in total agreement with a green councillor, BUT left questioning their priorities/political savvy. If anyone thinks girls have a natural proclivity towards the colour pink and boys have a natural proclivity towards blue they need to look at themselves in the mirror. Likewise this appalling gender stereotyping of girls and cupcakes and boys as tough guys is unbelievably depressing in the 21st Century. BUT there are more important things for councillors to be concerning themselves with. The political naivety of this bunch is staggering.[/p][/quote]all my children bake cupcakes and dont mind getting dirty in the garden ,but when they choose a colour to wear my girls head to the pinks ect and my son to blues and dark colours ,i my self own some very nice pink shirts ,that my sons think are for girls , lets all just buy white or would offend half the world ? martyt
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1:51pm Sat 24 Nov 12

martyt says...

to be honest im sick seen all this green bashing as you the voter put them in ,i can say its not my fault as i for one did not vote green ,so stop whining and get them out next vote !!!
to be honest im sick seen all this green bashing as you the voter put them in ,i can say its not my fault as i for one did not vote green ,so stop whining and get them out next vote !!! martyt
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5:31pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Roundbill says...

All you commenters who've posted above, in favour of kids' bikes that aren't gender- specific: you've just been noticed by Halfords' marketing people. Your offspring are now the target market for the chainstore's next "...because girls are heros, too" strategy.
You're under siege, guys. Good luck ;-)
All you commenters who've posted above, in favour of kids' bikes that aren't gender- specific: you've just been noticed by Halfords' marketing people. Your offspring are now the target market for the chainstore's next "...because girls are heros, too" strategy. You're under siege, guys. Good luck ;-) Roundbill
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5:55pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Roundbill says...

*heroes
Obviously.
*heroes Obviously. Roundbill
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6:16pm Sat 24 Nov 12

KarenT says...

Kids have no bloody imagination these days - mindless trend followers the lot of 'em. I was a little girl once and I had a green bike, and it was dead cool. Pink is wet!
Kids have no bloody imagination these days - mindless trend followers the lot of 'em. I was a little girl once and I had a green bike, and it was dead cool. Pink is wet! KarenT
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6:21pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Wivvy Dave says...

Pink bikes are not for girls. So come on Mr Green, who are pony tails for?
Pink bikes are not for girls. So come on Mr Green, who are pony tails for? Wivvy Dave
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6:44pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Roundbill says...

Wivvy Dave wrote:
Pink bikes are not for girls. So come on Mr Green, who are pony tails for?
that's not a pony tail - the mythical Rabbit of Death from Watership Down is snuggled up on his shoulder.
[quote][p][bold]Wivvy Dave [/bold] wrote: Pink bikes are not for girls. So come on Mr Green, who are pony tails for?[/p][/quote]that's not a pony tail - the mythical Rabbit of Death from Watership Down is snuggled up on his shoulder. Roundbill
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8:25pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The Baron Pepperpot says...

Although historically, in many nations, Pink was the colour for boys, and blue for girls........

It only changed in the last century.

Which suggests a pre-conditioning element......

Still, a non-story, yet a great Argus post for the trolls
Although historically, in many nations, Pink was the colour for boys, and blue for girls........ It only changed in the last century. Which suggests a pre-conditioning element...... Still, a non-story, yet a great Argus post for the trolls The Baron Pepperpot
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11:39pm Sat 24 Nov 12

davenachfan says...

Sven says "“It reinforces the idea for girls that there are certain jobs and roles they should be doing.

The colour pink is a very visible manifestation of how girls are likened to fairies and princesses and things that aren’t real."

Why have we got this obsession with pink for girls? It's big business dictating that girls need pink pushchairs, clothes and bikes. If you girl first, then have a boy, you will need to buy a completely new kit. If you had bought everything in blue or brown or red or green then you could
use it again. It's capitalism. Rise up against it.
Sven says "“It reinforces the idea for girls that there are certain jobs and roles they should be doing. The colour pink is a very visible manifestation of how girls are likened to fairies and princesses and things that aren’t real." Why have we got this obsession with pink for girls? It's big business dictating that girls need pink pushchairs, clothes and bikes. If you girl first, then have a boy, you will need to buy a completely new kit. If you had bought everything in blue or brown or red or green then you could use it again. It's capitalism. Rise up against it. davenachfan
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12:32am Sun 25 Nov 12

mingusmonk says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Sven the stupid. If he had any grey matter he would realise why females ( not all I grant you ) have a propensity towards pink. Our hunter gatherer history lives with us today as females lived or died on their ability to decide if a berry / fruit was ripe or not. Those who could recognise shades of red and pink survived. Marketing may play on that but it is not the cause. My daughter might like pink but heaven help anyone who tried to pigeon hole her.
You don't really believe that do you? Really? I can recognise shades of red and pink and I'm a man. I can't think of any fruit or berrys that turn fairy princess pink when ripe. Probably the daftest comment I've ever read on this site.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Sven the stupid. If he had any grey matter he would realise why females ( not all I grant you ) have a propensity towards pink. Our hunter gatherer history lives with us today as females lived or died on their ability to decide if a berry / fruit was ripe or not. Those who could recognise shades of red and pink survived. Marketing may play on that but it is not the cause. My daughter might like pink but heaven help anyone who tried to pigeon hole her.[/p][/quote]You don't really believe that do you? Really? I can recognise shades of red and pink and I'm a man. I can't think of any fruit or berrys that turn fairy princess pink when ripe. Probably the daftest comment I've ever read on this site. mingusmonk
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2:49am Sun 25 Nov 12

lillylou says...

So he wants children to be gay just like the rest of Brighton I can tell jes a weirdo cos he got long hair like a girl maybe he wants a pink bike!!!
So he wants children to be gay just like the rest of Brighton I can tell jes a weirdo cos he got long hair like a girl maybe he wants a pink bike!!! lillylou
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11:03am Sun 25 Nov 12

Monterey says...

I think it's time that the council pruned it's staff to those supporting essential services only.
I think it's time that the council pruned it's staff to those supporting essential services only. Monterey
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11:05am Sun 25 Nov 12

Getreal you lot says...

You need to ask yourselves......who voted this bloke in with such pathetic principles. Concentrate on what really matters mate.
You need to ask yourselves......who voted this bloke in with such pathetic principles. Concentrate on what really matters mate. Getreal you lot
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1:27pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

Got to feel sorry for his little girl. Imagine growing up with such a hate-filled dad like that. Bless her heart.
Got to feel sorry for his little girl. Imagine growing up with such a hate-filled dad like that. Bless her heart. Algeria Touchshriek
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2:09pm Sun 25 Nov 12

The Baron Pepperpot says...

davenachfan wrote:
Sven says "“It reinforces the idea for girls that there are certain jobs and roles they should be doing.

The colour pink is a very visible manifestation of how girls are likened to fairies and princesses and things that aren’t real."

Why have we got this obsession with pink for girls? It's big business dictating that girls need pink pushchairs, clothes and bikes. If you girl first, then have a boy, you will need to buy a completely new kit. If you had bought everything in blue or brown or red or green then you could
use it again. It's capitalism. Rise up against it.
This
[quote][p][bold]davenachfan[/bold] wrote: Sven says "“It reinforces the idea for girls that there are certain jobs and roles they should be doing. The colour pink is a very visible manifestation of how girls are likened to fairies and princesses and things that aren’t real." Why have we got this obsession with pink for girls? It's big business dictating that girls need pink pushchairs, clothes and bikes. If you girl first, then have a boy, you will need to buy a completely new kit. If you had bought everything in blue or brown or red or green then you could use it again. It's capitalism. Rise up against it.[/p][/quote]This The Baron Pepperpot
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2:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

sussexram40 says...

Whether you agree with this man or not, it is good that he is true to his beliefs and principles and prepared to complain. I think his complaint is silly but I defend his right to make it and stand up for what he believes in. Shame we don't have more people in society prepared to stand up and fight against whatever they think is wrong.
Whether you agree with this man or not, it is good that he is true to his beliefs and principles and prepared to complain. I think his complaint is silly but I defend his right to make it and stand up for what he believes in. Shame we don't have more people in society prepared to stand up and fight against whatever they think is wrong. sussexram40
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3:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

NickBrt says...

All that's happening locally around poverty, alcohol abuse, crime and this idiot goes on about pink bikes. Maybe there's more mind bending drugs around that we thought. (before Sven took them all that is.)
All that's happening locally around poverty, alcohol abuse, crime and this idiot goes on about pink bikes. Maybe there's more mind bending drugs around that we thought. (before Sven took them all that is.) NickBrt
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7:28am Mon 26 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Whether you agree with this man or not, it is good that he is true to his beliefs and principles and prepared to complain. I think his complaint is silly but I defend his right to make it and stand up for what he believes in. Shame we don't have more people in society prepared to stand up and fight against whatever they think is wrong.
I agree, it's just a shame that what he chooses to protest about is such an utterly facile point. It's a sign of political weakness: if you know you can't make a difference on big issues then pick a little one and make out that it's like, y'know, really really important.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Whether you agree with this man or not, it is good that he is true to his beliefs and principles and prepared to complain. I think his complaint is silly but I defend his right to make it and stand up for what he believes in. Shame we don't have more people in society prepared to stand up and fight against whatever they think is wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, it's just a shame that what he chooses to protest about is such an utterly facile point. It's a sign of political weakness: if you know you can't make a difference on big issues then pick a little one and make out that it's like, y'know, really really important. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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9:34am Mon 26 Nov 12

davenachfan says...

Many of the comments above mention that there are more pressing and urgent issues in the world and of course in our city. I would agree, but if bikes, toys and clothing is predominantly pink and pastel shades aimed at girls with lots of glitter and slogans such as 'Mummy's pretty princess' and 'Born to be a cutie' on t-shirts, girls may grow up to think that having ambitions to become a scientist or even to have a career is not for them. Little princesses do not work do they? They wait for their handsome prince to come along and look after them for life and live happily ever after. I thought we had begun to make significant changes in the 1960s and 1970s but we appear to be going backwards with all this pink for girls and only pink nonsense.
Many of the comments above mention that there are more pressing and urgent issues in the world and of course in our city. I would agree, but if bikes, toys and clothing is predominantly pink and pastel shades aimed at girls with lots of glitter and slogans such as 'Mummy's pretty princess' and 'Born to be a cutie' on t-shirts, girls may grow up to think that having ambitions to become a scientist or even to have a career is not for them. Little princesses do not work do they? They wait for their handsome prince to come along and look after them for life and live happily ever after. I thought we had begun to make significant changes in the 1960s and 1970s but we appear to be going backwards with all this pink for girls and only pink nonsense. davenachfan
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9:41am Mon 26 Nov 12

Oooh err says...

I can't believe how many people on here misjudge the opinion of people in Brighton & Hove. Clearly Sven is on to something with this and is supported by the majority. Very few pink bikes have or will be sold to girls and even fewer blue bikes have or will be sold to boys. If you don't believe me just look at any of the myriad of expensive cycle lanes that desecrate our city and see how many pink or blue cycles are on them.
Thinking about it further, how many bikes of any colour can you see on them?
I can't believe how many people on here misjudge the opinion of people in Brighton & Hove. Clearly Sven is on to something with this and is supported by the majority. Very few pink bikes have or will be sold to girls and even fewer blue bikes have or will be sold to boys. If you don't believe me just look at any of the myriad of expensive cycle lanes that desecrate our city and see how many pink or blue cycles are on them. Thinking about it further, how many bikes of any colour can you see on them? Oooh err
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10:55am Mon 26 Nov 12

fredflintstone1 says...

Why is Sven using the term 'fairies' in such a sexist way? Are there not male fairies too? Perhaps he will explain?

Methinks the Greens should convene an investigation into his beliefs, and suspend him from the party. His views are unacceptable in any modern, enlightened democratic party.
Why is Sven using the term 'fairies' in such a sexist way? Are there not male fairies too? Perhaps he will explain? Methinks the Greens should convene an investigation into his beliefs, and suspend him from the party. His views are unacceptable in any modern, enlightened democratic party. fredflintstone1
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11:54am Mon 26 Nov 12

vogon1 says...

When did the Monster Raving Looney Party change their name to the Green Party? It must have passed me by.
When did the Monster Raving Looney Party change their name to the Green Party? It must have passed me by. vogon1
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12:31pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

What a prat.Greenies go away and leave us alone.We dont want you to make our city worse than you have already made it.
What a prat.Greenies go away and leave us alone.We dont want you to make our city worse than you have already made it. Joshiman
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12:53pm Mon 26 Nov 12

TheDrive says...

I think the councillor makes a valid comment, which surely he has every right to do without a ton of people losing their heads over it. Or are we not allowed to have opinions any more?
I have two little girls and I don't want them to be forced to behave like princesses, or otherwise. I want them to like whatever they want and if that's riding an Action Man bike and climbing a tree, then good for them. Or if they want to be a princess, then that's just as fine too. I believe that is all the councillor is trying to put across - that nobody should be forced into stereotypes. They have a right to make up their own minds.

Why are people so upset about his hair? I'm a short back and sides man myself, but if he wants long hair and to look mildly silly then I don't really lose any sleep about it. I bet nobody would feel the need to make comments if he had an afro?

I'm not a Green Party voter myself and I don't agree with many of their policies. But, whether you like their policies or not, they are the only people who are prepared to state their principals and work to them even in the face of some pretty unpleasant response, and for that they deserve credit. The rest of the political spectrum are either sitting on the fence or on a gravy train.
I think the councillor makes a valid comment, which surely he has every right to do without a ton of people losing their heads over it. Or are we not allowed to have opinions any more? I have two little girls and I don't want them to be forced to behave like princesses, or otherwise. I want them to like whatever they want and if that's riding an Action Man bike and climbing a tree, then good for them. Or if they want to be a princess, then that's just as fine too. I believe that is all the councillor is trying to put across - that nobody should be forced into stereotypes. They have a right to make up their own minds. Why are people so upset about his hair? I'm a short back and sides man myself, but if he wants long hair and to look mildly silly then I don't really lose any sleep about it. I bet nobody would feel the need to make comments if he had an afro? I'm not a Green Party voter myself and I don't agree with many of their policies. But, whether you like their policies or not, they are the only people who are prepared to state their principals and work to them even in the face of some pretty unpleasant response, and for that they deserve credit. The rest of the political spectrum are either sitting on the fence or on a gravy train. TheDrive
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2:05pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

Brilliant! I'm already looking forward to whatever tomorrow's wacky anti-Greens headline will be. But come on Greens, at least make them work for it, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Brilliant! I'm already looking forward to whatever tomorrow's wacky anti-Greens headline will be. But come on Greens, at least make them work for it, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. Fairfax Sakes
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2:39pm Mon 26 Nov 12

tooned_in says...

Complete nonsense the whole article, there are plenty of colourful bikes and the reason being is we all have a favourite colour.....so what if a boy wants the pink one of a girl chooses a green one seriously, I suppose if i brought my niece a blue one I'd be telling her its the colour of water and she is expected to do the washing up, or a orange one that hapens to be the same colour of the hooover??? get real you loser
Complete nonsense the whole article, there are plenty of colourful bikes and the reason being is we all have a favourite colour.....so what if a boy wants the pink one of a girl chooses a green one seriously, I suppose if i brought my niece a blue one I'd be telling her its the colour of water and she is expected to do the washing up, or a orange one that hapens to be the same colour of the hooover??? get real you loser tooned_in
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4:15pm Mon 26 Nov 12

vogon1 says...

I think the point here is that our green councilors have far bigger issues to worry about in this city, than the colour of a bicycle and whether we citizens should be addressed as Mr/ Mrs/ Ms/Other

I would say, of far more concern, is the problem of extotionate parking prices, travellers that don't travel, street violence, the dodgy refuse service etc.

The council is here to run our services-not tell us how to think.
This political correct nonsense is out of control.

It's safe to say you'll be out of power at the first opportunity Mr Rufus
I think the point here is that our green councilors have far bigger issues to worry about in this city, than the colour of a bicycle and whether we citizens should be addressed as Mr/ Mrs/ Ms/Other I would say, of far more concern, is the problem of extotionate parking prices, travellers that don't travel, street violence, the dodgy refuse service etc. The council is here to run our services-not tell us how to think. This political correct nonsense is out of control. It's safe to say you'll be out of power at the first opportunity Mr Rufus vogon1
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4:16pm Mon 26 Nov 12

vogon1 says...

I think the point here is that our green councilors have far bigger issues to worry about in this city, than the colour of a bicycle and whether we citizens should be addressed as Mr/ Mrs/ Ms/Other

I would say, of far more concern, is the problem of extotionate parking prices, travellers that don't travel, street violence, the dodgy refuse service etc.

The council is here to run our services-not tell us how to think.
This political correct nonsense is out of control.

It's safe to say you'll be out of power at the first opportunity Mr Rufus
I think the point here is that our green councilors have far bigger issues to worry about in this city, than the colour of a bicycle and whether we citizens should be addressed as Mr/ Mrs/ Ms/Other I would say, of far more concern, is the problem of extotionate parking prices, travellers that don't travel, street violence, the dodgy refuse service etc. The council is here to run our services-not tell us how to think. This political correct nonsense is out of control. It's safe to say you'll be out of power at the first opportunity Mr Rufus vogon1
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5:50pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Baldseagull says...

“What inflames me as the parent of a daughter is this categorisation of children according to gender."
What worries me is that he thinks his daughter will not be have aspirations because Halfords sell pink bikes.
“What inflames me as the parent of a daughter is this categorisation of children according to gender." What worries me is that he thinks his daughter will not be have aspirations because Halfords sell pink bikes. Baldseagull
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9:47pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan.

Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.
Have you not worked out that if no one wants pink bikes they will not be bought and if they aren't bought either Halfords go bust or they sell other colours that are wanted.

Why do you waste time on this - oh sorry forgot you're a Green sympathiser and, just like the Green Councillors, have lost the plot.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I resent the the insulting colour coding for children. It is like turning the clock back to the dark ages and I worry at the above comments (though I have my sususpicion of a multi-poster at work), no wonder the country is going down the pan. Whether my child likes blue clothing or pink clothing seems to be immaterial, they have no choice due to regimented colour coding by gender. If you have a princess complex then you will no doubt disagree, but I want my child to have choice and whether it is red, pink, blue, purple etc then they will have made the choice and not had it thrust upon them.[/p][/quote]Have you not worked out that if no one wants pink bikes they will not be bought and if they aren't bought either Halfords go bust or they sell other colours that are wanted. Why do you waste time on this - oh sorry forgot you're a Green sympathiser and, just like the Green Councillors, have lost the plot. Idontbelieveit1948
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12:13pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Roger Francais says...

Coun: Rufus

Feck off!
Coun: Rufus Feck off! Roger Francais
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1:00pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Andyman26 says...

Why are so many of you saying "why are you complaining? its you that voted the greens in, in the first place"? I did vote & not for greens & for those that say "your vote will make a difference" My one vote would of made no difference even if I had not voted. & to those that will reply "but every vote counts" well mine didnt so what was the point? I used to get moaned at for not voting & then complaining, Im now voting & still got same complaints. So where does that then leave me? Its a lose, lose situation.
Why are so many of you saying "why are you complaining? its you that voted the greens in, in the first place"? I did vote & not for greens & for those that say "your vote will make a difference" My one vote would of made no difference even if I had not voted. & to those that will reply "but every vote counts" well mine didnt so what was the point? I used to get moaned at for not voting & then complaining, Im now voting & still got same complaints. So where does that then leave me? Its a lose, lose situation. Andyman26
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1:00pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Andyman26 says...

Why are so many of you saying "why are you complaining? its you that voted the greens in, in the first place"? I did vote & not for greens & for those that say "your vote will make a difference" My one vote would of made no difference even if I had not voted. & to those that will reply "but every vote counts" well mine didnt so what was the point? I used to get moaned at for not voting & then complaining, Im now voting & still got same complaints. So where does that then leave me? Its a lose, lose situation.
Why are so many of you saying "why are you complaining? its you that voted the greens in, in the first place"? I did vote & not for greens & for those that say "your vote will make a difference" My one vote would of made no difference even if I had not voted. & to those that will reply "but every vote counts" well mine didnt so what was the point? I used to get moaned at for not voting & then complaining, Im now voting & still got same complaints. So where does that then leave me? Its a lose, lose situation. Andyman26
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2:33pm Tue 27 Nov 12

CaliforniaGirl says...

As a monther, and one who never liked the colour pink, I tried to raise my two girls without gender stereotyping. It did not affect their choice of colour. They both went through 'pink' phases, and they both still like the colour pink.

This man is wasting his time complaining about what really is a not terribly important matter. There is far worse sexism employed in mainstream advertising that probably causes more issues for women and girls than the Halfords issue.
As a monther, and one who never liked the colour pink, I tried to raise my two girls without gender stereotyping. It did not affect their choice of colour. They both went through 'pink' phases, and they both still like the colour pink. This man is wasting his time complaining about what really is a not terribly important matter. There is far worse sexism employed in mainstream advertising that probably causes more issues for women and girls than the Halfords issue. CaliforniaGirl
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7:49pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

A nursery rhyme for our times :-

It really does make you think,
When a councillor causes a stink,
What’s driven dear Sven,
So far round the bend,
Is Halfords selling bikes that are pink.

Get a life Sven
A nursery rhyme for our times :- It really does make you think, When a councillor causes a stink, What’s driven dear Sven, So far round the bend, Is Halfords selling bikes that are pink. Get a life Sven Idontbelieveit1948
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1:58pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Flippin Burghers says...

You're all missing the obvious. Halfords has admitted its bikes are designed by a bunch of gormless kids. How irresponsible is that?
You're all missing the obvious. Halfords has admitted its bikes are designed by a bunch of gormless kids. How irresponsible is that? Flippin Burghers
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10:26pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Unbias says...

Rufus, my taxes pay for you....

Please go do some positive work!

Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster.....

Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?
Rufus, my taxes pay for you.... Please go do some positive work! Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster..... Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts? Unbias
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12:10am Thu 29 Nov 12

davenachfan says...

Unbias wrote:
Rufus, my taxes pay for you....

Please go do some positive work!

Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster.....

Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?
Kids does not need an apostrophe, but I would prefer the word "children".

Giving children toy guns and exposing them to violence will make it more likely that they will grow up to think that violence is the norm and the way to deal with conflict.

I have spent the last 40 years teaching and working with children and young people.
I strongly believe that we should not sell toy guns or give toy weapons to children.
I also believe that toys and clothes should not not be gender specific. It would be much better if girls and boys wore navy blue, brown or red clothes.
[quote][p][bold]Unbias[/bold] wrote: Rufus, my taxes pay for you.... Please go do some positive work! Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster..... Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?[/p][/quote]Kids does not need an apostrophe, but I would prefer the word "children". Giving children toy guns and exposing them to violence will make it more likely that they will grow up to think that violence is the norm and the way to deal with conflict. I have spent the last 40 years teaching and working with children and young people. I strongly believe that we should not sell toy guns or give toy weapons to children. I also believe that toys and clothes should not not be gender specific. It would be much better if girls and boys wore navy blue, brown or red clothes. davenachfan
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12:35pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Algeria Touchshriek says...

I wonder what hate filled day Sven has to day.

People say the BNP are full of hate, but who do they not like apart from immigrants and terrorists?

But the greens hate:

Car drivers
Middle classes
Meat eaters
Home Owners
Law abiding Citizens

Tell me who has more hate?
I wonder what hate filled day Sven has to day. People say the BNP are full of hate, but who do they not like apart from immigrants and terrorists? But the greens hate: Car drivers Middle classes Meat eaters Home Owners Law abiding Citizens Tell me who has more hate? Algeria Touchshriek
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12:51pm Thu 29 Nov 12

reddogs says...

what is wrong with this prat Rufus has he got nothing better to worry about,no wonder this town is going down hill the sooner the bloody so called greens are out the better.Lets get our town back as it should be
what is wrong with this prat Rufus has he got nothing better to worry about,no wonder this town is going down hill the sooner the bloody so called greens are out the better.Lets get our town back as it should be reddogs
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7:40pm Thu 29 Nov 12

jesss2012 says...

Does having a pink bike as a child mean you will never grow up to be a doctor or lawyer or whatever the hell you want to be then? Surely the parents attitude to girl power is more important and if you dont like it..umm is it too obvious an idea to suggest you get your child a different coloured bike from another retailer. Don't get them a GREEN one though or you may be encouraging political bias in adulthood...maybe red or blue isnt a great idea either. Make em all black like henry ford...easy lol
Does having a pink bike as a child mean you will never grow up to be a doctor or lawyer or whatever the hell you want to be then? Surely the parents attitude to girl power is more important and if you dont like it..umm is it too obvious an idea to suggest you get your child a different coloured bike from another retailer. Don't get them a GREEN one though or you may be encouraging political bias in adulthood...maybe red or blue isnt a great idea either. Make em all black like henry ford...easy lol jesss2012
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9:03pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Oooh err says...

davenachfan wrote:
Unbias wrote:
Rufus, my taxes pay for you....

Please go do some positive work!

Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster.....

Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?
Kids does not need an apostrophe, but I would prefer the word "children".

Giving children toy guns and exposing them to violence will make it more likely that they will grow up to think that violence is the norm and the way to deal with conflict.

I have spent the last 40 years teaching and working with children and young people.
I strongly believe that we should not sell toy guns or give toy weapons to children.
I also believe that toys and clothes should not not be gender specific. It would be much better if girls and boys wore navy blue, brown or red clothes.
Am I the only person struggling to work out if this is a wind up?
[quote][p][bold]davenachfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unbias[/bold] wrote: Rufus, my taxes pay for you.... Please go do some positive work! Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster..... Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?[/p][/quote]Kids does not need an apostrophe, but I would prefer the word "children". Giving children toy guns and exposing them to violence will make it more likely that they will grow up to think that violence is the norm and the way to deal with conflict. I have spent the last 40 years teaching and working with children and young people. I strongly believe that we should not sell toy guns or give toy weapons to children. I also believe that toys and clothes should not not be gender specific. It would be much better if girls and boys wore navy blue, brown or red clothes.[/p][/quote]Am I the only person struggling to work out if this is a wind up? Oooh err
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11:06pm Thu 29 Nov 12

mictrix says...

Oooh err wrote:
davenachfan wrote:
Unbias wrote:
Rufus, my taxes pay for you....

Please go do some positive work!

Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster.....

Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?
Kids does not need an apostrophe, but I would prefer the word "children".

Giving children toy guns and exposing them to violence will make it more likely that they will grow up to think that violence is the norm and the way to deal with conflict.

I have spent the last 40 years teaching and working with children and young people.
I strongly believe that we should not sell toy guns or give toy weapons to children.
I also believe that toys and clothes should not not be gender specific. It would be much better if girls and boys wore navy blue, brown or red clothes.
Am I the only person struggling to work out if this is a wind up?
oh don't worry this lunatic is deadly serious...no wonder some kids grow up mixed.unbelievable and unreal
[quote][p][bold]Oooh err[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davenachfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Unbias[/bold] wrote: Rufus, my taxes pay for you.... Please go do some positive work! Kid's are kids...oh wait.......you are right...don't give a kid a gun as they'll end up a gangster..... Jeeze how do these people even get to stand for their posts?[/p][/quote]Kids does not need an apostrophe, but I would prefer the word "children". Giving children toy guns and exposing them to violence will make it more likely that they will grow up to think that violence is the norm and the way to deal with conflict. I have spent the last 40 years teaching and working with children and young people. I strongly believe that we should not sell toy guns or give toy weapons to children. I also believe that toys and clothes should not not be gender specific. It would be much better if girls and boys wore navy blue, brown or red clothes.[/p][/quote]Am I the only person struggling to work out if this is a wind up?[/p][/quote]oh don't worry this lunatic is deadly serious...no wonder some kids grow up mixed.unbelievable and unreal mictrix
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11:54pm Thu 29 Nov 12

davenachfan says...

I am not a lunatic. My comments are not a 'wind up'.
Over the last twenty years, big businesses have colour coded everything for babies and children making many parents think that they need to buy pink or pastel colours for girls.
Open your eyes.

Children are not going to grow up mixed up if they are dressed in dark blue, brown or red. They may grow up with an open mind and not think they are going to be a princess, who is looked after for ever, by a prince.
I am not a lunatic. My comments are not a 'wind up'. Over the last twenty years, big businesses have colour coded everything for babies and children making many parents think that they need to buy pink or pastel colours for girls. Open your eyes. Children are not going to grow up mixed up if they are dressed in dark blue, brown or red. They may grow up with an open mind and not think they are going to be a princess, who is looked after for ever, by a prince. davenachfan
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12:11am Fri 30 Nov 12

acidsmile9 says...

Why don't we all club together and buy him a bright pink bike with handlebar tassels. He should prove his point that it's not gender-specific by agreeing to ride it for 1 calendar year. My bet is that that he wouldn't have the guts to agree to it! :)
Why don't we all club together and buy him a bright pink bike with handlebar tassels. He should prove his point that it's not gender-specific by agreeing to ride it for 1 calendar year. My bet is that that he wouldn't have the guts to agree to it! :) acidsmile9
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9:15am Fri 30 Nov 12

Oooh err says...

davenachfan wrote:
I am not a lunatic. My comments are not a 'wind up'.
Over the last twenty years, big businesses have colour coded everything for babies and children making many parents think that they need to buy pink or pastel colours for girls.
Open your eyes.

Children are not going to grow up mixed up if they are dressed in dark blue, brown or red. They may grow up with an open mind and not think they are going to be a princess, who is looked after for ever, by a prince.
I have no need to open my eyes. My partner and I both work with children in very different capacities and I agree they will not be mixed up if they wear blue, brown or red. However nor will they be mixed up if they ride a pink or blue bike. The biggest single influence on a child is the parental one, good or bad. If you don't buy boys toy guns as you suggest, they will use sticks as guns instead. It is what we did 50 years ago and none of my friends have ever killed anyone. My own children have, as they grew up, played with toys for boys and girls, as teenagers they now play computer games. My daughter and son often play the same game whether it is a game supposedly for boys or girls. They are in fact well balanced children.
Isn't it time people stopped blaming Halfords, toy guns, the media et al for how their children turn out?
What is a real concern is not the colour of bikes but the creeping influence a small minority who promote gender neutrality in our schools and education system because it it suits their idealogy rather than accepting what most people know to be fact; boys and girls are inheritently different from conception onwards.
[quote][p][bold]davenachfan[/bold] wrote: I am not a lunatic. My comments are not a 'wind up'. Over the last twenty years, big businesses have colour coded everything for babies and children making many parents think that they need to buy pink or pastel colours for girls. Open your eyes. Children are not going to grow up mixed up if they are dressed in dark blue, brown or red. They may grow up with an open mind and not think they are going to be a princess, who is looked after for ever, by a prince.[/p][/quote]I have no need to open my eyes. My partner and I both work with children in very different capacities and I agree they will not be mixed up if they wear blue, brown or red. However nor will they be mixed up if they ride a pink or blue bike. The biggest single influence on a child is the parental one, good or bad. If you don't buy boys toy guns as you suggest, they will use sticks as guns instead. It is what we did 50 years ago and none of my friends have ever killed anyone. My own children have, as they grew up, played with toys for boys and girls, as teenagers they now play computer games. My daughter and son often play the same game whether it is a game supposedly for boys or girls. They are in fact well balanced children. Isn't it time people stopped blaming Halfords, toy guns, the media et al for how their children turn out? What is a real concern is not the colour of bikes but the creeping influence a small minority who promote gender neutrality in our schools and education system because it it suits their idealogy rather than accepting what most people know to be fact; boys and girls are inheritently different from conception onwards. Oooh err
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9:21am Fri 30 Nov 12

Oooh err says...

Just as an aside, how long before someone complains to Apple that they are promoting a racist agenda by only selling the Iphone in black or white?
Just as an aside, how long before someone complains to Apple that they are promoting a racist agenda by only selling the Iphone in black or white? Oooh err
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